January 13, 2017 
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January 13, 2017 [00:00:03] <premislaus> Duggan: I have one friend, but is rarely to see. He lives in the city, has a pregnant wife, is a developer of Android. Haiku do not interest him.[00:00:37] *** savant_d <savant_d!~savant@178.162.117.40> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[00:01:21] <Dacian> can you help me with download link from this http://git.1wt.eu/web/libslz.git/ ? i mean this doesn't work http://git.1wt.eu/web?p=libslz.git;a=snapshot;h=afa04ae1f976957cf36287cc5370998d0559bc63;sf=tgz[00:01:50] <premislaus> Dacian works for me.[00:02:14] <Dacian> in browser[00:02:25] <premislaus> yes[00:02:33] <Dacian> but if you put it in the recipe it will download the site[00:03:52] *** eschatologist <eschatologist!~chanson@c-73-189-131-221.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[00:04:42] *** Perelandra <Perelandra!~Perelandr@h69-130-75-184.nansme.broadband.dynamic.tds.net> has joined #haiku[00:08:21] <mmu_man> Dacian:[00:08:22] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev50866 [3 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=26d416448112+%5Ebdd02e0d9d4f[00:08:23] <HAIKU-irker458> 3705d40cd93d: BSpinner: Set min value then max value[00:08:24] <HAIKU-irker458> 5973288e1160: BSpinner: Fix copy-pasta bug, min=>min, max=>max[00:08:25] <HAIKU-irker458> 26d416448112: AbstractSpinner: Make TextView resizable[00:08:31] <mmu_man> 23:56 < mmu_man> something like libtoolize --force --copy --install[00:08:31] <mmu_man> 23:56 < mmu_man> in the BUILD phase[00:08:31] <mmu_man> 23:56 < mmu_man> or autoreconf -i maybe[00:12:36] <Dacian> PulkoMandy[00:14:37] <mmu_man> did you quote properly?[00:14:52] <mmu_man> it's possible they don't like wget[00:15:13] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[00:15:33] <mmu_man> wget 'http://git.1wt.eu/web?p=libslz.git;a=snapshot;h=afa04ae1f976957cf36287cc5370998d0559bc63;sf=tgz'[00:15:41] <mmu_man> Taille : non indiqué [application/x-gzip][00:15:46] <mmu_man> looks fine with wget[00:17:39] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[00:17:55] <Vidrep> Good news and bad news...[00:18:13] <Vidrep> Good news - hrev50861 boots and installs[00:18:35] <Vidrep> Bad news - I still haven't figured out why no serial port[00:19:52] <Vidrep> What changed between hrev50857 and hrev50861?? I tried to boot hrev50857 x86_gcc2h, x86_64, and the rest without success[00:20:31] *** Miyu <Miyu!~hackkitte@HSI-KBW-149-172-240-159.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has joined #haiku[00:22:52] <Vidrep> premislaus, have you tried hrev50861 yet?[00:24:05] *** hackkitten <hackkitten!~hackkitte@HSI-KBW-149-172-240-159.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[00:24:45] <premislaus> Vidrep: Yes, not luck.[00:25:22] <premislaus> Vidrep: http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/[00:25:51] <premislaus> Vidrep: Nothing special.[00:25:56] <mmu_man> zz[00:27:09] <Vidrep> It seems every time something gets fixed, something else gets broken[00:27:46] *** Dacian <Dacian!5f4cbda7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.76.189.167> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[00:27:50] <Vidrep> Then again, we all should know this is alpha software, and this is to be expected[00:28:12] *** Miyu is now known as hackkitten[00:28:14] <Vidrep> We're not using a stable release[00:28:36] <mmu_man> brace yourself[00:28:39] <mmu_man> you could be using windows[00:28:41] <Vidrep> It's still frustrating nonetheless[00:29:05] <mmu_man> yeah well, I tried using gnome shell last week[00:29:09] <premislaus> Vidrep: Hydra Code - "Code that cannot be fixed. Like the Hydra of legend, every new fix introduces two new bugs. It should be rewritten". :P https://blog.codinghorror.com/new-programming-jargon/ or maybe The Haiku Law ;)[00:29:18] <mmu_man> it's still utterly broken in places[00:29:26] <Vidrep> Windows and their 300MB large updates which take half a day to install[00:31:29] <premislaus> Windows 10 has problems with drivers (after some update automatic control of brightness don't work anymore), and many other things. This is why I installed Linux two weeks ago...[00:31:42] <premislaus> *on my computer[00:32:22] <Vidrep> mmu_man, how "set in stone"is that Jan 31 feature freeze?[00:33:14] <Vidrep> Will jessicah be alloted enough time to finish her EFI work?[00:33:29] <Vidrep> Is it even enough time?[00:33:43] <pusith> premislaus that problem happend to me to , I was even unabel to use wifi , then i updated the BIOS. that fixed everything. But yes lunix is better than windows[00:33:51] *** ADS_Sr <ADS_Sr!~ADS_Sr@cpe-173-175-17-54.hot.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:34:55] <Vidrep> pusith, are you a GCI participant?[00:35:27] <pusith> yes i am[00:35:28] <premislaus> pusith: Latest EFI update for my spec was in 2013.[00:35:29] <premislaus> ...[00:36:08] <pusith> oh[00:36:26] <Vidrep> pusith, will you continue with the Haiku project after GCI is finished?[00:37:41] <pusith> yes I like to , but I am not a great coder[00:41:06] <Vidrep> pusith, I don't code whatsoever, yet I am able to contribute in other ways[00:41:45] <Vidrep> Working on a project like this allows you to continue learning[00:43:13] <Vidrep> Particularly because Haiku is a complete OS environment[00:43:40] <mmu_man> Vidrep: dunno[00:44:10] <pusith> yes i like to join :D[00:45:55] <Vidrep> mmu_man, I understand why. We need to get a stable release out. On the other hand, there's a few important things which are in the works, but not yet finished[00:47:42] <mmu_man> indeed[00:47:56] <mmu_man> anyway, zz[00:48:53] <Vidrep> Good night[00:52:19] <Vidrep> reboot[00:52:21] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[00:53:12] *** Dacian <Dacian!5f4cbda7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.76.189.167> has joined #haiku[00:55:35] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:56:30] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/4903ea2ec002...9003a480da23[00:56:31] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson 9003a48 - libextractor: add missing SECONDARY_ARCHITECTURES.[01:10:10] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3298 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/3298[01:10:30] *** Dacian <Dacian!5f4cbda7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.76.189.167> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[01:11:57] *** euver <euver!~Thunderbi@p54A29007.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[01:13:15] *** euver <euver!~Thunderbi@p54A29007.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[01:13:23] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@p001.gate.atson.jp> has joined #haiku[01:28:16] *** lukky513 <lukky513!~lukky513@elbereth.pl> has joined #haiku[01:30:14] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:186a:e60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:46:36] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has joined #haiku[01:47:22] *** pusith <pusith!44834d22@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.68.131.77.34> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[01:55:04] *** punsih <punsih!44834d22@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.68.131.77.34> has joined #haiku[01:55:31] <Duggan> anybody have any ideas of how the BColumnListView has changed?[01:55:36] <punsih> is their any alternatives to pe??[01:57:08] <Duggan> sure, there's stylededit and quite a few more I'm sure[01:58:06] <scottmc> StyledEdit, vim (installable from HaikuDepot i think), nano works from command line[01:58:44] <scottmc> what's wrong with Pe?[01:59:03] <Duggan> I rather like Pe...[01:59:14] <punsih> it is not working[01:59:25] <punsih> scotttmc[01:59:31] <Duggan> how do you mean it's not working?[01:59:34] <scottmc> not working how?[02:00:13] <punsih> i am using x86_64 arcitecture[02:00:20] <Duggan> so am I, works fine for me[02:00:25] <premislaus> punsih: Try Koder - https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/koder-new-native-code-editor/4480[02:00:25] <Duggan> what hrev?[02:00:34] <Duggan> premislaus that doesn't work on 64 bit[02:01:32] <premislaus> punsih: Update nightly - http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=0c5219a1d652da43fd9be235394f2e49f85b0923[02:01:53] <Duggan> premislaus no, there are a lot of apps broke in 64 bit right now because of changes PulkoMandy made recently[02:02:52] <punsih> okay I will , update them :D[02:02:58] <Duggan> most programs should work reasonably well in builds previous to hrev50860, so if your version is newer than that, a lot of things won't work[02:03:14] <Duggan> sure, update and you're guaranteed to have problems :D[02:03:19] <jessicah> Duggan: Koder does work on x86_64[02:03:22] <jessicah> I used it yesterday[02:03:25] <Duggan> jessicah no it doesn't :P[02:03:33] <Duggan> well it won't BUILD on x86_64 :P[02:03:39] <jessicah> well it runs[02:03:44] <jessicah> just download from his repo[02:03:48] <premislaus> punsih: You must wait "some hours", look at it - http://download.haiku-os.org/nightly-images/x86_64/ - recent nightly has older hrev than git.[02:03:50] <Duggan> jessicah yeah, it's not in the depot[02:04:00] <Duggan> jessicah and I already downloaded the source and it won't build :P[02:04:06] <jessicah> :p[02:04:17] <jessicah> Pe doesn't build in haikuports =/[02:04:22] <jessicah> and Pe was broke for me[02:04:31] <Duggan> yeah, but I don't have to build it from haikuports to use it :P[02:04:38] <premislaus> jessicah: Hi. Can you help me - https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13200 ?[02:05:19] <Duggan> premislaus I get that message too, but my computer recognizes partitions so I can't help with that one[02:07:28] <Duggan> any ideas why BColumnListView isn't included in InterafaceKit.h?[02:08:22] <premislaus> Hmm I'm very upset, because BIOS's, EFI's, and broken proprietary crap.[02:09:16] <Duggan> oh by the way punsih, Vision is broken in the recent builds as well, so if you update, you won't be able to come back here to ask for help[02:09:34] <jessicah> Duggan: probably because they haven't decided that the interface is stable?[02:09:49] <Duggan> jessicah worked great for me and that was before it was included in the API[02:09:56] <jessicah> :)[02:10:13] <Duggan> now I've got a ton of errors that I can't even begin to resolve...[02:10:56] <Duggan> I even tried continuing to use the source for it that I originally included in my project but I get all sorts of conflicts of other junk and they're not even defined in the source I used :/[02:12:35] <punsih> okay i am update them[02:13:08] <Duggan> punsih nice knowing you :)[02:13:27] <Duggan> punsih I'm warning you not to, but if you must, then go ahead[02:13:46] <Duggan> jessicah what's this libcolumnlistview.a in the libs directory?[02:14:08] <Duggan> sorry if I'm a little inexperienced with this sort of environment, but I assume a .a file is not a library I can link against...[02:14:13] <jessicah> that's what you link against[02:14:20] <jessicah> because it's still private API[02:14:20] <Duggan> oh....... ok....[02:14:23] <Duggan> ah[02:14:43] <jessicah> private APIs, you link against a static lib, so that updates don't break existing apps[02:15:17] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:15:30] <punsih> Duggan what are the bad things can happen after updating[02:15:31] <premislaus> punsih: You can update from pkgman.[02:15:44] <premislaus> And revert.[02:15:51] <Duggan> punsih I have been telling you this whole time[02:15:55] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[02:16:18] <premislaus> punsih: http://arfonzo.org/blog/2014-06-10_0826_updating_haiku_with_pkgman%20-%20Copy.txt[02:16:19] <Duggan> punsih a lot of programs that come with Haiku DO NOT WORK IN VERSIONS AFTER hrev50860[02:16:48] <Duggan> jessicah down to 10 errors :D[02:16:59] <Stephanie> Could someone give me a quick rundown/provide a link on how you write BUILD() and INSTALL() blocks for recipes? I read that part in the wiki, but I don't totally understand still.