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[00:00:15] <jessicah> Duggan: may want to try installing an older gawk
[00:00:38] <jessicah> e.g. http://packages.haiku-os.org/haikuports/master/hpkg/gawk-4.1.0-2-x86_64.hpkg
[00:01:07] <jessicah> should be able to drop in /boot/system/packages and remove the newer gawk, may need to reboot
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[00:01:20] <scottmc> 31 different students working on Haiku tasks. Over 100 have completed our "New to Haiku?" beginner tasks, most using Haiku for the first time.
[00:01:21] <jessicah> if it says you need to uninstall other packages in pop up window, just hit cancel and reboot
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[00:03:11] <Duggan> jessicah, I'm trying Skipp_OSX's solution first...
[00:03:14] <Duggan> oh wait it already failed...
[00:03:21] <Skipp_OSX> :)
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[00:03:58] <Duggan> erm....
[00:04:04] <Duggan> ... it still bailed on line 169...
[00:04:16] <jessicah> it's probably a broken gawk package
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[00:05:59] <Duggan> I first commented out 169 and 170 and it failed... I just deleted those two lines and now it's failing on 168...
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[00:07:24] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, you have to comment out 169, 170, 171
[00:07:36] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, otherwise you'll have an unmatched }
[00:09:07] <Duggan> 168 is } else { so they match
[00:09:34] <Duggan> 169* sorry
[00:09:57] <Duggan> so 171 would close the brace on 167
[00:12:37] <punsith> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23730354
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[00:13:04] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, okay I am seeing something different but whatever, comment out the block
[00:13:12] <punsith> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23730417/
[00:13:12] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, I think you know what to do...
[00:13:35] <punsith> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23730455/
[00:14:06] <punsith> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23730481/
[00:14:55] <punsith> scottmc , Begasus the files are hear :) ^^^
[00:15:11] <owenca> im working through programming with haiku book 2, when i compile the example from lesson 1 gcc says BPath is undefined
[00:15:22] <owenca> how can i fix it?
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[00:15:49] <Skipp_OSX> owenca, #include <Path.h>
[00:16:07] <Skipp_OSX> owenca, somewhere near top of file
[00:16:17] <owenca> it was in the .cpp file
[00:16:47] <owenca> gcc didnt complain about not being able to find Path.h
[00:16:57] <jessicah> Duggan: you really should look at using an older gawk package
[00:17:01] * jessicah goes checks it out
[00:17:20] <Skipp_OSX> owenca, it complains about not being able to find the BPath class correct?
[00:17:21] <Duggan> Skipp_OSX why would we have different versions of the file?
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[00:17:33] <Duggan> is that file generated?
[00:17:38] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, not sure, I don't think so
[00:18:18] <owenca> @Skipp_OSX, yes
[00:18:36] <jessicah> well, have to clone & build cross-compiler first...
[00:18:41] <jessicah> give me a few minutes
[00:18:42] <Skipp_OSX> owenca, BPath class is defined in Path.h it's implementation is found in Path.cpp but you don't need that
[00:18:46] <jessicah> hmm, should set vCPU to 4
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[00:21:10] <owenca> Skipp_OSX or gcc found the wrong Path.h
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[00:22:00] <Duggan> must be an error in awk, I commented out the whole if statement and it still failed on 168
[00:22:16] <jessicah> Duggan: use an older version like I said
[00:22:31] <Duggan> jessicah, you're going to have to guide me on how to do this :P
[00:22:47] <jessicah> I told you...
[00:23:08] <jessicah> I gave you link to an older package
[00:23:16] <Duggan> I haven't used anything but windows for the last 5 years :P
[00:23:19] <jessicah> drop in /boot/system/packages, then delete older one
[00:23:38] <jessicah> if you get a popup about uninstalling packages, hit cancel, then reboot
[00:23:46] <Duggan> what was the command to download from terminal again? WebPositive is trying to open it as an html
[00:23:51] <Duggan> wget I think?
[00:23:53] <jessicah> wget
[00:24:14] <jessicah> http://packages.haiku-os.org/haikuports/master/hpkg/
[00:24:17] <jessicah> a list of packages
[00:24:18] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, yeah it is an error with awk
[00:24:26] <owenca> oops, it compiles okay but the linker fails
[00:24:29] <jessicah> so you can try other older packages too
[00:24:34] <owenca> what library should i link to get BPath?
[00:24:39] <Skipp_OSX> owenca, pass -lbe in to gcc
[00:25:07] <Skipp_OSX> owenca: BPath (along with nearly everything else) is in libbe
[00:26:22] <Duggan> alright, back in a bit... restart time
[00:26:28] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, it appears from searching on Google that a lot of people got that error on RedHat 7 with gcc 2.9.6 (development version that was never intended to be distributed)
[00:27:00] <Duggan> then it could be a config issue with the build...
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[00:27:18] <Duggan> sounds like it's something that needs to be fixed regardless... what would it hurt to downgrade awk in the build?
[00:27:28] <jessicah> it wouldn't hurt
[00:27:40] <Skipp_OSX> yeah follow jessicah's advice
[00:27:41] <Duggan> ... IF downgrading fixes the issue
[00:27:46] <jessicah> but need to test that it works first
[00:27:51] <Duggan> restarting... brb
[00:28:08] <jessicah> gah, running configure in haiku vm is so much slower... haha
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[00:28:52] <Not-8398> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/27b1c7e3d29b...abb2cbef5cc4
[00:28:54] <Not-8398> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson abb2cbe - libpng12: bump to 1.2.57, drop libtool files. (#980)
[00:29:26] <owenca> Skipp_OSX thanks, it worked!
[00:29:42] <Skipp_OSX> owenca, you welcome
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[00:30:54] <Duggan> ...patience...
[00:31:07] <jessicah> I'm still building the cross tools
[00:31:43] <Duggan> In file included from /boot/home/Desktop/Repos/haiku/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/pci/pci_info.cpp:24:0: /boot/home/Desktop/Repos/haiku/generated.x86_64/objects/haiku/x86_64/common/apps/devices/pcihdr.h:28297:1: error: expected primary-expression before ',' token , ^
[00:34:27] <Duggan> jessicah what was that config line again? I'll save it in a text file so I don't have to ask again :P
[00:36:29] <jessicah> config line?
[00:36:31] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, that might be because you commented out the line that was suppose to add the expression before ','
[00:36:32] <jessicah> for buildtools?
[00:36:45] <jessicah> Duggan: just git reset --hard HEAD
[00:36:53] <jessicah> undo all those edits you did
[00:37:03] <Skipp_OSX> in other words... my advice didn't work
[00:37:25] <Duggan> lol forgot to do that... done...
[00:37:44] <Duggan> building... hasn't died yet...
[00:38:09] <Duggan> ok, so whoever's in charge of the buildbots apparently needs to downgrade gawk in the x86_64 nightly
[00:38:37] <Duggan> thanks, jessicah, Skipp_OSX :) (I'm sure it'll fail again, but we'll worry about that once it happens...)
[00:39:11] <Duggan> actually, how do I change it so it doesn't include that version of gawk in my builds?
[00:40:08] <jessicah> https://github.com/haiku/haiku/blob/master/build/jam/repositories/HaikuPorts/x86_64
[00:40:15] <jessicah> change the version in there
[00:40:27] <jessicah> you should open an issue on haikuports about gawk
[00:40:41] <jessicah> then korli will probably look into it for you
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[00:41:18] <jessicah> Duggan: which version did I give you?
[00:41:21] <jessicah> 4.1.0?
[00:41:42] <Duggan> yes ma'am
[00:42:08] <Skipp_OSX> <jessicah> e.g. http://packages.haiku-os.org/haikuports/master/hpkg/gawk-4.1.0-2-x86_64.hpkg
[00:42:59] <Duggan> still building...
[00:47:34] <punsith> I need to make a text view but only using the name and position but when i try to do it following errors appears
[00:47:36] <punsith> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23730671/\
[00:47:38] <punsith> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23730671/
[00:48:07] <punsith> can you help me
[00:48:29] <jessicah> gah, there's like no usable changelog for gawk either
[00:48:39] <jessicah> hopeless
[00:49:39] <jessicah> punsith: that's not how the API works, clearly
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[00:50:57] <jessicah> and the Haiku API docs are terrible =/
[00:51:09] <Duggan> the BeBook is great :)
[00:51:32] <Duggan> if you're using the standard BeAPI, just use the BeBook
[00:52:59] <jessicah> punsith: you should read https://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/BTextView.html
[00:53:19] <jessicah> also, the char* argument is not the text that appears in the textview
[00:55:24] <jessicah> whaaaat
[00:55:29] <jessicah> building cross tools failed
[00:55:37] <punsith> okay jessicah and Dugggan I will read it , :)
[00:55:41] <Duggan> :D welcome to my world!
[00:56:43] <jessicah> maybe I'll have to not use -j4
[00:56:45] <jessicah> trying again
[00:56:53] <Duggan> punsith, if you're doing any sort of 3rd party native development, lean very heavily on the BeBook... it's the greatest tool you have at your disposal
[00:57:04] <jessicah> also, 22 minutes in, for it to freaking die
[00:57:27] <jessicah> 22! it's like 7.5 in ubuntu :p
[00:57:38] <ohnx> Duggan: 16 cores? :o
[00:57:42] <Skipp_OSX> is there a way to tell the arch of a file in Haiku?
[00:57:51] <ohnx> jessicah: what are you building under? VM haiku?
[00:57:52] <Duggan> ohnx 8, but I use twice as many threads as I have cores
[00:58:02] <jessicah> still, it takes 45 minutes in windows 10 with bash on ubuntu on windows, with necessary patches
[00:58:04] <ohnx> like hyperthreading?
[00:58:16] <Skipp_OSX> similar to the `file` command on Linux/OSX ?
