January 5, 2017 
< | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23 | 24 | 25 | 26 | 27 | 28 | 29 | 30 | 31 | >
January 5, 2017 [00:00:19] <punsith> i found 5 files :o[00:00:27] <Duggan> where /boot/system/develop/headers is a standard include directory, the difference between the original path and the new one is the old one had "be" and the new one has "os", so just change "be" to "os" and it should work[00:00:56] <punsith> okay i will :)[00:01:06] <Duggan> punsith you have to be able to tell which one is the right one :P I have 6... most of them are from repos or whatnot and are not the proper ones[00:02:05] <punsith> yes i am cheking r8 now :) thank you again[00:05:12] <Vidrep> Looking in the PrintTestApp.hpp I see this line: #define PRINTTEST_SIGNATURE "application/x-vnd.OpenBeOS-printtest"[00:05:30] <Vidrep> I guess it hasn't been touched in 15 years[00:06:32] <Duggan> lol looks like it[00:06:42] <Duggan> but a lot of stuff hasn't...[00:07:10] <Duggan> at least it doesn't still say x-vnd.BeOS-printtest or x-vnd.BeInc-printtest ?[00:07:57] <Vidrep> Here's another one in PrintTestWindow.cpp: : Inherited(BRect(100,100,500,300), "OpenBeOS Printing", B_DOCUMENT_WINDOW, 0)[00:10:58] <Duggan> hehe[00:12:52] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@81-225-60-243-no168.bredband.skanova.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:15:55] <Vidrep> Practically everything in haiku/src/kits/print is OpenBeOS[00:16:41] <Vidrep> Am I the only Haiku user who actually prints to paper? I hope not[00:18:09] <Vidrep> Duggan, so are you going to start developing for Haiku again on a regular basis?[00:18:18] <Duggan> Vidrep I hope so[00:18:52] <Duggan> I'm kind of running native right now, but since this computer has EFI, I have to run 64 bit which is in need of some love... I can't build right now so nothing serious until then[00:18:52] <Vidrep> In what areas exactly? I did read the IRC logs and have some idea already.[00:18:59] *** xemdetia_ <xemdetia_!xemdetia@nat/ibm/x-irqexmqcrdawuwwx> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[00:19:04] <Duggan> right now I'm planning to focus on graphics[00:19:12] <Duggan> brb[00:20:50] <Duggan> back[00:21:56] <Duggan> the more I look into it and the more I learn, the more I realise just how lacking Haiku is as far as graphics is concerned[00:22:22] <Duggan> and I believe the lack of hardware acceleration is probably one of the largest components keeping Haiku from being more popular[00:22:49] <Duggan> (one of)[00:24:02] <Vidrep> I always say, "Any progress is good progress"[00:25:16] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@173-14-248-42-washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #haiku[00:25:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[00:25:24] <Duggan> hej Skipp_OSX[00:25:30] <Vidrep> I'm always happy to see new devs join Haiku or older ones who have beeon out a while rejoin[00:25:31] <Skipp_OSX> hi Duggan[00:25:53] <Duggan> I'm not a dev... not even technically a contributor :P[00:26:16] <Vidrep> Me neither. Far from it[00:26:18] *** ADS_Sr_ <ADS_Sr_!~ADS_Sr@cpe-173-175-17-54.hot.res.rr.com> has joined #haiku[00:26:23] <Duggan> I've done some 3rd party development and I've hacked around the kernel a bit (scheduler) but I haven't actually *contributed* very much at all[00:26:47] <Vidrep> It's never too late[00:27:02] <Duggan> I've submitted a patch or two that was accepted.... other than that, I'm more an evangelist to be honest[00:27:55] <Vidrep> "Patches welcome!" LOL[00:28:10] <Duggan> yeah, I got that a few million times more than you have :P[00:28:21] <Duggan> and said it myself a few times :P[00:28:30] *** ADS_Sr <ADS_Sr!~ADS_Sr@cpe-173-175-17-54.hot.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[00:28:34] *** ADS_Sr_ is now known as ADS_Sr[00:31:34] <Duggan> right now I'm working on understanding the graphics drivers and DRM so I can replace the drivers with DRM... that's step one :P[00:33:02] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!~dario@181.47.131.175> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[00:33:15] *** euver1 <euver1!~Thunderbi@p54A29540.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[00:34:44] *** euver <euver!~Thunderbi@p54A28D7A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[00:34:44] *** euver1 is now known as euver[00:35:22] <Vidrep> Hi Barrett[00:35:30] <Vidrep> How you been doing?[00:36:49] *** raefaldhia <raefaldhia!24481834@gateway/web/freenode/ip.36.72.24.52> has joined #haiku[00:41:48] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!~dario@181.47.131.175> has joined #haiku[00:46:29] <_Dario_> 122222222222222222222222222222222222jk2222222¿[00:46:56] <_Dario_> Sorry... my cat step over the keyboard.. :-S[00:48:15] <Vidrep> lol[00:56:42] <Skipp_OSX> the is impressive[00:57:23] <Skipp_OSX> (option shift ? amiright)[00:58:13] <Duggan> I don't have an option button :'([00:59:39] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, aka Windows key[00:59:54] <Duggan> :P[01:00:02] <Duggan> still doesn't say option on it :P[01:00:22] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, true dat[01:01:33] *** js <js!~js@ip-95-222-169-90.hsi15.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #haiku[01:01:33] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o js[01:01:37] <Skipp_OSX> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/7967 <== I tried[01:04:18] <_Dario_> Skipp_OSX, I have a spanish layout. It have a dedicated key for '¿'[01:04:45] <Skipp_OSX> _Dario_, well that makes sense too[01:05:35] <Duggan> Skipp_OSX nice :D[01:11:02] <Skipp_OSX> _Dario_, either that or it must be a Spanish cat, a gato[01:13:21] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has joined #haiku[01:16:50] <_Dario_> yes, it's true, he is a "gato"[01:27:17] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[01:27:57] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-102-27-241.ks.ok.cox.net> has joined #haiku[01:27:58] *** rtcoder <rtcoder!~rohan@c-24-4-179-69.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[01:33:31] <raefaldhia> Hello, what should i use to play .mp3, BSoundPlayer? could i use BNode for the media_node?[01:33:41] *** Owen <Owen!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has joined #haiku[01:35:30] <Owen> i cant build DocumentViewer on haiku. building with haikuporter doesnt work either[01:35:36] <Skipp_OSX> raefaldhia, I assume you mean in a program you are writing[01:36:37] <raefaldhia> Skipp_OSX, i'm writting a music player program[01:38:13] <Owen> g++ on haiku is 2.95, but nullptr was not supported until 4.x[01:38:33] <raefaldhia> Owen: setarch x86[01:38:44] <raefaldhia> It would switch to GCC5[01:39:18] <Skipp_OSX> BNode is a file system node so it's a different thing[01:39:43] *** rtcoder <rtcoder!~rohan@c-24-4-179-69.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:40:32] <raefaldhia> Skipp_OSX, ok then thanks[01:41:17] <punsith> is this a directory in old haiku :: B_COMMON_ETC_DIRETCTROTY[01:41:19] <Skipp_OSX> raefaldhia, I'm looking for what you do use[01:41:26] <Owen> raefaldhia: i got the same error[01:42:47] <Skipp_OSX> raefaldhia, I think this is what you want: https://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/BSimpleGameSound_Overview.html[01:43:04] <Owen> changing setarch value wont solve c++ language features, i guess[01:43:56] <raefaldhia> Owen, if you build from haikuporter, haikuporter --get-dependencies DocumentViewer_x86, from make file setarch_x86 then make[01:44:22] <raefaldhia> Skipp_OSX thanks![01:46:37] <Skipp_OSX> punsith, https://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/BDirectory.html#find_directory <== Looks like B_COMMON_ETC_DIRECTORY was a thing[01:46:39] *** raefaldhia_ <raefaldhia_!24481834@gateway/web/freenode/ip.36.72.24.52> has joined #haiku[01:48:33] <Skipp_OSX> The Game Kit is sadly under documented and under developed[01:48:56] <punsith> is their any way to find the new names of it[01:48:59] *** raefaldhia <raefaldhia!24481834@gateway/web/freenode/ip.36.72.24.52> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[01:50:01] <Skipp_OSX> punsith, AFAIK the common/ directory have been removed and the constants also for reasons I don't quite understand[01:50:43] <Skipp_OSX> punsith, long story short, there is no equivalent but this is what we got: https://api.haiku-os.org/FindDirectory_8h.html[01:51:02] <Skipp_OSX> "The B_COMMON_* constants have been intentionally removed in Haiku R1, use the B_SYSTEM_* constants instead."[01:51:26] <Skipp_OSX> so I guess use B_SYSTEM_ETC_DIRECTORY[01:52:11] <punsith> okay i will try it thank you skipp_OSX :)[01:53:41] <punsith> it worked thank you :D[01:54:21] <Owen> i cloned DocumentViewer from HaikuArchives but cant build it.[01:56:14] <Owen> make gives g++ errors about nullptr[01:56:30] <Skipp_OSX> Owen, it looks like there is a Makefile in the application/ directory, are you building using that?[01:56:39] <Owen> yes[01:57:18] <Owen> it uses -std=c++0x for g++[01:57:39] <Owen> but the version of g++ is 2.95[01:57:45] <Skipp_OSX> I would think that contrary to what you said above, setarch will solve C++ language features in that it will switch to a much newer version of gcc[01:57:46] <Not-8398> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/b260fef0fc96...40a3354fb80e[01:57:47] <Not-8398> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson 40a3354 - sqlite: drop 3.14.2.0, keep 3.15.2.0, add 3.16.1.0.[01:59:35] <raefaldhia_> Well, after setarch you'll got different error about missing mupdf/fitz.h[02:00:19] <Owen> i tried setarch but got the same errors[02:02:52] <raefaldhia_> Owen, have you install all required package with HaikuDepot? https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/blob/c7f9af248b2c4c18e075c1ae4e69bf076334de63/haiku-apps/documentviewer/documentviewer-0.3_git.recipe#L32[02:05:14] *** raefaldhia <raefaldhia!24481834@gateway/web/freenode/ip.36.72.24.52> has joined #haiku[02:05:54] <jessicah> Owen: you probably need to build for gcc5[02:06:06] <jessicah> so tack on _x86[02:06:43] <jessicah> assuming you're on a gcc2hybrid[02:07:39] *** raefaldhia_ <raefaldhia_!24481834@gateway/web/freenode/ip.36.72.24.52> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[02:08:14] <Owen> raefaldhia: im compiling DocumentViewer source code with make, not installing it[02:08:26] <raefaldhia> I'd suggest to run: haikuporter --get-dependencies documentviewer_x86 first, it would install all required package to build documentviewer automatically and build documentviewer yourself with make command.[02:10:46] <Owen> jessicah: i ran make from the source directory which has a makefile. do i need to edit the makefile?[02:11:36] <jessicah> shouldn't do[02:13:08] <raefaldhia> Owen, i don't know why setarch won't work because it works here, http://sprunge.us/YfOS[02:15:37] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-9-81.nationalcablenetworks.ru> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[02:16:09] *** scottmc <scottmc!~scottmc@c-67-174-194-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[02:18:11] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@173-14-248-42-washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[02:21:12] *** Guma <Guma!~quassel@2601:249:301:6a33:45c3:70bb:bcae:4673> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:23:03] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-102-27-241.ks.ok.cox.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[02:26:11] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-102-27-241.ks.ok.cox.net> has joined #haiku[02:42:56] <Owen> raefaldhia: it still doesnt work: http://pastebin.com/9GBemw90[02:44:09] <raefaldhia> Owen, sorry : haikuporter --get-dependencies documentviewer_x86[02:44:15] <raefaldhia> with lowercase[02:44:57] <Owen> raefaldhia: i did use lowercase[02:45:34] <Owen> my haiku is running in virtualbox[02:47:15] <raefaldhia> What about, open haikudepot, search documentviewer and install it, that's same way as "haikuporter --get-dependencies documentviewer_x86"[02:48:23] <raefaldhia> I know you want to build it not install, but this method should work to get everything you need to build documentviewer yourself[02:48:27] <raefaldhia> *wont[02:48:31] <raefaldhia> eh[02:50:27] *** raefaldhia_ <raefaldhia_!24481834@gateway/web/freenode/ip.36.72.24.52> has joined #haiku[02:52:14] *** Emrys <Emrys!~emrys@92.87.13.132> has joined #haiku[02:53:10] *** raefaldhia <raefaldhia!24481834@gateway/web/freenode/ip.36.72.24.52> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[02:58:49] *** Emrys <Emrys!~emrys@92.87.13.132> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[02:59:48] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[03:00:15] <Owen> raefaldhia: i had already installed dv from haikudepot[03:00:28] *** punsith <punsith!44834d22@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.68.131.77.34> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[03:01:51] <raefaldhia_> then try the make[03:01:59] <raefaldhia_> Owen[03:02:33] <raefaldhia_> And post the result in pastebin / sprunge[03:04:17] <Duggan> are the only things that touch the graphics driver the kernel and accelerant?[03:05:42] *** raefaldhia <raefaldhia!24481834@gateway/web/freenode/ip.36.72.24.52> has joined #haiku[03:05:47] <Owen> raefaldhia: http://pastebin.com/az0M9PsR[03:07:08] <raefaldhia> Try to remove https://github.com/HaikuArchives/DocumentViewer/blob/master/application/BookmarksView.h#L14 to #L16[03:07:10] *** raefaldhia_ <raefaldhia_!24481834@gateway/web/freenode/ip.36.72.24.52> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[03:09:00] <Owen> raefaldhia: id rather not touch the source code to work around a make problem[03:09:20] <raefaldhia> That;s not make problem[03:09:27] <Owen> i just want to build it and fix a bug in dv[03:09:33] <raefaldhia> BookmarksView.h:15:28: fatal error: mupdf/fitz.h: No such file or directory[03:13:52] <raefaldhia> There's no fitz.h, AFAIK fitz.h available in older version, MuPDF updated to newer by this commit https://github.com/HaikuArchives/DocumentViewer/commit/7d1976f1577b93194e5e7433906a8c8127157e19 so that line doesn't required anymore but i'm not sure too.[03:17:15] *** raefaldhia_ <raefaldhia_!24481834@gateway/web/freenode/ip.36.72.24.52> has joined #haiku[03:17:37] <raefaldhia_> Owen, oww sorry fitz.h exist[03:18:15] *** raefaldhia <raefaldhia!24481834@gateway/web/freenode/ip.36.72.24.52> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[03:19:57] <raefaldhia_> Owen, i removed the extern C and keep #include <mupdf/fitz.h> solve the problem[03:21:56] *** raefaldhia <raefaldhia!24481834@gateway/web/freenode/ip.36.72.24.52> has joined #haiku[03:21:56] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[03:24:37] *** jstressman <jstressman!