[02:17:14] <jessicah> Duggan: korli pushed a fix[02:17:45] <jessicah> hrev50864 and higher will work fine[02:18:03] <premislaus> punsih: If you encounter problems, then change the "current" for a good hrev. Probably the bootloader Haiku is able to boot to a previous snapshot.[02:18:04] <Duggan> jessicah how many programs were fixed though?[02:18:19] <premislaus> *the Haiku bootloader[02:18:34] <Duggan> punsih I'm running 50800 fine[02:19:40] <premislaus> Stephanie: Maybe you must look to an actual recipe to get a clue? Sorry I'm not a developer.[02:20:09] <Stephanie> I've tried looking at different recipes, but there are just so many different versions of what are in those blocks[02:21:03] <scottmc> Stephanie the BUILD() section is the list of commands that you use in order to compile the program[02:21:12] <Duggan> jessicah oh ok, I guess I didn't see an email about it[02:21:26] <scottmc> the INSTALL section is how the compiled code is then installed[02:21:41] <punsih> okay then if I use 50800 it should work ?[02:21:54] <jessicah> Duggan: no, korli added the symbol back[02:22:04] <jessicah> source wise, you will need to update code where it breaks[02:22:12] <Duggan> I see, but does adding the symbol fix the problem or just hide it?[02:22:18] <jessicah> but ABI wise, intact as it was before Adrien's commit[02:22:41] <jessicah> it fixes the problem; i.e. code will work as it did before[02:22:51] <Duggan> punsih it should work because it works for me... if you have a newer version than 50860 it may be broken[02:22:53] <Stephanie> scottmc so is there some set code for certain types of programs? I remember you talking about trial and error with building the source code, but I'm not really sure what to test in the first place[02:23:06] <scottmc> Stephanie, when you start a fresh port, you typically open the source code and figure out what type of build system it used. Most common is The Autotools, which is libtool, aclocal, automake, autoconf, configure, etc. Next most common is cmake.[02:23:08] <jessicah> the only difference now is that if you're compiling against latest master, if you're using non-const operator[], it will need to be updated[02:23:09] <Duggan> jessicah and what about programs that actually use that symbol?[02:23:20] <punsih> im using anyboot thing[02:24:00] <Duggan> punsih depending on how you are installing, that should be fine (I tried using anyboot as a source for the installer in Haiku and it didn't work)[02:24:16] <scottmc> Stephanie, usually they will include a file such as a README or a BUILD or INSTALL or COMPILE. Try opening those up and read them, one of them will likely give hints as to how they are supposed to build.[02:24:20] <jessicah> Duggan: they'll run correctly[02:24:28] <jessicah> Duggan: I don't understand what's hard to grasp[02:24:34] <premislaus> Stephanie: Because particular apps requires different things. Maybe try with simple skeleton?[02:24:41] <jessicah> korli fixed ABI breakage[02:24:58] <punsih> okay[02:25:05] <scottmc> Stephanie, about 80-90% though will fall into the autotools/cmake or just plain "make" category though.[02:25:05] <Stephanie> Ok I'll take a stab at a recipe with that info. Thanks scottmc and premislaus![02:25:48] <jessicah> Duggan: korli basically added all the code back, except for non-const operator[][02:26:06] <jessicah> but defined the mangled symbol with the implementation of non-const operator[][02:26:13] <jessicah> so binary wise, it's identical[02:26:15] <scottmc> I usually start with inspecting the files in the source code archive file, and go from there. But I've done hundreds of ports...[02:26:39] <jessicah> if you compile a program now, and it uses non-const operator[], then you need to modify the source to use SetByteAt() instead[02:27:01] <jessicah> i.e. someBString[x] = c; will now fail to compile[02:28:03] <jessicah> char c = someBString[x]; however will still be fine, as that can use the const operator[][02:28:10] <scottmc> jessicah can you add that important note to a wiki page on haikuports?[02:28:20] <jessicah> what important note?[02:28:45] <scottmc> non-const operator[][02:29:06] <jessicah> Duggan isn't a GCI student :p[02:29:26] <jessicah> do you not have access to haikuports?[02:29:32] <punsih> daggon im donloading now :)[02:29:38] <scottmc> neither am i but we will likely have people who forget about this issue[02:29:54] <punsih> *duggan[02:30:49] <premislaus> punsih: Do you read Lovecraft novels? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagon_(short_story) ;)[02:30:55] <jessicah> is there a page with like common issues when porting?[02:32:11] <punsih> lol no :v :v[02:32:13] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[02:32:44] <Duggan> jessicah see? you do understand what's so hard to grasp :P[02:33:02] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[02:33:32] <Duggan> jessicah my confusion was that he "readded the symbol" but the symbol means nothing without the implementation to back it up... if he just added the symbol, then software will technically run, until it calls that function.. then everything would explode.... if he readded the function however, then everything's fine :)[02:33:33] <Vidrep> Finally got my serial port issues sorted out[02:33:48] <Vidrep> BIOS settings'[02:33:58] <jessicah> Duggan: well maybe you should read the commits list then ;)[02:33:59] <jessicah> lol[02:34:24] <Duggan> yeah, instead of listening to you :P[02:34:34] <Vidrep> hrev50857 was failing to boot due to the launch_daemon failing[02:35:31] * jessicah sighs[02:35:37] <jessicah> I need virtualbox running again[02:36:45] <jessicah> stupid windows update[02:37:32] <punsih> anyway I like the font that x86_64 used :P[02:44:04] <Duggan> jessicah well, the errors I'm getting are still unresolvable... stuff is broken inside BColumnListView apparently.... so I guess that means I have to include the code for it directly in my project (again) so I can fix it :P[02:44:28] <jessicah> :p[02:45:01] <Duggan> otherwise, I don't see why we don't go ahead and include it as part of the Interface Kit... if it got more use, it would get debugged faster[02:46:28] <premislaus> punsih: Noto fonts family? Many open source projects switches to id recently, because they are better rendering with Freetype (patents ).[02:48:15] <premislaus> Why I'm reading commits - http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=945566ff43583e4f8102b4440c88f53dae775cb4 - if I can't code... This is only way for get some from Haiku Project ;).[02:48:22] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[02:48:42] <premislaus> *some news[02:51:39] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has joined #haiku[02:51:47] <punsih> oh[02:56:28] <scottmc> punsith what task are you working on now?[02:57:41] <punsih> Check if 5 different recipes for x86_64[02:57:47] <punsih> scottmc[02:58:19] <scottmc> aw.. yeah, that one might be affected by the recent changes.[02:59:03] <punsih> yes first i tryed hexvexed but an error says work file is not found[02:59:15] <scottmc> you are free to try more than 5 if you like. They probably go pretty quick. Just be sure you update your haikuports tree so that you aren't rechecking recipes another student already checked[03:00:05] <punsih> okay :)[03:00:10] *** punsih <punsih!44834d22@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.68.131.77.34> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[03:03:07] *** punsih <punsih!44834d22@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.68.131.77.34> has joined #haiku[03:03:40] <Duggan> jessicah who implied I was a GCI student? :P[03:09:24] <punsih> puri is not builiding for x86_gcc or x86_64[03:09:57] <jessicah> Duggan: nobody[03:11:49] <Duggan> punsih is Pe working now?[03:13:03] <punsih> my internet is verry slow r8 now[03:13:13] <punsih> still donloading[03:19:05] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has quit IRC (Quit: Rebooting)[03:19:06] <Duggan> if you build a single target in the source repo, where does it go?[03:19:56] <Duggan> because it's not in my generated directory :/[03:20:13] <Duggan> even though it Ranlib on it there[03:21:29] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has joined #haiku[03:21:31] <Duggan> nevermind, I'm an idiot[03:21:39] *** punsih <punsih!44834d22@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.68.131.77.34> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[03:23:40] *** S <S!~vision@c-68-41-4-65.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[03:23:41] *** S is now known as SMCollins[03:23:58] <SMCollins> holla peeps[03:25:25] *** punsith <punsith!44834d22@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.68.131.77.34> has joined #haiku[03:25:45] <jessicah> hullo SMCollins[03:30:09] *** AndrewZ <AndrewZ!4a4b0cb6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.75.12.182> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[03:33:08] <SMCollins> Its my 40th birthday ! yaaa[03:34:01] <Duggan> happy birthday, you old fart[03:34:21] <punsith> happy birthday[03:35:02] <SMCollins> I feel pretty damned old today, got the flu, what a way to spend a birthday , lol[03:38:05] <jessicah> happy birthday SMCollins :)[03:38:23] <SMCollins> jessicah: how comes uefi ?[03:38:32] <jessicah> good[03:38:45] <jessicah> realised yesterday I had left out an important commit[03:38:53] <SMCollins> shame shame shame[03:39:01] <jessicah> so put that back in, so now it boots straight to my desktop instead of giving me the boot menu :p[03:39:14] <SMCollins> how did the google code in go ? the new code in site is really freaking hard to use[03:39:30] <SMCollins> jessicah: I consider booting to desktop real sucess[03:39:55] <jessicah> yes, I very much dislike the code-in website[03:40:11] <jessicah> SMCollins: yes, seems to be mostly stable[03:40:24] <SMCollins> looks like design by commite feature overkill, google fucks that up very very often[03:40:34] <jessicah> Diver ran into a bizarre crash the other day though[03:40:40] <scottmc> they contracted it out...[03:40:48] <jessicah> so may still be a few gremlins lurking =/[03:41:26] <jessicah> but yes, I boot using the uefi loader all the time now[03:41:29] <scottmc> and as so often happens when you contract stuff out it doesn't come back with what you had invisioned.[03:41:43] <jessicah> except when I make a mistake, and need to use the legacy loader :p[03:41:50] <SMCollins> the uefi progress is awesome[03:41:55] <jessicah> which is handy to have in cases like that ;)[03:43:24] <jessicah> the next thing to tackle is ensuring it can find the right boot volume with a disk using intel/mbr layout[03:43:29] <jessicah> I haven't tested that out yet[03:48:41] <scottmc> Stephanie you'll want to update the HaikuArchives repo for BrainWash, change the .rsrc to an .rdef and update the makefile. You might be able to open the makefile with Paladin and resave it, to update it, i'm not sure. Then verify that make will compile it, and if so then do a pull request on the BrainWash repo and one of us will check and comment on it if needed. Once that is merge the recipe should be easy.[03:49:15] <SMCollins> Brainwash ?[03:49:59] <Stephanie> scottmc thanks for the info! Where do I find out what updates to make to the makefile? Is it just updating the rsrc/rdef portion?[03:50:18] <Stephanie> SMCollins a screensaver[03:50:21] <Stephanie> And hb![03:50:29] <scottmc> i think just the resource section and the path to the makefile engine need updated.