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[00:16:31] <ValeT> Seems pretty quiet here today...
[00:16:32] <ValeT> :P
[00:16:48] <ValeT> I'm surprised not many gci students are online
[00:18:14] <kallisti5> are the builds broken?
[00:18:20] <kallisti5> seeing hpkg dependency issues
[00:19:17] <kallisti5> nevermind
[00:19:19] <kallisti5> no tags
[00:20:26] <_Dario_> hello. There is some page with the tasks that are being completed?
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[00:20:41] <_Dario_> (about the google code-in, of course)
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[00:32:38] <ValeT> _Dario_ are you asking for just the general page
[00:32:46] <ValeT> or specific to the tasks that you are mentoring
[00:33:00] <_Dario_> just the general page (I'm not a mentor)
[00:33:17] <ValeT> oh I don't think google has one
[00:33:35] <ValeT> I can only see the tasks that Haiku has completed
[00:33:45] <ValeT> I can't even see what other orgs have done
[00:33:48] <ValeT> rip
[00:33:49] <ValeT> sorry :(
[00:34:42] <_Dario_> No problem! I guess I'm confused with the Google summer of code... if I rememeber well, there used to be a page with all the task that were completed.
[00:34:47] <jessicah> _Dario_: no, you need to be a mentor to see the tasks
[00:35:12] <jessicah> they used to use melange in past years for GCI
[00:35:19] <jessicah> then they brought in a new platform last year
[00:35:29] <jessicah> which sucks so bad
[00:35:33] <jessicah> hey ValeT!
[00:35:49] <_Dario_> thanks for the info, jessicah !!
[00:36:18] <jessicah> melange was opensource, so people could provide pull requests to improve problem aspects of it
[00:36:25] <jessicah> but now it's all closed source
[00:36:50] <jessicah> seems a bit of a backwards step for a program promoting open source ;(
[00:36:58] <_Dario_> lol... it's true
[00:37:57] <_Dario_> is very unconfortable to have to push the "load more" button endlessly
[00:38:10] <_Dario_> just to view the list of tasks
[00:38:35] <jessicah> yeah, the UI is just terrible
[00:42:00] <AlienSoldier> all administrative/state files can be deleted or some require to stay for system stability?
[00:42:21] <jessicah> all can be deleted
[00:42:32] <AlienSoldier> pefect
[00:42:33] <jessicah> just means you won't be able to boot previous states
[00:42:56] <AlienSoldier> jessicah was there ever a simple way to boot previous state?
[00:43:14] <jessicah> press shift/space at boot
[00:43:42] <AlienSoldier> ok, make sense that i never saw the oprion before, i did not need to use that in ages
[00:43:50] <AlienSoldier> *option
[00:43:56] <jessicah> go into the select boot volume menu, select your volume, and if there are previous states, this will give you a list to choose from
[00:46:21] <AlienSoldier> 1.6G, it was worth it to delete that :)
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[00:47:21] <jessicah> yeah
[00:47:29] <jessicah> we don't have an automated way to tidy that up yet =/
[00:49:53] <Vidrep> Couldn't it be added to FilWip?
[00:50:01] <jessicah> to what?
[00:50:30] <Vidrep> Delete previos states
[00:50:34] <Vidrep> previous
[00:50:44] <jessicah> never heard of filwip
[00:51:05] <jessicah> anyway, I have plans to add cron daemon based on BServer
[00:51:40] <Vidrep> https://sites.google.com/site/appfilwip/
[00:55:09] <Vidrep> jessicah, i just downloaded the latest version and it already has provision to clean previous stae
[00:55:16] <Vidrep> stste
[00:55:20] <Vidrep> state
[00:59:02] <jessicah> ah
[00:59:09] <jessicah> must be in haikuarchives now then?
[00:59:49] <jessicah> mm, yeah.. https://github.com/HaikuArchives/FilWip
[01:03:09] <Vidrep> You'd have to dig deep to figure out what the app does
[01:03:39] <Vidrep> If it was simple called "Haiku Cleanup Manager" it would be obvious to all
[01:03:44] <ValeT> hey jessicah
[01:03:49] <ValeT> Long time no talk :D
[01:04:00] <jessicah> yep :p
[01:04:05] <jessicah> Vidrep: heh, yeah
[01:04:17] <jessicah> anyway, cleaning up of the package state should be handled by Haiku itself ideally
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[01:04:36] <jessicah> ValeT: how you been?
[01:04:43] <Vidrep> I vote for a name change +1
[01:04:44] <jessicah> I hear you're mentoring this year?
[01:04:46] <ValeT> Good, how about you?
[01:04:47] <ValeT> Yes!
[01:04:50] <ValeT> I'm really excited
[01:04:58] <ValeT> But I'm sad not many students are on :(
[01:05:02] <jessicah> I'm good :) not looking forward to the influx of students for GCI :p
[01:05:02] <Vidrep> ValeT is always excited
[01:05:07] <ValeT> lol
[01:05:08] <ValeT> yes
[01:05:21] <ValeT> Do you not like GCI as much as I do jessicah?
[01:05:23] <ValeT> lol
[01:05:27] <jessicah> maybe they haven't discovered IRC yet? dunno
[01:05:42] <jessicah> it's just the huge amount of emails and stuff it generates
[01:05:49] <jessicah> and the website is still absolutely shit
[01:05:51] <jessicah> ._.
[01:05:52] <ValeT> are you mentoring this year?
[01:06:05] <jessicah> I'm a mentor, yes, although I don't seem to be assigned to many tasks
[01:06:39] <ValeT> Well that will keep the emails down :|
[01:07:25] <jessicah> mm, I may have to prod scott to add me to more tasks
[01:08:08] <ValeT> hahaha I'm sure he will be excited to have more GCI work to do
[01:08:09] <ValeT> :D
[01:09:25] <Vidrep> scottmc was prodding me earlier today to do some mentoring for GCI
[01:09:31] <jessicah> we probably need a couple extra admins so it doesn't all fall on scott
[01:10:57] <ValeT> +1 me on the admin list
[01:10:58] <ValeT> lol
[01:11:04] <ValeT> Vidrep you should totally mentor
[01:11:19] <ValeT> You have more testing experience than I do by SOO MUCH
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[01:12:14] <Vidrep> I told him that I'd think about it. He wanted someone for beginner questions and answers
[01:12:50] <ValeT> You could help with some of the more advanced stuff too
[01:13:05] <ValeT> The beginner stuff should be offloaded to me because I have the most energy of all the mentors probably
[01:13:06] <ValeT> lol
[01:13:17] <Vidrep> I know NOTHING about code.
[01:14:02] <Vidrep> My answer would be "read the Haiku User Guide"
[01:14:25] <ValeT> :D
[01:15:49] <ValeT> that's what I'm gonna be like for a few things too probably
[01:16:02] <ValeT> I mean honestly I can't know everything
[01:16:12] <ValeT> So like its not bad to not be able to answer all the questions
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[01:16:50] <ValeT> That's why there are multiple mentors on each task
[01:17:44] <Vidrep> If the students ever show up on IRC, I can answer questions for which I am fairly certain that it is correct
[01:18:13] <Vidrep> Giving students a bum steer isn't a good thing
[01:18:21] <ValeT> Yea
[01:18:25] <jessicah> I think my biggest contribution last year to GCI was writing my walkthrough of making patches with haikuporter
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[01:18:33] <ValeT> Wha
[01:18:38] <ValeT> I don't even think I read that jessicah
[01:18:51] <jessicah> I think humdinger migrated it to the wiki too
[01:20:28] <jessicah> okay, I have no idea where he put it
[01:21:02] <ValeT> lol
[01:21:07] <ValeT> sorry :(
[01:24:10] <jessicah> https://gist.github.com/jessicah/7cb987f925321fde818c
[01:24:15] <jessicah> that's the original
[01:24:39] * jessicah sighs
[01:24:46] <jessicah> when are HDD prices going to drop?
[01:24:57] <jessicah> I want to get a new 8TB disk already ._.
[01:25:00] <ValeT> Yeah sorry never even saw that
[01:25:08] <ValeT> Brush just get a 3TB SSD
[01:25:13] <ValeT> like why HDD
[01:25:16] <ValeT> they are so slow
[01:25:25] <jessicah> I already have 2x3TB disks
[01:25:28] <jessicah> they're both full
[01:25:34] <Vidrep> A 3TB set me back $129CND
[01:25:35] <jessicah> I want to replace one with 8TB
[01:25:46] <ValeT> Thank you for linking the gist though, this is great information for new students to GCI
[01:25:48] <ValeT> :D
[01:25:50] <jessicah> move the 3TB data to the 8TB for my NAS
[01:25:55] <ValeT> I'm definitely gonna show it to them
[01:26:03] <ValeT> o
[01:26:04] <jessicah> and then I can use the 3TB one for a bunch of VMs
[01:26:08] <ValeT> Yea I see...
[01:26:17] <ValeT> But still get SSDs....
[01:26:17] <jessicah> I'm sure humdinger published it somewhere...
[01:26:24] <HAIKU-irker622> haiku.master: barrett * hrev50717 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=ecb395852e86+%5E8ab68339fbed
[01:26:25] <HAIKU-irker622>     ecb395852e86: Introduce BSimpleMediaClient
[01:26:25] <jessicah> my desktops all run on SSDs
[01:26:26] <ValeT> I think 4 TB SSDs exist
[01:26:32] <ValeT> plural?
[01:26:40] <jessicah> the spinning rust is for media
[01:26:42] <jessicah> yes
[01:27:01] <jessicah> this desktop has a samsung 500GB SSD, an Intel 60GB SSD, and Intel 120GB SSD
[01:27:14] <jessicah> and my media box has some mSATA SSD in it
[01:27:36] <jessicah> I'd add the 3TB disk to this box for my VMs to free up space
[01:27:41] <jessicah> and let me store media on my NAS again
[01:27:52] <ValeT> I created a cheat sheet for resources last year during GCI's competition and if any of you mentors would like to view it follow this link to the google doc https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZOygGSxVB3uRcInufdehd-4yHBwZiLLrFxCO1_mkK1o/edit?usp=sharing
[01:28:04] <ValeT> It includes a ton of information for app dev, recipes, etc
[01:28:18] <ValeT> So how many desktops do you have?
[01:28:20] <ValeT> 3?
[01:28:23] <jessicah> two
[01:28:30] <jessicah> this one, and my media centre box
[01:28:34] <ValeT> ah ok yea
[01:28:35] <ValeT> I see now
[01:28:35] <jessicah> the media box is an intel nuc
[01:28:42] <ValeT> Sorry my brain broke for a sec there :D
[01:28:56] <jessicah> I have a macbook air too which I rarely use
[01:29:01] <ValeT> ah
[01:29:05] <jessicah> I use it a bit more now that it's running Windows
[01:29:11] <jessicah> so much better than OSX
[01:29:18] <ValeT> but the airs are so good
[01:29:19] <ValeT> although I personally can't support apple....
[01:29:33] <ValeT> OMG OSX is SOOOOO much better than windows
[01:29:36] <ValeT> How can you say that
[01:29:43] <jessicah> it's terrible
[01:29:47] <ValeT> how....