~justin@c-107-4-88-107.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[03:24:40] *** raefaldhia_ <raefaldhia_!24481834@gateway/web/freenode/ip.36.72.24.52> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[03:27:42] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!~dario@181.47.131.175> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[03:28:12] *** jstressman <jstressman!~justin@2601:407:c300:a5ef:599a:eeb:2aa6:1e0d> has joined #haiku[03:30:01] *** _Dario <_Dario!vision@181.47.131.175> has joined #haiku[03:38:35] <Owen> raefaldhia: i tried your suggestion but still got the same error: "BookmarksView.h:14:24: fatal error: mupdf/fitz.h: ..."[03:44:17] <raefaldhia> Owen, i don't really know, does /boot/system/develop/headers/x86/mupdf/ exist? when you have install dv via haikuporter/haikudepot it should exist :/[03:46:18] *** raefaldhia_ <raefaldhia_!24481834@gateway/web/freenode/ip.36.72.24.52> has joined #haiku[03:46:24] <raefaldhia_> Owen, oh yea! i'm forgot something, you need to install mupdf_x86_devel with haikudepot[03:48:58] <Owen> raefaldhia_: i dont have the mupdf folder under x86, and mupdf_x86 is installed from haiku depot[03:49:09] <Owen> i dont see mupdf_x86_devel in haikudepot though[03:49:10] *** raefaldhia <raefaldhia!24481834@gateway/web/freenode/ip.36.72.24.52> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[03:49:48] <raefaldhia_> Owen, in menubar Show->Develop Packages[03:49:51] <raefaldhia_> check that[03:50:21] <raefaldhia_> Owen, ooppss dv doesn't provide devel package, so you should install mupdf_x86_devel libdjvulibre_x86_devel ... more in https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/blob/c7f9af248b2c4c18e075c1ae4e69bf076334de63/haiku-apps/documentviewer/documentviewer-0.3_git.recipe#L32[03:50:41] <raefaldhia_> Don't forget Show->Develop packages[03:51:10] *** dlesage <dlesage!dlesage@nat/redhat/x-msnatmnjtnwvkyxx> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[04:00:02] *** ADS_Sr_ <ADS_Sr_!~ADS_Sr@cpe-173-175-17-54.hot.res.rr.com> has joined #haiku[04:01:09] *** ADS_Sr <ADS_Sr!~ADS_Sr@cpe-173-175-17-54.hot.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[04:01:10] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@pool-71-184-121-51.bstnma.fios.verizon.net> has joined #haiku[04:01:10] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@pool-71-184-121-51.bstnma.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[04:01:16] *** ADS_Sr_ is now known as ADS_Sr[04:05:20] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[04:05:20] *** arfonzo <arfonzo!~arfonzo@2a03:b0c0:1:a1::54f:1001> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[04:05:20] *** jrabbit <jrabbit!~jack@unaffiliated/jrabbit> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[04:06:03] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has joined #haiku[04:06:08] *** jrabbit <jrabbit!~jack@2604:a880:0:1010::861:c001> has joined #haiku[04:06:36] *** arfonzo <arfonzo!~arfonzo@2a03:b0c0:1:a1::54f:1001> has joined #haiku[04:06:41] <Owen> raefaldhia_: i also had to install devel fils for openjp and jbig2dec from haikudepot, and it worked! i still dont know why --get-dependencies worked for you but not me[04:10:14] *** Perelandra <Perelandra!~Perelandr@h69-130-75-184.nansme.broadband.dynamic.tds.net> has joined #haiku[04:11:02] <jessicah`> Owen: --get-dependencies isn't recursive[04:11:11] <jessicah`> so it can sometimes take several attempts to get them all[04:11:41] <jessicah`> if it doesn't eventually work, then you're missing a requires somewhere[04:17:05] <Stephanie> Question - how can I run .yab files? I tried installing the yab hpkg, but HaikuDepot... froze or something (Install button disappeared after clicking)[04:18:42] <jrabbit> is the virtual box guest tools not happy in nightlies?[04:19:00] <jrabbit> I had to switch it from libpng to libpng16 but it crashed[04:19:03] <ohnx> Stephanie: try with pkgman install instead and see what it outputs[04:20:55] <jrabbit> do I jsut report that to the haikuports github issues?[04:21:01] <Stephanie> ohnx: I get a checksum error[04:21:21] <ohnx> aha[04:22:14] <ohnx> hey jessicah` / jessicah does some part of your efi code rely on the gnu-efi recipe being named a certain way?[04:22:26] <jessicah`> ohnx: yes[04:22:30] <jessicah`> but it's easy to change[04:22:33] <ohnx> kk[04:22:48] <ohnx> so changing it to `gnu_efi` is ok right?[04:23:43] <jessicah`> https://github.com/haiku/haiku/blob/master/build/jam/BuildFeatures#L627[04:23:44] <jessicah`> yeah[04:24:01] <jessicah`> you can make a patch to fix that part too if you like[04:24:09] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~John@71-212-100-177.tukw.qwest.net> has joined #haiku[04:24:09] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[04:24:29] <jessicah`> https://github.com/jessicah/haiku-private/wiki[04:24:39] <jessicah`> if you do, see that for how to build haiku_loader.efi[04:27:28] *** DHowett <DHowett!~dustin@velocitylimitless/awesome/ultraviolet/DHowett> has quit IRC (Quit: lalala)[04:27:32] <HAIKU-irker273> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev50821 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=617acada9c43+%5E39f437f77e5c[04:27:33] <HAIKU-irker273> 617acada9c43: BFS: CachedNode initialize members[04:30:11] <jrabbit> nvm[04:30:24] <jrabbit> building the virtualbox is broken but isntalling from depot works :)[04:30:32] <jrabbit> I am just old school apparently[04:31:25] <Qatz> Hmm I wander if the arm port will boot boot on pi3[04:33:21] <ohnx> there's an arm port of haiku?[04:33:43] <ohnx> lol https://github.com/haiku/haiku/blob/master/build/jam/BuildFeatures#L651[04:35:32] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3352 of haiku-master-arm is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-arm/builds/3352[04:36:14] <jessicah`> ohnx: yeah, but it's not very far[04:36:31] <ohnx> cool nonetheless[04:36:54] <jessicah`> people work on it, then have a break for a while, then all the ARM hardware that's popular changes[04:37:01] <jessicah`> and then it needs to be fixed up all over again[04:37:02] <ohnx> ARMv8? :)[04:37:16] <ohnx> or is it an issue with drivers[04:37:19] <jessicah`> I don't particularly like ARM[04:37:29] <jessicah`> there's some issues with drivers too[04:37:36] <ohnx> the less instructions there are, the easier it is to program for it c:[04:39:03] * Duggan yawns.[04:41:24] <jessicah`> hey Duggan[04:41:47] <jessicah`> compiling gcc takes hours ._.[04:41:53] <jessicah`> although I'm not using -j4[04:41:58] <Duggan> hi jessicah`[04:42:12] <Duggan> I'm taking a break... playing Flare[04:42:16] <jessicah`> want output to be useful :p[04:42:21] <jessicah`> Flare?[04:42:29] <Duggan> it's on the depot :P[04:42:33] <Duggan> on/in whatever[04:42:38] <Duggan> it's a free diablo type game[04:42:42] <Skipp_OSX> I'm using -j8 :)[04:43:03] <jessicah`> I want the output to be deterministic atm[04:43:12] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:186a:e60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:43:12] <jessicah`> so I can trace the logs[04:43:24] <ohnx> jessicah`: so to compile efi support packages and whatnot, do i need to run the jam build on haiku?[04:43:42] <jessicah`> no, you can do on linux[04:43:56] <jessicah`> just setup a x86_64 cross toolchain as normal[04:44:06] <jessicah`> then HAIKU_BOOT_PLATFORM=efi jam -q haiku_loader.efi[04:44:08] <ohnx> how is IsPackageAvailable run though?[04:44:16] <jessicah`> just like the instructions say[04:44:30] <jessicah`> hmm, that might be hard to test, yeah...[04:44:44] <jessicah`> ok, leave it for now :)[04:45:14] <jessicah`> probably hard to do without the package being uploaded[04:45:26] <ohnx> i have it locally, is that ok?[04:45:45] <jessicah`> ohnx: otherwise, do a normal full build, e.g. jam -q @nightly-raw[04:45:45] <Skipp_OSX> jessicah`: x86 is a much more stable target[04:45:57] <jessicah`> then drop your built package into the download dir[04:46:07] <ohnx> Skipp_OSX: but efi is not for non-64[04:46:17] <ohnx> $(TARGET_PACKAGING_ARCH) = x86_64[04:46:18] <jessicah`> update jamfile and use HAIKU_NO_DOWNLOADS=1 HAIKU_BOOT_PLATFORM=efi jam -q haiku_loader.efi[04:46:25] <jessicah`> that _may_ work, I'm not entirely sure[04:46:52] <jessicah`> Skipp_OSX: what's your point?[04:46:56] <Skipp_OSX> ohnx: yeah it's for x86_64 but still x86 is more stable even with x86_64[04:46:59] <Duggan> so a friend gave me an all-in-one today.... I hate them, but it's free so... he said it had issues booting, said something like the OS was corrupt.... perfect for Haiku development ;) ... except either the ram is fried or the ram controller is fried :'([04:47:03] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has joined #haiku[04:47:21] <jessicah`> Duggan: aww :([04:47:57] <ohnx> Duggan: I read that as you hating your friend for a sec lol[04:48:08] <Duggan> lol[04:48:11] <Skipp_OSX> jessicah`: I agree with you, x86 more bang for buck than Arm[04:48:26] *** vanisha <vanisha!0e8b9ca7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.139.156.167> has joined #haiku[04:48:27] <ohnx> can't I AddRepositoryPackage gnu_efi? c:[04:48:33] <Duggan> has/had vista on it too, so it's kind of reasonably up to date[04:48:51] <ohnx> oh yeah that's HAIKU_NO_DOWNLOADS=1[04:49:05] <ohnx> i'll update the recipe first and then do the other part[04:51:26] <vanisha> I can't find BeTex in HaikuDepot .. is it there for you ?[04:51:32] <vanisha> Can someone check ?[04:53:02] <ohnx> are you on x86_64?[04:53:12] <ohnx> BeTex is only for x86_gcc2[04:53:26] <vanisha> I am x86[04:53:50] <vanisha> Still can't find it[04:56:11] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3196 of haiku-repository-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/3196[04:56:20] <ohnx> yay![04:57:27] <jessicah`> it may not be built for gcc4hybrid[04:57:59] <jessicah`> an x86_gcc2 package built on gcc2hybrid doesn't work for a gcc4hybrid[04:58:14] <jessicah`> because the way they did the multi-arch stuff was silly :([04:58:41] <jessicah`> vanisha: I take it my scripts worked well?[05:00:58] <vanisha> jessicah`: Yes they did ! Thanks so much :) :) .. I couldn't have completed that task without you :D[05:04:31] <Duggan> I happened to have 1 gig of ram laying around, and it turns out it's the ram that's bad, works now but is super slow... and they password protected their accounts so I can't get into it to resize the partition for Haiku without losing the OS :P[05:04:48] *** wesbl <wesbl!4f3380c4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.51.128.196> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[05:04:51] <jessicah`> why do you need the OS?[05:05:05] <ohnx> go all in![05:05:07] <jessicah`> shouldn't you be running just Haiku? ;-)[05:05:08] <Duggan> hey, it's a free windows license... never know when this thing might go out :P[05:05:11] <ohnx> install haiku on it! :D[05:05:28] <ohnx> Duggan: as long as the computer isn't bitlocker'd, you can log in[05:05:39] <jessicah`> Duggan: it's a shame you missed the free upgrade window[05:05:47] <Duggan> I'm already running Haiku natively on this one, I was going to install it on that one too for a dev box, but wanted to keep windows around *just in case*[05:05:50] <jessicah`> as far as I know, you can't upgrade windows licenses to 10 for free anymore[05:06:06] <Duggan> who wants windows 10 :/[05:06:17] <Duggan> the only OS worse than windows 10 is windows 8.x[05:06:27] <jessicah`> I liked windows 8.1[05:06:35] <jessicah`> I didn't like 8.0[05:06:42] <Duggan> I always knew you were off...[05:06:43] <jessicah`> also, vista is slow :p[05:06:52] <jessicah`> yup ;D[05:06:57] <Duggan> :P[05:06:58] <Duggan> lol[05:07:01] <Duggan> I liked vista[05:07:05] <Duggan> never had any problems with it[05:07:09] <jessicah`> 7 is way better than vista[05:07:30] <Duggan> 7 and vista were both good... never really saw much other than cosmetic differences between them myself[05:07:32] <jessicah`> got my AP mounted on the wall this afternoon :) yay, that's a couple less cables to trip over[05:07:44] <Duggan> lol[05:07:45] <ohnx> i like metro ¯\_(ツ)_/¯[05:07:47] <jessicah`> 7 is quite a bit faster than vista[05:07:56] <ohnx> vista was slower than xp and 7[05:07:57] <Duggan> HOTDOG STAND![05:08:40] <Duggan> I actually tried using hotdog stand once... once...[05:08:51] <jessicah`> what is hotdog stand?[05:08:58] <Duggan> :|[05:08:59] <jessicah`> guh, I hate xp[05:09:00] <Duggan> really?[05:09:02] <jessicah`> really[05:09:14] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~John@71-212-100-177.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[05:09:27] <Duggan> a theme for windows 3.11[05:09:35] <Duggan> https://www.google.com/search?q=windows+hot+dog+stand&biw=1910&bih=921&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiz4e6CkarRAhUo04MKHdKBCDUQ_AUIBigB[05:09:37] <jessicah`> oh[05:09:48] <ohnx> ouch[05:09:49] <jessicah`> holy god[05:09:52] <Duggan> roflmao[05:09:55] <jessicah`> my eyes...[05:10:02] <Duggan> it came with the OS :P[05:10:09] <jessicah`> had to close that window super fast[05:10:16] <Duggan> lol[05:10:30] <ohnx> http://toastytech.com/guis/bobhome1p.png[05:11:32] <Duggan> we had something like that too, I don't remember what it was called though[05:11:53] <Duggan> when we finally got windows 95 anyway[05:11:55] <vanisha> People out here buy windows ?[05:12:04] <vanisha> People out there buy windows ? *[05:12:10] <ohnx> insider preview is free[05:12:26] <jessicah`> yeah, I got a couple licenses[05:12:29] <Duggan> no, you buy a computer and windows comes with it... then you suffer[05:12:37] <jessicah`> I bought two[05:12:48] <jessicah`> well, these were prior to 10[05:12:52] <jessicah`> got them all upgraded to 10[05:12:55] <ohnx> i built my pc and didn't get a license, so i installed insider previews on it ;d[05:12:57] <jessicah`> so I've got like 3 licenses[05:13:07] <ohnx> yay jessicah`, supporting big companies[05:13:07] <jessicah`> but I got them at student prices[05:13:17] <jessicah`> so like nzd$89 each[05:13:33] <jessicah`> ohnx: eh, microsoft is a big contributor to opensource[05:13:37] <Duggan> I'm back on Haiku now, so I probably won't be booting into Windows again any time soon... at least on my personal computers[05:13:48] <jessicah`> and I generally quite like Windows[05:14:09] <jessicah`> my macbook air is running Windows 10 whilst I'm in Haiku on my desktop[05:14:19] <Duggan> jessicah` ask Bill to write a solution for our EFI problems then :P[05:14:26] <ohnx> are you trying to remove dependencies on gnu-efi in haiku efi booting?