January 4, 2017 
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January 4, 2017 [00:01:07] *** Emrys <Emrys!~emrys@92.87.13.132> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:01:49] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[00:03:15] <Vidrep> Hi[00:03:57] *** pdziepak <pdziepak!~pdziepak@188.172.154.225> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:04:32] <_Dario> Hello Vidrep[00:07:12] <Vidrep> Hi _Dario[00:07:49] <_Dario> how are you ?[00:08:24] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, I'm looking forward to reading that "Haiku Monthly Activity Report - December 2016" :p[00:08:24] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@81-225-60-243-no168.bredband.skanova.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:08:44] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@81-225-60-243-no168.bredband.skanova.com> has joined #haiku[00:08:51] <Vidrep> Good _Dario! How was your Christmas and New Year?[00:10:10] <_Dario> new year was fine, I was at home, with my girlfriend and my cat[00:10:10] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@81-225-60-243-no168.bredband.skanova.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:10:26] <Vidrep> Two pussies[00:10:41] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@81-225-60-243-no168.bredband.skanova.com> has joined #haiku[00:10:43] <_Dario> lol[00:11:08] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@81-225-60-243-no168.bredband.skanova.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:11:26] <_Dario> drinking and playing with Haiku[00:11:41] <_Dario> and you ?[00:11:43] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@81-225-60-243-no168.bredband.skanova.com> has joined #haiku[00:11:52] <Vidrep> Do you have a CD/DVD burner? Have you tried our rewrite of BurnItNow yet?[00:11:53] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@81-225-60-243-no168.bredband.skanova.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:12:08] <_Dario> yes, I have[00:12:11] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@81-225-60-243-no168.bredband.skanova.com> has joined #haiku[00:12:16] <Vidrep> Good, bad, ugly?[00:12:48] <_Dario> I guess it is good[00:12:48] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@81-225-60-243-no168.bredband.skanova.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:13:12] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@81-225-60-243-no168.bredband.skanova.com> has joined #haiku[00:13:12] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@81-225-60-243-no168.bredband.skanova.com> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:13:24] <Vidrep> Please, if you see any issues, report them to the GitHub page. OK?[00:13:33] <_Dario> I have a DVD Burner at the laptop, and a BluRay burner at the big one[00:13:47] <_Dario> a Pioneer one[00:14:02] <_Dario> I will try to test it[00:14:10] <Vidrep> https://github.com/HaikuArchives/BurnItNow[00:14:30] <_Dario> excelent[00:15:03] <Vidrep> I tested with 3 Pioneer IDE DVD drives and 1 Pioneer SATA Blu-ray drive[00:16:55] <Vidrep> ...and a bunch of others from Toshiba, LG, Samsung, Philips, ASUS, HP and Liteon[00:17:52] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[00:18:46] <Vidrep> We would welcome a Spanish translation. Hint, hint :)[00:19:03] <_Dario> :-)[00:19:23] <_Dario> I get the hidden message[00:26:00] <Vidrep> I was just having a look at Vision IRC client. It could use a little polishing insofar as the Preferences window[00:28:05] <AlienSoldier> Vidrep does PulkoMandy know about the mp3 problem with MP, i am never sure if he read all IRC log.[00:29:26] <AlienSoldier> ... and some video also[00:30:12] <Vidrep> Not sure.[00:43:50] *** postmen <postmen!~tonio@p5B150051.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[00:44:59] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-46-77-152-230.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:47:15] *** tojoko <tojoko!~tonio@p5B150348.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[00:47:34] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[00:51:59] <mmu_man> btw, https://www.fosdem.org/2017/stands/ :)[00:52:36] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[00:53:35] <Vidrep> AlienSoldier, I'm not sure if PulkoMandy is aware of the issue or not[00:54:10] <Vidrep> Since I'm finished with BurnItNow, I'll be reviewing my open tickets to see if any can be closed[00:54:35] <Vidrep> "Only" 80 open tickets to review on trac[00:55:43] <Vidrep> I was able to play DVD VOB files OK with MediaPlayer last night.[00:56:42] <jalopeura> How can I make vision automatically identify a registered nick?[00:57:40] <jalopeura> The client I used to use (on Windows) had that capability.[00:58:40] <Vidrep> Server->setup[00:59:11] <Vidrep> Network setup->preferred nicks[01:00:40] <IIsi50MHz> and then set autoexec commands?[01:01:43] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-46-77-152-230.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #haiku[01:01:46] <IIsi50MHz> Because "Preferred nicks" doesn't include identifying with nickserv[01:02:42] <jalopeura> That leaves my password in plaintext under autoexec. Which I guess isn't too bad, because I'm the only one who uses this computer.[01:04:32] <jalopeura> But it just feels wrong.[01:04:57] <Vidrep> AlienSoldier, do your MP3 files play at all?[01:05:02] <IIsi50MHz> Understandable[01:05:22] *** jalopeura <jalopeura!~vision@47-34-243-180.dhcp.rvsd.ca.charter.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[01:05:26] <AlienSoldier> Vidrep some do soem don't[01:06:46] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[01:07:12] <IIsi50MHz> jalopeura: Qaussel is available. Also Felix, but I haven't tried them.[01:09:29] <AlienSoldier> Vidrep i assume the problem i have with some video not playing with sound to be related to the mp3 file problem.[01:10:49] <Vidrep> AlienSoldier, of course video files also have an audio component (mp3, ac3 etc)[01:11:30] <Vidrep> I have one mp3 which is about 3 minutes in length, but MP plays it in 5 seconds[01:11:53] <Vidrep> I know Haiku is fast and all...:p[01:12:44] <AlienSoldier> Vidrep probably the same problem as i have, in the info windows it does not report he right type (modplug demuxer raw audio while it is an mp3 file)[01:13:53] <Vidrep> We'll just have to wait. All the devs are multitasking, especially with GCI on-going[01:21:02] *** _Dario <_Dario!~yaaic@181.104.12.155> has quit IRC (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org)[01:21:49] *** Quadra50MHz <Quadra50MHz!~quassel@107.188.207.190> has joined #haiku[01:22:41] * Quadra50MHz tries Quassel for the first time[01:23:30] <Quadra50MHz> Heh, the resizable areas follow the Windows philosophy "Let's show lots of information areas, but way too small to make their contents useful until resized."[01:24:38] <Quadra50MHz> Or not. It's just two columns to resize. Needs more columns and boxes to be like Windows. (:[01:25:34] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!~dario@181.47.131.175> has joined #haiku[01:31:36] <Quadra50MHz> Ok, yeah. jalo could have used this, since it seems to properly obscure saved passwords.[01:31:51] <Quadra50MHz> I missed the /quit, though. |-:[01:35:03] <jessicah> you can set it up when configuring the network[01:35:11] <Vidrep> Strange thing happened. I was just playing an audio CD, then the speaker went "pop" and all audio was lost. Looking at the syslog: KERN: hda: no active codec; KERN: hda: ERROR: No such device(-2147454969)[01:35:25] <jessicah> but Vision doesn't support SSL as far as I understand, so no matter what you do, it's always going to be sent in plaintext[01:37:17] <Vidrep> Medai Preferences now says "Audio output: none" "audio mixer Master output not connected". WTF?[01:37:44] <Quadra50MHz> Yep[01:38:15] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[01:41:20] <Quadra50MHz> O, interesting. If I feed the 3.5 mm lineout from one computer into the RCA input of the speakers on another computer, I can listen to the interrupts.[01:41:58] <Quadra50MHz> Much like by gran's old Compaq Presario 4505 (166 MHz) using just its own speakers.[01:43:39] <Quadra50MHz> I can hear a...kind of 'heartbeat' steady pulse, plus different faint sounds for other things like mouse move.[01:49:09] *** Quadra50MHz <Quadra50MHz!~quassel@107.188.207.190> has quit IRC (Quit: Putting the [quaffle | Quassel] away.)[01:58:28] <jessicah> IIsi50MHz: haha :p[01:58:56] <jessicah> I use digital audio nowadays; it doesn't seem to have the problems of line noise[01:59:06] <jessicah> used to drive me crazy back in the day[02:07:59] <postmen> hi jessicah[02:08:21] <postmen> how are u doin'?[02:10:22] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Macabre?)[02:11:12] <postmen> sorry, didn't remember it ain't wendsday yet.[02:13:23] *** Guma <Guma!~quassel@2601:249:301:6a33:dcab:fdd6:71c:90be> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:13:36] *** Guma <Guma!~quassel@2601:249:301:6a33:dcab:fdd6:71c:90be> has joined #haiku[02:14:42] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[02:15:10] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[02:15:19] <postmen> hi Vidrep[02:16:10] <Vidrep> Hi postmen[02:16:18] <Vidrep> Haven't seen you in a while[02:17:28] <postmen> year, well, was a) busy and then b) did a lot of offline work. so the garden is half cleaned. now we'll have snow. the rest i guess i will do at the end of fevrier.[02:17:40] <jessicah> it is wednesday[02:17:44] <postmen> it already took me almost a week to clean it up that far.[02:18:13] <postmen> jessicah, oh, you're right - it already is. and you're from europe and not from the states, like i guessed?[02:18:29] <jessicah> neither[02:18:31] <jessicah> new zealand[02:19:01] <postmen> uhh, i think you mentioned bevore. that's quite a distance. no chance to meet for a coffee. ^^[02:19:34] <jessicah> nop :p[02:19:40] <jessicah> would be one expensive coffee, haha[02:20:04] <postmen> well, you don't go to begeistert either, i guess?