[03:51:14] <SMCollins> oohhhh, this one crushed the app_server, did that underlying problem get fixed ? a screen saver should not be capable of crashing the app server imho[03:54:25] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jskipp@71-212-100-177.tukw.qwest.net> has joined #haiku[03:54:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[03:56:18] <premislaus> http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/bob/clarisworks.php - A bit of history. This is my hobby - reading about ancient software and hardware. Some information about Gobe.[04:01:57] <Skipp_OSX> premislaus, I've read that before, really interesting stuff, a group of guys writing software through the decades. I wonder if Gobe would be around still today if Be has survived. Somehow I doubt it, Office would have eaten it's lunch[04:02:34] *** DHowett <DHowett!~dustin@velocitylimitless/awesome/ultraviolet/DHowett> has quit IRC (Quit: (shut it down! shut it all down!))[04:03:55] <Duggan> what's the command to get a list of symbols out of a library again?[04:04:08] <jessicah> you can use objdump or readelf[04:04:10] <jessicah> readelf -s[04:04:15] <Duggan> thanks :)[04:04:30] <jessicah> if it's c++, pipe through c++filt[04:04:56] <jessicah> although may need to pass option so it prints out full symbol names[04:05:25] <Duggan> eh... what was the key combination to stack windows again?[04:05:36] <jessicah> win+alt I think[04:06:01] <Duggan> just win :)[04:06:04] <Duggan> thanks :)[04:09:02] <Duggan> this is going to kill me :/[04:09:14] <jessicah> ?[04:09:42] <Duggan> so I setarch and did a fresh build of libcolumnlistview.a, copied that file into my project directory and linking against it... and I"m getting missing symbol errors inside that library...[04:10:11] <Duggan> so it builds fine, but for some reason it isn't working and I'm not very experienced with fixing this sort of issue[04:10:57] <Stephanie> scottmc I updated everything, but make is still giving me errors: http://sprunge.us/ELQJ[04:11:18] *** punsith <punsith!44834d22@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.68.131.77.34> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[04:13:43] <Duggan> jessicah: http://sprunge.us/FceC[04:14:04] <premislaus> Skipp_OSX: I like Gobe UI - http://besly.de/galerie/screenshots/BeOS_r5_GobeProductive.png - I'm slowly thinking about old\new site for Haiku and "cool stuff", with layout from this screenshot.[04:14:34] <Skipp_OSX> premislaus, It[04:14:59] <Skipp_OSX> premislaus, It's roots in ClarisWorks are evident[04:15:01] <premislaus> it screenshot, no this?[04:15:26] <Skipp_OSX> premislaus, yes, I see the screenshot, it is Productive[04:15:46] <Duggan> I miss Productive :'([04:16:14] <premislaus> Ahh I'm thinking about my English spelling, I'm learning English from obscure subreddits...[04:16:33] <Duggan> premislaus that probably is not the best way to learn English ;)[04:16:34] <Duggan> haha[04:16:40] <SMCollins> off to soak in my clawfoot tub, have a good evening peeps[04:16:47] <Duggan> later SMCollins[04:18:45] <scottmc> Stephanie, you got to the same point i just got to[04:18:50] <Duggan> jessicah why is it ok when the library is built, but it's not ok when you link it?[04:19:11] <premislaus> Duggan: I translated my poem to English, probably this is not good translation - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfNB6k_h78A[04:19:25] <Duggan> no audio, remember?[04:19:34] <premislaus> turn on subtitles[04:19:38] <Duggan> what's your native language?[04:19:50] <Duggan> I don't know if web+ can do that yet lol[04:20:25] <premislaus> Polish[04:20:26] <Duggan> by your name, looks like it's Polish (just a guess)[04:20:29] <Duggan> lol[04:20:29] <jessicah> Duggan: I don't know[04:21:22] <premislaus> Duggan: My name is Przemysław, Premislaus in latin ;)[04:21:23] <Duggan> premislaus the translation could use a little work ;) you'll get there[04:21:58] <Duggan> yeah, I meant your youtube user name looked Polish hehe[04:24:22] <premislaus> Duggan: Przemysław in Old Slavic means - The Tricky Bastard ;). Hey, they changed article in Wiki - Przemysław means Simple Guy or Nice Guy.[04:25:02] <ryoshu> premislaus: cześć[04:26:02] <premislaus> Yeah I know. I read a lot of pages in English, sometimes books, but this not automatically[04:26:18] <premislaus> translates to good talking or writing[04:26:23] <premislaus> ryoshu: Hej :)[04:26:47] <ryoshu> premislaus: I can /query you ok?[04:27:13] <premislaus> query?[04:27:24] <premislaus> OK[04:36:48] <Duggan> premislaus lol[04:38:03] <Duggan> scottmc you know anything about resolving linker issues?[04:39:38] <scottmc> not much[04:39:47] <Duggan> oh :'([04:40:10] <scottmc> what's not linking?[04:40:39] <Duggan> libcolumnlistview.a ... it's compiling fine (x86_64) but when I try to link it into my program, I get unresolved symbol errors[04:40:56] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:40:57] <Duggan> http://sprunge.us/FceC[04:41:12] <Duggan> or undefined references rather[04:41:13] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[04:41:28] <scottmc> no idea[04:41:44] <Duggan> alright, thank you[04:48:08] *** daspork_ <daspork_!~quassel@128.199.205.75> has joined #haiku[04:48:15] <scottmc> Stephanie perhaps pick a different screensaver. I don't see how this one ever compiled.[04:48:42] <Stephanie> Ok will do scottmc[04:49:14] <scottmc> it's missing a complete function call, and i don't see one that is close to it.[04:51:49] <Perelandra> Duggan: Are you using make or jam?[04:51:55] *** IdentService <IdentService!~Services@m83-178-180-237.cust.tele2.ee> has joined #haiku[04:52:27] *** IdentService <IdentService!~Services@m83-178-180-237.cust.tele2.ee> has quit IRC ()[04:52:35] *** IdentService <IdentService!~Services@m83-178-180-237.cust.tele2.ee> has joined #haiku[04:53:11] *** IdentService <IdentService!~Services@m83-178-180-237.cust.tele2.ee> has left #haiku[04:53:46] <Duggan> Perelandra Paladin[04:53:56] <Duggan> I used jam to build the lib[04:54:11] <Duggan> paladin for the project that uses the lib[04:54:13] <Perelandra> Did you use #include <ColumnTypes.h> ?[04:54:20] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, I think that BColumnListView is private... right?[04:54:36] <Duggan> Skipp_OSX yes, but my old program still uses it and I'm trying to get it to run... I could really use it :P[04:54:43] <Duggan> Perelandra let me check if/where I did[04:54:43] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, don't you have to include a private header somewhere?[04:54:52] <Duggan> Skipp_OSX I did[04:55:23] <Perelandra> In jamfile:[04:55:26] <Perelandra> UsePrivateHeaders interface ;[04:55:39] <Perelandra> and something lie:[04:55:43] <Perelandra> like:[04:55:45] <Perelandra> : be package libcolumnlistview.a [ TargetLibstdc++ ] localestub[04:56:04] <Perelandra> See example: https://github.com/Perelandra0x309/haiku/blob/n_center/src/preferences/repositories/Jamfile[04:58:00] <Duggan> Perelandra yes, in one file I include it[04:58:39] <SMCollins> clawfoot tub = hot water = epson salt = tub heater = refreshment ![04:58:56] <Skipp_OSX> he's right, you have to include libcolumnlistview.a that is dumb[04:59:10] <Duggan> Skipp_OSX I'm already doing that[04:59:36] <Skipp_OSX> hmmm idk[04:59:45] <Duggan> so far I've built a copy of the library and put it in my project directory and I'm linking directly against it... in case there were problems with the prebuilt version in the lib directory[04:59:53] <Perelandra> Also in jamfile a depends:[05:00:06] <Perelandra> Depends ProgramName : libcolumnlistview.a ;[05:00:16] <Duggan> and as far as the headers, I just included the full path :P[05:00:35] <Duggan> hackish, but just trying to get the thing to work right now, I can clean it up later[05:00:51] <Perelandra> Full path not needed if jamfile is right.[05:00:57] <Duggan> Perelandra not using Jam[05:01:34] <Duggan> I used jam to build the library from the haiku repo... jam -a libcolumnlistview.a[05:01:56] <Duggan> once that was done, I copied it to my local project directory[05:05:00] <Perelandra> Ah, ok I'm not in x64 now so can't check. THis lib not included in Haiku x64 somewhere like /boot/system/develop/lib/x64 ?[05:06:12] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:06:35] <Duggan> Perelandra /boot/system/develop/lib/libcolumnlistview.a[05:07:04] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[05:07:06] <scottmc> Stephanie, can you open a new issue on BrainWash and post the output you get when running make?[05:07:10] <Duggan> but I didn't know how well I could trust it since I was getting errors apparently inside the lib, so I built another copy and linked against that and got the same thing[05:07:19] <Stephanie> Yup scottmc will do[05:08:28] <daspork_> So I have a quick question about permissions. I was building SDL2 and all works fine and links fine etc, but make install fails with permission problems. (no write access)[05:08:48] *** jessicah` <jessicah`!~jessicat@unaffiliated/jessicah> has joined #haiku[05:08:48] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jessicah`[05:08:52] <Perelandra> Ya you shouldn't need to build the lib? Why are you doing so? Both my Depots app and the Repositories preflet I wrote built fine in x64 with include libcolumnlistview.a[05:09:06] <jessicah`> Duggan: what's your link order like?[05:09:08] <jessicah`> for the libs[05:09:20] <Duggan> like I said, I didn't know if the issue was because of a poorly built library[05:09:31] <Duggan> jessicah` that lib comes last[05:09:40] <jessicah`> libcolumnlistview.a?[05:09:46] <jessicah`> did you get it working?[05:10:13] <Duggan> yes and no[05:10:34] <Duggan> Perelandra did you see the errors I'm getting?[05:10:54] <Duggan> http://sprunge.us/FceC[05:11:34] <Perelandra> Duggan are you using a makefile in your Paladin project?[05:11:39] <jessicah`> Duggan: what's your full compiler line?[05:12:09] <Perelandra> Yes I saw those errors, something in the lib didn't built right I think. But I'm not that good at decifering those errors.[05:12:44] <jessicah`> __dynamic_cast & __cxa_bad_typeid are in libstdc++.so[05:12:53] <jessicah`> so libstdc++.so should be your last lib to link against, iirc[05:12:57] <Duggan> no, no makefile, but I guess I can generate one[05:13:05] <Perelandra> Here is example makefile:[05:13:06] <jessicah`> do you not have terminal output?[05:13:07] <Perelandra> https://github.com/Perelandra0x309/depots/blob/master/src/makefile[05:13:20] <Duggan> Perelandra that's what I'm thinking... but I built it straight out of the repo.... and the one that came in the image is the same[05:13:33] <jessicah`> linker only resolves missing symbols by following libs[05:13:34] <Perelandra> You need:[05:13:36] <Perelandra> LIBS = be localestub package columnlistview $(STDCPPLIBS)[05:13:49] <Perelandra> SYSTEM_INCLUDE_PATHS = /boot/system/develop/headers/private/interface[05:13:54] <jessicah`> so libstdc++.so somelib.a <- if somelib.a needs symbols from libstdc++.so, they won't get resolved[05:14:20] <jessicah`> Duggan: so you need to make sure libstdc++.so is last[05:15:25] * jessicah` knows a lot about linking[05:15:47] <jessicah`> I worked on a linker written in ocaml... :p[05:16:36] <Perelandra> Thanks jessicah! I guess I knew libstd was laways supposed to be last but I ddin't know why![05:16:54] <jessicah`> Duggan: I'm going to hazard a guess and say that you're using gcc to compile, and not g++?[05:17:07] <jessicah`> g++ will automatically add libstdc++.so to the end of the link command ;-)[05:18:10] <Duggan> jessicah` I think you were right...[05:18:16] <jessicah`> I'm always right[05:18:18] <jessicah`> :p[05:18:18] <Duggan> jessicah` actually you know what the funny thing was?[05:18:21] <Duggan> OH SHUT UP :P[05:18:50] <Duggan> Perelandra, jessicah` actually my project didn't even have a reference to libstdc++.so..... and I got no errors for not having it[05:19:02] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has joined #haiku[05:19:28] <Duggan> well until now :P however, I did add it after the reference to libcolumnlistview.a and now it compiles and runs :D[05:19:31] <Duggan> thanks guys! :D[05:19:41] <Duggan> (now I need to get this packaged up and available somewhere...)