[05:14:32] <jessicah`> we don't have UEFI problems :p[05:14:38] <ohnx> don't think bill codes much anymore[05:14:43] <jessicah`> ohnx: eh, that doesn't make much sense[05:14:46] <Duggan> why do I have a stick plugged into my computer that I have to use to boot? :P[05:14:51] <ohnx> https://github.com/jessicah/haiku-private/pull/1/commits/eda05b6e2f2179d3a1784c9014e1b61fc9e8e1da[05:14:56] <jessicah`> no, the x86_64 gcc doesn't include a 32-bit libgcc.a[05:14:59] <vanisha> people out here never pay for windows .. no one out here in windows they take laptop with dos and install pirated windows[05:15:09] <jessicah`> so you can't build the BIOS bootloader on a 64-bit haiku install[05:15:16] <ohnx> :o how terrible![05:15:40] <jessicah`> it's a problem with multilib and enable shared[05:15:47] <jessicah`> the 32-bit libgcc needs to disable shared[05:15:50] <Duggan> we really need a x86_64/x86/x86gcc2 hybrid :/[05:16:05] <jessicah`> Duggan: well, the middle part is kinda unnecessary, don't you think?[05:16:21] <jessicah`> I think the problem of making a hybrid is translation of system calls[05:16:40] <jessicah`> and probably memory layout too[05:16:40] <Duggan> jessicah` yes and no... you can still use 32 bit programs even if they won't compile properly on 64 bit... until it's fixed[05:17:10] <jessicah`> or, just fix programs to work on 64-bit? :p[05:17:25] <jessicah`> most programs these days should compile for x86_64[05:17:29] <Duggan> or maybe you run across an old binary of PersonalIssueTracker and want to run it :P[05:17:34] <jessicah`> since a lot of linux installations are 64-bit nowadays[05:17:44] <jessicah`> so people have had to clean up their act :p[05:17:49] <Duggan> do they still produce 32 bit computers?[05:17:55] <ohnx> arm[05:18:06] <Duggan> ... 32 bit x86 computers.[05:18:09] <jessicah`> yes, hmm, I'm not sure about Atom[05:18:18] <jessicah`> they used to still do 32-bit Atom chips[05:18:26] <jessicah`> not sure if they're all 64-bit only now[05:18:47] <ohnx> they probably don't produce it anymore[05:18:54] <ohnx> but you can still buy them[05:19:09] <jessicah`> Duggan: mm, yeah, there are still a few gcc2-only binary software for BeOS that people want to run[05:19:14] <jessicah`> :([05:19:56] <Duggan> yes, but if we switched support fully to 64 bit and hybidized with x86gcc2, we could do without x86 by default[05:20:00] *** dlesage <dlesage!dlesage@nat/redhat/x-rbwecumihxzwlmup> has joined #haiku[05:20:07] <jessicah`> yeah[05:20:28] <HAIKU-irker273> haiku.master: autocommitter * hrev50822 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=083aab66b11e+%5E617acada9c43[05:20:29] <HAIKU-irker273> 083aab66b11e: Update pci.ids from pciids.sourceforge.net[05:20:51] <Duggan> hey jessicah`, want to do this DRM stuff for me? ;)[05:21:52] <ohnx> drm is always bundles of fun[05:22:15] <Duggan> you've worked with the DRM drivers?...[05:22:40] <ohnx> wait as in gpu drivers or copyright management software?[05:22:46] <Duggan> gpu drivers :P[05:22:47] <jessicah`> for you?[05:22:52] <Duggan> yes :D ;)[05:22:59] <Duggan> c'mon, jessicah`, you know you love me ;)[05:23:12] <Duggan> think of all the kudos you'd get :D[05:23:29] <Duggan> ok, with me? :P lol[05:23:44] <jessicah`> I can prolly try help, sure :)[05:24:31] <Duggan> did a rudimentary doxy of the sources to look at the interfaces and whatnot and between intel_extreme and the i915 and intel DRM drivers, they don't even look remotely similar... not even close :P[05:26:04] <Duggan> jessicah` you'll need to get the mesa3d, drm (which is actually only libdrm), and probably xserver sources[05:26:27] <Duggan> the kernel land drm drivers are in gallium under mesa3d[05:26:28] <ohnx> you trying to give haiku accelerated graphics?[05:26:35] <Duggan> no[05:26:46] <Duggan> I'm trying to convert our graphics drivers to DRM[05:27:05] <Duggan> then implement multihead support so jessicah` can owe me and stick with the project until we DO get hw acceleration :P[05:27:36] <Duggan> the ultimate goal is hw accel, yes... but there's so much to do before then that it's not even really a part of the immediate picture[05:28:35] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~John@71-212-100-177.tukw.qwest.net> has joined #haiku[05:28:35] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[05:30:08] <ohnx> wb[05:30:34] *** _Dario <_Dario!vision@181.47.131.175> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[05:31:27] <Skipp_OSX> hi ohnx[05:31:46] <jessicah`> Duggan: what do I need xserver sources for?[05:32:36] <Duggan> jessicah` they're all pretty tightly coupled... it's terrible... I'm not saying you do right now, but I'm pretty sure we will at some point... actually... one second...[05:32:52] <jessicah`> but we'll be stripping it out, right?[05:33:44] <Duggan> oh yeah[05:34:04] <jessicah`> good :)[05:34:05] <Duggan> maybe sending some changes upstream so they can keep updating it after we're done, but yeah... only taking the bare minimum of what we'd need[05:34:42] <Duggan> I thought I remembered seeing some DRI sources in it, but I'm not seeing them now... there's a directory called DRI3 but it's nothing important I think[05:35:35] <Duggan> what's wrong with gcc5 again?[05:35:53] <ohnx> nothing[05:37:50] <jessicah`> me?[05:37:59] <Duggan> yep[05:38:09] <jessicah`> 32-bit libgcc.a is missing[05:38:14] <jessicah`> for the x86_64 package[05:38:34] <ohnx> uefi supports 64 bit though[05:38:40] <jessicah`> but can't just leave multilib enabled, as with --enable-shared, it wants to link the shared libgcc stuff[05:38:51] <jessicah`> this isn't for uefi[05:39:02] <jessicah`> this is for building a haiku image[05:39:05] <ohnx> sorry i stopped braining[05:39:06] <ohnx> ignore me[05:39:22] <jessicah`> I do need to fix binutils for uefi support though[05:39:31] <Duggan> can we kickban you instead? :D[05:39:39] <jessicah`> as that seems to be missing BFD target for uefi[05:39:58] <Duggan> anything I can do to help?[05:45:07] <Duggan> is that a "no"? :P[05:45:36] <Skipp_OSX> sounds like we need someone to work on the compiler to add --multilib support[05:45:44] <Skipp_OSX> in x86_64 branch[05:45:55] <ohnx> *nudges Skipp_OSX *[05:46:01] <ohnx> you seem to know what needs to happen[05:47:14] <jessicah`> Skipp_OSX: no, we don't[05:47:38] <jessicah`> it's just a limitation in gcc's build system[05:47:51] <jessicah`> Duggan: uh, just building binutils now[05:47:57] <jessicah`> it should be a straight-forward fix there[05:48:33] <Skipp_OSX> coding fairies will do it[05:50:41] <Duggan> Skipp_OSX, you ARE a coding fairy...[05:50:51] <Skipp_OSX> I'm not that kind of fairy[05:51:05] <Duggan> oh...[05:51:05] <Skipp_OSX> I don't work on compilers[05:51:08] <Duggan> nevermind then...[05:51:10] <Duggan> OH[05:51:12] <Skipp_OSX> haha[05:51:22] <Duggan> well you're still a coding fairy...[05:51:41] <Duggan> I love compilers, I just don't work on other people's compilers :P[05:52:53] <jessicah`> coding fairy?[05:53:13] <Duggan> jessicah` they come when you sleep and fix code :P[05:53:52] <Skipp_OSX> jessicah`: a developer who comes along and fixes some piece of missing Haiku support, like xyzzy adding x86_64 support[05:57:22] <jessicah`> ah[05:57:42] <Duggan> well until somebody gives me something to work on to help get x86_64 self-hosting, there's not much I can do but keep researching the x stack[05:58:35] <Duggan> I certainly can't work on porting anything since I can't even compile :P[06:00:16] <jessicah`> I'm working on it...[06:00:36] <jessicah`> it just takes a very, very long time before it fails and I tweak the recipe again...[06:00:37] <jessicah`> :([06:01:01] <Duggan> slacker[06:01:09] <johnny_b> morning[06:01:18] <Duggan> heeeeey johnny_b[06:01:21] <Duggan> we were just talking about you[06:01:34] <johnny_b> orly? 8)[06:01:54] <Duggan> no, but I thought about asking where you've been since I'm more or less back and trying to get back on the graphics stack[06:02:17] <johnny_b> 8)[06:02:24] *** raefaldhia_ <raefaldhia_!24481834@gateway/web/freenode/ip.36.72.24.52> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[06:02:44] <johnny_b> it's good to see you back[06:03:03] <johnny_b> and i'm still not in love with jam 8p[06:03:16] <Duggan> it's good to be back... it would be better if I could compile *ahem*[06:03:39] <Duggan> lol[06:03:52] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-102-27-241.ks.ok.cox.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Eating pizza)[06:04:02] <jessicah`> stop complaining![06:04:06] <jessicah`> >_<[06:04:08] <johnny_b> stop whining and hack![06:04:10] <johnny_b> 8p[06:04:19] <jessicah`> you already know I'm working on it[06:04:21] <johnny_b> jessicah`: thank you 8)[06:04:28] * jessicah` sighs[06:05:49] <Duggan> luv u :D[06:06:24] <Duggan> lol[06:07:20] * Duggan plays more Flare.[06:07:34] <vanisha> Becapturescreen and Screenshot is the same application if I am not wrong ?[06:09:25] <vanisha> opps it's not[06:09:27] <jessicah`> BeScreenCapture does video recording[06:09:38] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~John@71-212-100-177.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[06:12:02] <vanisha> yes :)[06:14:23] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~John@71-212-100-177.tukw.qwest.net> has joined #haiku[06:14:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[06:16:50] *** XeonSquared <XeonSquared!~ShadowKat@210.1.213.55> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[06:17:52] <johnny_b> Duggan: better help jessicah` to fix gcc 8p[06:23:15] *** XeonSquared <XeonSquared!~ShadowKat@210.1.213.55> has joined #haiku[06:27:06] *** Owen <Owen!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[06:27:46] <Duggan> johnny_b I'd be happy to, but I think she's got this for now :)[06:29:44] <johnny_b> excuses, always excuses 8p[06:30:20] <Duggan> nah, there's really nothing I can do[06:32:41] <johnny_b> just playing Flare, right? 8p[06:32:44] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-9-99.nationalcablenetworks.ru> has joined #haiku[06:34:25] <Duggan> no, researching the X stack right now[06:37:44] *** vanisha <vanisha!0e8b9ca7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.139.156.167> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[06:44:18] <Duggan> jessicah` apparently, there's a repo just for DRI as well... :/ I'm still fuzzy on how DRI/mesa/gallium/etc all fit together... none of these documents really describe their relationships well[06:45:00] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, I have an idea, it is pretty simple really, just need a couple thousand dollars to do it[06:45:57] <Duggan> jessicah` nope, sorry... some sort of documentation repo...[06:46:05] <Duggan> Skipp_OSX, what? hire someone else to do it? :P[06:46:13] <Duggan> or hire the OEMS to produce drivers? lol[06:46:23] <Skipp_OSX> Figure out a decent computer that is inexpensive, buy a bunch of them, send to Haiku devs, reference hardware established, Profit[06:47:04] <Duggan> they're called "tablets" and... no.[06:47:05] <Duggan> lol[06:47:41] <Skipp_OSX> tablets? no I don't think so it would have to be a laptop[06:47:50] <Duggan> or netbooks if those are still a thing[06:48:35] <Skipp_OSX> chrome books are a thing[06:49:02] <Skipp_OSX> I'm not sure what it would take to hack into those and I can only imagine the hardware that is in them[06:49:24] <Skipp_OSX> probably not the easiest computer to develop drivers for... but cheap[06:50:05] <jessicah`> laptops? bah[06:50:13] <jessicah`> I don't particularly like laptops[06:50:25] <jessicah`> if I'm going to do development, needs to be on a desktop[06:50:31] <Duggan> I don't either, but right now it's what I've got...... or an all in one.... which is worse...[06:51:08] <jessicah`> heh[06:51:35] <jessicah`> I have my airbook on my left, then my mini-itx desktop with 2x24" Dell 1920x1200 monitors[06:51:44] <jessicah`> desktop is perfect dev workstation[06:51:51] <jessicah`> but my second monitor no go with Haiku[06:51:56] <Duggan> imagine that marketing and design meeting... "hey guys! I've got a great idea! let's make a laptop that you can't put in your lap! *massive applause from boardmembers*"[06:51:57] * jessicah` looks at Duggan with sad eyes[06:51:58] <jessicah`> T_T[06:52:17] <Duggan> jessicah` I'll work on it once I can build stuff :P[06:52:24] <Duggan> *AHEM*[06:52:26] <jessicah`> in brighter news, I've got binutils updated so can at least build haiku_loader.efi now[06:52:36] <Duggan> yay![06:53:56] <Skipp_OSX> \o/[06:54:44] <Skipp_OSX> well let's do math on my idea[06:55:20] <Skipp_OSX> low end chromebook $125, let's say just for example[06:56:16] <Skipp_OSX> 15 laptops * 125 = $1875 not too expensive really[06:56:21] <FlyingJester> I'm not sure I've ever really used a laptop literally lying in my lap.[06:56:37] <FlyingJester> That sounds like it would overheat every laptop I've ever owned.[06:56:43] <Skipp_OSX> shipping, tax, $2600 maybe[06:57:56] <Duggan> FlyingJester I have an old HP that I used to keep on my lap for hours a day when I was developing for Haiku before, and it was known to have overheating issues... it literally cooked a spot on top of my leg which stayed discoloured for at least a year after I stopped using it[06:58:10] <Duggan> Skipp_OSX, good idea, let me know how it goes :D[06:58:47] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, yeah it is expensive but good idea :)[06:59:31] <jessicah`> eh, you still require users to buy your targeted hardware[06:59:39] <jessicah`> not exactly the best pitch to users[07:00:06] <Skipp_OSX> jessicah`: Buy this laptop Haiku works on it great is not a bad pitch[07:00:06] <jessicah`> anyway, kallisti5 is/was working on that minnowboard hardware[07:00:17] <Duggan> jessicah` I was being sarcastic about the "good" part, but if he wants to spend his money that way, go for it :P might not have the expected outcome though hehe[07:00:24] <Skipp_OSX> how much is a minnowboard?[07:00:32] <Skipp_OSX> (I guess I can look that up)[07:01:20] <jessicah`> Duggan: I believe kallisti5 was working with somebody to build a miniature BeBox based on the minnowboard[07:01:35] <Duggan> cool[07:01:43] *** rennj <rennj!~rennj@host-69-146-167-35.static.bresnan.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[07:02:05] <jessicah`> now that uefi is generally working, that project may resume[07:02:37] <bbjimmy> uefi is generally working?[07:02:58] <Duggan> bbjimmy yep, I'm running native right now[07:03:03] <Duggan> generally...[07:03:13] <Duggan> still have to use a stick to boot[07:03:32] <ohnx> why?[07:03:36] <bbjimmy> not generally then.