[00:01:44] <scottmc> looks better. we should add a task for a student to update the screenshots on that guide to match what they see with latest virtualbox and haiku nightly image
[00:03:16] <miqlas_> i just lost my poppler recipe too :(((
[00:05:38] <mmu_man> commit early, commit often
[00:06:02] <miqlas_> mmu_man: : sorry, i just lost my motivation. I go to sleep.
[00:06:03] <mmu_man> any git stash or something ?
[00:06:04] <miqlas_> Bye!
[00:06:08] <mmu_man> n8
[00:06:12] <Emrys> maybe you should create a backup once in a while if you don't need to send the data right away, 5 gb data is a lot ._.
[00:06:19] <scottmc> miqlas_ maybe consider using two haiku drives, one for doing work and one to hold WIP stuff. Always assume it can crash and burn taking all with it and have something to fall back to. At least while you are working on some of these type recipes that tend to blow up.
[00:06:32] <miqlas_> the whole folder is empty. git thinks it isn't a git repo anymore.
[00:06:58] <miqlas_> scottmc: i have 4 partititon, Haiku, Haiku64, Data and Ports
[00:07:09] <miqlas_> Do i really need more?
[00:07:15] <scottmc> yeah, maybe sleep. sometimes gremlins come in at night and fix everything right back to where you were
[00:07:40] <miqlas_> i already reinitialized the partition, cloned haikuporter and the ports tree.
[00:07:54] <mmu_man> aw, you didn't try to recover?
[00:08:00] <miqlas_> there is no gremlins here, just miqlas....
[00:08:10] <scottmc> usually it's just realizing you did something wrong and are able to get it working with a fresh mind
[00:08:28] <miqlas_> recover? how? I found the 5 gb, it was the extracted qt sources and some other sources
[00:08:44] <mmu_man> ah*
[00:09:18] <miqlas_> but nothing important... i already lost the important data. checkfs "fixed" everything
[00:10:24] <miqlas_> checkfs is actually a really dangerous program.
[00:10:33] <miqlas_> bye guys
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[00:21:17] <scottmc> any GCI students working on tasks here?
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[00:54:35] <Stephanie> So I'm cloning Haiku onto Desktop, but it still gets stuck (and sometimes the mouse disappears) mid-clone, even if I use --depth 1. The first repo cloned fine :/
[00:55:50] <ohnx> what's the latest message?
[00:57:02] <Stephanie> It's always different - sometimes it's "Cloning into 'haiku'", or it goes further and stops at a percentage.
[00:57:11] <ohnx> what OS are you on?
[00:57:33] <Stephanie> My computer is Windows, running Haiku on vm
[00:57:52] <ohnx> you're trying to build Haiku in Haiku?
[00:59:27] <Stephanie> Oh am I supposed to clone onto Windows?
[00:59:44] <ohnx> uhh no
[00:59:57] <ohnx> well, I cloned into a linux vm and built it from there
[01:00:16] <Stephanie> So you have 2 seperate vms, one linux and one haiku?
[01:00:31] <ohnx> yup :p
[01:00:53] <Stephanie> Ohhhhhhh
[01:00:58] <Stephanie> Ohhhhh thanks :P
[01:01:13] <ohnx> idk, it might work in other ways though
[01:01:45] <tarunbod> hi
[01:01:53] <tarunbod> so i'm trying to build on macOS Sierra
[01:02:18] <tarunbod> and the configure script tells me the file system has to be case-sensitive
[01:02:25] <ohnx> yeah
[01:02:34] <ohnx> do it on a USB maybe?
[01:02:36] <tarunbod> how do i fix that :P
[01:02:40] <tarunbod> oh
[01:02:41] <tarunbod> ok
[01:03:27] <tarunbod> i didn't think that would work, but i didn't want to reformat my laptop
[01:03:27] <tarunbod> xD
[01:03:40] <ohnx> I think many people are also using a VM
[01:03:50] <ohnx> I'm not sure it that works, tarun :p
[01:04:22] <tarunbod> ok in that case i'll just use a VM
[01:04:32] <ohnx> yeah VirtualBox and Ubuntu are both free
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[01:09:57] <mmu_man> you can also try to make a DMG image and format it as case-sensitive HFS+
[01:11:21] <ohnx> true
[01:13:17] <ohnx> oh I just missed Emrys
[01:15:33] <Barrett_> Stephanie, maybe you didn't give enough ram to the haiku vm
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[01:18:31] <ohnx> probably that ^
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[01:20:15] <Stephanie> Oh yeah maybe
[01:21:18] <Barrett_> the process might just have quitted because there's no ram
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[01:21:31] <ohnx> how much are you giving it right now?
[01:22:02] <Stephanie> Is that the storage listed under HaikuOS.vdi?
[01:22:42] <Stephanie> I can't find a field specifically labeled RAM
[01:22:45] <ohnx> Memory
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[01:23:22] <Stephanie> Base Memory is 1408 MB, it started out at 512 and I just slid it up every time the cloning stopped
[01:24:04] <ohnx> haha i signed up to create a recipie for Haiku048 but it doesn't even compile
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[01:27:33] <ohnx> Stephanie: My Haiku has 1024 mb and it's cloning fine
[01:31:05] <Stephanie> Hmm I'll try again, and if it doesn't work I'll use the linux vm :)
[01:31:39] <ohnx> ok good luck :)
[01:41:21] <wmdurand> tarunbod: you could also use disk utility to add a case-sensitive partition at the end of your disk if you want to, if you haven't already figured out another solution.
[01:41:48] <wmdurand> whoops. was scrolled much further up in history when I sent that.
[01:44:50]
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[01:47:03] <scottmc> ohnx twofx was here a bit ago, you might try emailing him about Haiku2048
[01:47:44] <ohnx> oh k
[01:47:49] <ohnx> well, i fixed it
[01:47:55] <ohnx> and added colours, too, while i was at it
[01:48:45] <scottmc> ohnx feel free to create a pull request on his repo with your changes, and if he likes them he will likely accept them.
[01:49:30] <scottmc> i added colors to bevexed a few years ago when I was playing he original and it was all gray.
[01:49:37] <scottmc> the
[01:50:40] <scottmc> i then forked the code and made hexvexxed but never got it to work 100% the way I wanted. It's available as a task to work on if you like
[01:53:39] <scottmc> 30 students working on tasks. If any students need help just ask and we will try to help
[01:54:10] <ohnx> is there nodejs on haiku?
[01:54:50] <mmu_man> not yet
[01:54:59] <mmu_man> I looked into it but didn't get very far
[01:55:08] <ohnx> oh i was thinking of it too
[01:55:43] <mmu_man> we have a tentative v8 patch in haikuports I think
[01:55:50] <mmu_man> but then nodejs has its own v8 copy IIRC
[01:56:22] <ohnx> yeah it's a bit modified
[01:56:57] <mmu_man> yep
[01:57:08] <mmu_man> why upstream, it's so old fashion
[01:57:10] <mmu_man> grmbl
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[01:57:15] <ohnx> haha
[01:57:41] <pun100> hi
[01:57:53] <scottmc> hi pun100
[01:57:54] <mmu_man> yeah, why make sure people can all work on the same codebase when everyone can have their own fork to maintain
[01:58:06] <mmu_man> just like chromium...
[01:58:16] <mmu_man> or u-boot :)
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[01:58:44] <ohnx> hi!
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[01:59:01] <Stephanie> cloning is stuck at "Cloning into buildtools" in the linux vm, and it's stuck at "Receiving objects 10%" in haiku vm - 1024 MB ram each :/
[01:59:09] <mmu_man> ah nodejs port would be quite out of scope of GCI anyway
[01:59:37] <pun100> how to build a haiku app , can I use the haiku terminal ?
[01:59:40] <ohnx> try just using the linux one with 2048mb
[01:59:42] <mmu_man> Stephanie: hmm do you have ProcessController running?
[02:00:00] <ohnx> mmu_man: not for gci, but for fun
[02:00:09] <Stephanie> Yeah
[02:00:11] <mmu_man> sometimes my VM stales network with a kernel thread eating up all cpu
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[02:00:28] <scottmc> pun100 what app are you trying to build?
[02:00:51] <mmu_man> anyway
[02:00:52] <mmu_man> zzz
[02:00:53] <ohnx> pun100: most apps let you just run 'make'
[02:01:40] <pun100> i neeed to about system app , i edited the .h file
[02:02:14] <ohnx> oh
[02:02:24] <ohnx> you need to tecompile the os
[02:03:23] <pun100> tecompile means
[02:03:29] <wmdurand> recompile
[02:04:07] <ohnx> the wiki should say how
[02:04:19] <wmdurand> are you working on the "compile haiku from source" task?
[02:04:23] <scottmc> pun100 sounds like you are doing the Compile Haiku task.
[02:04:27] <ohnx> jam -q -j2 @nightly-iso
[02:04:34] <ohnx> or something like that
[02:04:51] <pun100> yes
[02:05:00] <wmdurand> in addition to having all the deps and running the proper ./configure task
[02:05:15] <scottmc> what operating system are you in that you are building from?
[02:06:07] <pun100> haiku nightly
[02:06:27] <wmdurand> running that in a VM or hardware?
[02:06:38] <wmdurand> if VM, compiling could take a while.
[02:06:52] <ohnx> well, depends on vm specs
[02:06:58] <wmdurand> true.
[02:07:08] <ohnx> i gave my vm 4 cores and it goes not too bad
[02:07:19] <wmdurand> and which software you are using.
[02:07:26] <pun100> vm
[02:07:34] <pun100> windows 10
[02:07:42] <scottmc> yes, as Stephanie is finding out, make sure you give the VM at least 1GB perhaps 2GB of ram.
[02:08:17] <wmdurand> If you are going to compile Haiku in there, you might also want to increase the processor count that you allocate to it.
[02:08:26] <scottmc> and it might be easier to use a Ubuntu VM to build Haiku in
[02:08:38] <Stephanie> Yeah neither ubuntu nor haiku is cloning right now
[02:08:51] <ohnx> steph just download the zip from github
[02:09:20] <Stephanie> Oh yeah i should
[02:10:44] <scottmc> Everyone, keep notes as you do the Compile Haiku task, there might be a task to update our guide pages as some of them are a bit out of date and such ;)
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[02:11:17] <ohnx> oh also mention that weird issue i had
[02:11:47] <ohnx> where you had to delete the folder generated_downloads or whatever
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[02:14:14] <pun100> can I rebuilt haiku os inside haiku ?