[05:21:44] <Duggan> anybody remember PersonalIssueTracker? :D[05:23:18] <Duggan> this thing working?[05:23:45] <Perelandra> Cool![05:23:55] *** owen <owen!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has joined #haiku[05:23:57] <Duggan> having network issues...[05:24:00] <jessicah`> no, can't recall[05:24:35] <Duggan> jessicah` it was a program I wrote that was inspired by Trac to keep track of issues in personal projects (without having to set up websites and whatnot :P )[05:24:56] <jessicah`> Duggan: ah, neat[05:25:00] <Duggan> you don't even need to know python to configure it :D[05:25:21] <Duggan> it was on Haikuware for a while.... and then....[05:26:17] <jessicah`> yes, karl happened...[05:26:26] <Duggan> aaaaaand more connection issues...[05:26:34] <Duggan> ping?[05:26:40] <jessicah`> pong[05:26:58] <Duggan> thanks, jessicah` :)[05:27:09] <Duggan> apparently I don't lose my connection to freenode when I reset my connection :P[05:27:12] <Perelandra> If you get it on HaikuPorts it will show up in HaikuDepot.[05:27:38] <Duggan> Perelandra I'll probably do that... might be good to go ahead and clean up the code a bit more first though.. and finish working on filetypes[05:27:47] <scottmc> Duggan do you have it on a public repo?[05:27:53] <Duggan> scottmc no[05:28:16] <Duggan> used to be on Haikuware, but even then it was prebuilt, I never released the source[05:28:21] <Duggan> kind of ashamed at how messy it is :P[05:28:23] <Duggan> well, was...[05:28:25] <Perelandra> Yeah I went through a few years ago and got my stuff updated from BeOS to working on Haiku.[05:28:28] <Duggan> I've cleaned it up a LOT lol[05:28:47] <scottmc> Duggan it can't be worse than some of the apps on Haiku Archives ;)[05:28:51] <Duggan> still needs some cleanup though[05:29:05] <Duggan> scottmc I threw this thing together so it was pretty bad :P[05:29:16] <Duggan> like I said, I was cleaning up the source so I could release it, but not sure I finished it[05:29:19] <Perelandra> Duggan, then don't read the Haiku coding guidelies. It put me to shame![05:29:34] <scottmc> well perhaps out it on a private repo for now and once you clean it up make it public?[05:29:38] <Perelandra> *guidelines*[05:29:47] <Duggan> Perelandra lol I was trying to get it up to snuff with the guidelines before I released it lol[05:30:03] <Duggan> if I put it out there, it'll be public[05:30:13] <Duggan> I guess I need to get a github account? :/[05:30:27] <scottmc> you should, everyone's doing it...[05:30:37] <Duggan> lol all the cool kids?[05:30:44] <Perelandra> Yes, github is good. I came from sourceforge and had to learn git but it is worth it.[05:30:45] <Duggan> I wanna be a cool kid too :D[05:30:55] * Duggan isn't a fan of git[05:30:59] <scottmc> and once you have one you can easily fork code and make pull requests. Even I was able to figure it out.[05:31:02] <Duggan> I miss SVN :'([05:31:08] <scottmc> and i hate git[05:31:12] <Duggan> even you, scottmc!?[05:31:23] <scottmc> i still use svn for work projects.[05:32:04] <Duggan> would people actually use it is the question (PIT)[05:32:16] <Perelandra> Yes it is more complicated. I have a "cheat sheet" of what I know works and stick to it. I am finding I have to reclone less now (that means delete your local repository and redownload a fresh copy).[05:32:37] <geist> you should basically never have to reclone[05:32:41] <Duggan> yeah, that whole having commit rights sounds complicated :/[05:32:44] <geist> since all of the info is pulled down the first time[05:33:22] *** orealis <orealis!~cre8or@51.174.179.178> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[05:33:53] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@121.54.90.154> has joined #haiku[05:34:00] <Duggan> I'll worry about a github account when I have money to spend on it.... right now I'm incredibly broke :P[05:34:10] *** HaikuUser2 is now known as daspork[05:34:16] <Perelandra> geist, believe me I've gotten into some sticky circular situations with git.[05:34:31] <scottmc> Duggan it's free for open source projects[05:35:10] <Perelandra> Duggan was being funny, or trying to find any excuse for procrstination.[05:35:44] <Duggan> no, actually.... I'm not willing to spend $7 a month on something I don't have to :P[05:36:24] <Perelandra> I pay $0[05:37:15] *** daspork <daspork!~vision@121.54.90.154> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[05:37:21] <scottmc> i pay $0[05:38:06] <geist> Perelandra: should be impossible, you probably just dont know the right way to recover it[05:38:19] <geist> you'd have to actualyl go in and mess up core data structures in .git/[05:38:19] <jessicah`> I quite like git[05:39:02] <geist> yep. im definitely a huge fan[05:39:15] <geist> the learning curve is steep, but it's so incredibly powerful once you grok it[05:39:15] <scottmc> it's growing on me. slowly[05:39:30] <SMCollins> scottmc: moss is not generally considered beneficial[05:39:32] <jessicah`> oh sweet, haiku is on latest release too[05:39:44] <Duggan> scottmc like a fungus?[05:39:49] <jessicah`> so can use worktrees[05:40:02] <SMCollins> off to bed, have a good night[05:40:04] <jessicah`> that will make life easier[05:40:08] *** SMCollins <SMCollins!~vision@c-68-41-4-65.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[05:40:27] <jessicah`> then I work on multiple branches at a time with haikuports[05:40:45] <scottmc> no, as bitbucket and github have added features it's made git a bit more appealing. now we can squash/merge and not create the big mess we used to.[05:42:22] <Duggan> ok, apparently I have an account..[05:42:25] <Perelandra> It has nice features like issue submission/tracking, wiki, basic web page for your project.[05:43:30] *** ADS_Sr <ADS_Sr!~ADS_Sr@cpe-173-175-17-54.hot.res.rr.com> has joined #haiku[05:46:37] <Duggan> web+ does NOT like github :/[05:46:43] <Duggan> (or any other website for that matter...)[05:52:59] *** DHowett <DHowett!~dustin@c-76-104-158-30.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[05:52:59] *** DHowett <DHowett!~dustin@c-76-104-158-30.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Changing host)[05:52:59] *** DHowett <DHowett!~dustin@velocitylimitless/awesome/ultraviolet/DHowett> has joined #haiku[05:56:41] * Perelandra needs to get some ZZZZZZZs[05:57:11] *** Perelandra <Perelandra!~Perelandr@h69-130-75-184.nansme.broadband.dynamic.tds.net> has quit IRC (Quit: My God, it's full of stars!)[05:58:30] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-drwipwjqrcncjhls> has joined #haiku[06:01:22] <Duggan> ok, I'm lost :/[06:10:24] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-103-222-187.ks.ok.cox.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Eating pizza)[06:14:00] <Duggan> jessicah` you around?[06:14:50] <jessicah`> what's up[06:15:28] <Duggan> I have no idea how to set up or for that matter use git with commit rights.... and github help isn't helping[06:15:34] <Duggan> think you can give me a hand?[06:16:05] <jessicah`> to your own repo?[06:16:11] <Duggan> I've got user.name and user.email, that's it... nothing else in their docs actually say anything... that i can find[06:16:13] <Duggan> yes ma'am[06:16:22] <jessicah`> hmm[06:16:34] <jessicah`> I use ssh auth, so I add my ssh key to github[06:16:47] <jessicah`> do you have any remotes yet?[06:16:50] <jessicah`> git remote -v[06:16:57] <jessicah`> I'll be right back :)[06:16:59] *** jessicah` <jessicah`!~jessicat@unaffiliated/jessicah> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[06:18:07] *** jessicah` <jessicah`!~jessicat@unaffiliated/jessicah> has joined #haiku[06:18:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jessicah`[06:18:16] <Duggan> yeah, I cloned my repo, I assume it's saying I have rights on that, but I didn't do anything to configure that yet[06:18:23] <Duggan> 2, fetch and push on it[06:19:00] <Duggan> did github tell web+ to do something to my git to configure it or is it just because I set my email up with git? :P[06:19:32] <jessicah`> I don't know what you mean[06:19:44] <Duggan> I did what you said, git remote -v and 2 things came back[06:19:52] <Duggan> both for my repo I created on github[06:19:57] <jessicah`> pull & push[06:20:03] <Duggan> fetch & push, yeah[06:20:12] <jessicah`> if you cloned from github, then yes, those get set automatically[06:20:21] <Duggan> how does it know it's me? :/[06:20:36] <jessicah`> what?[06:20:43] <jessicah`> that's not authentication[06:20:46] <Duggan> ok[06:21:05] <jessicah`> so you commit whatever, then git push[06:21:10] <jessicah`> it'll default to current branch[06:21:29] <jessicah`> and it should probably let you do http authentication[06:21:33] <jessicah`> I prefer ssh[06:21:37] <jessicah`> but that's a few extra steps[06:21:46] <Duggan> ok, then it's just because I was in that directory... ok...[06:22:04] <Duggan> do I need to specify which files to add or is it just the contents of the directory by default?[06:23:00] <Duggan> add[06:24:47] <Duggan> didn't work[06:28:15] <Duggan> ah ok got it :)[06:28:25] <Duggan> jessicah` try it out, tell me what you think :P https://github.com/DeweyTaylor/PersonalIssueTracker[06:30:39] <Duggan> nevermind, it crashes :P[06:30:42] <Duggan> rofl[06:31:32] <jessicah`> I was just about to say[06:31:34] <jessicah`> :p[06:31:36] <jessicah`> crashed on me[06:32:45] <Duggan> lol[06:32:58] <Duggan> gimme a few, I'll get it fixed up :P[06:33:11] <jessicah`> also layout problems[06:33:16] <jessicah`> like your about box[06:33:26] <jessicah`> text doesn't fit, and resizing, it doesn't update[06:33:31] <jessicah`> so stays clipped to original size[06:33:32] <jessicah`> haha[06:33:46] <Duggan> probably because things changed and my code stayed the same :P[06:33:54] <jessicah`> :p[06:34:02] <Duggan> hell I *JUST* got it to compile after 7 years :P[06:34:03] <jessicah`> probably needed B_FOLLOW_ALL[06:34:17] <jessicah`> so the control resizes to containing window[06:34:19] <Duggan> it can stay clipped, I'm not worried about the about box :P[06:34:25] <jessicah`> :p[06:36:38] <ohnx> Duggan did you just get github? lol[06:37:21] <jessicah`> hey ohnx[06:37:31] <ohnx> heyo jessicah`[06:38:04] <jessicah`> I should build a bootable disk image for people to use[06:38:14] <ohnx> for haiku?[06:38:15] <jessicah`> except I don't have gdisk...[06:38:22] <jessicah`> oh, I don't need gdisk[06:38:23] <jessicah`> yeah[06:38:36] <ohnx> aren't that the purpose of the nightly builds?[06:38:39] <ohnx> the anyboot image[06:38:55] <Duggan> ohnx yep[06:39:15] <jessicah`> they don't contain the UEFI loader[06:39:25] <ohnx> ah[06:39:35] <ohnx> i'm writing a uefi loader rn, for fun :D[06:39:55] <ohnx> found tqh's slimmed down uefi libs and am writing random stuff with it now[06:41:45] <jessicah`> :)[06:41:57] <jessicah`> hmm, Installer doesn't seem very happy[06:42:28] <jessicah`> ah there it goes[06:42:37] <jessicah`> or not...[06:43:00] <Duggan> jessicah`I must've been in the middle of changing something.... I created a pointer and completely didn't create an object and immediately started filling it with stuff... didn't fix the crash though :/[06:43:08] <ohnx> dont you need gnu efi recipe to build support?[06:43:17] <jessicah`> oh it was copying my home directory, lol[06:44:22] <jessicah`> hmm?[06:44:31] <jessicah`> the package is already uploaded to repo[06:45:59] <ohnx> oh wait the pr was accepted?[06:46:51] <jessicah`> I have no idea[06:47:02] <jessicah`> the original package is already in repo[06:47:06] <jessicah`> not the recipe[06:48:17] <ohnx> oh[06:50:22] <ohnx> lol yeah nothing is happening to the pr[06:53:16] <jessicah`> =/[06:59:11] *** Guma <Guma!~Guma@2601:249:301:6a33:79b4:5781:9093:d300> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[06:59:57] <Duggan> jessicah` got that problem fixed, got another one now :P testing more thoroughly this time around :P[07:01:18] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-drwipwjqrcncjhls> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[07:03:10] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@183.82.106.99> has joined #haiku[07:11:16] <jessicah`> ;)[07:13:37] *** ThunderBlade <ThunderBlade!