November 27, 2016 
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November 27, 2016 [00:00:39] *** johndrinkwater <johndrinkwater!~beta@steamdb/johndrinkwater.name> has joined #haiku[00:02:32] *** [Beta] <[Beta]!~beta@steamdb/johndrinkwater.name> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[00:24:42] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[00:25:55] <IIsiHaiku> Hrm, telling HaikuDepot to remove Einsteinium doesn't work.[00:27:51] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[00:28:31] <IIsiHaiku> I tried reinstalling, then killing Einsteinium's teams, then uninstalling. This partly worked.[00:29:09] <IIsiHaiku> It left the EinsteiniumBootscript.sh in /config/settings/boot/launch.[00:31:44] <IIsiHaiku> Looks like this is known: in that script, it looks for Einsteinium daemon and engine, and if either is not found, it throws a notification with instruction to manually delete the script.[00:34:24] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:35:47] <IIsiHaiku> O, that's quizical: changing the Deskbar preference for icon size momentarily causes Terminal's list of windows to include Tracker's list of windows.[00:36:11] <IIsiHaiku> The extra entries are then rapidly pruned. All returns to normal.[00:36:54] *** zephjc <zephjc!~Adium@2607:fcc8:bdcf:e900:41b:5930:2fbe:bbca> has left #haiku[00:37:19] * IIsiHaiku should really boot the ol' Vaio to find out what login he used with HaikuDepot and such[00:43:07] *** dcatt <dcatt!~dcatt@pool-71-113-9-141.rcmdva.east.verizon.net> has joined #haiku[01:01:24] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[01:31:55] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!~dario@181.47.131.95> has joined #haiku[01:56:00] *** fujisan <fujisan!~fujisan@unaffiliated/fujisan> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[01:58:55] *** a_ <a_!b4f58dd0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.180.245.141.208> has joined #haiku[01:59:31] <a_> a[02:01:17] <a_> Hello after building haiku.image how to convert it to iso?[02:01:21] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #871 of haiku-nightlies-x86 is complete: Failure [failed build jam] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-nightlies-x86/builds/871[02:06:00] *** hako <hako!~hako@2a01:388:394:112::1:6> has joined #haiku[02:07:44] <a_> Hello after building haiku.image how to convert it to iso?[02:13:36] *** a_ <a_!b4f58dd0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.180.245.141.208> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[02:22:05] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #885 of haiku-nightlies-x86_64 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-nightlies-x86_64/builds/885[02:46:57] *** ValeT <ValeT!47f1fdc2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.71.241.253.194> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[02:48:20] *** ValeT <ValeT!47f1fdc2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.71.241.253.194> has joined #haiku[03:01:17] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df54:60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[03:01:39] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #132 of haiku-master-x86_hybrid-debug is complete: Failure [failed build jam] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_hybrid-debug/builds/132[03:03:22] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #131 of haiku-master-x86_64-debug is complete: Failure [failed build jam] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_64-debug/builds/131[03:05:10] *** dcatt <dcatt!~dcatt@pool-71-113-9-141.rcmdva.east.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:19:17] *** BitPuffin|osx <BitPuffin|osx!~isak@c83-254-5-48.bredband.comhem.se> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[04:53:20] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!~dario@181.47.131.95> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[05:08:45] *** guest3371 <guest3371!~user@2603:3000:1200:4700:456f:524b:2af0:479f> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[05:22:48] *** Freso <Freso!~Freso@musicbrainz/user/Freso> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:23:37] *** Freso <Freso!~Freso@musicbrainz/user/Freso> has joined #haiku[05:47:24] *** Lord_of_Codes <Lord_of_Codes!~Lord_of_C@122.163.244.145> has joined #haiku[07:04:49] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:13:01] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[07:33:24] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[08:58:35] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d86a6f2.