[02:14:27] <ohnx> yes, lun100
[02:14:30] <ohnx> pun100*
[02:14:59] <ohnx> make sure it has enough memory, and to shortn build times, consider increasing cou core count
[02:15:08] <scottmc> ohnx did you build haiku inside a haiku vm? It's been awhile since i tried that
[02:15:45] <scottmc> cpu core count
[02:16:51] <pun100> i3 , 2 ghz
[02:17:19] <scottmc> and ram and HDD size you gave it?
[02:18:14] <ohnx> scottmc: i built it in ubuntu, but i think someone mentioned building it in haiku yesterday
[02:18:38] <pun100> 16 gb 1273 - mb ram
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[02:19:58] <scottmc> that should work. Go through the steps listed on the wiki page and let us know if you have any issues and we will try to work through them
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[02:20:55] <pun100> okay thank you :D
[02:22:47] <ohnx> scottmc: would you happen to be familiar with graphics programming for haiku?
[02:24:31] <ohnx> or anyone else here
[02:25:08] <scottmc> ohnx only a little. I did some in the hexvexxed game for drawing the hexagons and such. Haiku has a whole API to explore. You might try the Programming with Haiku task... search for Book, it's the book 2 task. it steps through a book teaching C++ and some of the unique features of the Haiku API
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[02:26:29] <ohnx> yeah nvm I found the online API
[02:27:36] <ohnx> i'm on the haiku2048 already and don't feel like abandoning it :p
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[02:33:06] <scottmc> install Weather from HaikuDepot and run it. That was created by GCI students a few years back.
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[02:33:34] <wmdurand> How should I define the license on a recipe if the original developer hasn't specified one?
[02:33:48] <ohnx> email the developer to ask
[02:40:01] <scottmc> wmdurand which one?
[02:40:10] <wmdurand> signify
[02:40:42] <wmdurand> Found it listed as BSD-1 on Gentoo.
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[02:42:26] <scottmc> did it include anything in the headers of any files?
[02:43:42] <wmdurand> yeah, just found it. Gentoo was right. BSD 1
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[02:46:21] <scottmc> not sure which one that equates to. I see BSD 2, 3 and 4 clause listed in system/data/licenses but no BSD 1
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[02:51:09] <ohnx> how are you supposed to set an rgb_color? can't you just use {r, g, b} ?
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[02:52:52] <scottmc> here's a snippette from hexvexed
[02:52:57] <scottmc> static rgb_color highlight = { 255,255,255,255 };
[02:52:57] <scottmc> static rgb_color shadow = { 90,90,90,255 };
[02:52:58] <scottmc> static rgb_color white = { 255,255,255,255 };
[02:52:59] <scottmc> static rgb_color base = { 224,224,224,255 };
[02:52:59] <scottmc> static rgb_color trianglecolor[] = { { 0,0,0,255 }, //Black
[02:53:00] <scottmc> { 145,97,0,255 }, //Brown
[02:53:00] <scottmc> { 224,0,0,255 }, //Red
[02:53:01] <scottmc> { 255,126,0,255 }, //Orange
[02:53:02] <scottmc> { 255,255,0,255 }, //Yellow
[02:53:02] <scottmc> { 0,208,0,255 }, //Green
[02:53:03] <scottmc> { 63,63,255,255 }, //Blue
[02:53:03] <scottmc> { 124,33,176,255 }, //Purple
[02:53:04] <scottmc> { 192,192,192,255 }, //Grey
[02:53:05] <scottmc> { 255,255,255,255 }, //White
[02:53:05] <scottmc> { 255,153,153}, //
[02:53:06] <scottmc> { 102,102,0}, //
[02:53:06] <scottmc> { 0,204,255}, //
[02:53:07] <scottmc> { 181,166,66}, //
[02:53:08] <scottmc> { 234,234,174}, //
[02:53:08] <scottmc> { 204,50,153} }; //
[02:53:09] <scottmc>
[02:53:09] <scottmc> rgb_color numcolor;
[02:53:51] <scottmc> for some reason there's 4 places in some of those
[02:53:59] <ohnx> lol
[02:54:07] <scottmc> oh maybe alpha?
[02:54:16] <scottmc> i forget
[02:54:18] <ohnx> alpha is in 0/255?
[02:54:32] <ohnx> anyways, gcc is yelling at me
[02:54:48] <ohnx> "warning: extended initializer lists only available with -std=c++11"
[02:56:45] <scottmc> maybe take a look at the playground app in the haiku source tree, it's there to show how to use different API graphics features
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[03:11:25] <wmdurand> is it possible to add a new license to haiku? The ISC license?
[03:11:44] <wmdurand> ^^ scottmc
[03:12:34] <scottmc> we only add them when there are a handful of packages using them. Instead add the licesne file into the package. I think this is explained in the haikuporter wiki somewhere
[03:13:10] <wmdurand> great!
[03:14:14] <ohnx> Stephanie: how goes trying to compile Haiku?
[03:15:15] <wmdurand> scottmc: thanks. Figured it out.
[03:15:45] <Stephanie> Linux started up several times with random colorful bars, so I've been closing and reopening ubuntu, and I've finally got the first zip downloaded and am extracting it right now
[03:16:14] <wmdurand> btw, just searched through and this will be the 6th port under ISC.
[03:21:25] <scottmc> some packages might have more than one license. I think I saw BSD 2, 3 and 4 clause in various files for that one
[03:21:44] <ohnx> what is it with the makefiles for haiku apps?
[03:21:47] <ohnx> i dont understand them
[03:22:55] <scottmc> they make use of the makefile engine
[03:23:21] <ohnx> oh
[03:23:21] <scottmc> don't try to understand makefiles, you will just go crazy.
[03:23:35] <ohnx> i mean like i've written my own reallly simple ones before
[03:23:46] <wmdurand> they are magic. black magic
[03:23:50] <ohnx> haha
[03:24:19] <scottmc> google haiku makefile engine
[03:24:30] <ohnx> eh i'll look at it later
[03:24:44] <ohnx> i need to wait for my changes to get merged first
[03:25:22] <scottmc> did you get it all working the way you like now? can you post a screenshot of it?
[03:25:29] <ohnx> sure
[03:27:48] <ohnx> found out how to take a screenshot only in the vm, too ;d
[03:28:48] <scottmc> maybe scale the digits depending on the size of the squares? they look tiny to me
[03:29:00] <ohnx> i don't know how to set the font size :p
[03:29:34] <ohnx> but yeah the colours part isn't done yet; i will work on it later and also try to make gcc less angry
[03:31:41] <ohnx> "The string is drawn in the view's current font and is modified by the other parameters of the font such as it's direction (left-to-right or right-to-left), rotation, spacing, shear, etc. The string is always drawn left to right even if it's text direction is set to right-to-left mode."
[03:31:46] <ohnx> > it's
[03:33:18] <wmdurand> any idea about how I would get libbsd for a recipe?
[03:33:20] <scottmc> you might check the bevexed source. It changes the font size based on board size iirc
[03:33:25] <ohnx> ok
[03:33:40] <ohnx> i'll take a look tomorrow, it's time for me to start my homework
[03:33:50] <scottmc> bevexed is good to have while compiling
[03:34:22] <scottmc> that's the one
[03:34:40] <ohnx> k cool, thanks! :)
[03:34:48] <scottmc> ohnx what time zone you in?
[03:35:04] <ohnx> it's 9 for me
[03:35:14] <ohnx> and i observe DST
[03:35:27] <scottmc> i'm in PST so 6:35 here
[03:35:55] <ohnx> oh i'm GMT-
[03:35:56] <scottmc> we have mentors around the world to cover most hours of the day
[03:35:58] <ohnx> 5*
[03:36:38] <Stephanie> Question - what under vm settings is "disk space"? Is it the base memory?
[03:36:45] <ohnx> no
[03:36:46] <jessicah> lplplpllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll p
[03:36:46] <jessicah>
[03:36:46] <jessicah>
[03:36:46] <jessicah>
[03:36:57] <ohnx> looks like jessicah is awake
[03:37:11] <ohnx> or her pet is walking on her keyboard
[03:37:18] <jessicah> hello :)
[03:37:30] <jessicah> mini-boomer is demanding lap space
[03:37:46] <scottmc> everything ok jessiciah that almost looks like a cry for hellllllllpppp
[03:38:05] <ohnx> Stephanie: "disk space" is hard disk size
[03:38:05] <scottmc> hah, ohnx wins
[03:38:08] <jessicah> Stephanie: you set that when creating the disk image
[03:38:56] <jessicah> if you need a bigger disk image, best to just delete your existing one and create a new one
[03:39:02] <Stephanie> Am I able to change it after I've created the vm
[03:39:03] <Stephanie> Oh ok
[03:39:08] <ohnx> well yes you can
[03:39:11] <ohnx> you don't have to delete it
[03:39:12] <scottmc> how much drive space does haiku take to compile nowadays?
[03:39:25] <jessicah> ohnx: eh, it's non-trivial
[03:39:33] <Stephanie> It's with linux - I tried extracting the second zip file, and it says I don't have enough disk space
[03:39:37] <ohnx> what if i have all my pictures on it? D:
[03:40:04] <jessicah> ohnx: if you need to do a resize of your VM disk, it is possible
[03:40:16] <jessicah> although, with bfs, there is no support whatsoever for resizing
[03:40:32] <ohnx> oh
[03:40:40] <ohnx> well, steph is using linux
[03:41:09] <ohnx> scottmc: combined, haiku/ and builtools/ show up as 4.6GB
[03:41:15] <jessicah> I'd use at least 8GB disk image for linux
[03:41:28] <jessicah> might be safer to use something like 16GB
[03:41:30] <ohnx> not including all the random packages i had to install to get it to work
[03:41:39] <jessicah> I'm always having to compact my linux virtual disk :(
[03:41:44] <jessicah> PITA
[03:41:57] <ohnx> buy another hard drive and jsut have linux write directly to that
[03:42:00] <Stephanie> Under LinuxOS, I have 8 GB. Is that the disk space?
