November 26, 2016 
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November 26, 2016 [00:05:43] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[00:08:11] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has joined #haiku[00:20:03] *** [JJ]Albert <[JJ]Albert!~Albert@2602:306:3bf2:b330:54ea:cfaa:faa:d4> has joined #haiku[00:21:23] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x55b4cb89.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[00:21:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[00:23:12] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[00:26:13] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x55b4cb89.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[00:59:25] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has joined #haiku[01:13:57] *** ACGuy <ACGuy!~vision@85.137.71.155.dyn.user.ono.com> has joined #haiku[01:14:11] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[01:15:32] *** ACGuy <ACGuy!~vision@85.137.71.155.dyn.user.ono.com> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[01:16:24] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has joined #haiku[01:16:38] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[01:21:04] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has joined #haiku[01:24:21] <AlienSoldier> Barrett i upgraded to 50710 to see if the crash can come and go depending on minor timming from a rev to another. Will let you know if it stay the same or if it crash less or more.[01:26:07] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #haiku[01:37:55] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[01:37:59] <Vidrep> Hi[01:38:39] <Vidrep> AlienSoldier, do you have an optical drive in your PC?[01:40:21] <AlienSoldier> Vidrep yes[01:40:41] <AlienSoldier> not connected to "CD" port on board that said[01:40:50] <AlienSoldier> always used audio as file system in beos[01:42:14] <AlienSoldier> that one even is a DVD player[01:42:50] <Vidrep> So, it's an old fashioned IDE CD drive, or a SATA drive?[01:43:35] <AlienSoldier> good question[01:43:45] <AlienSoldier> i did not assemled that one it was given to me[01:44:04] <Vidrep> I'm trying to play store bought audio CD's on an internal SATA DVD drive using MediaPlayer[01:44:24] <Vidrep> It is stuttering and cutting out a lot[01:44:38] <AlienSoldier> at one point i stoped testing CD playing in haiku because it was too weak[01:44:43] <AlienSoldier> always crashing[01:44:55] <AlienSoldier> I will try later to see how it is[01:44:56] <Vidrep> I thought maybe a bad optical drive, so I went out and acquired another one - still same problem[01:45:18] <Dane___> That's worrisome[01:45:44] <Vidrep> Using the optical drive in my other Haiku PC is the same, but not as noticible[01:46:38] <Vidrep> If I rip the tracks to my HD and play them in MediaPlayer it is perfect[01:47:04] <AlienSoldier> 90's rewind, rythm is a dancer, that should test it alright :P[01:47:37] <Vidrep> Dane___, I can see where this might be of particular concern to you[01:47:38] <AlienSoldier> i collect any audio cd i can find :)[01:48:09] <AlienSoldier> ho, it mount with the right name[01:48:36] <Vidrep> I'm going to create a ticket for this[01:49:35] <Dane___> Vidrep Yeah, we don't play off CDs, but sketchy CD access is a general problem when ripping, etc.[01:49:45] <AlienSoldier> Vidrep so far it skiped sound when buffering in the start, and do it again from time to time. Playing it as wav file, not direct CDDA.[01:50:08] <Vidrep> How can I get some useful data other than the model of the drive from "Devices" "DriveSetup" and perhaps a syslog?[01:50:11] <AlienSoldier> amazing to see it did not crashed like before, but i was on another PC then.[01:51:13] <AlienSoldier> Vidrep VLC can log what happed, like starving etc...[01:51:19] <AlienSoldier> *happen[01:51:54] <Vidrep> Once I've created the ticket, perhaps you guys could chime in with comments or some data, should it also happen on your systems.[01:53:19] <AlienSoldier> Vidrep using MP from terminal don't verbose anything when it skip[01:53:33] <AlienSoldier> will try VLC...