[07:04:13] <bbjimmy> mor elike soprt -of working.[07:04:26] <bbjimmy> *sort-of[07:04:33] <Duggan> no, it's working like a champ :P (once I boot...)[07:04:34] <Duggan> lol[07:04:57] <Duggan> I'm still wondering if just copying it to the EFI partition on the HD will cause the BIOS to bring up the EFI file picker screen to boot[07:05:10] <bbjimmy> needs to boot off of the hard disk[07:05:12] <Duggan> I'm not gonna try it though :P[07:05:24] <jessicah`> if you have an EFI system partition, you can make haiku_loader the default[07:05:25] <Duggan> bbjimmy it is booting off the harddrive[07:05:36] <Duggan> it just needs the EFI file to get there[07:05:39] <ohnx> jessicah`: how do you run haiku efi off your air? right off the hard disk, right?[07:05:44] <jessicah`> in EFI/BOOT move bootx64.efi out of the way, and copy and rename haiku_loader.efi to BOOTX64.efi[07:06:04] <jessicah`> ohnx: currently SD card[07:06:09] <ohnx> oh[07:06:10] <Duggan> jessicah` yeah but how do you confuse the BIOS into making you pick one manually?[07:06:11] <jessicah`> I use refind[07:06:28] <jessicah`> Duggan: oh, press the key for boot menu?[07:06:41] <jessicah`> F10 on my Intel board lets me pick between install UEFI loaders[07:06:47] <jessicah`> but you need to install it as a boot option first[07:07:12] <jessicah`> boot off a live USB stick and use efibootmgr to do that :p[07:07:28] <ohnx> once you install refind, it's not too hard to make it scan a directory for efi things[07:07:31] <jessicah`> we don't have any userspace support for UEFI atm, so you can't set up boot options from within Haiku[07:07:41] <jessicah`> yeah, refind is pretty good[07:07:49] <jessicah`> you should be able to install that from within windows[07:08:55] <Duggan> hrm[07:09:07] <bbjimmy> Once haiku's installer "just works"[07:09:09] <Duggan> so does that mean it IS possible to boot from the HD?[07:09:15] <jessicah`> yes[07:09:34] <jessicah`> bbjimmy: yes, there's some fine tuning to make it easier to boot from[07:09:40] <jessicah`> tqh is working on some of that[07:09:49] <bbjimmy> with eufi it will be geberally working.[07:10:09] <jessicah`> it's generally working, just not generally usable ;)[07:10:11] <bbjimmy> *generally[07:10:12] <Duggan> hmmmm you know... if they can make a program do that, not only can we make our own that does the same thing, we could probably make a bootloader too... and make it generic so it can boot any OS even if the EFI files are on their respective partitions...[07:10:22] <Skipp_OSX> jessicah`: minnow board is $150 just for computer, and it would need a really cool case and power supply so at least $250 a pop * 15 plus shipping ~$4k[07:11:00] <jessicah`> the cool case is the TABBx project or whatever it is[07:11:18] <jessicah`> https://hackaday.io/project/7943-tabbx-20th-anniversary-bebox[07:12:06] <jessicah`> gah[07:12:10] <jessicah`> google, what the heckle[07:12:44] <Duggan> yeah, that's definitely going to be my desktop...[07:13:38] <Duggan> except the Set Background button on the Screens window isn't working[07:15:23] <Skipp_OSX> that is an admittedly cool case... how much does it cost to build?[07:15:42] <ohnx> is it a 3d print?[07:15:56] <Skipp_OSX> It looks like so[07:16:00] <bbjimmy> jessicah` :)[07:16:08] <bbjimmy> I like[07:16:25] <ohnx> also web+ does not like redirects[07:16:35] <ohnx> it kinda just dies[07:17:01] <PulkoMandy> it handles redirects, but it creates the new request without waiting for the previous to end[07:17:10] <PulkoMandy> so the result of the two requests end up mixed in the same page[07:17:14] <Duggan> hej PulkoMandy[07:17:27] <PulkoMandy> if you want to fix my messy code in webkit that would be great[07:17:32] <PulkoMandy> (hi!)[07:17:34] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, can you open Backgrounds app regular?[07:17:35] <Duggan> patches welcome[07:17:39] <ohnx> lol does web+ ping you?[07:17:45] <Duggan> Skipp_OSX I right clicked and got it[07:17:45] <ohnx> i feel like it does[07:17:50] <Skipp_OSX> ok[07:17:51] <Duggan> but the button's broke in Screns[07:17:53] <Duggan> Screens[07:18:08] <jessicah`> works here[07:18:17] <Duggan> not here[07:18:20] <Duggan> :P[07:18:35] <Duggan> Screen* sorry, not plural[07:18:43] <Duggan> NOW it works...[07:18:51] <jessicah`> :p[07:18:57] <Duggan> :/ damned Heisenbugs...[07:19:09] <jessicah`> Duggan: I wonder if it's related to your problems with launching apps by mimetype[07:19:14] <jessicah`> you still have that problem?[07:19:15] <ohnx> PulkoMandy: where is the WebKit code?[07:19:15] *** raefaldhia <raefaldhia!24481834@gateway/web/freenode/ip.36.72.24.52> has joined #haiku[07:19:28] <jessicah`> github.com/haiku/webkit[07:19:41] <Duggan> probably because it's a 64 bit build so it didn't have the Haiku logo , but apparently it expected it there because the image location was already set... maybe it didn't come up before because it couldn't find the file[07:19:54] <Duggan> jessicah` very true[07:20:40] <jessicah`> hmm, now, where do I have a copy of my ssh key...[07:20:51] <jessicah`> maybe have to boot into windows[07:21:39] <PulkoMandy> ohnx: github.com/haiku/webkit[07:21:50] <ohnx> you do your development in xcode?[07:22:03] <PulkoMandy> no, using the CMakeFiles (see the readme)[07:22:14] <PulkoMandy> (the build files for other platforms are there too)[07:22:23] <ohnx> nvm sorry i saw the xcodeworkspace dir[07:22:43] <ohnx> but it was from webkit and not haikuwebkit :p[07:23:53] <PulkoMandy> https://github.com/haiku/webkit/blob/rebased/Source/WebCore/platform/network/haiku/BUrlProtocolHandler.cpp#L557[07:24:05] <PulkoMandy> this is where the new request for a redirect is created[07:24:37] <PulkoMandy> it does not stop the previous request, and I think most of the code does not check if the callbacks are called from the new or old request anywhere[07:24:48] <PulkoMandy> so they will mix their replies, which isn't the right thing to do[07:25:30] <PulkoMandy> checking the caller parameter in DataReceived just below may be enough to fix things?[07:25:53] <PulkoMandy> (and removing the m_redirected, I think that one won't work as expected)[07:29:09] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, when I build with HAIKU_INCLUDE_TRADEMARKS on it doesn't load the Haiku background until the second reboot *shrug*[07:29:27] <Skipp_OSX> second boot I mean[07:29:41] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:30:48] <Duggan> Skipp_OSX I forgot how to set that, pretty sure it's in a jamfile somewhere[07:31:25] <PulkoMandy> build/jam/UserBuildConfig?[07:31:33] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, Add this to your build/jam/UserBuildConfig[07:31:33] <Skipp_OSX> HAIKU_INCLUDE_TRADEMARKS = "" ;[07:31:34] <Duggan> lol thanks PulkoMandy[07:32:05] <Skipp_OSX> I find it strange that "" turns the feature on, but maybe that's just me[07:34:14] <Duggan> there, so now when I can actually build, I'll have logos by default :)[07:35:05] <Duggan> Skipp_OSX it's probably like a #define... it doesn't matter what the value is, it exists.... but I may be wrong[07:35:42] <Duggan> speaking of which, jessicah` how goes the build?[07:36:19] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, could be[07:36:43] <jessicah`> it just needs -DHAIKU_INCLUDE_TRADEMARKS[07:36:47] <jessicah`> it doesn't need a value[07:36:57] <jessicah`> so like #ifdef HAIKU_INCLUDE_TRADEMARKS[07:37:23] <jessicah`> Duggan: slowly getting there...[07:40:29] <Skipp_OSX> okay[07:42:41] <Skipp_OSX> goodnight[07:42:43] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~John@71-212-100-177.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[07:57:57] * Duggan yawns.[07:59:05] <jessicah`> okay, submitted a PR for binutils[07:59:36] <jessicah`> I do have commit access, but would rather it get reviewed first :)[07:59:45] <Duggan> :)[07:59:52] <Duggan> moving forward, that's good[08:00:37] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[08:01:28] <Duggan> I can't stand just staring at these nonsensical docs anymore...[08:05:44] <jessicah`> haha[08:05:50] <jessicah`> it takes like an hour to build gcc...[08:05:53] <jessicah`> >_>[08:05:58] <Duggan> it's been longer than that :/[08:06:01] <jessicah`> maybe closer to 1.5[08:06:10] <jessicah`> well, I've built it multiple times already[08:06:48] <Duggan> are you fixing multiple things or are you iteratively trying to fix one thing?[08:08:37] <jessicah`> iteratively trying to fix one thing in gcc[08:08:48] <Duggan> :'([08:09:06] <jessicah`> but because configure doesn't generate all the makefiles, you have to make everything[08:09:21] <jessicah`> since it's a multi-stage build[08:09:26] <jessicah`> joys of building compilers[08:12:00] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@95-31-125-175.broadband.corbina.ru> has joined #haiku[08:12:28] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@95-31-125-175.broadband.corbina.ru> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[08:12:44] <Duggan> did I ever mention I wrote a program in machine language once?[08:12:51] <Duggan> x86 machine language no doubt[08:13:36] *** munchausen <munchausen!~er209@myrtle.kent.ac.uk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[08:13:59] <Duggan> just to see if I could :)[08:14:29] <jessicah`> :)[08:14:38] <jessicah`> I wrote a "kernel" in ocaml once[08:14:50] <jessicah`> with networking, audio, etc.[08:14:58] <Duggan> I've never messed with ocaml[08:15:02] <jessicah`> could IRC with it, or stream audio over http[08:15:13] *** munchausen <munchausen!~er209@myrtle.kent.ac.uk> has joined #haiku[08:15:23] <Duggan> nice[08:15:26] <jessicah`> was fun little project[08:17:45] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85b47e.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[08:17:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[08:18:41] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has joined #haiku[08:18:53] <Duggan> I wrote a program in assembly using bios functions to display a message on the screen, then manually assembled it into machine language with the ia32 manuals, put all the hex values that would write them out to a file as a bootable floppy then booted it in qemu[08:19:30] <jessicah`> :)[08:19:30] <Duggan> put all the hex values in a c program that would write...[08:19:52] <Duggan> worked first time like a charm :D[08:19:55] <jessicah`> :D[08:20:26] <Duggan> my next project was to write a hex memory editor in machine language and then go from there[08:20:41] <FreeFull> Duggan: Maybe you should write an assembler, so you don't have to do it manually ;)[08:20:46] <Duggan> got kinda far but didn't finish unfortunately[08:20:56] <Duggan> FreeFull you're kind of missing the point[08:21:11] <Duggan> if I wanted an assembler, I'd have used one that already existed[08:21:45] <Duggan> I had this idea of starting from absolutely nothing and eventually building up a small OS, just as an experiment.... using absolutely no borrowed code[08:24:46] <FreeFull> Bootstrapping your way up[08:26:13] <Duggan> pretty much[08:30:15] <Duggan> maybe I should start on that project again since I don't have a whole lot else to do right now :P[08:31:15] <jessicah`> if gcc doesn't work this time around, I might work on downgrading gawk to 4.1.0[08:31:24] <jessicah`> so we at least have a working gawk in package repos[08:31:56] *** raefaldhia <raefaldhia!24481834@gateway/web/freenode/ip.36.72.24.52> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[08:32:01] <jessicah`> it's kind of a pain trying to work on multiple branches with haikuports[08:37:14] <Duggan> is that what this is all about? the broken gawk?[08:37:32] <jessicah`> no[08:37:35] <Duggan> oh ok[08:37:36] <jessicah`> that's separate[08:37:58] <jessicah`> this one is about being able to build using the native gcc instead of a cross compiler[08:38:11] <Duggan> ah[08:38:36] <Duggan> I'm more concerned with just being able to build... I haven't the slightest idea what the errors mean at the end of my build...[08:39:22] <jessicah`> yeah neither[08:39:27] <jessicah`> I haven't gotten that far here :p[08:39:39] <Duggan> ? you haven't even tried to build yet?...[08:39:43] <jessicah`> I have[08:39:47] <jessicah`> but trying to fix other problems[08:39:57] <jessicah`> I'll deal to gawk next[08:40:21] <jessicah`> and use a cross-compiler in the meantime[08:45:55] <Duggan> whatever works :)[08:46:07] <jessicah`> :)[08:56:31] *** King_Warg1 <King_Warg1!~Wildman@50.110.120.208> has joined #haiku[08:57:07] *** King_Warg <King_Warg!~Wildman@50.110.97.182> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[08:58:03] *** postmen <postmen!~tonio@p5B150CFA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[09:01:02] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[09:01:26] <Duggan> and apparently we don't have a pdf viewer...[09:03:32] <humdinger> I have.[09:03:39] * humdinger throws bepdf at Duggan[09:03:45] <jessicah`> DocumentViewer[09:03:57] <humdinger> doesn't work for me[09:04:05] <humdinger> crashed on ever doc...[09:04:20] <humdinger> plus I always shudder when I see the GUI[09:04:37] <jessicah`> humdinger: he's running x86_64[09:04:43] <jessicah`> there's no BePDF available in depot[09:04:47] <humdinger> ah.[09:04:57] <humdinger> off to haikuporter you go[09:05:39] <jessicah`> I'm currently trying to update some ports so building on x86_64 without a cross-compiler work fine[09:05:43] <jessicah`> it's very, very slow going[09:08:20] <jessicah`> gosh, it's 9pm already?[09:08:26] <jessicah`> doesn't feel like it should be that late[09:09:54] <humdinger> beam yourself over here to exchange your pm with our fresh am.[09:10:58] <jessicah`> :D[09:13:47] *** knarf <knarf!~knarf@143.252.82.79.rev.sfr.net> has joined #haiku[09:13:51] *** knarf <knarf!~knarf@143.252.82.79.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[09:14:52] <Duggan> lol humdinger it's 2:14am here[09:15:26] <humdinger> If only the world was flat, we wouldn't be in this mess[09:15:46] <Duggan> the world isn't flat 8O[09:15:59] <Duggan> !?[09:16:20] <humdinger> shocking, innit[09:16:33] <FlyingJester> If the world was an inverse hyperbolic disc it could still be an issue, without the world being a sphere.[09:18:10] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@ip-109-45-2-235.web.vodafone.de> has joined #haiku[09:18:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[09:20:21] *** rdad <rdad!~rdad@c-98-206-31-153.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[09:20:50] <Duggan> hej stippi[09:21:18] <rdad> Yo Duggan![09:21:31] <Duggan> hej rdad :)[09:21:55] <rdad> was it you doing some graphics server code many moons ago?