[02:21:41] *** raefaldhia <raefaldhia!7660ef3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.118.96.239.61> has joined #haiku[02:31:24] <jessicah> no, too far away[02:31:32] <jessicah> I don't have the money to afford a trip to BG[02:34:03] <Vidrep> Looking in trac I'm seeing a lot of still-open tickets for Intel 82801GB/GR (ICH7 Family) chipsets. Mine is working AOK.[02:34:48] <Vidrep> Maybe time to review these and close some of them.[02:38:30] *** postmen <postmen!~tonio@p5B150051.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[02:41:52] <Vidrep> Same with Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller - lots of open tickets. Working fine here.[02:42:26] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[02:43:47] *** p <p!44834d22@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.131.77.34> has joined #haiku[02:44:10] *** p is now known as Guest69304[02:44:34] <jessicah> well I still have pathetic speeds with some of the ethernet adapters[02:44:44] <jessicah> but I don't know what the cause is[02:46:28] <Vidrep> jessicah, what kind of sppeds are we talking about?[02:46:32] <Vidrep> speeds[02:47:21] <jessicah> like maxing out around 200KB/s[02:47:34] <jessicah> haiku in a VM can easily hit 2-4MB/s[02:47:41] <jessicah> downloading from same sites[02:49:15] <Vidrep> I tried this site to test mine: http://beta.speedtest.net/[02:49:47] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-102-27-241.ks.ok.cox.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[02:50:04] <Vidrep> Download 8.34Mbps Upload 3.62Mbps[02:50:06] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@172.56.7.27> has joined #haiku[02:52:42] <jessicah> in VM, download 12.26Mbps, upload 21.01Mbps... fascinating download is slower[02:53:07] <jessicah> on my windows desktop, download 105.29Mbps, upload 21.24Mbps[02:53:15] <jessicah> need to find my charger for my airbook...[02:57:57] <jessicah> apart from a teensy burst at the very beginning ~60Mbps, dropped to around 0.5Mbps for remainder of download[02:58:10] <jessicah> with the occasional flick up to about 2Mbps for fraction of a second[02:58:20] <jessicah> upload, however, 16.65Mbps[02:58:31] <jessicah> really, really bizarre[02:58:52] <jessicah> download was an average of 3Mbps, but real usage around 0.5[02:59:18] <jessicah> so yes, still some serious issues in either the ethernet drivers, or perhaps in the freebsd compatibility layer, I dunno[03:00:16] <jessicah> the disparity between upload & download is fascinating too[03:00:41] *** rtcoder <rtcoder!~rohan@c-24-4-179-69.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[03:01:42] <Vidrep> I think we have other driver issues as well[03:01:49] <Guest69304> sorry for interrupting , how to coppy a file to system folders , that write protected ?[03:02:04] <jessicah> Guest69304: you don't[03:02:09] <jessicah> we have non-packaged for this[03:02:22] <jessicah> so you place into the same relative location under non-packaged[03:02:33] <jessicah> e.g. /boot/system/non-packaged and /boot/home/config/non-packaged[03:02:54] <jessicah> so if you wanted to put something in /boot/system/bin, you'd put it in /boot/system/non-packaged/bin instead[03:03:05] <jessicah> you may have to create some of these directories if they don't exist[03:03:29] <Vidrep> jessicah, I still don't understand why we have two sets of non-packaged folders[03:03:43] <jessicah> it would be kind of nice if, when trying to copy with Tracker, if it asked you to copy/move to non-packaged for you instead...[03:03:52] <Vidrep> Was this for future multiuser?[03:03:54] <jessicah> because there are two sets of packaged folders[03:04:01] <jessicah> quite likely, yes[03:04:09] <Guest69304> thak you for help jessicah[03:04:44] <jessicah> Vidrep: you have /boot/home/config/packages, and their directories show up under /boot/home/config as well[03:04:56] <jessicah> so you have a mirror under /boot/home/config/non-packaged[03:05:38] <jessicah> I still think there's a problem with how the settings dir is determined with packages though[03:06:23] <Vidrep> How about /boot/system/non-packaged?[03:06:37] <jessicah> that's the mirror for packages installed in /boot/system[03:06:58] <jessicah> I don't see how it's confusing[03:07:13] <jessicah> I never dump packages in ~/config/packages myself[03:07:44] <jessicah> you have /boot/system/bin, /boot/system/non-packaged/bin, /boot/home/config/bin, /boot/home/config/non-packaged/bin[03:07:49] <jessicah> etc.[03:07:54] <jessicah> each is a mirror of the other[03:08:35] <Vidrep> Mostly for old BeOS apps in pkg format[03:09:13] <jessicah> eh, I symlink haikuporter to ~/config/non-packaged/bin/haikuporter[03:10:22] <Vidrep> "symlink" - wasn't that the passwork to access Scot Hacker's BeOS Bible website?[03:10:28] <Vidrep> password[03:10:41] <Not-8398> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/abb2cbef5cc4...1dcb5b056707[03:10:43] <Not-8398> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson 1dcb5b0 - dvdauthor: bump to 0.7.2.[03:15:18] <jessicah> no idea[03:15:30] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@172.56.7.27> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[03:15:42] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-102-27-241.ks.ok.cox.net> has joined #haiku[03:18:34] <Stephanie> Need a bit of help here...[03:18:45] <Vidrep> Dinner time[03:18:51] <Stephanie> I'm trying to run HoiPolloi on haiku (yab file), but I can't figure out how[03:18:55] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[03:35:47] <rtcoder> Is it possible to make Haiku in Virtualbox fullscreen? Normally when I am doing this for my Linux VMs I instsall Virtualbox Guest Additions but I read somewhere in Haiku docs that this is not supported or something along those lines[03:35:53] <rtcoder> Adjusting resolution from within Haiku does not work[03:41:45] <Stephanie> rtcoder the closest to fullscreen I can get my vm to is running on scaled mode, maximizing the screen, and getting used to the stretched view XD[03:41:59] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-10-112.nationalcablenetworks.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[03:42:28] *** Guest69304 <Guest69304!44834d22@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.131.77.34> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[03:51:14] <jessicah> rtcoder: you can set a custom vesa resolution for the VM itself using the setextradata command[03:51:34] <rtcoder> jessicah: I am trying to do that just now but I do not know what the third number is in the resolution[03:52:32] <jessicah> VBoxManage setextradata vmname "CustomVideoMode1" "1144x696x16"[03:52:35] <jessicah> third is bit depth[03:52:43] <jessicah> 32 usually works fine here[03:55:25] *** rod <rod!474d8f3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.77.143.61> has joined #haiku[03:56:13] <rod> hello[03:56:55] *** rod <rod!474d8f3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.77.143.61> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[03:57:05] <FreeFull> Make sure to replace the vmname with the actual name of the VM[03:58:58] <rtcoder> FreeFull: By name of VM you mean what name shows up in the Virtualbox VM graphic manager?[03:59:14] <rtcoder> jessicah: It didn't work, I used "1920x1080x32"[03:59:31] <jessicah> perhaps use 24 instead[03:59:55] <rtcoder> jessicah: Do I wrap the vmname in quotes or not[04:00:11] <rtcoder> Or it shouldn't matter as long as there is no spaces[04:01:44] <jessicah> doesn't matter if there are no spaces[04:01:49] <rtcoder> jessicah, FreeFull: do I have to switch somehow to "CustomVideoMode1"[04:02:03] *** scottmc <scottmc!~scottmc@c-67-174-194-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[04:02:07] <jessicah> in the Screen preflet, it should be listed as an additional video mode[04:04:27] *** raefaldhia <raefaldhia!7660ef3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.118.96.239.61> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[04:04:43] <rtcoder> I see[04:04:48] <rtcoder> I didn't realize I had to switch to it[04:05:15] *** AndrewZ <AndrewZ!4a4b0cb6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.75.12.182> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[04:05:37] <jessicah> yes, it's not automatic[04:06:13] <FreeFull> Yeah, it's just an extra video mode you get[04:08:28] <Not-8398> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/1dcb5b056707...37a5e39f9ed7[04:08:30] <Not-8398> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson 37a5e39 - 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I thought at least the original versions were stripped down versions of the DRM drivers... I know our mesa implementation is a stripped down softpipe (and an old one at that)[07:09:52] <PulkoMandy> depends which Mesa you talk about[07:10:07] <Duggan> how many mesas are there?[07:10:10] <PulkoMandy> gcc2 uses Mesa 7.x which is the latest that would build there. As far as I know it is not stripped down[07:10:34] <jessicah> hey Duggan[07:10:36] <PulkoMandy> gcc5 uses a mostly up to date Mesa 10.x, with two renderers, one using the old software path, and one using llvm softpipe[07:10:51] <jessicah> hmm, we definitely have some serious problems with some of our ethernet drivers :([07:11:03] <PulkoMandy> it should get a 3rd renderer using DRI/DRM or a similar thing based on our accelerants/drivers[07:11:06] <Duggan> :/ I thought whoever it was that implemented it (sorry I should know but I forgot) took the mesa repo, hacked the softpipe out of it and shoehorned it into Haiku and it's stayed more or less unchanged since.... but that's just what I thought happened[07:11:12] <Duggan> hey jessicah :)[07:11:21] <jessicah> kallisti5 worked on mesa[07:11:24] <PulkoMandy> kallisti5 did a lot of cleanup[07:11:42] <PulkoMandy> Mesa is not in the tree anymore, the Mesa 7 is hosted in our github, and the Mesa 10 is upstream[07:11:49] <Duggan> PulkoMandy as I see it, DRI = accelerant (more or less) and DRM = driver[07:12:00] <jessicah> and the intel_extreme driver was a rewrite started by mmlr, and continued by kallisti5[07:12:12] <Duggan> PulkoMandy upstream in the mesa repo?