[01:54:53] <AlienSoldier> Skip less, when it did here is what i got:[01:54:57] <AlienSoldier> main audio output : computed PTS is out of range (130376), clearing out[01:54:58] <AlienSoldier> main audio output : PTS is out of range (130431), dropping buffer[01:54:59] <AlienSoldier> main audio output : output PTS is out of range (139427), clearing out[01:54:59] <AlienSoldier> main audio output : PTS is out of range (107542), dropping buffer[01:55:00] <AlienSoldier> main audio output : PTS is out of range (84436), dropping buffer[01:55:00] <AlienSoldier> main audio output : PTS is out of range (81092), dropping buffer[01:55:01] <AlienSoldier> main audio output : PTS is out of range (58185), dropping buffer[01:55:01] <AlienSoldier> main audio output : PTS is out of range (35040), dropping buffer[01:55:02] <AlienSoldier> main audio output : PTS is out of range (31558), dropping buffer[01:55:03] <AlienSoldier> main audio output : PTS is out of range (8410), dropping buffer[01:55:03] <AlienSoldier> main audio output : PTS is out of range (-14737), dropping buffer[01:55:04] <AlienSoldier> main audio output : PTS is out of range (-18215), dropping buffer[01:55:51] <AlienSoldier> at least it is stable[01:56:09] <AlienSoldier> or perhaps it alwasy was and the original CD player app was not[01:57:04] <AlienSoldier> even playing two from same CD does not crash[01:57:46] <AlienSoldier> will try playfile[01:58:34] <AlienSoldier> that one also skip, no verbose message[01:59:40] <Vidrep> I'm not sure whether this is a problem with cdda, codecs, or what????[01:59:56] <AlienSoldier> not codec, VLC use its own[01:59:59] <Vidrep> I'll let one of the devs sort it out :)[02:00:09] <King_Warg1> ..and with the whine of dusty fans and the rattle of an old winchester hard drive a long forgotten 100MHz beast reawakens[02:00:09] <AlienSoldier> seem it buffer starve[02:01:22] <AlienSoldier> King_Warg1 hehe i was given an old HD the other day, Magnetic Peripheral inc[02:02:11] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #884 of haiku-nightlies-x86_64 is complete: Failure [failed build jam] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-nightlies-x86_64/builds/884[02:03:35] <Vidrep> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13092[02:03:49] <AlienSoldier> wow that was an old company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_Data_Corporation[02:03:58] <King_Warg1> the good old days[02:04:05] <Vidrep> Dane___, you've been having issues with CD ripping for a long time now[02:04:20] <King_Warg1> conner, tandon, seagate...[02:04:26] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #889 of haiku-nightlies-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed build jam] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-nightlies-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/889[02:05:37] <Vidrep> King_Warg1, I still want to sort out my lone upload to BeBytes :)[02:06:03] <Vidrep> I wasn't able to edit anything last time I tried a few weeks ago[02:06:14] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #884 of haiku-nightlies-x86_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed build jam] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-nightlies-x86_hybrid/builds/884[02:06:21] *** BitPuffin|osx <BitPuffin|osx!~isak@c83-254-5-48.bredband.comhem.se> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[02:06:50] <AlienSoldier> Vidrep is it doing the same with mp3 file on CD (i have none to test)[02:07:20] <Vidrep> AlienSoldier, so, you're also having the same issue with stuttering audio?[02:07:54] <AlienSoldier> Vidrep it does not stutter when it play, it work fine, it just pause 1-2 sec from time to time.[02:08:16] <Vidrep> Pausing is bad enough. I see that too[02:08:35] <Vidrep> Sometimes the pause is several seconds[02:08:45] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:08:48] <AlienSoldier> the sound quality for me between the pause is perfect[02:09:03] <King_Warg1> i should have enabled editing of user uploads[02:10:17] *** DCatt <DCatt!~vision@pool-71-113-21-58.rcmdva.east.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-090423]: i've been blurred!)[02:10:33] <AlienSoldier> Vidrep i don't see any 100%surge in cpu meter either[02:11:09] <AlienSoldier> humm and now it does not even seem to skip anymore[02:11:22] *** King_Warg1 is now known as King_Warg[02:11:23] <AlienSoldier> did it buffer all the song? i will try another one[02:11:33] <Vidrep> Just for fun, I'm going to throw my old PIII BeOS PC on the workbench and play an audio CD. I'll bet any money it will work perfectly.[02:11:50] <AlienSoldier> haddaway, what is love! :P[02:13:14] <Vidrep> My plan for yesterday and today was to write up a nice report on using Haiku on a GPT disk. Instead I got sidetracked with this...[02:13:15] <AlienSoldier> Vidrep it does not skip anymore, perhaps it have to do with dust being blown by spinning.