[09:22:06] <Duggan> yep, and I'm hoping to get back on it now[09:22:19] <Duggan> but it's going to take a while, jessicah`'s being slow :P[09:22:45] <rdad> man, I was planning on giving you a hand but if I remember correctly we both started jobs around the same time[09:22:52] <Duggan> and by jessicah`, I mean building gcc and stuff... I'm on a machine with efi so I have to run x86_64 and it's.... lacking...[09:23:15] <Duggan> yep, well I'm freed up for now anyway[09:23:30] <rdad> good, good[09:23:46] <Duggan> got right back into looking up crap for the X graphics stack.... and it still sucks[09:23:55] <rdad> :)[09:24:33] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-089-166-146-133.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has joined #haiku[09:24:33] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[09:25:02] <Duggan> I'd have come back much sooner but I couldn't boot on this machine, that's also why I'm stuck with x86_64[09:25:33] <jessicah`> well, gcc almost built...[09:25:40] <jessicah`> some weird stuff still going on :p[09:25:47] <jessicah`> so I'll fix gawk now :)[09:27:26] <Duggan> ok :P[09:27:38] <Duggan> still getting those _ReadBuffer errors when I build :/[09:27:47] <Duggan> I mean, not that I wouldn't, I haven't changed anything...[09:28:44] <jessicah`> :p[09:32:08] <Duggan> downloaded the ia32 manuals... just can't view them...[09:32:25] <jessicah`> does DocumentViewer not work?[09:33:31] <Duggan> nope, crashes[09:33:36] <rdad> Duggan: what OS are you deving on?[09:33:49] <Duggan> Haiku x86_64[09:34:16] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #haiku[09:34:55] <rdad> Did Haiku ever boot in VMware?[09:35:03] <humdinger> Duggan: you could build bepdf with haikuporter[09:35:24] <Duggan> rdad don't know, haven't used VMware[09:35:41] <Duggan> humdinger I don't know the first thing about haikuporter... all I know is it's some program... I think... that's used to port stuff[09:36:13] <humdinger> spot on![09:36:53] <humdinger> Duggan: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/wiki just do the "Setting up" and off you go.[09:37:16] <humdinger> seeing that many packages aren't yet available on 64bit, you may need it more often[09:37:44] <Duggan> thanks humdinger... I just hope I can figure it out :P[09:37:58] <rdad> What kind of work are we thinking about doing to the graphics stack again?[09:38:00] <humdinger> we're here to help you.[09:38:28] <rdad> it's been a while since I've roamed these parts[09:38:40] <humdinger> Duggan: also, if 13 year old high schoolers can grasp it, a 40 year drop-out should have no problems. :D[09:38:41] <Duggan> rdad, the way I see it this time around, DRM needs to be ported first and should replace our drivers (in the kernel)[09:39:00] <Duggan> ha ha humdinger..... I'm 35...[09:39:12] <humdinger> kids...[09:39:21] * rdad googling DRM[09:39:41] <rdad> can't be that DRM[09:39:46] <Duggan> rdad then, to appease jessicah`, I think we can do multihead support effectively (DRM first to prevent having to redo stuff later)[09:39:52] <FlyingJester> Like Gallium's DRM, right?[09:40:06] <FlyingJester> (Or is that not Gallium related? :S)[09:40:21] <rdad> ok, that DRM[09:40:27] <Duggan> rdad no, it's Direct Rendering Manager[09:40:38] <rdad> right, I was lost but then I was found again[09:40:39] <Duggan> FlyingJester yes[09:40:48] <Duggan> you were blind, but now you see?[09:40:57] <rdad> precisely[09:41:16] <Duggan> hehe[09:41:38] <Duggan> after that we can start worrying about trivial things like DRI/mesa and hw accel and the like[09:42:08] <rdad> these days one of the first things I do before touching any module is to do a "wc -l" on the corresponding dirs[09:42:56] <jessicah`> Duggan: okay, I'm at the broken part of native building of Haiku[09:42:59] <jessicah`> no 32-bit libgcc.a[09:43:07] <jessicah`> so gawk 4.1.0 seems to be all good[09:43:21] <jessicah`> I'll publish new package, etc.[09:45:15] <rdad> is there any clang support?[09:45:58] <jessicah`> I don't think it quite works, not entirely sure[09:46:59] <Duggan> jessicah` wooo![09:47:23] <Duggan> you mean downgrading the build?[09:48:21] <jessicah`> yeah, I'll downgrade gawk in package repos[09:50:31] <Duggan> thanks[09:50:37] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has joined #haiku[09:54:24] <johnny_b> Duggan: so you're already hopeless 8p[09:54:41] <johnny_b> Duggan: ignore it 8)[09:54:55] <Duggan> johnny_b yep :P[09:54:57] <rdad> Time for sleep. I'll see you all tomorrow[09:55:01] <Duggan> take care rdad[09:55:06] *** rdad <rdad!~rdad@c-98-206-31-153.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has left #haiku ("Leaving")[09:55:32] <johnny_b> Duggan: i didn't notice that i'm reading the history 8p[09:55:42] <Duggan> lol[09:59:57] <Duggan> still looking over how to use this thing, humdinger[10:00:16] <humdinger> did you clone haikuporter and haikuports?[10:01:17] <Duggan> yep[10:01:42] <humdinger> create a link to haikuporter like: ln -s /boot/home/haikuporter/haikuporter /boot/home/config/non-packaged/bin/[10:02:15] <humdinger> then "haikuporter -S -j8 --get-dependencies --no-source-packages bepdf" should build it[10:02:23] <humdinger> stop[10:02:28] <humdinger> need to set the path...[10:02:44] <humdinger> in ~/config/settings/haikuports.conf[10:02:56] <humdinger> point the TREE to your cloned haikuports[10:03:35] <humdinger> after you copied the sample conf there... of course. :)[10:04:31] <Duggan> alright[10:04:40] <jessicah`> I need some games to play...[10:04:56] <Duggan> me too, I think I'm running out of game in Flare[10:05:16] <Duggan> it's crunching, humdinger[10:05:31] <humdinger> very good![10:05:48] <Duggan> humdinger if it's so "easy", why hasn't this been automated and everything been ported to everything else?[10:06:33] <Duggan> or at least have a repo and bug list (automatically generated) for people to fix broken builds?[10:07:24] <jessicah`> automating is a work in progress[10:07:39] <Duggan> a shell script won't do it?[10:07:47] <humdinger> not sure I follow... but there are efforts to get buildbots going that keep building all recipes[10:07:48] <Duggan> at least for an initial run[10:07:59] <Duggan> yeah, like that[10:08:14] <Duggan> humdinger ok it says it's done...[10:08:33] <humdinger> ALT+click in Terminal to install.[10:12:13] <Duggan> humdinger ok, so it apparently "works"... kind of unstable... but I'm viewing PDFs now...[10:12:18] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@p2003005B441FBD00022314FFFEAF6410.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[10:12:22] <Duggan> why isn't this in the depot again? :P[10:12:50] <humdinger> nobody made the effort to add and upload it manually.[10:12:51] <johnny_b> to drive you crazy, especially the autocomplete ...[10:13:31] <Duggan> ah[10:13:32] <johnny_b> f.ck, i forgot to load the read kernel module this morning 8|[10:14:37] <Duggan> humdinger where's the package list?[10:15:18] <humdinger> you mean what's in HaikuDepot?[10:15:18] <Duggan> I need to port Abuse :P[10:15:25] <Duggan> I guess?[10:15:33] <humdinger> or for what there are recipes?[10:15:58] <Duggan> where is the list of software that haikuporter can be run against :P[10:16:20] <humdinger> don't think there is a list per se...[10:16:37] <Duggan> when you put something in the command line, where does it go to get info on what it is you're trying to do?[10:17:02] <Duggan> like the command you gave me had "bepdf" in it... what does it do with that information to know what packages to get?[10:17:09] <humdinger> It looks thru the haikuports tree[10:17:31] <Duggan> ah ok[10:17:38] *** postmen <postmen!~tonio@p5B150CFA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[10:18:27] <humdinger> https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/wiki/HaikuPorter-Usage[10:18:45] <humdinger> put some finctions in your profile, and you can too. easily[10:18:49] <humdinger> *functions[10:18:54] <Duggan> on the haikuporter wiki, page: HaikuPorter-PortsTree there is a link to https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports which is reported as a dead link[10:19:12] <humdinger> works here...[10:19:34] <Duggan> it's a link to bitbucket[10:19:53] <Duggan> https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports[10:19:54] <humdinger> was moved from there a long while ago[10:20:16] <Duggan> well you got the updated version, I got the cached version apparently.... if it works for you and it doesn't for me :P[10:20:33] <humdinger> where on the page is the link?[10:20:41] <Duggan> The Standard Ports Tree[10:21:12] <humdinger> on https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/wiki ?[10:21:28] <Duggan> https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/wiki/HaikuPorter-PortsTree[10:22:10] <humdinger> nicely done. showing a different url that it points too...[10:22:14] <Duggan> lol[10:23:22] <humdinger> same with the one at the bottom.[10:23:29] <humdinger> fixed.[10:23:31] <humdinger> thanks![10:23:54] <Duggan> hehe no problem[10:24:08] <Not-8398> [haikuports/haikuports] jessicah pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/40a3354fb80e...9b5474e7af19[10:24:10] <Not-8398> [haikuports/haikuports] jessicah 9b5474e - gawk: downgrade to 4.1.0.[10:24:59] <Duggan> w00t![10:25:49] <jessicah`> just need to push to repo next[10:26:09] <Duggan> one of my favourite games of all time is about to get tested :D[10:26:09] *** postmen <postmen!~tonio@p5B150CFA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[10:26:18] <Duggan> aaaaaand fail.[10:27:01] <jessicah`> :p[10:27:18] <Duggan> "no such file or directory <blahblahblah>/haikuports/repository/<gamename>.DependencyInfo"[10:28:21] <Duggan> humdinger?[10:33:42] <humdinger> Duggan: try the same haikuporter line with "-c"[10:34:08] <humdinger> what do you try to build?[10:35:42] <HAIKU-irker273> haiku.master: jessicah * hrev50823 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=e6efd8f21c3d+%5E083aab66b11e[10:35:43] <HAIKU-irker273> e6efd8f21c3d: gawk: downgrade to 4.1.0 to fix build issues on x86_64 Haiku hosts.[10:36:20] <jessicah`> Duggan: there you go :)[10:36:36] <jessicah`> when 50823 is available, you can upgrade and should be able to build haiku with cross-compiler[10:37:50] <Duggan> back, sorry[10:38:08] <Duggan> yay jessicah`! :D[10:38:22] <jessicah`> or just pull in changes to your repo :p[10:38:34] <jessicah`> I don't think you need to wait[10:38:35] <Duggan> jessicah` we'll have to see if I still get those errors... I don't trust trying to boot it with those[10:38:57] <Duggan> humdinger what does -c do?[10:39:03] <jessicah`> the readerror things?[10:39:48] <Duggan> oh clean[10:39:53] <humdinger> Duggan: clears data from previous builds.[10:40:25] <Duggan> tried again, no dice[10:40:32] <Duggan> jessicah` yes[10:41:23] <Duggan> humdinger still no luck[10:41:35] <humdinger> Duggan: maybe clear the haikuports/repository folder...[10:41:48] <humdinger> what app do ou build?[10:42:08] <Duggan> Tyrian[10:42:11] <Duggan> or: opentyrian[10:42:14] <Duggan> to be accurate[10:43:52] <humdinger> Did you set ALLOW_UNTESTED="yes" in ~/config/settings/haikuports.conf ?[10:43:58] <Duggan> yes[10:44:33] <jessicah`> and unsafe sources?[10:44:38] <humdinger> FWIW, it's building here under gcc2h with gcc5[10:44:54] <Duggan> jessicah` no, but it hasn't bombed saying it was unsafe[10:45:04] <Duggan> humdinger clearing the repository directory worked[10:45:06] <humdinger> These "Dependency.Info" errors can be strange at times[10:45:16] <humdinger> oh good.[10:46:57] <Duggan> nothing provides lib:libsdl_net[10:48:06] <humdinger> that's not in HaikuDepot.[10:48:11] <humdinger> build that first :)[10:49:09] <Duggan> and I'm not seeing Abuse :/[10:49:14] <humdinger> meanwhile... has /me played the first level of the game already. :P[10:49:19] <Duggan> or BASS... :'([10:49:51] <Duggan> ok, how do I build that then?...[10:50:11] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[10:50:12] <humdinger> "hp sdl_net"[10:51:18] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@212.69.17.18> has joined #haiku[10:51:18] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@212.69.17.18> has quit IRC (Changing host)[10:51:18] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has joined #haiku[10:51:20] <Duggan> oh[10:51:20] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has joined #haiku[11:06:22] <Duggan> humdinger failed on zlib[11:06:32] <Duggan> oh well, I'll have to try again tomorrow... time for a nap...[11:06:47] <Duggan> take care all... see y'all soon :)[11:06:55] <humdinger> sleep well[11:07:04] <Duggan> good work, jessicah` :)[11:07:12] <Duggan> bye humdinger[11:07:20] <jessicah`> buhbyes Duggan[11:07:27] <Duggan> :)[11:07:30] * humdinger tugs in Duggan[11:07:30] <jessicah`> I probably could do with sleep too[11:07:55] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-44-213.bix.bellsouth.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[11:28:39] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85b47e.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[11:36:08] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #haiku[11:55:12] *** miqlas-H64 <miqlas-H64!~Haiku@81-0-122-50.pool.invitel.hu> has joined #haiku[11:55:23] <miqlas-H64> hi guise![11:57:36] *** vanisha <vanisha!0e8b9ca7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.139.156.167> has joined #haiku[12:08:23] <miqlas-H64> Have somebody idea, what's wrong with my recipe? https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/pull/984[12:19:40] *** raefaldhia <raefaldhia!24481834@gateway/web/freenode/ip.36.72.24.52> has joined #haiku[12:30:14] *** raefaldhia <raefaldhia!24481834@gateway/web/freenode/ip.36.72.24.52> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[12:32:54] *** postmen <postmen!~tonio@p5B150CFA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[12:36:03] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[12:36:51] *** postmen <postmen!~tonio@p5B150CFA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[12:38:05] *** raefaldhia <raefaldhia!24481834@gateway/web/freenode/ip.36.72.24.52> has joined #haiku[12:38:42] *** postmen <postmen!~tonio@p5B150CFA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[12:38:51] <raefaldhia> Anyone know how properly use BSimpleGameSound? it freeze my application[12:39:52] *** munchausen <munchausen!~er209@myrtle.kent.ac.uk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[12:41:38] *** munchausen <munchausen!~er209@myrtle.kent.ac.uk> has joined #haiku[12:43:25] *** euver <euver!~Thunderbi@p54A29540.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: euver)[12:55:43] *** bitkid <bitkid!~bitkid@x1-6-c0-ff-d4-9c-db-ec.cpe.webspeed.dk> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[12:55:43] *** pixdamix <pixdamix!