[07:12:15] <PulkoMandy> yes[07:12:19] <Duggan> nice :D[07:13:03] <Duggan> I still can't figure the source tree out for mesa :/ it just looks like it's all wrong[07:13:17] <jessicah> gah, where is my working usb install of haiku? need to reinstall...[07:13:45] *** Gareth[m] <Gareth[m]!garethmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-abpfiddbldyqarwl> has joined #haiku[07:13:58] <jessicah> Duggan: I was trying to work on fixing our 64-bit gcc package, but ran out of disk space =/[07:14:09] <Duggan> having given some real thought to the multi-head problem... I may be mistaken but I think the largest complexity lies in updating all the interface apps and whatnot... not so much in actually implementing multi-head support... that's just a guess though[07:14:13] <jessicah> also need to fix binutils as well[07:14:15] * jessicah sighs[07:14:19] <Duggan> and without looking at the actual code that would be involved (yet)[07:14:50] <Duggan> jessicah how much space did you have?[07:14:57] <jessicah> doesn't app_server support like multiple BScreen instances?[07:15:01] <jessicah> 5GB[07:15:06] <Duggan> that's why :P[07:15:10] <jessicah> yes :p[07:15:25] <Duggan> I'm on 100 gigs and I have two test partitions of about 12 gigs each :D[07:15:57] <jessicah> :)[07:16:05] <jessicah> my desktop has 3 SSDs[07:16:07] <Duggan> I'm a power user ;)[07:16:19] <Duggan> then why dedicate so little to Haiku development? :P[07:16:19] <jessicah> so I have a lot more space available to use[07:16:27] <jessicah> but not so on my airbook[07:16:41] <jessicah> need to go back to running Haiku on my desktop...[07:16:49] <Duggan> everyone does :D[07:17:03] <jessicah> :D[07:17:24] <jessicah> but Haiku doesn't have multihead support for intel_extreme ;([07:17:29] <Duggan> and I need some help with Drafter.. I've realised Drafter is a lot more than just what I was working on... I've adopted the phrase "it's a project, not a product" :P[07:17:36] <Duggan> jessicah yet ;)[07:17:43] <Duggan> with YOUR help, it will ;)[07:17:49] <jessicah> I want to use both screens on Haiku[07:17:51] <Duggan> (and the help of many others no doubt ;) )[07:18:00] <jessicah> my gorgeous Dell monitors, to have one not working, just sucks[07:18:08] <jessicah> Duggan: sure, I'm willing to help :)[07:18:18] <Duggan> jessicah I believe the kernel loads all the drivers for the detected hardware by default[07:18:27] <Duggan> (I need to look at the code to make sure though)[07:18:41] <Duggan> if that's the case, then most of the issues lie in userland support[07:18:41] <jessicah> it's not a problem with loading drivers[07:18:47] <Duggan> exactly[07:18:58] <jessicah> it's a problem with implementing multihead support[07:19:00] <jessicah> :p[07:19:30] <Duggan> therefore, it's not a problem implementing multi-head support.... the problem is in all the tedium... updating the workspaces preflet, updating the screep applet, updating how tracker behaves, the mouse, etc, etc, etc...[07:20:02] <jessicah> eh, it's a problem between driver, accelerant, and app_server at this stage, isn't it?[07:20:22] <Duggan> I mean, yeah, it will take work to get multihead support to work, but it will take a lot MORE work to make the system robust enough to support it effectively[07:20:24] <jessicah> all that other stuff is pretty irrelevant for right now[07:20:49] <Duggan> more app_server than anything as I recall[07:21:26] <jessicah> well, technically, it can have multiple BScreens... so there seems to be *some* infrastructure for it, but yeah, probably needs extending or reworking[07:22:37] <Duggan> I did some research and thinking yesterday and I think I've got a preliminary plan of action figured out, and, luckily for you, it involves more or less implementing multi-head support first.... well, alongside or right after porting the DRM drivers :P[07:23:26] <Duggan> it would be better to move to using the DRM drivers so we don't have to rewrite code to support multiple heads[07:24:51] <Duggan> DRM and multihead support first, then updating all the UI stuff to support it...[07:25:32] <Duggan> as I understand it, the drawing code is not really consolidated... if we can move it into one place (or actually two, one for userspace, one for the kernel (KDL)) then that would almost certainly make things easier later[07:26:11] <jessicah> does the likes of freebsd use the linux DRM drivers too?[07:26:22] <jessicah> or are these not linux drivers?[07:26:28] <Duggan> DRM drivers are not a Linux thing[07:26:37] <Duggan> yes, freebsd uses them :)[07:26:50] <jessicah> oh, this is in mesa?[07:26:52] <AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy saw my comment on some file not giving sound in Mediaplayer after the ffmepeg update? Let me know if you need any sample[07:27:37] <Duggan> unfortunately, DRM/DRI/Mesa/Gallium/X11/etc/etc/etc seem to all be pretty tightly coupled, and unfortunately the lines seem awful blurry as to where one stops and the other starts in some cases[07:29:42] <Duggan> pages like this are very troubling to me: https://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/DriWithoutX/[07:29:59] <Duggan> AlienSoldier you mean that's a known issue!? YAY!!!! :D[07:30:51] <PulkoMandy> AlienSoldier: IRC doesn't work for bugreports, use the Trac and attach sample files please[07:31:19] <PulkoMandy> I will be adding the files to a test suite so we can make sure there are no regressions next time there is an update as I'm getting bored of this[07:31:27] <AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy ok, was just not sure it required a track as i am pretty sure everybody ran into this[07:31:37] <PulkoMandy> (also, I found some files that play with playfile but not MediaPlayer)[07:31:49] <PulkoMandy> AlienSoldier: most of the standard files I tested (mp3, ogg) worked ok[07:31:57] <PulkoMandy> otherwise I wouldn't have updated the things[07:32:08] <AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy some mp3 work, some dont[07:32:15] <PulkoMandy> found some problems with AIFF however, but no one uses that, right? :D[07:32:22] <PulkoMandy> AlienSoldier: so then, bugreport with sample files[07:32:22] <Duggan> jessicah: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Linux_Graphics_Stack_2013.svg#/media/File:Linux_Graphics_Stack_2013.svg[07:32:37] <AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy will do that tommorow thanx[07:32:42] <PulkoMandy> "everyone must have seen that bug"… yes, but everyone thought so and no one opens a bug report[07:33:15] *** rtcoder <rtcoder!~rohan@c-24-4-179-69.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[07:34:22] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: at least for the radeon_hd and intel driver, our existing ones should have mostly everything in place for multi head[07:34:30] <Duggan> jessicah: the way I see it, DRM = drivers, DRI/libGL/libDRM/etc = accelerants, and Display Server = app_server which I was modifying with an entire new system (in addition to, not in place of the app_server) I call Drafter[07:34:36] <PulkoMandy> they just need an API to expose that to the accelerants and then app_server[07:34:53] <PulkoMandy> and now I have to run to work :/[07:35:02] <Duggan> talk care PulkoMandy, thanks![07:35:06] <Duggan> take*[07:35:35] <Duggan> PulkoMandy everything in place for multihead support, but not for HW accel, which to me is the ultimate goal[07:36:11] <Duggan> DRM will still have to be ported I think so I think the effort would be better spent 1: porting DRM and 2: modifying the existing system to support multihead on DRM...[07:36:14] <AlienSoldier> run Forest![07:37:31] <Duggan> with minimal effort, I'd like to think we can modify our existing accelerants to interface with the DRM drivers once they're ported[07:37:41] <Duggan> just a guess[07:40:25] * Duggan thinks he scared everybody off...[07:41:07] <jessicah> Duggan: yeah, that graph is a mess[07:41:24] <Duggan> yes and no...[07:41:43] <Duggan> it makes sense when you think about the required optimisations... well, some of them...[07:42:20] <jessicah> eh, at this stage, I'd rather focus solely on multi-head support, and making that work correctly[07:43:25] <jessicah> porting DRM, and hw-acceleration is a much bigger project[07:43:34] <Duggan> I'll get started on that after DRM's been ported :P[07:43:37] <jessicah> think it would be nicer to bear some fruit from the work first[07:44:12] <jessicah> and that way get to ensure understand the driver <=> accelerant <=> app_server interactions very clearly[07:44:23] <Duggan> I think it'd be able to self-host the x86-64 environment first myself :P[07:44:26] <Duggan> lol[07:44:32] <jessicah> and how to introduce DRM in a clean fashion[07:44:40] <jessicah> Duggan: I'm working on that, slowly...[07:44:51] <Duggan> the kernel side drivers more or less = DRM[07:45:48] <Duggan> and like I said, consolidating all the drawing code to one place (library perhaps) because it seems to me to be spread all over the place to be honest... maybe i just haven't found where it actually resides[07:46:22] <Duggan> there's mesa, and there's also.... what was that library the app_server uses...[07:48:15] *** jessicah` <jessicah`!~jessicat@unaffiliated/jessicah> has joined #haiku[07:48:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jessicah`[07:48:38] <Duggan> in a nutshell, what happens is graphics calls are cached and processed in batches by being converted into an intermediate code which is passed to the accelerants (DRI) which takes this intermediate code and converts it into code specific to the hardware it's supporting, puts that into the ringbuffer for DRM to pull, and that's the pipe from app to hw....... as I understand it[07:48:45] <Duggan> wb[07:50:00] <Duggan> that's for hw accel... otherwise, there's always the framebuffer :P[07:51:17] <Duggan> that's how DRI can support so many libraries, because it breaks all the graphics functions down into basic components represented by an arbitrary intermediate code, then converted to something specific to hw[07:51:53] <jessicah`> thanks, in one of my many Haiku installs atm...