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[08:58:35] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[08:59:35] *** ValeT <ValeT!47f1fdc2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.71.241.253.194> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[09:00:37] *** ValeT <ValeT!47f1fdc2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.71.241.253.194> has joined #haiku[09:01:25] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[09:43:18] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[10:02:52] *** Zeno_ <Zeno_!~textual@pool-173-52-209-47.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has joined #haiku[10:03:06] *** Zeno_ <Zeno_!~textual@pool-173-52-209-47.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[10:03:23] <humdinger> Hi PulkoMandy.[10:03:31] <PulkoMandy> hi[10:03:34] <humdinger> thanks for the tip on remote-test-repos.[10:03:50] <humdinger> I only add my freetype packages to that, right?[10:05:07] <humdinger> I did that and right at the end when it's populating the image, there's a barrage of failures, like:[10:05:09] <humdinger> Encountered problems:[10:05:09] <humdinger> problem 1: nothing provides haiku_x86>=r1~alpha4_pm_hrev50710-1 needed by freetype_x86-2.7-1[10:05:10] <humdinger> solution 1:[10:05:11] <humdinger> - allow deinstallation of freetype_x86-2.7-1[10:05:31] <humdinger> I built freetype under hrev50710[10:05:50] <humdinger> there come 90 more messages for all kinds of packages...[10:12:25] <humdinger> ok. I had to git pull the latest code from trunk...[10:13:12] <humdinger> BTW, how did the buildsystem know to use the remote-test-repository?[10:13:26] <humdinger> How will I get rid of it for future builds?[10:19:25] * humdinger reboots[10:19:29] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d86a6f2.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[11:00:26] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-183-70-56.toya.net.pl> has joined #haiku[11:02:25] *** tojoko <tojoko!~tonio@p5B151C77.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[11:10:07] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has joined #haiku[11:14:16] *** Lord_of_Codes <Lord_of_Codes!~Lord_of_C@122.163.244.145> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[11:18:00] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:18:28] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[11:22:06] *** Lord_of_Codes <Lord_of_Codes!~Lord_of_C@122.163.244.145> has joined #haiku[11:26:56] *** Lord_of_Codes <Lord_of_Codes!~Lord_of_C@122.163.244.145> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[12:24:59] *** Lord_of_Codes <Lord_of_Codes!~Lord_of_C@47.8.39.224> has joined #haiku[12:56:05] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df54:60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[13:05:54] *** Lord_of_Codes <Lord_of_Codes!~Lord_of_C@47.8.39.224> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:13:52] *** hako <hako!~hako@2a01:388:394:112::1:6> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:26:25] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has joined #haiku[13:52:17] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[13:52:46] *** auronandace <auronandace!~auronanda@2a02:c7d:4427:e200:f489:67f9:a055:2c85> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[13:54:41] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[13:58:51] *** knarf <knarf!~knarf@89-159-149-97.rev.numericable.fr> has joined #haiku[14:05:37] *** auronandace <auronandace!~auronanda@2a02:c7d:4427:e200:3cd4:fa59:45f5:d210> has joined #haiku[14:07:10] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[14:29:18] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[14:34:21] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has joined #haiku[14:53:57] *** Lord_of_Codes <Lord_of_Codes!~Lord_of_C@122.163.244.145> has joined #haiku[14:58:05] *** knarf <knarf!~knarf@89-159-149-97.rev.numericable.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[15:19:13] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-46-76-17-119.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[15:32:05] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-77-113-15-105.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #haiku[15:47:31] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-183-70-56.toya.net.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[16:02:19] *** hako <hako!