[03:42:01] <jessicah> Stephanie: are you using virtualbox? and okay to start over?
[03:42:08] <Stephanie> Yeah I am using virtualbox
[03:42:20] <Stephanie> yup
[03:42:47] <scottmc> i'd go with 16GB just to be on safe side
[03:43:12] <scottmc> remember to keep notes ;)
[03:43:33] <ohnx> yup my minimal ubuntu setup uses 10gb after installing haiku
[03:43:51] <jessicah> gah, I hate windows 10's new paint 3D crap
[03:43:52] <jessicah> >_<
[03:44:01] <jessicah> Base Memory == RAM
[03:44:10] <jessicah> under Storage, it'll show you your disks
[03:44:38] <jessicah> e.g. I have:
[03:44:38] <jessicah> Controller: SATA
[03:44:38] <jessicah> SATA Port 0: Ubuntu Server.vdi (Normal, 64.00 GB)
[03:44:50] <jessicah> that number in brackets is the size of your disk
[03:45:07] <ohnx> ewww irccloud
[03:45:27] <jessicah> eh, lets me stay connected between machines & on my phone
[03:45:30] <jessicah> so meh :p
[03:45:46] <ohnx> i just have irssi running in a screen session on a school server ^.^
[03:45:48] <jessicah> and my cat has commandeered my mousepad :(
[03:46:02] <jessicah> I used to use irssi all the time, but irccloud lets me use on my phone
[03:46:05] <jessicah> which I make good use of
[03:46:16] <ohnx> ssh terminal app ;)
[03:46:25] <jessicah> it's just nasty
[03:46:35] <jessicah> I use small phones
[03:46:35] <ohnx> haha true
[03:46:46] <jessicah> not those giant 5"+ things
[03:47:03] <jessicah> I've toyed with ssh on my phone, it's just too small and fidly
[03:47:21] <jessicah> Stephanie: does that help to figure out how big your disk is?
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[03:47:49] <Stephanie> Yeah mine was 8 GB, I started over and started with 16 GB
[03:47:59] <Stephanie> So far it's working :)
[03:48:01] <ohnx> hi vale
[03:48:14] <ohnx> wait nvm
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[03:49:13] <ohnx|irccloud> such amazing
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[03:49:36] <ohnx|irccloud> irccloud feels a lot more responsive now since i last tried it
[03:49:52] <jessicah> yeah, it's slowly improved
[03:50:08] <jessicah> and has dark theme support and a few other niceties now
[03:50:17] * jessicah sighs
[03:50:23] <jessicah> I really need a new hard disk :(
[03:50:33] <ohnx> black friday/cyber monday ?
[03:50:48] <jessicah> well I'm in NZ
[03:50:52] <jessicah> so don't really have
[03:50:59] <ohnx> eh i suppose
[03:51:08] <ohnx> here in canada, we have black friday kinda
[03:51:16] <jessicah> anyway, deals haven't been huge
[03:51:25] <jessicah> and I'm after a WD Red 8TB drive
[03:51:35] <ohnx> what do you store? lol
[03:51:48] <jessicah> lots of media...
[03:51:54] <ohnx> i have a 1tb and that's enough for all my games, VMs, and failed whatever projects
[03:52:00] <jessicah> I have 2 completely full 3TB disks
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[03:52:41] <jessicah> I want an 8TB to move my 3TB data to, and then put 3TB in this desktop for storing large files, and reclaim my 500GB SSD for VMs
[03:53:05] <jessicah> that would give me about 5TB free to play with
[03:53:16] <jessicah> and got a lot of TV to catch up on...
[03:53:26] <ohnx> lol
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[03:59:14] <wmdurand> wow
[03:59:49] <ohnx> btw jessicah was it you that said that GitHub dies with Haiku?
[04:00:12] <jessicah> yes
[04:00:14] <King_Warg> :(
[04:00:16] <jessicah> if we push our tags
[04:00:23] <ohnx> oh
[04:00:27] <jessicah> note that github doesn't have our tags
[04:00:32] <jessicah> like hrev12345
[04:00:33] <ohnx> tags like releases?
[04:00:54] <wmdurand> Is there any sort of autosave feature in lpe?
[04:00:56] <jessicah> every push to our git repo generates a new hrev tag
[04:01:02] <ohnx> oh
[04:01:28] <jessicah> so when you have 10s of thousands of tags like this, github dies
[04:01:50] <ohnx> ah ok lol
[04:01:51] <jessicah> github makes assumptions about how tags are used
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[04:02:17] <jessicah> a tag on github marks a release
[04:02:26] <jessicah> so every time we push to git, it would effectively make a new release on github
[04:02:45] <jessicah> and the UI chokes when it's got 10s of thousands of tags & "releases" to work on
[04:02:51] <ohnx> haha ok
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[04:03:14] <ohnx> does GitLab not die?
[04:03:15] <jessicah> since there are lots of places in the UI that exposes the tags in drop-down controls and things like that
[04:03:27] <jessicah> I haven't experimented with gitlab fully yet
[04:03:38] <jessicah> I ran out of disk space, so that's on the backburner atm
[04:03:46] <ohnx> plus, it's in ruby, which is probably going to be at least a bit slower than cgit
[04:04:35] <jessicah> my first tests, I had imported from github, so the tags weren't there yet
[04:04:44] <jessicah> yes, ruby :( yuck
[04:04:55] <ohnx> time to sacrifice my school's gitlab server ;)
[04:05:17] <jessicah> eh, I wouldn't do that
[04:05:27] <ohnx> why not?
[04:05:37] <jessicah> it took me days to delete the tags from github :p
[04:05:47] <ohnx|irccloud> oh i
[04:05:49] <jessicah> I suppose if you drop the entire repo, that's probably fine
[04:05:51] <ohnx|irccloud> 'll just delete the repo
[04:05:52] <ohnx|irccloud> yeah
[04:08:34] <ohnx|irccloud> eh it worked
[04:09:14] <jessicah> all the tags there?
[04:09:37] <ohnx|irccloud> yes
[04:09:56] <ohnx|irccloud> very slow though
[04:10:10] <ohnx|irccloud> it might be GitLab, or it might be that all the tags are being downloaded
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[04:27:10] <scottmc> 31 students working on tasks, 7 trying to Compile Haiku. It's a bit tough for a biginner task, but good experience. Most everything else they compile on Haiku will likely be smaller. OpenJDK and Web+ might be the exceptions.
[04:27:51] <ohnx> nice!
[04:27:57] <ohnx> how many completed? ;)
[04:28:58] <scottmc> 17 completed, mostly the New to Haiku task, but a few others are starting to come in now.
[04:29:08] <ohnx> cool
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[04:30:02] <ohnx> what things do you mentor, scottmc?
[04:32:09] <scottmc> i'm lead GCI admin. i mostly stick to the beginner tasks and defer the thougher ones to other mentors. I used to write a lot of recipe files and do a lot of porting of apps but haven't done much in recent years.
[04:32:17] <ohnx> ah
[04:32:49] <scottmc> i know enough C/C++ to cause troubles that I can't fix
[04:33:00] <ohnx> haha
[04:33:15] <wmdurand> scottmc, do you have any idea how to add libbsd to a package?
[04:36:05] <jessicah> bbl, training time
[04:36:44] <Stephanie> Is there a way to get the mouse in Haiku vm and the mouse outside the vm to work together? Previously, I could just move out of the vm and the mouse would automatically switch over, but for some reason now I can only be on one or the other.
[04:37:07] <ohnx> "capture mouse"
[04:37:14] <scottmc> wmdurand see qemu recipe for example
[04:37:16] <ohnx> look for an option named that
[04:37:35] <Stephanie> Is that what right ctrl is doing?
[04:37:36] <wmdurand> might be "mouse integration"
[04:37:40] <wmdurand> yeah
[04:37:44] <wmdurand> that's the one.
[04:38:23] <Stephanie> That works for manually switching between mice, but like an hour ago, I could just move the mouse over and it would automatically switch.
[04:38:52] <jessicah> Stephanie: you can set mouse to tablet mode, but note that some button combinations won't work as a result
[04:39:22] <wmdurand> there might be a mouse icon at the bottom. a menu from there should give you the option for mouse integration.
[04:39:28] <jessicah> Settings > System > Pointing Device: USB Tablet
[04:39:35] <jessicah> or maybe USB Multitouch Tablet
[04:39:39] <Stephanie> Oh
[04:39:45] <scottmc> ohnx those are two different games... hexvexed was derived from bevexed
[04:39:46] <Stephanie> Oh yeah I remember doing that before :P
[04:39:48] <Stephanie> Thanks
[04:39:52] <ohnx> oh
[04:40:02] <ohnx> the gci task is for hexvexed right
[04:41:54] <wmdurand> what am I looking for, scottmc?
[04:41:59] <scottmc> there is a task to make needed artwork for hexvexed
[04:42:34] <scottmc> wmdurand find the qemu recipe on haikuports, it's shows how to include libbsd in a recipe
[04:43:15] <scottmc> ohnx I can add a task to work on any of the open issues on hexvexed as well if you are interested
[04:43:52] <ohnx> and scottmc it's fine, tasks are really clunky on gci
[04:46:10] <wmdurand> scottmc doesn't solve the issue at all... even when I use the option to bundle libbsd, it fails.
[04:46:24] <ohnx> what are you porting, wmdurand ?
[04:46:25] <wmdurand> it was in 2.1.0 ohnx
[04:46:31] <wmdurand> signify
[04:48:11] <wmdurand> Might just abandon this task for the time being and move on to greener pastures.
[04:48:22] <ohnx> why not just remove the dependency on libbsd
[04:48:25] <ohnx> and see what breaks? :D
[04:48:38] <scottmc> try adding -lbsd
[04:48:49] <wmdurand> added that
[04:49:16] <wmdurand> ohnx: "OpenBSD tool to signs and verify signatures on files. This is a portable version which uses libbsd (version 0.7 or newer is required)." What's the worst that could happen...
[04:49:16] <scottmc> yeah, perhaps try a different one.