[00:58:22] <jessicah> I have quad core i5-3570K
[00:58:23] <Duggan> ohnx not really, those are still logical cores and are reported as cores by the OS
[00:58:30] <jessicah> haiku VM using virtualbox
[00:58:39] <Duggan> (one hyperthreaded core shows up as 2 cores)
[00:58:42] <jessicah> Skipp_OSX: of a binary?
[00:58:44] <jessicah> readelf
[00:58:49] <Skipp_OSX> jessicah, yes
[00:59:14] <punsith> Duggan thank you :)
[01:00:07] <jessicah> ohnx: ubuntu VM is 7.5 minutes; haiku VM is... long time, since it didn't finish
[01:00:47] <Duggan> ohnx but like I explained earlier, with an old spinning platter HD, IO requests block, so if one thread is blocked, another can run in it's place, so ultimately you get much better performance (in my case)... jessicah tried it with her SSD and actuall got worse performance
[01:00:48] <Duggan> punsith no problem :)
[01:01:16] <Skipp_OSX> okay, let me ask this differently... what is the difference between /boot/system/lib/x86/libroot.so and /boot/system/lib/libroot.so?
[01:01:26] <Skipp_OSX> x86 is gcc4 right?
[01:01:38] <jessicah> yes
[01:01:46] <Duggan> Skipp_OSX or gcc5, that's my guess
[01:01:47] <Duggan> lib/libroot.so is probably gcc2
[01:02:14] <Skipp_OSX> on a default gcc2h system I mean
[01:02:23] <Duggan> yep
[01:02:54] <jessicah> you could probably look at the comment section
[01:02:58] <jessicah> I think readelf can do that
[01:03:07] <Duggan> I'd say lib/libroot.so is probably gcc2 in all cases that support gcc2... since legacy software will always look there for it... unless that's entirely handled by the OS anyway.... which it probably is :P
[01:03:24] <jessicah> it's gcc2 on a gcc2hybrid
[01:03:39] <jessicah> it's gcc4/5 on a gcc4/5hybrid
[01:04:05] <jessicah> on gcc2hybrid, you have /system/lib/ for gcc2, /system/lib/x86 for gcc5
[01:04:11] <Duggan> ah... handled by the OS then
[01:04:29] <jessicah> on gcc5hybrid, you have /system/lib for gcc4, /system/lib/x86_gcc2 for gcc2, iirc
[01:04:39] <jessicah> I haven't used a gcc5hybrid in a while
[01:05:09] <Skipp_OSX> yeah okay that makes sense
[01:05:12] <Duggan> you mean gcc5 right? :P
[01:05:13] <Duggan> I always preferred gcc4 hybrids (can't say 5 because it wasn't in the picture when I was last a hardcore user :P)
[01:05:32] <jessicah> :p
[01:05:38] <jessicah> it's habit to say gcc4
[01:05:50] <jessicah> gcc5 still uses some gcc4 ABI stuff too
[01:05:53] <jessicah> so meh, gcc4
[01:06:14] <jessicah> think it's in std::string that has an ABI change
[01:06:16] <punsith> I red it but is their a any other way to change location of an object in gui ?
[01:07:05] <jessicah> punsith: read https://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/BView.html#BView_General
[01:07:08] <Duggan> lol
[01:07:10] <Duggan> no, I'm right, you're wrong, get over it... gcc5 :P
[01:07:12] <Duggan> if there's a way that's documented, why do you need a different way?
[01:07:15] <jessicah> there are functions MoveBy() and MoveTo(), etc.
[01:07:51] <jessicah> if you scroll down just a little
[01:08:17] <Skipp_OSX> also the codebase I'm looking at says gcc4
[01:08:20] <Skipp_OSX> (Paladin)
[01:08:38] <Duggan> grrrrrrrr can't build...
[01:08:54] <Duggan> keeps complaining it can't resolve packages.haiku-os.org... there's a bunch of garbage in the url for gettext_libintl-0.19.8.1-3x86_64.hpkg...is that normal?
[01:09:06] <jessicah> garbage?
[01:09:17] <jessicah> you mean a hash?
[01:10:03] <Duggan> yep :P
[01:10:03] <Duggan> same thing :P
[01:10:20] <jessicah> then yes, that's normal
[01:10:47] <jessicah> see http://packages.haiku-os.org/haikuports/master/repo/x86_64/ for example
[01:10:47] <punsith> because that textView is a funtion , and i only need to enter the name and location when i type BTextView("name") it works but if I add position it wont build
[01:10:50] <jessicah> that 'garbage'
[01:11:28] <jessicah> BTextView("name") is not a function
[01:11:42] <jessicah> it looks like a function, but it's actually different
[01:11:57] <punsith> no mean
[01:12:02] <jessicah> it's invoking what's called a constructor, so it creates a new instance
[01:12:19] <jessicah> you'd do BTextView *textView = new BTextView("name");
[01:12:32] <jessicah> then you can do textView->MoveTo(left, top);
[01:12:39] <Duggan> jessicah, you mean that link you gave me that doesn't come up? :P
[01:12:50] <punsith> https://thepasteb.in/p/58hg5jDm66Puv
[01:13:08] <punsith> jessicah something like this ^
[01:13:16] <jessicah> however, that version of the constructor only works with the layout api
[01:13:24] <jessicah> Duggan: sure
[01:13:25] <jessicah> :p
[01:13:34] <jessicah> something wrong with your internets?
[01:14:04] <Duggan> apparently :P
[01:14:04] <Duggan> because it's not coming up and wget complains during build that it can't resolve the hostname
[01:15:24] <jessicah> punsith: if you're not using the layout api, you can probably do BTextView(BRect(...), "timer", BRect(...), flags)
[01:15:43] <jessicah> where flags is a combination of the values as listed in https://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/BView.html#BView_Constructor
[01:15:45] <Duggan> yes, as a matter of fact, I am :P
[01:15:53] <jessicah> e.g. B_FOLLOW_LEFT | B_FOLLOW_TOP
[01:15:54] <Duggan> and, yes, that garbage :P
[01:16:12] <Skipp_OSX> jessicah, does this look right? http://paste.ubuntu.com/23730788/
[01:16:14] <jessicah> Duggan: you can't resolve packages.haiku-os.org?
[01:16:31] <jessicah> it's working here...
[01:16:37] <Duggan> reset my connection, the page has come up now... we'll see how building goes...
[01:16:53] <punsith> jessicah okay thank you :D
[01:16:55] <jessicah> punsith: you may be able to specify the same rect in both cases
[01:17:09] <jessicah> I'm not well-versed in the BeAPI
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[01:18:28] <punsith> I think MoveTO will work :)
[01:18:45] <jessicah> Duggan: 22.5 minutes again, died
[01:18:52] <jessicah> doing non-parallel build now
[01:18:59] <jessicah> 45 minutes wasted >_<
[01:19:19] <jessicah> I've never had problems like this before
[01:24:59] <Duggan> jessicah have you ever built haiku x86_64 in haiku x86_64? :P
[01:25:00] <Duggan> when I run Haiku, I run it native, and I build in that environment as well.... so I *always* have problems
[01:25:02] <Duggan> failed resolving the host name again...
[01:25:03] <Duggan> this time xslt
[01:25:14] <jessicah> yes
[01:25:31] <Duggan> jessicah, if you do a non-parallel build, you'll just take longer before you fail
[01:25:31] <Duggan> even more wasted time
[01:25:32] <jessicah> well the host name is independent of the file it's trying to get :p
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[01:25:53] <jessicah> unless it's some bizarre race condition, in which case it will succeed :p
[01:26:02] <Duggan> I'm undecided if it's network issues on my end (an electrical storm has been persisting here all day) or something else
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[01:26:14] <jessicah> Duggan: I used to run gcc2h on this desktop 100% of the time
[01:26:25] <jessicah> used my airbook for stuff that wasn't so great in Haiku
[01:26:38] <jessicah> but uefi development, was just easier using a VM under windows
[01:26:45] <jessicah> so now I run Windows most of the time
[01:26:58] <jessicah> Duggan: maybe network issues
[01:27:38] <jessicah> Duggan: I'll look into fixing the gcc package on x86_64 if I ever get this building, too
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[01:27:45] <Duggan> jessicah yes, but we haven't had those sorts of issues for years :P
[01:27:46] <Duggan> when I run Haiku, I run ONLY Haiku... if I have to boot into another OS to do something, it isn't important enough to do :P
[01:27:48] <Duggan> ..... until my computer dies and I have issues installing Haiku on my new computer :P
[01:27:50] <jessicah> so we won't need stupid cross tools
[01:28:00] <jessicah> Duggan: it was usually web page problems
[01:28:09] <punsith> @jessicah thank you MoveTo worked :)
[01:28:09] <jessicah> easier to browse web on the airbook
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[01:28:33] <Duggan> lol
[01:28:33] <Duggan> the gcc package is broke?
[01:28:33] <Duggan> OH yeah...
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[01:28:54] <jessicah> Duggan: but yes, I would even build x86_64 haiku on a gcc2h system
[01:28:57] <jessicah> so it used to work
[01:29:00] <Duggan> last time I was hardcore, WebPositive didn't even support youtube :P webpages are the least of my concern
[01:29:10] <jessicah> I like to read and stuff
[01:29:27] <jessicah> also, torrenting and stuff was terrible
[01:29:35] <jessicah> well, I think it's more that nfs4 is terrible
[01:29:39] <raefaldhia> Hello, why SetTranslation inside AffineTranslation commented?
[01:29:42] <jessicah> I would get kernel panics and stuff
[01:29:57] <jessicah> I torrent everything to my NAS
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[01:30:11] <jessicah> so I needed another system for torrenting
[01:30:14] <Duggan> but did you build it on a 64 bit platform?
[01:30:16] <Duggan> failed on python this time :P
[01:30:26] <jessicah> Duggan: yes, I've done that too
[01:30:27] <Duggan> so probably connection issues on my end...
[01:30:48] <jessicah> I have like half a dozen haiku installs across 3 SSDs
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[01:31:19] <jessicah> and a 90GB BFS partition archived as an image file on my NAS so I could make space for installing windows 10...