~hako@2a01:388:394:112::1:6> has joined #haiku[16:15:56] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[16:15:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[16:16:31] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-183-70-56.toya.net.pl> has joined #haiku[16:34:25] *** Feitan <Feitan!~vision@49.145.105.7> has joined #haiku[16:39:18] *** postmen <postmen!~tonio@p5B15089B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[16:42:58] *** tojoko <tojoko!~tonio@p5B151C77.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[17:01:37] *** hako <hako!~hako@2a01:388:394:112::1:6> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[17:26:55] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[17:33:56] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-183-70-56.toya.net.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[17:35:31] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d86a6f2.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[17:35:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[17:43:49] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has joined #haiku[17:44:09] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:53:05] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-183-70-56.toya.net.pl> has joined #haiku[17:57:19] * IIsiHaiku can now run three out of four Haiku bare-metal installs simultaneously[17:57:52] * IIsiHaiku discovers on one of them he was porting Forth?[17:58:18] <IIsiHaiku> O, just in July of this year?[17:58:31] <IIsiHaiku> Must not have been a memorable experience. (-:[17:59:12] <mmu_man> eh[18:01:00] <humdinger> IIsiHaiku: was it July the Forth?[18:01:40] <IIsiHaiku> Last edit July 24th :-D[18:03:46] <IIsiHaiku> I remember reading the names "gforth", "bforth", and "4tH", but really don't remember what I did with them.[18:04:20] <IIsiHaiku> And why didn't I do a forth Forth?[18:04:36] * IIsiHaiku ponders[18:04:50] <IIsiHaiku> If I get a bunch of Forths working on Haiku,[18:04:59] <mmu_man> May the Forth be with you :)[18:05:02] <IIsiHaiku> I can /nick Forthwright[18:09:34] <IIsiHaiku> I'm so used to the ol' Vaio B100B -- which needs an old version of Haiku to work -- not having icon and small icon views in Tracker.[18:10:24] <IIsiHaiku> I forgot the other views were added.[18:11:55] <humdinger> Tracker used to be list view mode only?[18:12:04] <humdinger> I can't believe that...[18:12:49] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-80-140-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:13:08] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-162-94-20.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[18:13:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[18:14:03] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-183-70-56.toya.net.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[18:15:11] <IIsiHaiku> Yep, had List view checkmarked, and no other options.[18:16:00] <humdinger> but you still had icon vew and mini icon view mode (i.e. non-list vewi mode)[18:18:46] <IIsiHaiku> I need to get a better olde laptop for Haiku. In the senses that the B100B graphics chipset can only support an external monitor the same resolution as the internal, takes ~10 minutes to boot with a recent hrev, and black-screens 30% of the time when booting ye olde hrev[18:20:03] <humdinger> takes two coffee breaks. that's too long.[18:20:41] <IIsiHaiku> Ah, case in point. Took two tries to boot hrev49180, due to black screen after rocket, just now.[18:21:26] <IIsiHaiku> If it doesn't black-screen, it boots pretty fast. But recent nightlies take almost 10 minutes after the Rocket.[18:22:02] <IIsiHaiku> This may be why for a long time I thought semi-recent nightlies couldn't boot it. Didn't wait 10 minutes to see if anything happened.[18:22:32] <humdinger> sounds wrong to me.[18:25:20] <IIsiHaiku> ... I was just running this machine last night, and Tracker was only showing me list view in the menu. I swear (:[18:25:24] <IIsiHaiku> Now it shows all.[18:25:52] <IIsiHaiku> There were literally no other views in the Window menu.[18:26:09] <humdinger> then it was a virtual folder.[18:26:45] <IIsiHaiku> Ah, because it can't save the setting for a virtual folder?[18:27:33] <IIsiHaiku> Here I was thinking "Ah, this quaint ol' hrev..."[18:28:17] <humdinger> No, I think settings are saved, but different view modes aren't yet implemented.[18:28:29] <IIsiHaiku> Hrm.[18:28:42] <humdinger> food[18:28:45] * humdinger is idle: dinner[18:29:03] <IIsiHaiku> afk launch[18:29:13] * IIsiHaiku is idle: mmmm, lunch[18:29:44] *** Freso <Freso!~Freso@musicbrainz/user/Freso> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[18:30:57] *** Freso <Freso!