January 14, 2017 
< | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23 | 24 | 25 | 26 | 27 | 28 | 29 | 30 | 31 | >
January 14, 2017 [00:02:26] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!vision@181.47.131.175> has joined #haiku[00:03:00] *** HaikuUser is now known as _Dario_x64[00:03:34] <Vidrep> Now you're 64 bit _Dario? :)[00:04:00] <_Dario_x64> :-D[00:04:13] <_Dario_x64> I'm trying the x64 build[00:04:25] <Vidrep> Me too. Today I'm Vidrep_x64[00:04:38] <_Dario_x64> but my mind is about 8 bit, barely :-P[00:05:12] *** Duggan is now known as Duggan_x64[00:05:13] <Vidrep> Have you used 64 bit very much lately?[00:05:26] <Duggan_x64> all the time :P[00:05:40] <_Dario_x64> not really[00:05:49] *** Duggan_x64 is now known as Duggan[00:06:19] <Vidrep> You'll find that it handles HD video much better then x86_gcc2[00:07:01] <_Dario_x64> nice![00:07:30] <Vidrep> Once PulkoMandy fixes some of the remaining bugs, it will be a nice platform for audio/video[00:08:11] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: mostly because of newer FFmpeg :p[00:08:30] <Vidrep> x86_gcc2 MediaPlayer is still using the older 0.10.16 ffmpeg[00:08:32] <waddlesplash> and better asm integration (had to disable that, incompatible with gcc2 stack alignment iirc)[00:08:33] <waddlesplash> right[00:09:37] <Vidrep> I've tried several 4k UHD test clips on 64 bit, and it handles them fairly well. x86_gcc2 totally chokes[00:11:11] <_Dario_x64> I'm trying to compile some of my ports that already did in gcc2 version[00:11:25] <Vidrep> You need a core i5 minimum for those kind of 4k UHD videos[00:12:10] <Vidrep> _Dario_x64, nice. 64 bit needs more apps[00:12:26] <waddlesplash> meanwhile, Windows' built in media decoders can't do a 1080p24 MP4 file at fullspeed on an i3[00:12:34] <waddlesplash> it's really hilarious[00:12:45] <waddlesplash> (GPU accelerated decoding works just fine but that's beside the point)[00:12:54] <Duggan> I still have no audio :'([00:13:06] <waddlesplash> Duggan: check syslog?[00:13:11] <waddlesplash> HDA still has bugz[00:13:15] <Duggan> oh that's right, I downgraded back to 50800 :P[00:13:25] <Duggan> waddlesplash not yet[00:14:03] <Vidrep> There's still several unresolved bugs in 64 bit. Once fixed, I'll probably switch over permanently[00:14:40] <Duggan> waddlesplash no, it's just complaining about USB hubs not being in an overcurrent state[00:14:52] <waddlesplash> lol[00:14:57] <waddlesplash> syslog.old?[00:15:22] <Duggan> both[00:15:34] <Duggan> it's still growing at least as I play a video[00:15:45] <Duggan> nope, still growing[00:16:17] <Duggan> yep, even shut cortex down, so it's not related to that[00:16:34] <Vidrep> XHCI. Similar to the AHCI port reset bug we had before.[00:17:08] <Duggan> well we still have it apparently :P or at least did in hrev50800[00:17:50] <Vidrep> You have USB3. I see the same thing on my other PC too.[00:18:02] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has joined #haiku[00:18:42] <Duggan> yearp... you'd think Haiku would disable it or at least ignore it if it isn't supported :/[00:19:16] <Duggan> downloading a new nightly (I don't trust my builds just yet, especially after what happened last time :P )[00:19:18] <Vidrep> It's sort of, kind of supported YMMV[00:20:03] *** cucujoidea <cucujoidea!5439cdc7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.57.205.199> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[00:20:03] <Duggan> then again, what happened last time was all PulkoMandy's fault :P[00:21:36] <Vidrep> It's still not too clear to me what half-implemented features will be included in Beta 1. i.e. USB3, UEFI, Intel Extreme. Will we make a push to complete these before Beta???[00:21:49] *** pdziepak <pdziepak!~pdziepak@188.172.154.225> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:22:02] <DHowett> Vidrep: like, which machines/versions[00:22:10] <DHowett> Vidrep: like, which machines/versions? or build setup :P[00:22:32] <DHowett> sorry, fatfingered the enter key[00:22:40] *** xemdetia_ <xemdetia_!xemdetia@nat/ibm/x-deakxegyhmjetbmr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:22:45] <DHowett> having a gauzed fingertip makes it difficult to type like a civilized person :P[00:23:09] <Vidrep> DHowett, you said you had UEFI boot working on one PC, if I understood you correctly[00:23:39] <Vidrep> How do you have your disk partitioned? How big a disk?[00:23:56] <DHowett> ah, yes. it's an asrock e350m1 (AMD), UEFI 2.x, booting off usb wiith a minimal image (100mb for ESP, 300MB for the image) copied to it[00:24:00] <DHowett> USB 2.0[00:24:18] <DHowett> it has no permanent storage since it's one of my test/network boot machines[00:24:30] <Vidrep> OK[00:24:45] <Duggan> Vidrep as far as I know, there's no ongoing work on intel_extreme, is there?[00:25:32] <DHowett> the ones that failed failed on the same USB stick, but got to various points.[00:25:51] <Vidrep> There was some work on Intel Extreme, but only for chipsets in certain devs laptops[00:25:56] <DHowett> my bootx64 is the shell and i was just execing the haiku bootloader. two macs wouldn't even touch it[00:26:04] <DHowett> (like: no onscreen at all)[00:26:10] <DHowett> (even in shell)[00:26:42] <DHowett> legitimate guess: the standard mac efi boot menu doesn't like switching to text mode, so i should use refind[00:28:01] <Duggan> Vidrep intel_extreme is "done" as far as I know except some bug fixes maybe[00:28:08] <Vidrep> DHowett, I have a 3TB HD with 4 equal sized GPT partitions. The only way to boot the last partition is from the 64 bit install CD.[00:29:15] <Vidrep> Duggan, there isn't any support yet for several Intel graphics chipsets, such as any of the HDxxxx[00:35:08] *** KapiX <KapiX!~kacper@89-65-138-76.dynamic.chello.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: KapiX)[00:35:16] <Vidrep> There isn't any support yet for Intel Q57, Q67, Q77 Express either[00:36:26] <Vidrep> DHowett, I was just wondering if something had changed in the UEFI bootloader, but it appears you have a different setup[00:36:39] <Vidrep> Thanks for the reply[00:40:14] <_Dario_x64> compilation sucessful. At least, we have one more app for x64 :-)[00:43:01] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[00:54:35] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-msojiphcaicgpfvp> has joined #haiku[00:55:15] <Duggan> whatever happened to darkwyrm?[00:57:20] <waddlesplash> oh, he left, a long time ago[00:57:37] <waddlesplash> more or less before I was around (that was 2012-ish)[00:57:52] <Duggan> what do you mean "left"?[00:58:04] <Duggan> like I did? or did he get pissed and say he's never coming back or something?[00:58:09] <waddlesplash> I think he ran out of time to contribute[00:58:24] <waddlesplash> I don't know exactly how, I wasn't there, and I haven't read the mailing list archives[00:58:30] <waddlesplash> I don't know how you left either :-P[00:58:51] <Duggan> hrm... I disappeared :P got a job and then computer rotted and new one had EFI before it was supported[00:59:19] <Duggan> I still checked in every rare once in a while[01:03:16] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[01:04:57] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-msojiphcaicgpfvp> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[01:06:58] <Duggan> how about Urias, how's he been?[01:10:16] <AlienSoldier> i think haiku developper get UV damaged, they should never let them out of the axeld basement.[01:12:15] <ryoshu> hi[01:12:38] <ryoshu> waddlesplash: I have coined a name for my research[01:12:43] <waddlesplash> oh?[01:12:49] <waddlesplash> AlienSoldier: LOL[01:13:59] <ryoshu> ... but I will keep it secret for now, porting sources from kits isn't that hard so far[01:14:09] <ryoshu> ok back to work[01:14:15] <waddlesplash> lol[01:16:13] <Duggan> let me guess... Qt? they already did that :P[01:20:29] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, since you're the recipe guru...[01:21:56] <Vidrep> ...is there a chance (please :) ) you could have a look at PhotoGrabber, and see why the plug-ins do not build on 64 bit.[01:23:12] <Vidrep> The app itself builds OK, but some of the plug-ins do not. I use this app all the time when taking photos of KDL's etc.[01:24:04] <Vidrep> Besides, we need more working apps on 64 bit anyhow. Thanks! (in advance)[01:26:50] <Duggan> lol Vidrep, way to throw a guy under the bus :P[01:29:05] <Vidrep> Duggan, oh c'mon :D[01:29:26] <Duggan> lol[01:31:35] <Vidrep> Duggan, at least I said "please" and "thanks". I didn't just make a demand[01:32:14] <Vidrep> I've seen that enough times[01:33:44] <Duggan> you threw him under the bus passive-agressively :P[01:34:02] <Vidrep> Duggan, No![01:34:23] <Vidrep> Now you're trying to make me feel guilty :)[01:34:49] <Duggan> I'm not trying to, you did that yourself :P[01:36:21] <Vidrep> It sounds like I'm talking to "humdinger B"[01:36:26] <Vidrep> LOL[01:36:31] <Duggan> lol[01:37:17] <Duggan> hey, don't put humdinger down like that :P[01:37:42] <Duggan> man, first you throw one guy under the bus, then you start making fun of another one.... who let you in here anyway? :P[01:41:16] <Vidrep> OMG[01:41:56] <Vidrep> Poor jessicah has to talk to you every night[01:43:10] <Duggan> that implied so many things that just aren't true...[01:49:04] *** Barrett_ <Barrett_!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[01:49:04] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett_[01:49:48] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[01:50:29] <Duggan> Vidrep she's in NZ, I'm in Mississippi.... you make it sound like we're a thing :P[01:52:36] <Vidrep> You're leaving me speechless...[01:55:05] <Duggan> I have that affect on people...[01:57:09] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has joined #haiku[01:58:39] <Vidrep> Hi Stephanie[01:58:46] <Stephanie> Hi Vidrep![01:59:10] <Vidrep> You've decided to stick around after GCI?[02:00:52] <Stephanie> There are still a few days left in GCI. I would like to stick around a bit to help after GCI, but idk if I would actually be of help :P[02:01:13] <Vidrep> Of course you can be of help![02:02:04] <Stephanie> I'll try my best to help with what I can[02:02:15] <Vidrep> Continue the learning process for yourself, while contributing to the project.[02:03:04] <Duggan> Stephanie you can stick around as long as you like :)[02:03:20] <Stephanie> Thanks you guys are awesome :D[02:03:21] <Duggan> just don't talk to Vidrep, he likes causing trouble[02:03:28] <Stephanie> XD[02:03:32] <Duggan> ;)[02:04:28] <Vidrep> waddlesplash started out like you, and now he's a dev with commit privileges[02:04:58] <Stephanie> one day...[02:04:59] <Stephanie> lol[02:05:11] <Duggan> everybody's a n00b at first :P[02:05:31] <Vidrep> I'm still a noob[02:05:37] <Duggan> you can say that again...[02:06:50] <Vidrep> Where's that big red button...[02:06:51] *** scottmc <scottmc!~scottmc@c-67-174-194-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[02:06:54] <Duggan> lol[02:06:59] <_Dario_x64> hi Vidrep[02:07:10] <_Dario_x64> I managed to port this app: http://schismtracker.org/[02:07:28] <_Dario_x64> both x86 and x86_64[02:07:54] <Vidrep> SDL[02:08:21] <Duggan> oh bloody hell! IT is still around!?[02:08:34] <Duggan> I'd so get that if I had sound :'([02:08:50] <_Dario_x64> soon will be at Clasqm repo[02:09:08] <waddlesplash> Stephanie: Vidrep: Yes, I now have commit privileges! The power is all mine! Muahahaha![02:09:08] *** scottmc <scottmc!~scottmc@c-67-174-194-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[02:09:24] <_Dario_x64> I send him all the apps that I managed to port to Haiku[02:09:28] <waddlesplash> Although I was a layout guru before that happened. :)[02:09:40] <waddlesplash> and now I'm the website guru, too[02:09:49] <Stephanie> lol[02:09:50] * waddlesplash wonders how many guru hats he'll acquire[02:09:54] <Stephanie> One day I will actually know what is going on[02:10:11] <Vidrep> PhotoGrabber guru LOL[02:10:14] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: PhotoGrabber, you say?[02:10:15] * Duggan hands waddlesplash the "egocentrism guru" hat...[02:10:20] <Duggan> here, waddlesplash, you earned this[02:10:22] <waddlesplash> hm, I might be able to work on that[02:10:33] <waddlesplash> Duggan: Is it egocentrism if it's true? :-P :D[02:10:38] <Duggan> lol[02:10:40] <Stephanie> haha[02:11:01] <waddlesplash> Duggan: the commit that essentially earned me access was the "rewrite Tracker to use layout api" commit[02:11:10] <Duggan> people say I have an ego, no, at least I admit what I *don't* know..... which, admittedly, isn't much (see what I did there?)[02:11:11] <waddlesplash> so, uh, if that doesn't make me a layout guru, I don't know what would :p[02:11:22] <Duggan> lol[02:12:06] <Duggan> I admitted that I admit that there isn't much that I'll admit that I don't know because, I admit, there isn't much I don't know[02:12:23] <waddlesplash> same[02:12:30] <waddlesplash> ... okay, not really[02:12:44] <waddlesplash> I know approximately only slightly more than nothing about driver development[02:12:57] <waddlesplash> I don't know much at all about colorspaces[02:12:58] <Duggan> me too, but at least we admit that[02:13:24] <waddlesplash> I don't know much about BView internals (okay, I don't really want to there)[02:13:31] <Stephanie> What are your guys' jobs besides working on Haiku?[02:13:39] <Duggan> medicine... I have virtually no interest in biology... but I can still talk semi-intelligently about it if i so choose[02:13:44] <waddlesplash> I don't know much about HaikuPorter internals (it's a toxic wasteland)[02:13:52] <Duggan> Stephanie: professional student looking for work[02:13:55] <waddlesplash> Stephanie: college student, presently[02:14:17] <Duggan> first degree was computer science, second was geology, still working on electrical engineering...[02:14:20] <waddlesplash> (yes, I'm only 18) ((yes, that means I started working on Haiku at age 14)[02:14:33] <Duggan> maybe another BS in physics, if not, I'll move straight to a MS in geophysics[02:15:34] <waddlesplash> Duggan: heh, I'm presently in school to get a BA in Mathematics[02:15:36] <Vidrep> Currently unemployed electrical heat trace designer and QC checker in the oil patch[02:16:00] <Duggan> Vidrep you know anybody hiring developers?[02:16:05] <Stephanie> What resources do you read to understand Haiku? I've read the haikuports wiki (didn't understand much of it), googled more than ten handfuls of terms, etc. but still am... quite confused.[02:16:07] *** ignacio is now known as DevThree[02:16:12] *** DevThree is now known as ignacio[02:16:22] <Duggan> Stephanie, first download and build the haiku repo[02:16:23] <waddlesplash> Stephanie: Ask some questions and we can go from there. :)[02:16:42] <Duggan> Stephanie then start studying the BeBook and take a simple program and try to figure out how it works...[02:17:03] <Vidrep> Stephanie, read the BeOS Bible and other related books[02:17:05] <waddlesplash> Duggan: The Be Book is actually subpar compared to our docs these days[02:17:06] <Duggan> then start writing 3rd party applications, or start working in the repo directly, depending on the path you want to take (or both)[02:17:14] <waddlesplash> Duggan: You've been out of the loop too long :p[02:17:22] <Duggan> waddlesplash not entirely, the descriptions in the BeBook I still like more[02:17:25] <Duggan> explanations*[02:17:38] <waddlesplash> idk, I always liked https://api.haiku-os.org/ more[02:17:45] * waddlesplash tends to go for the most formal docs he can get[02:18:10] <Duggan> bebook is organized in a way that gets right to the point of what you want to know without too little or too much information and explains it in a way that is actionable[02:18:30] <Duggan> frankly, it's the best API docs I've ever seen[02:18:32] <Stephanie> Ah there we go[02:18:33] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[02:19:05] <Vidrep> Programming the Be Operating System[02:19:08] <Duggan> waddlesplash and yes, I've been peeking at the haikubook too, but it's still not prefferable to me[02:19:15] * scottmc still have his dead tree versions of the two bebooks[02:19:19] <Stephanie> Yay now I can understand "slightly more than nothing"[02:19:22] <Duggan> Vidrep yes, good one[02:19:36] <Duggan> scottmc I want one![02:19:54] <Vidrep> Here's a link to PulkoMandy's archive of BeOS books: http://pulkomandy.tk/~beosarchive/unsorted/www.emupt.com/beos/media/books/[02:20:37] <Stephanie> Thanks guys :D[02:20:45] <scottmc> Duggan, check amazon, or ebay, you'll sometimes see them listed[02:20:48] <Duggan> that's what we're here for :)[02:21:30] <Duggan> Stephanie native application development seems daunting at first, but the more you work with it, the easier it gets[02:21:39] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: did you take a poke at the new website yet?[02:21:56] <scottmc> BeOS bible on amazon for $0.60, you'll pay shipping of course[02:22:01] <Vidrep> New? as of when?[02:22:35] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: https://haiku.netlify.com/ is the beta -- it'll launch as the actual site in a few days hopefully[02:23:08] <scottmc> Programming the Be Operating System, Dan Sydow's book, $0.08 on amazon. I have that one somewhere too. I contacted him years ago and got him to release it as a free pdf[02:23:24] <Stephanie> Is this the correct one? http://birdhouse.org/beos/bible/bos/BeOS.hardware.PDF[02:23:37] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: Looks quite similar, but it's *radically* different under the hood - no more Drupal, totally static site generated by Hugo, page layouts done by Bootstrap so it automatically relayouts on mobile devices.[02:23:44] *** pixdamix <pixdamix!~pix@unaffiliated/pixdamix> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1)[02:23:50] <Duggan> out of curiosity (and I asked earlier), when was the last time anybody heard from DarkWyrm?[02:24:17] <waddlesplash> Duggan: he last committed 2010 https://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=884384ff79a70d3dd8e409dc4251fcf682e58822[02:24:25] <scottmc> oh cool. i did not recall the beos bible being on pdf free.[02:24:26] <Duggan> Stephanie also, check out DarkWyrm's tutorials :)[02:24:46] <Duggan> is there any known current way to get in touch with him?[02:24:47] <scottmc> i herd from him just a few weeks ago, he's busy with real life.[02:25:18] <Duggan> awesome... how's his hands?[02:25:29] <scottmc> i try every year to convinces him to be a mentor, even if just for his programming books tasks.