[01:31:37] <jessicah> well, it's 90GB on disk
[01:31:40] <Duggan> lol I stick to three when I can :P
[01:31:42] * Duggan vomits
[01:31:51] <jessicah> it was a 300GB partition
[01:32:19] <Duggan> no... windows 10 :P
[01:32:20] <jessicah> at least I could set up smb share from my ubuntu vm to my nas and attach the image file to qemu to access it from a haiku vm....
[01:32:55] <jessicah> can't seem to do the same with virtualbox
[01:33:06] <jessicah> maybe because it doesn't have a partition table? I dunno
[01:33:10] <Duggan> I try to stay away from Linux too... I'm allergic to the GPL
[01:33:11] <Duggan> makes me break out in hives
[01:33:17] <jessicah> ;)
[01:33:28] <jessicah> it's good for building stuff
[01:33:32] <jessicah> that's all I use it for
[01:34:06] <Duggan> besides the BeOS being as awesome as it was, the fact that Haiku is MIT licensed is bloody well amazing :D
[01:34:15] <Begasus> unbuntu is still my main OS here, no Windows for me (aside from work) :)
[01:34:51] <Duggan> like I said, the GPL makes me break out in hives :P
[01:35:23] <Begasus> as a regular end-user it doesn't bother me :)
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[01:35:41] <Skipp_OSX> question nobody will know the answer to, where is libroot.so located on BeOS R5?
[01:35:51] <Begasus> I can do all my stuff on it .. that's what's counts
[01:36:05] <Skipp_OSX> is it /boot/develop/lib/x86/libroot.so or /boot/beos/lib/x86/libroot.so or /boot/beos/lib/libroot.so ?
[01:36:24] <Skipp_OSX> on x86 I mean...
[01:36:39] <jessicah> there's no x86 on beos
[01:36:44] <jessicah> that's a Haiku hybrid thing
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[01:37:01] <jessicah> it will be in the library path
[01:37:02] <Skipp_OSX> jessicah, hmmmmmmm really?
[01:37:08] <jessicah> pretty sure?
[01:37:26] <Skipp_OSX> I'll have to look it up when I get a chance
[01:37:27] <Begasus> I can do all my stuff on it .. that's what's counts 2.95?
[01:37:31] <jessicah> just echo $LIBRARY_PATH and check those folders
[01:37:50] <Skipp_OSX> jessicah, if I were on BeOS you mean
[01:37:51] <Begasus> BeOS latest compiler was something like 2.95?
[01:38:03] <jessicah> yes
[01:38:10] <jessicah> Skipp_OSX: yes
[01:38:15] <jessicah> why does it even matter?
[01:38:17] <Begasus> numlock should be enabled as default on Haiku :)
[01:38:30] <jessicah> yes :|
[01:38:31] <Skipp_OSX> jessicah, trying to add libroot.so to new project on Paladin
[01:38:50] <jessicah> you shouldn't need to
[01:38:56] <jessicah> gcc links it in automatically
[01:38:57] <Begasus> don't have the CD at hand here (well not right away)
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[01:39:31] <jessicah> libroot is the equivalent of libc on linux; you don't include libc explicitly on linux
[01:39:43] <Skipp_OSX> Begasus, how dare you! (that's okay :))
[01:40:18] <Skipp_OSX> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23730788/ so you're saying I can take out http://paste.ubuntu.com/23730788/
[01:40:23] <Skipp_OSX> newproj->AddLibrary("/boot/develop/lib/x86/libroot.so");
[01:40:24] <Skipp_OSX> sorry
[01:40:27] <Begasus> it's at my feet :P
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[01:41:13] <Begasus> don't have a running R5 anymore (nore anything prior to Haiku)
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[01:44:24] <jessicah> Skipp_OSX: yes
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[01:47:00] <Vidrep> Begasus, I picked up an old PIII for BeOS not so long ago. The nostalga wore off pretty fast.
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[01:47:50] <Begasus> don't have the hardware here to run BeOS native again I think Vidrep :/
[01:48:06] <Begasus> but that's the past ...
[01:49:20] <Vidrep> I loved BeOS back in the day, but after using Haiku then going back to BeOS - nah
[01:49:25] <jessicah> I think vmware can still run BeOS, can't it?
[01:49:27] <Begasus> starting to think of it ... almost 17 years BeOS ...
[01:49:38] <Begasus> hehe
[01:49:50] <Begasus> well BeOS'sh
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[01:50:52] <Vidrep> I'm dumping those old PC's next week. I'll probably never run BeOS again.
[01:51:03] <Skipp_OSX> jessicah, yeah I have a VMWare BeOS at home
[01:51:08] <Begasus> seen OBOS starting up, Maxdeveloperdedition(?), PhOS, ZETA ... Haiku kept developing
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[01:51:29] <Duggan> alright, looks like that was the last of it...
[01:51:39] <Skipp_OSX> Paladin won't compile on BeOS anymore anyway, but I suppose you could create BeOS apps using it still
[01:52:08] <jessicah> Skipp_OSX: eh, a use case not worth preserving
[01:52:18] <jessicah> people could always use an older version of Paladin I suppose
[01:52:27] <Duggan> for BeOS?
[01:52:28] <Skipp_OSX> jessicah, or BeIDE
[01:52:39] <jessicah> I loved BeIDE back in the day :D
[01:52:48] <jessicah> Duggan: mm
[01:52:59] <jessicah> Duggan: still building cross tools...
[01:53:01] <Duggan> people still develop on BeOS? :/
[01:53:19] <jessicah> I'd hope not
[01:53:33] <Duggan> I'm telling you it's going to fail anyway :P
[01:53:33] <Duggan> hope is such a silly thing :P
[01:53:37] <jessicah> maybe TT Systems?
[01:54:01] <Vidrep> We're lucky to have the sources to some of the old BeOS apps. Too many disappeared forever.
[01:54:05] <jessicah> well, I think they've migrated to Haiku now?
[01:54:09] <Begasus> don't think Dane still hangs around on BeOS, I think he moved to haiku
[01:54:16] <Duggan> are they the ones that develop that radio software that's still used?
[01:54:25] <jessicah> yup
[01:54:26] <Begasus> yep
[01:54:32] <Duggan> ah
[01:54:52] <Begasus> he still hops in here from time to time
[01:55:32] <Duggan> I remember how amazed I was at BeOS... crank it up, boots in no time, works like a charm out of the box and FAST
[01:56:03] <Duggan> and then it died :'(
[01:56:18] <jessicah> yeah :(
[01:56:20] <jessicah> sadness
[01:56:22] <Duggan> yet it lives on inside our hearts :')
[01:56:23] <Begasus> and then search for a bootmanager that could select BeOS to boot
[01:56:24] <ohnx> how do i set up a chroot env in haiku?
[01:56:33] <Begasus> +1 Duggan
[01:56:41] <ohnx> like how haikuporter does it
[01:56:55] <Skipp_OSX> nobody develops for BeOS anymore. Paladin is just bitching because it is looking for libroot.so and libbe.so in the locations they were on BeOS (supposedly) and then can't find them, of course they've been moved in Haiku that's why
[01:57:02] <jessicah> Duggan: although I'm kind of glad it never ended up as the basis for OSX
[01:57:03] <Duggan> Begasus I just double clicked the icon on my windows 98 desktop :P
[01:57:16] <jessicah> their shitty UI/UX on top of the BeOS.. yuck
[01:57:18] <Vidrep> It was a fun time too. BeOS never took themselves too seriously e.g. The Haiku messages, BeGroovy, and cartoonish icons
[01:57:42] <Begasus> I had a bootmanager back then that enabled me to choose, don't remember the name anymore though Duggan
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[01:57:53] <jessicah> I just used bootman
[01:58:33] <Vidrep> We need a PR guy for Haiku like Scot Hacker
[01:58:52] <Duggan> I didn't need one... I had an icon :P
[01:58:55] <Duggan> we need PR period.
[01:59:30] <Vidrep> We need good PR. A decent Beta will help
[01:59:40] <Duggan> when was the last time that website did an article on Haiku? you know... that one that did articles on Haiku... :P
[02:00:07] <Skipp_OSX> jessicah, BeOS would have not worked very well at Apple I'm afraid...
[02:00:19] <Vidrep> DaaT does the odd Haiku article
[02:00:26] <Duggan> I don't think the beta will be decent with things as they are... unstable 64 bit platform, unable to compile reliably on it... uefi hack... no 3d hw accel
[02:00:31] <Skipp_OSX> jessicah, it was BeOS DR8 or R3 at the time or something it was missing a lot
[02:00:59] <Vidrep> No press in the Linux sites since the last Alpha though
[02:01:02] <Begasus> haven't seen the black sheep in a long time now (DaaT) :)
[02:01:10] <Skipp_OSX> jessicah, it would have been a big job just replicating the feature set of System 7 alone
[02:02:30] <Skipp_OSX> and you'd still need to develop a Carbon equivalent for compat...
[02:02:52] <Begasus> we've had a BeOS user group here in Belgium in those days (BeBUG) ... but it also died ...
[02:03:33] <Duggan> JLG was the COO at Apple before he got pissed with them, left, and started Be Inc. right?
[02:03:36] <Duggan> I don't think JLG would have resolved things with Apple to return to them and bring the Be Inc. codebase along...
[02:03:42] <Duggan> I'd like to start or join a HUG one day...
[02:04:22] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, I don't think that JLG would have solved Apple's management problems the way Jobs did...
[02:04:42] <Skipp_OSX> that is everyone out the door time for my friends to take over :)
[02:04:44] <Begasus> would be nice, but I doubt there are many Haiku users in Belgium :/
[02:04:59] <Duggan> Skipp_OSX probably not, but I though he took Jobs' place when he left the first time?