~pix@unaffiliated/pixdamix> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[12:55:43] *** stux|work <stux|work!stux@legacy.xzibition.com> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[12:55:44] *** Blub\w <Blub\w!~wry@unaffiliated/blubw/x-6625061> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[12:55:44] *** Bryanstein <Bryanstein!~Bryanstei@shellium/admin/bryanstein> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[12:55:44] *** trn <trn!jhj@prone.ws> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[12:55:44] *** ohnx <ohnx!~ohnx@unaffiliated/ohnx> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[12:55:53] *** ohnx <ohnx!~ohnx@anonym.easybnc.com> has joined #haiku[12:55:54] *** stux|work <stux|work!stux@legacy.xzibition.com> has joined #haiku[12:55:58] *** trn <trn!jhj@prone.ws> has joined #haiku[12:56:10] *** pixdamix <pixdamix!~pix@devlife.org> has joined #haiku[12:56:21] *** pixdamix <pixdamix!~pix@devlife.org> has quit IRC (Changing host)[12:56:21] *** pixdamix <pixdamix!~pix@unaffiliated/pixdamix> has joined #haiku[12:56:23] *** bitkid <bitkid!~bitkid@x1-6-c0-ff-d4-9c-db-ec.cpe.webspeed.dk> has joined #haiku[12:56:33] *** Blub\w <Blub\w!~wry@93.83.4.190> has joined #haiku[12:57:19] *** Bryanstein <Bryanstein!~Bryanstei@shellium/admin/bryanstein> has joined #haiku[12:58:34] <Perelandra> Perelandra: testing Vision[12:59:29] <Perelandra> Darn that didn't work. Can someone send a message starting with "Perelandra:" ? I am testing notifications in Vision.[13:01:33] <raefaldhia> Perelandra: here y go[13:01:34] <miqlas-H64> Perelandra: HI![13:01:55] * miqlas-H64 thinks Perelandra got ntfications.[13:02:39] <miqlas-H64> Bye Guise![13:02:42] *** miqlas-H64 <miqlas-H64!~Haiku@81-0-122-50.pool.invitel.hu> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[13:02:57] <Perelandra> Does Visions need to be in background? Oops. Can you send again?[13:03:23] <raefaldhia> Perelandra: here y go[13:05:59] <Perelandra> Hmm, nothing, maybe there is a timeout before notifications are sent. Any suggestions for an app that kicks off notifications (other than notify)? I am doing some work on the notification server to archive notifications so you can recall ones that timed out before being seen.[13:10:19] *** raefaldhia <raefaldhia!24481834@gateway/web/freenode/ip.36.72.24.52> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[13:11:08] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[13:11:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[13:27:22] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:28:15] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has joined #haiku[13:37:21] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:186a:e60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[13:41:41] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:44:27] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has joined #haiku[13:45:42] *** raefaldhia <raefaldhia!24481834@gateway/web/freenode/ip.36.72.24.52> has joined #haiku[14:05:46] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[14:06:17] *** raefaldhia <raefaldhia!24481834@gateway/web/freenode/ip.36.72.24.52> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[14:35:22] *** vanisha <vanisha!0e8b9ca7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.139.156.167> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[14:48:18] *** Ace__ <Ace__!24468b25@gateway/web/freenode/ip.36.70.139.37> has joined #haiku[15:11:14] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: GeneralDuke)[15:12:28] *** devhydraz <devhydraz!matheus@heddw.ch> has joined #haiku[15:12:28] *** devhydraz <devhydraz!matheus@heddw.ch> has quit IRC (Changing host)[15:12:28] *** devhydraz <devhydraz!matheus@unaffiliated/demhydraz> has joined #haiku[15:15:06] *** hydraz <hydraz!matheus@unaffiliated/demhydraz> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[15:15:06] *** scanty <scanty!eli@capacitance.org> has quit IRC (Quit: changing servers)[15:15:22] *** scanty <scanty!eli@capacitance.org> has joined #haiku[15:22:12] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@ip-109-45-2-235.web.vodafone.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[15:26:18] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #haiku[15:36:38] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has joined #haiku[15:44:49] *** xemdetia_ <xemdetia_!~xemdetia@pool-173-76-168-129.bstnma.fios.verizon.net> has joined #haiku[15:50:14] *** Ace__ <Ace__!24468b25@gateway/web/freenode/ip.36.70.139.37> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[15:58:42] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has quit IRC (Quit: Life beckons.)[16:28:42] *** DennisRoczek|afk <DennisRoczek|afk!~DennisRoc@unaffiliated/dennisroczek> has joined #haiku[16:40:27] *** Dacian <Dacian!5f4cbda7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.76.189.167> has joined #haiku[16:40:31] <Dacian> hello[16:40:45] <Dacian> and Happy new year[16:41:18] <Dacian> can you help me with this https://pastebin.com/raw/eGze0g1r ?[16:41:47] *** Daciann <Daciann!5f4cbda7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.76.189.167> has joined #haiku[16:43:58] *** jrabbit <jrabbit!~jack@2604:a880:0:1010::861:c001> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[16:44:25] *** jrabbit <jrabbit!~jack@unaffiliated/jrabbit> has joined #haiku[16:45:17] <mmu_man> plop[16:45:19] <mmu_man> bbl[16:45:56] <Dacian> what?[16:46:52] <Diver> Dacian: you need to add devel:libsqlite3$secondaryArchSuffix BUILD_REQUIRES=[16:47:59] <Dacian> ok[16:48:03] <Dacian> thank you so much[16:48:19] <Dacian> i've tried just sqlite and sqlite3[16:49:51] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[16:50:03] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85b47e.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[16:50:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[16:50:59] *** petrichorx_ <petrichorx_!uid147077@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzcziaunxezoydkm> has joined #haiku[16:51:03] *** knarf <knarf!~knarf@143.252.82.79.rev.sfr.net> has joined #haiku[16:55:53] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@ip-109-45-0-174.web.vodafone.de> has joined #haiku[16:55:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[16:58:58] <Daciann> @humdinger are you here?[16:59:16] <humdinger> I am[16:59:45] <Daciann> I've made a recipe for fairtrade[16:59:52] <Daciann> how can i put it on git?[17:00:09] <humdinger> best with a pull request.[17:00:24] <humdinger> see: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/wiki/DevelopmentModel[17:02:06] <humdinger> this might be easier to understand, when you're doing it the first time: https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/humdinger/2016-05-28_contributing_pull_requests[17:09:16] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vawzaqwilsdhqygr> has joined #haiku[17:09:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o waddlesplash[17:11:52] <Daciann> @humdinger when i use this git push origin new-feature i says please make sure you have correct access rights[17:13:02] <humdinger> Daciann: did you fork and clone from your github?[17:13:11] <humdinger> not haikuports'[17:15:22] <Daciann> i think i didn't clone it[17:15:50] <humdinger> aha. you should read that blog post I linked last.[17:16:01] <humdinger> it's step-by-step and should get you there[17:16:02] <Daciann> i've read it[17:16:20] <humdinger> do as it says. :)[17:16:37] <Daciann> but i've made another pr in past I thought that i do not have to do it aganin[17:17:47] <humdinger> if you do more PRs to haikuports, you may want to use feature-branches as described in the wiki I linked first[17:18:54] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: GeneralDuke)[17:21:35] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[17:24:00] <humdinger> Hi Vidrep![17:42:37] *** neminis <neminis!~neminis@APoitiers-157-1-40-172.w83-193.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #haiku[17:48:59] <Vidrep> Hi humdinger[17:49:22] <Vidrep> Sorry, my wife called me away from the computer just as I logged on[17:49:32] *** Daciann <Daciann!5f4cbda7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.76.189.167> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[17:49:36] <humdinger> Your printer changes are pretty simpl; I'd say.[17:49:43] <humdinger> hang on, I have to restart Vision[17:49:46] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85b47e.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[17:49:57] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85b47e.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[17:49:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[17:51:04] <humdinger> I did some changes, though not all like you wrote. http://sprunge.us/SWWh[17:51:26] <humdinger> Vidrep: see if you agree, if you can understand what I wrote...[17:52:26] <humdinger> Essentially, I think "Page setup" is better than "Paper setup", because it's not only about paper settings.[17:52:34] <waddlesplash> humdinger: looks good to me[17:52:46] <waddlesplash> the entire printing subsystem needs a lot of love...[17:53:03] <humdinger> yes. it's not easy, because it's all over the place.[17:53:08] * waddlesplash is presently investigating Vidrep's LegacyPackageInstaller crasher[17:53:12] <humdinger> print kit, lib, add-ons...[17:53:22] <waddlesplash> what addons do we have by default?[17:53:27] <waddlesplash> aren't the addons just the print device drivers?[17:53:43] <Vidrep> I was looking at the code yesterday. Most of it hasn't been touched since 2004 and still refers to OpenBeOS[17:53:48] <humdinger> Are there any limits for B_TRANSLATE when it comes to libraries?[17:54:02] <humdinger> Still, some strings come from the add-ons[17:54:05] <waddlesplash> idk, ask PulkoMandy[17:54:12] <humdinger> yeah :)[17:54:15] <waddlesplash> isn't there some system catkeys or something?[17:54:37] <humdinger> nope.[17:54:48] <Vidrep> humdinger, I "think" I understand your changes, and if so, then it's an improvement over what we now have[17:54:52] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: bad news: the package you uploaded does not crash my PackageInstaller[17:55:30] <humdinger> Vidrep: I'll commit those string changes, you can test it, and if it's OK I look into adding translations where possible.[17:55:32] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, not a biggie. I only installed it so I could copy the user guide[17:56:14] <humdinger> Vidrep: when you print a test page, there always comes a page setup panel, right?[17:56:35] <Vidrep> However, it might indicate a legacy installer issue too[17:56:56] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: how did you install it?[17:57:14] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, double click...[17:57:22] <waddlesplash> hrm[17:57:32] <waddlesplash> where'd you install it to?[17:58:06] <waddlesplash> oh, I get an "error extracting package name"[17:58:09] <waddlesplash> but it doesn't crash[17:58:39] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, it installed to whatever the default location is /boot/system/ non-packaged???[17:58:45] <waddlesplash> yeah, sounds good[17:58:58] <waddlesplash> if you try installing again, does it still crash for you?[17:59:10] <Vidrep> humdinger, the test page goes a slightly different route than a regular print job[17:59:33] <Vidrep> It works, as is, so probably no need to mess with it[18:00:07] <humdinger> I just looked, because you said, it always takes the defualt printer, not the selected one.[18:00:17] <Vidrep> The only issue is that the test page comes out with a lot of errors (but that's for another day)[18:00:19] <humdinger> From the code, this isn't so: fSelectedPrinter = fPrinterListView->SelectedItem();[18:00:34] <humdinger> only instead of the test page, a page setup panel appears.[18:00:44] <humdinger> there's a pop-up menu with all printers on top.[18:00:55] <Vidrep> I'm on a different PC. No printer set up. So, I'll do it now...[18:01:04] <humdinger> it always seems to have selected the printer that ws last selected in that panel.[18:01:46] <humdinger> doesn't matter. just saying, it isn't some obvious fix...[18:02:25] <Vidrep> I have the printer set up and waiting to print a test page[18:03:10] <Vidrep> Print test page->Page setup (Paper setup: undefined)[18:03:45] <humdinger> and a pop-up at the top[18:04:24] <Vidrep> Then "OK", "OK" again, then it goes to "LPR Setup" (where you set the IP address or Printer name)[18:04:50] <humdinger> when printing a test page with an existing printer?[18:05:32] <Vidrep> Server name: EPSON66A22E->"OK" then the test page is printed[18:05:45] *** Daciann <Daciann!5f4cbda7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.76.189.167> has joined #haiku[18:06:25] *** rennj <rennj!~rennj@host-69-146-167-35.static.bresnan.net> has joined #haiku[18:06:42] <Vidrep> It never uses the "Page setup"->"PrintJob setup" dialog[18:07:27] <Dacian> ~/haikuports> git push --set-upstream origin my_features Username for 'https://github.com': dacianf Password for 'https://dacianf at github dot com': remote: Permission to haikuports/haikuports.git denied to dacianf. fatal: unable to access 'https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports.git/': The requested URL returned error: 403[18:07:32] <Dacian> i got this errpr[18:07:34] <Dacian> error[18:07:46] <Dacian> @humdinger what is wrong?[18:07:58] <humdinger> Here only the Page setup panel comes up, with OK I'm asked for the loction (only PDFwriter here).[18:09:08] <humdinger> Dacian: difficult to read and I'm no git expert. Are you sure the "it push --set-upstream origin my_features" is correct?[18:09:22] <humdinger> Is your branch called "my_features"?[18:11:15] *** neminis <neminis!~neminis@APoitiers-157-1-40-172.w83-193.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[18:11:25] <Dacian> yes[18:11:33] <Dacian> should i work on master?[18:11:58] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: looks like that package file is bad[18:12:02] <waddlesplash> like, somebody made it wrong[18:12:08] <waddlesplash> still don't know why it crashes sometimes tho[18:12:18] <waddlesplash> I'll add a semi-workaround[18:13:53] <humdinger> Dacian: the command described in the wiki is "git push origin new-feature".