~Freso@musicbrainz/user/Freso> has joined #haiku[18:39:30] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:44:16] *** ValeT <ValeT!47f1fdc2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.71.241.253.194> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[18:45:47] *** ValeT <ValeT!47f1fdc2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.71.241.253.194> has joined #haiku[18:52:22] <IIsiHaiku> So...turns out I got gforth, BForth, and 4tH all compiled in July.[18:52:33] *** hako <hako!~hako@109.175.185.0> has joined #haiku[18:52:56] <IIsiHaiku> Must notta taken much effort for me, since I forgot I got them running.[18:53:50] <IIsiHaiku> Well, more stuff to package, after I get through reading up on HaikuPorter.[18:54:19] <IIsiHaiku> 4tH actually has an extensive manual.[18:55:15] <IIsiHaiku> One big text file though, so I'm compelled to turn it into something more usable.[18:55:29] <IIsiHaiku> The scrollbar barely moves when I page through it! :-D[18:55:46] <mmu_man> :)[18:56:57] *** stux16777216Away <stux16777216Away!stux@legacy.xzibition.com> has joined #haiku[18:59:54] <IIsiHaiku> Bluhg, forgot WebPositive follows an old model for history: If time since last launch is more than max-days-preference, delete all history without prompting.[19:00:06] <IIsiHaiku> On the one hand, correct: obeys the preference.[19:01:20] <IIsiHaiku> On the other hand: messes things up when bringing a Haiku install online which was last used more than max-days-preference ago.[19:02:11] <IIsiHaiku> At least if pages were loaded in tabs at last clean exit of WebPositive, it can usually get them back.[19:02:27] <mmu_man> you can send a patch ;-)[19:02:30] <IIsiHaiku> Regardless of max-days-preference.[19:03:04] * humdinger has returned[19:03:18] <IIsiHaiku> Yeah. I'll have to think of some non-destructive logic.[19:04:55] <IIsiHaiku> Not just a prompt like "WebPostivie was last launched more than [max-days-preference] ago. Would you like to preserve you prior browsing history?" because then the second launch would wipe the history.[19:05:36] <IIsiHaiku> Mebbe a "...Would you like to backup your prior browsing history?" and add a way to load backed up history.[19:09:15] <mmu_man> Freso: hey, you there :)[19:09:28] <mmu_man> btw, what could we do together for GCI this year?[19:09:49] <IIsiHaiku> "Forth" is a really unfortunate name for a language. Search engines cannae distinguish it from the generic word. ^_^[19:11:49] <IIsiHaiku> Which, incidentally, is why I don't like to correct people who say "Haiku OS" instead of "Haiku".[19:17:42] <humdinger> IIsiHaiku: best would not to have the previous 7 days in the history, but the last 7 days where the browsing in Web+ was done.[19:17:56] <humdinger> Then it wouldnt matte rif the 7th day was a week ago or a month[19:18:13] <IIsiHaiku> Yeah, that could work.[19:18:43] <IIsiHaiku> Then it could be transparent to the user.[19:19:24] <IIsiHaiku> Though sometimes we might get people complaining (or reporting a bug) that Haiku doesn't respect the setting...[19:19:36] * IIsiHaiku thinks of different wording for the setting[19:19:47] <humdinger> but how to name the strings in the GUI[19:20:06] <humdinger> I have to reboot quickly...[19:20:09] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d86a6f2.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[19:25:33] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d86a6f2.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[19:25:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[19:25:47] <IIsiHaiku> re[19:26:06] <humdinger> plop[19:28:43] <HAIKU-irker082> haiku.master: humdinger * hrev50713 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=0baa937bde9d+%5E209b520fa0a3[19:28:44] <HAIKU-irker082> 945566ff4358: Switch from DejaVu to Noto font[19:28:45] <HAIKU-irker082> 0baa937bde9d: Update to freetype 2.7[19:28:47] <humdinger> here goes nothing...[19:30:10] <IIsiHaiku> character spacing looked better, but contrast was often worse.[19:30:38] <humdinger> with newer freetype?[19:30:43] <IIsiHaiku> Should look good on high-DPI, though.[19:30:45] <IIsiHaiku> Yeah.[19:30:58] <humdinger> I wouldn[19:31:02] <humdinger> 't know.[19:31:14] <humdinger> my panel's brightness is always full power...[19:31:27] *** Lord_of_Codes <Lord_of_Codes!~Lord_of_C@122.163.244.145> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[19:31:54] <IIsiHaiku> Naught todo with panel brightness.