[02:05:00] <Skipp_OSX> on the plus side, MacOS would have a decent file system :)
[02:05:06] <Duggan> lol
[02:05:09] <Begasus> ;)
[02:05:58] <Duggan> I think y'all are looking at a hypothetical situation that never would have happened anyway
[02:06:06] <Duggan> MacOS and BeOS were two completely different entities whose paths never would have crossed, even if Be Inc. had remained viable
[02:06:46] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, you would think large parts of MacOS would be ported over though
[02:06:59] <Begasus> one can dream ... but then again, I'll never buy a MacOS
[02:07:11] <Duggan> Apple wanted Mac to go one direction, JLG wanted it to go another, he didn't get his way so he started Be... and would have succeeded if it weren't for the BeIA mistake... but supposedly Be was already in trouble and IA was supposed to be a last ditch effort to save the company...
[02:07:20] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, you would need to run System 7 apps somehow
[02:08:08] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, The BeIA mistake was more the BeAI last ditch effort to make money before the shows all over, remember to dot com crash?
[02:08:13] <Duggan> Skipp_OSX I don't want to run Mac or Apple *anything* :P
[02:08:14] <Duggan> if I did, I'd buy a mac or iphone :P
[02:08:36] <Duggan> I said that :P
[02:08:41] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, in this alternative universe though Apple bought Be and used BeOS to create the next version of MacOS
[02:09:06] <Duggan> then maybe a Mac would have been worth buying :P
[02:09:06] <Duggan> but it didn't happen
[02:09:39] <Vidrep> We control what happens with Haiku
[02:09:46] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, sure didn't, and thankfully so
[02:10:01] <Skipp_OSX> well, except for poor BeOS which got the shaft
[02:10:08] <Duggan> jessicah, when building x86_64, does it end with a bunch of _ReadBuffer(0xblahblahblah, 80) failed to read data: Data read partially errors?
[02:10:25] <Duggan> vidrep, we do... Skipp_OSX yeah :(
[02:11:54] <Duggan> (or what I assume to be errors)
[02:11:54] <Duggan> Vidrep but we're kind of failing...
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[02:13:17] <Vidrep> Duggan, I know development is as slow as molasses in January, but if we don't get sloppy, we might have a good thing here shortly
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[02:14:40] <Vidrep> Announcing a January 31 deadline kind of put everybody on their toes. I'm seeing a lot of good things happening
[02:15:26] <Skipp_OSX> I almost have Deskbar width working
[02:15:43] <Skipp_OSX> really want to get that in if I can
[02:16:17] <Vidrep> Skipp_OSX, there are a bunch of windowing issues, that if fixed would give Haiku a more polished look
[02:16:32] <Skipp_OSX> Vidrep, what kinds of windowing issues?
[02:16:45] <Begasus> getting sdl_perl to work would be nice also, then I could finish the frozen-bubble thing :)
[02:17:13] <KapiX> is there a place I can report packages in repo incompatible with other packages? (besides Trac)
[02:17:39] <Begasus> hi KapiX
[02:17:48] <Begasus> long time no see
[02:18:01] <Vidrep> Skipp_OSX, heres an example (now 6 years old): https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/7560
[02:18:04] <KapiX> hi Begasus
[02:18:07] <KapiX> indeed
[02:18:08] <jessicah> Skipp_OSX: eh, UEFI isn't a hack
[02:18:12] <jessicah> it's a work in progress
[02:18:29] <jessicah> Duggan: cross compiler built!
[02:18:30] <jessicah> yay
[02:18:38] <jessicah> see, non-parallel build worked :p
[02:18:40] <Duggan> Vidrep I mean, when the last alpha came out, everybody was screaming about how great it's going to be that we're going to have a new alpha on a set schedule and we have a beta coming up and everything... frankly, I don't see a lot of changes (and admittedly most changes aren't visible) from 5 years ago when I was last here often...
[02:18:52] <jessicah> 45 minutes....
[02:18:54] <Duggan> jessicah lol congrats :P
[02:18:54] <Duggan> how long?
[02:19:30] <Skipp_OSX> unfortunately I have to go
[02:19:40] <Skipp_OSX> jessicah, I never said UEFI was a hack...
[02:19:58] <Vidrep> That was Duggan
[02:20:03] <Skipp_OSX> Vidrep, that bug does annoy me, stupid Team monitor window
[02:20:17] <jessicah> oh, that was Duggan
[02:20:18] <jessicah> whoops
[02:20:22] <jessicah> sorry
[02:20:45] <Vidrep> Skipp_OSX, I can find a few more
[02:20:56] <jessicah> MkDir1 /boot/home/haiku/generated/objects
[02:20:56] <jessicah> vfork: Out of memory
[02:20:58] <jessicah> lulz
[02:21:01] <Skipp_OSX> Vidrep, ok, I'll be back later
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[02:23:16] <jessicah> Vidrep: ah, I've been meaning to look into that
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[02:24:46] <Vidrep> jessicah, while that kind of stuff doesn't affect functionality or cause a crash, it gives a bad impression
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[02:25:22] <Duggan2> what if we had a windows program where we could just select a Haiku image, select a USB drive, then have it install to the USB drive to boot on a UEFI system and run the installer? also finding a way to boot without requiring the USB drive to be present would be a bonus...
[02:25:43] <Duggan2> or: just run the program and it downloads the image itself...
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[02:30:20] <jessicah> Duggan: not requiring the USB drive is a work in progress
[02:30:32] <jessicah> the UEFI loader is still in development :p
[02:30:37] <Duggan> yay!
[02:30:48] <Duggan> aka: a hack :P
[02:31:17] <Duggan> I'M KIDDING!
[02:31:33] <jessicah> what the... jam just segfaulted
[02:32:27] <jessicah> consistently
[02:32:29] <Begasus> going down here, g'night all
[02:32:46] <jessicah> maybe I need more RAM assigned.... o.o
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[02:40:41] <Duggan> jessicah, when building x86_64, is it supposed to end with several _ReadBuffer errors?
[02:40:52] <jessicah> I've not seen that before
[02:40:59] <jessicah> jam -j4 segfaults here
[02:41:08] <jessicah> I have to use a non-parallel build
[02:41:25] <Duggan> well it's not failing, it just finishes with 6 _ReadBuffer statements saying "failed to read data: Data read partially"
[02:41:38] <jessicah> weird
[02:41:52] <jessicah> maybe you have corrupted packages downloaded?
[02:42:11] <Duggan> probably, considering how many times it failed to download them...
[02:42:44] <Duggan> 1: what was the file that specified which packages to download? and 2: which directory are they stored in so I can delete them and redownload them?
[02:43:55] <Duggan> I didn't change which version of gawk to download before I restarted so I lost all that info
[02:44:04] <Duggan> no wait, the tabs reloaded in WebPositive, so I should be able to get the jamfile...
[02:44:05] <Duggan> to change it
[02:46:02] <Duggan> ok, changed that...
[02:46:31] <jessicah> downloads
[02:46:37] <jessicah> and extracted to build_packages
[02:46:40] <jessicah> both under generated
[02:47:17] <Duggan> gen/download ... got that too :)
[02:47:19] <Duggan> thanks :)
[02:47:26] <Duggan> jamming again... should have the proper gawk package too... I hope...
[02:48:02] <Duggan> working with me is fun, ain't it? :D you get to learn about all sorts of errors and complexities you never saw before :D
[02:49:00] <jessicah> huh, need more than 2GB of RAM with 64-bit haiku
[02:49:07] <jessicah> for jam to not segfault
[02:49:23] <jessicah> bizarre
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[02:49:47] <jessicah> it's always good to kill off bugs
[02:50:02] <Duggan> I'm good at finding them :P
[02:50:08] <Duggan> actually, I think they find me :(
[02:52:02] <Duggan> wtf?..... "ERROR: would need to download <somestuff> but HAIKU_NO_DOWNLOADS is set!"?.....
[02:52:02] <Duggan> I didn't set anything of the sort...
[02:54:16] <Duggan> DownloadLocatedFile1 <blahblahblah>gcc_syslibs_devel-<blahblah>.hpkg <blahblahblahblah> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found........
[02:55:01] <Duggan> which means the server itself is being contacted and is saying the request is invalid... so something is completely not setup right.... it's not entirely my fault :P
[02:58:16] <Duggan> indeed, no directory starting with 3333[...] exists...
[02:58:17] <Duggan> DownloadLocatedFile1 /boot/home/Desktop/Repos/haiku/generated.x86_64/download/gcc_syslibs_devel-5.4.0_2016_06_04-4-x86_64.hpkg --2017-01-02 19:56:05-- http://packages.haiku-os.org/haikuports/master/repo/x86_64/33335371aae485dbc0d916a44d760adce86133a3f6b0df15fe96fe12cc93a12b/packages/gcc_syslibs_devel-5.4.0_2016_06_04-4-x86_64.hpkg
[02:58:32] <Duggan> this thing working? jessicah, what did you get from me last?
[03:00:41] <jessicah> yes it's working
[03:00:52] <jessicah> oh, it's probably because you changed that repository file...
[03:05:40] <Duggan> not for that package
[03:05:41] <Duggan> just for gawk
[03:05:43] <Duggan> not for that package, just gawk
[03:05:45] <Duggan> my internet is about to drive me to violence against inanimate objects...
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[03:11:59] <Vidrep> Is stippi still active? I have a few trac tickets that automatically assigned to him, but I'm thinking he's not ever going to see them...
[03:12:42] <Vidrep> Mostly they are MediaPlayer or associated type tickets
[03:13:03] <Duggan> I'm pretty sure I see him in the email list occasionally...
[03:13:45] <Vidrep> I see him on/off of IRC as well, but usually no active participation in any discussions
[03:14:21] <Vidrep> Real life has him preoccupied
[03:18:32] <Duggan> maybe... it happens... been 5 years since I've been active
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[03:19:11] <Vidrep> So I see: https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/dewey_taylor/2011-10-27_new_work_affine_scheduler
[03:21:17] <Vidrep> Most of the people in that thread are still active
[03:21:52] <Vidrep> I've seen you pop in to IRC every once in a while. Welcome back!