~Kushal@183.82.106.99> has joined #haiku[07:14:07] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@183.82.106.99> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[07:17:27] *** gazelle007 <gazelle007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-jddifnnmgajlvdlq> has joined #haiku[07:18:53] <Duggan> jessicah` how do you tell it to commit the files you changed? :/[07:19:40] *** ThunderBlade <ThunderBlade!~Kushal@183.82.106.99> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[07:21:15] <Duggan> *sigh* git is so stupid[07:21:42] <jessicah`> you have to stage them with git add[07:21:46] <jessicah`> then you commit with git commit[07:21:59] <jessicah`> or you can be lazy and just do git commit -a[07:22:11] <jessicah`> but if you create new files, git won't consider those[07:22:14] <Duggan> yeah I got it.... fixes are uploaded, try again please :)[07:22:16] <jessicah`> so you have to still git add new files[07:22:19] <jessicah`> :p[07:22:38] <Duggan> I already added those files, why do I have to tell it to add them again? git is so stupid :P[07:23:25] <jessicah`> it lets you be selective about what goes into an individual commit[07:23:36] <jessicah`> heck, you can even add only parts of your changes to a fill[07:23:37] <jessicah`> file[07:23:40] <jessicah`> with git add -p[07:23:48] <Duggan> hmm[07:23:54] <jessicah`> anyway, yay, it works! :p[07:24:02] <jessicah`> but you need to maybe use layout API or something[07:24:15] <jessicah`> and yes, I can see the resemblence to trac :)[07:24:19] <Duggan> probably still some crashworthy bugs but nothing I've come across yet (crashwise anyway, filter is kinda screwed up)[07:24:37] <Duggan> layout API hadn't hit the repo proper when I was developing this :P[07:24:43] <jessicah`> text gets cut off in places and things because I have a larger font[07:25:24] <jessicah`> in your filter, I think you need to use MouseUp, not MouseDown[07:25:26] <Duggan> if tickets start disappearing, it's the filter's fault... I think just opening the filter window and hitting ok will fix it but I was worried about other things a minute ago... 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<scottmc> raefaldhia we will be applying yes.[08:15:22] <scottmc> applications for Orgs opens on Monday[08:16:28] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@84-236-16-76.pool.digikabel.hu> has joined #haiku[08:17:25] *** miqlas_ <miqlas_!~miqlas@84-236-16-76.pool.digikabel.hu> has joined #haiku[08:17:43] *** miqlas_ <miqlas_!~miqlas@84-236-16-76.pool.digikabel.hu> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[08:18:21] <raefaldhia> scottmc: nice, is there any example for GSOC project for haiku?[08:19:21] *** miqlas_ <miqlas_!~miqlas@84-236-16-76.pool.digikabel.hu> has joined #haiku[08:20:18] *** miqlas__ <miqlas__!~miqlas@84-236-16-76.pool.digikabel.hu> has joined #haiku[08:20:36] *** miqlas__ <miqlas__!~miqlas@84-236-16-76.pool.digikabel.hu> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[08:20:47] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@84-236-16-76.pool.digikabel.hu> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[08:22:11] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@84-236-16-76.pool.digikabel.hu> has joined #haiku[08:22:54] *** 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<LaceySnr!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[09:53:24] *** korli <korli!d5d09b70@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.208.155.112> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[09:53:32] *** jessicah` <jessicah`!~jessicat@unaffiliated/jessicah> has joined #haiku[09:53:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jessicah`[09:54:36] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[10:04:21] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@p2003005B441FBD00022314FFFEAF6410.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[10:04:35] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@p001.gate.atson.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke)[10:07:23] *** Emrys <Emrys!~emrys@92.87.13.132> has joined #haiku[10:10:40] *** [JJ]Albert <[JJ]Albert!~Albert@2602:306:3bf2:b330:bda3:c8f3:23f:1320> has joined #haiku[10:12:00] *** gazelle007 is now known as kushalsingh007[10:16:27] <Dacian> @korli are you still here?[10:17:11] <Dacian> korli[10:18:19] <Dacian> this is the new output http://pastebin.com/dQJduGnu[10:18:41] *** owen <owen!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has joined #haiku[10:25:16] <mikedld|w> Dacian: looks like #include <sysexits.h> is missing[10:26:00] <Dacian> where should i put that?[10:26:25] *** owen <owen!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[10:26:43] <mikedld|w> somewhere in the beginning of /sources/libsmf-1.3/src/smfsh.c, close to other #include directives[10:26:53] <Dacian> ok[10:26:54] <Dacian> thx[10:27:50] <mikedld|w> if that file is present in Haiku, which I'm not really sure and cannot check right now[10:28:07] <Dacian> that lib is already included[10:29:50] <mikedld|w> maybe it's included conditionally, on some specific systems only[10:30:28] <mikedld|w> hmm, I see `#ifdef __MINGW32__` only[10:31:02] <Dacian> i've added it separately but i didn't delete those lines[10:31:03] <mikedld|w> oh, got it, the declarations are guarded with _BSD_SOURCE, which you need to define when building it seems[10:32:11] <Dacian> so in recipe i have to add bsd source?[10:32:38] <mikedld|w> nope. when running configure, add CFLAGS="-D_BSD_SOURCE" to arguments[10:33:50] <mikedld|w> or maybe it's better to use CPPFLAGS for that instead, I'm not that much into autotools[10:35:02] <Dacian> do you mean runconfigure ./configure \ cppflags="-d_bsd_source"[10:35:02] <Dacian> ?[10:35:51] <mikedld|w> yes, but keep the case, so that it reads exactly ./configure CPPFLAGS="-D_BSD_SOURCE"[10:36:35] <mikedld|w> not sure what is "runconfigure" though[10:36:55] <Dacian> i know[10:37:06] <mikedld|w> k[10:38:08] <Dacian> i think it works now cuz it give me policy errors :)[10:38:34] <Dacian> now i'm going to add provides and i will came back with output[10:38:35] <mikedld|w> :) you don't need to patch smfsh.c then[10:38:51] <mikedld|w> should work as is[10:43:20] <Dacian> mikeld|w how can i fix this http://pastebin.com/pdJ52p1M ?[10:45:21] <mikedld|w> looks like you need to add requires { ... } to your recipe file[10:45:45] <Dacian> k thx[10:45:53] <Dacian> it builds[10:45:58] <Dacian> thank you man[10:49:41] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:186a:e60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:56:14] *** Emrys <Emrys!~emrys@92.87.13.132> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[11:16:24] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:16:53] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[11:19:00] *** xdizzaster <xdizzaster!~xdizzaste@46.108.17.76> has joined #haiku[11:25:52] *** owen <owen!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has joined #haiku[11:26:56] *** owen <owen!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[11:49:21] <Dacian> can someone help me with this http://pastebin.com/5Ye80Q2B ?[11:57:36] <xdizzaster> in proto.h, try replacing "ToolTip.h" with <ToolTip.h>[11:57:49] <xdizzaster> Dacian, see what happens[11:57:54] <Dacian> ok[11:58:47] <Dacian> same[12:05:43] <xdizzaster> ok, apparently, ToolTip.h is in /boot/system/develop/headers/private/interface/[12:05:50] <xdizzaster> I don't know what it means being in private[12:06:04] <xdizzaster> maybe someone with more experience than me can explain what that folder is for[12:10:16] <Duggan> private means it's not officially part of the API (Interface Kit in this instance)[12:10:32] <Duggan> it's probably not considered stable enough for general use[12:11:12] <Duggan> I have an application that uses the BColumnListView which is also in the same situation[12:12:25] <Duggan> I've never had a stability or corruption issue with BColumnListView, but that doesn't mean BToolTip is reliable though, so use at your own risk[12:13:07] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: GeneralDuke)[12:26:28] *** owen <owen!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has joined #haiku[12:27:43] *** owen <owen!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[12:33:37] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #haiku[12:41:21] *** euver <euver!~Thunderbi@p54A29007.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[12:41:38] *** euver <euver!~Thunderbi@p54A29007.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[13:00:41] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/9003a480da23...a91ae58041c5[13:00:43] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] xdizzaster a91ae58 - bebuilder: added recipe (#1034)[13:04:11] *** iMe <iMe!~iMe@94.136.92.20> has quit IRC (Quit: ZZZzzz…)[13:20:59] *** Emrys <Emrys!~emrys@92.87.13.132> has joined #haiku[13:27:23] *** owen <owen!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has joined #haiku[13:28:39] *** owen 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your not using a H.61 compiler on the boot scan device rescan module[14:27:02] *** amuck <amuck!~amuck@irc.harug.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[14:27:08] <KingsQuest> if you use a h.61 kernel.org compiler it will work flawlessly[14:27:12] <KingsQuest> contact kernel.org[14:27:22] <KingsQuest> h.91 actually[14:27:32] <KingsQuest> sorry definitely h.91[14:28:00] <KingsQuest> also any bugs on packages try to use clamav on it if supported or recompile them with h.91[14:28:12] *** owen <owen!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has joined #haiku[14:28:41] <KingsQuest> its a computer like IBM PS/2 that runs fast as heck and is nothing but pure and no bump glitches intentional or not[14:28:44] *** amuck <amuck!~amuck@2001:19f0:8001:13b:5400:ff:fe3f:cad9> has joined #haiku[14:29:44] *** owen <owen!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[14:31:06] <KingsQuest> line 71 of boot loader also needs h.91 compiler and its a instant club hit for any architecture. file "5409-1"[14:34:40] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[14:40:19] *** tresh <tresh!~vision@92.188.49.69> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[14:41:42] <Dacian> guys, for recipe of this app https://github.com/HaikuArchives/BrainWash ,do i have to just copy app somewhere or i have to build it?[14:43:08] <Dacian> @jessicah are you here?[14:47:03] <Emrys> @everyone who is a GCI student: don't forget to claim any task you wish to complete by 17:00 UTC time today, the deadline to claim a task.[14:47:16] <Dacian> ok[14:47:49] <Emrys> If you have any pending task that needs a review, make sure you submit everything at least an hour or 30 mins before that time so you can get a review, close the task and get one more task for the weekend.[14:48:24] <Dacian> when will we be able to see the reank?[14:48:25] <Emrys> thank you for your great work![14:48:33] <Dacian> No problem :)[14:49:03] <Emrys> Dacian, the final results should be announced by Google on january 30th[14:49:10] <Dacian> ok thx[14:49:25] <Dacian> i need help btw[14:49:26] <Dacian> :))[14:49:31] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[14:49:41] <Emrys> i'm not sure if we can provide the exact results after that. i know that at least in the first 3-4? years there was the leaderboard and everything was public but it's not anymore[14:49:56] <Dacian> aha[14:50:22] <Dacian> maybe you can publish it this year[14:50:23] <Emrys> if it's a recipe i'm not sure i can help. try pinging fbrosson on your PR or another mentor here.[14:50:48] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@AToulon-256-1-155-145.w83-113.