[04:49:33] <ohnx> also did you see BUNDLED_LIBBSD=1
[04:49:41] <ohnx> nvm it probably won't work
[04:50:05] <wmdurand> yeah, that one failed saying that it was unable to find the features.h
[04:50:21] <ohnx> the <features.h> or "features.h" ?
[04:50:23] <scottmc> you might keep your WIP version and ask fbrosson, he might be able to help.
[04:50:38] <scottmc> but move to new task in the meantime
[04:51:52] <wmdurand> cooliio. gonna do that.
[04:52:00] <scottmc> ohnx what you mean by tasks are really clunky on GCI?
[04:52:13] <ohnx> you can only do
[04:52:16] <ohnx> 1
[04:52:29] <wmdurand> haiku has me so used to using the alt key at this point...
[04:52:45] <ohnx> haha
[04:52:53] <wmdurand> that is annoying about GCI. makes sense so that someone doesn't rack up tasks, but annoying nonetheless
[04:53:05] <scottmc> wmdurand that happens, and then you go to another OS where they have it backwards...
[04:53:17] <ohnx> also macs
[04:53:18] <wmdurand> just tried to alt click a link in chrome. didn't go over so well.
[04:53:23] <ohnx> command vs control
[04:53:29] <wmdurand> i'm on mac
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[04:53:48] <wmdurand> alt clicking in chrome apparently downloads the link instead...
[04:53:52] <ohnx> lol
[04:53:59] <ohnx> there is no alt key on mac though?
[04:54:17] <wmdurand> there is (alt/option)
[04:54:36] <wmdurand> right between ctl and cmd.
[04:54:37] <ohnx> oh k
[04:54:45] <ohnx> i clal it 'option"
[04:57:42] <scottmc> whenever you run into a tougher task, kick it around a bit, ask questions, etc. But if it's taking too long and you aren't making much progress, maybe consider setting it aside and try a different one. As long as no one else claims the task you can always come back to it later.
[04:58:00] <ohnx> for the porting tasks, how many people can do it
[04:58:03] <ohnx> just one right?
[04:58:37] <scottmc> just one. onces it's working we don't need it done again.
[04:58:43] <wmdurand> no point to having 3 ports of vim...
[04:58:48] <ohnx> lol
[04:59:50] <scottmc> no point in having vim. /me ducks
[04:59:56] * ohnx uses nano
[05:00:21] <scottmc> we switched default git editor to nano years ago
[05:00:38] <scottmc> in Haiku on the command line I use lpe which then opens Pe
[05:00:59] <ohnx> i use notepad++, textwrangler, and nano
[05:01:03] <ohnx> and now Pe
[05:02:09] <King_Warg> notepad++ ftw
[05:02:31] <King_Warg> all you need for php, html, css....
[05:02:53] <ohnx> anything
[05:03:04] <ohnx> write your term papers in notepad++!
[05:03:37] <scottmc> i think Pe has plug-ins for all those
[05:03:55] <ohnx> it works by default with c/c++ though, which is all that really matter
[05:04:53] <King_Warg> c/c++ makes me sad.
[05:06:07] <scottmc> Pe Window/Preferences/Langauge has a ton listed
[05:06:26] <scottmc> if you find one that is missing you can write your own.
[05:06:55] <scottmc> I think Ruby and a few others were added in past GCIs
[05:07:44] <scottmc> Pe still needs it's old style button bar updated to use vector graphics
[05:08:00] <scottmc> looks very dated
[05:08:14] <King_Warg> vintage
[05:09:42] <scottmc> Pe can even add in the license header file for you.
[05:10:22] <scottmc> i've seen someone use it to do batch changes on several files at a time but I've not tried it myself
[05:10:22] <wmdurand> I was sad when I opened it up and vi wasn't installed :(
[05:11:03] <wmdurand> emacs isn't either? fine. I will accept that as consolation.
[05:11:29] <ohnx|irccloud> nano is, though
[05:11:35] <ohnx|irccloud> proving that nano is the best, once and for all!
[05:12:44] <scottmc> vim can be installed via HaikuDepot or pkgman install vim
[05:13:11] <wmdurand> yeah. but then I started using lpe
[05:14:00] <scottmc> if you are doing it over ssh though you might need to use nano or vim
[05:14:20] <ohnx|irccloud> you can ssh into haiku installations?
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[05:15:36] <scottmc> umm yes. This machine I am on it one of the haikuports buildbots. They run builds on it from time to time and I don't even see anything happening. ;)
[05:15:43] <scottmc> is one
[05:15:59] <wmdurand> I should probably eat food... I was told to do so several hours ago now.
[05:16:31] <ohnx|irccloud> oh that's cool
[05:16:44] <ohnx|irccloud> i thought since it was, you know, like a consumer grade os it wouldn't have ssh :p
[05:20:35] <wmdurand> oh boy... another fun file not found error :facedesk:
[05:22:14] <wmdurand> well, that explains why shared clipboard wasn't working. Apparently you have to turn the feature on before you can use it...
[05:23:14] <ohnx|irccloud> don't you need the tools iso installed?
[05:24:07] <wmdurand> well, it's still broken, so maybe. have the ext installed... no clue.
[05:26:03] <ohnx|irccloud> out of curiosity, why has it been so long since haiku has had a release?/
[05:27:59] <wmdurand> 3 years and about 2 weeks
[05:28:21] <ohnx|irccloud> yeah but the current source tree seems at least mostly stable
[05:28:35] <ohnx|irccloud> web browsing works pretty well
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[05:36:35] <scottmc> yes, many of the current tasks are recipe tasks. we will likely add more tasks as the days go by. We are also open to suggestions for tasks as well.
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[05:37:14] <ohnx|irccloud> ok
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[05:42:21] <wmdurand> that moment when your code *almost* compiles, and then snags a gcc bug. :(
[05:42:47] <scottmc> pastebin?
[05:43:27] <wmdurand> undeclared var. first time used in function.
[05:44:31] <scottmc> not a gcc bug... code written by lazy programmers. gcc2 requires variable to be assigned at the top of the block.
[05:44:59] <scottmc> declared
[05:45:24] <wmdurand> ah
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[05:52:00] <scottmc> try adding size_t i; up above it, and then just i = (size_t) 0U;
[05:52:28] <ohnx|irccloud> would that really fix it?
[05:52:43] <scottmc> not sure. try it
[05:53:16] <Stephanie> Cloning is still not working for me - I've tried all different disk sizes, ram sizes, downloaded zip (gets stuck), is there anything else I can try to get these repos to clone?
[05:53:29] <jessicah> what is the error?
[05:54:16] <ohnx|irccloud> are you sure it isn't your internet, Stephanie ?
[05:54:41] <Stephanie> I can access websites fine
[05:54:57] <jessicah> and what's your command line?
[05:55:07] <Stephanie> I'm not sure what the specific error is, but cloning just gets stuck at certain percentages
[05:55:19] <jessicah> is this in your ubuntu vm?
[05:55:21] <ohnx|irccloud> what step of cloning?
[05:55:59] <jessicah> also, you'll want to set the network adapter to intel pro/1000 mt desktop, if it's not already
[05:56:51] <Stephanie> In ubuntu vm, it stops at "Cloning into 'buildtools'", and in haiku vm it gets to a later step (can't remember what it is), gets stuck, and when I try to clone again, I get a port 9418 error
[05:57:09] <Stephanie> Oh network is on NAT right now
[05:58:58] <Stephanie> Oh wait no that's not the same thing nvm lol
[06:02:34] <jessicah> you can clone buildtools from github
[06:02:36] <jessicah> try that first
[06:02:48] <jessicah> if you're not using github to clone from
[06:03:34] <wmdurand> scottmc: I think that I fixed it. Looks like the 2 semicolons on the line above it were confusing the compiler. now it is just telling me that generated files are in the wrong place. Guess I need to create a patch for this.
[06:03:49] <scottmc> yup
[06:03:55] <ohnx|irccloud> ah i was going to comment about those two semicolons
[06:04:09] <ohnx|irccloud> interesting that it confuses the compiler though
[06:04:15] <jessicah> ah yes, the second semicolon would introduce a statement, rather than a declaration
[06:04:19] <ohnx|irccloud> isn't that a bug with gcc then?
[06:04:27] <jessicah> it's an empty statement
[06:04:36] <jessicah> no, gcc2 requires all declarations first
[06:05:00] <ohnx|irccloud> ah
[06:05:03] <jessicah> that restriction got lifted in newer versions of the C standard
[06:05:04] <FlyingJester> For both C and C++?
[06:05:15] <ohnx|irccloud> i define macros with a semicolon and then use them with a semicolon, too
[06:05:28] <wmdurand> time to open 2 prs. one for this package (sooon) and another from libsodium
[06:05:33] <scottmc> and by removing the second semicolon it then puts that statement still in the declaration area
[06:05:33] <ohnx|irccloud> it expands as two semicolons, but gcc never yelled at me
[06:05:43] <jessicah> so whilst it looked innocuous, it was actually declaration; [empty] statement; another declaration; rest of the statements;
[06:06:05] <jessicah> FlyingJester: no, C++ never had the same restriction as C regarding declaration order
[06:06:13] <FlyingJester> That's what I thought.
[06:06:27] <FlyingJester> MSVC up until even 2010 had the same requirement for C, all declarations first.
[06:07:02] <jessicah> that was the original standard :p but yes, having to use gcc2 is a pain when it comes to third party software =/
[06:07:14] <jessicah> lots of patches that wouldn't be needed if were using gcc4
[06:08:06] <ohnx|irccloud> but for something like 2 semicolons, allowing more won't break any old code right?
[06:08:32] <jessicah> probably not
[06:08:42] <jessicah> but we're not in the habit of patching gcc2 :p
[06:08:59] <ohnx|irccloud> oh i thought you had your own fork of it?
[06:09:47] <jessicah> we do
[06:10:45] <jessicah> but the changes are kept to a minimum
[06:10:51] <jessicah> and is mostly platform support
[06:11:31] <jessicah> stuff like teaching linker how to function, platform startup code, etc.
[06:11:35] <ohnx|irccloud> ah k
[06:11:59] <jessicah> it's easier to fix two semicolons in source code than to modify gcc :p
[06:12:16] <ohnx|irccloud> true :p
[06:12:19] <wmdurand> How do I add the patch to fix this for current version?