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[01:30:05] <jessicah> I hate the UI with passion
[01:30:09] <jessicah> it's nasty
[01:30:24] <jessicah> I'm not too happy with the way the UI has developed with Windows 10...
[01:30:27] <ValeT> oh
[01:30:30] <jessicah> but it's still better than OSX
[01:30:35] <ValeT> Windows 10 is so much better than all the older windows
[01:30:43] <ValeT> See I actually like OS X and windows about the same
[01:30:50] <ValeT> Because they both have benefits and downfalls
[01:30:59] <jessicah> OSX has teensy buttons, UI controls that aren't keyboard accessible
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[01:31:03] <jessicah> fucked up security
[01:31:06] <ValeT> So for certain tasks I like OS X better, and then others i like windows better
[01:31:07] <ValeT> lol
[01:31:20] <jessicah> and apple like to purposefully limit their hardware
[01:31:21] <ValeT> "Apple computers can't get hacked they are invincible"
[01:31:26] <jessicah> psh
[01:31:30] <ValeT> Yea well I dislike apple as a company
[01:31:35] <ValeT> Because they support child labor
[01:31:42] <jessicah> I like Microsoft as a company more and more
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[01:31:44] <ValeT> Hence why I always buy a smartphone
[01:31:49] <ValeT> Really?
[01:31:52] <jessicah> yeah
[01:31:59] <jessicah> their contributions to opensource is massive
[01:32:00] <ValeT> What do you like about Microsoft?
[01:32:03] <ValeT> oh
[01:32:14] <ValeT> Is that all that is factored into your decision?
[01:32:19] <jessicah> nah
[01:32:23] <jessicah> they also make good hardware
[01:32:28] <ValeT> lol i concur
[01:32:29] <jessicah> I love their keyboards and mice
[01:32:36] <ValeT> yea
[01:32:45] <jessicah> my microsoft mouse is still going strong, 15 years later
[01:33:01] <jessicah> and they make really nice ergo keyboards
[01:33:14] <jessicah> I've been using microsoft ergo keyboards since I was like 15 or so
[01:33:31] <ValeT> I like Dell the most though
[01:33:38] <ValeT> They have the best hardware
[01:33:40] <ValeT> I think
[01:33:47] <jessicah> and vscode is my favourite editor nowadays
[01:33:53] <ValeT> ugh
[01:33:55] <jessicah> and I've always liked Visual Studio
[01:33:58] <ValeT> Atom is my favorite
[01:34:04] <jessicah> vscode is faster than atom
[01:34:06] <ValeT> eh
[01:34:09] <ValeT> its vscode tho
[01:34:19] <jessicah> what does that mean?
[01:34:24] <ValeT> Atom is multiplatform, simple, and lightweight
[01:34:32] <ValeT> VSCode is clunky, like all microsoft products tbh
[01:34:38] <jessicah> and their work on C# has been amazing
[01:34:43] <jessicah> and F# is very cool
[01:34:47] <jessicah> what?
[01:34:56] <jessicah> vscode is lightweight, multiplatform, and simple
[01:35:03] <ValeT> eh but see I disagree
[01:35:08] <ValeT> Atom is built for dumbasses like me
[01:35:11] <ValeT> VS is not
[01:35:12] <ValeT> lol
[01:35:15] <jessicah> what's clunky about vscode?
[01:35:19] <jessicah> it's not visual studio
[01:35:21] <jessicah> it's vscode
[01:35:24] <ValeT> OH
[01:35:26] <ValeT> idk then
[01:35:30] <jessicah> vscode is built on top of electron and stuff
[01:35:32] <mmu_man> they should stop doing music and do some software for a change :D
[01:35:34] <ValeT> I was talking about visual studio
[01:35:45] <jessicah> no no, vscode != visual studio
[01:35:51] <ValeT> It has so many options in its projects its honestly overwhelming
[01:35:54] <jessicah> it's like how javascript != java :p
[01:35:55] <ValeT> I've never used vscode
[01:36:04] <jessicah> it's like atom, but better :p
[01:36:11] <ValeT> lemme look this up on the google
[01:36:27] <jessicah> and for people that like vi, vscode has really good vi-emulation
[01:36:52] <ValeT> it looks a lot like atom
[01:37:08] <jessicah> vscode gets a lot of praise in hacker circles
[01:37:23] <jessicah> it's also fully opensource too :)
[01:37:58] <ValeT> lol "hacker circles
[01:37:59] <ValeT> "
[01:38:08] <jessicah> they've also implemented an open language service API
[01:38:34] <jessicah> so that other editors can implement to get same intellisense type support
[01:38:46] <jessicah> which is very cool :)
[01:39:48] <jessicah> mm, comments on places like hackernews love vscode :p
[01:40:00] <ValeT> "hackernews"
[01:40:10] <ValeT> I hope most people realize that real hackers probably just live on reddit
[01:40:37] <ValeT> its sad most people think hackers of gross people that shower once a year and never eat anything healthy
[01:40:47] <scanty> how does one install vscode on debian?  I see there is a .deb package but don't know what to do from there
[01:40:53] <ValeT> The stereotype always frustrates me
[01:40:54] <ValeT> Sorry that's a side tangent
[01:41:21] <jessicah> scanty: uh, I think you want to use dpkg to install
[01:41:39] <jessicah> ValeT: heh, yeah, or that there are no women >_<
[01:42:22] <jessicah> ValeT: mm, hackernews is actually pretty good
[01:42:22] <ValeT> i feel like there are more women who code than people think
[01:42:28] <ValeT> Is it really that bad gender wise?
[01:42:34] <jessicah> it's a ycombinator page
[01:42:51] <jessicah> ValeT: there are still clumps of people who like to think we don't exist
[01:42:57] <ValeT> lmao
[01:43:02] <jessicah> that women programmers are like unicorns
[01:43:05] <ValeT> "women are a myth"
[01:43:52] <ValeT> you mean unicorns aren't real?!?!?!
[01:44:16] <mmu_man> hey, be careful, there are kids around :p
[01:44:23] <mmu_man> don't even dare talking about Santa
[01:44:30] <jessicah> :p
[01:44:31] <ValeT> The places I worked tend to have at least a few women working there
[01:44:33] <ValeT> lol mum_man
[01:44:36] <ValeT> *mmu_man
[01:44:51] <ValeT> stupid autocorrect
[01:45:13] <jessicah> also, vscode responded very well when their 1.7 release broke the npm registry :p
[01:45:40] <mmu_man> zz
[01:46:04] <jessicah> they were triggering 404s, and the lack of negative caching meant that every request hit the server, and they couldn't handle the load
[01:46:12] <scanty> thanks jessicah, i got it working
[01:46:21] <scanty> i've been using pluma lately, but vscode looks really nice.
[01:46:31] <jessicah> a 1.7.1 release came out in hours, and they got a lot of praise for handling the issue so swiftly
[01:46:54] <jessicah> scanty: cool :)
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[01:53:37] <ValeT> jessicah, do you work in software?
[01:53:40] <ValeT> I can't remember :D
[01:54:53] <jessicah> I'm unemployed atm
[01:55:01] <jessicah> I used to do sysadmin type work
[01:55:11] <jessicah> although did write internal web app and client tools
[01:56:41] <ValeT> oh I'm sorry to hear that
[01:57:03] <ValeT> I hope you can find work :)
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[02:07:26] <ValeT> I have to go to bed...Talk to you all later...
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[02:21:37] <FreeFull> Downloading repochecksum-1...     *** aborted : No Error (404440880)
[02:21:47] <FreeFull> Does this mean my system is up to date, or is there something wrong?
[02:21:59] <FreeFull> I pressed ^C during a download, because it seemed to have hung
[02:22:38] <FreeFull> This is for pkgman full-sync
[02:23:34] <FreeFull> Hm, pkgman refresh gives a General system error
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[02:30:16] <jessicah> may need to reboot then?
[02:33:42] <FreeFull> Already did
[02:35:48] <FreeFull> jessicah: Just checking, what do you get on "pkgman refresh"?
[02:36:59] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #873 of haiku-nightlies-x86_gcc2 is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-nightlies-x86_gcc2/builds/873
[02:37:04] <FreeFull> Ok, I definitely can't install any packages
[02:37:18] <FreeFull> This sucks
[02:38:09] <jessicah> you have enough disk space right?
[02:38:31] <jessicah> I don't have a haiku vm set up atm
[02:39:17] <scottmc> did you try "pkgman update"
[02:40:25] <scottmc> might need to run "pkgman add http://packages.haiku-os.org/haikuports/master/repo/$(getarch)/current" before update will work?
[02:43:43] <FreeFull> jessicah: Yeah, lots of disk space
[02:44:20] <FreeFull> 114.51 GiB free out of 120.24 GiB
[02:44:44] <FreeFull> I actually want to shrink the Haiku partition at some point, so I have more room for my Linux install
[02:45:10] <FreeFull> BeOS partitions can be shrunk by gparted, right?
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[02:51:13] <jessicah> I have no idea
[02:52:11] <scottmc> does gparted even recognize them as BeFS partitions?  Last I used it, it still didn't, but the was awhile ago
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[02:54:15] <jessicah> I don't think even the haiku code supports resizing bfs does it?
[02:55:55] <FreeFull> I might have to copy my data off, delete the partition, and make a new one then
[02:56:02] <scottmc> #6529
[02:56:23] <FreeFull> Not too much of a problem I think, I don't have that much data on the Haiku partition
[02:56:23] <scottmc> trac ticket 6529...
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[02:57:12] <FreeFull> http://i.imgur.com/m8Qof4i.png Ok, yeah, GParted doesn't even recognise BeOS partitions
[02:57:24] <scottmc> you can probably just format a usb stick with bfs and copy your files there...
[02:57:28] <FreeFull> A reinstall is in order anyway, since I somehow messed pkgman up..
[02:57:55] <jessicah> unknown? weird
[02:58:00] <scottmc> then redo your hdd partition the size you want.... that's what i usually do
[02:58:04] <jessicah> most linux partitioning tools know about BFS nowadays
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[02:58:18] <FreeFull> scottmc: Haiku's XHCI driver crashes on my laptop, so no USB for me
[02:58:38] <jessicah> FreeFull: you should be able to just blacklist the xhci driver
[02:59:01] <FreeFull> Yeah
[02:59:29] <jessicah> oh my god
[02:59:33] <jessicah> numb foot waking up
[02:59:41] <jessicah> that tingling sucks so bad
[02:59:45] <ohnx> out of curiosity, what version of haiku do you all run?
[03:00:04] <jessicah> whatever latest nightly is
[03:00:09] <scottmc> hrev50714 here
[03:00:37] <scottmc> just updated mine this morning
[03:00:48] <jessicah> when doing development, whatever head was when started
[03:01:10] <jessicah> with the occasional rebase to stay on top of things
[03:01:53] <ohnx> ok
[03:02:09] <scottmc> jessicah should i add you to the compile haiku beginner task?