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[03:27:21] <jessicah> Duggan: no, it generates a hash from the whole file, as I understand it
[03:27:31] <jessicah> so changing the file changes the generated URL
[03:27:36] <Vidrep> Duggan, is your work along the same lines as what Pawel did?
[03:27:42] <Duggan> thanks :)
[03:27:46] <jessicah> it's a pretty terrible design
[03:27:56] <Duggan> yeah, every once in a while, just to check up on things... like I said before, if I'm in Haiku, I run native and self-host
[03:28:27] <Duggan> jessicah but I didn't change it for that package :'(
[03:28:30] <Vidrep> dinner time :)
[03:28:42] <ohnx> go ohnx!
[03:28:42] <Duggan> Vidrep I'm not aware of what Pawel did, but I was playing with the scheduler for a while
[03:29:06] <jessicah> Duggan: the "garbage" in the URL is the hash of the repository
[03:29:11] <Duggan> then I switched to the graphics and let someone more competent than myself take over the scheduler work... there were other people playing with it at the time anyway
[03:29:34] <ohnx> jessicah: hash of the commit right?
[03:29:53] <jessicah> no, hash of the repo file
[03:29:59] <ohnx> oh
[03:30:10] <ohnx> carp
[03:30:24] <Duggan> jessicah I know, but I didn't change the package it can't find.... unless changing one changes them all
[03:30:25] <ohnx> i have a file that is generated by a go tool, but that needs go to run
[03:30:26] <ohnx> '>.>
[03:30:39] <jessicah> it generates a repo file from the text description, and uses the hash for the repo..
[03:31:08] <jessicah> Duggan: no, my point is changing the file at all generates a new repo definition => new hash
[03:31:32] <jessicah> so changing the version of gawk in the file changes the repo definition, new hash generated
[03:31:38] <Duggan> I hate to sound condescending, but who's bright idea was that!?
[03:31:50] <jessicah> either olta or ingo
[03:31:57] <jessicah> they did package management
[03:32:23] <jessicah> yeah, it's all a bit of a hash
[03:32:36] <Duggan> if by hash, you mean hack, yes :P
[03:32:46] <jessicah> it also makes testing builds before uploading new packages a royal pain too
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[03:45:25] <Duggan> so my computer died...
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[03:47:18] <Duggan> anyway... how do I rollback changes with git?
[03:47:26] <Duggan> I tried git reset --hard HEAD and it did nothing
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[03:50:46] <Duggan> nevermind, I just manually edited the file back...
[03:53:14] <Vidrep> I'm calling it a day. Goodnight all
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[04:03:25] <Duggan> jessicah, still getting those _ReadBuffer errors...
[04:03:57] <jessicah> I'm still looking into gawk atm
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[04:08:17] <Skipp_OSX> jessicah, libroot.so is indeed found in /boot/develop/lib/x86/libroot.so on BeOS R5
[04:09:39] <Skipp_OSX> it is a symlink to /boot/beos/system/lib/libroot.so
[04:10:05] <Duggan> there's another problem that's more than an annoyance than anything... apparently I've got the wrong version of most programs installed because anytime I double click a file, it can't open the default program to open the file because it's "not an executable" but if I find or open with and pick the proper executable (in /boot/system/...) it works fine
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[04:10:40] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, seems like mime_db is not working
[04:10:56] <Duggan> ah
[04:11:41] <Duggan> known issue?
[04:15:21] <Skipp_OSX> Duggan, maybe you should start a list... I don't think x86_64 gets a lot of use
[04:15:32] <jessicah> Duggan: I've had that sort of problem before too
[04:16:23] <jessicah> but for other reasons
[04:16:46] * Duggan probably doesn't want to know...
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[04:19:02] <Duggan> you mean I have to remember my Trac login credentials? :'(
[04:19:37] <jessicah> :(
[04:19:41] <Skipp_OSX> jessicah, x86 probably vs powerpc in this case
[04:19:55] <jessicah> I can give you a password and then you can change it
[04:20:01] <jessicah> Duggan: what's your username?
[04:20:09] <jessicah> Skipp_OSX: ah prolly
[04:21:23] <jessicah> Duggan: did you get a reset email?
[04:21:43] <jessicah> gah, I can't even build gawk-4.1.0
[04:22:28] <Duggan> eh I guess it depends on if I signed up with my gmail or yahoo emails...
[04:23:28] <jessicah> gmail
[04:23:45] <Duggan> not that I see... lemme check spam
[04:24:36] <Duggan> yep... in spam :/
[04:27:19] <Duggan> alrighty...
[04:29:21] <IIsi50MHz> Duggan, you found the Haiku Depot option to not limit the initial list to recommended packages.
[04:29:47] <IIsi50MHz> jess mentioned, but the context had changed.
[04:30:22] * IIsi50MHz casts Retroactive Tab-completion
[04:30:41] <Duggan> IIsi50MHz no... ..... wait.... yes?....
[04:30:58] <Duggan> "Only featured packages" was always greyed out before, but now it's not?
[04:31:40] <IIsi50MHz> (:
[04:32:14] <Duggan> that being said, "All Categories" works, but if you pick one, still nothing shows up... so is nothing categorised?
[04:33:05] <Duggan> I guess changing my gawk version fixed it? :P that's all I've done... unless that setting comes from the server and you changed something :P
[04:33:25] <IIsi50MHz> ...which hrev? And are you on 64?
[04:33:39] <IIsi50MHz> I only run gcc2h. ›.›
[04:33:43] <Duggan> not sure the hrev right now, about doesn't show up... and yes, 64
[04:34:07] <IIsi50MHz> In Terminal, do: uname -a
[04:34:20] <Duggan> 50800
[04:34:20] <jessicah> korli does a lot of package building for x86_64... how does he not have these problems?
[04:34:35] <Duggan> he cross compiles and doesn't test? :P
[04:34:40] <jessicah> :p
[04:34:42] <IIsi50MHz> Newer than mine. Hrm.
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[04:34:50] <IIsi50MHz> heh
[04:34:52] <Duggan> or maybe he's so used to all the issues he doesn't see them anymore...
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[04:35:29] <Duggan> that happens you know.... even to ME :P
[04:36:31] <IIsi50MHz> ouch.
[04:36:54] <Duggan> hehe
[04:37:54] <ohnx> anyone know if zhuowei or brunoga still do haiku stuff?
[04:38:33] <jessicah> haven't seen zhouwei about in long time
[04:39:00] <jessicah> oh, bga, I'm not sure
[04:39:57] <Duggan> jessicah, I assume I need to append my build issues to https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/10815
[04:41:56] <jessicah> sure
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[04:58:20] <Duggan> ok, that's one...
[05:01:19] <jessicah> building stuff in a haiku vm sucks
[05:01:24] * jessicah boots up on the airbook
[05:01:29] <Duggan> that's why I don't :P
[05:02:16] <Duggan> I don't understand why people still insist on cross compiling
[05:02:43] <ohnx> > airbook
[05:03:04] <Duggan> if compiling is slow, fix it, don't run from it... if it's broken, fix it, don't run from it... nothing gets better by NOT using Haiku
[05:05:36] * jessicah sighs
[05:05:50] <jessicah> ~200KB/s cloning on the airbook
[05:06:53] <jessicah> that's just messed up
[05:07:10] <jessicah> I was getting 2-4MB/s under VM
[05:08:08] <jessicah> it doesn't seem to be a general problem in haiku, if it can get 2-4MB/s in virtualbox
[05:08:18] <Duggan> probably driver issues
[05:08:27] <jessicah> mm
[05:08:41] <Duggan> people use it in VMs enough that that driver has seen enough loving to optimise it... native drivers not so much
[05:08:46] <jessicah> but like an order of magnitude slower? ;(
[05:08:56] <Duggan> welcome to my world :)
[05:10:00] <Duggan> probably a lot less stable too :P
[05:13:22] <jessicah> just crazy
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[05:22:23] <Ace__> wow, i overslept, lol
[05:22:32] <ohnx> :)
[05:22:54] <ohnx> wifi maybe, jessicah ?
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[05:23:40] <Ace__> http://collabedit.com/3ddf9 <== my full recipe of figlet
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[05:23:49] <ohnx> hullo Stephanie
[05:24:24] <Stephanie> Oh hi
[05:24:25] <Stephanie> didn't realize I had disconnected and reconnected
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[05:24:48] <jessicah> ohnx: no, it's ethernet
[05:24:53] <jessicah> wired*
[05:25:14] <ohnx> oh like an adapter?
[05:26:50] <Duggan> uh oh... I just downloaded mesa ;)
[05:27:55] <jessicah> ohnx: yes
[05:28:06] <jessicah> it's a thunderbolt to ethernet adapter
[05:28:08] <ohnx> maybe that's why?
[05:28:20] <jessicah> uh, thunderbolt is pretty fast
[05:28:27] <jessicah> it's just an external PCIe bus
[05:28:39] <jessicah> as far as haiku is concerned, looks like an internal ethernet adapter
[05:28:42] <jessicah> it's not shitty usb
[05:28:51] <ohnx> k then
[05:29:08] <jessicah> thunderbolt is so much better than usb for stuff like that
[05:29:21] <jessicah> uh, what the heckle
[05:29:31] <jessicah> virtualbox said my ubuntu vm was stopped
[05:29:45] <ohnx> what are you trying to do, jessicah ? build haiku?
[05:29:54] <Duggan> >:D
[05:29:56] <jessicah> and then I couldn't open settings or anything, so I removed it; now i try to add it back, and it turns out the vm is still running...
[05:29:59] <jessicah> how to shut it down
[05:30:11] <Duggan> power button usually works for me...
[05:30:30] <jessicah> oh, I still have a shell up
[05:30:32] <jessicah> duh
[05:30:42] <Duggan> step 1: uninstall ubuntu
[05:30:43] <Duggan> :P
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[05:36:24] <Duggan> hmmm all the system paths have changed...