[18:14:17] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@173-14-248-42-washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #haiku[18:14:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[18:14:51] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, I'm more concerned about the package installer (if there is an issue) than that old outdated package[18:15:00] <waddlesplash> yeah, well, I can't reproduce the crash[18:15:10] *** Vanisha <Vanisha!0e8b9ca7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.139.156.167> has joined #haiku[18:15:21] <Dacian> @humdinger yes, that's because they've created a new brench called new-feaure[18:15:22] <Vidrep> Thanks for looking into it, since there are still a lot of BeOS apps in that format[18:15:31] <Dacian> and mine is called my-fetures[18:15:31] <waddlesplash> I found one semi-annoying bug in the PackageInstaller which I fixed[18:15:43] <waddlesplash> and another one that I'm fixing, but no dice[18:16:14] <humdinger> Dacian: I'm more concerned about the additional --set-upstream[18:16:33] *** DennisRoczek|afk <DennisRoczek|afk!~DennisRoc@unaffiliated/dennisroczek> has quit IRC (Quit: ...)[18:17:19] <Vanisha> humdinger: Can you have a look at PR ? pulkomandy has approved from his side , need your approval too[18:17:43] <humdinger> did you change the help file as suggested?[18:17:55] <Vanisha> yes[18:18:13] <Vidrep> humdinger is multitasking[18:20:20] <humdinger> Vidrep: the help.pdf is still the old one.[18:20:28] <humdinger> and I don't see my comments on the PR.[18:20:35] <humdinger> what the heckl[18:21:19] <Vanisha> The last change you asked for was to change documentviewer.odt to help.odt[18:21:51] <HAIKU-irker273> haiku.master: waddlesplash * hrev50824 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=bdf0ed423161+%5Ee6efd8f21c3d[18:21:52] <HAIKU-irker273> bdf0ed423161: LegacyPackageInstaller: Ignore files which do not end in ".pdb".[18:21:54] <waddlesplash> there, that's something at least[18:21:59] <humdinger> I made a comment with changes to the contents.[18:22:15] <humdinger> all gone now, but thanks to Clipdinger I had it in the history.[18:22:22] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: if you have more .pkg files, do test them and report bugs[18:22:25] <humdinger> commented again...[18:22:34] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: and let me know if you can indeed reproduce that[18:24:26] <humdinger> How do I use " git format-patch"?[18:24:31] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, sure np[18:24:36] <humdinger> I am on my branch, all changes are committed.[18:24:41] <waddlesplash> humdinger: git format-patch -1 ?[18:24:47] <waddlesplash> will output last commit as patch[18:24:53] <waddlesplash> or -2, -3, etc.[18:25:03] <humdinger> that worked. thanks.[18:25:22] <humdinger> the wiki doesn't , says: "git format-patch <commitsha or branch name>"[18:25:43] <waddlesplash> yeah, git exports starting at "commitsha + 1"[18:25:57] <waddlesplash> not at "commitsha" itself[18:26:49] <humdinger> tricky.[18:26:58] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[18:28:15] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, I wipe my drives and do fresh installs weekly, so[18:28:55] <Vidrep> ...I can easily do a pile of pkg installs to test the legacy installer more thoroughly[18:29:16] <waddlesplash> cool, thnx[18:29:39] <Vidrep> Usually the only pkg I put on Haiku is GoBe[18:29:51] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@2.68.86.217.mobile.tre.se> has joined #haiku[18:29:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[18:30:32] <Vanisha> humdinger: The arrow's aren't looking good[18:30:33] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3318 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2 is complete: Failure [failed jam @minimum-raw] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2/builds/3318 blamelist: Augustin Cavalier <waddlesplash at gmail dot com>[18:30:53] <waddlesplash> !notme[18:30:59] <waddlesplash> mmu_man: no epigraph? :p[18:31:18] <humdinger> Vanisha: I only added those to show what you sentence should be replaced with :)[18:31:24] <humdinger> one push, then dinner...[18:31:41] <HAIKU-irker273> haiku.master: humdinger * hrev50825 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=5f050a9e7a76+%5Ebdf0ed423161[18:31:42] <HAIKU-irker273> 5f050a9e7a76: Change strings in Printer prefs[18:31:47] * humdinger is idle: dinner[18:31:52] <mmu_man> re[18:32:15] <mmu_man> waddlesplash: it's on my laptop and I'm lazy to start it everytime :p[18:32:32] *** epigraph <epigraph!~haiku-bot@2a01:e35:2f46:f520:f2de:f1ff:fe47:4134> has joined #haiku[18:33:29] <waddlesplash> http://xref.plausible.coop/source/xref/haiku/src/apps/packageinstaller/UninstallView.cpp#157[18:33:30] <waddlesplash> ?????[18:33:44] <waddlesplash> axeld: does the node-watcher still have that nasty bug ^ ?[18:36:32] <mmu_man> !plop[18:36:32] <epigraph> mmu_man: plop[18:37:52] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@ip-109-45-0-174.web.vodafone.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[18:40:49] *** Dacian <Dacian!5f4cbda7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.76.189.167> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[18:47:04] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[18:48:32] *** xemdetia_ <xemdetia_!~xemdetia@pool-173-76-168-129.bstnma.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[18:48:52] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@173-14-248-42-washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[18:59:32] <Daciann> mmu_man are you here?[19:01:02] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[19:01:31] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@p2003005B441FBD00022314FFFEAF6410.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[19:04:24] *** Vanisha <Vanisha!0e8b9ca7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.139.156.167> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[19:07:28] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[19:07:43] *** petrichorx_ <petrichorx_!uid147077@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jzcziaunxezoydkm> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[19:09:22] <mmu_man> re[19:09:35] <mmu_man> Daciann: sorry, was busy reading mails[19:09:37] <mmu_man> 'up ?[19:10:23] <Daciann> yeop[19:10:45] <Daciann> can you help me with making a pr for fairtrade?[19:10:51] *** LiberalSquash <LiberalSquash!~LiberalSq@kol-kvintus.cust.fsknet.dk> has joined #haiku[19:10:51] <mmu_man> sure[19:10:55] *** LiberalSquash <LiberalSquash!~LiberalSq@kol-kvintus.cust.fsknet.dk> has left #haiku[19:10:59] <Daciann> do i need a new branch for that?[19:11:31] <mmu_man> for the recipe?[19:11:42] <mmu_man> yeah you probably want to make a new branch on haikuports[19:11:44] <Daciann> for making pr[19:12:07] <Daciann> so cd haikuports --- git checkout -b new-features?[19:12:18] <Daciann> and then what should i do?[19:12:41] <mmu_man> sure you don't have any pending changes?[19:13:02] <mmu_man> the recipe is new I suppose?[19:13:06] <mmu_man> so it's not known to git yet[19:13:08] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3319 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2/builds/3319[19:13:32] <Daciann> yes is new[19:13:46] <mmu_man> so yeah, once you're on a branch you'd[19:14:08] <mmu_man> git add */fairtrade/fairtrade-VERSION.recipe[19:14:25] <mmu_man> same for the eventual patch[19:14:40] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@173-14-248-42-washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #haiku[19:14:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[19:14:45] <mmu_man> then you can[19:14:53] <mmu_man> git commit -m "Add recipe for fairtrade"[19:16:33] *** Lelldorin1 <Lelldorin1!~lelldorin@x4e36312d.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[19:17:05] <Daciann> i've got an error[19:17:29] <Daciann> Untracked files[19:17:49] *** Lelldorin1 <Lelldorin1!~lelldorin@x4e36312d.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[19:19:02] <Daciann> i thinks this error came because a few days ago I've tried to fix some recipes[19:19:30] <mmu_man> ok let's open a pad or something[19:19:38] <mmu_man> and paste me your git status[19:20:39] <Daciann> http://collabedit.com/w9w9f[19:22:32] <Daciann> can you see it?[19:24:08] *** AnxiousGarlic <AnxiousGarlic!~AnxiousGa@52d3d456.dynamic-ip.k-net.dk> has joined #haiku[19:24:12] *** AnxiousGarlic <AnxiousGarlic!~AnxiousGa@52d3d456.dynamic-ip.k-net.dk> has left #haiku[19:25:03] <Daciann> mmu_man ??[19:28:49] *** Guma <Guma!~quassel@2601:249:301:6a33:45c3:70bb:bcae:4673> has joined #haiku[19:30:56] <mmu_man> e[19:30:57] <mmu_man> re[19:31:46] <mmu_man> hmm[19:31:48] <mmu_man> looks weird[19:32:21] <mmu_man> you did the git add ?[19:33:04] <mmu_man> sure you don't have it elsewhere?[19:33:41] * humdinger has returned[19:36:52] *** Vanisha <Vanisha!0e8b9ca7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.139.156.167> has joined #haiku[19:37:59] <Vidrep> humdinger, I'm just waiting for the buildbots to catch up, so I can have a look at the changes you pushed[19:38:31] <humdinger> great![19:38:35] <Vidrep> I have to go out and do some grocery shopping, so I'll bbl[19:38:46] <humdinger> cu![19:39:16] <Vidrep> humdinger, do you mind my emails with these kinds of things?[19:39:31] <humdinger> not at all.[19:39:40] <humdinger> if it's easy stuff, I'm eager to help. :)[19:39:55] <Vidrep> OK. I don't want to get to the point where its an annoyance[19:39:59] <Vanisha> humdinger: Writing objects: 100% (6/6), 107.54 KiB | 0 bytes/s, done. Total 6 (delta 3), reused 0 (delta 0) push gets stuck here[19:40:14] <Vanisha> humdinger: I have wasted over 1 hour on this now[19:40:45] <Vanisha> The remote end hung up unexpectedly ..[19:40:45] <humdinger> when pushing to your github?[19:40:50] <Vanisha> yes[19:41:12] <Vanisha> I thought deleting the files using github might help[19:41:21] <Vanisha> but still same issue persist[19:41:32] <humdinger> you did manage to push your deletion of help.pdf and help.odt though...[19:41:38] <humdinger> ah[19:41:50] <humdinger> and now you re-added them?[19:41:54] <Vanisha> Nah .. I used Github to do that[19:42:01] <Vanisha> Not the shell[19:42:39] <humdinger> well, add them with "git add "[19:42:50] <humdinger> the commit --amend[19:43:00] <humdinger> and push -f that.[19:43:40] <humdinger> stupid vision. for some reason my curser position is lagging behind...[19:43:53] <humdinger> let me restart Vision[19:43:55] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85b47e.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[19:44:13] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85b47e.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[19:44:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[19:44:25] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[19:44:31] <humdinger> so, now it's better. wonder how that comes about...[19:46:09] *** DHowett <DHowett!~dustin@c-76-104-158-30.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[19:46:09] *** DHowett <DHowett!~dustin@c-76-104-158-30.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Changing host)[19:46:09] *** DHowett <DHowett!~dustin@velocitylimitless/awesome/ultraviolet/DHowett> has joined #haiku[19:48:09] <Vanisha> humdinger: Finally ![19:48:18] <Vanisha> humdinger: I am so happy xD[19:48:29] <humdinger> nice! :)[19:50:12] <mmu_man> Daciann: ?[19:55:39] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-167-63-85.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:55:57] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-145-248-171.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[19:55:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[20:13:08] <waddlesplash> Perelandra: oh, hi, you are in here[20:13:48] <waddlesplash> Perelandra: I'm going over your code now; do let me know if you have any questions about anything at all[20:20:22] *** xemdetia_ <xemdetia_!xemdetia@nat/ibm/x-ynsracvsanllbshf> has joined #haiku[20:21:54] *** xemdetia__ <xemdetia__!~xemdetia@129.42.208.174> has joined #haiku[20:24:14] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-44-213.bix.bellsouth.net> has joined #haiku[20:24:26] <Duggan> greetings, earth creatures[20:24:46] <humdinger> It's back![20:24:46] *** xemdetia_ <xemdetia_!xemdetia@nat/ibm/x-ynsracvsanllbshf> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[20:24:47] <Duggan> :P jessicah`[20:24:54] <Duggan> hey humdinger hehe[20:27:22] <Duggan> humdinger, have you tried building x86_64?[20:27:54] <humdinger> nope. I only have a nightly install here in case I need to build a package for it.[20:28:07] <Duggan> oh ok[20:28:50] <Vanisha> scottmc: My task is up for review can you have a look ?[20:30:02] <humdinger> Vanisha: your documentviewer task?[20:30:40] <Vanisha> humdinger: A app testing app , I did that early in day today .[20:30:57] <Vanisha> testing task*[20:31:06] <humdinger> doing two tasks at once? didn't think that was possible...[20:32:15] <Vanisha> After creating a PR I used to go through other tasks . Now I can put them up for review one by one .[20:32:39] <humdinger> sneaky, sneaky. :)[20:34:16] <Vanisha> xD .. Most of the Haiku Members are from Europe isn't it ?[20:34:45] <Duggan> define "members" :)[20:35:01] <Vanisha> users* and devs*[20:35:26] <Duggan> I'm not sure about users, probably most of the devs are though[20:36:16] <Vanisha> Europe is fun , you can travel from one country to other easily .[20:38:06] <Duggan> I might try installing from this build I ran just to see what happens... I don't trust it though... I get _ReadBuffer errors right at the end when creating the image with no explanation as to what caused it[20:40:05] *** rdad <rdad!~rdad@c-98-206-31-153.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[20:40:17] <Duggan> hej rdad[20:40:29] *** pdziepak <pdziepak!~pdziepak@188.172.154.225> has joined #haiku[20:40:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o pdziepak[20:41:39] <waddlesplash> oh hey pdziepak, nice to see you around :)[20:42:06] <pdziepak> hi[20:42:45] <Duggan> hi guys[20:43:48] <rdad> hello![20:45:48] <johnny_b> hi Duggan[20:48:19] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85b47e.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[20:51:09] <Duggan> hey johnny_b[20:51:17] *** Vanisha <Vanisha!0e8b9ca7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.139.156.167> has quit IRC (Quit: It's sleep time!)[20:53:09] <johnny_b> howdy?[20:53:32] <Duggan> howdy[20:55:01] <johnny_b> 8)[20:56:04] <Duggan> been practicing your coding? :P[20:59:49] <johnny_b> wat? 8)[21:00:10] <Duggan> have you been learning programming still?[21:02:05] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[21:02:07] <johnny_b> 8)[21:02:23] <johnny_b> programming needs life-time learning 8p[21:02:48] <Duggan> are you calling me old? :P[21:03:37] <johnny_b> just not understanding the question 8p[21:03:53] <Duggan> you wanted to learn to program when you were helping me with Drafter, remember?