[03:02:16] <ohnx> i'm having issues compiling the latest version of the source right now
[03:02:25] <ohnx> haha i'm doing that task
[03:02:38] <ohnx> i have no idea where the error is happening in Jam
[03:02:42] <scottmc> are you Mason?
[03:02:45] <ohnx> yes
[03:02:59] <ohnx> this is stdout: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23551327/ stderr: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23551328/
[03:04:07] <scottmc> hmm.  web+ didn't like that page.
[03:04:19] <ohnx> uhh it's awfully long
[03:04:59] <scottmc> can you just post the last 100 lines or so maybe?
[03:05:08] <ohnx> sure
[03:05:44] <scottmc> stderr worked...
[03:06:13] <ohnx> last 100 lines of stdout: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23551343/
[03:06:16] <jessicah> ohnx: hmm, seems like problems with packages
[03:06:32] <jessicah> ohnx: can you ls generated/build_packages
[03:06:44] <jessicah> and possibly also generated/downloads
[03:07:18] <jessicah> you're building on ubuntu?
[03:07:21] <ohnx> yes
[03:07:46] <ohnx> `ls generated/build_packages` -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23551358/
[03:08:18] <ohnx> `ls generated/download` -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23551362/
[03:08:34] <jessicah> hmm, okay
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[03:08:41] <jessicah> try rm -rf generated/build_packages
[03:08:42] <jessicah> and run again
[03:08:44] <FreeFull> jessicah: Any idea how to fix up pkgman, at least?
[03:09:00] <jessicah> FreeFull: I don't know :(
[03:09:48] <FreeFull> I'll try deleting /system/cache/package-repositories
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[03:10:41] <FreeFull> Ok, dropped the repos
[03:11:40] <FreeFull> Ok, still failing on add-repo
[03:11:55] <jessicah> that's bizarre
[03:13:30] <FreeFull> I'll see if i can restore to an older version later
[03:16:09] <ohnx> well jessicah it worked
[03:16:22] <ohnx> thanks :)
[03:17:17] <jessicah> there are still race conditions in the build system and downloading/extracting packages unfortunately
[03:17:31] <scottmc> jessicah i added you to the Compile Haiku task as mentor.
[03:17:58] <jessicah> scottmc: coolies :)
[03:18:14] <jessicah> you can probably add me to any porting/software related stuff too
[03:18:20] <ohnx> multiple people can sign up for the task right?
[03:18:30] <jessicah> depends on the task
[03:18:42] <scottmc> know anything about mahjong?  heh.  i put myself on a creative task, what have i done.
[03:18:44] <jessicah> tasks can allow multiple instances
[03:18:47] <ohnx> well the Compile Haiku i mean
[03:18:55] <jessicah> yes I believe so
[03:19:05] <jessicah> scottmc: I know how to play :p
[03:19:17] <jessicah> and I have a mahjong set of my own :)
[03:19:20] <scottmc> yes, that task can be done by any student who hasn't done two beginner tasks yet
[03:19:20] <ohnx> umm silly question, but where does jam output the files?
[03:19:40] <ohnx> or how do i get jam to generate isos?
[03:19:40] <jessicah> generated
[03:19:53] <jessicah> jam @nightly-cd, iirc
[03:19:56] <ohnx> ah haiku.image
[03:20:19] <jessicah> you probably want to use one of the @ profiles normally
[03:20:24] <ohnx> can i just qemu with a disk image?
[03:20:25] <ohnx> oh
[03:20:45] <jessicah> @nightly-{cd,anyboot,raw,vmware}
[03:21:16] <jessicah> yes you should be able to
[03:21:32] <scottmc> hint, if you use anyboot, you can dd it to a usb stick any try it on real hardware
[03:21:39] <jessicah> I've used anyboot, raw, and think vmdk with qemu fine
[03:23:45] <ohnx> hmm my mouse cursor doesn't seem to work
[03:25:30] <jessicah> are you sure you've captured your mouse? :p
[03:25:40] <ohnx> well, the cursor disappears
[03:25:45] <jessicah> I don't have much experience with qemu outside of booting
[03:25:46] <jessicah> hmm
[03:25:59] <ohnx> oddly enough, i still can click and it seems like the cursor is moving
[03:26:04] <jessicah> my work has solely been around uefi, so getting to the desktop hasn't mattered for me :p
[03:26:14] <ohnx> haha
[03:26:21] <jessicah> hmm, maybe some hardware cursor thing that's broken?
[03:26:25] <jessicah> dunno
[03:26:38] <ohnx> maybe, i'll try it directly in virtualbox
[03:26:39] <scottmc> maybe a qemu setting regarding usb?
[03:26:40] <jessicah> I use virtualbox for full emulation for haiku
[03:27:02] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #887 of haiku-nightlies-x86_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-nightlies-x86_hybrid/builds/887
[03:28:35] <scottmc> oh shiny, hrev50717.
[03:29:13] <ohnx> nice
[03:34:23] <ohnx> umm i can't figure out how to crop in windows 10's new paint app
[03:34:42] <ohnx> so the file i upload will just have everything open
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[03:35:04] <jessicah> just use paint
[03:35:15] <jessicah> oh what the
[03:35:17] <jessicah> it's changed
[03:35:49] <scottmc> does qemu have a screenshot feature?
[03:35:55] <ohnx> "paint 3d preview"
[03:36:22] <jessicah> I just opened and saw that monstrosity
[03:37:30] <ohnx> haiku is written in C/C++ right?
[03:39:11] <jessicah> yes, primarily C++
[03:39:24] * jessicah adds feedback to feedback hub about paint 3d
[03:39:37] <ohnx> haha
[03:39:47] <jessicah> you should do the same
[03:40:00] <jessicah> the only way they address things is to give them lots of negative feedback
[03:40:15] <ohnx> "paint 3d is terrible #BringBackPaint"
[03:40:45] <jessicah> also rated the build as terrible :p
[03:41:05] <jessicah> how likely are you to recommend? not at all! why? bring back classic paint! :D
[03:41:11] <ohnx> haha
[03:41:25] <jessicah> I don't even understand what the 3D part of it is all about
[03:41:32] <jessicah> is it just gimmicky all over?
[03:41:46] <ohnx> it's probably for like hololens or whatever
[03:42:03] <scottmc> ohnx do you know c++?
[03:42:20] <jessicah> ugh, what the
[03:42:25] <jessicah> that is the most terrible app
[03:42:28] <ohnx> i know c, scottmc
[03:42:38] <jessicah> where does MS come up with this terrible stuff??
[03:42:58] <scottmc> you might try our Learning C++ task after this one...
[03:42:58] <ohnx> also does creating an issue on https://github.com/HaikuArchives/Tipster/issues and closing it count? ;)
[03:43:43] <scottmc> open the issue first and we will see if it is worthy. ;)
[03:44:10] <scottmc> I think it was written by Vale who is a mentor for us this year.
[03:44:57] <jessicah> yes, vale wrote tipster as part of GCI last year
[03:45:14] <ohnx> oh that's fun
[03:47:07] <ohnx> scottmc: I'm not seeing a task named "learning c++"
[03:47:37] <scottmc> search for "Book"
[03:48:07] <ohnx> ah
[03:48:49] <ohnx> also, what are the username requirements for trac?
[03:49:08] <ohnx> I tried making one just for "ohnx" and it warned me that my username doesn't meet the requirements
[03:49:43] <scottmc> trac is for issues with Haiku, for issues with Haiku apps on Haiku Archives or recipes for HaikuPorter you will need a github account
[03:50:19] <ohnx> ah k
[03:50:45] * IIsiHaiku finally catches up
[03:50:55] <scottmc> i'm not sure, maybe too short?  Ask PulkoMandy when he's around, he can help you get trac account.
[03:50:58] <IIsiHaiku> Hours of chat! (-=
[03:51:06] <ohnx> hello!
[03:51:14] <IIsiHaiku> Salut, ohnx.
[03:51:17] <scottmc> yes, GCI has started
[03:51:50] <kallisti5> jessicah: any opinions on dropping the iso builds?
[03:52:00] <kallisti5> and renaming anyboot .image -> .iso
[03:52:25] <IIsiHaiku> jessicah, I thought you were talking about https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/wiki/A-Gentle-Introduction-to-HaikuPorter-%231 at first
[03:52:31] <scottmc> Ok, I also just added the intro to HaikuPorter task, we forgot it.  It's helpful to point students to that one if they take recipe tasks and are totally lost.
[03:52:41] * IIsiHaiku adds your patching walkthrough to bookmarks
[03:53:46] <IIsiHaiku> Regarding adding/removing fonts, does FontMonkey make it better?
[03:53:59] <IIsiHaiku> Like, checking that a font isn't in-use before deactivating.
[03:54:02] <jessicah> IIsiHaiku: yes, it's separate
[03:54:15] <IIsiHaiku> I assume it works for activating fonts, without reboot.
[03:54:15] <jessicah> I'll have to ask humdinger about if he copied it somewhere
[03:54:18] <jessicah> I'm sure he did
[03:54:41] <IIsiHaiku> It's on clasqm's repo
[03:54:47] <jessicah> kallisti5: uh, hmm, I dunno, is probably fine
[03:55:06] <jessicah> as long as building a plain iso is still possible
[03:55:50] <IIsiHaiku> Bleh, I need to update one of these USB installs of Haiku I rediscovered recently. It downloads like 28.8 with noisy phoneline.
[03:56:10] <tidux[m]> lol
[03:56:32] <IIsiHaiku> So, not just slow, but lots of failures.
[03:56:55] <jessicah> ohnx: your username should be fine
[03:57:03] <jessicah> trac has lots of weird issues lately :(
[03:57:29] <ohnx> "Warning: Username ohnx doesn't match local naming policy.
[03:58:22] <jessicah> I don't see any configuration for that in the admin page
[03:58:27] <ohnx> ohnx works
[03:58:33] <ohnx> uhh ohnx56*
[03:58:44] <jessicah> I can add you manually if you want
[03:58:50] <jessicah> I see usernames shorter than yours there
[03:59:00] <ohnx> its fine, i signed up with ohnx56 already :p
[03:59:10] <IIsiHaiku> Just like AOL usernames from the 90s! I'm getting all kinds of nostalgic references today.
[04:00:09] <jessicah> okay :p
[04:00:33] <jessicah> we probably need to dump trac entirely at some point
[04:00:41] <jessicah> just need to migrate to a new issue tracking system...
[04:01:05] <jessicah> I've been playing with gitlab CE a little
[04:01:20] <ohnx> jira has an importer
[04:01:26] <jessicah> but having issues with stuff like CI atm :(
[04:01:43] <ohnx> oh you use trac for more than issues?
[04:02:05] <King_Warg> listen to that caviar 2860 whine...
[04:02:15] <IIsiHaiku> I'm looking at the preview for BlackChancery in FontMonkey, instead of HaikuDepot and maaan. I want to make a Haiku logo to match this, with the parchment bkgd. (:
[04:02:20] <King_Warg> nothing louder than a nice 90s vintage hard disk
[04:03:03] <King_Warg> ..except maybe a nice 80s vintage hard disk
[04:03:11] <IIsiHaiku> Try one of the old ones that was the size of a washing machine.