[05:36:48] <Duggan> well, not all necessarily... but no more /boot/develop
[05:38:24] <jessicah> Ace__: oh, I made some changes to that collabedit thing
[05:38:26] <jessicah> did you see?
[05:38:46] <Ace__> ooou, not yet... i will see it
[05:42:24] <jessicah> gah, fixed it
[05:43:04] <Duggan> where are the standard include directories these days?
[05:43:19] <jessicah> uh /boot/system/develop/headers
[05:43:41] <Duggan> in an old makefile I've got, they used to be in /boot/develop/headers and I guess /boot/home/config/include
[05:43:56] <Duggan> oh :|
[05:44:05] <Ace__> hmm, let me try, thanks jessicah
[05:44:08] <Duggan> thanks
[05:52:23] <Ace__> still got an error
[05:53:22] <jessicah> which is?
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[05:54:35] <Ace__> in collab, from line 59
[05:57:08] <jessicah> hmm
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[06:01:50] <jessicah> you may have to patch the sources
[06:02:14] <jessicah> in workdir/sources/figlet225
[06:02:19] <jessicah> edit utf8.h
[06:02:27] <Ace__> hm?? patch the sources?
[06:02:48] <jessicah> and remove the __BEGIN_DECLS and __END_DECLS lines
[06:02:52] <jessicah> see if that helps a little
[06:02:54] <jessicah> yes
[06:03:06] <jessicah> or perhaps try an older version of figlet
[06:03:19] <jessicah> 2.2.2 doesn't have the utf8 files
[06:03:47] <Ace__> hmm, i wanna try the older version, but when i make a pull req on github, i should use the latest version
[06:04:05] <jessicah> an older version will be fine
[06:04:40] <Ace__> 222? in that recipe, its 2.2.5
[06:04:55] <jessicah> yes, you'd rename it to 2.2.2
[06:05:11] <scottmc> yeah Ace__ if there is an issue with the newer version we will accept the 222 one instead
[06:05:31] <Ace__> ah, okay...
[06:05:34] <Ace__> i'll try
[06:06:32] <ohnx> heyo scottmc!
[06:06:43] <scottmc> ohnx lives?
[06:06:54] <ohnx> apparently yes :)
[06:07:05] <scottmc> ohnx doing any more tasks?
[06:07:14] <ohnx> i was doing the gnu-efi one
[06:07:21] <ohnx> submitted a pr but haven't heard back yet
[06:07:33] <ohnx> i'm also trying to port go, but that's just for fun
[06:08:02] <jessicah> can you not use an older version of go to build the new version of go?
[06:08:08] <ohnx> no
[06:08:14] <jessicah> what the
[06:08:19] <ohnx> 1.3 barely works since google code stopped working
[06:08:26] <ohnx> 1.5 needs 1.4 to build
[06:08:28] <jessicah> modern languages gotta suck
[06:08:33] <ohnx> so i'm trying to build 1.4 right now
[06:08:37] <jessicah> so build 1.4 with 1.3?
[06:08:42] <jessicah> then 1.5 with 1.4?
[06:08:59] <ohnx> i think 1.4 is built with C
[06:09:08] <ohnx> it is *
[06:09:48] <ohnx> what i'm doing right now is just copying code from the 1.3 fork to the 1.4 fork that i have
[06:09:56] <jessicah> mm
[06:10:03] <ohnx> most things have stayed the same, luckily
[06:14:56] <Duggan> well, I got the Drafter system to run at least... well, what I had...
[06:15:46] <Ace__> hmm, building package done...
[06:16:44] <Ace__> when i type figlet in terminal, ./figlet: permission denied
[06:17:27] <ohnx> Ace__: you isntalled it?
[06:17:32] <ohnx> or just built the package
[06:17:34] <jessicah> did you install the package first?
[06:17:52] <ohnx> also to run a systemwide installed package, no need for the ./
[06:18:01] <Ace__> built it first
[06:18:06] <Ace__> then try to install it
[06:18:56] <Ace__> hmm, i just type figlet, without "./", but that's the terminal output
[06:21:03] <jessicah> I don't understand
[06:21:10] <jessicah> if you just type figlet
[06:21:15] <jessicah> then enter some text and hit enter
[06:22:28] <Ace__> ~> figlet
[06:22:41] <Ace__> bash: ./figlet: Permission denied
[06:25:50] <Duggan> apparently the graphics_server is crashing though :(
[06:37:31] <jessicah> Ace__: can you do ls -l /boot/system/bin
[06:37:36] <jessicah> and show the line for figlet
[06:47:14] <Duggan> ok, so there's this runtime library my program needs access to... where can I copy it so the runtime loader finds it? (/boot/system/libs is readonly)
[06:48:33] <Duggan> /boot/system/lib I mean
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[06:51:30] <jessicah> did you install your created package?
[06:51:46] <Ace__> yep
[06:54:40] <jessicah> where did you install it?
[06:55:15] <jessicah> in /boot/system/packages or /boot/home/config/packages
[06:56:26] <Ace__> hmm, i dunno, i just press install... from /boot/home/haikuports/packages
[06:58:49] <Duggan> any help out there?
[07:04:11] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: /boot/system/non-packaged/lib/
[07:04:54] <PulkoMandy> alternatively a lib/ folder next to your app, if you don't want to change the system
[07:05:12] <Duggan> excellent, thank you, PulkoMandy :D
[07:16:08] <Duggan> ok, now where are crash reports stored :/
[07:16:09] <Duggan> lol
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[07:25:13] <PulkoMandy> on the desktop?
[07:25:51] <Duggan> looked, I guess I missed it.... thanks :/
[07:39:59] <scottmc> Stephanie I'll let humdinger review your icons. He's gonna ask for the IOM files as well, as he did on the other instance of the task as well.
[07:40:38] <Stephanie> scottmc thanks - I'll add those in as a comment.
[07:41:17] <scottmc> also post png exports of them as well so we can preview them if reviewing on an OS other than Haiku.
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[07:42:39] <scottmc> Stephanie, if you didn't already, you should open some of the orignal icons for the app and see how they named the various icon parts, yours should follow that same sort of format.
[07:43:47] <Stephanie> Ok cool
[07:44:07] <scottmc> you might even use one of them as a base for starting each of yours. although you seem to be past that point already. We will likely open a second instance of the task so we can get a few more of the missing ones added. Watch for humdingers review for details.
[07:44:57] <scottmc> We also need a way to mark off which ones students have completed and probably have them state which ones they plan to work on when they claim the next task.
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[08:39:00] <jrabbit> oh of course there's a logic problem in the like 6 year old code :P
[08:56:02] <Duggan> ok I feel like an idiot having to ask this... is there a paint program for 64 bit?
[08:57:25] <humdinger> Duggan: you could tr building becasso or artpaint
[08:57:41] <humdinger> the recipes say ?x86_64. so, not tested....
[08:58:13] <Duggan> I don't see any sources for those in the depot, where can I get them?
[08:59:02] <humdinger> best would be to build with haikuporter.
[08:59:06] <humdinger> else: https://github.com/orangejua/Becasso
[08:59:20] <humdinger> and https://github.com/HaikuArchives/ArtPaint
[09:01:58] <Duggan> thanks, humdinger
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[09:30:02] <Begasus> morning
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[09:30:22] <humdinger> Hey Begasus!
[09:31:03] <humdinger> Hey KapiX
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[09:31:15] <KapiX> Hi humdinger
[09:31:16] <Begasus> hi humdinger!
[09:31:28] <humdinger> KapiX: do you plan to continue working on Koder?
[09:31:34] <Begasus> hi KapiX, still awake? :)
[09:31:37] <KapiX> If time permits
[09:31:49] <KapiX> Begasus, yup, don't ask ;)
[09:32:00] <Begasus> ;)
[09:32:11] <humdinger> I'd suggest waiting with translations untill it's more mature.
[09:32:20] <humdinger> updating translations is a PITA...
[09:32:29] <KapiX> yeah, I thought the same thing
[09:32:44] <KapiX> the issue is that I don't know when I will have time to advance it further
[09:32:46] <humdinger> and getting people to translate stuff is difficult enough once, its worse when doing stuff several time. :)
[09:32:57] <KapiX> my gihtub history shows that pretty painfully
[09:33:07] <KapiX> makes sense
[09:33:11] <humdinger> KapiX: Maybe it's worth having it remain English-only for now.
[09:33:47] <humdinger> While translating, I found a few English strings that could be improved.
[09:33:55] <humdinger> Wanna have a PR for those?
[09:34:24] <humdinger> You can still choose to not apply it all... :)
[09:34:49] <humdinger> e.g. "EOLs" I would use Line endings
[09:34:55] <humdinger> stuff like that
[09:35:02] <KapiX> yes, PRs welcome
[09:35:13] <humdinger> cool. I'll look into it
[09:36:16] <humdinger> Also, I use Brian's script to sort the en.catkeys before translating: https://github.com/humdingerb/clipdinger/blob/master/locales/sort_catkeys.sh
[09:36:33] <humdinger> it's nice, because it keeps all the strings of one context together.
[09:36:39] <humdinger> makes translation easier.
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[10:02:54] <Begasus> KapiX .... where do you find libyaml_cpp? can't seem to find it with pkgman or haikuporter
[10:03:10] <KapiX> dev-cpp/yaml_cpp
[10:04:09] <Begasus> k thanks :)
[10:04:36] <KapiX> I have put compiled version in my repo
[10:06:37] <Begasus> also for Koder?
[10:06:43] <KapiX> yes
[10:06:56] <KapiX> there should be everything you need to install or build it
[10:09:12] <Begasus> *** failed to find a match for "koder": Name not found
[10:09:23] <KapiX> ?
[10:09:23] <Begasus> just added your repo with pkgman
[10:09:32] <KapiX> that's interesting
[10:09:33] <Begasus> pkgman install koder ...
