November 23, 2016 
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November 23, 2016 [00:02:18] <AlienSoldier> Barrett[00:02:59] *** Barrett_ <Barrett_!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[00:02:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett_[00:03:02] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db34c4d.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[00:03:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[00:03:11] *** xemdetia <xemdetia!xemdetia@nat/ibm/x-zpibvcxvrgxcoxvk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[00:03:39] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[00:07:42] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db34c4d.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[00:11:13] *** Wellenbrett <Wellenbrett!~Thunderbi@p20030072CF709400A16A47EC26334BAA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[00:14:01] *** Wellenbrett <Wellenbrett!~Thunderbi@p20030072CF709400A16A47EC26334BAA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:16:32] *** postmen <postmen!~tonio@p5B150D52.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:23:41] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@ool-18ba0276.dyn.optonline.net> has joined #haiku[00:25:16] *** shaka <shaka!~vision@ool-18ba0276.dyn.optonline.net> has joined #haiku[00:25:20] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@ool-18ba0276.dyn.optonline.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:28:12] <shaka> Anyone know why there hasn't been an update to the nightlies since the 18th?[00:28:43] <AlienSoldier> i heard there was a problem with the build server or something[00:29:25] <shaka> Thanks AlienSoldier I was hoping it was in prep for a beta :-)[00:30:07] <AlienSoldier> they sure missed a feature freeze opportunity, there was very few commit latetly[00:31:04] <AlienSoldier> i am starting to think i will boot a brand new Amiga before i run a haiku R1, something i was not expecting[00:31:44] <shaka> Is there really a new Amiga?[00:32:37] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[00:33:05] <AlienSoldier> shaka may be Vampire based one in 2017[00:33:22] <shaka> afaik amiga is still around.. but I coudn't get into it last time I looked at it a few years back[00:33:52] <AlienSoldier> shaka PPC one of 68K?[00:33:57] <AlienSoldier> *or[00:34:31] <AlienSoldier> i wonder if axeld will get one :)[00:34:32] <shaka> ppc run in an emulator[00:34:44] <AlienSoldier> for me ppc stuff is not amiga[00:34:53] <AlienSoldier> the new one is 68K[00:35:01] <Barrett_> AlienSoldier, do you get the same crash as the debug report?[00:35:26] <AlienSoldier> Barrett_ the one in my ticket? yes[00:35:46] <AlienSoldier> get this all the time[00:35:48] <Barrett_> remind me does happen randomly or can be reproduced?[00:35:58] <Vidrep> Hi[00:37:03] <AlienSoldier> Barrett_ last one happened at the exact moment i clicked something in the QT browser, might be totally a luck. It seem arbitrary but it may happen when the system is under more stress perhaps.[00:37:38] <Vidrep> Hi Barret, AlienSoldier[00:37:40] <AlienSoldier> Barrett_ i can make to occurence more probable when toying with youtube in web+[00:37:44] <AlienSoldier> Hi Vidrep[00:37:51] <Barrett_> AlienSoldier, like opening pages?[00:38:32] <AlienSoldier> Barrett_ in youtube when there is a possibility of showing a video (simple video list may not cause it as much)[00:38:32] <Vidrep> AlienSoldier, are you still having media_add-on_server problems?[00:38:37] <AlienSoldier> Vidrep yes[00:38:48] <AlienSoldier> at least on the rev i have[00:38:53] <Vidrep> I'll stay out of that discussion...[00:41:19] <AlienSoldier> Barrett_ server is currenly on, i will try to cause it to crash now[00:47:50] <Vidrep> Is jessicah, kallisti5 or PulkoMandy available? Re: Haiku and GPT[00:48:04] <jessicah> I'm here[00:48:19] <Vidrep> Wow, that was fast[00:48:58] <jessicah> :p[00:49:03] <AlienSoldier> Barrett_ can't seem to cause it right now[00:49:04] *** stargate1 <stargate1!~stargater@x4db9c2b9.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[00:49:13] <Vidrep> I've been doing a lot of drive wiping, partitioning, installing etc over the past couple of days[00:50:11] <Vidrep> I have noted a possible problem with trying to boot multiple Haiku partitions[00:50:47] *** shaka <shaka!~vision@ool-18ba0276.dyn.optonline.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[00:51:18] <jessicah> oh?