[07:52:15] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-183-103-194.toya.net.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[07:52:18] <Duggan> sounds inefficient but when you consider that involves passing matrices or texture data and the like, the hw is doing all the hard work[07:52:18] <Duggan> np[07:52:37] <jessicah`> I seem to have a 34GB partition on my samsung SSD, currently x86_gcc2 I could reuse for x86_64[07:52:40] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[07:56:19] <jessicah`> brr, it's so cold[07:56:26] <jessicah`> turning out to be the summer that never was[07:57:58] <jessicah`> 9.9C, feels like 6C....[07:58:00] <jessicah`> holy god[07:58:13] <Duggan> hehe[07:59:12] <Duggan> of course if I'm wrong in my understanding about any of this and someone call tell me so, please do... this is all based on what I remember of the research I did 5 years ago plus what I was able to refresh my memory on in one night :P[08:00:55] <Duggan> either way I think it would be most beneficial in all cases to replace our drivers with the DRM drivers before we do anything else[08:01:51] <Duggan> including multihead... it'll just be more we have to go back and change later, plus the code is already implemented for it in DRM[08:05:10] <jessicah`> perhaps[08:06:48] <jessicah> Duggan: app_server uses agg[08:06:54] <jessicah> you want to look at Painter[08:07:03] <Duggan> that's probably what I was thinking of[08:07:35] <jessicah> https://github.com/haiku/haiku/tree/master/src/servers/app/drawing/Painter[08:08:03] <Duggan> I wish I had a paint program :P I'd like to modify that image to better clarify how I think things relate and how I think things would best progress[08:08:27] *** jessicah` <jessicah`!~jessicat@unaffiliated/jessicah> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[08:10:30] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d855bc3.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[08:10:40] <Duggan> hey humdinger[08:10:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[08:11:13] <humdinger> hullo Duggan[08:12:55] <jessicah> gah[08:13:04] <jessicah> updated my haiku install, and doesn't boot[08:13:43] <Duggan> getting better all the time :/[08:14:20] *** rtcoder <rtcoder!~rohan@c-24-4-179-69.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[08:14:24] <Duggan> not knocking on you, just saying those sorts of things happen when I'm around :P[08:14:25] <jessicah> I think there was a period where upgrading didn't work, had to do in two stages...[08:16:09] <Duggan> isn't there a page that lists the various forks of Haiku?[08:17:02] <humdinger> there are forks?[08:17:18] <Duggan> well, branches I guess[08:17:44] <Duggan> whatever, I've been away from the OSS world for 5 years, cut me some slack :P[08:18:00] <humdinger> like https://github.com/haiku/haiku/network ?[08:18:23] <humdinger> rather https://github.com/haiku/haiku/network/members[08:20:05] <Duggan> maybe that's the new version of it... I thought there was some page, maybe on haikuports that had some semi-official branches for specific large projects[08:21:51] <humdinger> there are a few personal forks that are connected to the haiku-commits mailing list. But I dunno where those are managed[08:22:10] <humdinger> people can ask for being included there.[08:22:29] <humdinger> mostly done for contract workers and maybe GSoC(?)[08:22:56] <Duggan> there was one for gallium for instance, back when there was all that hooplah about it[08:23:39] <Duggan> but there were others too, and I remember seeing a page that listed them and linked to their repos, I just can't remember even what site it was on[08:24:20] <Duggan> it was like a single trac page that had them all as projects[08:24:28] <humdinger> but you're sure you saw.... /something/ :)[08:24:29] <Duggan> but whatever... it probably doesn't even exist anymore[08:24:51] <Duggan> yes.... /something/ :P[08:27:41] <Duggan> oh well, no biggie... was just curious[08:27:43] *** petrichorx <petrichorx!uid147077@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wlscacolchsaikbf> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[08:31:36] <jessicah> maybe somewhere in the wiki on dev.haiku-os.org[08:33:42] <Duggan> I think it was in the SVN days, so it probably doesn't exist anymore[08:34:01] <jessicah> ah[08:34:04] <Duggan> there's not really any "semi-official" branches that I'm aware of...[08:34:06] <jessicah> that must be a long time ago[08:34:26] <jessicah> downloading haiku nightly with 200KB/s download speed is terrible ;([08:34:39] <jessicah> 3 minutes to go...[08:34:49] <jessicah> then I can boot my main x86_gcc2 system again[08:34:55] <Duggan> but it would make sense to have them so multiple people can work on a single large project... maybe that's what the haiku network thing was about that humdinger showed me[08:35:01] <jessicah> and hopefully install x86_64 onto this freed up partition[08:35:22] <jessicah> you can fork repo on github, and add contributors to it if you wish[08:35:30] <jessicah> so others can commit directly to your fork[08:35:34] <Duggan> ah ok[08:35:46] <Duggan> nice... yeah, that's probably replaced what I remember seeing before[08:36:00] <jessicah> the network graph just shows forks on github[08:36:06] <Duggan> it was a bit more.... involved.... to create a side project like that before[08:37:32] <jessicah> and you can ask to get your haiku fork on github added to commits list[08:37:42] <jessicah> so commits to your fork show up in the commits list[08:39:36] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@ip-109-45-1-16.web.vodafone.de> has joined #haiku[08:39:36] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[08:39:47] <Duggan> can't you merge your history later once everything's been tested?[08:39:50] <Duggan> hey stippi[08:41:13] <stippi> hey Duggan, everyone[08:41:29] <Duggan> did we ever figure out if the image on Tracker is a leaf or a feather? :P[08:41:33] <humdinger> oh, he talks! :)[08:41:37] <humdinger> happy new year, stippi![08:41:43] <Duggan> humdinger, only because I said hi ;)[08:42:01] <humdinger> Duggan: that's your animal magnetism[08:42:09] <Duggan> you have no idea...[08:43:46] * Duggan listens to the crickets chirp.... good thing crickets are animals too...[08:44:12] * humdinger only hears the storm blowing.[08:44:23] <jessicah> it's a leaf...[08:44:30] <jessicah> just a very interestingly coloured leaf[08:44:32] <Duggan> are you suuuuuuure? ;)[08:44:53] <jessicah> yes :p[08:45:30] <Duggan> ok, I'll act like I believe you :P[08:48:13] <stippi> humdinger: Happy new year to you, too![08:48:46] <stippi> humdinger: I often don't have the sound connected, so I don't hear when someone mentions my nick if the window is in the BG.[08:49:23] <humdinger> yeah. nice you keep popping in now and then though.[08:50:21] <jessicah> hah, I ran into the failed to start launch_daemon issue you ran into[08:50:30] <jessicah> when I just copied packages over, instead of installing[08:50:31] <jessicah> weird[08:50:44] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[08:52:15] <Duggan> yay :)[08:52:20] <Duggan> you're talking to me, right?[08:54:19] *** jessicah` <jessicah`!~jessicat@unaffiliated/jessicah> has joined #haiku[08:54:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jessicah`[08:54:43] <Duggan> wb[08:54:44] <jessicah> yes[08:54:49] <jessicah> :p[08:55:06] <Duggan> so I'm not a *complete* idiot[08:55:45] <jessicah`> no :)[08:55:50] <jessicah`> but it's bizarre that it happens[08:56:42] <jessicah`> 17 minutes to go to download haiku nightly x86_64...[08:56:45] <Duggan> like I said, the installer doesn't just copy files... I don't remember everything it *does* do, but it's more than just copying..... and makebootable[08:56:47] <jessicah`> stupid networking[08:57:08] <Duggan> hey you're the super awesome dev person, optimise the damn drivers :P[08:57:26] <Duggan> and while you're at it, make it so it actually saves my connection settings and automatically reconnects :P[08:57:29] <Duggan> (wifi)[08:58:04] <jessicah`> :p[09:00:04] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d855bc3.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[09:01:01] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[09:07:20] <jessicah`> can archived BMessages on 32-bit be opened with 64-bit?[09:07:32] <jessicah`> it would be nice to transfer settings across...[09:07:47] <geist> good question. i'd hope so, or that's a serious design flaw[09:07:49] <jessicah`> guess I'll find out with Vision...[09:11:59] <Duggan> ah if only I'd finished my native messaging API extentions ;)[09:12:40] *** knarf <knarf!~knarf@81-64-93-195.rev.numericable.fr> has joined #haiku[09:13:46] <jessicah`> your what?[09:13:53] <Duggan> native MAPI[09:14:07] <jessicah`> what was that?[09:14:48] <Duggan> since we already have a messaging system it wouldn't be that far removed to be able to send them over a network, then add some extentions to the OS for distributed computing and maybe even strip down the OS to operate as a node on a cluster... would make for a bloody awesome cluster[09:15:10] <Duggan> MAPI = messaging API, MAPI itself is standardized which is why I precluded it with "native"[09:15:19] <Duggan> it's used in distributed computing[09:15:30] <jessicah`> oh ok[09:15:43] <jessicah`> gah, download in web+ halted.. didn't even notice[09:15:46] * jessicah` uses wget this time[09:18:01] <Duggan> it's the protocol by which information is transmitted over a cluster more or less[09:20:45] <Duggan> ugh, ok, not technically protocol, but you know what I mean...[09:26:07] <jessicah`> mm :)[09:26:56] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #haiku[09:34:25] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has joined #haiku[09:36:52] *** jessicah` <jessicah`!~jessicat@unaffiliated/jessicah> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[09:39:18] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[09:41:37] *** jessicah` <jessicah`!