[02:13:48] <AlienSoldier> i will have to retry this at a reboot to make sure no prebuffering is taking place[02:14:36] <AlienSoldier> Vidrep did you inspect for CD scratch, also uou may have to clean the lens with isopropyl alcohol[02:15:17] <Vidrep> It's doing this on two different PC's, and I even replaced one of the drives with another[02:15:34] <AlienSoldier> Vidrep and because of you i am now distracted with playing 90s dance music at full power in the house :P[02:16:44] <King_Warg> turn it up with some 70s disco[02:17:54] <AlienSoldier> of course a media add-on crash needed to cut my music orgasm :)[02:18:01] <King_Warg> ..suddenly the dusty trusty old hard drive is fading into noises that sound like a radial grinder :o[02:18:07] <AlienSoldier> *media server add-on[02:19:08] <Vidrep> Dance music???? I won't be coming to your place for a tune session :)[02:19:25] * AlienSoldier Media player is now playing Depeche Mode Enjoy the Silence[02:19:37] <AlienSoldier> man i hate that bug[02:20:23] <Vidrep> I tried VLC and it stutters and cuts out as well. Lots of messages about buffers[02:21:11] *** pixdamix <pixdamix!~pix@unaffiliated/pixdamix> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1)[02:21:51] <AlienSoldier> Vidrep might as well do a test on reboot right now as i messed my sound, brb[02:22:00] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[02:22:24] *** mounty <mounty!~mounty@c110-23-125-201.rochd7.qld.optusnet.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[02:23:58] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has joined #haiku[02:25:07] *** herald <herald!70d79934@gateway/web/freenode/ip.112.215.153.52> has joined #haiku[02:25:48] *** herald <herald!70d79934@gateway/web/freenode/ip.112.215.153.52> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[02:26:04] <AlienSoldier> Vidrep mine is a IDE[02:26:55] <AlienSoldier> still skip a bit[02:28:46] <AlienSoldier> trying Aplayer...[02:29:57] <AlienSoldier> look fine so far.[02:30:27] <AlienSoldier> perhaps it need to buffer when file is accessed the first ime[02:30:30] <AlienSoldier> *time[02:30:50] <AlienSoldier> and it start not ready[02:31:33] <AlienSoldier> droping the CD volume on theplayer is working[02:31:44] <AlienSoldier> i feared a bad crash[02:31:49] <AlienSoldier> but it skipped a bit[02:33:46] <AlienSoldier> it is not as smooth as playing at 1X as in CDDA mode that said, the buffering make the disc speed spin and make more noise than it should.[02:37:33] <Vidrep> Haiku "should" be able to play a audio CD without any problems[02:38:30] <Vidrep> I'm going to switch PC's[02:38:35] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[02:47:42] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[02:48:15] <AlienSoldier> Something seem not right in MediaPlayer resampling. I did not notice before but it sure micro stutter when other player do not.[02:48:59] <Vidrep> The same audio CD is playing OK on my other PC. That wasn't the case yesterday[02:50:02] <Vidrep> This PC is a core i5 with 8GB of RAM. I don't think a supercomputer is required for CD playback :)[02:50:32] <AlienSoldier> and the save wave from HD play fine now.[02:50:52] <King_Warg> considering you can squeeze smooth mp3 playback out of a 100MHz 486 if you try hard enough...[02:50:56] <Vidrep> I have Zeta 1.5 on another partition on the first PC. I never thought to try that...[02:51:29] <Vidrep> Switching back...[02:51:32] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[02:52:00] <King_Warg> i even got a 20MHz 68k powerbook to play an mp3 sampled down and in 1 channel xD[02:53:01] *** pixdamix <pixdamix!~pix@unaffiliated/pixdamix> has joined #haiku[02:53:08] <AlienSoldier> King_Warg i played a very simple mp3 on my A12000 once[02:53:20] <AlienSoldier> *A1200[02:53:40] <scanty> even a BeBox is too slow to decode at realtime[02:53:49] <King_Warg> because RISC power[02:53:54] <scanty> and i know this because i had a bebox[02:55:06] <King_Warg> the A1200 had about the same CPU[02:57:21] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[02:58:14] <mmu_man> I need to try this[02:58:21] <mmu_man> but first, zz[02:58:35] <Vidrep> Zeta doesn't even detect the DVD drive, so much for that idea[02:59:09] <King_Warg> 0.o[02:59:22] *** nighty- <nighty-!~cp@www.taiyolabs.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:00:31] <AlienSoldier> Vidrep i seem to notice the MP stutter you mention, very subtle here. If seem all is fine until triggered after a skip. As if the alignment of the buffer become oof[03:00:34] <AlienSoldier> *off[03:00:49] <scanty> zeta was a hot mess[03:00:53] <AlienSoldier> i don't notice it with Aplayer so far[03:00:57] <King_Warg> indeed[03:01:23] <King_Warg> the networking in zeta made me sad right off the bat >_>[03:01:44] <scanty> to me it was really rough around the edges, and not a complete product[03:01:48] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:01:51] <AlienSoldier> MediaPlayer might be a can of worm :)[03:02:38] <Vidrep> It could be how Haiku interacts with the hardware. Two different DVD drives on the same PC with the same result.