[19:32:21] <humdinger> I mean, I cannot judge contrast unbiased[19:33:37] <IIsiHaiku> 2.7 doesn't snap solid to grid as much, so fewer pixels are solid colour (e.g. black on white, in the most common case), so shapes tend to be fuzzier.[19:34:02] <IIsiHaiku> But it depends on the font. Some don't seem harmed at all.[19:34:32] <humdinger> there's supposed to be some tweaks in Haiku missing yet to improve things.[19:34:50] <humdinger> the noto font doesn't look bad anyway.[19:35:41] <Freso> mmu_man: 🙋[19:35:59] <Freso> mmu_man: You have any music players? Music rippers? Anything music?[19:36:26] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3154 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed build jam] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/3154 blamelist: Humdinger <humdingerb at gmail dot com>[19:36:35] <Freso> I've been thinking about having tasks for ListenBrainz integration in whatever music/media players/software I can think of (that already has scrobbling support).[19:36:43] <IIsiHaiku> I found that switching to a typeface with narrower characters, less character spacing, and much less height, then decreasing point size to 9 helped some older apps fit their text in Haiku's allocated space.[19:36:58] <IIsiHaiku> (In our current Freetype, I mean)[19:37:03] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3011 of haiku-repository-x86_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed build jam] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_hybrid/builds/3011 blamelist: Humdinger <humdingerb at gmail dot com>[19:38:22] <IIsiHaiku> But then I was reminded of trying to fit as much as possible on-screen during '90s, by making everything as tiny as possible well still being mostly legible[19:38:29] <mmu_man> Freso: yes, we have MediaPlayer (native, using the Media Kit), VLC, and some others[19:38:52] <Freso> Does MediaPlayer have scrobbling support?[19:39:14] <IIsiHaiku> I think not.[19:39:39] <mmu_man> There is already a GCI task to add some features to MediaPlayer, not sure which[19:40:30] <mmu_man> hmm can't find it, maybe it wasn't created[19:40:44] <mmu_man> OTOH, we already use extended attributes to store metadata[19:40:50] <mmu_man> including rating IIRC[19:41:04] <mmu_man> we have a cddb lookup tool, could be extended[19:43:25] *** ValeT <ValeT!47f1fdc2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.71.241.253.194> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[19:43:50] <Freso> I think we have deprecated our FreeDB "mirror"/gateway, so using MB data via the FreeDB protocol will Soon™ go away (ie., when we deem that updating it to a new schema change release is more hassle than not having it - or the machine it lives on dies).[19:44:07] <Freso> *machine a.k.a. VM[19:44:34] <Freso> So yes, having some kind of MB lookup would be nice. :)[19:44:47] <Freso> Does libdiscid work under Haiku?[19:45:10] <Freso> https://github.com/metabrainz/libdiscid[19:45:21] <mmu_man> dunno[19:45:28] <mmu_man> porting would be a first task :)[19:45:38] <Freso> That could be a first step if it doesn't.[19:45:43] <mmu_man> hmm does it needs ioctls to read infos from the drive ?[19:46:06] <Freso> (OTOH, it's C code that runs on *nix, Win, and Mac OS X, so it might already Just Work™ elsewhere.)[19:46:09] <Freso> No clue.[19:46:12] <mmu_man> yeah I think yes[19:46:30] <mmu_man> seeing all the disc_{darwin,freebsd,...}[19:46:36] <mmu_man> shouldn't be that hard[19:46:43] <mmu_man> unless we lack the ioctl required[19:46:57] <mmu_man> but our old CDPlayer app could read the TOC so...[19:47:43] <mmu_man> oh wait, we have media-libs/libdiscid in haikuports \o/[19:47:54] <Freso> Well, there you go. :)[19:48:01] <mmu_man> oh but it's an old format recipe[19:48:08] <mmu_man> so it must be updated to haikuporter format :)[19:48:16] <Freso> Is that task worthy?[19:48:27] <Freso> A beginner task maybe?[19:48:41] * Freso doesn't really know how haiku packaging worked or works :/[19:49:03] <mmu_man> no it's a valid task[19:49:20] <Freso> 🙌[19:49:33] *** stux|work <stux|work!~stux@37.48.121.205> has quit IRC (Quit: Aloha!)[19:49:42] <mmu_man> it's shell-script based with a lot of FOO=[19:49:46] <Freso> What language is MediaPlayer?[19:49:53] <mmu_man> but the new format needs much more dependency info[19:49:56] <mmu_man> C++[19:50:00] <mmu_man> most Haiku is C++[19:50:19] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d86a6f2.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[19:50:31] <Freso> C++ can use compiled C libs just fine, right?[19:50:54] * Freso doesn't really work with much programming that isn't web programming or(/and…) Python... >_>[19:51:56] <mmu_man> yes[19:53:13] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d86a6f2.