[04:03:31] <IIsiHaiku> You could walk it across the room by seeking the heads just right.
[04:03:31] <King_Warg> i guess i could use the ST-225 that's on the shelf
[04:03:34] <jessicah> ohnx: oh, no, that was purely a gitlab thing
[04:03:42] <jessicah> trac is wiki + issues
[04:04:13] <ohnx> ah k
[04:04:14] <King_Warg> the ST-225 is a little temperamental these days though :/
[04:04:24] <King_Warg> or maybe that was the ST-251-1
[04:04:36] <jessicah> the wiki is pretty terrible too, that probably needs migrating to somewhere else
[04:04:42] <jessicah> also, paying for jira, ugh
[04:04:50] <jessicah> no thanks
[04:05:23] <ohnx> github, then :p
[04:06:16] <jessicah> I'd like to continue playing around with gitlab
[04:06:25] <jessicah> that way we can continue to host stuff ourself
[04:06:56] <jessicah> e.g. we host the haiku repo ourself, and only use github for mirroring
[04:06:59] <ohnx> ah cool
[04:07:15] <jessicah> also, our use of tags completely bricks github
[04:07:28] <ohnx> haha ok
[04:07:46] <jessicah> the github ui becomes entirely unusable
[04:08:22] <jessicah> gitlab provides a fully hosted solution
[04:08:53] * IIsiHaiku imagines github writing to some manufacturer to get their tablets factory reset after a soft-brick
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[04:09:09] <IIsiHaiku> wb ValeT
[04:10:11] <jessicah> buildbot works okay enough atm, but would be kind of nice to use gitlab's CI instead
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[04:11:43] <IIsiHaiku> or...not
[04:12:19] <jessicah> vale has already retired for the night iirc
[04:13:05] <IIsiHaiku> I started reading through HaikuPorter stuff, including the Gentle Introduction parts 1&2. ]-:
[04:13:26] <IIsiHaiku> Mebbe jessicah's article will sort me out (:
[04:13:54] <jessicah> mine is about making patches
[04:14:40] <IIsiHaiku> Well, I'll need some patching.
[04:15:08] <jessicah> I don't really like how haikuporter works :(
[04:15:16] <IIsiHaiku> Got three kinds of Forth running, and libsigsegv compiling (passes its own tests).
[04:15:17] <jessicah> creating its own git repo is stupid
[04:15:53] <IIsiHaiku> HaikuPorter seems very Linuxy: intricate and prone to breakage.
[04:15:55] <scottmc> https://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/GoogleCodeInTaskInstallHaikuporter
[04:16:26] <IIsiHaiku> It's like multiplying by a negative number on a large expression by hand.
[04:16:30] <ohnx> lol IIsiHaiku
[04:16:47] <jessicah> ideally, it wouldn't fetch tarballs etc., but fetch a specific commit hash/revision for git, svn, etc.
[04:17:08] <jessicah> then creating patches would be like 100x simpler
[04:17:26] <jessicah> as you'd be working within the project's existing SCM
[04:18:19] <IIsiHaiku> I now have seven pages of HaikuPorter stuff bookmarked.
[04:18:27] <jessicah> which would be easier for contributing upstream too, or re-applying the patch on a newer version
[04:18:33] <jessicah> IIsiHaiku: haha :D
[04:19:13] <IIsiHaiku> It was easier to find and patch all the references to *nix or BeOS (to be more Haikulike) in the stuff I got running.
[04:20:28] <scottmc> some stuff you might even need to remove some of our early Haiku patches as Haiku has become more posix compliant over the years.
[04:20:30] <IIsiHaiku> But truthfully...70-80% of those turned out to be "just duplicate line X and change $thingy to either $Haiku or $BePC.
[04:21:09] <scottmc> don't patch config files...  make use of l
[04:21:17] <scottmc> the autotools
[04:22:13] <scottmc> if you study many recipes you will find some of the common tricks to getting things to build
[04:22:43] <ohnx> ayy does this count as solving an issue? ;) https://github.com/HaikuArchives/Tipster/issues/13
[04:23:05] <IIsiHaiku> I found a tool written in YAB to help build recipes...and it came in a broken HPKG. Got it running by extracting, then symlinking libyab.so to a subdir.
[04:24:14] <scottmc> ohnx, nope.  it's likely they need to add support for the directory in the recipe file...
[04:24:29] <ohnx> haha ok
[04:24:37] <ohnx> i'm also working on something to say that no tips were found
[04:24:51] <ohnx> in either case, the task was claimed already by someone else
[04:25:04] <scottmc> if you try some of the haikuporter recipe tasks you'll become famialir with how to make directories work inside packages
[04:25:22] <ohnx> wait no it's jsut because i already have an active task
[04:25:24] <ohnx> ok
[04:25:24] <scottmc> tipster has 5 instances available
[04:26:00] <ohnx> ah i have to submit it
[04:26:07] <ohnx> oops
[04:45:09] <ohnx> also, `haikuporter which` seems to create a lot of output...
[04:51:24] <scottmc> it might be building all of the dependencies?
[04:54:39] <King_Warg> RIP 32mb EDO RAM SIMM :(
[04:54:51] <scottmc> fire?
[04:55:17] <King_Warg> more like spontaneous combustion...
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[04:55:41] <scottmc> what was the output of IsComputerOnFire()?
[04:55:42] <King_Warg> everything was great then suddenly the memory just EXPLODED for no reason
[04:56:18] <King_Warg> output of IsComputerOnFire() was 9999999^(infinity)
[04:56:33] <King_Warg> because there was lots of smoke too
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[04:58:24] <scottmc> did it smell like burnt popcorn?
[05:05:01] <King_Warg> lol
[05:06:11] <King_Warg> i dont think anything electrical that burst into flames has ever smelled like burned popcorn to me.
[05:06:22] * IIsiHaiku tries to decided between BeCJK and Canna
[05:10:05] <scottmc> capacitors do...  electrolytic ones
[05:10:35] <scottmc> i've have my share of those burn up in front of me.
[05:13:26] <King_Warg> i wouldnt describe that smell as burning popcorn 0.o
[05:13:47] <scottmc> 11 students currently working on a task, 9 students have completed 1 tasks, 22 different students have claimed a Haiku task so far, though some have then canceled their claim.  Off to a pretty decent start in the first 12 hours.
[05:14:17] <King_Warg> i think that motherboard isnt so great possibly anyway..
[05:14:32] <King_Warg> its just labeled "GREEN MOTHER BOARD"
[05:15:13] <scottmc> any copyright year on it?
[05:15:33] <scottmc> maybe in the copper layer on the bottom?
[05:15:41] <King_Warg> BIOS report 1995
[05:16:44] <scottmc> so Pentium 60/66 or 90 days
[05:16:57] <scottmc> or 486?
[05:16:59] <King_Warg> 486 socket 3 with nice ISA / VLB
[05:17:02] <IIsiHaiku> NEC's Canna works more like what I'm familiar with...except I don't know how to toggle it without the mouse.
[05:17:19] <IIsiHaiku> Nice that Canna and BeCJK can install simultaneously.
[05:18:21] <King_Warg> 4DMS=HL3G-L4-VH
[05:18:34] <scottmc> IIsiHaiku maybe you can take a look into the Canna issue with Pe that was reported a few years ago and still open
[05:18:56] <King_Warg> no matter i have loads of 386 and 486 motherboards piled around 0.o
[05:19:22] <King_Warg> and even an ever rarely seen socket 4 board
[05:19:33] <scottmc> kind of a waste to try to do anything with those.  they waste more power than they are worth
[05:19:54] <King_Warg> id say not hardly as much as any modern "gaming pc"
[05:20:57] <King_Warg> cant say i have any real intent other than just because
[05:22:17] <King_Warg> its amusing to see any random 386 or 486 motherboard on ebay listed for hundreds of dollars
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[05:38:43] * IIsiHaiku looks in the wrong bugtracker for it
[05:38:55] * IIsiHaiku finds Pe's in github
[05:39:20] <IIsiHaiku> Um, works for me?
[05:41:31] <IIsiHaiku> Now if I could just figure out how to switch between Canna and Roman without reaching for the mouse...
[05:47:38] <scottmc> Pe issue #1, using Japanese input method fails.
[05:48:53] <IIsiHaiku> Works?
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[05:50:43] <IIsiHaiku> Pe 2.4.5, 2015-07-18T16:48:28
[05:51:09] <IIsiHaiku> Canna 1.0.1-1
[05:51:46] <scottmc> does it support inline input though as described on the ticket?
[05:52:33] <scottmc> https://github.com/HaikuArchives/Pe/issues/1
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[05:57:48] <IIsiHaiku> Bleh, I accidentally closed all of Pe instead of just the test window. Now it crashes on launch.
[05:58:32] <IIsiHaiku> #scope-creep
[05:59:03] <IIsiHaiku> It wasn't in-line, but it was accepting input and no OS error appeared.
[05:59:21] <scottmc> heh.
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[05:59:58] <scottmc> Any Google Code-In students here?
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[06:01:51] <FreeFull> jessicah: I just installed a fresh copy of the latest nightly in Virtualbox
[06:02:04] <FreeFull> pkgman is giving the exact same errors I was getting with the install on my HDD
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[06:02:49] <FreeFull> Can't install any packages
[06:05:03] <scottmc> did you run: pkgman add http://packages.haiku-os.org/haikuports/master/repo/$(getarch)/current
[06:05:39] <wmd> I'm a GCI student.
[06:05:58] <scottmc> welcome wmd, which task you working on?
[06:06:06] <FreeFull> scottmc: Shouldn't need to run that in a fresh install?
[06:06:59] <wmd> currently working on getting jpegoptim recipe created
[06:07:32] <IIsiHaiku> Fixed! Pe is incompatible with LaunchBox; if Pe is started directly or from the Applications menu, it works. If Pe is already running, "starting" it from LaunchBox creates a new Pe document window.
[06:08:02] <IIsiHaiku> If Pe is NOT running, starting it from LaunchBox makes Pe crash.
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[06:08:51] <IIsiHaiku> <DoctorWho> Wehlll, not so much 'fixed', as 'triaged'.
[06:09:31] <scottmc> lpe will start Pe from a command line
[06:10:06] <scottmc> wmd did you get haikuporter installed already then?
[06:10:12] <IIsiHaiku> Launching lpe from LaunchBox also crashes Pe
[06:10:49] <scottmc> hmm open a new issue for that if there isn't one already
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[06:11:25] <IIsiHaiku> Now what's my Github login...
[06:11:34] <FreeFull> Is pkgman in the latest nightly broken then?
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[06:12:08] <FreeFull> Or something else is?
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[06:13:34] <scottmc> not sure.  i updated mine and it's still working.
[06:13:55] <scottmc> welcome Stephanie
[06:14:59] <Stephanie> Hi!
[06:15:07] <scottmc> wmd I added an Install Haikuporter task just a few hours ago, if you haven't got it up and running yet, you might do that task before trying to write a recipe.