[02:25:46] <Duggan> he needs to come back :([02:25:51] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, looks good[02:26:12] <scottmc> Be Advances Topics on amazon for 2.78, thats the second part of the BeBooks[02:27:00] <Duggan> scottmc if you can, can you ask him if he'd have a problem with somebody using the Paladin name in another project? I'm planning on working on an IDE after I get done with this server and I think Paladin+ would be appropriate, but I don't want to step on his copyright[02:27:39] <scottmc> Why don't you just extend Paladin, he open sourced it[02:27:59] <Duggan> too many changes.... it couldn't even be considered an extention[02:28:05] <scottmc> his email address is out there, he usually responds after a few days[02:28:15] <Duggan> I haven't seen it[02:28:46] <waddlesplash> Duggan: https://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=884384ff79a70d3dd8e409dc4251fcf682e58822[02:28:51] <waddlesplash> Duggan: there's an email there :p[02:29:07] <_Dario_x64> Stephanie: this is the book that you are looking for? http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/beosprog/book/[02:29:27] <Duggan> google sucks :P[02:29:39] <Stephanie> Cool thanks _Dario_x64[02:29:44] <Stephanie> So many resources now[02:29:45] <Duggan> I spent an hour googling him looking for an email or something and I never came across a thing[02:30:41] <Vidrep> Stephanie, I have most of these books available as PDF's...somewhere[02:30:45] <Duggan> thanks, I'll wait to contact him until I'm closer to starting that project.... in the meantime, Paladin+ (c) 2017 by me (pending his approval)[02:30:46] <DHowett> apex of coolness: my only usable USB serial configuration is a single FTDI cable since i don't have a second[02:30:47] <scottmc> what we really need is an updated book in the style of DarkWyrms but with lthe newer features covered.[02:30:52] <_Dario_x64> DarkWyrm was the author of the MrPeeps app?[02:30:59] <DHowett> and some dusty old UART bluetooth radio (RN-42) that i bought years ago[02:31:12] <Duggan> _Dario_x64 maybe, DarkWyrm did a *lot*[02:31:15] <DHowett> so i'm getting haiku bootloader messages over bluetooth. woo[02:31:39] <waddlesplash> Duggan: are you at least started from the HaikuArchives Paladin base?[02:32:01] <Duggan> waddlesplash I have another program I have to finish first that will provide an integral part of the functionality that it will use[02:32:17] <waddlesplash> Duggan: https://github.com/HaikuArchives/Paladin -- has quite a lot of fixes over past versions[02:32:20] <waddlesplash> e.g. some layout usage and stuff[02:32:25] <Duggan> waddlesplash already have the source[02:32:34] <waddlesplash> Duggan: yeah, but is it the HaikuArchives version[02:32:40] <Duggan> yeah, I already have that :P[02:32:43] <waddlesplash> ok. :)[02:32:46] <waddlesplash> DHowett: neat![02:32:51] <Duggan> it's in my Repos directory :P[02:34:12] <DHowett> so it lists the boot volume just fine in the menu, but when it's enumerating the partitions it found it only lists the main hard drive[02:34:18] <DHowett> meh, usb :P[02:34:46] <scottmc> Stephanie BrainWash compiles with the latest fixes, but it crashes when you run it. ;)[02:36:02] <Stephanie> Awesome, just saw the changes[02:36:58] <scottmc> more eyes helped[02:44:34] <mmu_man> zz[02:45:37] <Stephanie> Could someone help with the neonlights recipe? The source code is not getting copied to the work directory, but it seems like the url is correct :/ http://sprunge.us/TgLV[02:46:31] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±7] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/418c9b9a60f9...068e68d70b47[02:46:32] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash bea3666 - layouts: Hide <meta description> on pages where it's empty.[02:46:34] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 068e68d - layouts: Reorganize how <body> tags are generated.[02:46:52] <waddlesplash> now THAT was a major amateur-hour bug on my part[02:48:26] <Vidrep> dinner time[02:48:41] <Vidrep> Duggan, it was a slice :)[02:49:01] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[02:50:55] <_Dario_x64> I'm going to sleep[02:55:29] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[02:56:13] *** _Dario_x64 <_Dario_x64!vision@181.47.131.175> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[02:56:53] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has joined #haiku[02:57:12] *** pixdamix <pixdamix!~pix@unaffiliated/pixdamix> has joined #haiku[03:02:51] *** pixdamix <pixdamix!~pix@unaffiliated/pixdamix> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[03:05:02] *** pixdamix <pixdamix!~pix@unaffiliated/pixdamix> has joined #haiku[03:05:13] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-rmwpormjbvdryjdr> has joined #haiku[03:05:41] *** rennj <rennj!~rennj@host-69-146-167-35.static.bresnan.net> has joined #haiku[03:11:31] *** Barrett_ <Barrett_!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[03:14:08] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[03:31:39] *** mvfranz <mvfranz!~mvfranz@cpe-74-71-4-178.nyc.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: mvfranz)[03:34:38] *** mvfranz <mvfranz!~mvfranz@cpe-74-71-4-178.nyc.res.rr.com> has joined #haiku[03:34:51] *** mvfranz <mvfranz!~mvfranz@cpe-74-71-4-178.nyc.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[03:39:40] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:186a:e60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:44:56] *** Nach0z <Nach0z!~nach0z@unaffiliated/nach0z> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[03:46:37] *** Nach0z <Nach0z!~nach0z@unaffiliated/nach0z> has joined #haiku[03:56:07] *** scottmc <scottmc!~scottmc@c-67-174-194-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[03:56:26] *** scottmc <scottmc!~scottmc@c-67-174-194-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[03:59:34] *** punsith <punsith!44834d22@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.68.131.77.34> has joined #haiku[04:00:09] <punsith> hey , hg+http:// means what ?[04:01:45] <scottmc> it means that the source code is using mercurial instead of git or svn or cvs[04:02:25] <scottmc> punsith, why was hexvexed recipe in your pull request?[04:03:51] <punsith> i dont know :( it came then i deleted first PR and deleated the branch two , after that made a PR again but nothing cnange[04:05:55] <punsith> scttmc[04:06:10] <punsith> scottmc[04:08:03] <scottmc> ask on the pull request how to get it to that it isn't added in, someone will who knows git better than i will explain how to fix it[04:10:13] <punsith> scottmc okay I will , and also a lot of recipes in x86_64 are stop building saying some file is misssing (like workfile) but it actually exist in that parth[04:11:44] <scottmc> there's some issues on x86_64 right now. Something changed in Haiku that broke some things that were working.[04:13:10] <punsith> okay some files faild to download too[04:14:09] *** NeelNarvekar <NeelNarvekar!d8a5e3ce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.165.227.206> has joined #haiku[04:14:33] <NeelNarvekar> hi does anyone know why I can't claim a task anymore? It says the deadline is 9pm PST, I really wanted to get one more task in[04:14:54] <Duggan> scottmc what's broke right now?[04:16:13] <scottmc> whatever was broken yesterday that hasn't been fixed yet. ;)[04:16:47] <Duggan> lol I haven't heard of anything broken yesterday :P are you talking about that thing with PulkoMandy's change? that was fixed apparently[04:18:53] <Duggan> I suppose the least I could do is reboot into the image I downloaded earlier and test it a little[04:18:57] <Duggan> brb[04:19:10] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-46-190.bix.bellsouth.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[04:20:18] <scottmc> punsith should probably update to the latest x86_64 image as well ;)[04:20:34] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@adsl-74-243-46-190.bix.bellsouth.net> has joined #haiku[04:20:44] *** HaikuUser is now known as Duggan|Test[04:21:42] <Duggan|Test> still no audio[04:21:52] <Duggan|Test> Vision works[04:22:23] <scottmc> so you can see but not hear?[04:22:34] <Duggan|Test> yeah, audio hasn't worked for me yet[04:22:47] <Duggan|Test> not since I've been running x86_64 on this machine[04:23:09] <scottmc> mine either. I installed speakers and still nothing. this is on gcc2_hybrid[04:23:12] <Duggan|Test> (which I have to run x86_64 since this machine has EFI, compatibility mode doesn't work either)[04:23:29] <Duggan|Test> and nothing in the syslogs[04:24:29] <punsith> lpe isnt woked yester day on it :/[04:24:37] <punsith> *pe[04:24:57] <Duggan|Test> punsith did you update? I was wrong about what version, apparently the problems I was talking about have been fixed[04:24:58] <scottmc> you need the image that was built since then[04:25:43] <punsith> okay then I wll get it :)[04:25:49] <Duggan|Test> scottmc what multimedia controllers does Devices say you have?[04:26:47] <Duggan|Test> mine reports Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3 and Intel 8 Series/C220[04:26:51] <scottmc> Device name: RV710/730 HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 4000 series][04:26:52] <scottmc> Manufacturer: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI][04:27:05] <scottmc> and[04:27:10] <scottmc> Device name: 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller[04:27:10] <scottmc> Manufacturer: Intel Corporation[04:27:47] <Duggan|Test> scottmc ok, so I guess it's not a driver problem[04:27:55] <Duggan|Test> but apparently it works for some people[04:29:02] <punsith> i am going to update haiku again and , after that chack thous brocken recepies again to see if they work again[04:29:10] <Duggan|Test> youtube crashes the add-on server, not sure if that's relevant[04:30:37] <Duggan|Test> restarted media services and now nothing works... video doesn't play and it doesn't even act like it's playing anything[04:31:48] <Duggan|Test> and HD Audio Output has sliders for "Left Headphones", "Left Rear", "<NULL>", "<NULL>", and "<NULL>"[04:35:15] *** rednul <rednul!~rednul@219.163.48.199.static.reverse.as19531.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[04:35:15] <Duggan|Test> btw, the 8 Series/C220 also shows up as the communications controller, the mass storage controller, and probably a few others too[04:35:16] *** rednul_ <rednul_!~rednul@219.163.48.199.static.reverse.as19531.net> has joined #haiku[04:35:59] <Duggan|Test> ich10 is an io controller hub[04:37:02] <Duggan|Test> 8 series/c220 is a platform controller hub...[04:38:28] <scottmc> in Detailed tab i see this, Driver Used "Not Implemented"[04:38:48] <Duggan|Test> mine too, for both[04:39:31] <Duggan|Test> says same thing for my network controller too, so probably not reliable... I hear Devices is crap these days[04:40:23] <Duggan|Test> for Computer, the detailed tab should have the results for IsComputerOn() and IsComputerOnFire()[04:41:07] <Duggan|Test> scottmc does your computer have that beats audio bs?[04:41:37] <scottmc> no this pc it 7-8 years old i think[04:41:43] <Duggan|Test> ah ok[04:42:27] <Duggan|Test> aaaaaah[04:42:43] <Duggan|Test> the reason it stopped doing anything was because I still had an instance of mediaplayer running[04:42:50] <Duggan|Test> still no audio[04:44:54] <Duggan|Test> oh well, back to the main partition... brb[04:44:59] *** Duggan|Test <Duggan|Test!~vision@adsl-74-243-46-190.bix.bellsouth.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[04:46:09] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 2 commits to master [+2/-1/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/068e68d70b47...170dbdc4f165[04:46:11] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 3d714c8 - guides/building/configure: Rename to HTML.[04:46:12] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 170dbdc - shijin4: Fix list styling.[04:46:22] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-46-190.bix.bellsouth.net> has joined #haiku[05:05:05] <Duggan> uh oh, somebody else cloned my program :D that's 3![05:05:17] <Duggan> s/program/repo[05:18:01] *** rennj <rennj!~rennj@host-69-146-167-35.static.bresnan.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[05:20:42] *** rennj <rennj!~rennj@host-69-146-167-35.static.bresnan.net> has joined #haiku[05:21:07] *** rennj <rennj!~rennj@host-69-146-167-35.static.bresnan.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[05:22:25] *** rennj <rennj!~rennj@host-69-146-167-35.static.bresnan.net> has joined #haiku[05:22:39] *** rennj <rennj!~rennj@host-69-146-167-35.static.bresnan.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[05:39:47] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-1/±5] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/170dbdc4f165...052555337ee8[05:39:49] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 9d74249 - Disable the (useless) sitemap.[05:39:50] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 0525553 - config: Add a "BuildTypeIsDeploy" flag, disable breadcrumbs when it's false.[05:47:27] *** rennj <rennj!~rennj@host-69-146-167-35.static.bresnan.net> has joined #haiku[05:48:15] *** rennj <rennj!~rennj@host-69-146-167-35.static.bresnan.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[05:50:29] *** rennj <rennj!~rennj@host-69-146-167-35.static.bresnan.net> has joined #haiku[05:50:42] *** rennj <rennj!~rennj@host-69-146-167-35.static.bresnan.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[05:52:00] *** rennj <rennj!~rennj@host-69-146-167-35.static.bresnan.net> has joined #haiku[05:55:39] <ohnx> Duggan: what were you testing?[05:59:42] *** rennj <rennj!~rennj@host-69-146-167-35.static.bresnan.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[06:01:03] *** rennj <rennj!~rennj@host-69-146-167-35.static.bresnan.net> has joined #haiku[06:02:32] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jskipp@75-172-57-153.tukw.qwest.net> has joined #haiku[06:02:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[06:05:19] *** rennj <rennj!~rennj@host-69-146-167-35.static.bresnan.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[06:09:14] *** rennj <rennj!~rennj@host-69-146-167-35.static.bresnan.net> has joined #haiku[06:10:09] *** rennj <rennj!~rennj@host-69-146-167-35.static.bresnan.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[06:16:50] *** NeelNarvekar <NeelNarvekar!d8a5e3ce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.165.227.206> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[06:17:16] *** tresh <tresh!~vision@92.188.49.69> has joined #haiku[06:23:38] <Duggan> ohnx trying to gather some info on why my audio isn't working[06:23:58] <Duggan> I was testing the latest x86_64 build, it seemed to be working ok[06:24:17] <ohnx> mmm[06:24:30] <ohnx> im trying to see what efi apis are available to send sound while booting[06:25:06] <Duggan> I'm more concerned with sound working after I've booted, not so much during the process :P[06:26:07] <ohnx> haha i want to make something that can do the nyan cat while booting[06:26:17] <ohnx> and doing it outside of bootservices is pretty hard lol[06:26:20] <Duggan> how about no[06:26:38] <ohnx> idk it's fun, i like programming in low-level C/asm[06:28:50] <Duggan> scottmc, I guess I'm going to make a ticket, do you want me to lump yours in with it or do I need to make it specific to x86_64?[06:34:07] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Eating pizza)[06:34:31] <Duggan> what was the program used to take screenshots again?[06:40:10] <Duggan> aaaaand the website's broken...[06:40:39] <ohnx> haiku website?[06:40:43] <ohnx> trac?[06:40:48] <Duggan> haiku[06:40:58] <ohnx> :([06:41:11] <Duggan> tell me if web+ lets you search there[06:41:24] <ohnx> someone who manages server infrastructure[06:41:33] *** tresh <tresh!~vision@92.188.49.69> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[06:43:14] <Duggan> ohnx can you search on the website?[06:44:05] <ohnx> the bar is gray on my phone[06:44:15] <Duggan> ok, so no.... didn't think so[06:44:59] <ohnx> oh yeah trac isnt searching[06:45:29] <Duggan> trac isn't either?[06:45:39] <Duggan> it was just working for me[06:45:41] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has joined #haiku[06:46:18] <Duggan> trac is fine for me[06:46:52] <scottmc> Duggan press printscreen key on keyboard[06:47:03] <Duggan> scottmc thanks[06:47:16] <Duggan> did you want me to include your lack of audio or should I make it specific to myself?[06:48:12] <Duggan> also, scottmc, did you know the website is broken?[06:49:03] <Duggan> meh, I'll mention you in the ticket[06:49:34] <scottmc> just yours. i'll update it with my info after i can do more testing[06:50:15] <ohnx> nvm it loaded[06:50:23] <Duggan> I mentioned you said it didn't work in gcc2 but I didn't have your specs[06:51:09] <Duggan> and what's the command to dump all your device info again?[06:56:23] <scottmc> listdev?[06:56:44] <scottmc> sysinfo?[06:57:16] <Duggan> well damn.... which one do they want? I assum listdev[06:57:23] <Duggan> thanks, scottmc, I can never remember these things[06:57:35] <scottmc> listdev gives info you would likely need[06:59:15] <Duggan> thanks, scottmc :)[06:59:31] <scottmc> i had hopes we'd see improvements to vale's hardware database thing, but no takers on the task[07:04:40] *** Guma <Guma!~Guma@2601:249:301:6a33:79b4:5781:9093:d300> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[07:58:52] *** eschatologist <eschatologist!~chanson@2601:646:8c00:6dca:83b4:fe68:d468:a6ce> has joined #haiku[08:08:25] <Duggan> grrrrrrrrrrr....[08:09:01] <Duggan> so I decide to give in... I decide to look at using clang to parse source files.... and what do I get? I get c++11 support required...[08:09:36] <ohnx> use some tiny c compiler[08:10:30] <Duggan> you got one that compiles c++11 on haiku x86_64?[08:11:27] <Duggan> more importantly, do you have the headers and libraries to interface with the OS?[08:12:34] <Duggan> back to writing my own parser...[08:13:25] *** Skipp_Haiku <Skipp_Haiku!~jskipp@97-113-201-10.tukw.qwest.net> has joined #haiku[08:13:32] <Duggan> hej Skipp_Haiku[08:13:33] <eschatologist> Does Haiku not normally include a C++11 compiler?[08:14:31] *** Skipp_Haiku is now known as Skipp_macOS[08:15:23] <Duggan> no, the source is written against the 98 specification... when Haiku started, it was OpenBeOS which was an open source reimplementation of the Be Operating System... the intention has always been to maintain binary compatibility with the BeOS, hence being stuck with gcc2 for so long... Haiku as a whole, as a result, is stuck with c++98 syntax[08:16:11] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jskipp@75-172-57-153.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[08:16:42] <Duggan> unless there's a way to compile some parts of a program with 98 and some with 11 (and I'm sure there is, but not using the API)[08:16:59] <Duggan> sure, we have compilers that will compile c++11[08:17:36] <Duggan> but because of the history, the libraries and headers are not.... unless there's some way around that that I'm not aware of... which is very possible[08:18:56] *** Skipp_macOS is now known as Skipp_OSX[08:19:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[08:19:13] <Duggan> I wonder if the name mangling changes based on what version of the standard you're using... if not, then it may just be an issue of updating the headers...[08:19:31] <Duggan> of course it's never that simple...[08:22:02] <Duggan> jessicah what parts of all of that (besides "all of it") is wrong? :P[08:22:10] <FlyingJester> Name mangling is more based on the compiler than anything, I think.[08:22:26] <eschatologist> Name mangling is a compiler + ABI thing.[08:22:31] <FlyingJester> Agner Fog's calling convention manual covers it pretty completely for GCC, Clang, etc.