~jessicat@unaffiliated/jessicah> has joined #haiku[09:41:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jessicah`[10:02:58] <Duggan> well I haven't slept much for some days and probably won't tonight either, so I guess I'm going to go try to do that... I imagine I'll be back sometime tomorrow... consider yourselves warned.[10:03:55] *** Vanisha <Vanisha!0e8b9ca7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.139.156.167> has joined #haiku[10:04:42] <Vanisha> how do I get icons of a applications ? I need them so I can write about them in the help guide[10:06:20] <jessicah`> Duggan: you haven't slept either?[10:07:37] <jessicah`> Vanisha: catattr --raw BEOS:ICON /boot/system/apps/Terminal > terminal.hvif[10:08:00] <jessicah`> rinse & repeat :)[10:10:52] *** euver <euver!~Thunderbi@p54A28D7A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[10:11:02] <Vanisha> jessicah`: thanks ![10:12:00] <Vanisha> jessicah`: What about the icons used inside the app :?[10:12:17] <Vanisha> jessicah`: like undo , redo icons and all[10:14:06] <jessicah`> hmm[10:14:14] <jessicah`> do you have an example app I can look at?[10:14:25] <Vanisha> DocumentViewer[10:15:47] <jessicah`> installing :)[10:17:38] <jessicah`> hmm, I dunno how you'd extract from the app[10:17:51] <jessicah`> you'd probably have to look at the sources[10:19:00] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@p5DE538B8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[10:27:42] <jessicah`> hmm; it's a shame icon-o-matic can't read an rdef file[10:30:06] <jessicah`> hmm, guess there's no x86_64 version of WonderBrush either[10:32:23] <Duggan> jessicah` no :P[10:35:24] <jessicah`> wonder if I can write an rdef importer... heh[10:37:11] <jessicah`> it looks pretty straight-forward[10:38:59] <Duggan> jessicah`, Icon-O-Matic loads at least the app icon[10:40:04] <Duggan> btw, it's after 3:30 am here :P[10:40:18] <Duggan> or 03:30 or whatever you non-Americans say :P[10:41:36] <Duggan> that being said, I need to try to take a nap... see y'all soon[10:41:54] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-44-213.bix.bellsouth.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[10:43:24] *** postmen <postmen!~tonio@p5B150051.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[10:48:24] <Ace__> hmm, help me with figlet... permission denied[10:50:13] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[10:51:17] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has joined #haiku[10:57:20] <Vanisha> jessicah`: Eh , okay . Thanks :)[11:07:51] *** Emrys <Emrys!~emrys@92.87.13.132> has joined #haiku[11:12:48] *** Emrys <Emrys!~emrys@92.87.13.132> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[11:17:47] *** wesbl <wesbl!4f3380c4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.51.128.196> has joined #haiku[11:22:31] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has joined #haiku[11:26:50] *** Vanisha <Vanisha!0e8b9ca7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.139.156.167> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[11:27:02] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[11:30:16] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[11:40:30] <jessicah`> oh she's gone[11:41:50] *** postmen <postmen!~tonio@p5B150051.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[12:01:57] *** wesbl <wesbl!4f3380c4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.51.128.196> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[12:10:49] <jessicah`> or he... I shouldn't assume[12:11:27] <jessicah`> Ace__: can you upload the package you've created somewhere?[12:11:40] <jessicah`> and I'll take a look at it[12:22:24] *** KapiX <KapiX!~kacper@89-65-138-76.dynamic.chello.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: KapiX)[12:35:08] *** amuck <amuck!~amuck@2001:19f0:8001:13b:5400:ff:fe3f:cad9> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC 1.6.3 - http://znc.in)[12:35:16] *** amuck <amuck!~amuck@2001:19f0:8001:13b:5400:ff:fe3f:cad9> has joined #haiku[12:50:17] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has joined #haiku[13:00:41] <Ace__> hmm, okay, any recommendation where to upload?[13:04:11] <jessicah> zip it up and use dropbox or whatever[13:10:52] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has joined #haiku[13:12:40] <jessicah> I'm heading to bed now though, so I'll check later[13:15:16] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[13:24:12] <Ace__> okay[13:24:19] <Ace__> thanks[13:26:01] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:186a:e60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[13:34:42] *** infomatt2 <infomatt2!cc7e0ada@gateway/web/freenode/ip.204.126.10.218> has joined #haiku[13:46:58] <Not-8398> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±3] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/37a5e39f9ed7...42b9bd6d7c34[13:46:59] <Not-8398> [haikuports/haikuports] dash102 42b9bd6 - Freeciv: add icon and rdef (#967)[13:55:54] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[14:02:37] <Not-8398> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/42b9bd6d7c34...42cd4654356e[14:02:39] <Not-8398> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys 42cd465 - freeciv: bump version to 2.5.6[14:13:51] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-9-81.nationalcablenetworks.ru> has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host)[14:15:30] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-9-81.nationalcablenetworks.ru> has joined #haiku[14:17:17] *** ADS_Sr <ADS_Sr!~ADS_Sr@cpe-173-175-17-54.hot.res.rr.com> has joined #haiku[14:42:16] <Ace__> https://www.mediafire.com/?hh3u2yf14vtam30 @jessicah sorry for taking a long time... connection is bad on vm[14:47:03] *** infomatt2 <infomatt2!cc7e0ada@gateway/web/freenode/ip.204.126.10.218> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[14:58:44] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has joined #haiku[15:03:02] *** King_Warg1 <King_Warg1!~Wildman@50.110.106.243> has joined #haiku[15:03:05] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[15:04:40] *** King_Warg <King_Warg!~Wildman@50.110.114.155> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[15:19:00] *** petrichorx <petrichorx!uid147077@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uaamznqtsitfpdhg> has joined #haiku[15:20:13] *** Perelandra <Perelandra!~Perelandr@h69-130-75-184.nansme.broadband.dynamic.tds.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[15:23:44] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@81-225-60-243-no168.bredband.skanova.com> has joined #haiku[15:26:09] *** LeandroLuiz <LeandroLuiz!~clkalw@unaffiliated/leandroluiz> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection timed out)[15:26:36] *** LeandroLuiz <LeandroLuiz!~clkalw@181.41.210.237> has joined #haiku[15:26:36] *** LeandroLuiz <LeandroLuiz!~clkalw@181.41.210.237> has quit IRC (Changing host)[15:26:36] *** LeandroLuiz <LeandroLuiz!~clkalw@unaffiliated/leandroluiz> has joined #haiku[15:38:24] <ohnx> hey Ace__ would you happen to have the recipe around still?[15:38:51] <Ace__> figlet?[15:39:17] <ohnx> yes[15:39:59] <ohnx> i know you sent a link but i can't pull it up >.>[15:48:47] <ohnx> Ace__: figlet works for me[15:52:33] *** KapiX <KapiX!~kacper@89-65-138-76.dynamic.chello.pl> has joined #haiku[16:00:11] *** knarf <knarf!~knarf@81-64-93-195.rev.numericable.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[16:01:26] *** xemdetia <xemdetia!~xemdetia@129.42.208.174> has joined #haiku[16:02:01] <Ace__> hmm[16:02:12] <Ace__> that package link?[16:09:27] *** vanisha <vanisha!0e8b9ca7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.139.156.167> has joined #haiku[16:09:41] <ohnx> http://collabedit.com/3ddf9[16:09:51] <ohnx> make sure you're running `figlet`[16:09:53] <ohnx> not `./figlet`[16:10:45] <Ace__> hmm, okay[16:10:54] <Ace__> i'm typing figlet[16:11:06] <Ace__> but i dunno, why the output said that[16:11:44] <Ace__> and yeah, that link is my figlet recipe lol[16:12:49] *** petrichorx_ <petrichorx_!uid147077@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oqicrchocbupract> has joined #haiku[16:13:17] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:13:17] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:13:18] *** petrichorx <petrichorx!uid147077@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uaamznqtsitfpdhg> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[16:13:18] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@ip-109-45-1-16.web.vodafone.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:14:35] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@ip-109-45-1-16.web.vodafone.de> has joined #haiku[16:14:35] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[16:22:01] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[16:22:19] <vanisha> How can I change lots of file names in one go? I used a app long back but now I can't seem to find it[16:25:00] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #haiku[16:25:30] *** Ace__ <Ace__!b4f3d6bf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.180.243.214.191> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[16:27:04] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d855bc3.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[16:27:04] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[16:30:10] *** vanisha <vanisha!0e8b9ca7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.139.156.167> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[16:38:26] *** mikedld|_ <mikedld|_!~mike.dld@128.140.241.11> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[16:46:52] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has joined #haiku[16:51:16] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[16:54:18] *** KapiX <KapiX!~kacper@89-65-138-76.dynamic.chello.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: KapiX)[17:03:54] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: GeneralDuke)[17:06:02] *** SMChaiku <SMChaiku!4014c2c6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.20.194.198> has joined #haiku[17:06:04] <SMChaiku> how goes GCI ?