[06:15:26] <wmd> thanks scottmc
[06:15:51] <wmd> just got my build env working. time to see If thing will correctly compile.
[06:16:50] <scottmc> are you building on Haiku or trying to cross compile?
[06:17:11] <FreeFull> scottmc: Oh, maybe it's a problem with the networking driver
[06:17:23] <FreeFull> I switched the virtual network card in Virtualbox and now it's working
[06:17:34] <IIsiHaiku> That would do it.
[06:18:43] <jessicah> IIsiHaiku: ah it's one or two of the modifiers plus space bar iirc
[06:18:55] <scottmc> oh, well there you go...  i'm on real hardware here.
[06:19:09] <wmd> Building on haiku. Is there the option to cross compile for testing package build?
[06:20:11] <scottmc> wmd i'm not sure, as i always build on Haiku.  I think there are provisions to allow corss compile but i've never tried.
[06:21:01] <IIsiHaiku> cmd-space! ty jeissicah
[06:24:43] <kallisti5> Found an extenstion cord under a lawn mower... thought to myself that was odd. Pulled it out and a bunny pulled it under and chewed it. Bunch of jerks.
[06:25:00] <IIsiHaiku> o-:
[06:25:07] <IIsiHaiku> Sounds like a Pixar short.
[06:25:11] <kallisti5> first world problems :P
[06:25:34] <kallisti5> I think he lives in there ^_^
[06:25:46] <kallisti5> They're cute though and my Daughter likes to watch them... sigh
[06:26:42] <IIsiHaiku> I dunno, could even be a post-apocalyptic bunnyscape
[06:28:04] <kallisti5> true.. they don't feat humans now.  You can get within < 5 feet of one and they'll just stare at you
[06:28:07] <kallisti5> *STARE*
[06:28:33] <kallisti5> with their cold eyes plotting cute murder.
[06:28:47] * kallisti5 has lost it. Time for bed :-)
[06:28:56] <IIsiHaiku> You should go out there with an old wooden chair...
[06:29:02] <IIsiHaiku> ...and read Watership Down to them.
[06:29:09] <kallisti5> lol
[06:29:24] <IIsiHaiku> gnight (:
[06:29:30] <kallisti5> night'
[06:30:12] <kallisti5> (buys new extension cord on amazon)
[06:31:04] * IIsiHaiku goes to bed imagingin Bunny Gremlins: The Cute Batch
[06:31:06] <scottmc> Stephanie is the network working in your Haiku install?
[06:31:58] <Stephanie> scottmc nope
[06:33:08] <scottmc> try changing the network card type in your vm maybe?
[06:34:24] <Stephanie> I'll try that - it's weird because network worked with the old image I was using on accident
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[06:35:10] <scottmc> yeah FreeFull was just having an issue with the virtual network card,
[06:36:24] <wmdurand> What does it mean by "submit a screenshot of the packages's contents" for submitting recipe tasks?
[06:38:15] <FreeFull> Not the first time I've hit emulated network card issues with Haiku + Virtualbox
[06:39:11] <Stephanie> scottmc It worked after switching the network, then switching it back to the original
[06:39:53] <Stephanie> Thanks
[06:40:36] <FreeFull> Audio in Haiku in virtualbox also is stuttery
[06:40:42] <FreeFull> Maybe I should be using qemu instead or something
[06:40:48] <scottmc> wmdurand it means you need to find the resulting .hpkg file and open it using expander, you can right click on it and tracker will give option to open with expander.  then check the show contents bo and it should show the files inside, expand the window so we can see most of it and then take a screenshot
[06:41:09] <wmdurand> great. thank you very much.
[06:41:11] <scottmc> Stephanie cool
[06:43:34] <scottmc> wmdurand hint you can click once on the desktop and then press alt-f to bring up finder, then enter a partial name and it will show you matching files
[06:43:48] <FreeFull> Hm, with Qemu + ac97 I don't get any audio at all
[06:47:43] <wmdurand> thanks scottmc. that is probably going to make it a lot easier than using open path/to/file all of the time.
[06:48:01] <wmdurand> any suggestions in terms of IRC for mac though?
[06:49:08] <scottmc> maybe jessicah has a mac irc client she can recommend?
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[06:51:09] <wmdurand> currently using ircii (I think) managed to get stuck in the help menu earlier. Any idea how that could have happened?
[06:52:56] <Stephanie> git cloning has been stuck at 8% for quite a while now, could it have lost connection or something?
[06:53:03] <FreeFull> ircii is pretty old and primitive
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[06:54:27] <scottmc> Stephanie how big is the VM you have Haiku running on?  It might be too small to clone Haiku onto.  You might consider using a Ubuntu VM and trying to build Haiku on that.
[06:55:12] <scottmc> also the Ubuntu in Windows 10 doesn't work for building Haiku as windows doesn't like : in a filename ;)
[06:56:38] <Stephanie> Is the size you're referring to the base memory?
[06:58:05] <FreeFull> Yeah, Linux is super permissive about what you can have in a filename
[06:58:55] <FreeFull> Anything that's not empty, and doesn't contain NUL or /
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[07:06:03] <scottmc> Stephanie on your desktop are drive icon(s), right click them and then pick get info, that shoud show the capacity, what is used and how much is free
[07:06:12] <XeonSquared> wmdurand: weechat and irssi should run on OS X
[07:06:21] <XeonSquared> Dunno if hexchat will but it should
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[07:08:14] <scottmc> wmdurand i think you can replace ./configure line with just runConfigure, it assumes bindir and mandir are set to $binDir and $manDir
[07:12:57] <scottmc> looking at other recipe files i guess it's "runConfigure ./configure"
[07:13:12] <wmdurand> scottmc: Will do.
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[07:14:19] <wmdurand> sottmc, do I need to do anything other than changing that line in the PR?
[07:15:02] <scottmc> not sure, been awhile since I've looked at recipes.  I'll defer to one of the other mentors to check it over closer.
[07:15:44] <wmdurand> i meant specifiically do I need to update the Task on GCI
[07:16:35] <scottmc> yes, when you feel it is ready for review, submit a url to the pull request for review.
[07:20:18] <scottmc> looking at your screenshot you don't have your packager name set in the haikuporter config file.  I think the rest looks good.  Were you a Haiku student last year?
[07:30:01] <wmdurand> no, first year.
[07:30:48] <wmdurand> thought I set that in my config file... must have not hit the save button.
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[07:32:23] <scottmc> fix that up and try rebuilding to make sure the runConfigure works as expected and the pacakger name sticks, save new screenshot and attach it to task.
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[07:44:18] <wmdurand> scottmc, I got it compiling and everything, but the cmd doesn't seem to be in my path anymore.
[07:45:08] <scottmc> did you install the resulting package?
[07:45:39] <wmdurand> yes
[07:45:52] <wmdurand> anyway to see what depot di?
[07:45:54] <wmdurand> *did
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[07:46:35] <wmdurand> this is post switch to runConfigure
[07:46:49] <scottmc> see what directory jpegoptim is showing in.  use the alt-f trick
[07:48:34] <wmdurand> looks like it compiled to the same directory where it unpacked the tarball. Don't think that it managed to change the bindir or mandir.
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[07:56:05] <scottmc> wmdurand hmm not sure why it's doing that.  might have to have other mentors look at this one, but they are likely sleeping right now.
[07:57:16] <wmdurand> okay. thanks a ton!
[07:57:33] <wmdurand> funny thing is, I managed to get it working earlier...
[08:01:31] <scottmc> try running haikuporter with -S option?
[08:01:54] <wmdurand> using the hp alias which has that in there
[08:02:07] <scottmc> ok
[08:04:42] <scottmc> wmdurand korli or fbrosson or KapiX will likely know why it's not picking up bindir when using runConfigure
[08:05:38] <wmdurand> is there a way to get logs from depot for install?
[08:10:49] <scottmc> not sure
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[08:13:11] <scottmc> try setting it back to what it was before, but still have the runConfigure in front of ./configure and see if it works that way
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[08:27:15] <wmdurand> nothing. even entirely reverting to previous command without runConfigure didn't seem to fix it.
[08:27:42] <scottmc> try deleting the .hpkg and then rebuild
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[08:35:42] <wmdurand> got it to work
[08:35:51] <wmdurand> had to go and delete system hpkg
[08:35:58] <wmdurand> wokring with runConfigure and everything.
[08:36:26] <scottmc> ok, cool.  i forgot that it needs to be removed before you can replace
[08:37:25] <wmdurand> anyway to automate that?
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[08:38:02] <wmdurand> thanks again, scottmc.
[08:38:37] <scottmc> probably...  you might be able to script it with a bash script?
[08:40:12] <wmdurand> just need to add it to the list of things that need to be done to reset env then.
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[08:56:53] <jessicah> wmdurand: sorry, can't help with irc client
[08:57:09] <jessicah> I use irccloud on all my devices
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[10:05:59] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #874 of haiku-nightlies-x86 is complete: Failure [failed upload nightlies]  Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-nightlies-x86/builds/874
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[10:33:01] <tojoko> hi
[10:33:28] <humdinger> hullo
[10:36:45] <jessicah> humdinger: did you make a copy of my patching guide for haikuporter somewhere?
[10:36:59] <jessicah> I couldn't find it anywhere
[10:37:19] <jessicah> I'm certain you did...
[10:38:14] <humdinger> jessicah: I already had a look, but I don't think I have. The only place fitting would be the wiki at haikuports, I'd say.
[10:38:26] <humdinger> I can add it there.
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[10:42:40] <jessicah> yeah that would be good, thanks :)
[10:46:56] <humdinger> I'm on it. sorry for forgetting the first time...
[10:48:49] <axeld> humdinger: when I just looked, dcatt already had wiki_editors permissions
[10:49:19] <humdinger> axeld: PulkoMandy assigned them to him a week ago
[10:49:43] <axeld> humdinger: Ah, good to know, I was just going through my unread mails :-)
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[10:50:45] <humdinger> that's a nice way to avoid work, for sure. let it all lie for a bit and much will solve itself... :)
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[10:52:28] <axeld> humdinger: you figured that out way too fast... :-)
[10:52:54] <humdinger> you've been it for years now :P
[10:54:04] <axeld> Still hope to be able to get a bit more done, though :-)
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[10:56:29] <axeld> Has anyone achieved to have samba running as service in the background?
[10:56:40] <axeld> When running it manually, it all works fine
[10:56:51] <axeld> But when running it as a service through launch_roster, it doesn't
[10:57:13] <axeld> Doesn't seem to find its smbpasswd file in the latter case
[10:57:38] <axeld> Now if there were a launch_daemon developer who could look into that...
[10:58:04] <korli> @axeld yeah we miss that one :)
[10:58:27] <humdinger> jessicah's walkthrough of patching with haikuporter is now in the wiki at https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/wiki/Patching-with-HaikuPorter
[10:59:31] <arfonzo> axeld: does launch_roster run it as 'user' ?
[11:00:37] <jessicah> samba works? so we can access remote shares?
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[11:03:19] <axeld> Hi korli!