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[19:53:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[19:53:52] <mmu_man> hmm it needs porting anyway...[19:55:28] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3090 of haiku-repository-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/3090[19:55:28] <Freso> Okay. So once libdiscid has been ported, it might be possible to extend the current disc lookup by hooking into libdiscid to get a MusicBrainz DiscID and look that up in MB.[19:56:08] <Freso> It's definitely less than GSoC size, but might need to be chopped up a bit to be GCI size tasks.[19:59:05] <mmu_man> You will port **libdiscid** to Haiku, adding proper ioctl support for reading the CD TOC.[19:59:08] <mmu_man> Your port should be submitted upstream as a pull-request to their github.[19:59:13] <mmu_man> should be enough as task description[19:59:19] <mmu_man> and another task to write a recipe[19:59:53] <mmu_man> I'll be tagging them as metabrainz as well[20:00:12] <HAIKU-irker082> haiku.master: korli * hrev50714 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=c196d6da4e96+%5E0baa937bde9d[20:00:13] <HAIKU-irker082> c196d6da4e96: Mass update for x86_64.[20:02:13] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3092 of haiku-master-x86 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86/builds/3092[20:04:07] <Freso> mmu_man: Will you add those as Haiku tasks or should I add them under MeB?[20:04:29] <mmu_man> I'm adding them already[20:04:39] <Freso> 🙌[20:05:46] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3209 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2 is complete: Failure [failed build jam] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2/builds/3209 blamelist: J?r?me Duval <jerome.duval at gmail dot com>[20:05:55] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3093 of haiku-master-x86 is complete: Failure [failed build jam] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86/builds/3093 blamelist: J?r?me Duval <jerome.duval at gmail dot com>[20:06:28] <mmu_man> done[20:07:45] <mmu_man> https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/tasks/5714500892229632/[20:07:51] <mmu_man> https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/tasks/5068814567866368/[20:07:59] <mmu_man> not published yet[20:09:11] <mmu_man> oh right, cddb_lookup actually uses xattrs in the mounted cddafs drive instead of ioctls[20:11:08] <mmu_man> cf. http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/bin/cddb_lookup/cddb_lookup.cpp[20:23:54] <mmu_man> now we should either make cddb_lookup more modular or write an alternative one[20:24:05] <mmu_man> not sure what axeld would want[20:29:26] *** ValeT <ValeT!47f1fdc2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.71.241.253.194> has joined #haiku[20:35:01] *** jprostko <jprostko!~jprostko@dynamic-acs-24-239-196-251.zoominternet.net> has joined #haiku[20:48:16] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[20:48:57] <Vidrep> That was quite the mass update on 64 bit Haiku today[20:49:38] <Vidrep> I think I'll wait for the anyboot image to download[20:55:23] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-183-70-56.toya.net.pl> has joined #haiku[20:56:09] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-092-252-106-136.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has joined #haiku[20:56:09] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[20:58:14] <mmu_man> axeld: hi[20:58:32] <mmu_man> we were discussing doing stuff with MetaBrainz for GCI[20:59:15] <mmu_man> they are going to deprecate their FreeDB mirror, so we might want to change cddb_lookup to use their new db directly[20:59:34] <mmu_man> either make it more modular, or write a new tool to do it[21:01:04] <Freso> TMW a 16 y.o. database is called "new". ❤️[21:03:24] <mmu_man> :P[21:04:05] <mmu_man> it's about as new as Haiku[21:09:01] *** jprostko <jprostko!~jprostko@dynamic-acs-24-239-196-251.zoominternet.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:11:04] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d86a6f2.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[21:12:39] *** jprostko <jprostko!~jprostko@dynamic-acs-24-239-196-251.zoominternet.net> has joined #haiku[21:14:32] *** ValeT <ValeT!47f1fdc2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.71.241.253.194> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - 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