[17:06:13] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-102-27-241.ks.ok.cox.net> has joined #haiku[17:06:23] *** vanisha <vanisha!0e8b9ca7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.139.156.167> has joined #haiku[17:15:39] *** vanisha <vanisha!0e8b9ca7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.139.156.167> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[17:34:53] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-102-27-241.ks.ok.cox.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Eating pizza)[17:39:00] *** Vanisha <Vanisha!0e8b9ca7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.139.156.167> has joined #haiku[17:41:43] <Vanisha> Can I write PDF files in Haiku ? If yes , which app ?[17:41:47] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[17:43:22] <Vidrep> Good morning[17:44:11] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, I'll create the ticket for the mp3 files issues that AlienSoldier and I were discussing earlier[17:44:17] *** mikedld|w <mikedld|w!~mike.dld@128.140.241.11> has joined #haiku[17:44:25] <Vidrep> Hi humdinger[17:47:20] <humdinger> hi Vidrep[17:47:49] <humdinger> Vanisha: there's a pdf writer as printer you can set up in the printer prefs.[17:48:01] <humdinger> now you just need an app that prints correctly...[17:48:13] <humdinger> web+ doesn't print e.g.[17:50:18] <Vanisha> humdinger: And best document creator ?[17:51:00] <humdinger> StyledEdit? :)[17:51:04] <humdinger> no idea.[17:53:53] <Vanisha> I want images too in the PDF[17:54:04] <Vanisha> I don't think that is possible[17:54:24] <Vanisha> in StyledEdit , I guess I will just use markdown[17:54:38] <humdinger> does gobe productive print correctly to PDF?[17:54:58] <humdinger> GoogleDocs if that is still around[17:55:23] <Vanisha> In markdown .HVIF extension is allowed for images ?[17:56:50] <humdinger> not sure what you mean... StyledEdit doesn't do markdown or images[17:57:21] <humdinger> You can create HTML manually and print from QupZilla as PDF.[17:57:33] <humdinger> works, just tried it.[17:57:57] <Vanisha> Ok , got it[17:58:06] <Vanisha> thanks :)[18:01:07] <Vanisha> humdinger: Can I use .hvif extension for images in html in haiku ?[18:01:16] <Vanisha> will that work ?[18:02:00] <humdinger> no. AFAIK web+ uses the webkit for images, not Haiku's translation kit.[18:03:12] <Vanisha> I have to use .hvif extension for images while making the help page , how can I do it now ?[18:03:35] <humdinger> export as png in IOM[18:04:12] <Vanisha> Few of those are broken[18:04:19] <Vanisha> After exporting, already tried[18:04:41] <humdinger> how broken?[18:05:53] <Vanisha> when I transfer them to windows , few of those don't load up gives "Invalid Image" , using them on a html page give's the broken image symbol[18:06:13] <humdinger> you can view them in Haiku?[18:06:23] <humdinger> did you Export or Save them?[18:06:34] <Vanisha> export[18:07:14] <humdinger> Never seen that. you sure?[18:07:34] <humdinger> sure heir mime type is image/png ?[18:07:38] <humdinger> *their[18:07:39] <Vanisha> Let me go through that again , will come back to you[18:07:46] <Vanisha> yes[18:13:13] <Vanisha> Ok , got the mistake ! lazy meh . I first used Pecorename to change extension from hvif to png . Still the icons would open in IOM , used export feature to export . But due to change from hvif to png earlier it gave me broken images[18:15:17] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has joined #haiku[18:16:46] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@2.68.212.180.mobile.tre.se> has joined #haiku[18:16:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[18:18:14] <Begasus> evening peeps[18:19:07] *** SMChaiku <SMChaiku!4014c2c6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.20.194.198> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[18:19:44] <Vanisha> evening begasus[18:21:05] <Begasus> hi Vanisha[18:22:12] *** Emrys <Emrys!~emrys@92.87.13.132> has joined #haiku[18:23:02] <Begasus> hi Emrys[18:23:15] <Emrys> hey Begasus[18:24:38] <Not-8398> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/42cd4654356e...b260fef0fc96[18:24:40] <Not-8398> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus b260fef - sdl_pango: fix provides (#986)[18:25:59] <Begasus> k .. this should fix the broken provides for sdl_pango :)[18:34:59] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has joined #haiku[18:39:34] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[18:44:21] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[18:44:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[18:48:12] *** Ace__ <Ace__!b4f3d6bf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.180.243.214.191> has joined #haiku[18:48:21] <Ace__> test[18:50:13] <Begasus> working :)[18:50:25] <PulkoMandy> IIRC, WebKit does use the translation kit, except for the formats it already supports[18:51:01] <PulkoMandy> it was done this way to allow showing jpeg and png with the progressive loading (show imagge with low quality before it is completely downloaded), which isn't possible easily with the translation kit[18:51:08] *** Emrys <Emrys!~emrys@92.87.13.132> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[18:51:19] <PulkoMandy> so if you have the HVIF translator installed, it should work[18:57:34] * humdinger stands corrected[19:01:00] <humdinger> hey Ace__: is the figlet package now working for you, too?[19:01:15] *** Vanisha <Vanisha!0e8b9ca7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.139.156.167> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[19:01:19] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@2.68.212.180.mobile.tre.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Lämnar)[19:01:26] <Ace__> nope, i don't know why[19:01:48] <Begasus> check has failed on the PR, maybe some indication there?[19:01:53] <humdinger> did you remove the older hpkg before installing the newest one?[19:02:06] <Ace__> nope[19:02:16] <Ace__> i thought that it will renew the old one[19:02:40] <humdinger> maybe that's it. there may be issues when the REVISION wasn't increased[19:03:02] <Ace__> ah, i see, okay then, i will delete the old package file[19:04:48] <humdinger> Ace__: there's a whitespace in the line above BUILD_REQUIRES. remove that.[19:04:51] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@2.68.212.180.mobile.tre.se> has joined #haiku[19:04:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[19:05:00] <humdinger> let's hope that's the thing Travis is complaining about.[19:05:20] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[19:05:40] <Ace__> hmm, okay[19:05:52] <Ace__> is it affect the package?[19:06:02] <humdinger> no.[19:06:13] <humdinger> but it won't pass Travis' chcks[19:06:19] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@2.68.212.180.mobile.tre.se> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[19:06:28] <Ace__> no whitespace here.... hmm[19:06:34] <Ace__> i will check the github[19:06:53] <Begasus> has this changed? MANDIR=${MAN} (instead of MANDIR=$manDir)?[19:07:11] <humdinger> Begasus: it's deeper in subfolders[19:07:21] <Begasus> ok[19:08:10] <humdinger> come to think of it, using lower-cse variables would make it less confusing...[19:08:10] <Ace__> hmm, whitespace or enter? if i delete once, it deletes tthe blank line...[19:08:25] <humdinger> but I fear Ace__ will go mad if I come around with that now.[19:08:45] <Ace__> lol, it's okay[19:08:57] <Ace__> it's only a variables[19:09:27] <humdinger> how about using manFolder and fontFolder instead of MAN and FONTS then?[19:09:39] <humdinger> and lose the {}[19:10:05] <Ace__> something like MANDIR=$manFolder??[19:10:14] <humdinger> yes.[19:10:28] <humdinger> and the definition above the BUILD() of course[19:10:45] <Ace__> hmmm[19:10:59] <Ace__> maybe in the next task when i'm fixing other recipe lol[19:11:06] <Ace__> after all, it's just a name[19:11:21] <humdinger> but since you already have the PR open.[19:11:27] <humdinger> just another push[19:11:36] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has joined #haiku[19:12:19] <Ace__> so, i edit the code again? or how? I'm not that understand using github, lol[19:12:48] <humdinger> you updated the recipes a zillion times already. just like that... :)[19:12:58] <Ace__> zillion, lol[19:13:07] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-147-157-33.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:13:08] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@2.68.212.180.mobile.tre.se> has joined #haiku[19:13:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[19:13:10] <Ace__> hmm, okay, wait, I'm still trying this package[19:13:24] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-167-63-85.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[19:13:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[19:13:52] <Ace__> hm, where is this figlet file after I install it?[19:14:02] <humdinger> /bin[19:14:15] <Begasus> git commit --amend (should take your last commit and add the new changes after 'git add ...'[19:15:20] <Ace__> hmm, how to access bin, I dunno where it is, inside /boot? or different?[19:15:49] <humdinger> just enter "fig" and press tab in Terminal.[19:16:07] <humdinger> /bin is in the PATH and things in it are found.[19:17:16] <Ace__> ~>fig[19:17:19] <Ace__> like that?[19:17:24] <humdinger> and the tab key.[19:17:28] <humdinger> for tab-completion[19:17:38] <Ace__> no effect when i prees tab[19:17:45] <Ace__> *press[19:17:51] <humdinger> press twice[19:18:03] <humdinger> there are more files with the same beginning[19:18:27] <humdinger> enter as many letters as you need to make it unique[19:18:47] <humdinger> sod it, just type "figlet --help" :)[19:19:14] <Ace__> it's still the same[19:19:23] <Ace__> when i type that[19:19:30] *** Vanisha <Vanisha!0e8b9ca7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.139.156.167> has joined #haiku[19:19:34] <Ace__> ./figlet permission denied[19:19:40] <humdinger> hmm, try "ls -la /bin/fig* /bin/chkfont /bin/showfigfonts"[19:20:03] <humdinger> there should be "x" in all the output lines[19:20:40] *** Guma <Guma!