[06:13:07] <jessicah> wmdurand: uh, context?
[06:13:21] <jessicah> I don't know what you're talking about (:
[06:13:27] <scottmc> see the haikuports wiki page of making patches for ports
[06:13:35] <wmdurand> adding in patch to remove double semicolon when compile.
[06:13:39] <wmdurand> thanks. Just found it.
[06:13:54] <jessicah> oh yeah, use my guide :)
[06:14:00] <jessicah> it helped a lot of GCI students last year
[06:14:22] <scottmc> oh yes. thanks for that
[06:14:24] <jessicah> patching with haikuporter is overly complex :(
[06:14:25] <wmdurand> where is the guide?
[06:16:54] <scottmc> Stephanie getting any further yet?
[06:17:05] <jessicah> don't think so
[06:17:13] <jessicah> she hasn't replied yet
[06:17:23] <Stephanie> Yup, thanks to jessicah the repos just finished cloning :D :D :D
[06:17:40] <jessicah> if you cloned the haiku repo from github, then there's one more step
[06:18:04] <jessicah> git fetch --all --tags
[06:18:17] <Stephanie> I cloned from git.haiku-os.org/haiku
[06:18:24] <Stephanie> Do I still do that?
[06:18:27] <jessicah> okay, then you should have the tags
[06:18:29] <jessicah> nop :)
[06:18:39] <Stephanie> Ok but just curious, what do the tags do?
[06:18:44] <jessicah> when you clone from github, it doesn't have the tags, which confuses the build system
[06:19:04] <Stephanie> Ah
[06:19:07] <jessicah> they give us a linear history
[06:19:12] <jessicah> like hrev12345
[06:19:23] <jessicah> similar to how revisions work in svn
[06:19:47] <jessicah> the github ui breaks if we add the tags there, so we omit them when mirroring to github
[06:19:53] <wmdurand> what does the -e option in haikuporter do?
[06:19:56] <jessicah> the tags for buildtools don't matter
[06:20:38] <Stephanie> So why do I not need to get tags for other projects I work on that are on github?
[06:20:41] <ohnx|irccloud> what was the problem?
[06:20:53] <jessicah> it's a haiku specific design
[06:21:01] <ohnx|irccloud> they don't use haiku's build system
[06:21:06] <Stephanie> Oh I see
[06:21:41] <Stephanie> ohnx I don't think I was using the right type of adapter - I didn't specify it past NAT
[06:21:50] <ohnx|irccloud> ah
[06:23:19] <Stephanie> Well thanks for helping and saving me 50 bajillion hours of pain XD appreciate it
[06:24:41] <jessicah> it's what we're here for (:
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[06:47:26] <scottmc> wmdurand did you still have an issue with libbsd? korli might know the answer
[06:47:56] <scottmc> if he's really awake ;)
[06:49:19] <FlyingJester> libbsd?
[06:49:25] <wmdurand> yeah
[06:49:57] <FlyingJester> Wow, I had no idea that existed. I wonder if it has kqueue...
[06:50:14] <Stephanie> After building haiku, is running it just restarting?
[06:50:56] <korli> hi scottmc
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[06:51:48] <scottmc> hey korli how's things going?
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[06:53:12] <korli> fine but slow in the morning, you're still up :)
[06:55:12] <scottmc> 10pm here. i'll likely be up till midnight tonight.
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[06:56:44] <jessicah> hey korli
[07:00:36] <ohnx|irccloud> Stephanie: what do you mean?
[07:00:58] <ohnx|irccloud> you need to make an iso
[07:01:07] <ohnx|irccloud> and use that to install it on a new vm
[07:01:24] <Stephanie> Oh that makes more sense than just restarting :P
[07:02:08] <ohnx|irccloud> what command did you run to build!
[07:02:12] <ohnx|irccloud> ?*
[07:03:06] <Stephanie> jam -q -j2 @nightly-raw
[07:03:21] <jessicah> change to @nightly-cd to make an iso
[07:05:03] <wmdurand> korli, I've been trying to get libbsd to link with building the signify package, but it keeps saying libbsd not installed. any ideas?
[07:07:36] <korli> libbsd.so is a bsd compatibility lib provided by haiku, not a haikuports package
[07:09:27] <wmdurand> how do you link to it then? everything I tried didn't work (-lbsd, setting the path manually, etc.)
[07:10:02] <PulkoMandy> often you also need to #define _BSD_SOURCE (or add -D_BSD_SOURCE to compiler flags) to enable the declarations in the .h files
[07:10:02] <wmdurand> what var should I set that on for make?
[07:10:35] <jessicah> export LDFLAGS+=-lbsd should probably work?
[07:10:46] <PulkoMandy> yes
[07:11:04] <PulkoMandy> usually I do CFLAGS=-D_BSD_SOURCE LDFLAGS=-lbsd runConfigure ./configure ...
[07:11:38] <wmdurand> it doesn't have a configure script.
[07:11:59] <wmdurand> would that present any issues for the bsd loading?
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[07:15:41] <PulkoMandy> wmdurand: not a problem, just adjust the variables directly or pass them to make then. But it will be a custom buildsystem so you need to analyze it and find the right way to set the variables (and the names of the variables)
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[07:16:29] <PulkoMandy> mh, it seems they expect a different libbsd, maybe it is not compatible with ours
[07:17:03] <PulkoMandy> this one
[07:18:02] <wmdurand> running pkg-config --list-all doesn't include it.
[07:18:35] <PulkoMandy> yes, because the libbsd included with haiku is not compatible and doesn't come with a pkg-config description
[07:19:27] <wmdurand> ah.
[07:19:44] <wmdurand> well, they have their bundled option, but that blows up for other reasons.
[07:20:11] <korli> ah i'd suggest using the bundled one
[07:20:54] <PulkoMandy> the "bundled" one downloads libbsd sources and builds that with a patch
[07:21:21] <korli> funny
[07:21:22] <wmdurand> only patches if using mucl, but that fails on the features.h not being where it expects
[07:22:08] <PulkoMandy> yes, currently we don't have features.h in our libc
[07:22:27] <PulkoMandy> which is why you need to #define _BSD_SOURCE manually to use Haiku's provided BSD functions
[07:22:58] <PulkoMandy> I would try that first, add -D_BSD_SOURCE and -lbsd (and removing the pkg-config call) and see how far this gets
[07:23:27] <PulkoMandy> if we are missing some functions, we can see about taking them from freedesktop's libbsd and adding them to Haiku's libbsd
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[07:28:33] <Stephanie> When I build with the gcc2 command, it works but I can't run because "WebKit build feature not available for x86_gcc2", and when I try to build with the gcc4 command, it doesn't work at all.
[07:30:42] <wmdurand> PulkoMandy, Where do I need to add that define?
[07:31:14] <wmdurand> I now have it breaking on no string.h
[07:31:39] <PulkoMandy> Stephanie: that warning with WebKit is harmless, you will just not have a web browser
[07:31:49] <PulkoMandy> (you can install it after running the image)
[07:32:50] <PulkoMandy> wmdurand: replace lines 139-146 in the makefile with LIBBSD_CFLAGS := -D_BSD_SOURCE \n LIBBSD_LDFLAGS := -lbsd
[07:32:51] * IIsiHaiku catches up
[07:33:20] <Stephanie> PulkoMandy so do I just wait even though the message shows up?
[07:34:30] <IIsiHaiku> Trying to rearrange items in LnLauncher by dragging dumped me into debug land, then Haiku died when I naively told debugger to kill the faulting task.
[07:34:40] <IIsiHaiku> Thank goodness for Echelog and IRCCloud!
[07:34:41] <Stephanie> Out of memory while running lol
[07:34:43] <PulkoMandy> Stephanie: yes
[07:35:12] <PulkoMandy> ah, you will need more ram in your virtual machine (I think about 2GB minimum for compiling Haiku)
[07:35:26] <PulkoMandy> and I must run to work now, I'm late :)
[07:35:40] <Stephanie> Thanks for your help!
[07:35:49] <IIsiHaiku> ttfn Pulko
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[07:36:40] <wmdurand> can't even get it to compile with those flags.
[07:37:03] <wmdurand> what was the supposed issue with features.h again?
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[07:39:41] <korli> wmdurand: can't say
[07:40:01] <wmdurand> apparently it is present in haiku/src/system/libroot/posix/glibc/include/features.h
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[07:41:29] <korli> it's part of glibc, private part of libroot.so
[07:42:24] <korli> wmdurand: what's the problem with the flags suggested by PulkoMandy
[07:45:21] <wmdurand> korli, it's saying "no include path in which to find string.h
[07:46:15] <korli> wmdurand: does /system/develop/headers/compatibility/bsd/string.h exist?
[07:47:11] <wmdurand> no compatibility dir
[07:48:25] <korli> hmm /system/develop/headers/bsd/string.h maybe?
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[07:54:41] <korli> could you also explain which file/line tries to include string.h? that would help to understand the problem
[07:54:44] <korli> hi humdinger
[07:55:03] <wmdurand> yeah, that's there.
[07:55:06] <humdinger> morning korli
[08:02:40] <wmdurand> ^^korli
[08:04:58] <Stephanie> How long should making an ISO take? The process has been running for like half an hour :/
[08:05:52] <humdinger> depends on the hardware of course, but a first compile of Haiku does take quite long...
[08:06:06] <wmdurand> did you specify -j8 or something like that?
[08:06:26] <wmdurand> I left my first configure and compile running over night
[08:06:29] <humdinger> ^ assuming you have assigned enough cores to yur vm
[08:06:35] <Stephanie> I specified -j2
[08:06:51] <wmdurand> then it should probably max CPU
[08:06:58] <korli> wmdurand: weird next string.h should be available in /system/headers/posix
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[08:10:49] <scottmc> what would be the minimum VM settings in order to build Haiku in Ubunutu and/or Haiku? I think I need to update the task to add this info
[08:11:33] <humdinger> I've never built Haiku in a VM
[08:12:29] <scottmc> I guess we will ask Stephanie tomorrow if/when Haiku finishes building...
[08:13:05] <Stephanie> lol it's past 1 am and I really want to wait but I have no idea if it'll finish soon
[08:14:00] <scottmc> i'd say call it a night and check it in the morning. In a VM it can take awhile, maybe 1-3 hours?