[10:09:48] <Begasus> is I search it shows up though
[10:10:03] <Begasus> in search
[10:10:25] <KapiX> works for me
[10:10:39] <KapiX> which arch?
[10:10:59] <Begasus> ah :)
[10:11:27] <Begasus> for me it's x86_gcc2
[10:11:41] <Begasus> do I need to add an arch to koder?
[10:11:50] <KapiX> yes
[10:11:55] <KapiX> it's gcc5 only
[10:12:00] <KapiX> try koder_x86
[10:12:11] <Begasus> pkgman add-repo http://haiku.kacperkasper.pl/repo/x86
[10:12:19] <Begasus> I used this one to add
[10:13:01] <Begasus> same thing ... *** failed to find a match for "koder_x86": Name not found
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[10:13:36] <KapiX> no, you need to add x86_gcc2 repo
[10:13:47] <Begasus> ah ok :)
[10:15:09] <Begasus> pkgman add-repo http://haiku.kacperkasper.pl/repo/x86_gcc
[10:15:16] <Begasus> wrong window :)
[10:16:02] <Begasus> that worked :)
[10:18:36] <Duggan> well, as much as I'd love to stay up and keep working on this, I guess I should try to get some sleep...
[10:18:39] <Duggan> night all
[10:18:50] <humdinger> cu Duggan!
[10:19:02] <Duggan> thanks again for the help, humdinger
[10:19:13] <humdinger> not at all :)
[10:19:47] <Begasus> night Duggan
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[10:29:46] <Begasus> working fine KapiX :)
[10:30:04] <KapiX> :)
[10:32:08] <Begasus> anyone experienced in creatinging packages that go into non-packaged folder?
[10:35:39] <Begasus> sdl_perl want to install to "CCDLFLAGS = -Wl,-rpath=/packages/perl-5.18.2-2/.self/lib/perl5/5.18.2/BePC-haiku/CORE"
[10:41:24] <humdinger> Begasus: I dunno... by doing some manual copying in INSTALL() with finddir B_SYSTEM_NONPACKAGED_DIRECTORY and B_USER_NONPACKAGED_DIRECTORY and stuff?
[10:42:29] <Begasus> trying to see if I can find anything in the tree for those
[10:42:57] <KapiX> humdinger: that won't work
[10:43:18] <KapiX> haikuporter has chrooted environment and later removes not packaged files
[10:43:38] <humdinger> ah, right.
[10:44:07] <humdinger> canonly be used to configure while building, so the app later finds what it's looking for.
[10:45:23] <Begasus> have to step out for a bit, bbl
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[11:27:14] <Ace__> i'm stuck with my figlet, permission denied
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[11:49:11] <Begasus> re
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[14:33:45] <Begasus> grabbing sdl_perl-1.20.0-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg and moving it to /boot/home/haikuports/packages/sdl_perl-1.20.0-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg
[14:34:06] <Begasus> got so far ... looks pretty good (but probably needs changes) :)
[14:43:45] <Begasus> Package SDL_Pango was not found in the pkg-config search path. ... bugger
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[15:05:37] <Begasus> ohwell ... frozen-buible build (but not running)
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[15:50:37] <mmu_man> cool
[15:50:45] <mmu_man> well it used to work on BeOS long ago :p
[15:51:48] <Begasus> right :)
[15:53:38] <mmu_man> I recall showing it up at BG once
[15:53:50] <mmu_man> we were very... productive this week-end :)))
[15:54:03] <Begasus> lol
[15:54:57] <Begasus> no matching provides for sdl_pango devel ....
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[16:42:13] <kallisti5> PulkoMandy, Skipp_OSX you guys are jerks :P
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[17:33:12] <Vidrep> Hey humdinger
[17:33:35] <humdinger> hullo Vidrep!
[17:34:26] <Vidrep> I was looking at the remianing open tickets for BurnItNow. I think #6, #5, and #4 could be closed.
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[17:37:36] <Vidrep> Was it Perelandra that did the "Depots" preflet? Good idea to merge into Depot.
[17:38:21] <humdinger> yes. he made a patch.
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[17:41:45] <Vidrep> What are you working on now?
[17:42:26] <humdinger> not too much. made a few PR for Koder wrt strings and preference panael GUI.
[17:42:38] <humdinger> no I'm closing the BurnItNow issues :)
[17:43:29] <Vidrep> From the feedback so far, itlooks like people are pleased with that new text editor
[17:43:50] <humdinger> yes. it's still very early stage.
[17:44:26] <Vidrep> Yes, but no need to fix old code etc
[17:44:57] <humdinger> unfortunately, KapiX probably doesn't have enough time to improve it himself quickly.
[17:45:20] <humdinger> my coding is too bad to help with anythig really useful, I fear.
[17:45:34] <Vidrep> "Quickly". C'mon this is Haiku :p
[17:45:59] <humdinger> I think good editors are very hard to write.
[17:46:05] <humdinger> otherwise we had a few.
[17:47:48] <Vidrep> I'd like to move on to something else now that BurnItNow is "complete"
[17:48:35] <Vidrep> Unfortunately I don't have the skillset to fix anything :(
[17:49:09] <humdinger> Just start with DarkWyrm's book 1 :)
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[17:50:24] <Vidrep> I'm getting ready to scrap some old PC's this morning
[17:50:46] <Vidrep> ...so I can buy yet another old PC :)
[17:51:14] <humdinger> I can hear your wife already...
[17:52:08] <Vidrep> I bought them to run BeOS, but when I tried using them for testing old IDE burners, they proved quite inadequate
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[17:53:17] <Vidrep> Haiku doesn't run so well on them either.
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[17:54:27] <Vidrep> I don't think anybody is going to fix Haiku support for Intel i810 anytime soon
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[17:59:45] * Begasus needs to rebase remote again before pushing something ...
[17:59:51] <Jay_> hello?
[18:00:20] <humdinger> Jay_: yes?
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[18:01:58] <ohnx> lol
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[18:07:15] <Vidrep> Jay waited a whole minute...
[18:07:45] <humdinger> I just wasn't quick enough. :)
[18:07:47] <Begasus> there ... added a small update to sdl_pango :)
[18:07:52] <Begasus> 'lo guys
[18:07:59] <Vidrep> Hi Begasus
[18:08:26] <Begasus> hi Vidrep
[18:08:43] <Begasus> need a new chalenge? port sdl_perl :)
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[18:09:32] <Vidrep> Just taking apart an old PC without cutting myself is a challenge
[18:09:45] <Begasus> hehe
[18:10:41] <Vidrep> My wife will be impressed by the clean spot I made on the basement floor. Room for more junk :p
[18:10:41] <Begasus> still have a big tower sitting next to me (not connected to anything anymore for years) :)
[18:10:52] <Begasus> lol
[18:15:20] <Begasus> ~/Desktop/Gettext-0.01> perl blib/lib/demo.pl
[18:15:20] <Begasus> flower
[18:15:21] <Begasus> yellow
[18:15:22] <Begasus> flower
[18:15:22] <Begasus> yellow
[18:15:38] <Begasus> ok ... seems to do the trick :)
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[18:17:35] <ohnx> hey jessicah you awake/on irc?
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[18:21:15] <Begasus> think she crashed ohnx ;)
[18:21:25] <ohnx> kk lol
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[18:21:36] <ohnx> a few too many days without sleep, i suppose :p
[18:21:45] <Begasus> yep
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[18:30:03] <Begasus> bbl
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[19:08:39] <dax007> hello
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[19:09:16] <humdinger> hi dax007
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[19:09:23] <dax007> i just wanted to know what the annotations do in BEPDF
[19:09:44] <humdinger> let me see...
[19:10:22] <humdinger> to put comments into the text, or hight things etc.
[19:11:59] <dax007> how do i write anything in them?
[19:12:39] <humdinger> depend on the annotation tool.
[19:12:54] <humdinger> There's the "T" in the bottom group.
[19:13:04] <humdinger> that one lets you insert free text.
[19:13:38] <humdinger> The T in the speech bubble, you just set somewhere in the text,
[19:13:47] <humdinger> then right click and choose properties
[19:14:04] <humdinger> In the pop-up window, enter your text.
[19:14:17] <humdinger> doubleclick the icon to open the window again.
[19:15:33] <humdinger> It's not done in the nicest, most intuitive way...
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[19:17:25] <dax007> what do the other icons do.. like and text bubble, square etc.?
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[19:25:03] <humdinger> The square is to draw a square into the document.
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[19:25:44] <humdinger> the text bubble inserts the text bubble icon. the user has to click on it to open a window with the text
[19:26:37] <miqlas-H64> hi
[19:26:49] <humdinger> hi miqlas-H64
[19:27:21] <miqlas-H64> Hi (Sc)humi!
[19:27:35] <miqlas-H64> I also sent some PR's to Koder.
[19:28:21] <miqlas-H64> Schumdinger... lautet sehr gut
[19:28:40] <humdinger> don't make me come over there
[19:29:00] <miqlas-H64> I have a bottle wine essence. Come!
[19:29:14] <humdinger> ran out of Jäger?
[19:29:22] <miqlas-H64> Nope, gift.
[19:29:54] <dax007> i've tried that but no text is shown
[19:31:08] <humdinger> OK. 1. click the T-bubble tool.
[19:31:15] <humdinger> 2. click into the document.
[19:31:27] <humdinger> 3. right-click -> Properties
[19:31:42] <humdinger> 4. Enter text in opened window. Close window.
[19:32:00] <humdinger> 5. right-click -> Leave annotation mode
[19:32:09] <humdinger> 6. double click the icon.
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[19:32:16] <humdinger> window opens with the text
[19:33:36] <miqlas-H64> humdinger: which program is that?
[19:33:41] <humdinger> bepdef
[19:33:45] <humdinger> bepdf
[19:35:02] <miqlas-H64> humdinger: i just tried to switch the backend to poppler, but it is a bit hard, because it isn't a vanilla xpdf, but an extended one.
[19:35:26] <humdinger> hmmm... vanilla...