[00:51:45] <Vidrep> Currently, I have a 3TB disk, PC BIOS in legacy boot, multiple GPT partitions with Haiku[00:51:55] <jessicah> I believe the mbr code with gpt can only boot the first gpt partition with haiku uuid[00:52:26] <Vidrep> I have all my partitions booting[00:52:52] <AlienSoldier> and here goes Web+ crashing[00:52:56] <jessicah> you'd have to use the haiku loader to choose another partition to boot[00:53:32] <jessicah> anyway, go on :)[00:53:41] <Vidrep> The issue (if that's what it is), is that x86_gcc2 book disk cannot boot the first partition, but the x86_64 boot disk can[00:54:52] <jessicah> are they both the same hrev?[00:54:59] <Vidrep> It's really hard to explain :( I'm thinking of creating a ticket with photos and screenshots.[00:55:00] <jessicah> the uefi merge broke booting older hrevs[00:55:11] <AlienSoldier> Barrett_ in other word, no i can't easilly reproduce it it seem, it sure happen often in a day that said.[00:55:19] <Vidrep> Both are hrev50701 (x86_gcc2 and x86_64)[00:55:36] <Vidrep> I saw this with 50700 and 50657 as well[00:55:46] <jessicah> hmm, ok[00:57:58] <AlienSoldier> Barrett_ in the report i see (BTimeSource::RealTimeFor(int64, int64)), we can have int64 in a 32bit build?[00:58:27] <Vidrep> There is a definite difference i there is a single partition or more than one as well[00:59:44] <Vidrep> Jessiacah, I'll create the ticket with a step by step of what I see happening.[00:59:48] <Vidrep> jessicah[01:00:53] <jessicah> AlienSoldier: yes, 32-bit builds have int64 types[01:01:32] <Vidrep> If I boot the Live CD and open a terminal to writembr, it does not see the raw disk, only the CD[01:02:02] <jessicah> that's a weird issue to have[01:02:43] <Vidrep> I've been able to replicate the behaviour consistently over the course of multiple installs[01:03:04] *** XeonSquared <XeonSquared!~ShadowKat@210-1-213-55-cpe.spintel.net.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[01:05:06] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy has this ticket: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13076[01:06:33] <Vidrep> Maybe I misunderstood, but is he saying that BootManager cannot boot more than one partition on his HDD?[01:08:11] <jessicah> bootmanager is a separate implementation[01:08:26] <Barrett_> AlienSoldier, do you use oss[01:08:26] <jessicah> and I believe isn't gpt aware either[01:08:50] *** XeonSquared <XeonSquared!~ShadowKat@210.1.213.55> has joined #haiku[01:09:59] <Vidrep> Like I said, I currently have x86_gcc2 and x86_64 on this drive, and I am able to boot either one using the bootmenu created by BootManager[01:11:49] <AlienSoldier> Barrett_ no, native sblive driver[01:13:25] <Vidrep> The issue I had was that it would only work when I ran BootManager from x86_64.[01:15:42] <Barrett_> AlienSoldier, I'd really need some detailed debugging[01:16:03] <Barrett_> but I can send you a modified libmedia to see if the problem is what I think[01:17:08] <AlienSoldier> Barrett_ we can do that testing again :)[01:17:27] <Barrett_> as always no assurance it will work[01:19:07] <jessicah> Vidrep: I have no experience with bootman, so probably the issue is with bootman[01:19:17] <Vidrep> jessicah, is the code the same on x86_gcc2 as on x86_64? (boot code, BootManager, writembr, etc)[01:19:52] <jessicah> bootman is like a simple grub[01:20:53] <jessicah> there's no code shared between mbr & bootman[01:21:05] <Vidrep> jessicah, I don't even know why it's being called "bootman" now since the name was changed to "BootManager" at some point.[01:21:11] <jessicah> bootman is a replacement for the mbr code written by writembr[01:21:21] <Kuroe> written by writembr?[01:21:24] <Kuroe> lolwut[01:21:25] <jessicah> eh, historical[01:21:52] <jessicah> you either have the standard haiku mbr boot code, or you have the bootman boot code[01:22:05] <jessicah> the bootman boot code isn't gpt aware as far as I know[01:23:37] <Vidrep> I'll create the ticket with photos and screenshots, and (hopefully) a concise explanation of what does/does not appear to work[01:24:23] <Vidrep> It all does work, but not in a very simple way. Some workarounds are required.[01:24:51] <Vidrep> jessicah, thanks for the feedback![01:26:04] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[01:30:08] <Barrett_> AlienSoldier, http://www.filedropper.com/libmedia[01:36:02] <Barrett_> there are both versions gcc2 and gcc4 as you are using hybrid applications[01:36:08] <Barrett_> so you need both[01:39:38] <Vidrep> Barrett, I haven't done much media testing these past few days. I have only seen media_server crashes, not any media_add-on_server issues.