[21:05:39] <johnny_b> hmm[21:05:57] <johnny_b> i dunno it was long time ago[21:11:50] *** dax007 <dax007!dfbe72dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.223.190.114.221> has joined #haiku[21:12:04] *** dax007 <dax007!dfbe72dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.223.190.114.221> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[21:18:46] <pdziepak> i see that haiku x64 doesn't support 5-level paging yet, i guess i'll need to look into that before i buy myself a pc with 64 TB of ram ;)[21:19:22] <waddlesplash> ohh[21:19:37] <waddlesplash> pdziepak: that must be what this ticket is caused by then https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12896 :)[21:20:43] <pdziepak> 128GB is nothing ;)[21:20:43] <waddlesplash> ... or is that just some phys_addr bug[21:20:52] * waddlesplash doesn't get that bug at all[21:21:11] <waddlesplash> pdziepak: well, you'll certainly run into it even if you implement 5-level paging :P[21:21:31] <pdziepak> it is not clear from the ticket whether it happens on 32 or 64 bit version[21:22:05] <waddlesplash> syslog looks like 32-bit I think[21:22:42] <waddlesplash> pdziepak: yeah, syslog is gcc2h[21:22:43] <pdziepak> if it is only 32 bit then perhaps some miscast from physical address to void* somewhere[21:22:59] <pdziepak> or to uintptr_t[21:23:02] <waddlesplash> oh dear[21:23:10] <waddlesplash> well, it's apparently in pkgfs[21:23:16] <waddlesplash> so, I guess that's a starting point to look for casting[21:24:00] <pdziepak> the best solution surely would be to disallow implicit casts between physical and virtual addresses[21:24:50] <waddlesplash> how would we do that?[21:24:57] <waddlesplash> isn't phys_addr_t just a typedef[21:26:39] <pdziepak> something like this: http://pastebin.com/mA7GyuGY[21:27:03] <pdziepak> obviously the interface would have to be tweaked to fit exactly the needs of the code using it[21:27:10] <waddlesplash> which is, like, most of the kernl[21:27:17] <pdziepak> not really[21:27:48] <pdziepak> it's not like every piece of code in the kernel deals with physical addresses[21:27:58] <pdziepak> and even if they do they mostly pass them around[21:28:28] <waddlesplash> er[21:28:32] <pdziepak> type safety like this makes sure that nothing bad happens to the value during this "passing around"[21:28:42] <waddlesplash> pkgfs returns no results for phys_addr_t[21:28:46] <waddlesplash> means problem is probably elsewhere[21:29:04] <waddlesplash> pdziepak: think this is something that I could try to tackle?[21:29:14] * waddlesplash knows way too little about kernel programming[21:29:21] <waddlesplash> or am I in over my head[21:29:27] <pdziepak> there is nothing kernel-specific about it[21:29:35] <pdziepak> just adding more type safety to the code[21:29:38] <pdziepak> which is always good[21:29:47] <pdziepak> so i don't see why not[21:29:56] <waddlesplash> ok, I'll try it I guess, see what happens[21:29:58] <jrabbit> package category question: taskwarrior (commandline task client)[21:30:06] <jrabbit> app-text?[21:31:26] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[21:32:29] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[21:34:12] <waddlesplash> pdziepak: gcc2 barfs all over when thrown that, "only declarations of constructors can be declared explicit"[21:34:14] <waddlesplash> gcc4 time[21:34:34] <waddlesplash> (so that means we can't merge this code into trunk :/)[21:34:35] <pdziepak> waddlesplash: it is also possible that the bug is actually in the 32 bit paging implementation (the one with pat)[21:34:55] <waddlesplash> pdziepak: well, I know zero about that[21:35:41] <pdziepak> well, my solution for problems with gcc2 was to abandon the project, i will not recommend that to you ;)[21:36:19] <waddlesplash> you could've chimed in and voted to nuke the gcc2 kernel when we were talking about that :p[21:36:20] <jrabbit> scottmc: I think hainu-cnf is modernized/functional (some of the optional modes were broken)[21:36:26] <pdziepak> btw in that example code the constructor should be explicit as well[21:40:34] <waddlesplash> pdziepak: the one in /haiku/src/system/kernel/arch/x86/paging/32bit/ you mean?[21:41:49] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[21:41:50] <pdziepak> no, the pae one[21:42:44] <waddlesplash> ah[21:42:48] <pdziepak> 32bit is useful if you have less than 4 GB of memory[21:54:02] <jrabbit> oh hello /etc/profile.d ![22:12:04] *** ubuntourist <ubuntourist!~kjcole@ubuntu/member/kjcole> has joined #haiku[22:14:49] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-44-213.bix.bellsouth.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[22:16:05] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[22:16:46] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-44-213.bix.bellsouth.net> has joined #haiku[22:16:58] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-44-213.bix.bellsouth.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:17:18] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has joined #haiku[22:18:20] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@adsl-195-168-237-202.dynamic.nextra.sk> has joined #haiku[22:18:41] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@adsl-195-168-237-202.dynamic.nextra.sk> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:24:13] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-44-213.bix.bellsouth.net> has joined #haiku[22:35:46] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-44-213.bix.bellsouth.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[22:37:51] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-44-213.bix.bellsouth.net> has joined #haiku[22:41:12] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:43:11] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@173-14-248-42-washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:43:31] *** KapiX <KapiX!~kacper@89-65-138-76.dynamic.chello.pl> has joined #haiku[22:43:42] <KapiX> hi all[22:44:17] <KapiX> waddlesplash: any particular reason you put libpagemaker in dev-libs instead of media-libs?[22:44:26] <waddlesplash> KapiX: I did?[22:44:36] <waddlesplash> that must've been like forever ago[22:44:38] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@173-14-248-42-washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #haiku[22:44:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[22:44:42] <waddlesplash> so, no, I don't know[22:44:59] <KapiX> yup, first version of the recipe was commited by you[22:45:08] <Duggan> hej all, Skipp_OSX[22:45:24] <KapiX> ok, I'll move it then[22:45:29] <waddlesplash> k[22:45:50] <Skipp_OSX> hi Duggan[22:46:08] <waddlesplash> KapiX: working on LO port?[22:49:10] <KapiX> yup[22:49:43] <KapiX> I ported the old patches to 5.3.0.1 and I am trying to get it to compile from end to finish[22:50:11] <KapiX> but switches like enable_database_connectivity=no are broken[22:50:27] <KapiX> and recompiling everything for the build system to pickup changes takes a lot of time[22:50:40] <KapiX> from beginning to end*[22:51:08] <waddlesplash> nice[22:51:22] <waddlesplash> I ported Qt Creator but it does lots of stuff with the FS that make it reeeaaally slow[22:51:27] <waddlesplash> which is annoying[22:51:59] <HAIKU-irker273> haiku.master: waddlesplash * hrev50826 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=02b11c198242+%5E5f050a9e7a76[22:52:00] <HAIKU-irker273> 02b11c198242: LegacyPackageInstaller: Fix strnlen/strncmp usage.[22:58:06] *** pdziepak <pdziepak!~pdziepak@188.172.154.225> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:14:24] *** fujisan <fujisan!uid4207@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hxppfyhxomciahay> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[23:14:47] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[23:17:51] <Perelandra> waddlesplash: Thanks for doing a review will look over your comments tonight. I left Vision open hoping to get some notifications archived but no luck. I had two yesterday. What are the conditions that cause Vision to post a notification?[23:18:17] <Duggan> Perelandra private messages[23:19:54] <Duggan> to be more specific, private messages when the private chat is not the main view[23:20:52] <Perelandra> Really? This is one, does look like a PM:[23:20:56] <Perelandra> B_STRING_TYPE "_content" "#haiku - Vidrep said: Was it Perelandra that did the "Depots" preflet? Good idea to merge into Depot."[23:21:13] <Perelandra> *doesn't* I meant[23:21:19] <Duggan> no, it looks like someone just mentioned your name[23:21:33] <Duggan> like that[23:21:42] <Perelandra> Yes! Got that.[23:22:49] <Duggan> so if you want notifications to be generated, all you have to do is have someone message you :P[23:23:08] <Perelandra> Yeah, that will got old quick![23:23:35] <Duggan> it's pretty useful... definitely gets your attention[23:23:39] <Duggan> what is your task?[23:24:05] <Perelandra> Any other apps besides notify that can be poked to send a notification? I am developing archiving of notification in the notification_server.[23:24:41] <Perelandra> Notify quits after sending the notification message so the Messanger for it is invalid by the time the message is processed.[23:25:02] <Duggan> I think there's a way to generate a message on the command line and send it to a specific program...[23:25:37] <Duggan> tried the notification_server instead?[23:26:47] <Perelandra> Have the notification_server send a notification message to itself?[23:27:03] <Duggan> no... hold on, let me find that command...[23:27:19] <Perelandra> you mean 'notify'?[23:27:52] <Duggan> not what I was after, but it should work[23:28:04] <Duggan> better than what I was after I mean hehe[23:29:45] <Perelandra> I've have been using notify but it quits after sending the notification message. The server tries to get info from the reply messenger but since notify quits it is no longer valid. I am looking for an app that stay open to test with.[23:30:40] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-089-166-146-133.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Quit: axeld)[23:30:46] <Duggan> I was thinking of 'hey'[23:31:19] <Duggan> why not log the message while it's already in the notification_server?[23:31:22] <Perelandra> I know some packages have a notification after installing.[23:32:11] <jessicah> web+ can send notifications I think[23:32:18] <Duggan> the notification_server has to have the message so it can display it, correct?[23:32:38] <Perelandra> I do make a complete copy of the notification for archiving. But I was tying to get some info on the originating application as well.[23:32:40] <jessicah> like telegram and irccloud should be able to do notifications[23:32:43] <Duggan> a notification doesn't need to persist once it's been recieved by the server[23:33:11] <Duggan> you should be able to get that from the messenger I believe[23:33:27] <Perelandra> Yes Hey might work[23:33:29] <Duggan> maybe it's in the message itself, let me look[23:34:28] <waddlesplash> Perelandra: yes, what jessicah is saying - WebNotifications are implemented I believe[23:35:25] <jessicah> Duggan: hmm, I don't think I'm going to be able to build a 32 bit libgcc.a with the gcc5 package[23:35:42] <jessicah> the build system just won't do it[23:35:45] <waddlesplash> Perelandra: also, yeah, do let me know if you have any questions about my comments. Overall, was very well done code :)[23:36:16] <jessicah> so will always have to use cross tools for x86_64[23:36:47] <Duggan> jessicah I tried installing from my local build... it works... kind of... Deskbar doesn't start automatically[23:37:00] <jessicah> :o[23:37:40] <Duggan> may be related to those errors, but apparently I'm the only one that gets them[23:37:52] <Perelandra> waddlesplash: Thanks, I've been coding to my own guidelines for years so maybe I've got bad habits.[23:38:11] <waddlesplash> Perelandra: Not *so* bad. I've seen much worse. *I* used to be much worse :-D[23:38:12] <Duggan> Perelandra we all have bad habits when left to our own devices :P[23:39:49] <waddlesplash> Perelandra: Having someone new on board is always great, though. Your code looks great, and we're still severely understaffed...[23:40:29] <Perelandra> Plus I learn best by example- looking at other code, so I've probably picked up a smattering of habits everywhere. Plus in the earlier days there weren't really any guidelines.[23:41:10] <waddlesplash> Well, we've had our Coding Guidelines for many a year now :)[23:42:28] <Perelandra> Well I started programming in BeOS in 1999 but have been away for a while.[23:42:35] <Duggan> welcome back :)[23:42:46] <Perelandra> It's good to be back![23:42:57] <Duggan> I just came back after 5 years away myself[23:43:52] * waddlesplash just came back after a superbusy semester at college[23:44:13] <waddlesplash> taking 22 credits leaves ~0 time for Haiku...[23:44:16] <Duggan> yeah, I just finished up my 2nd degree and got a year into my third.... out of money now though :'([23:45:11] <jessicah`> three degrees? :o[23:45:17] <jessicah`> I never even finished my first :p[23:45:34] <Perelandra> Yeah, I had to get 4 certifications for work, all on my own time. I sure don't miss school![23:45:43] <Duggan> first is CS, second is geology, third will be EE[23:46:57] <KapiX> what is our policy on TEST()?[23:47:06] <Perelandra> Duggan: Hmm, you'de be a good candidate for the Mars rover team![23:47:09] <waddlesplash> KapiX: what options are there?[23:47:11] <KapiX> in yaml_cpp the additional option needed makes build a lot longer[23:47:17] <waddlesplash> oh[23:47:31] <waddlesplash> is it incremental?[23:47:34] <waddlesplash> or does it change flags or smth[23:48:03] <KapiX> ? I don't understand[23:48:31] *** xcub <xcub!49f737d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.247.55.209> has joined #haiku[23:48:35] <KapiX> I think I could build it again in TEST()[23:48:42] <KapiX> with this additional option[23:48:58] <KapiX> it may pick up that the lib is already built and build just the tests[23:50:50] <waddlesplash> yeah, that'd be the best option[23:50:53] <jessicah`> KapiX: seems like the latter is the best way to go[23:52:31] <Duggan> Perelandra yes, maybe one day :)[23:53:17] <Duggan> I've got one invention I need the collateral to work on that would be imminently important to them[23:53:39] <Duggan> until then, I'm just sitting on it :P[23:53:42] *** xcub <xcub!49f737d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.247.55.209> has left #haiku[23:56:26] *** knarf <knarf!~knarf@143.252.82.79.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)