[19:35:27] <miqlas-H64> maybe we should try to update the beos backend code to poppler, and upstream it
[19:35:47] <miqlas-H64> no, humdinger, do not eat the cookies!
[19:36:11] <dax007> humdinger, looks like i got it thank you very much :)
[19:36:13] <humdinger> nom nom
[19:36:21] <humdinger> dax007: you're welcome
[19:36:38] <humdinger> it's not a very nice way to make annotations...
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[19:36:56] <Stephanie_> Darn you disconnections
[19:37:13] <humdinger> that's what I'd deem more important than exchanging the backend.
[19:37:34] <miqlas-H64> humdinger: look this sweetheart! Isn't she lovely? http://www.digestif.com/media/catalog/product/cache/31/image/c5c0d59458ec96f319e131c8ada49886/t/o/tokaji_muscat_lunel_aszuesszencia-pauleczki-vin-2000-500ml-800x1200.jpg
[19:37:57] <humdinger> I think I'm in love...
[19:38:19] <miqlas-H64> Come over then.
[19:38:29] <miqlas-H64> I'm on vacation btw.
[19:38:50] <humdinger> still?
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[19:40:39] <miqlas-H64> humdinger: 1 months long :)
[19:41:02] <humdinger> whoohoo nice!
[19:41:55] <miqlas-H64> but you know, if i go to home, it isn't a real vacation, there is plenty things to do and stuff. So i try to have 1 week long real vacation. I travel to somevhere, have a room in a hotel, drink good things, eat good stuff, enjoy life.
[19:42:11] <miqlas-H64> I'm in south hungary right now.
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[19:42:51] <miqlas-H64> But i got cold as i come here, so i don't have too much fun
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[19:43:12] <miqlas-H64> i just had 2 jaeger, just to keep my gesundheit
[19:43:51] <humdinger> put another log in the fire. grab Miss Bottle from above...
[19:44:37] <miqlas-H64> There is no fire here
[19:44:48] <humdinger> can be changed...
[19:44:54] * humdinger hads the torch
[19:44:56] <humdinger> *hands
[19:45:08] <miqlas-H64> maybe you should stay at home, and let Stephanie come over.
[19:45:39] <humdinger> stop it, miqlas-H64!
[19:45:43] <Stephanie> Wat XD
[19:45:54] <miqlas-H64> I got wine ;)
[19:46:08] <humdinger> don't mind him. he got wine...
[19:46:15] <humdinger> always dangerous
[19:46:25] <miqlas-H64> never dangerous.
[19:46:34] <Stephanie> lol anywhere but Kansas is good XD
[19:46:37] <miqlas-H64> we already slept in the same room. you survived, right?
[19:46:52] <humdinger> barely.
[19:47:03] <humdinger> snorkle miqlas-H64
[19:47:03] <miqlas-H64> Stephanie: here s - 10 Celsius. Maybe better to stay in Kansas.
[19:48:00] <Stephanie> lol
[19:48:03] <miqlas-H64> oh, no, it is just -2. But they says it will be -10 on this week.
[19:48:20] <miqlas-H64> blah, it is -5.
[19:48:27] <humdinger> then it's colder in Kansas probably
[19:48:46] <miqlas-H64> But the pressure is 1024 MB currently. 1GB!!!!
[19:49:12] * humdinger shakes head
[19:50:26] <miqlas-H64> humdinger: it should be "millibar", right?
[19:50:26] <miqlas-H64> Then why they use MB?
[19:50:26] <miqlas-H64> Standard stupidity?
[19:51:05] <miqlas-H64> humdinger: what do you think about my icon-vorschlag? http://chunk.io/f/a6eb2ab7a8d444509c14a03892f264c1
[19:54:29] <humdinger> a sugar Kube?
[19:57:25] <miqlas-H64> Stephanie: https://youtu.be/9op3cgh4680
[19:57:50] <miqlas-H64> Nope, a tastatur-apparat-taste.
[19:58:17] <miqlas-H64> zeug-ding-sachertorte-etwas
[19:58:49] <miqlas-H64> humdinger: it is Kandy, you know?
[20:04:21] <ohnx> i am very confused
[20:05:22] <humdinger> imagine miqlas-H64 with a Schwarzenegger accent.
[20:05:48] <Stephanie> What is that link... O.o
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[20:06:49] <Stephanie> Hmm pretty quality music
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[20:12:07] <Stephanie> Elephant survival 10/10
[20:12:53] <Vanisha> Anyone out here who is good with DocumentViewer?
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[20:19:34] <humdinger> never used DosumentViewer, always preferred BePDF
[20:21:08] <miqlas-H64> humdinger: DOS times over already.
[20:22:08] <miqlas-H64> Stephanie: great to her that you likes it.
[20:22:14] <miqlas-H64> *hear
[20:22:27] <Vanisha> humdinger: I am trying to create a help page for DocumentViewer for fixing issue #10
[20:22:48] <Vanisha> Not sure about one of the icon in DocumentViewer
[20:23:00] <Stephanie> :)
[20:23:13] <humdinger> let me quick install it
[20:24:05] <humdinger> wow. HaikuDepot does have issues sometimes
[20:24:23] <humdinger> which icon is it, Vanisha
[20:25:02] <Vanisha> The one next to zoom , third one from the left and looks like a upside down yellow bottle .
[20:26:03] <humdinger> it's a magic marker
[20:26:29] <humdinger> god, tat's one ugly GUI
[20:26:53] <humdinger> I have yet to find a pdf that is displayed and doesn't crash the app
[20:27:28] <Vanisha> humdinger: It isn't working as a marker though
[20:27:34] * miqlas-H64 thinks the same
[20:27:57] <miqlas-H64> humdinger: it crashes for me too on x64
[20:28:03] <miqlas-H64> with every pdf
[20:28:07] <humdinger> sorry. can't open a single file.
[20:28:16] <humdinger> you on your own, Vanisha.
[20:28:39] <humdinger> on that note... I'll retire to the couch for today.
[20:28:45] <humdinger> read you all tomorrow.
[20:28:54] <Stephanie> Adios
[20:28:59] <Vanisha> humdinger: np ,thanks !
[20:29:05] * humdinger barks
[20:29:06] <Vanisha> Bubyee :)
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[20:29:09] <miqlas-H64> humdinger: didi you made something wrong?
[20:29:16] <miqlas-H64> blah!
[20:31:23] <miqlas-H64> Stephanie: 2-step/future garage? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04IWUnBj-h4
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[20:32:22] <Stephanie> Ooh I like MrSuicideSheep
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[20:35:47] <miqlas-H64> Stephanie: maybe it is something for you: http://youtube.com/watch?v=D6RaU9n4ZuI&spfreload=10
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[20:36:14] <miqlas-H64> Stephanie: maybe it is something for you: http://youtube.com/watch?v=D6RaU9n4ZuI&spfreload=10
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[20:44:01] <Stephanie> miqlas-H64 quality violin-holding form 10/10
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[20:44:13] <Stephanie> Didn't understand a word of it, but sounds cool :D
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[20:47:05] <HAIKU-irker273> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev50819 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=7894dfde260a+%5E096d1a4e6a9f
[20:47:06] <HAIKU-irker273> 7894dfde260a: Update sqlite
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[20:52:00] <tojoko> re
[20:52:10] <tojoko> hi miqlas-H64
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[20:52:17] <miqlas-H64> YEEY, tojoko!
[20:52:25] <miqlas-H64> What happend with your "new" nick?
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[20:57:01] <tojoko> well, i'm off in the moment, so i'm in use of my private nick ;)
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[21:03:23] <Emrys> .. i hope this is not for real, wth https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/6025451841519616/
[21:04:44] <Emrys> am i reading this wrong?
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[21:10:10] <tojoko> sorry, can't open it Emrys .
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[21:29:45] <miqlas-H64> Got Haikuports recipe syntax highlighting in Koder: http://chunk.io/f/d47a2f89d7de4346b010120b8fb53cbd
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[21:29:52] <miqlas-H64> before/after
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[21:59:26] <AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy
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[22:25:41] <jessicah> ohnx: sup?
[22:25:51] <ohnx> uhh korli commented on the PR
[22:25:59] <jessicah> and?
[22:26:13] <ohnx> the provides area you called it gnuefi_kernel = $portVersion compat >= 0
[22:26:20] <ohnx> korli says it should be gnu_efi
[22:26:50] <jessicah> sure, can change it, I suppose
[22:27:05] <ohnx> ok
[22:27:12] <jessicah> korli generally knows better than I do
[22:27:36] <jessicah> I called it that because it didn't actually compile anything :p
[22:27:41] <ohnx> kk lol
[22:27:56] <ohnx> wasn't sure if it had to be named that way, so i just wanted to confirm w/ you :)
[22:28:15] <Skipp_OSX> trivial mistake
[22:28:25] <jessicah> I'll have to modify build slightly when it gets pushed to repo
[22:28:29] <jessicah> but that's pretty minor
[22:33:22] <jessicah> as long as it gets merged, it's all that matters at this point
[22:33:28] <jessicah> to me, anyway
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[23:39:14] <jalopeura> mmu_man: Thanks for help a few days ago with blacklisting. Worked almost perfectly. (When shutting down, I get a "input_server might be blocked on a modal panel" message, which I have to click before shutdown will complete, but that was the only hiccup. I don't think blacklisting was designed with the server apps in mind.)
[23:40:21] <mmu_man> yeah, because the shutdown process quits the system servers last, but I suppose it only checks for /system/servers, not /system/non-packaged
[23:42:35] <jalopeura> Actually, I put it in config/non-packaged; having never blacklisted before, I didn't even think of /system/non-packaged; that probably would have worked!
[23:42:55] <jalopeura> (Worked without the shutdown error, I mean.)
[23:43:17] <mmu_man> ah yes, if it checks for /system/*
[23:43:19] <mmu_man> dunno
[23:44:04] <jalopeura> In any case, I was able to fix the bug and submit a patch, so that's good enough for me.
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