[08:22:32] <Duggan> FlyingJester that's why I'm thinking it may not so big a deal[08:22:43] <eschatologist> So clang when building for a tuple that has VC++ compatibility uses VC++ ABI conventions, including mangling.[08:22:50] <Duggan> except all the headers still have to be updated[08:23:55] <FlyingJester> Yeah, although you can have compatible ABIs with incompatible name mangling, or identical name mangling with a different ABI/calling convention, too. Although those days are mostly gone.[08:23:59] <eschatologist> I was hoping that eventually Haiku would make the switch to clang for variants that don't need BeOS bincompat, which would also be a good platform for hacking on adding BeOS ABI support into clang as a selectable ABI for i386.[08:24:33] <FlyingJester> I keep thinking it would be funny to try to get OpenWatcom working on Haiku.[08:24:46] <eschatologist> That would conceivably allow the use of clang to build modern C++ that's binary compatible (as long as it doesn't use new features) with BeOS for i386.[08:25:00] <eschatologist> As is possible to do with i386 and x86_64 today with clang and VC++.[08:25:13] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[08:25:21] <eschatologist> (Heck, one could hypothetically even add ppc BeOS ABI support to clang.)[08:25:37] <Skipp_OSX> eschatologist, I hope so too, and libc too[08:25:37] <Duggan> well, that's actually my problem.... I'm trying to use clang and it complains it wants c++11 :P[08:25:47] <FlyingJester> You could concievably do that with GCC, too. The name mangling is not any big issue with that.[08:25:52] *** lezsakdomi <lezsakdomi!~led@540354BE.catv.pool.telekom.hu> has joined #haiku[08:26:29] <eschatologist> clang might be more straightforward from that perspective as it's designed to interoperate with the world, not take over the world.[08:26:32] <Duggan> hmmmmm you know, my application really only needs BMessages and maybe a few other things, maybe I would only need to modify a few files to get it to work... it would be isolated from the API otherwise...[08:26:59] <ryoshu> what's the RAM footprint of haiku?[08:27:05] <ryoshu> after starting gui[08:27:17] <eschatologist> In general, the C++ committee tries to maintain source compatibility. So it would surprise me if a modern compiler couldn't handle the Haiku C++98 headers.[08:27:20] <Skipp_OSX> eschatologist, unfortunately clangs gcc2.9.5 emulation support is terrible![08:27:44] <Duggan> maybe I should add the flags anyway and see what happens...[08:27:56] <eschatologist> Skipp_OSX: Got bug reports on that?[08:27:58] <Duggan> oh wait, I did[08:28:11] <Duggan> yeah, I forgot my original issue :P[08:28:22] <Skipp_OSX> eschatologist, I'm just messing around, I[08:28:39] <Skipp_OSX> 'm joking[08:28:45] <Duggan> that being, I DID try to compile with c++11 enabled, but it's complaining <cstdint> isn't c++11 compatible[08:28:46] <eschatologist> Ah. Because if it was needed for interop, clang developers probably would take that seriously.[08:29:15] <ryoshu> I'm a LLVM committer[08:29:22] <eschatologist> Cool[08:29:24] <FlyingJester> stdint.h is probably a better choice for compatibility.[08:29:46] <FlyingJester> I've seen that issue in a number of places.[08:29:50] <Duggan> FlyingJester you tell that to the people that included it in their files, I didn't :P[08:30:07] <Skipp_OSX> eschatologist, does interop with BeOS count?[08:30:43] <eschatologist> If someone were to implement it with tests and it didn't interfere with other work, it'd probably be accepted.[08:34:39] <Skipp_OSX> more seriously, clang is a good option for the future[08:34:55] <Duggan> if it would work, sure :)[08:35:01] <Duggan> buuuuuut apparently it doesn't...[08:35:10] <Skipp_OSX> well, work for new apps, not for old[08:35:52] <Duggan> well, the executable works, maybe I could use some of the 10 pages of command line options to do what I want... as a hack...[08:36:32] <Duggan> I'd rather link directly to the libs to do the work, but whatever...[08:43:32] <Duggan> PulkoMandy as per your comment on #4755, how do I retrieve the model and identifier information for my codec chip?[08:44:05] <Duggan> Diver?[08:44:43] <Diver> no idea, probabably from linux somehow?[08:44:54] <Diver> *probably[08:44:54] <Duggan> I don't have linux :/ ugh[08:46:06] <Duggan> I guess let me reboot a couple times... once into BIOS to look at my settings there, I don't think there'll be anything... then I'll get into windows and see what it can tell me and also see if booting back keeps my audio enabled... not holding my breath that that will happen however[08:46:38] <Duggan> back in a few[08:46:54] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-46-190.bix.bellsouth.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[08:58:12] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[09:01:03] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[09:07:51] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-46-190.bix.bellsouth.net> has joined #haiku[09:08:14] <Duggan> hrm[09:09:51] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has joined #haiku[09:09:56] <Duggan> yep, no audio[09:09:59] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jskipp@97-113-201-10.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[09:10:27] <Duggan> yep, audio setting are still jacked up (no pun intended)[09:17:16] <PulkoMandy> hi[09:17:32] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: if the codec isn't shown in the syslog, then I don't know of another way to get it[09:17:50] <PulkoMandy> have you tried the opensound driver? may work better than the default one[09:18:09] <PulkoMandy> works for me, at least[09:19:16] <PulkoMandy> FlyingJester: I started work on OpenWatcom 2.0 some times ago, the main problem I hit is it needs (needed?) to compile things for the host with its own toolchain, and for some reason the ELF files it generated were crashing on Haiku, did not find out why yet[09:19:41] <PulkoMandy> maybe they have fixed more things since then (for the crashes, or for the buildsystem to need less of this)[09:19:58] <PulkoMandy> (I was mostly interested in cross-compiling for old 8086 stuff)[09:20:00] <FlyingJester> I know it needs some wacky stuff to just compile itself still (including a DOS emulator, no matter the host platform)[09:20:23] <FlyingJester> I'm mostly interested because there aren't many even somewhat C++11 compliant compilers out there.[09:21:01] <FlyingJester> That, somewhat Open64, and of course G++ and Clang are about the only open source ones, and Intel and MSVC are all there is.[09:22:57] <PulkoMandy> yes, I had the dosbox recipe written just for that[09:23:07] <PulkoMandy> (which is also why I never bothered fixing the keyboard mapping issues in it)[09:23:31] <FlyingJester> It has keymapping issues all over, so that's not a big Haiku issue :P[09:23:32] <PulkoMandy> but the Open Watcom 2 project on github did a lot of cleanup on needing less DOS-ish stuff[09:23:45] <PulkoMandy> yes, but the default is all broken[09:23:56] <FlyingJester> Yeah, but they still have a single DOS utility that is apparently required.[09:23:56] <PulkoMandy> and last time I heard, the keymap window crashed if you tried to open it[09:24:17] <PulkoMandy> yes, probably still the tools to generate the docs from SGML?[09:24:24] <FlyingJester> I've played around with OpenWatcom v2 a bit, mostly trying to get a simpler build just for the linker.[09:24:41] <FlyingJester> I don't know exactly what needed DOS emulation, but it builds by default.[09:28:14] <FlyingJester> At a certain point, I began to like having files separated completely into headers and source. Then I stopped before I completely lost my mind.[09:33:31] *** tresh <tresh!~vision@92.188.49.69> has joined #haiku[09:35:51] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-9-99.moscow.rt.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[09:37:24] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-9-99.moscow.rt.ru> has joined #haiku[09:39:45] <Duggan> PulkoMandy how do I install the opensound driver?[09:39:55] <Duggan> also, at what point in the syslog would it be mentioned?[09:42:57] <PulkoMandy> pkgman install opensound[09:43:10] <PulkoMandy> and, I don't know, but let's see[09:43:43] <PulkoMandy> grep hda /var/log/syslog will give all logs from the HDA driver (do this before installing opensound)[09:44:31] <Duggan> I got a copy of the syslogs as I booted last, but there's not much in it... nothing as far as device identification[09:45:13] <Duggan> actually, I saved both files, syslog and syslog.old, I think that info is at the end of syslog.old, let me check[09:45:15] <PulkoMandy> for opensound you also need to disable the normal driver: add http://sprunge.us/GXWQ to /system/config/packages[09:46:07] <PulkoMandy> and then after reboot, check the media settings, IIRC I had to change the default output device to get sound out on my machine[09:47:09] <Diver> eh, no opensound for x86_64 it seems :/[09:47:19] <Duggan> "*** failed to find a match for "opensound": Name not found"[09:48:13] <PulkoMandy> ah, yes, x86_64 is not supported (by me) :p[09:48:28] <PulkoMandy> you can try building from haikuports but I don't know if it will work[09:50:00] <Duggan> no version of opensound can be built[09:50:33] *** tresh <tresh!~vision@92.188.49.69> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[09:51:18] <Duggan> lets see...[09:51:36] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-9-99.moscow.rt.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[09:52:57] <Duggan> can you tell me how to go about getting a git url for it?...[09:53:38] <Duggan> I'm not well acquainted with the whole haikuport[s|er] thing[09:54:06] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has left #haiku[09:55:47] <Duggan> I don't see any sources at https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/tree/master/media-sound/opensound just recipes[09:55:51] <jessicah> Duggan: name mangling is different between gcc2 and non-gcc2, fwiw[09:56:13] <Duggan> jessicah I know that, but what about c++98 and c++11?[09:56:22] <jessicah> should be the same[09:56:25] <Duggan> that's why we were stuck with gcc2 for so long[09:56:50] <Duggan> thanks for the input though :)[09:57:48] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-9-99.moscow.rt.ru> has joined #haiku[09:59:17] <jessicah> I'm reading scrollback still :p[09:59:37] <Duggan> jessicah lol... we should try doing something about the headers at least then, I would think anyway[09:59:53] <jessicah> hmm?[09:59:55] <Duggan> apparently clang builds, but I can't build against it[10:02:16] <ryoshu> what's the RAM footprint of haiku?[10:02:38] <jessicah> I've booted with 256MB with qemu[10:02:47] <jessicah> but that's not enough if want to run something like Web+ :p[10:03:06] <Duggan> or terminal.... or deskbar.... or tracker....[10:03:15] <ryoshu> 256MB is a lot[10:03:44] <Duggan> 256MB was a lot in 2002[10:03:53] <jessicah> 256MB lets me use terminal :p[10:04:02] <Diver> well packagefs added quite a bit to ram footprint[10:04:44] <jessicah> still, works with 256MB[10:04:52] <ryoshu> I was hoping for like 32MB RAM[10:05:02] <jessicah> yeah that won't be enough :p[10:05:36] *** KingsQuest <KingsQuest!~quassel@unaffiliated/kingsquest> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[10:06:07] <Diver> heh, I used R5 with 32MB :P[10:06:46] <Duggan> I used R5 with 8 I think... maybe more, I don't remember how much my computer had back then...[10:07:02] <Diver> in 2000?[10:07:09] <Duggan> I said I don't remember :P[10:07:25] <Diver> I think 32-64 was the norm back then[10:07:32] <Duggan> I had a butchered up eMachines I got for Christmas some years before...[10:07:36] <Diver> at least over here :)[10:07:45] <Duggan> because eMachines were such crap, I was always replacing parts[10:08:33] <Duggan> maybe it was 32, I don't remember...[10:08:58] <Duggan> maybe it started as 32 until the cheap parts burned out and I was probably running with closer to 17 :P[10:08:59] <Duggan> lol[10:10:11] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[10:10:19] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-9-99.moscow.rt.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[10:10:21] <Duggan> hey mmu_man[10:10:39] <Duggan> PulkoMandy opensound apparently thinks this is BeOS[10:10:46] <jessicah> DHowett: oh, I made a disk image with uefi loader on it[10:10:46] <Duggan> so obviously it won't build :/[10:11:00] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[10:11:08] <jessicah> so you can dd it to a usb disk to boot[10:11:33] *** savant_d <savant_d!~savant@178.162.117.40> has joined #haiku[10:11:56] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #haiku[10:12:21] <Duggan> jessicah yay! see? I'm useful for some things :P[10:12:29] <Duggan> every once in a while I *do* come up with a good idea ;)[10:13:00] <Duggan> now, can you boot a non-EFI computer with it?[10:13:29] <jessicah> maybe[10:13:37] <jessicah> it should have the bios mbr there[10:13:42] <Duggan> give it a shot, if so, package that as the standard x86_64 build :)[10:13:46] <jessicah> since I used DriveSetup[10:13:57] <jessicah> I had to make it manually :p[10:14:05] <Duggan> you'll figure it out ;)[10:15:10] <Duggan> I mean, jam creates the raw image anyway, so obviously it should be able to create a FAT partition in that image alongside the BFS partition :) the functions should be there[10:16:31] <ryoshu> I was suggested to read nohaikuforme for criticizm of haiku, but so far I have not noted any useful entries[10:24:29] <jessicah> hmm, we should just infringe copyright, and incorporate BeBook into HaikuBook[10:24:43] <jessicah> not like ACCESS, Co. even responds to emails[10:27:06] <mmu_man> Duggan: yes I didn't really change this in OSS[10:27:12] <mmu_man> it's not the biggest bug[10:27:12] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-9-99.moscow.rt.ru> has joined #haiku[10:28:10] <Duggan> I kind-of agree with jessicah :P but as long as we keep the old BeBook available, that'll have to do I guess[10:28:46] <Duggan> mmu_man so I guess it needs some work :/[10:31:46] *** Emrys <Emrys!~emrys@92.87.13.132> has joined #haiku[10:32:56] <jessicah> Duggan: our gcc on haiku x86_64 should support c++11[10:33:05] <jessicah> you probably just need to pass the flag to g++[10:34:42] <Duggan> jessicah I did[10:34:59] <Duggan> it complains one of the std headers isn't c++11[10:35:44] <jessicah> heh[10:36:31] <Duggan> ./boot/system/develop/headers/llvm/Support/DataTypes.h:64:3: error: #error "The standard header <cstdint> is not C++11 compliant. Must #define " "__STDC_CONSTANT_MACROS before #including Support/DataTypes.h"[10:37:27] <Duggan> and yet llvm/clang requires c++11...... and yet they somehow build because I have a clang executable.....[10:38:02] <Duggan> jessicah can you comprehend how frustrated I get when things like this *always* happen to me?[10:38:22] <Duggan> you might be starting to get a glimpse of what I deal with all the time when I work with Haiku :P[10:38:39] <jessicah> :p[10:39:03] <Duggan> haven't you noticed that with me it's one thing after another? there's always something broke in my way? :P[10:40:06] <jessicah> :)[10:40:16] <jessicah> I still need to figure out why MediaPlayer doesn't work for me :([10:40:34] <jessicah> and, finally caught up with scrollback[10:40:39] <Duggan> well, not always... give it another year or two and most of the bugs will get worked out and maybe for 6 months I'll be able to write code again before my computer breaks and some new technology comes out that Haiku can't handle, then I'm forced to take another 5 year vacation...[10:40:50] <Duggan> jessicah what part of it doesn't work?[10:41:07] <Duggan> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13203[10:41:29] <Duggan> do your audio controls look like my screenshot there?[10:42:38] *** orealis <orealis!~cre8or@51.174.179.178> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[10:49:15] *** Emrys <Emrys!~emrys@92.87.13.132> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[10:49:16] <jessicah> MediaPlayer silently crashes with a pure virtual call abort[10:49:32] <jessicah> nop[10:50:30] <Duggan> ah[10:50:32] *** Dane__ <Dane__!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[10:50:44] <Duggan> in my syslogs, I'm up to wireless...[10:51:34] <jessicah> :)[10:51:38] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has joined #haiku[10:53:32] <Duggan> PulkoMandy, is this what you were looking for? KERN: hda: Codec 0 Vendor: 8086 Product: 2807, Revision: 1.0.0.0 Quirks: 0700[10:53:50] <PulkoMandy> looks like it yes[10:54:06] <PulkoMandy> so it's an intel codec (vendor 8086 is intel)[10:54:15] <Duggan> yep[10:54:15] <PulkoMandy> maybe they integrate it on-chip now?[10:54:27] <Duggan> probably, it has the beats symbol on the case[10:54:46] <Duggan> that's consistent with the controller data I posted on the ticket[10:54:50] <Duggan> 13203[10:55:02] <Duggan> I was curious why my audio controller was a Xeon...[10:55:50] <Duggan> btw, this computer was "born" in 2013[10:56:22] <Duggan> so are there any suggestions of what I can do to fix it with a config change or does something more drastic need to happen?[10:58:13] <Duggan> PulkoMandy this comes later: KERN: hda: Failed to setup new audio function group (No such device)! KERN: hda: no active codec[10:58:48] <PulkoMandy> well after some hours spent looking at the hda code and specs I still don't have much ideas how all this works[10:59:05] <PulkoMandy> and I found out that OpenSound works just fine here so I stopped worrying about it[10:59:09] <PulkoMandy> (for now)[10:59:25] <Duggan> and then there's this later: KERN: hda: Codec 0 Vendor: 111d Product: 76e0, Revision: 1.0.3.3 Quirks: 0700[11:00:45] <PulkoMandy> ok, I would say the first one is for HDMI sound output[11:00:50] <PulkoMandy> and this one is for normal output[11:00:52] <Duggan> that section ends with setting up buffers[11:01:51] <Duggan> any ideas how I can tweak it to try to get it to work? is it trying to use the intel one over this one?[11:02:07] <Duggan> if I somehow manage to blacklist the intel one, could it allow this one to work?[11:02:25] <jessicah> they're both one driver[11:02:32] <jessicah> so no, that won't work[11:02:40] <Duggan> also, I'm on x86_64, so opensound doesn't work here :P[11:02:43] <Duggan> meh :/[11:03:15] <Duggan> but is there a way to blacklist the device so it's not used?[11:03:24] <PulkoMandy> no[11:03:34] <jessicah> if you blacklist the hda driver, then you definitely won't have audio :p[11:03:40] <Duggan> if it's detecting the one that doesn't work first, it may never actually get to using the other[11:03:42] <PulkoMandy> I think it will give up on the HDMI stuff anyway[11:03:56] <PulkoMandy> but as I said, I couldn't make any sense of the hda code[11:04:05] <PulkoMandy> so maybe you should try to check for yourself there[11:04:20] <Duggan> hmmm[11:09:33] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54c3c8c2.access.telenet.be> has joined #haiku[11:10:13] <Begasus> 'lo peeps[11:11:42] <jessicah> hey Begasus :)[11:13:37] <Duggan> hey, The Begasus[11:13:59] <Begasus> hi jessicah Duggan :)[11:16:40] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!~vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:17:15] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[11:19:06] <jessicah> hmm, I should boot into Haiku, and work on my rewrite of desklink/volume replicant[11:19:55] <Diver> what's up with that?[11:20:08] <jessicah> volume replicant?[11:20:11] <Begasus> what's stoping you? ;)[11:20:16] <Begasus> stopping*[11:20:19] <jessicah> well, for starters, it constantly polls the mdeia server[11:20:24] <jessicah> lazyness, mostly :p[11:20:32] <Begasus> ;)[11:25:05] *** memphisto <memphisto!~memphisto@cable-24-135-223-132.dynamic.sbb.rs> has joined #haiku[11:25:27] <Duggan> it's pretty funny how, in the source code, the closer you get to hardware, the less descriptive variable names are...[11:26:02] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-100-216.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[11:29:01] <jessicah> :p[11:29:35] <Begasus> would it be better to remove the 2 current PR's I have open now in order to create a larger one later on that combines the recipes I want to change to be ok with libpng again?[11:30:09] <jessicah> you can do just one PR if you want; but do separate commits for each recipe, IMO[11:30:57] <PulkoMandy> well, for the libpng update, a single bulk one is fine[11:30:59] <Duggan> PulkoMandy I think you were right, on that first device, pins 5, 6, and 7 have HDMI Digital other out[11:31:24] <Begasus> so I should create a seperate branch (for instance "fixsdl_image") and commit after each ...[11:32:05] <jessicah> I personally prefer smaller commits :p but sure, can do pulko's way, just one large commit[11:32:07] <Duggan> yeah, that second one is jacked up (again, no pun intended)[11:32:10] <Begasus> best to close the 2 PR's at github then PulkoMandy? or should I leave them for now[11:32:14] <jessicah> if it's like a 1 or 2-line change per recipe[11:32:27] <PulkoMandy> jessicah: it's s/libpng/libpng16[11:32:29] <PulkoMandy> so, yes[11:32:35] <jessicah> if you're going to do a new PR, close them now[11:32:38] <Begasus> yep, about 3 llines (rev,lib,devel)[11:32:56] <PulkoMandy> Begasus: I think you don't need to change devel?[11:33:22] <Begasus> not? shouldn't that be the same as the lib?[11:33:59] <PulkoMandy> usually yes, but the development package for libpng still allows to use devel:libpng (which means "any version")[11:34:15] <PulkoMandy> thne when it picks libpng1.7, it will complain that the lib: doesn't match and we will remember to update it[11:34:24] <Duggan> where are vendor_ids defined?[11:34:28] <PulkoMandy> otherwise, the recipe would continue to build without problems, but against libpng 1.6[11:34:34] <Begasus> ah ok[11:34:40] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: I guess they use PCI ids?[11:35:14] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: we grab those from http://pciids.sourceforge.net/, and generate a .h from that with some awk magic[11:35:25] <Duggan> PulkoMandy the vendor_id is stored in pci_info, but aren't they defined somewhere?[11:35:26] <Duggan> ah ok[11:35:41] <Duggan> PulkoMandy you can't do that anymore :P[11:35:46] <Duggan> 404[11:36:42] <PulkoMandy> ah, whatever: https://github.com/pciutils/pciids[11:36:57] <Duggan> hehe[11:37:10] <PulkoMandy> http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=bcf11b8a24bb7e7959da8d4aed647cd3a3f28f71[11:37:18] <Duggan> Integrated Device Technology Inc...[11:37:52] <Duggan> ah, danke :)[11:39:05] <jessicah> hmm, I should have bought some gingernut biscuits as supermarket today :([11:39:42] <Duggan> you mean cookies?[11:40:00] <Duggan> ;D[11:41:17] <Duggan> PulkoMandy starting to find the problem here... 111d (IDT) is listed as a vendor, but product 76e0 is not listed (or is perhaps not listed as one of their products)[11:41:53] *** jessicah` <jessicah`!~jessicat@unaffiliated/jessicah> has joined #haiku[11:41:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jessicah`[11:41:57] <Duggan> not listed at all... I doubt just adding it will fix anything though[11:42:01] <jessicah> yes, cookies[11:42:04] <Duggan> lol[11:42:06] <jessicah> love cookies[11:42:19] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: yes, this is just to show readable IDs in listdev and Devices and the like[11:42:22] <jessicah> adding it can't hurt[11:42:41] <PulkoMandy> I ould make sure that Codec IDs are indeed using the same namespace as PCI IDs first[11:42:42] <jessicah> oh, you're not talking about HDA driver?[11:42:53] <Duggan> so it's not actually used anywhere else? like it doesn't have to be defined there to still be a valid device?[11:43:10] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: not for the codec[11:43:11] <Duggan> jessicah yes I am[11:43:17] <jessicah`> there, in haiku now :p[11:43:25] <jessicah`> I don't know if my audio works or not[11:43:30] <jessicah`> MediaPlayer doesn't work :p[11:43:36] <jessicah`> downloading another media player to try out[11:43:38] <Duggan> jessicah` tried VLC? :P[11:43:39] <PulkoMandy> the hda driver first identifies the hda PCI device (from it's PCI id), and then, scans the codecs plugged to it (which are not PCI devices)[11:43:51] <PulkoMandy> or playfile[11:44:20] <PulkoMandy> hda PCI device as seen by listdev:[11:44:22] <PulkoMandy> device Multimedia controller (Audio device) [4|3|0][11:44:22] <PulkoMandy> vendor 8086: Intel Corporation[11:44:23] <PulkoMandy> device 1c20: 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller[11:44:30] <PulkoMandy> (you probably have something similar)[11:44:32] <jessicah`> oh playfile works[11:44:34] <jessicah`> yay, music[11:44:50] <PulkoMandy> since you see hda doing things with codecs in the log, it must be identifying that part already[11:45:06] <PulkoMandy> so, the problem lies further down, somewhere in the hda driver itself[11:46:06] <jessicah`> didn't BeOS used to show the level in the media prefs?[11:46:08] <jessicah`> I miss that[11:46:34] <Duggan> PulkoMandy listdev only shows a bunch of intel and 2 realtek devices, no IDT[11:46:43] <PulkoMandy> no, it won't[11:46:52] <PulkoMandy> IDT is a *codec*, it is not a PCI device[11:46:59] <PulkoMandy> listdev only lists PCI devices[11:47:24] <Duggan> ok[11:47:39] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-100-216.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[11:47:41] <PulkoMandy> the codec enumeration is done by the hda driver, which is why you can only see this one from the syslog[11:48:09] <Duggan> ok, that's what I've been looking at[11:48:21] <Duggan> so I need to back up to PCI stuff, out of hda[11:48:52] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-100-216.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[11:49:05] <Duggan> got it.....[11:49:17] <Duggan> KERN: HDA: Detected controller @ PCI:0:3:0, IRQ:16, type 8086/0c0c (103c/1965)[11:49:26] <Duggan> KERN: HDA: Detected controller @ PCI:0:27:0, IRQ:22, type 8086/8c20 (103c/1965)[11:49:30] <Duggan> is that it?[11:49:31] <jessicah`> intel hda with realtek codec[11:49:44] <jessicah`> I think[11:49:59] <Duggan> no, first codec is intel, second is IDT[11:50:05] <jessicah`> oh wait, no, realtek is 10de[11:50:16] <Duggan> 111d = IDT[11:50:31] <Duggan> both codecs are listed as codec 0 though, I wonder if that matters[11:50:51] *** orealis <orealis!~cre8or@51.174.179.178> has joined #haiku[11:55:46] <PulkoMandy> it looks like you have two independant HDA controllers here (different PCI paths)[11:55:55] <PulkoMandy> so, two independant soundcards[11:56:00] <PulkoMandy> do you see both in media preferences?[11:56:25] <PulkoMandy> and if you see only one, we should try to identify which of the two it is[11:56:50] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@81-225-60-243-no168.bredband.skanova.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:57:15] <Begasus> PulkoMandy .. if I grep the haikuports tree for libpng I already see other apps (poppler for instance) using devel:libpng16 should those also be corrected?[11:57:22] <Duggan> 8086/8c20 is the 8 series/c220 HD audio controller... 103c 1909 is zbook 15, 17aa 220e is thinkpad t440p, mine however is 103c 1965.... does that matter?[11:58:04] <Duggan> (the 8086/8c20 is correct, the subcategory part is what's mismatched, but I don't know that it matters...)[11:58:22] <PulkoMandy> Begasus: I don't know, ask the people who did the changes what they think about it?[11:59:01] <Begasus> ok, I'll just leave them as they are for now, just looking at stuff I had been working on in the past ;)[11:59:50] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: there are tables of supported devices in hda_controller.cpp (PCI) and hda_codec.cpp (codecs)[12:00:09] <Duggan> thanks :)[12:00:22] <PulkoMandy> in the controller it looks to be only for quirks[12:00:38] <PulkoMandy> and same for the codec[12:00:53] <PulkoMandy> so, I would say it doesn't rely on the IDs at all to decide which devices it uses[12:00:56] <PulkoMandy> let's see[12:01:15] <PulkoMandy> yes[12:01:21] <PulkoMandy> driver.cpp > init_hardware[12:01:29] <PulkoMandy> it uses the PCI class and subclass and that's it[12:01:59] <PulkoMandy> this is the first line of listdev, for example in my case: device Multimedia controller (Audio device) [4|3|0][12:02:00] <Duggan> jessicah` NVIDIA is 10de :)[12:02:12] <jessicah`> bah[12:02:29] <jessicah`> I used to know these[12:02:34] <Duggan> PulkoMandy ok[12:04:40] <jessicah`> 10ec must be realtek then[12:05:20] *** tresh <tresh!~vision@92.188.49.69> has joined #haiku[12:07:27] *** KingsQuest <KingsQuest!~quassel@unaffiliated/kingsquest> has joined #haiku[12:12:55] <Duggan> PulkoMandy well, both 0c0c and 8c20 are listed so I guess they're supposed to be supported[12:13:31] <Duggan> considering the data for the IDT codec looked borked, is there a chance that's where the problem is?[12:15:51] <Duggan> PulkoMandy if you look at the image on the ticket, those outputs seem to correlate to the data coming from the pinout data in the codec... which is obviously wrong[12:17:49] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-9-99.moscow.rt.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[12:18:12] <Duggan> jessicah`10ec is RTL :P[12:21:02] <jessicah`> gah, what the; the window uses messages from the mixer, but not the replicant icon[12:21:21] <jessicah`> instead it just reconnects to the mixer on every Pulse()[12:22:44] <Duggan> check the Pulse() function?[12:23:02] <jessicah`> I want to get rid of the Pulse() function entirely :p[12:23:19] <Duggan> well? :P[12:25:06] <Duggan> I'm sorry I'm such an idiot, but still going back to the codec.... in syslog I have this line: KERN: hda: Codec 0 Vendor: 111d Product: 76e0, Revision: 1.0.3.3 Quirks: 0700 and in hda_codec.cpp I have { HDA_ALL, HDA_ALL, IDT_VENDORID, 0x76b2, HDA_QUIRK_GPIO0, 0}[12:25:31] <Duggan> are the 76e0 and 76b2 supposed to be the same for that codec to be supported?[12:26:27] <Duggan> (0x76b2 is the codec_id in hda_codec.cpp, I'm not sure if that's what "Product" refers to in the syslog... I guess I need to find that part...)[12:26:30] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:186a:e60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[12:28:31] <PulkoMandy> 76B2 and 76E0 are device IDs[12:28:41] <PulkoMandy> different devices, so no idea if they need the same quirks or not[12:29:15] <Duggan> pcidatabase.com doesn't have an entry for 76e0[12:29:26] <PulkoMandy> again: these are NOT NOT NOT pci devices![12:29:58] <PulkoMandy> I don't know where you can find a database of these. Maybe there isn't even one[12:30:08] <Duggan> PulkoMandy I know that[12:30:23] <PulkoMandy> so, why look in PCI databases?[12:30:49] <PulkoMandy> apparently they happen to use the same vendor IDs, but that's it. And each vendor can assign device IDs whichever way they want and don't need to document it[12:31:15] <Duggan> because this: http://pcidatabase.com/search.php?device_search_str=76b2&device_search.x=0&device_search.y=0&device_search=search+devices[12:31:45] <Duggan> and 76b2 is the CODEC id as listed in hda_codec.cpp[12:33:38] <Begasus> PulkoMandy ... https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/commit/cd4d36b2a8a48e71fb5fea65110c51b9fa3f0b97[12:34:07] <Begasus> seems they are not needed anymore fot sdl_ttf (builds here for x86_gcc2 and x86 without png and bz2[12:34:16] <PulkoMandy> yes, libtool .la removal fixed this[12:34:34] <Begasus> ok, should a add a seperate pr for that one?[12:35:19] <Duggan> this is what I searched for: https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=idt+codec+id second link is what I clicked[12:36:29] <Duggan> and it lists codecs, it just doesn't have 76b2 labeled as one for whatever reason, yet hda_codec.cpp clearly has it listed as the codec_id... now what 76e0 is, I have no clue... the 76xx makes me think it's also a codec_id[12:36:32] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: this is just a community project to provide a list. It can be incomplete, invalid, wrong, and not of much help anyway, I think?[12:36:58] <PulkoMandy> yes, they are product ids for two different codecs, apparently from the same manufacturer[12:37:55] *** memphisto <memphisto!~memphisto@cable-24-135-223-132.dynamic.sbb.rs> has left #haiku ("Konversation terminated!")[12:38:21] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-9-99.moscow.rt.ru> has joined #haiku[12:38:33] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@81-225-60-243-no168.bredband.skanova.com> has joined #haiku[12:39:01] <Duggan> alright, so if I added an entry with that id, there's a chance it will either work or cause is_computer_on_fire() to return the temperature of my motherboard?[12:44:55] <PulkoMandy> yes, something like that[12:45:57] <Duggan> I'm still trying to find info on 76e0 :/[12:45:58] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@101.100.137.239> has joined #haiku[12:46:00] <Duggan> not easy to come by[12:46:04] <Duggan> hey OmniMancer[12:46:38] <OmniMancer> hi[12:47:07] <Begasus> ok ... needed to add glu also to the recipe for sdl_ttf to enable support for GL[12:48:35] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-9-99.moscow.rt.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[12:48:37] *** jessicah` <jessicah`!~jessicat@unaffiliated/jessicah> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[12:49:07] <PulkoMandy> yes usually there is no info on these things… maybe in Alsa's bank of datasheets[12:49:24] <PulkoMandy> http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/alsa/datasheets/[12:49:30] <PulkoMandy> but that seems to be mostly old things[12:49:38] *** jessicah` <jessicah`!~jessicat@unaffiliated/jessicah> has joined #haiku[12:49:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jessicah`[12:50:31] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-9-99.moscow.rt.ru> has joined #haiku[12:51:37] <jessicah`> well, changing the volume works with Pulse() gone, but not mute/unmute[12:51:45] <jessicah`> but that doesn't work in the Media Prefs either =/[12:52:01] <jessicah`> whereas volume slider does in Media prefs[12:53:25] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: according to https://sourceforge.net/p/edp-osxlatitude/svn/276/tree//edp/bin/fixes/AppleHDAPatch/patch-hda-codecs.pl?diff=553d2d8cc431430391ba9030:275[12:53:38] <PulkoMandy> it could be http://80.93.56.75/pdf/0/4/5/8/1/04581892.pdf[12:54:05] <PulkoMandy> (yes, Google found this by IP address and not DNS :D)[12:54:47] <Duggan> lol[12:55:32] <Duggan> OH SNAP roflmao!!!!![12:55:46] <Duggan> "IDT CONFIDENTIAL" somebody forgot to tell bots to go away :P[12:56:00] <Duggan> meh, it's 8 years old though :/[12:57:26] <PulkoMandy> device ID 76E0 is listed (page 59)[12:57:38] <PulkoMandy> so that looks like it[12:58:48] <Duggan> very nice, thanks :)[12:58:58] <Duggan> now how to figure out what to do to implement support for it...[13:01:12] <Duggan> yeah that device id is just what's returned from a function, it looks like this whole doc is just for that one chip[13:06:53] * jessicah` sighs[13:07:13] <jessicah`> I don't know why there's no notification for muting volume[13:07:23] *** KingsQuest <KingsQuest!~quassel@unaffiliated/kingsquest> has quit IRC (Quit: Shenmue 900 days all deb from iso up US main server)[13:14:13] <Duggan> PulkoMandy syslog says quirks are 0700, which is HDA_QUIRK_IVREF which are the quirks for an unrecognized (HDA_ALL) device... the question is, if setting it to something else will actually help...[13:14:29] <Duggan> I can't figure out what a "quirk" even is yet....[13:16:38] <jessicah`> it just makes some code path happen/not happen[13:17:38] *** KapiX <KapiX!~kacper@89-65-138-76.dynamic.chello.pl> has joined #haiku[13:18:23] <Begasus> KapiX! :)[13:18:31] <KapiX> hi Begasus :)[13:18:34] <jessicah`> gah, syslog is full of that usb is not in an overcurrent state[13:18:36] <jessicah`> nothing else[13:18:59] <jessicah`> need to disable that bit of tracing, so can have a useful syslog again :p[13:19:25] <jessicah`> I still don't know what to do about this lack of mute messages[13:19:45] <jessicah`> updating the volume level works though...[13:23:21] <Duggan> jessicah` again, welcome to my world :D[13:25:48] <Duggan> the pinout diagram says VrefOut_C/GPIO4, does that mean I need to have that quirk enabled?.... (GPIO4)[13:26:02] <jessicah`> mayhaps[13:26:16] <Duggan> as in, the mapping for vrefout = gpio4[13:28:02] <jessicah`> just try whatever and see what happens?[13:28:03] <jessicah`> :p[13:28:07] <Duggan> GPIO1 = clock, GPIO2 = DMIC_0 (whatever that is), GPIO2 = SPDIF OUT, GPIO 0 = SPDIFOUT1/DMIC1.... hrm..... so on and so forth...[13:28:43] <Duggan> sorry, GPIO3 = SPDIF OUT 0[13:29:03] <Duggan> that's all the GPIO mappings I see[13:29:22] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] KapiX pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/4adf4d553257...fc070b39bc39[13:29:24] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] KapiX fc070b3 - scintilla: bump version.[13:30:03] <jessicah`> KapiX: hey, Koder seems kinda neat :)[13:30:29] <jessicah`> can you not include all the languages that comes with scintilla/scite?[13:30:37] <jessicah`> there's lots more than comes with Koder[13:30:41] <jessicah`> also, needs an icon :p[13:30:47] <Duggan> koder would probably be awesome if it ran on x86_64 :P[13:30:54] <jessicah`> it does, you dork[13:30:57] <Duggan> hush you[13:31:01] <jessicah`> what do you think I'm running it on?[13:31:14] <Duggan> doesn't work for me :P[13:31:16] <jessicah`> pkgman add-repo http://haiku.kacperkasper.pl/repo/x86_64[13:31:20] <KapiX> jessicah` I would need to write lots of yamls[13:31:21] <Duggan> can't be arsed to fix it, got other issues :P[13:31:30] <KapiX> it's kind of boring and I have limited time[13:31:35] <jessicah`> KapiX: oh, it doesn't use scintilla's highlighting?[13:31:36] <KapiX> I just wanted to push it out there[13:31:47] <KapiX> it does, but the client has to configure it[13:32:00] <jessicah`> hmm[13:32:11] <jessicah`> so I could just dump all the config from SciTE, and it should work?[13:32:26] <KapiX> It would actually be better to use Notepad++'s XMLs[13:32:31] <KapiX> that's what I used before[13:32:46] <KapiX> and I have ones that are already adjusted to Koder[13:32:48] <jessicah`> doesn't scite use the same yaml?