[11:03:33] <axeld> jessicah: No, the other way around :-)
[11:03:48] <axeld> jessicah: We can access samba shares through smbclient only
[11:04:00] <axeld> (which works like sftp, for example)
[11:04:10] <jessicah> oh
[11:04:17] <axeld> arfonzo: Yes it does
[11:04:18] <jessicah> =/
[11:04:37] * humdinger is idle: lunch
[11:04:49] <axeld> humdinger: lunch? Are you in another time zone?
[11:04:55] <axeld> Or just hungry??? :-))
[11:05:22] <axeld> jessicah: It shouldn't be too hard to rework smbclient into a userland file system
[11:05:46] <axeld> Maybe there even is a fuse driver for Linux already
[11:05:59] <jessicah> is it a path problem with working directory?
[11:06:15] <axeld> jessicah: Must be something like that, but it doesn't make any sense
[11:06:54] <arfonzo> I think diver had/has some testing builds of smb fuse a few years ago
[11:07:03] <axeld> Plus I'm too dumb to understand the samba sources from looking at it alone -- it looks like it would need to open the full path that is set in the config file, but then it only ever open "smbpasswd"
[11:07:09] <jessicah> can't replicate at all from a terminal?
[11:07:14] <arfonzo> I recall trying a few years ago, it wasn't great, but it did kinda work
[11:08:00] <jessicah> can you strace it under launch daemon?
[11:08:02] <axeld> arfonzo: I even wonder why that didn't happen yet (I mean downloadable), also for SFTP or FTP
[11:08:12] <axeld> jessicah: I wouldn't know how
[11:08:37] <jessicah> google? :p
[11:08:44] <axeld> jessicah: I plan to build a special debug version of samba to dig into it, but I couldn't find the time to do it yet
[11:08:49] <axeld> jessicah: google???
[11:08:52] <arfonzo> I'm waiting for a wonderful person called axeld to do that. :D
[11:09:14] <axeld> arfonzo: thanks, but AFAICT that person has very little time for anything right now
[11:09:34] <axeld> But some day I might :-)
[11:09:40] <axeld> If you can long enough
[11:09:43] <axeld> wait
[11:10:18] <jessicah> if I weren't in bed, I'd try it out myself :p
[11:10:34] <arfonzo> my patience is legendary, second only to humdinger's (well, maybe that's a lie). I'm just kidding anyways, there's no pressure. But I agree, those tools would go a long way to assisting adoption, very handy
[11:10:51] <jessicah> did you build it? or is it already uploaded to haiku ports repo?
[11:12:08] <jessicah> lack of samba support has been one of my achilles heels with using haiku more...
[11:12:20] <axeld> jessicah: samba is even in HaikuDepot
[11:12:37] <axeld> jessicah: and it works nicely when started manually; it's running on my NAS
[11:12:55] <jessicah> okay
[11:13:24] <jessicah> that's what I meant, if a package was uploaded :)
[11:13:33] <arfonzo> axeld: have you tried starting it as a user boot script? Or is that what launch_roster is?
[11:13:39] <jessicah> you run haiku on your nas?
[11:14:36] <axeld> jessicah: yes, but only in emulation as the network adapter isn't supported natively. All my data is on BFS, and read-only access through Linux isn't really doing it.
[11:15:17] <jessicah> ah
[11:15:23] <axeld> arfonzo: No, launch_roster is using the launch_daemon to start smbd -- I haven't tried putting it anywhere else
[11:16:08] <axeld> jessicah: So I've setup a Haiku VM that is started automatically on boot, and shuts down when the NAS is shut down -- works like a charm.
[11:16:37] <axeld> The VM only crashed once so far, but that probably wasn't Haiku's fault
[11:16:45] <jessicah> nice
[11:16:48] <jessicah> heh
[11:16:52] <axeld> (ie. Haiku didn't crash, but the VM became inaccessible)
[11:17:22] <axeld> It doesn't run 24/7, though, it's off when I sleep
[11:17:38] <axeld> triggered by contacts in my eye lids
[11:17:44] <axeld> (okay that last part may be a lie)
[11:18:08] <axeld> But I've set it up that way since two years now
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[11:26:00] <jessicah> axeld: are you using a gcc4 package on a gcc2h?
[11:26:22] <axeld> jessicah: I don't know, I definitely use gcc2h, though
[11:26:37] <jessicah> the package name will end in _x86
[11:26:45] <jessicah> for a dev, you don't seem to know a lot, lol
[11:29:52] <jessicah> I'm just building an image atm, then will spin up a vm :)
[11:30:00] <jessicah> and yes, I'm out of bed now :p
[11:30:35] <jessicah> axeld: uh, can you pastebin your config and stuff that I need to make things work? including launch_daemon stuff
[11:30:43] <jessicah> so I'm not busy scratching my head :p
[11:31:35] <axeld> jessicah: I just didn't pay attention; I don't care whether or not it's gcc4 or gcc2 -- as long as it works :-)
[11:31:46] <axeld> wait a sec
[11:32:28] <axeld> When I use the launch_daemon to start smbd, it seem its smbpasswd is generated in /var/log.
[11:32:37] <axeld> (when I add the user again)
[11:33:11] <jessicah> personally, I'm of the opinion of dropping gcc2h, and sticking with gcc4h only nowadays
[11:33:25] <jessicah> haiku freeware is going to be of little use in the future
[11:34:48] <jessicah> is there really any closed source beos software out there that doesn't work on a gcc4h build?
[11:35:19] <jessicah> well, software that people actually use...
[11:36:15] <axeld> jessicah: I'm still using Gobe Productive for my taxes... :-)
[11:36:33] <jessicah> but surely that will work on a gcc4h build?
[11:36:49] <axeld> jessicah: I'm having problems accessing Haiku from Windows to get the config out of there
[11:37:04] <axeld> Ah, wait, I should be able to pastebin from Haiku, too, damnit :-0
[11:37:11] <axeld> jessicah: I haven't tried
[11:37:12] <jessicah> I was going to say... :p
[11:37:37] <jessicah> something to try (:
[11:38:53] <axeld> jessicah: I pasted it, but how do I get the link out of Web+?
[11:39:10] <jessicah> type it out?
[11:39:14] <axeld> It still says "post.php" and seems to do something
[11:39:21] <axeld> I don't have it yet
[11:39:24] <jessicah> oh
[11:39:31] <jessicah> try slexy.org
[11:40:32] <axeld> that works: slexy.org/views/s21exv3HA6
[11:40:40] <axeld> that should be the launch_daemon config
[11:40:59] <axeld> I've put that into /system/non-packaged/data/launch/samba
[11:41:17] <axeld> It will not launch them automatically this way
[11:41:26] <axeld> You can then do (in a Terminal):
[11:41:33] <axeld> $ launch_roster start nmbd
[11:41:41] <axeld> $ launch_roster start smbd
[11:43:13] <axeld> The smb.conf is at slexy.org/view/s2gdCxIkSk
[11:46:15] <axeld> I also don't see a set_cwd() when I strace the working one
[11:46:55] <jessicah> gah, why isn't vbox working :(
[11:47:06] <axeld> jessicah: I "recently" wanted to update the RAW translator to libraw.so, but that didn't work out since that one is GCC4 only
[11:47:48] <jessicah> gah, I'll download a nightly
[11:47:59] <axeld> The problem (IMO) with gcc4h is that we don't plan to support compatibility in the future
[11:48:20] <axeld> Ie. there is supposed to be a break
[11:48:21] <jessicah> what do you mean?
[11:48:41] <jessicah> wouldn't there be a gcc4 R1 ABI, and a gcc4 R2 ABI?
[11:48:48] <axeld> At least our current plan (AFAIR) is to break compatibility with the GCC4 ABI, but keep the GCC2 ABI around
[11:48:59] <jessicah> er, it is?
[11:49:09] <axeld> It was at some point in the past, at least :-)
[11:49:26] <jessicah> I understood R2 milestone to drop gcc2 ABI
[11:49:53] <axeld> Then it wouldn't make much sense to keep it at all, wouldn't it?
[11:50:34] <jessicah> R1 release would be for people that still need gcc2 compatibility
[11:50:36] <axeld> Package management will reduce the effects of ABI changes, but it won't be able to compensate them completely
[11:50:44] <jessicah> anyway, the gap between R1 and R2 is likely to be a long time :p
[11:51:01] <axeld> That entirely depends on our goals
[11:51:06] <jessicah> mm
[11:51:21] <axeld> It's usually much faster to come up with something new instead of letting something old evolve (matter of motivation)
[11:51:37] <axeld> The new won't necessarily be better than the old, though
[11:51:46] <jessicah> I dunno, I'd like to see gcc2 support be the secondary arch, with the goal of dropping after R1
[11:52:19] <jessicah> jua's even seen quite noticeable perf differences in app_server between gcc2 & gcc4
[11:52:30] <axeld> I'd like to see us providing compatibility with gcc2 for as long as possible.
[11:52:49] <jessicah> stay with R1 until R2 gets released? :p
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[11:52:58] <axeld> No :-)
[11:53:13] <jessicah> a three ABI haiku? :p
[11:53:20] <axeld> I would like Haiku to run on GCC5 completely, but provide compatibility libs for GCC2
[11:53:25] <jessicah> stable gcc4, new gcc4, stable gcc2?
[11:53:34] <jessicah> :p
[11:53:43] <axeld> The plan was to have stable gcc2, and new gcc4
[11:53:50] <axeld> And drop old gcc4
[11:53:57] <jessicah> well, we already have that with the gcc4h builds
[11:54:18] <axeld> But it should be possible to provide a gcc4 compatibility "layer" as well
[11:54:35] <jessicah> that's what our multi-arch stuff already does :)
[11:54:50] <jessicah> I'd like to tweak how that works a little too...
[11:54:58] <axeld> Yes, the technology is there, it's just that we have to build the stuff
[11:55:07] <jessicah> I want to see bin, lib, etc. disappear
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[11:55:12] <axeld> ?
[11:55:16] <jessicah> and use versioned paths for all of them
[11:55:38] <jessicah> so say /bin/r1.x86, /bin/r1.x86_gcc2
[11:55:38] <axeld> Why?
[11:55:52] <axeld> I understand the need for lib, but why for bin?
[11:56:06] <jessicah> hmm, maybe not for bin then
[11:56:21] <jessicah> well, it would mean we could build a single package for all builds
[11:56:38] <jessicah> e.g. a package_x86 would work on a gcc2h, and a gcc4h build all the same
[11:56:50] <jessicah> since the paths are identical across builds
[11:57:20] <jessicah> currently, we have to build two packages, one for gcc2h, one for gcc4h, since the paths differ
[11:57:22] <axeld> That definitely does sound like a good idea to me, and it's also something I never quite liked about our current solution
[11:57:32] <jessicah> if you provide the package for both arches, then you need four packages
[11:57:59] <jessicah> so it would cut down on packages we'd need to build
[11:58:08] <jessicah> this is why a versioned bin dir makes sense...