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #haiku[14:50:48] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@AToulon-256-1-155-145.w83-113.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Changing host)[14:50:48] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has joined 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*** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@81-225-60-243-no168.bredband.skanova.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[16:20:42] *** [JJ]Albert <[JJ]Albert!~Albert@2602:306:3bf2:b330:bda3:c8f3:23f:1320> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[16:22:33] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@81-225-60-243-no168.bredband.skanova.com> has joined #haiku[16:26:19] *** iMe <iMe!~iMe@94.136.92.20> has quit IRC (Quit: ZZZzzz…)[16:29:04] *** Dacian <Dacian!5f4cbda7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.76.189.167> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[16:29:17] *** Emrys <Emrys!~emrys@92.87.13.132> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[16:29:25] *** Dacian <Dacian!5f4cbda7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.76.189.167> has joined #haiku[16:29:37] *** iMe <iMe!~iMe@94.136.92.20> has joined #haiku[16:30:18] *** owen <owen!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has joined #haiku[16:30:41] <Dacian> PulkoMandy or mmu_man or @jessicah can you help me?[16:31:51] *** owen 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<Emrys> yep, sorry for the confusion. both of those were my bad[17:02:24] <humdinger> no problem.[17:03:05] <Vanisha> It's fine . I should have added the .rdef in the first place[17:03:49] <humdinger> and while you were uploading the rdef, I put your pasting in a file and saved that rdef, Vanisha. :)[17:04:29] *** jessicah` <jessicah`!~jessicat@unaffiliated/jessicah> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[17:06:19] <Vanisha> hehe my bad , sorry[17:06:47] <Vanisha> Is there a page on Haiku where I can still find tasks and complete them after GCI ?[17:06:57] <Vanisha> or do I personally need to ask mentors ?[17:08:26] <Emrys> we might have such a page added later on[17:08:41] <Emrys> if we haven't already. though not up to date?[17:08:41] <Dacian> @humdinger[17:08:56] <Dacian> can you help me with something[17:08:57] <Dacian> ?[17:09:09] <humdinger> maybe Dacian.[17:09:12] <Dacian> http://pastebin.com/cYYwdBzh[17:09:12] <Emrys> Vanisha, so your best bet is to check on here later and ask around[17:09:33] <Dacian> http://pastebin.com/iLK275CM[17:09:37] <Vanisha> Emrys: Cool :)[17:09:43] <humdinger> Vanisha: and the issue tracker at https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/issues always has stuff to do.[17:09:48] *** Guma <Guma!~Guma@2601:249:301:6a33:79b4:5781:9093:d300> has joined #haiku[17:09:57] <humdinger> as do all the issue trackers at HaikuArchives[17:11:10] <Vanisha> humdinger: Thanks for that ! So all I need to do is create a PR and let a mentor know about that I created it . RIght ?[17:11:47] <humdinger> after GCI?[17:11:54] <Vanisha> Yup[17:12:06] <humdinger> there's a message sent out with every PR.[17:12:11] <humdinger> fbrosson will see it :)[17:12:22] <humdinger> or someone else there are several people on board.[17:12:32] <Vanisha> Okay :)[17:13:58] <humdinger> hmm... can't reach github from here atm...[17:14:13] <jessicah> yeah seems to be done[17:15:09] <Dacian> guys can you help me with this? http://pastebin.com/cYYwdBzh[17:15:09] <humdinger> strangely, http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/github.com/HaikuArchives disagrees.[17:15:19] <jessicah> Dacian: on line 116, try change NULL to (const char*)NULL[17:15:31] <Dacian> it says the same[17:15:45] <jessicah> humdinger: well, technically you can still reach github[17:15:49] <jessicah> you just get the unicorn page[17:16:04] <humdinger> oh, right...[17:16:14] <jessicah> https://status.github.com/[17:16:19] <jessicah> there we go, officially down[17:16:28] <humdinger> we only see its head, so we cn't determine if it farts rainbows.[17:16:30] <jessicah> availability: 0%[17:16:35] *** iMe <iMe!~iMe@94.136.92.20> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:17:25] <jessicah> Dacian: hmm, okay, change NULL to ""[17:17:48] <humdinger> Dacian: hasn't PulkoMandy suggested something similar on your task?[17:18:04] <Dacian> it did but same error every time[17:18:45] <Dacian> http://pastebin.com/BnXrksFK[17:20:05] <jessicah> that's really odd[17:21:25] <jessicah> gah, I can't run a VM atm either[17:21:30] * jessicah sighs[17:22:10] *** hako_ <hako_!~hako@2a01:388:394:112::1:8> has joined #haiku[17:23:03] *** hako <hako!~hako@2a01:388:394:112::1:8> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:23:43] *** tresh <tresh!~vision@92.188.49.69> has joined #haiku[17:24:51] <jessicah> Dacian: what if you change it to BMenuField(frame, "menufield", label, new BPopUpMenu("resolution"), B_FOLLOW_LEFT | B_FOLLOW_TOP, B_WILL_DRAW | B_NAVIGABLE)[17:25:51] <jessicah> or, perhaps other thing to try is change new BPopUpMenu("resolution") to (BMenu*)(new BPopUpMenu("resolution"))[17:26:09] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: GeneralDuke)[17:26:49] <Dacian> do you mean BMenuField(frame, "menufield", label, new BMenu("resolution"), B_FOLLOW_LEFT | B_FOLLOW_TOP, B_WILL_DRAW | B_NAVIGABLE)[17:26:50] <Dacian> ?[17:29:36] <Dacian> @jessicah[17:29:53] <jessicah> no[17:30:02] <Dacian> i've done that[17:30:05] <Dacian> it worked[17:30:12] <jessicah> BPopUpMenu[17:30:26] <jessicah> otherwise the control panel won't work correctly[17:30:53] <Dacian> what do i have to write in install?[17:31:01] *** owen <owen!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has joined #haiku[17:31:05] <jessicah> I meant, in second line, to use: BMenuField(frame, NULL, label, (BMenu*)(new BPopUpMenu("resolution")))[17:31:12] <Dacian> make install or those commands with cp ?[17:32:09] <jessicah> no, cp will work, except you need to use a different directory[17:32:29] <jessicah> humdinger: github is back[17:32:57] <humdinger> oh, great![17:33:11] <Dacian> what directory[17:33:12] <jessicah> Dacian: you need to use $addOnsDir/Screen\ Savers[17:33:15] *** owen <owen!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has left #haiku[17:33:25] <jessicah> err, $addOnsDir/Screen\ Savers/[17:33:30] <Dacian> mkdir and that?[17:33:43] <jessicah> yup[17:33:49] <jessicah> and remove the symlink command[17:33:58] <Dacian> ok[17:33:58] <jessicah> so just mkdir & cp[17:37:02] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~premislau@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[17:37:14] <Dacian> now makefile doesn't work again[17:38:46] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[17:39:58] <jessicah> what did you do?[17:40:06] <Dacian> nothing[17:40:13] <Vidrep> Hi[17:40:36] <humdinger> Hi Vidrep![17:40:50] <Vidrep> Hey humdinger[17:41:00] <Vidrep> Last day of GCI?[17:41:43] <Vidrep> Let's hope some of this young blood stays around to help and learn[17:41:53] <Dacian> http://pastebin.com/3yydYjzG[17:42:25] <humdinger> I notify Emrys[17:43:07] *** lezsakdomi <lezsakdomi!~led@540354BE.catv.pool.telekom.hu> has joined #haiku[17:44:30] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@92.87.13.132> has joined #haiku[17:44:30] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@92.87.13.132> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[17:45:15] *** Emrys_ <Emrys_!~vision@92.87.13.132> has joined #haiku[17:45:57] <Dacian> @jessicah[17:46:18] <Dacian> now it says mk cannot create dir file or dir already exist[17:47:04] <Emrys> humdinger, it's Emrys_[17:50:06] *** KingsQuest <KingsQuest!~quassel@unaffiliated/kingsquest> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:50:51] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[17:51:23] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@AToulon-256-1-155-145.w83-113.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #haiku[17:51:23] *** illwieckz 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create directory '/Screen Savers': File or Directory already exists[18:08:24] <humdinger> Dacian: needs -p[18:08:38] <humdinger> and the saver does work, I just had to install it...[18:09:02] <Dacian> where -p?[18:09:11] *** lezsakdomi <lezsakdomi!~led@540354BE.catv.pool.telekom.hu> has left #haiku ("Leaving")[18:09:26] <humdinger> mkdir -p[18:10:25] <Dacian> cp: cannot stat 'objects/brainwash': No such file or directory[18:10:51] <humdinger> it's in objects.x86-gcc2-release[18:11:03] <humdinger> or you have to alter the make line to put it somewhere else[18:12:11] <Dacian> mkdir -p $addOnDir/Screen\ Savers[18:12:11] <Dacian> cp -a objects/brainwash $appsDir[18:12:23] <Dacian> these are my commands from install[18:13:13] <humdinger> try make $jobArgs OBJ_DIR=objects when building and it can work[18:13:31] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[18:13:36] *** Emrys_ <Emrys_!~vision@92.87.13.132> has left #haiku[18:13:40] *** xdizzaster <xdizzaster!~xdizzaste@46.108.17.76> has joined #haiku[18:13:53] * humdinger is idle: dinner[18:15:25] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[18:16:27] <Dacian> http://pastebin.com/QPijJpG9[18:17:42] <humdinger> Dacian: it's cp -a objects/brainwash $addOnDir/Screen\ Savers[18:17:51] <Dacian> ....[18:18:10] <humdinger> and app:BrainWash$secondaryArchSuffix is addon:BrainWash$secondaryArchSuffix[18:18:45] <humdinger> And I doubt there's a make check, so nothing to TEST()[18:21:00] <Dacian> same error with output objects/brainwash no such file or dir[18:22:55] <Dacian> my fault[18:26:40] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has joined #haiku[18:27:14] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[18:29:57] *** savant_d <savant_d!~savant@109.195.89.136> has joined #haiku[18:30:35] <Vidrep> If x86_64 is going to be a supported release stating from Beta 1, shouldn't we design a nice logo for the bootsplash?[18:30:43] <Vidrep> *starting[18:31:20] <Vidrep> Has that decision regarding support for 64 bit been made yet?[18:37:16] *** orealis <orealis!~cre8or@51.174.179.178> has joined #haiku[18:43:34] *** Emrys <Emrys!~emrys@92.87.13.132> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[18:49:00] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:186a:e60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[18:51:49] *** Vanisha <Vanisha!0e8b9ca7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.139.156.167> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[18:54:26] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@p2003005B441FBD00022314FFFEAF6410.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[19:00:39] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d855024.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[19:02:34] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d855024.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[19:02:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[19:08:57] *** 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<humdinger> I bet he rather wants other people to fork and work on it. :)[20:01:14] <Skipp_OSX> of course that's what he means[20:01:39] <Skipp_OSX> "It that case there will be modern Haiku spinoff. ... I hope."[20:02:17] <humdinger> there will be. It'll be called R2 branch[20:02:33] <Skipp_OSX> humdinger, he had previously said that theming support was a must-have for R1[20:03:10] <Skipp_OSX> in reply to me saying, "here's how I'd like theming to work... but this is all R2"[20:03:33] <humdinger> don't let them waste your time.[20:03:44] <humdinger> there's a reason few devs hang out in the forums.[20:03:44] <Skipp_OSX> I know but it irks me[20:03:54] <humdinger> discussions quickly can turn ugly.[20:03:58] <humdinger> or at least pointless.[20:04:54] <humdinger> waddlesplash: is there an ignore feature that could be activated in the forums?