[13:32:53] <KapiX> I just need to write the script[13:32:54] <jessicah`> hmm[13:32:56] <KapiX> no, scite uses lua[13:33:04] <jessicah`> it does? :o[13:33:11] <jessicah`> hmm[13:33:22] * jessicah` used to use SciTE all the time on Windows[13:33:29] <jessicah`> and then I got hooked on vscode...[13:34:40] <Duggan> ah it is pretty nice, KapiX :)[13:34:45] <KapiX> thanks :)[13:35:21] <KapiX> I really need to get around modifying bash lexer for recipes[13:35:44] <KapiX> the ones that comes with scintilla has only one set of keywords, and doesn't allow highlighting inside strings[13:36:18] <jessicah`> Duggan: you know what else is pretty nice? my screensaver :p[13:36:32] <jessicah`> Duggan: I made the lines fade out like you suggested[13:36:39] <jessicah`> have you tried my latest version?[13:36:44] <jessicah`> it should also be quite a bit smoother[13:37:03] <Duggan> not yet, one sec[13:37:39] <jessicah`> I need to find my old changes for the screensaver runner that kept the screensaver running whilst password box is visible[13:39:14] <Duggan> much nicer :) still just stops though when the next group pops up, I think overlapping them (fading the first group out) might be nicer[13:39:32] <Duggan> fading it while it's still running maybe[13:39:40] <Duggan> what I see is it just stops[13:40:02] <Duggan> much more fluid though :)[13:41:44] <jessicah`> hmm, that would require more state...[13:42:08] <jessicah`> I could maybe fade out the stars with the lines[13:42:18] <jessicah`> those don't fade atm, just the lines do[13:42:55] <jessicah`> I hope my two missing pieces of lego arrive on monday[13:43:02] <Duggan> vref is mic bias? hrm...[13:43:04] <jessicah`> then I can finish my truck[13:43:35] <Duggan> lol[13:47:32] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-092-252-109-040.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has joined #haiku[13:47:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[13:50:11] <jessicah`> Duggan: it's a cool truck :)[13:51:43] <Duggan> I have a cool helicopter I got as a kid :P[13:52:07] <Duggan> PulkoMandy do you know what the vref 50/80/100 stuff is for?[13:52:25] <PulkoMandy> where is that in the datasheet?[13:53:52] <PulkoMandy> page 268 I see a VrefCnrtl, but it is read-only so you can't do much with it anyway[13:54:04] <Duggan> jessicah` http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/mLgAAOSw8-tWZjkS/s-l300.jpg[13:54:10] <jessicah`> hmm, I don't understand why there's no parameter changed notification for the mute controls[13:54:24] <Duggan> PulkoMandy I haven't found it in the datasheet yet, that's why I'm asking... to figure out what it means so I know how they refer to it[13:54:30] <jessicah`> Duggan: haha, old school :D[13:54:37] <PulkoMandy> and VRefEn in page 123[13:55:39] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[13:55:46] <PulkoMandy> ah, page 15, section 2.1.2, Vref_Out[13:56:08] <Duggan> PulkoMandy the pinout shows GPIO mappings, does that matter? also section 2 has rubrics for pin combinations[13:56:09] <PulkoMandy> so it's Vref = 50, 80, 100% of AVDD[13:56:34] <jessicah`> buhbye web+...[13:57:02] <Duggan> huh what?[13:57:15] <Duggan> PulkoMandy looking at 15, where are you at, I'm kind of lost[13:57:15] <jessicah`> it crashed on me[13:57:18] <jessicah`> Duggan: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kG2nzlbYUfQ/maxresdefault.jpg[13:57:20] <Duggan> oh :P[13:57:39] <Duggan> oooh that is a nice truck![13:58:02] <Duggan> technic is hard to find in the US now... people don't want their kids to be smart anymore :P[13:58:20] <Duggan> PulkoMandy oh the very top lol[13:59:52] <Duggan> PulkoMandy so does that mean I need to set the bits for OVREF 50 / 80?[14:00:09] <Duggan> also, why is it talking about mics for output? ...[14:01:13] <jessicah`> technic is awesome[14:01:26] <jessicah`> my nieces and nephew have lots of lego, but no technic yet[14:01:43] <jessicah`> I think I'll have to start getting them some this year[14:01:51] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: Vref is a "reference" output, I guess it is used by the ADCs for mic input[14:02:25] <PulkoMandy> (to convert analogue signal from the mic to a digital value, where 0 is 0V and the max value is Vref)[14:04:59] <Duggan> jessicah` :)[14:08:26] <Duggan> PulkoMandy, VREF_OUT is GPIO4, the default in the driver is VREF_IN 50/80/100 as quirks with no nonquirks... the VREF_OUT = GPIO4 I got from the pinout and I really don't even know if it's relevant... the other GPIOs are there as well[14:09:46] <Duggan> it looks like the driver is trying to map functions to pins, so I think the pinout is going to be the most use, but I don't know how it's trying to do it with quirks when it only references VREF_IN[14:10:15] <PulkoMandy> it's not mapping everything in the quirks, fortunately[14:10:32] <Duggan> ok so I probably need to start looking elsewhere?[14:10:35] <PulkoMandy> the quirks are just "this is a special case because this particular chipset has a strange feature we must handle differently"[14:11:17] <PulkoMandy> Vref_in, for example, would be used to get the Vref from an external reference, rather than generating it inside the chip. For example because the internal generator does not work or is too noisy[14:11:33] <Duggan> hrm[14:11:46] <Duggan> or perhaps the given chip doesn't have a VREF_IN[14:12:55] <PulkoMandy> mh… looking at the code it seems we abuse the "quirk" thing a little and do many things with it indeed[14:14:08] <PulkoMandy> there are two things done: the _GPIO* are just to toggle some outputs, in order to enable whatever is connected to them outside the codec[14:14:22] <Duggan> that they do it isn't so bad, it's HOW they do it that makes it confusing... I understand it's bitmaps, but still[14:14:26] <PulkoMandy> and the ivref/ovref; to configure these voltage references[14:14:57] <PulkoMandy> I would think you can always get sound out even with a misconfigured reference, it would just be very weak or saturated or noisy[14:15:19] <PulkoMandy> the bitmap is just to take note of which quirks to enable for a specific chip[14:15:28] <PulkoMandy> they are scanned at different places and applied[14:15:48] <PulkoMandy> line 672 for the vref things[14:16:02] <PulkoMandy> line 1134 for the gpios[14:16:18] <Duggan> also, did you look at the screenshot I put on the ticket I opened?[14:17:00] <Duggan> of course it's directly related to this, because it's not mapping the pins properly, so it has junk for outputs[14:18:44] <Duggan> see? that GPIO code is garbage... I'm sorry but that's just... why would you do such a thing?...[14:18:45] <PulkoMandy> I don't remember how it looked with hda for me[14:19:00] <PulkoMandy> with opensound it's too large and high to take a screenshot[14:19:55] <Duggan> aaaahhhhhh that's how it's mapping the GPIOs... but you HAVE to have the proper bit enabled to coincide with those GPIOs...[14:20:35] <Duggan> well I mean you have to anyway, but if you have no bit, then no GPIO... which as it is, there's no bits for my setup[14:20:38] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-77-114-157-231.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[14:21:10] <Duggan> actually I think you do, but I don't feel like scrolling up again... lol[14:21:15] <Duggan> 1 << 0 = 1[14:22:06] <PulkoMandy> yes, if there is no "quirk" for GPIOs, then none of them need to be enabled[14:22:10] <Duggan> ok so that's mapping that verb to GPIO_0[14:22:22] <Duggan> er 1[14:23:11] <Duggan> GPIO_1 = clock[14:24:29] <Duggan> ugh I'm confusing myself... no, it's not 1... it's 1 for the other IDT card, not this one[14:25:43] <jessicah`> great, media prefs doesn't have any debugging at all =/[14:27:11] <Duggan> I figure the system's speakers must be connected to one of the SPDIF pins (or both) which are GPIO 0 and 3[14:28:20] <Duggan> maybe I need to add more traces to show more info when it determines the setup so I can try to map it manually and reverse engineer the driver to know how to change it[14:31:00] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[14:31:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[14:31:14] <jessicah`> we don't have SPDIF support in the HDA driver, as I understand it[14:31:27] <jessicah`> I dunno if we have any drivers that support SPDIF[14:31:54] <jessicah`> that's one of the things needed to make HDMI audio work[14:31:59] <Duggan> has to be GPIO 3, it's the only one that's output only... would make sense[14:32:15] * jessicah` uses digital audio everywhere[14:32:25] <Duggan> unless the speakers and mic are both tied into 0 which would make sense too[14:33:01] <Duggan> my eyes are crossing, it's time for bed I think[14:33:10] <Duggan> PulkoMandy thank you so much for your help[14:33:22] <Duggan> I'll have to finish this tomorrow[14:33:54] <Duggan> bye jessicah` :)[14:33:59] <jessicah`> buhbyes[14:33:59] <Duggan> bye PulkoMandy, thanks again[14:34:20] <jessicah`> hmm, so I think desklink/volume replicant uses Pulse() because of a bug with mute not sending any notifications =/[14:37:03] <jessicah`> volume notifications work fine using MessageReceived() instead of Pulse() without issue...[14:40:03] <PulkoMandy> well, let's fix the bug?[14:46:01] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-77-114-157-231.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #haiku[14:46:15] <Barrett> jessicah`, what does mean using MessageReceived insted of Pulse?[14:46:22] <Barrett> Pulse is actually handled in the message loop[14:49:43] <Begasus> problem 1: package tiff4_devel-4.0.6-3 conflicts with tiff_devel provided by tiff_devel-3.9.6-2[14:49:55] <Begasus> is there a reason the older one is still in there?[14:50:18] <Begasus> for openjpeg I get this Fetching package for devel:libtiff >= 5 ...[14:50:32] <Begasus> err ... *** failed to find a match for "devel:libtiff >= 5": Name not found[14:51:05] <Begasus> 3.9.6.2 has >=3 in the devel package[14:52:59] <PulkoMandy> you probably want tiff4[14:53:12] <PulkoMandy> devel:libtiff4 >= 5 ? don't remember what's in the tiff4 package[14:53:15] <Begasus> yeah, looking at the recipe it should?[14:53:32] <Begasus> yep libtiff4 has >=5[14:54:03] <Begasus> I don't even see a recipe for v 3.9.6 anymore in the tree ...[14:54:28] *** euver <euver!~Thunderbi@p54A29227.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[14:55:02] <PulkoMandy> people delete things there without checking if it's still used :/[14:55:18] <PulkoMandy> I made the "release" branch which should match what's in the package repos currently[14:55:33] <Begasus> tiff-3.9.6-2-x86_gcc2.hpkg (still in my system/packages) that's from may 2015 ;)[14:55:33] <PulkoMandy> (if I manage to keep it up to date because there is still too much manual work there)[14:56:29] <Begasus> heck of a job PulkoMandy :/[14:57:02] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/fc070b39bc39...64cad9a9c561[14:57:03] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson 64cad9a - libmaxminddb: drop libtool file, add TEST with "make check"[14:57:33] <Begasus> k ... openjpeg building now[14:58:03] <Begasus> that went fast :)[14:59:50] <Begasus> the option get-dependencies works well :)[15:03:41] <Begasus> is there a way to find out if a package is used by other packages? (for instance the libtiff 3.9.6 one) if it's not needed it could be deleted (right)?[15:04:21] <PulkoMandy> no easy way to find out I think[15:04:31] <Begasus> thought so :/[15:04:36] <PulkoMandy> I do "git grep devel:libtiff" and investigate the recipes listed[15:05:13] <Begasus> that could do the trick also :)[15:07:12] <Begasus> http://pastebin.com/mnZkqKTR[15:07:49] <Begasus> looks like the only one requesting >=5 is openjpeg (others don't) and only one supplying >=3 is the older one[15:10:22] <Begasus> no error moving it out of system/packages, so I'll leave it out untill it seems to be needed[15:15:28] <Begasus> hmmm pango has libpng15 and libpng16 in the recipe?[15:28:35] *** lezsakdomi <lezsakdomi!~led@540354BE.catv.pool.telekom.hu> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:32:33] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-9-99.moscow.rt.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[15:33:07] *** e1z0 <e1z0!u571@88.216.80.57> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[15:36:23] *** rennj <rennj!~rennj@host-69-146-167-35.static.bresnan.net> has joined #haiku[15:38:01] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-9-99.moscow.rt.ru> has joined #haiku[15:42:07] <Begasus> with the recipe as is atm I can't get pango to build while trying to fetch libpng ... *** failed to find a match for "lib:libpng16_x86 >= 16.26.0": Name not found[15:50:17] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has joined #haiku[15:59:15] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC ()[16:02:09] *** e1z0 <e1z0!u571@88.216.80.57> has joined #haiku[16:06:43] <KapiX> is there any way I can debug receiveing App::RefsReceived twice?[16:07:46] <KapiX> oh, for some reason when I drop a file I get two messages[16:08:44] *** tresh <tresh!~vision@92.188.49.69> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[16:19:08] *** e1z0_ <e1z0_!~textual@netlinux/founder/e1z0> has joined #haiku[16:21:02] *** miqlas-H64 <miqlas-H64!~user@tmo-118-71.customers.d1-online.com> has joined #haiku[16:21:35] <miqlas-H64> Hi[16:23:56] <Begasus> biab[16:23:59] <Begasus> hi miqlas-H64 :)[16:24:02] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54c3c8c2.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[16:24:20] *** miqlas-H64 <miqlas-H64!~user@tmo-118-71.customers.d1-online.com> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[16:25:40] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has joined #haiku[16:26:17] <punsith> haikupores is not woking , or someting went wrong , when i type a comand using haikuportes[16:26:33] <punsith> when i type a comand using haikuporter nothing happend[16:28:16] *** miqlas-H64 <miqlas-H64!~user@tmo-118-71.customers.d1-online.com> has joined #haiku[16:29:26] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[16:33:08] <miqlas-H64> Hi[16:33:25] <Begasus> hi miqlas-H64 punsith[16:33:48] <Begasus> punsith ... by any chance updated the haikuporter tree or something else?[16:34:21] <Begasus> I still can't figure out why it searching for this one .... *** failed to find a match for "lib:libpng16_x86 >= 16.26.0": Name not found[16:34:48] <Begasus> all the instances I've checked so far are with ...16.20...[16:35:11] <KapiX> miqlas-H64 when you specify line number and column in command line for file to open, columns start from 0 or from 1?[16:35:34] <KapiX> I mean, is EditorWindow.cpp:100:0 valid position?[16:36:48] <Paradoxon> How can i find out where a file of haiku is compiled to e.g. if it goes to libbe.so[16:36:54] <Paradoxon> or somewhere else?[16:36:55] <Paradoxon> https://github.com/haiku/haiku/blob/master/src/add-ons/index_server/IndexServerAddOn.cpp[16:37:08] <Paradoxon> i mean wich library will this compiled into?[16:43:12] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has joined #haiku[16:43:12] <miqlas-H64> KapiX: good question, lemme check.[16:43:18] <punsith> I deleted the haikuporter and donload again then worked[16:43:19] <punsith> :)[16:43:31] <punsith> begasus[16:43:36] <miqlas-H64> KapiX: from 1[16:44:50] <Begasus> that could help also (as long as you don't have to much unsolved things) :)[16:45:28] <miqlas-H64> Paradoxon, have you got your lib or executable and you want to see, ehat the runtime dependencies?[16:46:02] <miqlas-H64> if so, then "objdump -x libname/executablename" will tell you[16:47:47] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@101.100.137.239> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[16:49:06] <KapiX> miqlas-H64 ok, thanks[16:57:12] <miqlas-H64> KapiX: thanks for your work, it is really appreciated. Pe requires a big rework to get it up to date with the current industry standards. Hovewer it have some great features what i'd like to see in Koder too.[16:57:32] <miqlas-H64> Will do more issues later to cover the missing features.[17:00:49] *** Guma <Guma!~Guma@2601:249:301:6a33:510e:f512:69f9:ec78> has joined #haiku[17:01:01] <miqlas-H64> Hi Guma! How doing today?[17:01:05] <KapiX> miqlas-H64 great :) I'll try to address as much of them as possible[17:01:10] <KapiX> as many*[17:01:45] <miqlas-H64> KapiX: please, do not overstress yourself, we need programs, but most importantly programmers, who have fun.[17:04:21] <KapiX> miqlas-H64 you might want to file a report on TextSearch, since it is hardcoded to open Pe[17:05:00] <Diver> eh, can't install neither mpv nor mplayer[17:05:36] <Diver> problem 1: nothing provides lib:libpng_x86>=16.17.0 needed by mplayer_x86-1.1.1-3[17:05:36] <Diver> solution 1:[17:05:36] <Diver> - do not install "providing mplayer_x86"[17:07:19] <PulkoMandy> Begasu: it could be that something in the depot depends on 16.26 already, but only 16.20 is available there[17:07:34] <PulkoMandy> Begasus: ^[17:07:42] <miqlas-H64> Diver, you could update booth recipes, really straigtforvard, just replace libpg to libpng16[17:07:55] <PulkoMandy> I would try without --get-dependencies, and manually installing the dependencies to see the exact pkgman output[17:08:05] <PulkoMandy> then it should be more obvious which package has that problem[17:08:38] <Diver> without --get-dependencies it builds all sort of recipes first[17:08:51] <Diver> miqlas-H64: libpng is not in mpv recipe[17:08:55] <miqlas-H64> PulkoMandy: great news, i got the D-Wave's qbsolv compiled on Haiku, so Haiku is ready to make quantum computation.[17:09:53] <PulkoMandy> :)[17:10:02] <miqlas-H64> Diver: : then what's wrong with mpv? (btw: had anybody success with mpv? I tested the binary, made some own build, but it never played anything or crashed after some frames. Mplayer works as expected)[17:10:47] <Diver> iirc, video output is broken in mpv[17:10:57] <Diver> or was it audio…[17:13:28] <miqlas-H64> Diver, i think i got it to play some audiofiles, but had problems with video files.[17:14:12] <miqlas-H64> it using SDL ouput, maybe somebody should update the mplayer's Haiku A/V code to mpv[17:14:28] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev50867 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=fd7a786b06e5+%5E26d416448112[17:14:29] <HAIKU-irker458> fd7a786b06e5: qt5: update to 5.6, a package which can be installed.[17:14:37] <miqlas-H64> Diver, any report about kbuild?[17:14:50] <miqlas-H64> YEEEEY, QT![17:14:56] <miqlas-H64> Thanks, PulkoMandy ![17:15:34] <miqlas-H64> PulkoMandy: does it have the old webkit code?[17:16:04] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-rmwpormjbvdryjdr> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[17:16:15] <PulkoMandy> I have no idea[17:16:36] <PulkoMandy> just built the recipe, no one could tell me if it was complete and no one marks it as broken in haikuports, so…[17:17:09] <Diver> miqlas-H64: yes, I PM'ed you[17:18:46] <miqlas-H64> PulkoMandy: you did it right, i'll test it tonight[17:19:29] <miqlas-H64> PulkoMandy: qbsolv required a minor patch in this line : "const int QLEN 20;" gcc meant it requires an = so i changed it to "const int QLEN=20;". Is it correct?