[08:14:06] <jessicah> my ubuntu VM has 1.5GB of RAM
[08:14:15] <wmdurand> I would leave it running overnight and then see if it is done in the morning. Even when on hardware, it can take hourse
[08:14:24] <jessicah> I also assign 4 virtual CPUs to mine
[08:14:27] <scottmc> i'm going to recommend 2GB for now.
[08:14:35] <jessicah> so I can build with -j4
[08:14:49] <Stephanie> Dumb question - putting my computer to sleep will stop the process right?
[08:14:52] <jessicah> and VM disk is on SSD; it can finish a build in < 30 hour
[08:14:55] <jessicah> yes
[08:15:04] <Stephanie> Ok just making sure lol
[08:15:11] <jessicah> well, a fresh build in < half hour
[08:15:21] <Stephanie> Yeah I have 2 GB ram
[08:15:38] <Stephanie> Well good night (morning) guys :P
[08:15:44] <jessicah> goodnight Stephanie :)
[08:15:57] <humdinger> cu Stephanie
[08:16:11] <wmdurand> sleep well
[08:17:12] <scottmc> ok, added VM recommended minimum settings to the Compile Haiku task. We will see what works and adjust from there
[08:17:25] <wmdurand> korli, I don't have a /system/headers folder
[08:18:11] <scottmc> systems/develop/headers
[08:18:18] <humdinger> wmdurand: insert "develop"
[08:18:54] <jessicah> humdinger: I don't have a /system/headers/develop folder! :p
[08:19:21] <scottmc> he said insert, just didn't say where
[08:19:22] <humdinger> had a clown for lunch, eh? :)
[08:19:40] <humdinger> I give clues, no solutions
[08:20:01] <jessicah> (:
[08:20:03] <scottmc> whereas i just lead ppl astray
[08:20:31] <humdinger> they call him swamplight
[08:20:37] <wmdurand> good lord, signify...
[08:20:48] <humdinger> testify!
[08:21:17] <wmdurand> i see no signify-cant reason not to
[08:21:28] <wmdurand> wow, that was a horrible pun.
[08:21:39] <humdinger> o lordy
[08:24:13] <IIsiHaiku> wmdurand: /boot/system/develop/headers/posix/string.h
[08:24:53] * IIsiHaiku wavers, spots a pillow
[08:25:11] <IIsiHaiku> Coming in hot!
[08:25:21] * IIsiHaiku is away: zzz
[08:25:25] <wmdurand> that exists
[08:25:45] <scottmc> BeVexed's timer only shows minutes and seconds, it should show hours or more even. I left a game open and it's been 537:21 now.
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[08:26:22] <jessicah> lol
[08:26:36] <humdinger> scottmc: or stop the clock after an hour idling and yell at the user
[08:27:20] <scottmc> like block the view of the tiles and auto-pause after 10 minutes of idol time
[08:29:40] <jessicah> BeMines does the first thing when it loses focus
[08:30:21] <scottmc> that'd probably be the best way to do it. hide tiles and pause when focus is lost
[08:30:45] <humdinger> or: show the user's screensaver in the window
[08:31:16] <jessicah> lol
[08:32:11] <humdinger> or: subtly change the game state every few seconds. that'll teach the little cheat!
[08:32:20] <jessicah> lol
[08:35:05] <King_Warg> sweet this old socket 4 motherboard is still good
[08:35:55] * King_Warg wonders what the cpu instructuion set required for haiku x86 is...
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[08:36:17] <DHowett> probably what, MMX?
[08:36:20] <King_Warg> doubt it would work on the original original pentium 1 :p
[08:37:08] <King_Warg> certainly no MMX there
[08:38:07] <King_Warg> this is the only socket 4 board i have ever seen :D
[08:38:52] <scottmc> solved it. time:549:51 5x5 board.
[08:38:59] <King_Warg> its odd because they offset 3 memory sockets by 45 degres and one is normal
[08:39:20] <King_Warg> oh right because of the drive cage..
[08:40:00] <humdinger> scottmc: made it to the highscores?
[08:40:41] <humdinger> would be a nice easter egg. special gratulations for the worst +240 minutes time
[08:43:27] <scottmc> it did, but only cuz it was the first game i completed of 5x5
[08:44:45] * humdinger hands over the medal, shakes hands
[08:44:55] <humdinger> well done
[08:46:55] <scottmc> new high, err low? 06:58
[08:47:25] <humdinger> am or pm? :P
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[09:19:15] <scottmc> welcome GCI students. If you have any questions just ask
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[09:32:05] <korli> scottmc: FYI the task wmdurand is working on isn't easy to solve and develop
[09:32:31] <wmdurand> do you think that I should just move on again?
[09:36:30] <korli> wmdurand: porting some software to haiku isn't straightforward when they use strange APIs plus strange build systems. I would spend time on something more rewarding. this task should probably split
[09:36:41] <korli> *be splitted*
[09:37:48] <wmdurand> thanks for the advice. I already took a break earlier to port libsodium; somethings are definitely harder to port.
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[09:47:36] <King_Warg> like wine -.-
[09:49:48] <FlyingJester> Firefox/Gecko would be an epic port.
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[09:50:15] <King_Warg> so would wine :p
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[11:37:30] <Stephanie> :( build failure - too dead atm at 4 am to figure out why but yeah running didn't work
[11:38:57] <King_Warg> seems like 5:37 a.m. here (:
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[14:56:01] <HaikuUser> Hello everyone
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[14:58:03] <HaikuUser> Hello everyone
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[15:47:33] <miqlas-H> Hi Guys!
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[15:56:22] <Dacian> hello, I'm trying to compile haiku and when I try to clone haiku from github it says unable to access git.haiku-os.org/haiku
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[15:59:23] <ValeT> How are you cloning Dacian?
[15:59:26] <ValeT> Can you copy the command
[15:59:27] <ValeT> ?
[16:01:03] <ValeT> What about cloning the mirror from github.com?
[16:01:05] <ValeT> Does that work?
[16:01:09] <ValeT> I think it is up to date...
[16:03:37] <Dacian> I'm on windows, should I try to compile haiku on windows?
[16:04:45] <mmu_man> no it's not supported
[16:04:58] <mmu_man> Someone gave it a try but it's not documented properly yet
[16:05:13] <mmu_man> miqlas: cool
[16:06:20] <Dacian> then i have to compile it in virtual box in haiku?
[16:08:20] <miqlas> ValeT: i think the github repo doesn't have hrev tags, but it is required to compile haiku.
[16:09:10] <mmu_man> Dacian: do you have an http proxy or something ?
[16:09:18] <mmu_man> Dacian: yes, or on linux
[16:11:09] <ValeT> Ah, ok miqlas
[16:11:20] <ValeT> I didn't know that thank yoy
[16:11:22] <ValeT> *you
[16:11:59] <mmu_man> yeah github can't stand that many tags
[16:12:04] <mmu_man> it goes nuts
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[16:23:22] <ohnx|irccloud> ui dies
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[16:49:45] <ohnx> wb
[16:54:33] <wmdurand> morning, ohnx.
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[17:33:36] <scottmc> miqlas got it to work finally?
[17:34:00] <scottmc> Stephanie did it finish compiling overnight?
[17:34:50] <Stephanie> I left my laptop on, but it turned dark and the build failed, then I tried again setting my computer to "do nothing" when I close the lid, but it stopped again, so this is like the 4th time building XD XD
[17:35:44] <scottmc> it should pick up from where it stalled, is it running again now then?
[17:36:19] <Stephanie> When it stops, it says "build failed" and goes back to the ~>, waiting for a command
[17:36:42] <ohnx|irccloud> you're building on haiku?
[17:36:50] <Stephanie> Oh so after compiling fails and I type the command in again, it starts from where it left off?
[17:36:50] <Stephanie> Yes
[17:37:09] <ohnx|irccloud> it starts off from where it stopped
[17:37:33] <ohnx|irccloud> do you notice any errors getting spat out?
[17:37:50] <Stephanie> No, nothing seems to be wrong in Terminal
[17:38:23] <Stephanie> It's been going from 12-4 am, then 8-9:15 am, then 9:30 to now :/
[17:38:37] <ohnx|irccloud> jessicah: what was that folder you told me to delete again?
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[17:42:17] <Stephanie> Does haiku compile in a certain order where I can look in the folders and see how far down the process is?
[17:42:48] <ohnx|irccloud> post the terminal output
[17:43:28] <humdinger> Stephanie: the files while are put mostly into generated/objects, but that won't give much clue how far it's got
[17:43:28] <scottmc> you can look in the generate folder and see if things are appearing there. You might need to delete stuff in the folder for it to regenerate them. one student had to do that
[17:43:48] <ohnx> i had to
[17:43:55] <humdinger> if you use jam with -q it should stop near where it fails.
[17:44:11] <humdinger> the terminal output would help.
[17:44:22] <Stephanie> LinkApplicationCatalog1 is where it's at - moving too quickly to catch anything specific
[17:44:34] <humdinger> You also use find (alt+f) and search for "fail" or something
[17:45:07] <humdinger> (in terminal)
[17:45:08] <Stephanie> fail - text not found
[17:45:33] <ohnx|irccloud> consider pasting the logs maybe?
[17:45:39] <humdinger> maybe "error" then.
[17:45:47] <humdinger> depends on the kind of failure of course
[17:47:27] <humdinger> looks like it's still building...
[17:47:54] <humdinger> use a something like sprunge.us instead to paste more text.
[17:47:55] <scottmc> Dacian since you are on windows you will need to use a VM to build Haiku. You can use a Haiku or Ubunutu VM, just be sure to give it enough ram and HDD space to build, see minimum specs in the task description. Once you get the VM set up, verify that the network is running, you may need to adjust the network card settings
[17:49:04] <Stephanie> How do I do that from haiku to windows?
[17:49:17] <humdinger> just paste within Haiku
[17:49:21] <scottmc> well i'm heading off to work. Have fun all. I'll check tasks online, but won't be watching IRC
[17:49:42] <humdinger> scottmc: make us proud
[17:53:42] <Stephanie> Ubuntu pastebin is being really slow - I have to go to class now, but I'll post the link when I can
[17:53:48] <Stephanie> Thanks for the help
[17:54:14] <humdinger> Stephanie: ok
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[18:11:47] <ohnx> miqlas: is that a pdf viewer?