[01:40:48] <Vidrep> The media_server crashes happen regularly when palying any YouTube content.[01:40:57] <Vidrep> playing'[01:41:24] <AlienSoldier> Barrett_ got it, by the way that site does not work well in web+, needed to use the QT browser[01:43:53] <AlienSoldier> Barrett_ it was /boot/system/non-packaged/lib right?[01:43:59] <Vidrep> I've got a big hard drive to wipe and lots of pictures to take. See you tomorrow.[01:44:12] <Vidrep> Thanks again jessicah[01:44:27] <Barrett_> Vidrep, crashes like that https://dev.haiku-os.org/attachment/ticket/13079/media_server-2783-debug-15-11-2016-19-07-23.report ?[01:46:06] <Vidrep> Yes, same crash all the time[01:46:22] <Barrett_> you are on an old rev[01:47:18] <AlienSoldier> Barrett_ both have same file name, not sure where to put them (the other time there was only one)[01:48:02] <Vidrep> Barrett, I'll try a new hrev and post if there are any more crashes[01:48:06] <Barrett_> same as the package hierarchy[01:48:15] <Barrett_> packaged[01:49:17] <Vidrep> First, I want to document this GPT, mbr, BootManager thing[01:49:39] <Vidrep> gn[01:49:43] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[01:51:33] <AlienSoldier> Barrett_ ok i will renoot with those[01:51:38] <AlienSoldier> *reboot[01:51:41] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[01:54:35] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has joined #haiku[01:57:08] <AlienSoldier> Barrett_ ok, now in /boot/system/non-packaged/lib/libmedia/gcc2/libmedia.so and /boot/system/non-packaged/lib/libmedia/gcc4/libmedia.so[01:57:55] <AlienSoldier> Barrett_ so far i have sound and no sound issue (like it was resolved earlier)[01:58:42] <AlienSoldier> Barrett_ what was the intuition this time? the need to two different lib?[01:59:08] <AlienSoldier> i will report in a few day (or as soon as it happen) if any crash come up[02:01:57] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-77-113-33-240.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[02:12:01] *** ValeT <ValeT!47f1fdc2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.71.241.253.194> has joined #haiku[02:13:29] *** ValeT <ValeT!47f1fdc2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.71.241.253.194> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[02:14:15] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-46-76-17-119.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #haiku[02:31:12] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has quit IRC (Quit: off for the night)[02:35:42] <Barrett_> AlienSoldier, what does mean no sound issue[02:37:50] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[02:38:52] <AlienSoldier> Barrett_ just to tell that the previous problem with that lib did not come back with that new one (so no regression so far)[02:39:34] <AlienSoldier> Barrett_ still have typical youtube webpositive crash only so far.[02:39:59] <AlienSoldier> about 3 after heavy use[02:40:23] <Barrett_> the web+ crash i have seen is something related to the network kit[02:40:56] <Barrett_> and/or the http glue code of the http_streamer[02:41:36] <AlienSoldier> i guess we have most of the same crash in web+ so far[02:42:18] <AlienSoldier> Barrett_ ever noticed particular problem when a youtube video have a very small ad?[02:43:04] <AlienSoldier> it seem to have trouble "linking" to the next video when one is very short[02:43:59] <Barrett_> I didn't test it much[02:45:33] <AlienSoldier> Barrett_ i am wondering if this is related to mediaplayer progress bar not filling completelly when i play short wav files.[02:45:47] <AlienSoldier> but i might be completely off :)[02:52:02] <AlienSoldier> Barrett_ one thing i did today was to delete a bazzilion cookie from the QT browser, i guess this will remove a bit of the normal system stress (perhaps this is why i was not able to reproduce the bug so far with the add-on).[02:56:21] *** Kuroe <Kuroe!~Chloe@unaffiliated/chloe> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[03:03:53] <Barrett_> AlienSoldier, the mediafile and codecs api needs some work to be reliable[03:04:29] <Barrett_> not something I'm interested right now[03:05:59] 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http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2/builds/3197[05:43:15] *** XeonSquared <XeonSquared!