[17:19:30] <Begasus> yeah seems like it PulkoMandy ... just looked inside the package that is installed and it only declares 16.20.0, just strange the only one asking for a more recent one is pango :/[17:20:27] <Begasus> just rebuild libpng here ...[17:21:20] <PulkoMandy> miqlas-H64: looks right, yes[17:21:35] <Diver> bummer, mplayer_x86 doesn't even build anymore[17:21:36] <Diver> libpostproc/postprocess_template.c: In function 'dering_MMX2':[17:21:36] <Diver> libpostproc/postprocess_template.c:1097:5: error: 'asm' operand has impossible constraints[17:21:42] <miqlas-H64> KapiX: OMG, i found a bug! If i drop a file onto the Koder window, it opens it 2! times.[17:21:45] <PulkoMandy> Begasus: is it pango itself, or some dependency?[17:21:55] <PulkoMandy> Diver: try adding -fno-PIC to compiler flags([17:22:00] <punsith> how to o update and rebase on master branch to the latest from haikuports.[17:22:06] <PulkoMandy> (this can free some registers normally used by GCC itself)[17:22:21] <KapiX> miqlas-H64 I know, this is an issue in our Scintilla port[17:22:28] <KapiX> I've already fixed it in master[17:22:39] <miqlas-H64> KapiX: grat, thanks for the info[17:23:03] <Begasus> pango itself I think PulkoMandy ... no problems building the other ones here[17:23:20] <miqlas-H64> Guys, is there a way to rename a git branch?[17:23:51] <Diver> PulkoMandy: Unknown parameter: -fno-PIC[17:24:17] <Begasus> ok building now PulkoMandy (after I installed the new one from recipe)[17:25:06] <PulkoMandy> miqlas-H64: git checkout theBranch ; git checkout -b newName ; git branch -d theBranch (creates a new branch at the same commit then delete the first one)[17:25:20] <PulkoMandy> (you will lose the "upstream" and other things tied to the branch, however)[17:25:52] *** Ace__ <Ace__!7da13118@gateway/web/freenode/ip.125.161.49.24> has joined #haiku[17:26:09] <Begasus> git mv?[17:26:28] <Begasus> grabbing pango_x86-1.40.3-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg and moving it to /boot/home/haikuports/packages/pango_x86-1.40.3-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg :D[17:26:59] <Ace__> hmm, where is beinterface creator recipe??[17:26:59] <Begasus> seems the second lib:libpng(15) is not needed in the recipe for pango ...[17:27:21] <PulkoMandy> just remove it :)[17:27:27] <miqlas-H64> Ehehe: https://github.com/dwavesystems/qbsolv/pull/14[17:27:32] <Begasus> double checking ;)[17:27:46] <PulkoMandy> it seems unlikely that the two versions of the lib are needed anyway[17:28:10] <miqlas-H64> Begasus, PulkoMandy : git branch -m oldname newname[17:29:05] <miqlas-H64> Diver: you could update the mplayer patchset in haikuports....[17:30:22] <Diver> miqlas-H64: patchset already has extra_cflags="-fno-pic[17:30:41] <miqlas-H64> PulkoMandy: is it theretically possibe to use 2 different version fro the same lib in a program?[17:31:33] <miqlas-H64> Diver: it couldbe, but is not enough, try with extra_cflags="-fno-pic -fno-PIC"[17:31:46] <miqlas-H64> just to be sure.[17:32:18] <Diver> will do. but is there a difference?[17:32:41] <miqlas-H64> Maybe you could use the top secret cflag: "-flook-gcc-i-kno-it-better-than-you-just-please-do-not-PIC-this-damn-thing"[17:33:03] <PulkoMandy> miqlas-H64: it depends, usually the lib must be designed for it[17:33:09] <PulkoMandy> for example it is possible with ICU[17:33:39] <PulkoMandy> Diver: there is a subtle difference between pic and PIC, yes. Not sure it matters for us but you never know[17:33:47] <miqlas-H64> I have this strange feeling, that this way aren't welcomed, right?[17:36:00] <Begasus> hmm ... now pango builds even without lib:libpng*! 0_°[17:36:23] <miqlas-H64> i had a month long vacation, now it freezing cold in my flat. Ouch.[17:36:40] <miqlas-H64> Begasus: miracle![17:36:44] * Begasus wants SNOW![17:36:48] <Begasus> hehe[17:37:20] <miqlas-H64> Begasus: please delete your work folder and try again[17:37:21] <Begasus> those lib dependencies can be a pain in the ***[17:37:35] <Begasus> already at it :)[17:38:14] <miqlas-H64> however if it isn't decalred in the recipe, it wouldn't attached to the chroot env. Check the config.h or what WITH and WITHOUT libpng.[17:38:26] <miqlas-H64> Maybe you lost some features[17:39:03] <Begasus> freetype needs libpng (iirc) so maybe it's chroot'd by that one ...[17:39:17] <PulkoMandy> Begasus: actually I think that's the case for a lot of software[17:39:35] <PulkoMandy> we removed .la files, which solved a problem that transitive dependencies became explicit[17:39:58] <Begasus> yeah, like fontconfig earlier[17:40:03] <PulkoMandy> I mean, for example, if you had pango > cairo > libpng (made up example), then you would have to tell that pango depends on libpng in the recipe[17:40:04] <PulkoMandy> yes[17:40:16] <miqlas-H64> PulkoMandy: you bloody covby, you just killed my Vision. I know, you already fixed it, but i'm sitting in a pub, doing internet trough my phone mobile internet, maybe it isn't the best place for update[17:40:18] <PulkoMandy> now that this issue is fixed, in most cases, it is not needed anymore to specify this[17:40:24] <miqlas-H64> * cowboy[17:40:26] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3299 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed jam @release-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/3299 blamelist: Adrien Destugues <pulkomandy at pulkomandy dot tk>[17:40:30] <Diver> PulkoMandy: miqlas-H64 -fno-PIC didn't work[17:40:52] <Begasus> anyway, that would be other updates on recipes aside from this one :)[17:41:55] <Begasus> png isn't chroot'd ...[17:42:23] <Begasus> probably libbz2 isn't needed also anymore then ...[17:42:42] <miqlas-H64> PulkoMandy: i made a round with DesktopEditors, but it failed just 1 sec after the "make"[17:44:35] <miqlas-H64> PulkoMandy: a serious question: if i define LDFAGS="-libxy" what not really required for this program, will it be also linked against -lxy"? Will i see it in objdump -x output?[17:45:01] *** Emrys <Emrys!~emrys@92.87.13.132> has joined #haiku[17:45:02] <miqlas-H64> So if i define -lbsd for all my ports, will gcc include it somehow in the binary?[17:45:34] *** Ace__ <Ace__!7da13118@gateway/web/freenode/ip.125.161.49.24> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[17:45:38] <miqlas-H64> In this case the program compiles fine without -lbsd.[17:47:02] <miqlas-H64> I expect that the linker checks all the symbols, trying to resolve them, and includes only the minimum subset from the libs what really needed.[17:49:52] <Emrys> not sure if we should approve incomplete work for this task? https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/4865339668037632[17:50:07] <PulkoMandy> miqlas-H64: depends if it is static or dynamic libraries[17:50:22] <PulkoMandy> and I have to go now, sorry[17:53:23] <miqlas-H64> Bye![18:01:31] *** Emrys <Emrys!~emrys@92.87.13.132> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[18:05:45] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@150.237.94.36> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[18:06:29] <Begasus> http://pastebin.com/JY1LMJPZ[18:06:50] <Begasus> seems that there are more dependencies not needed anymore for pango ...[18:06:52] *** KapiX <KapiX!~kacper@89-65-138-76.dynamic.chello.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: KapiX)[18:07:07] <punsith> how to update and rebase on master branch to the latest from haikuports.[18:08:27] <Begasus> git pull origin master? depending on how your remote is set I'm guessing[18:08:57] <Begasus> but I'm not a master here ;) (am pleased enough I can keep up and update my own tree with haikuports one now) :)[18:09:42] <miqlas-H64> punsith: do not do that![18:10:16] <miqlas-H64> explain first why you need to update and rebase on master! It shouldn't necessary.[18:10:55] <punsith> on my PR old files and changes are shown still , the were already merged to master branch[18:11:08] <punsith> https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/pull/1057[18:11:30] <miqlas-H64> Begasus: as you already know, there is "build-time deps" and "runtime deps".[18:11:47] <miqlas-H64> you should analyze the config.h with and without some libs.[18:12:33] <Begasus> I've checked the config.log when changing, so far it looks ok[18:12:35] <miqlas-H64> If you got the thing compiled, you can check the runtime deps with "objdump -x somlib"[18:13:13] <miqlas-H64> punsith: from india?[18:13:16] <Begasus> do I need to install first miqlas-H64 or can I check that in the source folder for instance?[18:13:54] <miqlas-H64> punsith: you made more than one recipe in one branch. You should create an own branch for all of them from MASTER branch.[18:14:09] <punsith> no born in Sri Lanka[18:14:11] <punsith> :)[18:14:39] <miqlas-H64> because maybe there is some changes, what already correct, but as you have more than ont thing in your PR, it couldn't be merges as long as all of them fixed.[18:15:17] <punsith> now i must change make a new branch ?[18:15:18] <Paradoxon> miqlas-H64 sorry i was away thanks for the answer but its the other way around... i want ot konw where IndexServerAddOn is compiled to (either Index_server or libbe.so??)[18:15:19] <miqlas-H64> Begasus: not config.log but config.h, and it generated during the configuring stage[18:15:31] <punsith> or deleate the hexvexed on master branch[18:15:50] <miqlas-H64> Paradoxon: sorry, i cannot follow you. Try to explain with other words please.[18:16:49] <Paradoxon> :-)[18:17:05] <Begasus> that one looks ok also miqlas-H64 :) the HAVE_ stuff seems to be right (cairo and freetype)[18:17:08] <Paradoxon> i have this file https://github.com/haiku/haiku/blob/master/src/add-ons/index_server/IndexServerAddOn.cpp[18:17:20] <Paradoxon> and i want to know when i run jam haiku[18:17:34] <miqlas-H64> punsith, let me explain, how i do my PR's: i notice, that something needs update or change, then i create a branch for this thing. Let's say it is libmiqlas. So i create a branch from master with "git checkout -b libmiqlas_update". Then i do my changes here, but nothing else. I push then this branch to github and create a PR.[18:17:36] <Paradoxon> where it will go in the finished haiku :)[18:17:51] <miqlas-H64> For other thing i create an another branch from master, and do the changes there.[18:18:19] <Begasus> oh no a libmiqlas! :D[18:19:06] <miqlas-H64> Paradoxon: i'm not well educated in Haiku jamfiles, so sorry, i cannot help you. I think you try to enable index_server in Haiku build, right?[18:19:20] <miqlas-H64> then libjaegermeisster[18:19:54] <Begasus> ;)[18:19:54] <miqlas-H64> I'm already linked dynamically with -ljaegermeister[18:20:12] <miqlas-H64> it is a runtime dependency[18:20:13] <Begasus> sticking with libhop :)[18:20:16] <Begasus> hehe[18:21:36] <punsith> okay then i on my first pr I did it on master branch , then again i change it to a new one but still it showing the change i did on master , even i make a new branch it comes[18:21:56] <miqlas-H64> Begasus: long time ago, durin the highschool i was surprised, why i can't be the first as we had to run on sport things. Now i know. *Some* dependencies missed.[18:22:17] <Paradoxon> actually i try to find out what lib i need to compile with debug enabled to make stop points in the debugger in this file :-D[18:22:32] <Begasus> :)[18:23:28] <miqlas-H64> punsith: let me explain again. I'm on master, i want to change libmiqlas, i create a new branch with "git branch -b libmiqlas_update", make my changes, and push it to github with "git push", then i need to SWITCH BACK to master, and start the next task in another branch. But i need to switch back first to master[18:24:26] <miqlas-H64> if i don't switch back to master, then i make a subbranch in libmiqlas_update, so it wil lcontain every changes what i did in libmiqlas_update. You don't want to do that. Every task MUST go to different branches[18:25:15] <miqlas-H64> Paradoxon: can you build itwith debug symbols already?[18:26:17] <miqlas-H64> Paradoxon: did we already met at BG?[18:26:55] <Paradoxon> not shure[18:27:05] <Paradoxon> its long long ago that i have been..[18:27:05] <miqlas-H64> If you can already build it with debug symbols, then you can check the dependencies with objdump -x something, if not, i have no idea.[18:27:18] <Paradoxon> i was the rundumvideo guy[18:27:21] <miqlas-H64> Paradoxon: when was you there last time?[18:27:21] <Paradoxon> :-D[18:27:39] <Paradoxon> preseting rundumvideo i guess something aroung 2004 or 2005 ..[18:28:01] <Paradoxon> :-D[18:28:16] <Begasus> could be that we've met back then Paradoxon ;)[18:28:18] <miqlas-H64> Ok, then not. I have already met with some german guys (TeamMaui) at BG, i thought you are on of them.[18:29:12] <miqlas-H64> BTW, what happend with TeamMaui?[18:29:16] <Paradoxon> pretty shure Begasus[18:29:17] <Paradoxon> :-D[18:29:31] <miqlas-H64> punsith: have you understood my explanation?[18:29:31] <Paradoxon> miqlas-H64 no i not[18:29:39] <Paradoxon> but i konw some of them :-D[18:29:40] <Begasus> k ... filed a first draft for the libpng issue on some things I did earlier[18:29:51] <miqlas-H64> Paradoxon: why not? You are also from DE, right?[18:29:57] <Paradoxon> jep[18:30:05] <Paradoxon> back in these days leipzig[18:30:07] <Paradoxon> :-D[18:30:10] <miqlas-H64> Guten Abend und grüssle aus Stuttgart.[18:30:18] <Paradoxon> :-D[18:30:28] <miqlas-H64> Leberkäs[18:30:38] <Paradoxon> lecker[18:30:40] <miqlas-H64> Hefeweizen[18:30:45] <Paradoxon> da gibts nen haiku-de channel :-D[18:30:49] <Begasus> Paradoxon were you also there at one point where we've met in Germany with Stargater, DassJott, Markus and the others?[18:30:53] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:31:04] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/64cad9a9c561...84867cad84a6[18:31:06] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] xdizzaster 84867ca - lrzsz: added recipe (#1047)[18:31:06] <Begasus> am Rein (iirc)[18:31:25] <Paradoxon> hmm not shure.. i was to the alpharelease party in cologne :)[18:31:25] <miqlas-H64> Paradoxon: there is a haiku.os-hu channel too.[18:31:37] <Begasus> ah k :)[18:32:09] <punsith> yes i did it , first i made a branch and deleted it because of this[18:32:18] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[18:32:21] <miqlas-H64> Paradoxon: SHURE is a headphone manufacture company. The word you searching for is "sure", i think.[18:33:12] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-4/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/84867cad84a6...e4f515b6baf6[18:33:13] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] miqlas e4f515b - irssi: bump version, removed old recipes and patchfiles. (#1005)[18:33:15] <Begasus> waddlesplash ... you're fast ;)[18:33:26] <waddlesplash> Begasus: yes, when I'm around. :)[18:33:31] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has joined #haiku[18:33:31] *** HaikuUser is now known as Dane__[18:33:31] <punsith> but i think in the bigining i made change on my master branch[18:33:39] <waddlesplash> hey, it's Dane__![18:33:45] <Begasus> Dane__![18:33:58] <Dane__> Howdy waddlesplash, Begasus![18:34:12] <miqlas-H64> YEEY, irssi![18:34:13] <Paradoxon> miqlas-H64 i also like shure :) ...[18:34:16] <Begasus> how's the weather there Dane__? you got snow?[18:34:43] <Dane__> Begasus Plenty of snow, yes. :-) About 18" on the ground right now, I'd say. About 10 above zero, F.[18:34:44] <miqlas-H64> waddlesplash: you couldmerge my 3d acceleration branch too.[18:34:50] <waddlesplash> miqlas-H64: link?[18:34:50] <miqlas-H64> If you can find it.[18:34:55] <Begasus> bugger ...[18:34:56] <Dane__> Begasus How aboutby you?[18:35:10] <Begasus> no snow here, it has been snowing, but it doesn't stick :/[18:35:13] <waddlesplash> Dane__: fwiw, the new Haiku website is almost ready for launch[18:35:40] <miqlas-H64> waddlesplash: do not stress yourself, it was a joke.[18:36:02] <waddlesplash> Dane__: https://haiku.netlify.com/ in case you haven't seen it yet[18:36:10] <waddlesplash> miqlas-H64: ikt :p[18:36:21] <miqlas-H64> BTW, i'll try to update the FreeBSD Wlan things.... Or better to say: i have a plan for that.[18:37:37] *** Klima <Klima!~Klima@static-78-8-176-191.ssp.dialog.net.pl> has joined #haiku[18:37:49] <miqlas-H64> Dobre Vircsur![18:39:04] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/e4f515b6baf6...82b2abfc6eb8[18:39:05] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] raefaldhia 82b2abf - stockfish: new recipe for a chess engine (#1052)[18:39:40] <Dane__> Has anyone else tried installing qbrows?[18:39:52] <Dane__> waddlesplash looking...[18:39:54] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/82b2abfc6eb8...ea482d4a386d[18:39:56] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] miqlas ea482d4 - libuv: bump version, improved patchset. (#1044)[18:40:58] <Dane__> waddlesplash cool! What is new in the new site?[18:41:12] <miqlas-H64> libuv! Great![18:41:25] <miqlas-H64> Dane__: i think the static site generator tool[18:41:34] <waddlesplash> Dane__: it's served from a global CDN instead of our own servers, so faster page load times; it uses Bootstrap under the hood, so it will look great on small screens (phones) too[18:41:44] <waddlesplash> Dane__: and it's much, much easier to maintain. :p[18:42:01] <Dane__> waddlesplash that last point is a biggie![18:42:27] <waddlesplash> yep[18:42:45] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[18:43:11] <miqlas-H64> Klima: prose pivo![18:43:17] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/ea482d4a386d...1c305f73430d[18:43:18] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] miqlas 1c305f7 - Msgpack-c-cpp: bump version, recipe cleanup (#1045)[18:43:48] <Klima> :)[18:44:41] <miqlas-H64> Msgpack! Yeees, waddle merging all of my PRs![18:45:12] <miqlas-H64> Klima: which part of Poland are you from?[18:45:30] <miqlas-H64> Klima: i was in Krakkow and in Rzeszów already.[18:45:38] <Klima> wroclaw[18:45:42] <Klima> have 80 km[18:45:46] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/1c305f73430d...acea98226507[18:45:47] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] dacianf acea982 - libsmf-1.3: new recipe (#1053)[18:46:08] <Klima> im work 10 years in krakow[18:46:28] <Klima> what you are doing in poland miqlas-H64 ?[18:46:38] <miqlas-H64> Never been there, but Polak, Węgier, dwa bratanki, i do szabli, i do szklanki.[18:47:04] <miqlas-H64> just do not let me try to say that if i'm drunk.[18:47:19] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/acea98226507...307099727e6c[18:47:21] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] miqlas 3070997 - swig : bump version (#1043)[18:47:43] <miqlas-H64> Nope, i'm Wengri, currently in Deutschland/Germany.[18:48:02] <miqlas-H64> swig too, great![18:48:29] <Paradoxon> B_SYSTEM_DIRECTORY will return /boot/system ???[18:48:36] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@37.164.140.115> has joined #haiku[18:48:36] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@37.164.140.115> has quit IRC (Changing host)[18:48:36] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has joined #haiku[18:48:38] <Paradoxon> what whill give me / ??