[03:02:39] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[03:03:24] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[03:03:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[03:04:53] <Vidrep> If you connect an external USB optical drive to Haiku with a audio CD in it, it does not see it at all[03:05:36] <Vidrep> Only data can be seen, but not audio. Another starange problem that dates back at least 6 years[03:05:42] <Vidrep> strange[03:06:11] <AlienSoldier> Vidrep copyrighprotection?[03:06:37] <Vidrep> I've tried homebrew audio CD's too[03:07:12] <AlienSoldier> but could the drive do it at hardware level regardless of the content, does it work well in linux[03:07:34] <Vidrep> For fun i'll try BeOS...[03:07:37] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[03:08:05] <AlienSoldier> BeOS don'T do much as far as USB goes, until you used the mass storage Haiku module[03:08:16] <scanty> AlienSoldier, are you running on bare metal?[03:08:24] <AlienSoldier> scanty always :)[03:08:31] <scanty> does pretendo work still?[03:08:48] <scanty> i haven't done a haiku build in a while[03:08:51] <King_Warg> wasnt there some unofficial usb storage drivers and such put out for beos..[03:09:10] <King_Warg> i recall seeing them while droning through things adding to bebytes[03:09:25] <AlienSoldier> scanty i don'T seem to have the build around anymore, probably is on a backup[03:09:34] <scanty> no problem[03:09:43] <scanty> going to try it in a VM tomorrow[03:10:20] <IIsiHaiku> I've bee reading about an olde attempt to port SBCL to Haiku. Years later, I have a partial answer for the problems with genesis >.<[03:10:22] <AlienSoldier> scanty playing a lot on my C64 hooked to my 32 inch wega lately[03:10:29] <scanty> cool[03:10:33] <scanty> my C64 is in storage[03:10:33] <AlienSoldier> in Svideo no less :)[03:10:56] <scanty> so is my mega sun machine[03:11:03] <scanty> nowhere to put it[03:11:07] <King_Warg> i just rescued a C64 from an old guys garage a few months ago..[03:11:49] <IIsiHaiku> Guess I'll just have to follow this PDF I've been reading, then write ~2200 lines of code to port it. (The document estimates that many lines for platform-specific code, not counting the garbage collector...)[03:11:53] <AlienSoldier> King_Warg get a 1541 ultimate II+, mine is not the + but i enjoy it a lot[03:12:45] <King_Warg> i got a bunch of 1541 drives from the dayton hamvention earlier for like $10[03:13:18] <IIsiHaiku> More apropos: I used to play CD Audio fine in BeOS R5 with P166MMX and internal IDE optical drive. |-:[03:14:43] * IIsiHaiku returns reading about the Steel Bank Common Lisp build process[03:15:07] <AlienSoldier> CD playing and burning worked like a charm in R5, i was burning all my CD in R% in that time because i wanted to minimize a window crash when doin one[03:16:19] <IIsiHaiku> Almost every Lisp has this chicken<->egg problem: needs an existing Common Lisp compatible installation on the target system to compile a new Lisp on it.[03:16:22] <Barrett> what's the problem with audio cds?[03:17:19] <IIsiHaiku> SBCL at least offers the hope of cross-compilation. Although, supposedly CLISP was ported to BeOS--but I can't find any copies of it.[03:17:38] *** nighty- <nighty-!~cp@www.taiyolabs.com> has joined #haiku[03:18:21] <AlienSoldier> Barrett 1: they can skip once the track is started. I noticed that once a skip happen, the soud stutter very likely in MP, not in Aplayer.[03:18:40] <Barrett> is this on usb drive?[03:18:54] <AlienSoldier> Barrett IDE DVD drive[03:19:25] <Barrett> the MP media nodes are weird[03:20:06] <Barrett> APlayer use BSoundPlayer[03:22:12] <AlienSoldier> Barrett it still suffer ocasional skip but never stutter as a process after. the stutter is very subttle i did not noticed it before testing the skipping in different players.[03:22:38] <AlienSoldier> Barrett almost like a ressempling bug from that point.[03:23:33] <AlienSoldier> Barrett a good test would be to have the same data stream out of the player as an original wav file.