~quassel@2601:249:301:6a33:dcab:fdd6:71c:90be> has joined #haiku[19:21:17] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[19:21:39] <Vanisha> humdinger: Can you brief me on copyrights , how do they work ? I tried googling it says copyright are upto 75 years after the death of the owner but I see some apps with copyrights upto 2015/14/13/12 not just that different files in same app have different copyright year mentioned[19:21:44] <Ace__> no such file or directory[19:22:37] <humdinger> you sure you installed the package, Ace__?[19:23:31] <humdinger> Vanisha: not sure I understand the question. Why there are different copyright years in the source of an app?[19:23:55] <Ace__> yes....[19:24:01] <Ace__> hm, i will try reinstall it[19:24:29] <Vanisha> humdinger: If a copyright mentioned is 2011-2014 what does that mean ? Is it still copyrighted ?[19:24:41] <Vanisha> and yes Why there are different copyright years in the source of an app?[19:24:53] <humdinger> Vanisha: yes those are the years the code was written/edited.[19:24:55] <Begasus> ls -l /system/bin/fig*[19:25:32] <humdinger> Vanisha: source grows over the years. some things are touched twice a months, others only every other decade.[19:25:54] <geist> i used to always do the year range thing, but i've been informed by folks that know a thing that it really doesn't help to change the date more than the initial one[19:25:55] <PulkoMandy> and copyright laws change over time[19:26:04] <geist> and actually the date is mostly irrelevant[19:26:15] <geist> but may as well[19:26:29] <PulkoMandy> yes, it is in current US copyright law IIRC[19:26:36] <PulkoMandy> but that may change again[19:26:54] <geist> sure, but i doubt having updated the date in the file would make a difference[19:27:01] <PulkoMandy> (US copyright used to require that the word "copyright" and the date were stated on the work itself, but they changed that)[19:27:09] <geist> it's akin to all movies or books would have to be reprinted every year[19:27:12] <geist> which makes no sense[19:28:10] <Ace__> yep, still the same[19:28:10] <PulkoMandy> well, it depends, in France for collective works, the copyright lasts for 60 years after the publication, and in the case of open source software, it would be 60 years after the publication of each specific version[19:28:51] <PulkoMandy> makes little sense to update the date and renew the copyright… especially when the code is under MIT licence which is mostly "we can't put this in the public domain yet, let's use something aas close as possible"[19:29:15] *** Vanisha <Vanisha!0e8b9ca7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.139.156.167> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[19:29:28] <humdinger> Ace__: so you deleted the figlet HPKG from /system/packages,[19:29:51] <humdinger> then double-click the newly built HPKG and install via HaikuDepot?[19:30:16] <PulkoMandy> but in any case, it seems safe to have the date of first and last modification, and reasonably assume that will be enough for complying with all stupid requirements for copyrights in all countries for a few years[19:30:16] <Ace__> ah, that package, i thought the package from haikuports, lol[19:30:37] * humdinger is throttling Ace__[19:30:44] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[19:32:02] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, looking at which mp3 files that don't play, I'm seeing a common denominator[19:33:19] <Vidrep> When opening in MP and looking at "File Info" it says the container: "ModPlug demuxer (ffmpeg)"[19:33:31] <Ace__> yep, still the same[19:33:40] <Ace__> permission denied[19:33:45] <Ace__> but why...[19:33:56] <Vidrep> Audio "raw audio 16 bit stereo, 44,100 kHz"[19:34:15] <humdinger> no idea. works perfectly here. maybe you keep installing the old package?[19:34:22] <Vidrep> I'll create a ticket on trac with sample files and screenshots[19:34:24] <humdinger> try increasing the REVISION and build again.[19:34:33] <Ace__> i already delete all figlet package lol[19:34:35] <Ace__> hmm, okay[19:34:37] <humdinger> then make sure you take the one ending in -2[19:35:36] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: "ModPlug" is for playing MOD files from Amiga[19:35:45] <PulkoMandy> so that would mean they are not detected as MP3 at all[19:35:58] <PulkoMandy> I would guess they are missing an header at the start of the file[19:36:21] <humdinger> did gcc2 ffmpeg play back AAC audio?[19:36:34] <PulkoMandy> it should, yes[19:36:53] <humdinger> because currently it only plays back the first half-second[19:37:00] <humdinger> the it's silent. works under gcc5[19:37:05] <humdinger> *then[19:37:09] <Ace__> still the same...[19:37:10] <Ace__> hmm[19:37:54] <PulkoMandy> humdinger: I think I know where that problem comes from[19:38:04] <humdinger> Ace__: delete the HPKG from sysem/package/ again[19:38:08] <PulkoMandy> and, these files should work fine with playfile, if I'm right[19:38:22] <humdinger> Ace__: the do a " tail -f /var/log/syslog" in Terminal before installing again.[19:38:24] <Ace__> then?[19:38:33] <Ace__> hmm, okay[19:38:35] <Begasus> Ace__ . can you pastebin me the one you are working on now?[19:38:54] <Ace__> the outpu of terminal?[19:39:09] <Begasus> no the recipe :)[19:39:17] <humdinger> Ace__: yes when you install the new figlet package[19:39:36] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: playfile only plays audio? this is a youtube video.[19:39:41] <Ace__> I install it without terminal, just double click the package[19:39:56] <humdinger> s long as you have the syslog tailed...[19:40:45] <PulkoMandy> humdinger: it only plays audio, but it can play the audio track from video files[19:41:04] <Ace__> hmm, that command use to show all log happened in haiku?[19:41:36] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: fills screen with "SoundPlayNode::FillNextBuffer: RequestBuffer failed"[19:41:44] <humdinger> Ace__: yes[19:42:15] <Begasus> shoutcast streaming fine here PulkoMandy +1[19:42:21] <Ace__> http://collabedit.com/ym2br[19:42:26] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: at the beginning playfile says: "Compiler did not align stack variables. Libavcodec has been miscompiled and may be very slow or crash. This is not a bug in libavcodec, but in the compiler. You may try recompiling using gcc >= 4.2. Do not report crashes to FFmpeg developers."[19:42:38] <PulkoMandy> yes, that is a known issue for a long time[19:42:44] <PulkoMandy> seems harmless[19:42:51] <PulkoMandy> except when ffmpeg crashes :)[19:43:02] <humdinger> doesn't play anything anyway..[19:43:10] <Begasus> nice to hear some music on Haiku :)[19:43:10] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, there are a pair of mp3 attached to ticket #12707 that exhibit the problem[19:44:33] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-9-81.nationalcablenetworks.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[19:46:15] <humdinger> Ace__: you do install the package from haikuports/packages/ right?[19:46:38] <Ace__> yup[19:47:15] <humdinger> and the output in collabedit is from deleting the old package from /system/packages ?[19:48:08] <humdinger> I'm confused by it mentioning /boot/home/haikuports/app-misc/figlet/work-222/boot/system[19:48:28] <humdinger> what's the output when installing the package?[19:48:40] <Ace__> hmm[19:48:56] <Ace__> nothing change when i install it in terminal[19:49:13] <Vidrep> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13150 created[19:49:34] <humdinger> install it in Terminal? I don't follow...[19:49:43] <Ace__> i mean[19:49:48] <Ace__> nothing change in terminal[19:49:51] <Ace__> when i install it[19:49:52] <Ace__> lol[19:50:25] <humdinger> maybe the package_daemon fell asleep...[19:50:42] <Ace__> hm? what does it mean?[19:50:43] <humdinger> make sure the package is removed from /system/packages, reboot, try again.[19:50:51] <Ace__> hmm, okay[19:50:56] <humdinger> do the syslog tailing before installing.[19:50:58] <Ace__> i will delete all package lol[19:51:04] <Begasus> working fine here with the recipe from the PR[19:51:11] <Ace__> i will try from build again[19:51:18] <humdinger> here too, Begasus[19:52:00] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@p5DE538B8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[19:52:23] <humdinger> just wished why the recipe fails the linting of Travis...[19:52:29] <humdinger> passes that test here too[19:52:36] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, if there's anything else that you need from my end, let me know[19:54:04] <Begasus> chkfont errors out here though "/system/data/fonts/psfonts/bchri.pfb: ERROR- Filename does not end with '.flf'" maybe the fonts are not installed?[19:54:38] <Begasus> atleast I don't see any *.flf fonts ...[19:55:49] <humdinger> Begasus: those are figlet special fonts.[19:56:02] <humdinger> they are in /system/data/figlet/fonts/[19:56:38] <Begasus> ah k[19:57:20] <Begasus> ok, no errors now[19:57:36] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #haiku[19:57:52] *** Stephanie <Stephanie!~Stephanie@ip68-102-27-241.ks.ok.cox.net> has joined #haiku[19:57:57] <humdinger> but chkfont likes to crash if it doesn't get the font it expects. :)[19:58:33] <Ace__> that's the output...[19:58:39] <Begasus> makes sence I guess :)[19:59:30] <Begasus> well it seems to find standard.flf with figlet so I guess it's working ok[20:00:11] <Begasus> figlist working ok also[20:00:17] *** postmen <postmen!~tonio@p5B150051.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[20:00:20] <Ace__> hmm??[20:00:35] <Begasus> showfigfonts also[20:01:30] <humdinger> Ace__: that's all? nothing more?[20:01:39] <Begasus> hi Stephanie! congrats on the work on freeciv +1[20:01:40] <Ace__> yep[20:01:49] <Stephanie> :) thanks Begasus[20:02:24] <humdinger> Ace__: that's the output when building and installing?[20:02:31] <Ace__> yup[20:02:40] <humdinger> for some reason you package never gets activated.[20:03:03] <Ace__> ....[20:03:21] <humdinger> you sure you got all the output?