[18:48:42] <Paradoxon> the pure root?[18:48:55] <miqlas-H64> Paradoxon: : you can check it with finddir.[18:49:03] <Klima> miqlas-H64 yep :)[18:49:13] <Paradoxon> ohh cool[18:49:14] <Paradoxon> thanks[18:49:16] <miqlas-H64> finddir B_SYSTEM_DIRECTORY[18:49:55] <miqlas-H64> Paradoxon: finddir -l shows you all the constants[18:50:37] <miqlas-H64> But i have fear there is no constant for /[18:50:45] <miqlas-H64> but what do you want in /?[18:52:02] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/307099727e6c...02ad30c69653[18:52:04] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] miqlas 02ad30c - KBuild: Build fix, recipe cleanup (#1033)[18:52:05] <miqlas-H64> Klima, there is a polonish Haiku webite, i think haiku-os.pl, i met already with somebody from there. We had planty beers ind a nice discussion in 2007[18:52:07] <Paradoxon> ok and /boot/[18:52:11] <Paradoxon> ?[18:52:25] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/02ad30c69653...dc9e690e6f96[18:52:26] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus dc9e690 - pango, remove not needed dependencies (#1071)[18:52:30] <miqlas-H64> waddlesplash: OMG! You shouldn't merge that![18:52:36] <miqlas-H64> REVERT![18:52:38] <waddlesplash> miqlas-H64: ? it looked ok to me[18:52:39] <Klima> the haiku in poland die some time ago, drknoto want to reactivate it ;)[18:52:41] <miqlas-H64> it is WIP![18:52:45] <waddlesplash> miqlas-H64: does it build?[18:53:09] <Paradoxon> the old index_server stored everything in /.IndexServer[18:53:09] <miqlas-H64> waddlesplash: yes, but it doesn1t packages correctly.[18:53:16] <waddlesplash> what does that mean?[18:53:41] <Paradoxon> ok i correct myself since packagemangement it stores it in /boot/.IndexServer[18:54:05] <miqlas-H64> Paradoxon: : do not use dot files, and not in root, if you can redefine it, please use B_SYSTEM_TEMP_DIRECTORY[18:54:18] <waddlesplash> miqlas-H64: what does "doesn't packages correctly" mean?[18:54:19] <Paradoxon> i didnt do this :-D[18:54:33] <Paradoxon> but i would not store it under temp[18:54:37] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports] waddlesplash created branch revert-1033-kbuild_x64 - https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports[18:54:39] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to revert-1033-kbuild_x64 [+1/-1/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/commit/0974cc30edf6[18:54:40] <miqlas-H64> waddlesplash: it doesn't generate a correct package yet. IT is i really strange thing, believe me.[18:54:41] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash 0974cc3 - Revert "KBuild: Build fix, recipe cleanup, WIP"[18:55:02] <miqlas-H64> Paradoxon: B_SYSTEM_DATA_DIRECTORY?[18:55:02] <Paradoxon> because it contains all the data for IndexServer and the CatchUp Management[18:55:04] <Begasus> you're on a roll waddlesplash :D[18:55:04] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/dc9e690e6f96...84c3ecef6463[18:55:05] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash 84c3ece - Revert "KBuild: Build fix, recipe cleanup, WIP" (#1072)[18:55:07] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash deleted branch revert-1033-kbuild_x64[18:55:08] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports] waddlesplash deleted branch revert-1033-kbuild_x64 - https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports[18:55:17] <Paradoxon> i guess i need to rewrite it then :-D[18:55:24] <Paradoxon> is B_SYSTEM_DATA_DIRECTORY writeable?[18:55:31] <miqlas-H64> waddlesplash: thank you[18:55:52] <waddlesplash> np[18:55:59] <Paradoxon> no its not[18:56:10] <Paradoxon> hmm i guess it should more belong into settings file...[18:56:17] <Paradoxon> settings folder or??[18:56:24] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±12] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/84c3ecef6463...2df68ae5bd73[18:56:25] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 2df68ae - Fixing libpng dependencies after the new updated libpng (#1070)[18:57:32] <miqlas-H64> waddlesplash: it isn't an auto* project, it doesn't respect the predefined paths, and try to install everything INTREE/$prefix. I tried to define plenty different ways that it shouldn't do that, but it does. I have no idea, how can i install things in the correct place, ad i don't want to move them with mv.[18:58:25] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/2df68ae5bd73...1061d46735c5[18:58:27] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] miqlas 1061d46 - Qemu: bump version, updated patchset (#877)[18:58:59] <miqlas-H64> Klima: nice to hear that the Haiku.pl live yet. I wish all the best for the user group![18:59:21] <Klima> its not os web[18:59:30] <Klima> its japan haiku or like that[18:59:35] <Klima> is sad :)[18:59:56] <miqlas-H64> do you mean it isn't haiku.pl, but haiku-os.pl?[19:00:46] <Klima> no, the haiku.pl and haiku-os.pl domains its resale for no haiku os people[19:00:57] <Paradoxon> where should it go either in /boot/system/settings or to /boot/home/config/settings ???[19:00:59] <Paradoxon> and when should it be /boot/.../settings/IndexServer or /boot/.../settings/index_server[19:00:59] <miqlas-H64> oh.[19:01:16] <Klima> its only domains in use and its no any coopoerative to haiku os[19:01:32] <miqlas-H64> Paradoxon: there is only one user in Haiku. It is a system daemon, so i ould say user_settings[19:01:34] <Klima> im know 30 - or 50 users of haiku :) in pl[19:02:24] <miqlas-H64> Klima: i never dreamed about so great user base in PL. NICE![19:02:42] <miqlas-H64> We are around 3-4 people in Hungary.[19:02:50] <Klima> some never know if its projects run on haiku ;>[19:03:12] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/1061d46735c5...cbb0239967fb[19:03:12] <Klima> using haiku os on industrial, scada monitor[19:03:14] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] return cbb0239 - new recipe: powder-toy (#848)[19:03:23] <Klima> via open plc and modbus ethernet ;][19:03:47] <miqlas-H64> Klima: Really? Fascinating! Can you get more info about it? It would be nice to read detail about it.[19:04:06] <Klima> no, its cut of current from etheret :)[19:04:43] <miqlas-H64> I think the haiku-os.org admins would make a front-page artice about it. It is the greatest thing as long as we aren't ready with out Haiku based spaceship.[19:06:01] <Paradoxon> miqlas-H64 i guess i go for /boot/home/config/settings/index_server but i need to kind of rewrite all the code then ... because index_server stores volumen specific informations normaly in the root fo the volumen..[19:06:24] * Paradoxon needs to think about this..[19:06:28] <miqlas-H64> Klima: no, i mean do you know who designed and inmplemented it? It would be nice to read a n interciew with the author. Why he selected Haiku as OS, what whas the shortcomings, what kinde of problems he had, how it works, etc. Of course if it isn't top secret.[19:06:41] <Klima> its realy good[19:06:54] <Klima> and stable and fast to implemeting my functions[19:06:58] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/cbb0239967fb...9f81e2d87250[19:06:59] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] miqlas 9f81e2d - Otter browser: new recipe (#1006)[19:07:05] <miqlas-H64> Klima: : did you made it?[19:07:13] <Klima> 3 years ago[19:07:20] <Klima> and have 100 - 150 worksations[19:07:21] <Klima> on it[19:07:24] <miqlas-H64> Why we never heard about it?[19:07:45] <Klima> it protuction info only interface as secondary monitor[19:08:12] <miqlas-H64> Klima: please, let us make an interview with you then![19:08:16] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/9f81e2d87250...651dbea97131[19:08:17] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] miqlas 651dbea - LibGIT2 Haiku recipe (#752)[19:08:53] <miqlas-H64> Give us you email address, to contact you directly, i think plenty people interrested in your story.[19:09:20] <Klima> my boss is not very good to see it on ethernet[19:09:57] <Klima> is simply klima at klima dot atm.pl '[19:10:26] <Klima> im using a hmi as ibm t60[19:10:30] <Klima> work perfect[19:10:36] <Klima> uptimes of 400 days[19:11:19] <miqlas-H64> Klima: is it an active project? Is it an up-to-date Haiku? Do you using any kind of special Haiku features?[19:12:01] <Klima> whean im build a hmi using current nigtly :)[19:12:26] <miqlas-H64> Klima: is it some kind of power plant or governemnt thing? Are you actually allowed to talk abut it?[19:12:46] <Klima> yes, its using on water power plants[19:13:09] <Klima> all automation is based on simens[19:13:12] <Klima> 1200 or 1500[19:13:15] <miqlas-H64> More than onecomputer? Does it works realibly?[19:13:53] <Klima> testet in 5 on time[19:14:05] <Klima> but productive never have more than 3[19:14:06] <miqlas-H64> Do you require any special assistance or patches? Haiku inc should support you technically.[19:14:30] <Klima> web browser must work good :D and etheret enviroment too[19:14:39] <Klima> all other is stable[19:14:43] <Klima> using one platform[19:14:46] <Klima> ibm t60[19:14:49] <miqlas-H64> Can i as was it your idea to use Haiku for this thing?[19:15:04] <Klima> like it and its fast[19:15:04] <Klima> :D[19:15:24] <Klima> im dont want to thing about drivers for video and other[19:15:40] <Klima> install configure and work it[19:15:48] <Klima> thats all.[19:16:22] <Klima> im made it when android have 1.0[19:17:11] <miqlas-H64> Klima: you know, what this system requires, i think it is an ethernet based status monitor thing. Why did you selected Haiku for this task? Everybody know, linux is undestructable. Why did you made it with Haiku?[19:17:30] <miqlas-H64> Klima: DO NOT TELL US TOP SECRET THINGS[19:18:15] <Klima> im selected because im like a beos in 2000 year ;D[19:18:34] <Klima> my dream its haiku kick off os x[19:18:45] <miqlas-H64> nice :)[19:19:09] <Klima> im wery want do run kicad on haiku ;D[19:19:09] <miqlas-H64> Nice to see that Haiku capable to do serious tasks like that.[19:19:27] <miqlas-H64> Klima: PulkoMandy working on it, i think.[19:20:05] <miqlas-H64> Klima: can you explain us, what kind of features do you like to see in Haiku in the future? What would help you to do your job?[19:20:07] <Klima> im last see a haikuports 2016 ;][19:20:48] <Klima> im dont know what im want, but work you work good ;][19:20:52] <miqlas-H64> I don1t really understand you, can you explain a bit more about haikuports?[19:21:18] <Klima> some time ago im think to be linux compatible...[19:21:24] <Klima> drivers....[19:21:25] <miqlas-H64> If there is some program, what you require, i can try to port them, just tell me.[19:21:26] <Klima> oh :D[19:21:54] <Klima> no all for my projects in sc/da have ok ;][19:22:17] <Klima> do you work as you do :D[19:23:09] <Klima> sorry for a while ;)[19:23:12] <miqlas-H64> do you require any support? In programming or in hardware support? If i understand you correctly, the main platform is T60. It is a bit old, is there any plan to update the hardware?[19:23:21] <miqlas-H64> Do you need any assistance there?[19:23:58] <miqlas-H64> Klima: have you any own Haiku based projects right now?[19:24:11] <miqlas-H64> except this Scuda thing, of course.[19:26:06] <miqlas-H64> OMG: https://github.com/dwavesystems/qbsolv/pull/14#event-923268537[19:26:20] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/651dbea97131...a24551b5a987[19:26:22] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] miqlas a24551b - Recipe for STFL (#525)[19:27:03] <miqlas-H64> OMG, STFL?![19:27:56] <miqlas-H64> waddlesplash: i need to say, i have no up-to-date info about it. i'm not sure if it compiles cleanly on current Haiku, it isn't my prio-1 task. I think it is better to revert this.[19:28:32] * waddlesplash shrugs[19:28:48] <miqlas-H64> Paradoxon: have you wrote an PM for me on IRC?[19:28:50] <waddlesplash> I'll leave it, good starting point anway[19:28:58] <punsith> is tcl and tcl_devil librarys are not working with x86_64 latest build :/ ?[19:29:21] <miqlas-H64> punsith: i'm on x86_64, theoretically it works, but lemme check.[19:29:26] <Paradoxon> No[19:29:35] <punsith> okay[19:29:43] <Paradoxon> did i miss something?? miqlas-H64?[19:29:55] <Paradoxon> :-D[19:30:20] <miqlas-H64> punsith: ther is tcl and tcl_devel for x86_64, but i have nothing to test it right now.[19:30:35] <miqlas-H64> punsith: do you have problems with it?[19:31:01] <miqlas-H64> Paradoxon: maybe it was Diver, sorry about the noise.[19:31:08] <Paradoxon> :-D[19:31:23] <Paradoxon> does anyone knows how long a BVolumen name can be??[19:31:41] <Paradoxon> shell i use B_FILE_NAME_LENGTH to initalize the char for the name??[19:32:20] <miqlas-H64> i think it is 256 char, but i'm not sure[19:32:26] <punsith> miqlas-H64 yes i am trying to build recipe tuxtacer but tcl and tcl_devil lirary cant resolved error apiear[19:32:34] <punsith> then i install them manually[19:32:40] <punsith> but errors remain[19:33:00] <miqlas-H64> punsith: try to search for it first with "pkgman search tcl"[19:34:17] <miqlas-H64> if they installed, you can check the hpkgs in /boot/system/packages with Expander (right mouse click, open with), it will show you the PROVIDES[19:34:36] <punsith> okay i will lokk[19:34:38] <punsith> look[19:35:40] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[19:35:56] <miqlas-H64> punsith: it Expander clock on the Show contents button, and at the beginning it will show you the package details.[19:35:59] *** euver <euver!~Thunderbi@p54A29227.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[19:36:51] <miqlas-H64> punsith: it shows me lib:libtcl8.5 and devel:libtclstub8.5[19:36:54] <Begasus> tuxracer still building fine here[19:38:00] *** euver <euver!~Thunderbi@p54A29227.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[19:38:06] <Begasus> lib:libtcl8.5 #tcl version in the recipe has to be set to >=8.0 instead of >=8.5[19:38:20] <Begasus> as described in the tuxracer recipe*[19:38:34] <Begasus> probably means you need to rebuild tcl[19:40:51] <Begasus> yep, seems I already did that one last year (local)[19:41:07] <punsith> need rebild the librry ??[19:41:22] <miqlas-H64> punsith: i wouldn't do that.[19:41:29] <Begasus> no tcl (for tuxracer)[19:41:44] <miqlas-H64> create an issue on haikuports github, and let the admins or the packagers do that.[19:42:12] <punsith> i made a ishue and they said install library[19:42:25] <miqlas-H64> punsith: but you can check if tcl builds fine on every major platform.[19:42:35] <miqlas-H64> if not, you can send patches.[19:42:47] <punsith> how do do it[19:42:57] <miqlas-H64> pkgman install tcl[19:43:06] <Begasus> err ... do you have sdl installed?[19:43:08] <miqlas-H64> and pkgman install tcl_devel[19:43:23] *** qeos <qeos!~kvirc@37.204.81.98> has joined #haiku[19:43:53] <miqlas-H64> maybe you ned to use _x86 posfix (i mean instead of tcl ou could use tcl_x86 and instead of tcl_devel you could use tcl_x86_devel[19:44:02] <Begasus> ow sorry, I was only at the first screenshot :)[19:44:03] *** qeos|2 <qeos|2!~kvirc@37.204.81.98> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[19:44:24] <Klima> ok im back ;)[19:44:33] <Begasus> tcl doesn't have $secondaryArchSuffix miqlas-H64 ;)[19:45:03] <miqlas-H64> Hi Klima![19:45:13] <miqlas-H64> Klima: have you any own Haiku based projects right now?[19:45:29] <Klima> no :)[19:45:30] <miqlas-H64> Klima: except this scuda thing, ofc.[19:45:43] <miqlas-H64> are you using Haiku at home?[19:45:51] <Klima> but im using haiku as os to developing electronics[19:46:01] <Klima> im need a working arduino and kicad :D[19:46:22] <miqlas-H64> the arduino thing is available for Haiku, right?[19:46:36] <Klima> yes :)[19:46:39] <Klima> and it work[19:46:49] <Begasus> punsith ... try to make the changes in tcl recipe ( tcl = $portVersion compat >= 8.5 ... tcl = $portVersion compat >= 8.0) (and the other instances for 8.5 into 8.0) that should fix tuxracer atleast (after you rebuild tcl)[19:46:55] <miqlas-H64> then you need just kicad right now?[19:47:20] <Klima> yes[19:47:37] <miqlas-H64> Klima: i'll try to make a recipe for that at weekend.[19:47:42] <Klima> oh :)[19:48:09] <miqlas-H64> Klima: have you made anything else with Haiku? Is ther any way where we can help you?[19:48:29] <Klima> no :) its good for me :)[19:48:45] <miqlas-H64> Klima: Is there anything what you want to sy about Haiku? We can bear critic too.[19:48:58] <miqlas-H64> *say[19:49:05] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-100-216.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[19:49:07] <Klima> when im reading a back for fosdem 2016 or like that[19:49:10] <Klima> on the web[19:49:22] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-100-216.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[19:49:22] <Klima> its wery more to do ;)[19:49:45] <miqlas-H64> Yo like to see a Haiku stand at FOSDEM?[19:50:04] <miqlas-H64> *Would you like to see a Haiku stand at FOSDEM?[19:50:09] <Klima> yes.[19:50:25] <Klima> im present a haiku on robomaticon[19:50:27] <Klima> in pl[19:50:46] <Klima> and present it on all my programing and developing friends[19:50:57] <Klima> but still say is many things to do[19:51:01] <miqlas-H64> Sadly it is way beyond my capacity, but Fracois and PulkoMandy is really active in FOSS expos in French.[19:51:41] <punsith> begasus okay :D[19:52:09] <miqlas-H64> Klima: you have a special work area, can you tell us, is there any way to get bigget penetration for Haiku in your field?[19:52:54] <Klima> im work on developing and building 12 years a device software for havy duty machines[19:53:04] <Klima> like bosh rexroth and cummins drivers[19:53:11] <Klima> ecu and extensions[19:53:36] <Klima> on last some years work for industrial and modernize old machines[19:54:03] <miqlas-H64> Klima: You have meant there is plenty things to do. ŰI understand it so, that you would like to see plenty develope ment in Haiku. Have i understand it correctly? If so, then which field would be critical for you?[19:55:05] <Klima> stability[19:55:07] <Klima> at all[19:55:07] <Klima> :D[19:55:39] <Klima> when you have a stable os, libs, stable good aplications is sily to build[19:55:56] <miqlas-H64> Klima: is this scuda thing mission critical? Or can you survive with Haiku crash? Does it happens? Happens a lot?[19:56:59] <Klima> ok crash ok, but im must see whats hapens[19:57:05] <Klima> no like linux kernel panic ;>[19:57:24] <miqlas-H64> Klima: mabe you know, there is a plan for Haiku beta at the end of february, if i know it correctly. Do you have any wishes?[19:57:45] <Klima> still have pl lang :D[19:58:09] <Klima> and if you having beta whats next ?[19:58:20] <miqlas-H64> Klima: you told this scuda thing works with haiku since long time. Did you had any strage prblem with Haiku?[19:58:35] <miqlas-H64> beta2?[19:58:54] <Klima> and 3, 4, 5 :D give a users ready os :D[19:58:58] <miqlas-H64> I'm not sure, i'm not core developer.[19:59:32] <Klima> miqlas-H64 have usb problem whits freeze os[19:59:42] <Klima> on logsave function[19:59:48] <Klima> chine no name pendrive[20:00:06] <Klima> on the know marks its work fine ;][20:00:15] <miqlas-H64> Klima: it is something what i cannot guarantee fr you. But if you have anyp roblem with haiku, please, create an issue for it on dev.haiku-os.org.