[20:05:09] <waddlesplash> humdinger: what kind of ignore?[20:05:23] <waddlesplash> I think Discourse has support for user-to-user blocking[20:05:29] <humdinger> that I don't see the posts and replies to a user.[20:05:38] <humdinger> sounds good.[20:06:12] <waddlesplash> humdinger: User preferences -> Muting[20:06:19] <waddlesplash> humdinger: Your user preferences I mean, not his[20:06:20] <Skipp_OSX> I don't think he should be blocked, he has a right to an opinion, but, if I could hide his drivel just for me, I'd be alright with hat[20:06:21] <humdinger> however, as moderator I probably shouldn't use it... :\[20:06:26] <waddlesplash> yeah, that's true[20:06:53] <humdinger> Skipp_OSX: no no banning. just for people to opt not having to listen to him.[20:07:06] <waddlesplash> humdinger: looks like that just stops you from getting notifications if he posts[20:07:06] <humdinger> (or her)[20:07:22] <waddlesplash> still better than nothing, I suppose.[20:07:22] <humdinger> but still see the posts.[20:07:25] <waddlesplash> yes[20:07:39] <humdinger> oh well. it's not that bad.[20:07:57] <humdinger> taking deep breaths and counting to ten still works for me.[20:08:07] <waddlesplash> :)[20:08:32] *** PulkoMandy <PulkoMandy!~pulkomand@aus31-1-78-207-239-160.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[20:09:52] *** PulkoMandy <PulkoMandy!~pulkomand@aus31-1-78-207-239-160.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[20:13:59] *** Emrys <Emrys!~emrys@92.87.13.132> has joined #haiku[20:14:51] *** savant_d <savant_d!~savant@109.195.89.136> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[20:15:31] *** savant_d <savant_d!~savant@109.195.89.136> has joined #haiku[20:19:26] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-092-252-024-004.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has joined #haiku[20:19:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[20:24:40] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d855024.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[20:31:16] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/951f53a01e08...9489c35b5990[20:31:17] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 9489c35 - shijin4: Remove extra padding on small screens.[20:34:39] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@178-164-163-92.pool.digikabel.hu> has joined #haiku[20:45:21] <Vidrep> Having problems are we?[20:50:47] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-9-99.moscow.rt.ru> has joined #haiku[20:51:26] *** Lelldorin1 <Lelldorin1!~lelldorin@x4e36386f.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[20:59:17] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has joined #haiku[21:02:04] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 3 commits to master [+1/-0/±4] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/9489c35b5990...418c9b9a60f9[21:02:06] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash b0f46fd - layouts: More copyright-year updates.[21:02:07] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 2397252 - content: Backdate Contact pages to bump them out of the RSS feeds.[21:02:09] <Not-4c8d> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 418c9b9 - static: Add a _redirects file.[21:03:21] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@173-14-248-42-washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:09:29] *** savant_d <savant_d!~savant@109.195.89.136> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[21:17:06] *** orealis <orealis!~cre8or@51.174.179.178> has quit IRC (Quit: yap...)[21:26:30] *** orealis <orealis!~cre8or@51.174.179.178> has joined #haiku[21:26:41] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[21:36:54] *** AndrewZ <AndrewZ!4a4b0cb6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.75.12.182> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[21:37:11] <Duggan> greetings[21:39:49] *** lezsakdomi <lezsakdomi!~led@540354BE.catv.pool.telekom.hu> has joined #haiku[21:43:14] <lezsakdomi> Hi![21:43:35] <lezsakdomi> Can Haiku be easily installed using pendrive?[21:44:42] <Duggan> yes, depending on your definition of "easily" and what kind of system you have[21:46:56] <lezsakdomi> I have linux. My friend uses Windows, and INTERESTED in programming. I need to explain him the process[21:47:20] <lezsakdomi> Aaaand I have a debian based linux os and interested in Haiku[21:47:28] <lezsakdomi> (just interested)[21:48:23] *** xemdetia_ <xemdetia_!xemdetia@nat/ibm/x-deakxegyhmjetbmr> has joined #haiku[21:51:09] <Duggan> does the computer you plan on installing onto have EFI or the older style BIOS? because that affects the installation procedure quite a bit[21:51:17] *** xemdetia <xemdetia!~xemdetia@129.42.208.174> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[21:51:18] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@178-164-163-92.pool.digikabel.hu> has quit IRC ()[21:52:01] <lezsakdomi> Pff, maybe BIOS[21:52:46] <lezsakdomi> So i need to know, what the installer NEED.[21:52:53] <Duggan> if it's just a regular BIOS, you can dd the image to the disk and boot form there, no issues[21:53:23] <lezsakdomi> Hmmm, that's interesting. We'll try :)[21:53:35] <Duggan> to the USB disk[21:54:05] <Duggan> also, make sure you have room for a partition before trying to install... you can delete and create partitions with DiskSetup, but you can't resize them[21:54:19] <Duggan> DriveSetup*[21:54:52] <lezsakdomi> Yes, we're done with that using GParted :)[21:56:00] <Duggan> good, now just take your Haiku image (either anyboot or raw) and dd it to the USB drive, then boot from the USB drive, run the installer, set up partitions with DriveSetup (create a BeFS partition), install to that partition, boot to it and you're done :)[21:56:22] <Duggan> if the computer ends up having EFI, the process is a little different and a little more complex[21:56:30] <lezsakdomi> OK![21:56:49] <lezsakdomi> (So on Win, using Win32DiskImager)[21:57:02] <Duggan> if it does the same thing as dd, yes[21:57:10] <lezsakdomi> ((This seems to be too easy))[21:57:19] <Duggan> I did mine from windows but I forgot the name of the program I used.... I think it was DiskImager but not sure[21:57:25] <Duggan> lezsakdomi it's supposed to be easy :P[21:57:45] <Duggan> but there will probably be hiccups :P (there always are for me haha)[21:58:02] <DHowett> some EFI machines can do "legacy boot" like a BIOS[21:58:07] <DHowett> but some of THOSE can't do USB legacy boot[21:58:15] <Duggan> DHowett yeah, mine is supposed to and it never worked for me[21:58:20] <DHowett> Duggan: :([21:58:24] <DHowett> i'm over here on an efi only machine[21:58:34] <Duggan> we have an EFI bootloader now so you don't have to use legacy mode anyway[21:58:38] <DHowett> yep[21:58:48] <DHowett> but i can't recall if boot completes on it[21:58:55] <Duggan> works fine for me... I'm on it now[21:59:00] <DHowett> ![21:59:15] <DHowett> i know what i'll be doing with my sick day today[21:59:19] <Duggan> lol[21:59:50] <Duggan> well, one thing about it is that I have to keep the USB drive with the EFI file plugged in to be able to boot, I can't just straight boot from disk (yet)[22:00:54] <Duggan> but I can boot any Haiku partition with it (the bootloader lets me pick which install to boot)[22:02:40] <lezsakdomi> I was ever using YUMI, when windows+USB comes to place[22:02:46] <Duggan> DHowett also, if you boot with EFI, you ***HAVE*** to use x86_64[22:03:07] <DHowett> yep[22:03:41] <lezsakdomi> That installs a syslinux and a grub whit a syslinux-bootentry and can configure an ISO whit just one click. And, of course, I can edit the files too[22:03:48] <Duggan> just making sure you know hehe[22:04:02] *** eschatologist <eschatologist!~chanson@c-73-189-131-221.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[22:04:19] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/a91ae58041c5...115800f059b1[22:04:20] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] dacianf 115800f - libmspack: new recipe (#1050)[22:05:22] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/115800f059b1...7d033fdc5b6e[22:05:24] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] xdizzaster 7d033fd - babybe:added recipe (#1054)[22:08:22] *** lezsakdomi <lezsakdomi!~led@540354BE.catv.pool.telekom.hu> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:10:55] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:12:17] *** dax007 <dax007!ab4f4444@gateway/web/freenode/ip.171.79.68.68> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[22:14:43] *** pdziepak <pdziepak!~pdziepak@188.172.154.225> has joined #haiku[22:14:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o pdziepak[22:15:56] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[22:16:54] <Vidrep> jessicah, do you mind if I ask you a question re. GPT partitions and EFI boot?[22:19:15] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has joined #haiku[22:19:59] <Vidrep> Hi bbjimmy[22:20:14] <bbjimmy> Good Afternoon![22:20:17] <Vidrep> How goes your Yab work?[22:21:24] <bbjimmy> nust fixed the IDE to open the proper folder when one selects "Open project folder"[22:21:41] <bbjimmy> *just[22:22:37] <bbjimmy> looking at locale stuff doesn't look very easy.[22:23:10] <Vidrep> I haven't downloaded or used any Yab apps for weeks now. However, I'm a big fan of the work you, Lelldorin, lorglas are doing - some of the coolest little utilities for Haiku.[22:23:30] <bbjimmy> :)[22:24:19] <bbjimmy> I also have a great game... LoopDeLoop[22:24:27] <bbjimmy> programmed in yab[22:25:43] <Duggan> is it time for a shameless plug? :D[22:25:57] *** savant_d <savant_d!~savant@178.162.117.40> has joined #haiku[22:26:11] <Duggan> https://github.com/DeweyTaylor/PersonalIssueTracker still a bit buggy, but I just got it up and running yesterday after 7 years' of bitrot[22:26:15] <Vidrep> I'm not much of a gamer, but I understand the need for such things. Haiku shouldn't be all work, but fun also.[22:26:53] <Duggan> no screenshots up yet, I need to do that...[22:27:01] <Vidrep> Duggan, some BeOS apps have been rotting for much longer than that[22:27:13] <Duggan> Vidrep yeah but that is a native Haiku app I wrote[22:27:33] <Duggan> I needed a trac-like bug database for me to use for my personal projects, so I wrote one :P[22:27:40] <Vidrep> I'm a big believer in native apps[22:27:44] <Duggan> me too[22:28:14] <Vidrep> If everything is going to be a port, I may just as well use Linux[22:28:33] <Duggan> yeah.... tell me about it :/[22:30:07] <Vidrep> Some guys are big on pushing QT, which I understand. But I never want those apps to be permanent replacements for native ones[22:31:08] <Vidrep> We're in a situation where the only available apps (mostly) are old BeOS ones, or ports from other platforms.[22:31:51] <Vidrep> Hopefully we'll get to the point where devs start creating good solid native applications for haiku[22:33:38] *** savant_d <savant_d!~savant@178.162.117.40> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[22:34:25] <KapiX> vidrep: you can't have all of them native though[22:34:42] <KapiX> compiling LibreOffice made me realize how much code to write is there[22:34:48] <Duggan> Vidrep Qt was developed at the same time as the BeAPI and many believe it was actually a clone of the API itself since it works so similarly[22:35:03] <Vidrep> KapiX, maybe not now, but why not later?[22:35:13] * Duggan agrees with Vidrep[22:35:15] <KapiX> still there are milions of manhours[22:35:37] <Duggan> ok guys, you heard it... give up, everybody install linux... we're just wasting time here :P[22:35:50] <KapiX> I never said that[22:36:27] <Duggan> then quit making excuses and lets get started making native software people want to use :)[22:36:44] <Vidrep> I would hope that eventually commercial software developers will make apps for Haiku, like they once did for BeOS (BeatWare, GoBe, etc)[22:36:54] <KapiX> Duggan I do[22:36:56] *** punsith <punsith!44834d22@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.68.131.77.34> has joined #haiku[22:37:39] <Vidrep> I know my wish is more than a little optimistic. It's a different time now.