[18:11:59] <miqlas> yeah
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[18:25:49] <mmu_man> :)
[18:26:04] <mmu_man> ohnx: and it's a library too, so we could use it as backend for BePDF
[18:26:36] <ohnx> what does BePDF use right now?
[18:27:15] <humdinger> xpdf
[18:29:43] <miqlas> poppler is a fork of xpdf3
[18:30:45] <humdinger> aha. should be easier to replacethen, if it has advantages
[18:34:40] <mmu_man> it's likely more up to date
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[18:36:58] <miqlas> it can provide (unsupported) xpdf header files too, so i think it could be really easy...
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[18:37:57] <miqlas> i'll redo the recipe what i lost yesterday. should i enable the xpdf headers on haiku?
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[18:45:16] <miqlas> btw how can i pull my remote branches?
[18:46:52] <miqlas> i already cloned the official haikuports repo, but how can i pull my branches from github?
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[18:55:11] <mmu_man> miqlas:
[18:55:19] <mmu_man> git remote add github git@...
[18:55:21] <mmu_man> git fetch --all
[18:55:31] <miqlas> lemme check
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[18:58:45] <miqlas> ok, i did it. now i have miqlas/xyz branches
[18:58:59] <miqlas> but if i list them with git branch i get just master
[18:59:34] <miqlas> how can i add the remote branches, that they will be listed with "git branch"?
[18:59:38] <mmu_man> it lists local branches by default
[18:59:53] <mmu_man> git branch -va
[19:00:05] <mmu_man> you can check it out by name
[19:00:10] <mmu_man> git checkout xyz
[19:00:23] <mmu_man> should find it in the remote and branch locally from it
[19:00:44] <ValeT> git checkout branch name is the way to do it....
[19:00:52] <miqlas> then i need to pull them somehow automatized, so it generates the local branches for all the remote branch
[19:01:26] <mmu_man> hmm you'll have to script it with the shell I think
[19:01:28] <miqlas> but i think "git checkout every_remote_branches" won't work...
[19:01:47] <mmu_man> for b in `git branch -r`; do ...
[19:02:08] <mmu_man> (you'll have to filter out the HEAD -> ... thing)
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[19:02:52] <mmu_man> you don't need to have them locally to browse their history though
[19:02:56] <mmu_man> git log github/foo
[19:02:59] <mmu_man> tig
[19:03:03] <mmu_man> tig github/foo
[19:03:06] <mmu_man> will work
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[19:12:20] <miqlas> thanks, i got them listed in git branches, but as i told all of them have a name like "miqlas/something", but before the bfs crash i had just the "something" as branch name. can i somehow remove the "miqlas/" part?
[19:15:36] <PulkoMandy> the miqlas/ is the remote branch
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[19:15:56] <PulkoMandy> when you do a "git checkout xyz" it will create "xyz" automatically from "miqlas/xyz"
[19:16:05] <PulkoMandy> so just checkout the ones you need and they will be created
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[19:20:30] <miqlas> PulkoMandy: : i checked out all of them with a bash script, so now i see plenty miqlas/things
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[19:21:54] <miqlas> i did surely something wrong.
[19:22:16] <PulkoMandy> copying bash scripts from IRC without checking is wrong ;)
[19:22:35] <miqlas> stackoverlow was the source :)
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[19:33:12] <jessicah> ohnx|irccloud: build_packages
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[19:49:34] <jessicah> miqlas: easiest thing to do is paste terminal output, else all we can do is guess
[19:50:16] <ohnx|irccloud> jessicah: you mean for steph's build problems right?
[19:51:47] <jessicah> don't know what her problem is yet
[19:52:02] <jessicah> need more logs
[19:52:23] <ohnx|irccloud> yeah
[19:53:29] <jessicah> there's not much point in guessing
[19:53:54] <jessicah> always lots of things that could go wrong
[19:54:01] <kallisti5> the new anyboot is up
[19:54:16] <jessicah> :)
[19:54:36] <kallisti5> pretty much just an .iso vs .image If you have weird and wonderful burning software , virtualization software, etc... giving it a test as a cd would be helpful
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[20:03:18] <miqlas> jessicah: i did it with hand already.
[20:03:42] <miqlas> now all the remotes checked out as "branchname"
[20:04:00] <miqlas> so it is "fish" instead of "miqlas/fish2
[20:04:07] <miqlas> 2="
[20:04:18] <jessicah> ok (:
[20:05:45] <miqlas> jessica, btw: what do Haiku need to be able to boot on UEFI based computers? As far as i know, after the uefi merge now it can boot the kernel, but it will crrashsomewhere later. Surely not something trivial...
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[20:06:26] <jessicah> not trivial at all
[20:07:04] <jessicah> launch daemon and all child processes crash with page faults
[20:07:36] <miqlas> Somehow my fish port sometimes (but just sometimes) hang if i press ctrl-c. cpu load for one core goes high, and i need to kill the fish instance. Idk why it is happening....
[20:08:21] <miqlas> have you idea what is the culprint? something not initialised correctly?
[20:08:37] <miqlas> or is something not yet implemented?
[20:08:44] <jessicah> I don't know yet
[20:09:06] <jessicah> else it would be fixed already :p
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[20:10:00] <jessicah> was hoping some other devs would look into it now that it's merged
[20:10:14] <jessicah> but no such luck
[20:10:40] <miqlas> YET
[20:11:05] <miqlas> anyway, thanks for your hard work Jessica!
[20:20:03] <PulkoMandy> I was discussing ACPI mappings with one of my colleagues the other day
[20:20:11] <PulkoMandy> could be part of the problem
[20:21:21] <PulkoMandy> miqlas: I have the same 100% cpu usage on ctrl+c problem with ninja
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[20:26:54] <Vidrep> Hi
[20:27:07] <Vidrep> How is GCI going?
[20:28:49] <PulkoMandy> fine so far, most students still at their first or second task
[20:29:04] <PulkoMandy> 63 students have at least tried one of our tasks
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[20:29:16] <PulkoMandy> 17 have completed at least one
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[20:33:17] <Vidrep> I've been working on my task for the past 2 days
[20:33:50] <Vidrep> Testing to prove/disprove your reply to the forum post
[20:34:24] <Vidrep> I've comeup with another interesting issue with our boot loader that I had not contemplated
[20:34:46] <Vidrep> When would be a good time to discuss it?
[20:35:02] <Vidrep> I don't want to take away from mentoring time
[20:38:36] <PulkoMandy> well, now is better, the students aren't at full speed yet :)
[20:38:44] <PulkoMandy> (and the channel seems rather quiet right now)
[20:39:53] <Vidrep> Here's what I learned...The Haiku BootManager is incapable of booting any partition beyond 2.2TB
[20:40:24] <Vidrep> You can boot it from the CD, but not from the Boot Menu
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[20:42:15] <PulkoMandy> which one are we talking about?
[20:42:28] <PulkoMandy> selecting a partition from the boot menu?
[20:42:36] <PulkoMandy> or the BootMan menu? not the same thing
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[20:44:46] <Vidrep> My HDD is 2.73TiB. If I create four equal sized partitions of 698.63GiB, the last one will not boot via the BootManager menu. It will only boot from the CD boot menu.
[20:45:49] <Vidrep> That is because the last partition is beyond 2.2TiB. If I resize the last wo partitions, so the last one is before 2.2TiB, all is well
[20:45:55] <Vidrep> two
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[20:48:26] <Vidrep> I can repeat this experiment over again and get the same result
[20:48:29] <PulkoMandy> still, is that the BootMan menu (the one with colored entries) or selecting a boot volume from the boot menu? (holding shift or space to get there)?
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[20:49:00] <Vidrep> The BootMan menu
[20:49:16] <PulkoMandy> ok
[20:49:24] <PulkoMandy> and from the CD it is the other one?
[20:49:33] <Vidrep> Selecting the boot volume on the install CD works OK
[20:50:08] <PulkoMandy> ok, well that's kind of expected, bootman is old code :)
[20:50:27] <miqlas> I'm just wondering if we could extend the haikuporter script to do the compilation on ramdisk... It would maybe solve my BFS corruption problems.
[20:50:29] <Vidrep> So, for now, if you have a
[20:51:11] <miqlas> PulkoMandy: could it be a readline problem or something like that?
[20:51:11] <PulkoMandy> miqlas: you can mount a ramdisk at the work directory before running HaikuPorter
[20:51:33] <PulkoMandy> ninja does not use readline
[20:51:36] <miqlas> yeah, but one cannot do that on the buildbots.
[20:51:50] <PulkoMandy> but yes, either some shared code, or some common UNIX hackery trick
[20:52:16] <Vidrep> ...a hard drive larger than 2TiB your chances of booting any of your partitions beyond that with the BootMan menu is nil
[20:52:21] <miqlas> i 'll check the fish and the ninja recipe, maybe i see there something
[20:54:06] <miqlas> I found only one match in the ninja and the fish recipe: python
[20:54:12] <Vidrep> Another thing, is that you must invoke "writembr" before "BootManager" in order for it to work
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[20:54:58] <PulkoMandy> that is strange, bootman is supposed to erase what writembr does
[20:55:01] <Vidrep> In theory it shouldn't work that way, as I understood your reply in the forum. But in practice on real hardware is another thing
[20:55:39] <PulkoMandy> it would be interesting to get a copy of the first few sectors of the drive at the different steps (before writembr, after writembr, after bootman)
[20:55:58] <Vidrep> I tried to create a BootManager menu without writembr and it didn't work
[20:55:58] <PulkoMandy> I'm wondering if writembr is adding a legacy intel partition scheme and then bootman somehow relying on it
[20:56:17] <PulkoMandy> yes, would be interesting to find the difference (there should be none, but there is)
[20:56:40] <Vidrep> I took more photos of each step as I did them, just in case :)
[20:58:59] <Vidrep> I had my PC set up for serial logging the boot as well. Only the 64 bit installation CD "sees" the GPT partitions. I still cannot boot any GPT partition using any other anyboot image (using the CD boot menu)
[21:00:21] <Vidrep> Too bad we don't have a working webchat client with webcam support. I could go through it with you in real time.