[20:00:16] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@x5d863ff2.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[20:00:38] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@ool-43514736.dyn.optonline.net> has joined #haiku[20:00:50] <Klima> its not that big problem to write and lost time for a little problems :D[20:01:03] *** HaikuUser3 <HaikuUser3!~vision@ool-43514736.dyn.optonline.net> has joined #haiku[20:01:25] <miqlas-H64> Klima: if i understand you correctly, then this scuda thing hav an "Save log" function, what works correctly with brand USB drives, but fails with chineese ones. Right?[20:01:38] <Klima> yes[20:01:40] <Klima> :)[20:02:14] <HaikuUser3> hi miglas and kima[20:02:23] <Klima> hi ;][20:02:38] <miqlas-H64> Okay, your platform (T60) have no USB3, but USB2. It means there is a roblem with USB2 communication. Are theese USB drives USB3?[20:02:54] <Klima> only usb2[20:02:56] <miqlas-H64> Hi HaikuUser3! How doing today?[20:03:19] <HaikuUser3> awesome[20:03:23] <miqlas-H64> Hi HaikuUser2 and HaikuUser too![20:03:24] <HaikuUser3> how are you[20:03:29] <miqlas-H64> Schön uten Abend![20:03:34] <Klima> im using that trick when a client use no haiku like pendrive have a information :>[20:03:35] <miqlas-H64> *guten[20:03:44] <Klima> and must use prefered for us :>[20:04:42] <HaikuUser3> das ist gut[20:04:52] <miqlas-H64> Klima: i cannot follow you. Do you mean, if somebody using "not supported" hardware, you mean they should use "supported" one?[20:05:01] <Klima> yep.[20:05:16] <Klima> configured and tested[20:05:28] <Klima> all other im cant guarante stability ;)[20:05:30] <Begasus> no fun in that[20:06:08] <Klima> in pl more chines low quality usb hardware ;/[20:06:25] <miqlas-H64> Klima: you know, the developers cannot test all the available hardware, so your solution is the only working one right now. But if you got KDL with an "unsupprted" one, you could post it on dev.haiku-os.org[20:06:39] <Klima> ok :)[20:07:10] <miqlas-H64> Klima: you meant there is UTP connection, isn't is possible to get the log trough Net?[20:07:25] *** Haiki <Haiki!~vision@x5d863ff2.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[20:07:28] <Klima> posible, but some time use a pendrive[20:07:34] <Klima> to go data to home[20:07:49] <HaikuUser3> i am running Haiku on an old emachines d620 that was no longer used due to windows vista causing it to crash[20:07:50] <Klima> plain text or xml[20:08:17] <HaikuUser3> wifi and ethernet working[20:08:31] <Klima> oh, wifi manager ! :D[20:08:41] <miqlas-H64> if somebody using an "unsupported" usb drive, does it makes an Haiku crash, or just isn't realible? (not readable on other computers, sometimes works, sometimes not?)[20:08:52] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@x5d863ff2.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[20:08:52] *** Haiki <Haiki!~vision@x5d863ff2.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:08:52] *** HaikuUser2 is now known as HaikuUser[20:08:57] <HaikuUser3> Previously installed Lubuntu, but caused crashing[20:09:17] <Klima> its readable but when im write to it like script creating text file on thath volume[20:09:24] <Klima> its freeze some times.[20:09:37] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash deleted branch 2017Q1[20:09:39] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports] waddlesplash deleted branch 2017Q1 - https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports[20:09:40] <miqlas-H64> HaikuUser3: is it works correctly with Haiku? Do you using a nightly?[20:10:08] <HaikuUser3> yes, i want to explore further[20:10:22] <miqlas-H64> Klima: freezing th OS is bad, it shouldn't happend. Any debuglog?[20:10:33] <Klima> no ;/[20:10:50] <Klima> the process still run[20:10:55] <Klima> and work[20:10:56] <HaikuUser3> haiku woking better than linux on emachines, 1gb ram, amd64[20:10:59] <miqlas-H64> Klima: do you have any USB drive what guarantted makes problems?[20:11:18] <Klima> any kind of kingstone is fine or sandisk[20:11:36] <HaikuUser3> also, reactOS and PC_BSD could not be run on same computer[20:11:38] <miqlas-H64> HaikuUser3: no experience with them, but nice to hear it. All of the HW supported on Haiku? Audio?[20:12:01] <HaikuUser3> let me see[20:12:56] <miqlas-H64> Klima: if you happend to have any USB drive what generates problems, you can send it to a Haiku developer, to let it examinated (I can pay the postal costs, just tell me)[20:13:24] <Klima> its no be nessesery, but its nice[20:13:36] <Klima> no big problem :)[20:13:46] <miqlas-H64> HaikuUser3: do you have native resolution on your screen? are your USB devices working correctly? WIFI? LAN?)[20:13:55] <Klima> but the network manager with wifi monitor[20:13:55] <Klima> :D[20:14:03] <Klima> is oh eh uh app :D[20:14:37] <miqlas-H64> Klima: the Network Preferences window have WIFI "manager" integrated[20:14:46] <miqlas-H64> It works most of the time for me.[20:15:02] <Klima> and have a taskbar icon whith signal ?[20:15:16] <miqlas-H64> Klima: no, that missing[20:15:24] <Klima> im never use wifi on haiku ;][20:15:46] <Klima> but like that feature be have a singal meter :_[20:16:15] <miqlas-H64> But currenty i'm sitting n a serbian bar, there is no wifi, so i'm using my mobile phone hotspot functionality, nd if you can read this message, t works.[20:16:26] *** punsith <punsith!44834d22@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.68.131.77.34> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[20:16:33] <Klima> :D[20:16:44] <Klima> nice bar ? :)[20:17:02] <Klima> im dont like delegation[20:17:09] <miqlas-H64> Klima: i had 4-5 beer and some jaegermester already, so i think it works.[20:17:26] <Klima> jagermajster or wifi :D ?[20:17:28] <miqlas-H64> Klima: it s a serbian bar in Germany.[20:17:33] <Klima> oh. :D[20:17:38] <miqlas-H64> booth of them wrks.[20:18:00] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@ool-43514736.dyn.optonline.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[20:18:02] <miqlas-H64> There is plenty dobre and krva[20:19:00] *** HaikuUser3 <HaikuUser3!~vision@ool-43514736.dyn.optonline.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[20:19:10] <miqlas-H64> But my battery is almost empty, so i have to say thanks for the nice discussion, and i hop we can see an article about your project on the front page on haiku-os.org soon[20:20:25] <miqlas-H64> Thanks again for the information, and let us know if you ned any specal support.[20:21:01] <Klima> ok :)[20:21:09] <Klima> thank Yo to :)[20:23:56] <miqlas-H64> Have a nice night![20:24:37] <Begasus> same there miqlas-H64[20:27:20] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-9-99.moscow.rt.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[20:27:55] *** euver <euver!~Thunderbi@p54A29227.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: euver)[20:28:35] *** bitkid <bitkid!~bitkid@x1-6-c0-ff-d4-9c-db-ec.cpe.webspeed.dk> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[20:31:22] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@188.226.121.189> has joined #haiku[20:31:28] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@188.226.121.189> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:32:53] *** prOSy_n8Ly <prOSy_n8Ly!~prOSy@p5B035B5A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[20:33:45] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-6/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/a24551b5a987...eaf201113222[20:33:46] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] miqlas eaf2011 - Zsh : bump version, updated recipe and patchset (#1036)[20:35:46] *** miqlas-H64 <miqlas-H64!~user@tmo-118-71.customers.d1-online.com> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[20:36:45] *** ignacio is now known as ignacio_[20:36:54] *** ignacio_ is now known as i5o[20:37:53] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-9-99.moscow.rt.ru> has joined #haiku[20:38:18] <Begasus> hmm ... any reason why the cmd showfont isn't included in the sdl2_ttf package?[20:38:35] <Begasus> probably not a big thing but still ...[20:41:06] <Begasus> hmmm .... there's also glfont binary ...[20:46:26] *** i5o is now known as ignacio[20:46:46] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-9-99.moscow.rt.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[20:49:30] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-9-99.moscow.rt.ru> has joined #haiku[20:52:45] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-9-99.moscow.rt.ru> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[21:11:27] <scottmc> no idea, but if you find you need it feel free to add it.[21:11:41] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@101.100.137.239> has joined #haiku[21:14:03] *** ACGuy <ACGuy!~vision@85.137.83.243.dyn.user.ono.com> has joined #haiku[21:14:14] <ACGuy> Hello![21:15:52] <Begasus> 'lo scottmc, no need for it, I just saw them being compiled in the source folder[21:16:56] <Begasus> hi ACGuy[21:20:26] *** e1z0_ <e1z0_!~textual@netlinux/founder/e1z0> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[21:23:52] *** ACGuy <ACGuy!~vision@85.137.83.243.dyn.user.ono.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[21:28:42] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has joined #haiku[21:31:51] <Stephanie> Could someone help with this neonlights recipe? The repo is not being copied into the work dir, although I feel like the source is correct. http://sprunge.us/TgLV[21:36:02] <Begasus> what's the recipe called Stephanie?[21:36:09] <scottmc> can you post the output you get?[21:36:11] <Begasus> (and were should it go into?)[21:36:26] <scottmc> haiku-misc is where to put screensaver[21:36:44] <Stephanie> Yes it's in haiku-misc, recipe is neonlights-0.0.1.recipe[21:37:19] <Stephanie> Building again to get the output...[21:38:59] <Begasus> Command '['git', 'commit', '-m', 'import', '-q']' returned non-zero exit status 1 ?[21:39:31] <Begasus> SOURCE_DIR="neonlights-$portVersion"[21:39:38] <Begasus> don't think that one is correct[21:42:17] <Stephanie> http://sprunge.us/hBOX[21:44:01] *** Hare2 <Hare2!~Pol23@p5DD4448D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[21:46:21] <Begasus> not familiar that much with git checkouts in recipes :/[21:47:10] *** Guma <Guma!~Guma@2601:249:301:6a33:510e:f512:69f9:ec78> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:50:04] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@46.242.9.99> has joined #haiku[21:52:10] <Begasus> SOURCE_DIR="neonlights-$srcGitRev"[21:52:24] <Begasus> that one worked for me (atleast to get it unpacked)[21:54:07] <Stephanie> I get "no such file or directory" with that[21:55:07] <Begasus> grabbing neonlights-0.0.1-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg and moving it to /boot/home/haikuports/packages/neonlights-0.0.1-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg[21:55:35] <Begasus> I used the recipe text you pasted in the first link[21:57:12] <Stephanie> http://sprunge.us/ibCO I get this when I just change the SOURCE_DIR line[21:57:53] <Begasus> that one is correct ;) there is no "NeonLights" binary, it's "Neon Lights"[21:59:29] <Begasus> and working ok here :)[22:00:10] <Begasus> the answer to the last one for the screensaver should be clear if you look at the recipe :)[22:00:34] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jskipp@97-113-235-167.tukw.qwest.net> has joined #haiku[22:00:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[22:01:07] *** vtomole <vtomole!416efeb0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.110.254.176> has joined #haiku[22:01:31] <Stephanie> Sweet, that worked![22:01:48] <Begasus> ;)[22:02:10] <Stephanie> How do you find out what the source_dir should be? Is it always the name + commit?[22:02:14] <vtomole> Hey i'm trying to install haiku, and i have to create a partition, but i can't because "create" is greyed out.[22:02:33] <Begasus> I didn't know about srcGitRev, so I grep'd the haikuports tree to see if there were other recipes using it :)[22:03:22] <Begasus> no need to invent the wheel if it's already there Stephanie :)[22:03:47] <Stephanie> Good point XD[22:03:50] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-100-216.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:06:54] *** vtomole <vtomole!416efeb0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.110.254.176> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[22:06:56] <Begasus> haven't used virtual installations in a long while here vtomole ... but can't you add a disk prior to booting and then mount/initialize it from the install?[22:07:02] <Begasus> whoops ...[22:12:56] *** vtomole <vtomole!416effa1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.110.255.161> has joined #haiku[22:17:13] <Begasus> any luck now vtomole?[22:19:13] <vtomole> Yup, it was just a weird interface that i needed to get used to :)[22:19:19] <vtomole> Thatnks![22:19:44] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~premislau@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[22:19:51] <Premislaus> hello[22:23:04] <Begasus> 'lo Premislaus[22:23:43] *** prOSy_n8Ly <prOSy_n8Ly!~prOSy@p5B035B5A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[22:27:25] *** dax007 <dax007!ab4f4444@gateway/web/freenode/ip.171.79.68.68> has joined #haiku[22:33:18] <dax007> Hello everyone. I'm Tejpunj Raju. I'm a google code-in contestant. I just submitted my final task and I just wanted to say that am thankful to all you guys here for helping out in my tasks, suggesting changes and making my work better, whenever I needed. The past month and a half has been the best learning experience of my life and it wouldn't have been possible without you guys. So thank you very much :)[22:35:03] <Begasus> nice dax007! great to see you enjoyed it, maybe you can still stick around after GCI :)[22:36:30] <dax007> begasus: i'll try[22:37:23] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jskipp@97-113-235-167.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:37:29] <Begasus> some of us aren't full time around also :) (I try to do what I can, but am not always able to run Haiku full-time (real live)) :)[22:41:35] <Stephanie> Same thoughts as dax007 ^^ Thanks guys[22:43:41] <Begasus> nice work you guys did ... kudos from here also[22:49:42] *** _Dario <_Dario!vision@181.47.131.175> has joined #haiku[22:50:15] *** Klima <Klima!~Klima@static-78-8-176-191.ssp.dialog.net.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Quiit...)[22:50:18] <Duggan> hey guys, website is still broke[22:52:28] <Premislaus> Hi Duggan[22:52:32] <Duggan> hey Premislaus[22:54:42] <Premislaus> Today I was in iSpot, and I played a littel with iMac. Our website is very tight on 5k screen.[22:54:53] <Premislaus> little[22:55:36] <Premislaus> But log from IRC looks very good.[22:57:58] <Premislaus> I changed the wallpaper - http://pl.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2hdmow2&s=9[22:59:49] <Begasus> classic :)[23:02:56] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-100-216.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[23:04:51] *** bitkid <bitkid!~bitkid@x1-6-c0-ff-d4-9c-db-ec.cpe.webspeed.dk> has joined #haiku[23:06:19] <Duggan> hey PulkoMandy sorry I left so quick, I got really tired really fast[23:08:58] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:09:47] *** dax007 <dax007!ab4f4444@gateway/web/freenode/ip.171.79.68.68> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[23:10:29] *** vtomole <vtomole!416effa1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.110.255.161> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[23:10:41] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[23:16:48] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:17:27] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:17:40] <Paradoxon> is there something like Driver Settings API for "normal" apps??[23:18:38] *** qptain_Nemo <qptain_Nemo!~qN@37.204.239.206> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[23:19:00] *** bitkid <bitkid!~bitkid@x1-6-c0-ff-d4-9c-db-ec.cpe.webspeed.dk> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[23:19:12] <Stephanie> I'm trying to build a recipe with hp, but when it's repopulating the repository, it stops at a different recipe with "bad data"[23:19:48] *** KapiX <KapiX!~kacper@89-65-138-76.dynamic.chello.pl> has joined #haiku[23:19:48] <Begasus> did you clean the port in between Stephanie?[23:19:58] <Begasus> wb KapiX :)[23:20:07] <Stephanie> Oh yeahhhhhhh[23:20:18] <Begasus> ;)[23:20:40] <Begasus> an existing recipe or a new one?[23:20:51] <Stephanie> An existing one that I didn't change[23:20:59] <Stephanie> I'm getting the same error[23:21:04] <KapiX> Begasus :)[23:21:31] <Begasus> what recipe would that be Stephanie?[23:21:40] <Stephanie> apache[23:21:54] <Begasus> web server?[23:22:13] <Stephanie> www-servers/apache/work-2.4.3[23:22:33] <Begasus> hp -s is my friend lately ;)[23:22:59] <Stephanie> I think the alias already has -s[23:23:48] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-100-216.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[23:24:17] <Begasus> hp -s is to search for a recipe :) hp -S is to run haikuporter in strickt mode[23:24:42] <Stephanie> Oh[23:24:48] <Begasus> so like "hp -s apache" gives me the location where to find it in the tree[23:25:35] <Stephanie> Everything I do with hp starts with repopulating the repository, and I can't get past that right now because of apache[23:26:17] <Begasus> ? that's strange :/[23:26:45] <Begasus> try'd installing apache with pkgman?[23:27:10] <Begasus> that way you wouldn't have to build it ...[23:27:31] <Stephanie> Got a checksum error[23:28:02] <Begasus> no problem with apache so far[23:28:19] <Begasus> it's running configure now ...[23:28:54] <Stephanie> pkgman install apache?[23:29:05] <Premislaus> Hi KapiX, I send you e-mail.[23:29:28] <Premislaus> *an e-mail[23:30:14] <Begasus> hmm nope Stephanie ... pkgman search apache doesn't show any results to it ...[23:30:46] <Stephanie> Ah didn't know about the search function[23:31:19] <Begasus> ar: unable to rename '.libs/mod_socache_shmcb.a' reason: No such file or directory[23:31:28] <Begasus> and it fails the build also :/[23:31:59] <KapiX> Premislaus I saw and read, but didn't get around to replying, will do that soon :)[23:36:45] <Premislaus> KapiX I think you need to send your patches for Haiku, from your Intel job, for some buzz, speculation.[23:36:47] <Premislaus> OK[23:37:46] <KapiX> Premislaus hm? I don't do anything related to Haiku at my job[23:37:57] <KapiX> I'm also pretty sure that it would be frowned at[23:45:11] <Stephanie> Begasus: I got the same thing with freeciv after removing the entire apache dir[23:46:03] <Begasus> strange Stephanie ... apache shouldn't have anything to do with it :/[23:46:30] <Stephanie> I'll delete the repo and reclone... always fixes my problems XD XD[23:46:47] <Begasus> hehe[23:51:31] <Begasus> have to clean my freeciv build also ...[23:55:44] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:56:15] *** lamp <lamp!b1b6e052@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.177.182.224.82> has joined #haiku