[03:23:53] <AlienSoldier> with a write to file option or something[03:24:03] *** ValeT <ValeT!47f1fdc2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.71.241.253.194> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[03:24:52] <Barrett> I don't know[03:25:10] <AlienSoldier> because ears can't may perfect judge[03:25:15] <AlienSoldier> *make[03:27:21] <AlienSoldier> Barrett you may be able to test it from your side if your CD in MP skip. For me it is noticable in song where a note is sustaned for some secondes.[03:28:58] <AlienSoldier> Barrett very similar to how the sound sounded before the libmedia fix that occured when i was moving windows around[03:30:51] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df54:60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:30:52] <Barrett> I might send you a test lib in the next days[03:31:03] <AlienSoldier> Barrett, btw what is "mediaclient"[03:31:52] <AlienSoldier> Barrett also, the OS update i did today did not change any crash behavior, it does as always :)[03:32:58] <Barrett> it's my hopinion that most of the problems are due to BMediaEventLooper defects[03:33:14] <Barrett> and in any case it's a mess right now[03:33:37] <Barrett> BMediaClient is a new API designed to deprecate the media nodes[03:33:58] <Barrett> it's actually using the media_kit behind but in a polished way[03:34:24] <AlienSoldier> but can we still program custom node in some way?[03:34:36] <AlienSoldier> or is it just a name change[03:34:46] <Barrett> yes but after the API is finalized it will be stupid to do that[03:34:53] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #haiku[03:35:25] <AlienSoldier> Barrett i mention that because those node where interesting to do non-audio signal processing[03:35:37] <AlienSoldier> motor control and such[03:35:44] <Barrett> who talked about audio?[03:36:09] <AlienSoldier> as long as it stay general purpose i am happy[03:37:42] <Barrett> anything about media nodes is a buzzword try to use them in a non trivial application and it will end up a mess[03:38:53] *** mounty <mounty!~mounty@c110-23-125-201.rochd7.qld.optusnet.com.au> has joined #haiku[03:39:55] <AlienSoldier> i would be currious to read a little white paper on the subject. That area of the OS was one of my needed stuff when Be went belly of and i put projects on the back burner[03:40:08] <AlienSoldier> *belly up[03:40:45] <Barrett> there will be a preliminary paper[03:40:49] <Barrett> and a final announcement[03:40:57] <AlienSoldier> good enough for me[03:41:16] <AlienSoldier> but that does not change that i am curious :P[03:41:58] <AlienSoldier> before xmas? (not the implementation, the preliminary paper)[03:42:41] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:44:52] <Barrett> if all goes right yes[03:46:10] <Barrett> anyway, the final aim would be to replace every node in the tree to use the new API[03:47:12] <Barrett> but that would take months of work that I don't have[03:47:30] <Barrett> volounteer sparse work I mean[03:47:45] <Barrett> see later, time to snooze[03:47:51] <AlienSoldier> bye[03:49:18] <Barrett> there are various interesting things in the plan, but any thing at it's time[03:49:27] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Quit: Barrett)[03:51:04] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[03:53:38] <Vidrep> I "think" BeOS was playing the CD - unsupported audio card :([03:54:22] <Vidrep> Have a good night guys[03:54:45] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[04:01:59] *** Chloe <Chloe!~Chloe@unaffiliated/chloe> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Air has gone to sleep. 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(:[08:58:09] <IIsiHaiku> Deeper problems.[08:59:03] <humdinger> too deep for me...[08:59:12] <IIsiHaiku> While I look at that 4414 link, would you mind looking at https://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/does_haiku_have_maths_so_library and telling me if the suggested prefixes seem outdated?[09:00:32] <geist> huh actually i wonder why my mac mini builders arne't configured the same way[09:00:32] <humdinger> I think the -lm will be found now, where it wasn't before[09:00:38] <geist> seems only one of them tries to build a nightlight[09:00:49] <geist> nighly even[09:01:10] <PulkoMandy> IIsiHaiku: ports.haiku-files.org should be taken offline now. Use the infos at http://github.com/haikuports now (there is a new wiki there, with up to date info)[09:01:24] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[09:02:49] <IIsiHaiku> Thanks. I only ended up on that page because googling {haiku os math library} lead me to a post that linked there.[09:04:11] <IIsiHaiku> humdinger, that large negative number to me looks suspect. I have no concrete idea, though.