[11:58:22] <axeld> I still don't see that one :-)
[11:58:40] <axeld> As long as you don't load bins as add-ons
[11:58:52] <jessicah> well you have a /bin/x86 for secondary packages for example
[11:59:08] <jessicah> so if you don't version both bin dirs, you can't have single packages yet
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[12:00:15] <jessicah> and if we used something like /lib/r1.x86, then theoretically, we should be able to support multiple gcc4 ABIs down the road
[12:01:08] <jessicah> okay, haiku is finally booting...
[12:01:17] <jessicah> I must've had some weird changes in tree =/
[12:01:54] <axeld> I don't know why there should be a /bin/x86 (I didn't notice it's there yet...)
[12:02:24] <jessicah> I'm not entirely sure either
[12:02:45] <jessicah> I guess there are cases where you have a package for both arches, and need to use the respective binary?
[12:02:51] <jessicah> pkgconfig is an example of this
[12:03:01] <jessicah> gcc & friends is another
[12:03:32] <jessicah> I don't like the new Noto font :(
[12:04:01] <jessicah> it seems too small
[12:04:05] <jessicah> and then too big when bold
[12:04:10] <axeld> I didn't update yet
[12:04:18] <axeld> jessicah: that is a good reason indeed
[12:04:19] <jessicah> not a fan :(
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[12:07:10] <axeld> jessicah: /bin is a symlink anyway
[12:07:41] <axeld> I'm not sure I would call our ABI "r1", though, as r4 might still use r2 which could be confusing
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[12:08:04] <korli> axeld: bzgl #13094, what's the bfs policy? panic when corrupt data is found, or bail out with B_BAD_DATA?
[12:08:51] <jessicah> where does smb.conf go?
[12:08:53] <axeld> korli: I actually don't remember for sure, but I think the usual policy is to bail out with an error, and panic only when compiled in debug mode
[12:09:06] <axeld> jessicah: /system/settings/samba/
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[12:11:30] <korli> axeld: for instance: http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/bfs/BPlusTree.cpp#n319
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[12:12:13] <axeld> jessicah: The noto font seems a bit to small vertically, indeed. I haven't seen it anywhere else yet for comparison, though
[12:12:14] <jessicah> axeld: does smbpasswd work for you?
[12:12:31] <axeld> jessicah: yes it does "smbpasswd -a jessicah"
[12:12:31] <jessicah> I get: Failed to find entry for user user.
[12:12:34] <jessicah> for example
[12:12:43] <axeld> You need to create a new user first
[12:12:52] <axeld> It cannot use the actual user database
[12:13:16] <axeld> korli: yes, that looks good; FATAL() should panic only in debug mode
[12:14:02] <jessicah> ah whoops
[12:14:15] <axeld> korli: http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/bfs/Debug.h#n71
[12:14:37] <axeld> korli: it needs cleanup, but it looks like it works that way
[12:14:50] <axeld> (besides that it never panics currently)
[12:15:02] <korli> indeed
[12:16:56] <axeld> brb
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[12:25:30] <mmu_man> http://www.peppercarrot.com/extras/html/2016_cat-generator/index.php?seed=Haiku
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[12:41:13] <Parth_> is this the chat for haiku inc. google code-in?
[12:41:24] <Parth_> sorry if you already answered
[12:41:29] <Parth_> bad internet
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[12:43:05] <mmu_man> yes
[12:43:06] <mmu_man> eh
[12:43:57] <ValeT> eh hey mmu_man
[12:44:35] <mmu_man> 12:39 < Parth_> is this the chat for haiku inc. google code-in?
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[12:44:35] <mmu_man> 12:41 < Parth_> is this the chat for haiku inc. google code-in?
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[12:44:48] <mmu_man> I guess he'll never know :p
[12:45:04] <ValeT> lol
[12:50:21] <axeld> jessicah: Any news? :-)
[12:55:09] <Emrys> hello. i was wondering if Haiku has a 2048 game? maybe not the one i know of, but similar? maybe we could make this a task for haiku or package an os 2048 like this one? https://github.com/gabrielecirulli/2048
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[13:04:27] <Emrys> oops accidentally said a task is okay while one of the mentors assigned to task said it wasn't. my bad. in any case, this "install and run haiku" task is a bit troublesome
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[14:41:45] <mmu_man> OM*G the default font looks blurred now
[14:42:41] <korli> mmu_man: when updating, noto isn't installed by default
[14:43:22] <mmu_man> yeah I supposed so
[14:43:46] <mmu_man> still, DejaVu should still be here...
[14:47:56] <mmu_man> not that much better, just smaller
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[16:02:13] <axeld> mmu_man: if you increase the font size by one, it looks a lot better.
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[16:06:58] <mmu_man> axeld: thx
[16:07:07] <mmu_man> now I need to fix all the themes
[16:07:18] <mmu_man> although I could just omit the font settings
[16:21:42] <scottmc> Emys TwoFX wrote Haiku2048 during GCI last year.  Although there is no recipe for it, so that could be added.
[16:22:36] <scottmc> Emrys ^
[16:22:39] <Emrys> ah damn, i should have known that. i did search for 2048 on haiku but at first glance nothing showed
[16:23:26] <Emrys> unfortunately there are 2 tasks for 2048, one i created and one fbrosson created (for the recipe) based on that one
[16:24:17] <Emrys> can you delete the one i created? so only the recipe one remains
[16:24:19] <Emrys> thank you
[16:24:26] <scottmc> Maybe think of something else and then change it to be that instead of 2048.  I will update the recipe one to point to the Haiku2048
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[16:27:41] <Emrys> yeah, i'll try to do that in the next couple days.
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[16:39:39] <mmu_man> hmm anyone striking things there yet? https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/wiki/GoogleCodeInIdeas2016
[16:39:49] <mmu_man> I think some tasks have been created already
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[17:13:38] <mmu_man> GCI start is not really the best time to break the build :p
[17:13:57] <ohnx> haha
[17:15:26] <ohnx> you can always jump back in history to an earlier working commit ;)
[17:16:11] <scottmc> i think he expected it to break as there is one or two more changes he needed to make in the process?
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[17:28:47] <scottmc> mmu_man i just crossed a few off that list that we have tasks written for so far.
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[17:40:13] <mmu_man> scottmc: great
[17:40:32] <mmu_man> scottmc: I think he said the build bots would need to be fixed as well
[17:40:47] <mmu_man> they likely expect a .image to be generated
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[17:57:09] <scottmc> Stephanie how goes the compiling?
[17:57:46] <Stephanie> I got the first repo cloned, second one still gets stuck  at different places, I'll keep trying after I get home from school.
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[18:04:01] <humdinger> you can use "git clone --depth 1" to only get the latest revision.
[18:04:18] <humdinger> i.e. no history to go back to, but ou don't need that anway, I guess
[18:04:23] <humdinger> *you
[18:04:25] <Stephanie> So that just gets the latest commit?
[18:05:08] <humdinger> AFAIK yes.
[18:05:25] <humdinger> you could do a depth of 10 or something to have a bit of history
[18:05:46] <humdinger> lest you're condemned to repeat it, you know...
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[18:08:02] <Stephanie> Ah I see
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[18:17:45] <mmu_man> bad network ?
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[20:13:24] <mmu_man> https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/mmu_man/2016-11-29_little_report_capitole_du_libre
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[20:37:42] <PulkoMandy> https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/pulkomandy/2016-11-29_haiku_monthly_activity_report_november_2016
[20:43:00] <mmu_man> cool :)
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[20:57:36] <scottmc> 22 students currently working on tasks
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[21:43:44] <Dacian> hello,I'm a beginner and I'm trying to pass the first task and I don't know how to stank and tile windows. I mean that I don't understand what Hold down OPT means
[21:44:09] <PulkoMandy> OPT is the key with a windows logo on it on PC
[21:44:16] <PulkoMandy> between control and alt usually
[21:46:31] <Dacian> Thank you so much mate
[21:46:36] <Dacian> :)
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[21:49:45] <HAIKU-irker622> haiku.master: janus * hrev50719 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=04a05cf1f6f1+%5E738ca0a3a31d
[21:49:46] <HAIKU-irker622>     04a05cf1f6f1: Diskusage: avoid glitch in "open with..." menu
[21:51:44] <miqlas> PulkoMandy: thanks for your reply for my timegm problem.
[21:52:56] <miqlas> Btw, should i do a recipe fort bullet?
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[21:59:09] <mmu_man> miqlas: how about making a GCI task?
[22:02:31] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3017 of haiku-repository-x86_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed upload repository]  Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_hybrid/builds/3017  blamelist: Janus <janus2 at ymail dot com>
[22:02:54] <miqlas> mmu_man: i' am just 31.. okay, just phisically. mentally around 8.
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[22:04:07] <wmdurand> miqlas: always.
[22:04:13] <miqlas> btw i just sent my bullet pr. i'm not sure about the secondary arch support for x64, maybe somebody should review it
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[22:04:44] <miqlas> hi wmdurand! GCI?
[22:04:50] <wmdurand> yeah
[22:05:00] <miqlas> let usknow if you need any help.
[22:05:47] <wmdurand> thanks. soctt was helping me debug ENV cleanup for a recipe yesterday.
[22:06:01] <mmu_man> miqlas: I don't think I'm much older mentally :p
[22:06:25] <mmu_man> if you ever want to grow up, the Doctor would say "no, you really don't want to do this"
[22:06:27] <miqlas> wmdurand: which recipe did you already?
[22:06:34] <wmdurand> jpegoptim
[22:06:44] <miqlas> oh, yeah, ive seen it.
[22:07:25] <miqlas> wmdurand: already spyed your github account
[22:08:04] <mmu_man> eh
[22:08:10] <mmu_man> miqlas: you're working at the NSA? :p
[22:08:13] <miqlas> mmu_man: any idea, which lib do i need for timegm to not get undefined reference error?
[22:08:31] <miqlas> nope. You missed an A.
[22:09:03] <scottmc> SAAN?
[22:09:34] <miqlas> ANSA? :)
[22:09:54] <wmdurand> for recipes, what should I be doing in terms of verifying working platforms?
[22:10:09] <PulkoMandy> miqlas: axel replied to your mail
[22:10:14] <miqlas> Nope, just joking. I'm working at a small mechanical engineering company in stuttgart area.
[22:10:23] <mmu_man> > nm /system/lib/libroot.so | grep timegm
[22:10:23] <mmu_man> 000a4ecc T timegm
[22:10:24] <miqlas> lemme see, thanks!
[22:10:29] <mmu_man> well libroot definitely exports it
[22:10:38] <mmu_man> sure you did a make clean?
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[22:10:42] <scottmc> wmdurand you should get them working on Atari68000
[22:10:48] <PulkoMandy> wmdurand: just the one you use
[22:10:49] <wmdurand> :)
[22:10:55] <miqlas> i tried to link it with -lroot -lnetwork -lbsd. But i got undefined ref.
[22:11:15] <mmu_man> 'timegm' or another symbol?
[22:11:19] <PulkoMandy> miqlas: see axel's mail, he has a valid point if the code is C++
[22:11:39] <mmu_man> scottmc: LOL
[22:12:19] <miqlas> PulkoMandy: the file extension is .cc, so i think it is.