[21:02:41] <Vidrep> Seeing is believing :)
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[21:12:05] <jessicah> bootman doesn't support gpt
[21:12:13] <HaikuUser2> hi
[21:12:37] <jessicah> it's completely different mbr code
[21:13:19] <humdinger> hi HaikuUser2
[21:13:40] <humdinger> you can change your user name by typing "/nick coolname"
[21:13:59] <Vidrep> jessicah, you're right. But, it does boot GPT partitions below 2.2TiB.
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[21:14:36] <humdinger> or you can quit...
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[21:14:47] <Vidrep> Hi humdinger
[21:14:53] <humdinger> and come back again...
[21:14:55] <humdinger> hi Vidrep
[21:15:05] <ch3ls3a> Hello everyone my name is Chelsea Lavonya from Cameroon and I am participating to the GCI2017 and I decided to do so with Haaiku.I am a newbie to open source so I hope to get greqt support from the Haiku community
[21:15:33] <maxxcan> hi ch3ls3a
[21:15:40] <humdinger> ch3ls3a: welcome
[21:16:07] <ch3ls3a> Thanks very much for the warm greetings
[21:16:20] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, jessicah, humdinger - I'll leave you now to tend to the GCI students. Thanks all!
[21:16:21] <maxxcan> My name is maxxcan and I used linux for long time ago but I just use Haiku only for two
[21:16:59] <humdinger> maxxcan: good. so you're moving forward... :)
[21:17:23] <maxxcan> humdinger, yes
[21:18:11] <humdinger> so, what task's next?
[21:18:35] <maxxcan> I´d like to collaborate with the Haiku community
[21:19:02] <maxxcan> but I don´t know really how
[21:19:22] <maxxcan> ch3ls3a, I´m in Haiku OS now
[21:19:33] <maxxcan> it´s very easy to install
[21:19:47] <maxxcan> and with pkgman is funniest
[21:21:07]
<ch3ls3a> I have already downloaded the VirtualBox for my Windows machine and the Nightly image too at the homepage for the Nightly image...The name of the file I downloaded is haiku-nightly-hrev50717-x86_gcc2_hybrid-anyboot ..then I followed the steps on virtualisation and installing Haiku at https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/virtualizing/virtualbox but now I am stuck at the point of attach our ISO image with the Haiku installation to the virtual machine in the form o
[21:21:08] <ch3ls3a> f emulated CD-ROM drive
[21:22:09] <maxxcan> ch3ls3a is better the iso image
[21:22:52] <ch3ls3a> Because as I want to load it,i click the drop down menu of the CD Icon and while i browse to the location of the iso image which i extracted it does not even appear for me to select it
[21:22:59] <humdinger> I think both should work.
[21:23:18] <humdinger> you may have to rename it to .img
[21:23:23] <humdinger> or possible .iso?
[21:23:24] <jessicah> ch3ls3a: rename the file to .iso
[21:24:04] <jessicah> or choose "All files" in the drop down menu next to filename box
[21:24:14] <ch3ls3a> jessicah: ok let me try it then
[21:24:46] <maxxcan> I haven´t virtualbox and I can´t help, Sorry :(
[21:26:06] <ch3ls3a> jessicah: thanks seelms to be working...Let me finish with the rest of installation steps
[21:26:29] <maxxcan> ch3ls3a you can :)
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[21:28:11] <maxxcan> do anyone to know if any programer want to port Emacs for Haiku?
[21:28:35] <miqlas-H> jessicah: just bumped the fish recipe, maybe you are interrested....
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[21:30:09] <jessicah> maxxcan: we've had someone contributing a few patches, trying to get emacs working
[21:30:20] <ch3ls3a> Thanks alot for your help...It works fine
[21:30:27] <humdinger> maxxcan: I dunno. there's already "QEmacs" which may tie you over...
[21:30:30] <jessicah> but as far as I know, he hasn't finished working on it
[21:30:46] <humdinger> ch3ls3a: great success!
[21:31:14] <maxxcan> humdinger Qemacs isn´t a complete Emacs I think
[21:31:28] <humdinger> correct.
[21:31:41] <maxxcan> It´s more simple
[21:32:18] <maxxcan> I use Emacs for all, programing, write in my blog, e-mail, music, etc, etc
[21:32:22] <humdinger> I could mention "Vim", too...
[21:32:37] <maxxcan> if I had Emacs in Haiku I don´t need any more
[21:33:42] <maxxcan> but I supose that make the port have to be complicated
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[21:34:06] <humdinger> I suspect so. otherwise someone would have done it already.
[21:34:48] <maxxcan> do you think?
[21:35:09] <maxxcan> mmm
[21:35:56] <jessicah> mark hellegers, I think is his name, has been working on it
[21:36:41] <jessicah> but emacs wants to do static linking and stuff
[21:36:50] <jessicah> and that's pretty incompatible with haiku
[21:37:12] <jessicah> lots of linking issues
[21:37:17] <maxxcan> aha
[21:37:25] <maxxcan> thank you jessicah
[21:37:39] <jessicah> binaries are actually shared libraries on haiku
[21:37:51] <maxxcan> I´m looking for mark in google
[21:38:02] <jessicah> and dynamically loaded against runtime_loader
[21:38:10] <jessicah> it's a bit different to other systems
[21:39:25] <maxxcan> ok
[21:40:09] <maxxcan> but this problems would to be the same with another software
[21:40:23] <maxxcan> and for example there is a port of Opera
[21:41:36] <miqlas-H> Guys, can we exclude some windows from Workspaces? I don't really want to see my deskbar there
[21:41:52] <maxxcan> uff, Mark to want to port postgresql for Haiku
[21:42:58] <humdinger> maxxcan: he alrready has.
[21:43:03] <humdinger> miqlas-H: no. :)
[21:43:39] <maxxcan> humdinger, Already?? :O
[21:43:59] <humdinger> It's already in HaikUDepot
[21:46:44] <maxxcan> uoooh
[21:46:51] <maxxcan> in this article
[21:47:36] <maxxcan> says that Emacs is development
[21:47:57] <PulkoMandy> maybe mmu_man did some work on xemacs
[21:48:16] <PulkoMandy> possibly sxemacs is easier to build than gnu emacs, I saw they did a lot of cleanup to the buildsystem in that version
[21:48:24] <humdinger> things change in 6 years...
[21:48:25] <PulkoMandy> but I'm a vim user myself so my interest stopped there
[21:52:59] <PulkoMandy> possibly some screensavers too
[21:53:22] <PulkoMandy> (but moving away from those would allow to remove some hacks in the screensaver prefs)
[21:55:24] <maxxcan> PulkoMandy I see xemacs for Haiku
[21:55:33] <maxxcan> in a website
[21:57:08] <Vidrep> Question: Could the switch to the latest freetype and noto fonts have an effect on Print Preview?
[21:59:54] <Vidrep> I printed a document, and have Print Preview checked off. While the document itself prints OK, there is no viewable text in the preview window.
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[22:02:28] <maxxcan> maybe
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[22:44:52] <miqlas-H> Okay, it is crashing at start, but hey, i compiled it in 20 minutes!
[22:45:03] <miqlas-H> Do something better! :)
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[23:06:45] <R229> hi
[23:06:48] <Emrys> this year we have quite a few gci students who claim the "new to haiku" task then go mia
[23:06:56] <Emrys> hello
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[23:08:35] <R229> I want to build haiku , i typed "jam -q /boot/home/haiku" but it is not workking
[23:09:18] <Emrys> can you give me a link to your task?
[23:10:16] <wmdurand> how can i use gcc4 in haiku?
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[23:10:37] <PulkoMandy> wmdurand: setarch x86
[23:13:30] <wmdurand> PulkoMandy, How do I build an x86 only package? keeps saying that recipe is broken if i remove gcc2
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[23:15:07] <PulkoMandy> wmdurand: add _x86 to the package name: "haikuporter -S --get-dependencies which_x86" for example
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[23:19:17] <jessicah> I need to fix that --get-dependencies at some stage...
[23:19:30] <jessicah> was a pretty cheap hack :p
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[23:21:03] <wmdurand> it keeps saying that it is not found in repo
[23:21:47] <wmdurand> did `setarch x86` and added the secondaryArchSuffix, PulkoMandy
[23:22:42] <jessicah> as always, pastebin terminal output
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[23:26:16] <jessicah> wmdurand: have you also enabled secondary arch in your haikuporter config file?
[23:26:21] <jessicah> it's not enabled by default, iirc
[23:26:30] <wmdurand> ah
[23:26:40] <jessicah> we should probably change that... :p
[23:26:45] <jessicah> save a lot of headaches
[23:27:36] <wmdurand> yeah. found and set that config.
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[23:30:17] <R229> When I tryed to build haiku using "jam -a anyboot-image" " BUILD FALIURE: faild updating 1 target(s) " error appiers
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[23:37:03] <jessicah> R229: use jam @nightly-anyboot
[23:37:18] <wmdurand> thanks jessicah! Got it to work now :)
[23:37:28] <jessicah> no problem (:
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[23:43:57] <R229> @jessicah : thnk you jessicah I will try it :D
[23:50:10] <HAIKU-irker622> 77820c991371: Update more packages for x86_64.
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[23:52:36] <Stephanie> Finally got my ubuntu pastebin of the haiku compiling: paste.ubuntu.com/23560177
[23:53:36] <ohnx|irccloud> lol Stephanie
[23:53:50] <ohnx|irccloud> looks like it succeeded?
[23:53:56] <Stephanie> Oh is it done?
[23:54:11] <ohnx|irccloud> well it should be
[23:54:11] <Stephanie> Stuff is still happening in the terminal though
[23:54:19] <ohnx|irccloud> oh, it might be finishing up
[23:54:44] <Stephanie> Build failure just happened D:
[23:54:49] <ohnx|irccloud> aww
[23:54:51] <ohnx|irccloud> post that
[23:55:06] <Stephanie> ok
[23:55:17] <ohnx|irccloud> no need to post the 3600 lines in front ;)
[23:58:19] <Stephanie> Terminal froze so might take a little while :P
[23:58:26] <ohnx|irccloud> screenshot maybe?