[09:04:41] <humdinger> thanks IIsiHaiku. me neither...[09:05:28] <IIsiHaiku> I mean, it says "buffer" right in the line and I want to say "buffer overflow" but I don't really know what I'm talking about.[09:08:36] <PulkoMandy> could be a truncated file because of failed download[09:08:59] <PulkoMandy> [x86_gcc2] ~# error -2147459056[09:08:59] <PulkoMandy> 0x80006010: Data read partially[09:09:14] <PulkoMandy> so that's a B_PARTIAL_READ, which is not supposed to happen with these classes[09:11:07] *** Sri_Designer <Sri_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has joined #haiku[09:12:05] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[09:17:59] *** cebulon <cebulon!~vision@pD957B092.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[09:24:48] <IIsiHaiku> Well, having modified libsigsegv's build system enough to compile, pass its own tests, and install (in a non-packaged fashion),[09:24:54] <IIsiHaiku> think I'll tuck into bed.[09:25:34] <humdinger> counting sigsegs until you fall asleep...[09:25:39] <IIsiHaiku> hehe[09:26:21] <IIsiHaiku> But they're all the same as sigbus![09:27:04] <IIsiHaiku> I mean, they shouldn't be, but Be couldn't be bothered to differentiate them, so...[09:27:39] <humdinger> I have no idea what you're on about... :)[09:27:58] <humdinger> out-nerded again...[09:29:17] <IIsiHaiku> I only found this out tonight.[09:30:17] <IIsiHaiku> Sigbus is s'posed to mean bus error, while sigsegv is an attempt to access forbidden or otherwise unavailable memory, IIUC.[09:31:02] <humdinger> aha[09:31:53] <IIsiHaiku> On your other hand, you have a Clipdinger while I was merely triaging browser crashes by copy-pasting URLs into StyledEdit before killing the frozen browser.[09:33:21] <humdinger> yep: I do that quite often too. where I used to paste stuff into an editor, I now just copy and rely on Clipdinger's history. :)[09:33:21] <IIsiHaiku> I should have just used ClipDinger, instead of copy->paste->enter-enter->relaunch-browser->select->copy->paste.[09:34:27] <humdinger> I wonder if it's at all useful to be able to select more than one history and paste all selected.[09:35:07] <IIsiHaiku> Potentially.[09:35:37] <humdinger> I'll keep at the back of the mind.[09:36:57] <IIsiHaiku> But yeah, after libsigsegv, I feel like if I get one or two good Lisps running, I'll feel like when I fixed up a couple BeOS R5 drivers for odd hardware implementations.[09:37:13] <IIsiHaiku> Productive (:[09:38:13] <humdinger> heh. how about those more common hardware, like USB3?[09:38:19] <humdinger> wanna fix that?[09:39:06] <IIsiHaiku> I haven't coded much in ages, and don't know anything about the inside of USB-anything.[09:40:00] <humdinger> It's a bit much then to start with. :)[09:40:31] *** cebulon <cebulon!~vision@pD957B092.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[09:42:20] <IIsiHaiku> Pulko's given me pages of HaikuPorter stuff to read, so I may as well turn libsigsegv into a package, soonish. Even though it feels like a distraction from CLISP. 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Can you recommend a aspect ratio?[20:49:15] <IIsi50MHz> I can't promise not to talk about libsigsegv, Lisp, or HaikuPorter today. (:[20:49:38] <humdinger> Vidrep: hmm. crop them to the important part?[20:49:55] <IIsi50MHz> But at the moment, maths.[20:50:35] <humdinger> the ratio doesn't really matter, does it?[20:50:40] <Vidrep> Original size is 3072x2304 which is too large to view without scrolling the page in a browser[20:51:12] <humdinger> oh, just resize by 50% or 66% I guess[20:51:23] <Vidrep> Would 1024x768 work better?[20:51:57] <humdinger> or that. just see if it's still readable.[20:52:18] <humdinger> if you use wonderbrush, use "Resample"[20:52:41] <Vidrep> Ok[20:53:19] <Vidrep> GCI is starting on Monday, right?[20:53:27] <humdinger> yes[20:54:14] <Vidrep> Hopefully the students and Haiku will both benefit[20:54:45] <Vidrep> Do we have any repeat students this year?[20:54:59] <humdinger> I'm sure of it. (the benefit)[20:55:19] <humdinger> dunno about the student. we'll have to wait and see who turns up[20:56:20] <Vidrep> Humdinger, what kind of music do you listen to?[20:56:59] <humdinger> not much really...[20:57:06] <humdinger> nothing too new in any case.[20:57:33] <humdinger> Iron Maiden, Prodigy, classical film score....[20:57:37] <Vidrep> "New" is relative.[20:58:32] <humdinger> rediscovered Fairport Convention.[20:58:41] <humdinger> old Tull...[20:59:20] <Vidrep> I remember you made a comment a few days ago about someones musical taste (Miqlas?)