[20:03:25] <Ace__> activate, same with installing right?[20:03:26] <Ace__> yup[20:03:34] <humdinger> theres at least a "packages" missing in the last line...[20:03:44] <humdinger> installing should activate.[20:03:56] <humdinger> here it looks like this:[20:03:58] <humdinger> KERN: package_daemon [12656244944: 694] CommitTransactionHandler::_ChangePackageActivation(): activating 1, deactivating 0 packages[20:03:59] <humdinger> KERN: packagefs [12656245643: 694] Volume::_ChangeActivation(): 1 new packages, 0 old packages[20:03:59] <humdinger> KERN: packagefs [12656246951: 694] package "figlet-222-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg" activated[20:04:00] <humdinger> KERN: package_daemon [12656745137: 694] Volume::_PackagesEntryCreated("figlet-222-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg")[20:04:12] <humdinger> yours stops after the first "0"[20:04:57] <humdinger> maybe do a "checkfs -c /boot"[20:05:22] <Ace__> hmm, okay[20:06:14] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[20:07:17] <Ace__> that's the ouput... still in collab at the bottom[20:07:36] <humdinger> squeaky clean[20:08:05] <humdinger> Hey. now the previous output is complete![20:08:20] <humdinger> I didn't see the lines 95-98 before.[20:08:33] <humdinger> so the package should be installed.[20:08:46] <humdinger> you are on gcc2hybrid image, right?[20:08:52] <Ace__> it's there from the start[20:09:00] <Ace__> probably, lol[20:09:28] <humdinger> and ls /bin/fig* does nothing?[20:10:15] <Ace__> test[20:10:33] <Ace__> bin/figlet[20:10:36] <Ace__> and[20:10:41] <Ace__> bin/figlist[20:11:46] <humdinger> you're missing the initial /[20:11:59] <Ace__> cant type it here...[20:12:13] <humdinger> put a space in front.[20:12:15] <humdinger> anyway...[20:12:17] <Ace__> and yeah, now figlet is running lol[20:12:27] <Ace__> thanks, hahaha[20:12:28] <humdinger> OMG[20:12:47] <humdinger> one more thing: did you use tabs or spaces for indention?[20:12:54] <humdinger> looks like spaces from here.[20:13:14] <humdinger> cahnge to tab. maybe that's what Trvis is on about.[20:13:23] <Ace__> indention?[20:13:25] <Begasus> Ace__ .. probably you need to bump the revision in the recipe for travis?[20:13:27] <Ace__> hmm[20:13:45] <Ace__> hm?? how[20:13:45] <humdinger> Begasus: you think?[20:13:46] <Begasus> as 1 is already accepted[20:14:08] <humdinger> the PR is still on hold[20:14:38] <humdinger> Ace__: don't indent with 4 spaces, but one tab[20:14:50] <Ace__> hmm, i use tab...[20:14:58] <Ace__> i dunno why i copy it become spaces...[20:15:09] <Ace__> cause I usually use tab...[20:15:15] <humdinger> when copied from github too[20:15:18] <Begasus> ah in "BUILD"[20:15:59] <Ace__> okay[20:16:14] <Ace__> hmm[20:16:16] <Begasus> hmmm .. all ove the place (used the raw file from github)[20:16:17] <Ace__> when i use tab[20:16:27] <humdinger> everywhere. tabs instead spaces[20:16:37] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[20:16:45] <Ace__> i still can delete it 4 times like i'm using 4 spaces[20:16:47] <Ace__> why[20:17:08] <Ace__> ah, i know why, lol[20:17:09] <humdinger> what editor?[20:17:15] <Ace__> there's a setting in here[20:17:43] *** petrichorx_ <petrichorx_!uid147077@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oqicrchocbupract> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[20:20:40] <Ace__> hmm[20:21:15] <Ace__> when i'm not using manFolder as variable, i just change all manFolder into $manDir/man6 right?[20:21:53] <humdinger> yes. let's do what fbrosson suggests. he has the most experience here...[20:27:57] <Ace__> hmm, seems done[20:28:27] <Ace__> should i submit package content again?[20:28:37] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[20:29:45] <Begasus> haikuporter should have some $fontDir defenition ...[20:30:23] <humdinger> Begasus: yes, but these special fonts would sully the nice general purpose font folder[20:30:49] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[20:30:58] <humdinger> Ace__: since you made all changes proposed by fbrosson, it's all good, i think.[20:31:07] <Begasus> you could use fontFolder=$fontDir then?[20:31:09] <humdinger> let's hope the sucker makes it past Travis[20:31:21] <Ace__> lol, hope so[20:31:36] <humdinger> Begasus: then you have 2 dozen obscure files in the fonts folder.[20:32:00] <humdinger> Dunno if they'd appear in apps that expect ttf.[20:32:26] <Begasus> k[20:33:56] <Ace__> what is or who is Travis?[20:34:53] <humdinger> A bot that checks PR for formal errors[20:35:28] <Ace__> btw, can i submit task for reviews?[20:35:36] <humdinger> yep.[20:35:49] <Ace__> thanks, hahaha[20:36:03] *** dlesage <dlesage!dlesage@nat/redhat/x-uudoelzclgwkymrh> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[20:36:03] *** dograt <dograt!~dograt@unaffiliated/dograt> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[20:36:03] *** GeekShad1w <GeekShad1w!~antoine@nzf.turmel.info> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[20:36:03] *** Guest71119 <Guest71119!~Pinchy@unaffiliated/socialery> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[20:36:03] *** Kernel86 <Kernel86!~Kernel86@cpe-69-23-104-66.new.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[20:36:03] *** hydraz <hydraz!matheus@unaffiliated/demhydraz> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[20:36:03] *** Cenbe <Cenbe!~cenbe@unaffiliated/cenbe> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[20:36:04] *** pfoetchen <pfoetchen!~pfoetchen@beiboot1.petschge.de> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[20:36:04] *** mikaelj <mikaelj!~mikaelj@c83-248-16-5.bredband.comhem.se> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[20:36:11] *** 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translator uses a lot of attributes[21:08:12] *** wesbl <wesbl!4f3380c4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.51.128.196> has joined #haiku[21:18:58] <compyx> Anyone here with some insight into SDL2 renderers on Haiku?[21:29:50] *** dax007 <dax007!dfbe72dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.223.190.114.221> has joined #haiku[21:29:51] <dax007> hello[21:30:06] <dax007> I believe i've found a bug in BePDF[21:31:05] <dax007> While rotating a PDF by 90 deg in clockwise direction rotates it in the anti clockwise direction and vice versa[21:31:43] <Vidrep> dax007, please file a bug report on the BePDF webpage in HaikuArchives[21:32:23] <Vidrep> https://github.com/HaikuArchives/BePDF[21:32:54] <dax007> I am on the job..[21:33:13] <dax007> but I'm currently writing a QA test plan for it[21:33:28] <dax007> so do I report this over there as well[21:34:14] <Vidrep> Yep[21:36:02] <dax007> ok... thank you[21:36:12] *** dax007 <dax007!dfbe72dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.223.190.114.221> has quit IRC (Quit: Page 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<jrabbit> I cant seem to follow where I need to configure haikuporter so that i can actually use the packages it makes?[23:07:15] *** Guma <Guma!~quassel@2601:249:301:6a33:dcab:fdd6:71c:90be> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:28:12] *** Guma <Guma!~quassel@2601:249:301:6a33:45c3:70bb:bcae:4673> has joined #haiku[23:28:42] <HAIKU-irker273> haiku.master: axeld * hrev50820 [3 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=39f437f77e5c+%5E7894dfde260a[23:28:43] <HAIKU-irker273> 9bcf23b1a25b: bfs: Made stream code more robust against bad data.[23:28:44] <HAIKU-irker273> 80d54534fae5: Coding style cleanup.[23:28:45] <HAIKU-irker273> 39f437f77e5c: bfs: Always check if NodeGetter succeeded.[23:29:12] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Macabre?)[23:33:17] *** King_Warg <King_Warg!~Wildman@50.110.97.182> has joined #haiku[23:34:44] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@2.68.212.180.mobile.tre.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Lämnar)[23:35:49] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3351 of haiku-master-arm is complete: Failure [failed jam @minimum-mmc] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-arm/builds/3351 blamelist: Axel D?rfler <axeld at pinc-software dot de>[23:36:00] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3195 of haiku-repository-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/3195 blamelist: Axel D?rfler <axeld at pinc-software dot de>[23:37:12] *** punsith <punsith!44834d22@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.131.77.34> has joined #haiku[23:49:44] <jessicah> jrabbit: they're in the packages subdirectory[23:50:19] <Duggan> hey jessicah[23:51:19] <jessicah> meow[23:51:31] <Duggan> :P[23:51:46] *** postmen <postmen!~tonio@p5B150051.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[23:52:13] *** punsith <punsith!44834d22@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.131.77.34> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[23:52:39] *** punsith <punsith!44834d22@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.68.131.77.34> has joined #haiku[23:52:42] <jessicah> (:[23:53:01] <Duggan> any luck?[23:53:14] <Duggan> I found the DRM kernel drivers... oddly enough in the gallium directory :P[23:54:03] <punsith> i need help , how to find this library : <be/add-ons/Tracker/TrackerAddon.h>[23:54:14] <jessicah> with?[23:54:55] <punsith> I am trying to compile Achieve Master and error saing This library is missing[23:55:08] <Duggan> x86_64 building[23:56:01] <Duggan> punsith that's the old directory tree... have you tried searching for it?[23:56:39] <punsith> no how to find it :/[23:56:45] <Duggan> are you running Haiku?[23:57:02] <punsith> yes[23:57:10] <Duggan> click the leaf, select "Find..."[23:57:10] <jessicah> Duggan: still diagnosing the gcc5 recipe[23:57:21] <Duggan> type in TrackerAddOn.h and see what comes up[23:57:28] <Duggan> jessicah ah :([23:57:35] <punsith> okay :)[23:58:13] <Duggan> punsith find it?[23:58:34] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!~dario@181.47.131.175> has joined #haiku[23:59:37] <punsith> Yes I found it thank you :)[23:59:51] <Duggan> punsith, mine is in /boot/system/develop/headers/os/add-ons/tracker/