~ShadowKat@210-1-213-55-cpe.spintel.net.au> has joined #haiku[05:53:32] *** IIsiHaiku <IIsiHaiku!~2si@107.188.207.190> has joined #haiku[05:55:36] <IIsiHaiku> Well, here's an unexpected and interesting way to trigger an OS update from Haiku Depot:[05:56:03] <IIsiHaiku> With latest repos already added, uninstall Sum-It, then try to reinstall.[05:56:56] <IIsiHaiku> Haiku Deput offers to remove four of the active hrev's packages and replace them with latest.[05:57:51] <IIsiHaiku> Seems risky. ^_^;;[05:59:08] <IIsiHaiku> Maybe after exams I'll "make a backup" using Installer, then have a go.[06:17:30] *** ValeT <ValeT!47f1fdc2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.71.241.253.194> has joined #haiku[06:18:39] *** ValeT <ValeT!47f1fdc2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.71.241.253.194> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[06:19:51] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[06:29:24] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has joined #haiku[06:34:29] <AlienSoldier> The OS is still very dumb when it come to hitting memory limit[06:36:11] <AlienSoldier> an app should hang or crash if it need more memory, not the whole OS[06:36:31] <IIsiHaiku> *nod*[06:36:35] <AlienSoldier> R5 was also very poor in that regard[07:14:22] <PulkoMandy> AlienSoldier: that is what happens. Problems still there if the app requesting lots of ram is app_server[07:14:53] <PulkoMandy> from my experience, most of the freezes with WebKit are not running out of RAM, but running out of messaging ports, which have a system wide limit of 4096 ports currently[07:15:12] <PulkoMandy> and also there, the app crashes, but then debugger tries to start, and that needs ports too[07:15:27] <PulkoMandy> and usually the app_server ends up crashing too because it allocates some ports as well[07:21:41] <AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy in my last memory bust the memory indicator where full and mainly web+ was running, so perhaps it have to do with the appserver integration to display faster.[07:22:04] <PulkoMandy> that should use less memory, as it saves creating a bunch of bitmaps on the app side[07:22:21] <AlienSoldier> but what if a leak is in there[07:22:30] <PulkoMandy> if you have a list of websites where this happens I can have a look (I think I have some already)[07:23:07] <AlienSoldier> a site i use is pushed data but only under a password so i sadly give that.[07:23:21] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-156-024.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[07:25:06] <AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy it use lighstreamer as a back end, so "perhaps" the demo on the site would also do that, on the site i use it seem to have 100x the amount of data that said http://www.lightstreamer.com/[07:25:33] * IIsiHaiku vaguely recalls a Macintosh System 7 defensive programming practice: make sure that one of the first thing your application does is allocate just enough extra memory so that if all other memory is filled, there's something you can use to display a nice message, cleanup, and exit cleanly[07:25:45] <IIsiHaiku> Wow, that was much shorter in my head >.>[07:26:23] <IIsiHaiku> So, should app_server reserve some ports to itself, and maybe for the debugger, too?[07:28:40] *** beatdown <beatdown!beatdown@violator.strangled.net> has joined #haiku[07:29:00] <IIsiHaiku> Possibly something I won't think of again until after exams. x-:[07:29:38] <AlienSoldier> something like that. It is quite mindboggling that such a simple thing is not in from the early stage of the OS and kept as a prime directive. But at the same time, most OS time still drift :P[07:30:30] <AlienSoldier> i guess the "memory is cheap" mentality seeped in at one point[07:31:40] * IIsiHaiku turns beatdown into a BeApplication, gets: BeAtDown, which either a meditation tool for your downtime, or a betting application for horse and dog races[07:32:40] <IIsiHaiku> I've been trying to think of a naming scheme for Haiku third-party software akin to BeFoo and MacFoo, but haven't got anywhere.[07:34:17] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d854589.