[20:59:39] <humdinger> yeah. his is not mine :)[21:00:03] <miqlas> are you sure? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m07152NHFhA[21:01:48] <humdinger> cool demo[21:02:05] <Vidrep> I mostly like stuff done between 1965 - 1975 in most genre (Blues, Jazz, Rock)[21:03:04] <miqlas> I pretty like future garage, idm, ambient, glitch and so on.[21:03:20] <miqlas> but progressive rock like it too[21:03:48] <humdinger> see, and it all begins with the terminology... I can understand Vidrep, but not what you wrote. :)[21:04:13] <humdinger> just not that into music...[21:05:17] <miqlas> Long story shrt: something liek this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2kEzVpOmeQ[21:06:08] <humdinger> yes, I stand by my comment: yeah. his is not mine :)[21:08:25] <miqlas> music is overrated.[21:08:49] <humdinger> not by me[21:15:49] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[21:20:29] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@2.68.143.166.mobile.tre.se> has joined #haiku[21:20:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[21:24:15] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@dslb-084-057-156-024.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[21:26:09] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-46-76-17-119.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:26:36] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@dslb-084-057-156-024.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[21:29:21] <miqlas> cannot update libmodplug and libpng from HaikuPorter, it just want to remove the ffmpeg package :([21:33:47] <miqlas> i have yet 53 packages what contains la files.[21:43:32] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-46-76-17-119.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #haiku[21:50:46] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has quit IRC (Quit: Life beckons.)[21:52:30] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85a603.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[21:55:23] *** HaikuUser is now known as Dane_[22:04:15] *** fujisan <fujisan!~fujisan@unaffiliated/fujisan> has joined #haiku[22:04:18] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-46-76-17-119.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:04:50] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-46-76-17-119.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #haiku[22:05:04] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[22:18:47] *** Saiz <Saiz!~Saiz@p20030006011C2659399BE489499F8941.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[22:20:09] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@p1955030-ipngn16701marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp> has joined #haiku[22:21:16] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@p1955030-ipngn16701marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp> has joined #haiku[22:21:17] *** HaikuUser3 <HaikuUser3!~vision@p1955030-ipngn16701marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp> has joined #haiku[22:21:37] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@p1955030-ipngn16701marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:21:37] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@p1955030-ipngn16701marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:21:37] *** HaikuUser3 <HaikuUser3!~vision@p1955030-ipngn16701marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:21:38] *** Dane_ is now known as HaikuUser[22:39:13] *** Dane__ <Dane__!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[22:56:34] *** Saiz <Saiz!~Saiz@p20030006011C2659399BE489499F8941.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving...)[23:00:29] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[23:07:43] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #haiku[23:17:56] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:18:25] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:37:51] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[23:39:33] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[23:40:40] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has joined #haiku[23:42:11] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@2.68.143.166.mobile.tre.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Lämnar)[23:48:01] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:50:17] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[23:50:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[23:56:45] *** zephjc <zephjc!~Adium@2607:fcc8:bdcf:e900:41b:5930:2fbe:bbca> has joined #haiku