[22:12:20] <scottmc> wmdurand mmu_man like to work on the old odd-ball platforms...
[22:12:34] <PulkoMandy> miqlas: yes, so that explains it
[22:12:40] <wmdurand> ?
[22:12:43] <PulkoMandy> you can't declare timegm like you did then
[22:13:21] <PulkoMandy> it's better to get the time.h include working anyway, it's supposed to do the right thing
[22:13:23] <miqlas> then how should i do that?
[22:13:34] <PulkoMandy> #define _BSD_SOURCE #include <time.h>
[22:13:44] <PulkoMandy> if that doesn't work there is a problem somewhere else
[22:14:03] <PulkoMandy> maybe something messing with include paths or the project has another file called time.h
[22:14:08] <scottmc> and isn't -lroot included by default?
[22:14:12] <PulkoMandy> yes
[22:14:38] <PulkoMandy> but if you declare timegm in a C++ source, it will search for a C++ symbol, and won't match with the C symbol in libroot
[22:15:02] <miqlas> PulkoMandy: it already includes <time.h>, is it ok?
[22:15:15] <PulkoMandy> yes, just #define _BSD_SOURCE before the #include
[22:15:25] <PulkoMandy> (before all the #includes, to be safe)
[22:15:49] <mmu_man> time.h already does the required extern "C"
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[22:16:56] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3097 of haiku-repository-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/3097
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[22:23:30] <ValeT> hello
[22:23:33] <ValeT> how
[22:23:44] <ValeT> is gci coming everyone?
[22:24:11] <scottmc> we assigned all tasks to ValeT
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[22:24:56] <scottmc> now have 25 students working on tasks.
[22:25:05] <PulkoMandy> we are still at the point where most are working on beginner tasks
[22:25:37] <PulkoMandy> some minor issues like mentors sending tasks for more work without comments as to what is broken, conflicting review from mentors (one saying the task is ok, the other saying it needs more work)
[22:25:44] <PulkoMandy> but things going mostly fine so far overall
[22:25:46] <ValeT> I'm glad I finally got some more tasks
[22:25:50] <ValeT> I thought it was too easy :D
[22:26:09] <ValeT> Rip sorry PulkoMandy
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[22:32:54] <mmu_man> Re: [irssi/irssi] Check for socket() in libnetwork for Haiku (#579)
[22:32:55] <mmu_man> Merged #579.
[22:32:56] <mmu_man> \o/
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[22:41:59] <punsith> Hi i need some help
[22:42:05] <scottmc> how's the task going so far punsith?
[22:42:44] <punsith> Scottmc mmmm i'm stuck
[22:42:57] <scottmc> what step?
[22:43:58] <punsith> internet is not working for Hiku nightly vertion on VM
[22:44:19] <scottmc> in your VM try changing the network card
[22:44:31] <scottmc> then reboot it
[22:45:31] <ValeT> Ah
[22:45:37] <punsith> change it to what
[22:45:39] <ValeT> I used to get this a lot
[22:45:40] <punsith> NAT ?
[22:45:43] <mmu_man> in VirtualBox you can try the eepro1000
[22:45:49] <ValeT> Are you using Virtualbox
[22:45:50] <ValeT> ?
[22:45:54] <mmu_man> no, change the emulated card
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[22:46:18] <punsith> okay :)
[22:46:27] <mmu_man> it's in the Advanced section of the settings
[22:46:31] <PulkoMandy> see here: https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/virtualizing/virtualbox#part_trouble
[22:46:35] <ValeT> mmmmhhhhh
[22:46:44] <mmu_man> I use Intel Pro 1000 MT Desktop
[22:46:57] <PulkoMandy> (I don't know why we have this at the end and not as part of the install procedure)
[22:47:03] <ValeT> I mean it actually varies what you have
[22:47:13] <ValeT> Depending on your network
[22:47:18] <Dacian> I've done the task, and I have to send you a screenshot. How can I take the screenshot from haiku from virtualbox?
[22:47:50] <PulkoMandy> Dacian: using the "print screen" key or the "screenshot" command line app. Or you can use whatever tools you have on the host system, too
[22:49:23] <wmdurand> using the host is very simple as you then have it ready to upload to GCI. shift + cmd + 4 for mac or snipping tool for windows.
[22:49:32] <mmu_man> under GNU/Linux you can use Shift-PrtScreen to select a portion of the screen, so you can select the emulator window
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[22:54:30] <scottmc> Dacian, you used the old Haiku Alpha4, try it using a Haiku nightly image instead.
[22:54:50] <Dacian> oh.. ok
[22:54:53] <Dacian> Thx
[22:55:10] <mmu_man> yeah, we really need to release beta1 :D
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[22:55:39] <punsith> not oka it is woking thank you :))
[22:55:51] <wmdurand> What are you talking about? it's only 3 years old...
[22:56:20] <mmu_man> lol :)
[22:57:18] <scottmc> Dacian how do you like Haiku so far?
[22:57:44] <Dacian> it's pretty nice actually :)
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[22:58:52] <scottmc> I saw you were running it for 3+ hours, when you get the newer one installed try installing some programs using haikudepot, it'll be on the applications menu
[22:59:33] <mmu_man> yeah there's even an IRC client :)
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[23:01:14] <miqlas-H> PulkoMandy mmu_man, axeld: thanks for the help to getting timegm work. I got it compiled.
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[23:02:31] <Dacian> scottmc can I submit the task right now, or I have to do all those tasks on night version?
[23:02:44] <wmdurand> What is the recommended architecture to compile for Haiku?
[23:03:16] <mmu_man> miqlas-H: cool, what was it?
[23:03:41] <mmu_man> wmdurand: well the only officially supported arch is x86_gcc2 hybrid
[23:04:08] <miqlas> it required to define _BSD_SOURCE at the beginning of the includes, not after it.
[23:04:15] <mmu_man> ah ok
[23:04:23] <mmu_man> some other headers probably included time.h first
[23:04:39] <mmu_man> another option is to fix the configure to pass it as command line
[23:06:42] <Dacian> @scottmc
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[23:07:49] <scottmc> Dacian, you can submit a new screenshot just showing the about haiku window open and install one program with haikudepot.
[23:08:26] <Dacian> i cannot connect haiku night to internet
[23:09:13] <scottmc> oh, try changing the network adapter type in your vm?  punsith just had similar issue
[23:09:59] <mmu_man> 22:46 < PulkoMandy> see here: https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/virtualizing/virtualbox#part_trouble
[23:11:01] <Dacian> thc
[23:11:04] <Dacian> thx
[23:12:31] <mmu_man> scottmc: we should probably mention it on the wiki page
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[23:17:35] <HAIKU-irker622> haiku.master: axeld * hrev50720 [3 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=bf4c2f93e394+%5E04a05cf1f6f1
[23:17:36] <HAIKU-irker622>     4d99bf9af703: launch_daemon: Added missing reply for launch target.
[23:17:37] <HAIKU-irker622>     852e09d61f14: launch_daemon: Added stop target ability.
[23:17:38] <HAIKU-irker622>     bf4c2f93e394: launch_roster: Added restart, start/stop works on targets.
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[23:18:52] <Dacian> @scottmc now internet is working but i can find nothing in haikudepot
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[23:21:49] <scottmc> try clicking on refresh depots on the Tools menu?
[23:22:55] <scottmc> mmu_man wiki updated
[23:23:14] <scottmc> big note at bottom of page
[23:24:50] <mmu_man> thx I was about to do it
[23:25:13] <scottmc> any ideas on why haikudepot would be empty?
[23:25:36] <mmu_man> hmm a transparent proxy blocking it maybe?
[23:26:03] <mmu_man> Dacian: could you try with pkgman in Terminal?
[23:26:11] <mmu_man> pkgman search vision
[23:26:12] <mmu_man> for ex.
[23:26:25] <mmu_man> it would give more info I think
[23:26:36] <Dacian> I've succed, thx
[23:26:59] <scottmc> what was the trick to getting it to work Dacian?
[23:27:48] <mmu_man> others might have the same issue
[23:28:33] <Emrys> somehow students miss the "recent nightly image" note, like this https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/5328054700212224
[23:29:43] <Emrys> i thought that's because there's no line that says "you need to install nightly" under virtual box section?
[23:30:17] <Emrys> despite the now bolded+ note above..
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[23:35:44] <miqlas> ouch, inode xx could not be opened. again :(
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[23:36:51] <mmu_man> aw
[23:36:55] <miqlas-H> I think something wrong: "18446744073709551615 blocks could be freed"
[23:37:46] <miqlas> or maybe i just developed a new mass storage technology...
[23:38:56] <mmu_man> yay
[23:39:08] <mmu_man> you're the new kid on the blocks :D
[23:39:14] <miqlas> Nobel award, anybody?
[23:39:54] <miqlas> here is my postal address, just send it to me.
[23:40:58] <miqlas> freeing blocks or blocking fries....
[23:42:10] <scottmc> Dacian nicely done!  Looks like we need to update our virtualization guide to point to the nightly images.
[23:42:36] <Dacian> Yes :D
[23:42:41] <Dacian> Thank you!
[23:45:29] <scottmc> mmu_man are you able to edit the guide page?
[23:46:33] <mmu_man> got an edit link
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[23:47:25] <scottmc> https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/virtualizing/virtualbox
[23:48:10] <scottmc> first paragraph... for this tutorial we will be using ISO found here
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[23:48:36] <mmu_man> didn't we say we'd be renaming anyboot as iso.?
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[23:49:02] <miqlas_> ouch
[23:49:04] <miqlas_> my whole haikuporter folder is empty now
[23:49:11] <scottmc> maybe just change the here link for now to point to the nightly page
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[23:49:35] <miqlas_> i just lost almost all my data :(
[23:49:55] <scottmc> :(
[23:50:07] <scottmc> haikuporter gone astray?
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[23:50:49] <miqlas_> something like that
[23:51:06] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3018 of haiku-repository-x86_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_hybrid/builds/3018
[23:51:10] <miqlas_> the haikuporter folder is empty, the ports-testring folder also empty
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[23:51:51] <mmu_man> http://download.haiku-os.org/ misses an anchor
[23:53:13] <scottmc> try http://download.haiku-os.org/nightly-images/x86_gcc2_hybrid/ instead?
[23:53:28] <miqlas_> well... shit.... my haikuports tree also went away
[23:53:40] <mmu_man> yeah, it misses some explanations though
[23:53:48] <mmu_man> let's use this
[23:53:51] <scottmc> miqlas make sure you are looking at right drive?
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[23:54:23] <scottmc> does finder show any recipe files anywhere on your system?
[23:54:26] <miqlas_> scottmc: i look definetly the right drive
[23:55:06] <miqlas_> every folder looks like empty. but there is somewhere 5 gb data.
[23:56:11] <miqlas_> somebody really should look into the data-loss problems, this is the 5th time that i lost everything.
[23:56:21] <mmu_man> OMG I'll have to reboot soon
[23:56:27] <mmu_man> nvidia driver is going nuts
[23:56:33] <mmu_man> scrambled display on Xorg
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[23:58:43] <mmu_man> scottmc: looks ok?

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