[22:37:41] <Duggan> KapiX that's why I'm writing a c++ parser... not because it hasn't been done, but 1: because I've never done it, and 2: because we need native software :P[22:38:19] *** punsith <punsith!44834d22@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.68.131.77.34> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:39:05] <Duggan> (I need a c++ parser for another project I'm wanting to write)[22:39:48] <xdizzaster> About that, I was wondering, with GCI wrapping up, what are some things people like me, with little experience in OS dev, can do to help?[22:40:19] <Duggan> xdizzaster well, start by gaining experience with OS dev :D[22:40:30] <Vidrep> That's why I use Web+ exclusively, despite it's current limitations. Use it, report bugs, and help make it better.[22:40:30] <KapiX> Duggan it's a bit like rolling out your own crypto, you can do that, but is it going to be safe?[22:40:34] <Duggan> here's a good place to do it :) besides that, there's all sorts of projects on haikuports that need love[22:40:36] <xdizzaster> Duggan, easier said than done :([22:40:57] <Duggan> xdizzaster also, check the trac database for bugs[22:41:04] <xdizzaster> Yeah, I mostly wrote recipes for haikuports[22:41:06] <Duggan> if you can reproduce an issue, that means you can help fix it[22:41:13] <xdizzaster> Is there a list of stuff that needs recipes?[22:41:28] <Duggan> xdizzaster a lot of the programs need actual changes to build I'm sure, so you can do more than just write recipes[22:41:31] <KapiX> xdizzaster issue #108 ;)[22:41:58] <Vidrep> xdizzaster, you can contribute in so many ways. Bug reporting, bug fixing, writing recipes, hardware testing...[22:42:25] <Duggan> KapiX the one that's been closed for 11 years? https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/108[22:42:33] <KapiX> no, I mean haikuports issue[22:42:38] <Duggan> oh :P[22:42:48] <xdizzaster> KapiX, dang, that looks like a lot[22:42:56] <xdizzaster> Duggan, he means the LO deps[22:43:00] <xdizzaster> I think[22:43:10] <KapiX> actually libs required to build it do have recipes and work[22:43:21] <KapiX> but I've tested them only on x86[22:43:43] <KapiX> and Debugger is useless there, since it very quickly runs out of memory when loading debug symbols[22:44:03] <KapiX> making sure they work on x86_64 would be helpful[22:44:30] <KapiX> though I am still going to need a machine with 16+ GB of RAM for Debugger to work[22:44:43] <Duggan> xdizzaster either way, there's plenty of issues there and in the trac database both that need to be worked on... we have no shortage of stuff to do :)[22:45:02] <Vidrep> xdizzaster, there are also several hundred (thousand?) subtle fixes that were detected by Coverity static analyser, and also the one done by PVS Studio.[22:45:59] <Duggan> Vidrep where is the output for those at these days?[22:46:03] *** kb7sqi <kb7sqi!~kb7sqi@cpe-104-138-252-166.triad.res.rr.com> has joined #haiku[22:46:09] <xdizzaster> Vidrep, you lost me there. Mind explaining Covertity and PVS Studio?[22:46:14] <Vidrep> https://scan.coverity.com/projects/haiku-32bit[22:46:30] <Duggan> xdizzaster they are programs that scan the code and tell you every little tiny problem they can find with it[22:46:43] <Vidrep> http://www.viva64.com/en/b/0317/[22:46:50] <xdizzaster> thanks, I get it now. I was not sure where to look[22:46:56] <pdziepak> xdizzaster: they are static code analysis code, basically programs that try to understand the code and find some (rather basic) potential problems[22:46:57] <Duggan> xdizzaster like outputting all the warnings from gcc when you build the haiku repo :P[22:47:03] <Duggan> but worse[22:47:03] <pdziepak> generally, fixing them can be very boring[22:47:06] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy has a list somewhere. I'll post the link when I find it[22:47:33] <Vidrep> Hey Pawel[22:47:38] <pdziepak> hi[22:47:44] <KapiX> pulkomandy.github.io[22:47:57] <Vidrep> Boring but has to be done.[22:48:03] *** kb7sqi <kb7sqi!~kb7sqi@cpe-104-138-252-166.triad.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:48:52] <pdziepak> Vidrep: yes, but if someone wants to start contributing to the project better not to direct them to the most boring tasks there are[22:48:56] *** cucujoidea <cucujoidea!5439cdc7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.57.205.199> has joined #haiku[22:49:15] <Vidrep> Just like an engineering office, designing is interesting, but eventually the boring task of checking everybodys work has to be done before it goes to the client[22:49:34] <pdziepak> it's different if you are getting paid for doing that[22:49:51] <pdziepak> then you have at least money to motivate you[22:50:57] <Duggan> also, if we have our own c++ parser we can roll our own static code analysis suite (in addition to the free services provided by those above)[22:51:11] <Duggan> or somebody could write one with llvm :P[22:51:18] <Vidrep> Nobody is saying it has to be done to the exclusion of everything else.[22:51:19] <pdziepak> Duggan: i see very serious nih syndrome here ;)[22:51:29] <Duggan> pdziepak nih?[22:51:54] <pdziepak> not invented here[22:52:02] <Duggan> lol yeah[22:52:25] <Duggan> I don't mind reinvening the wheel as long as I'm learning something from it and it's something I can *use*[22:54:29] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[22:54:35] <Vidrep> Here's the ML post with all of the PVS links: http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku-development/Analysis-of-Haiku-by-PVS-studio[22:55:26] <pdziepak> Duggan: well, i rarely use my own programs, usually when i need some kind of tool i need it right away, tested, working and there already is one available[22:56:56] <Vidrep> Here is the page for Coverity: https://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/Coverity[22:57:15] <Duggan> pdziepak I had too much to learn by doing it myself :) I'm not giving up, but I am considering looking at alternatives to move the project to the next phase, just to get toward a useful tool faster[22:58:36] <pdziepak> i believe i said something similar last time we spoke, if you want tool in a usable state soon writing your own parser is not a good idea[22:58:42] <pdziepak> libclang is waiting for you ;)[22:59:27] <Duggan> looking at it now :P[22:59:54] <Duggan> but I will NOT be giving up on my own parser :P[23:03:10] <Vidrep> pdziepak, what are you workingon these days?[23:03:39] <pdziepak> ScyllaDB, a nosql database[23:03:44] *** HaikuUser is now known as Dane__[23:03:52] <Dane__> Hello classmates[23:04:09] <Dane__> Anybody here into Raspberry Pi (or its derivatives)?[23:05:36] <Dane__> mmu_man bonkity bonk[23:06:05] <Vidrep> I prefer Blueberry pie :)[23:07:17] <Duggan> classmates?[23:07:59] <Duggan> this is the official Haiku channel, there's a lot more here than GCI students ;)[23:08:16] <mmu_man> plop[23:08:21] <mmu_man> Dane__: happy new year![23:08:58] <Duggan> hey mmu_man :)[23:10:22] <Duggan> llvm is BSD licensed right?[23:10:27] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[23:10:41] <Duggan> ah yes it is, ok[23:11:29] <pdziepak> i don't think it is exactly bsd, but something compatible[23:11:34] <pdziepak> definitely not gpl[23:11:53] <Duggan> it's BSD.... http://www.llvm.org[23:11:57] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/7d033fdc5b6e...4adf4d553257[23:11:59] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson 4adf4d5 - geoipupdate: bump to 2.3.1, add TEST().[23:12:01] <Dane__> mmu_man Same to you[23:12:14] <Duggan> pdziepak and because it's not GPL, that means it's good in my book :D[23:12:37] <pdziepak> they say it's "BSD-style licence"[23:12:56] <pdziepak> full name seems to be "University of Illinois/NCSA Open Source License"[23:13:04] <pdziepak> no wonder why the just say BSD-style[23:13:31] <Duggan> pdziepak they say that because they aren't Berkely.... it's the same thing :P[23:13:44] <Duggan> everybody does that[23:13:50] <Duggan> well, everybody that uses the BSD license :P[23:14:25] <Dane__> mmu_man priv[23:15:30] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[23:16:06] <Duggan> note to self: www.osi.org is NOT the open source initiative website...[23:16:28] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:17:27] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!~vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:18:04] <Duggan> pdziepak: compare: http://www.opensource.org/licenses/UoI-NCSA.php https://opensource.org/licenses/BSD-3-Clause[23:19:43] <Duggan> pdziepak the only difference is the first statement, which doesn't say a lot really...[23:21:10] <pdziepak> looks like open source licences don't get good copyright protection themselves ;)[23:22:10] <Duggan> lol[23:22:28] <Duggan> sometimes they do, like Microsoft's licenses I believe[23:22:43] <Duggan> ever consider they might be "open source" licenses? :P[23:23:05] <DHowett> i forget what it means when the haiku loader shows "continue booting" in gray until the disk is selected[23:23:18] <DHowett> it finds it and all, it just doesn't want to _do_ anything with it until you go re-select it[23:23:30] <DHowett> (though it pretends it's selected already)[23:23:33] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-82-11-80.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:23:53] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-205-22-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[23:23:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[23:24:53] <Duggan> pdziepak: http://www.opensource.org/licenses/category look under "licenses that are redundant with more popular licenses"[23:25:47] <Duggan> they removed the Beerware and DWTFYW licenses[23:26:31] <Duggan> DHowett yeah, I'm not a huge fan of that, but it has already kept me from booting the wrong partition once or twice[23:26:55] <pdziepak> i'd like to see a list of licences for licences, "permission is hereby granted to use this licence to grant a permission..."[23:27:32] *** _Dario <_Dario!~yaaic@181.104.50.29> has joined #haiku[23:28:02] <Duggan> pdziepak buy a doman, make a website, and there you go... you would be the authority on license licensing :P[23:29:05] <Duggan> ask for $10 to certify a license is a particular type of license[23:29:23] <DHowett> holy cow, i just got a machine from 0 to desktop on UEFI[23:29:30] <DHowett> batting 1 for 3 uefi machines[23:29:36] <Duggan> DHowett congrats :)[23:30:19] <Duggan> now that you've got your stick set up (I assume) the other 2 should be easy too[23:30:29] <DHowett> my two Surface devices were more than a little unhappy; one dropped into KDL because of a pci irq mapping issue, and the keyboard was not connected (easy fix, but it has one USB port)[23:30:45] <Duggan> ah, maybe not then :)[23:30:56] *** xdizzaster <xdizzaster!~xdizzaste@46.108.17.76> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:31:02] <DHowett> and the other wouldn't even get far enough to display on-screen debug; puzzlingly, it did let me choose a volume and it even displayed the stage icons[23:31:21] <Duggan> weird[23:31:29] <DHowett> i'll get FTDI debugging up soon[23:31:31] <DHowett> :)[23:31:48] <Dane__> bbl[23:31:51] <Duggan> good luck[23:31:53] <Duggan> later Dane__[23:32:38] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-092-252-024-004.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Quit: axeld)[23:36:31] *** Emrys <Emrys!~emrys@92.87.13.132> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:40:00] *** Dacian <Dacian!5f4cbda7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.76.189.167> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[23:53:48] *** _Dario <_Dario!~yaaic@181.104.50.29> has quit IRC (Quit: Yaaic - 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