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[07:34:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[07:34:30] * IIsiHaiku clipdings ^_^[07:35:26] <AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy at the memorybust, there was also the QT browser opened, but that one only have google finance opened and it does not seem to feed that much autorefresh data.[07:36:05] <IIsiHaiku> I rediscovered my incarnation of BYOLisp from May, on a USB stick I'd forgotten the purpose of.[07:36:40] <IIsiHaiku> Now I'm looking through the list of installed packages on that stick, and adding most of them to my recent install.[07:38:41] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-156-024.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:39:25] <IIsiHaiku> BePodder. Does that even work anymore?[07:39:33] <AlienSoldier> i never knew Philips made VGA card, now i own one :)[07:39:40] * IIsiHaiku tries[07:39:58] <IIsiHaiku> Hmm, empty lists.[07:39:59] <AlienSoldier> i used it a lot in my R5 days[07:40:19] <IIsiHaiku> I see it was made freeware in 2009.[07:40:21] <AlienSoldier> but i can get most podcast in html now[07:41:01] <AlienSoldier> it was nice to manage a large amount of podcast, now i have very few time to listen to those[07:41:26] <AlienSoldier> in the last ime i remember usually putting them at 300%[07:41:42] <AlienSoldier> *time[07:41:54] <IIsiHaiku> When I saw the name in /system/packages tonight, at first I thought it might be for managing iPods. (-:[07:42:26] *** Lord_of_Codes <Lord_of_Codes!~Lord_of_C@122.163.244.145> has joined #haiku[07:42:28] <AlienSoldier> many at one point tought podcast where ipod only compatible[07:43:57] <AlienSoldier> before youtube there was some "tv" internet video i was only able to get with that app also[07:44:37] * IIsiHaiku wishes that was a real lord of codes, to magically whisk some blocking bugs out of the way with a few melodramatic'ly keystrokes lines of code[07:45:05] <IIsiHaiku> keystroked*[07:47:59] <IIsiHaiku> Well, g'night folks.[07:51:53] <AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy Web+ seem to consume 2.4M/hour, QT browser don't buldge.[07:52:40] <AlienSoldier> not with the same sites that said[07:54:36] <AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy yep, lightstreamer also make the QT browser eat ram like no tomorrow[07:57:18] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[07:58:00] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@ip-178-202-195-72.hsi09.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #haiku[07:59:07] *** r4 <r4!~r4]@staticline-31-183-70-56.toya.net.pl> has joined #haiku[08:01:01] <AlienSoldier> goodnight[08:01:08] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[08:05:57] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4e347606.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[08:05:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[08:10:28] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4e347606.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[08:18:55] *** ValeT <ValeT!47f1fdc2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.71.241.253.194> has joined #haiku[08:20:18] *** ValeT <ValeT!47f1fdc2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.71.241.253.194> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[08:27:06] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #haiku[08:50:37] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@ip-178-202-195-72.hsi09.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[08:54:12] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-089-166-206-199.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has joined #haiku[08:54:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[08:56:45] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has quit IRC (Quit: Life beckons.)[09:01:25] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[09:09:57] *** scottmc <scottmc!~scottmc@c-67-174-194-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[09:20:12] *** ValeT <ValeT!47f1fdc2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.71.241.253.194> has joined #haiku[09:21:23] *** ValeT <ValeT!47f1fdc2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.71.241.253.194> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[09:25:04] *** knarf <knarf!~knarf@89-159-149-97.rev.numericable.fr> has joined #haiku[09:30:01] *** geoid <geoid!~geoid@196-215-14-179.dynamic.isadsl.co.za> has quit IRC (Quit: Lingo: www.lingoirc.com)[09:36:33] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #haiku[09:47:46] *** geoid <geoid!~geoid@196-215-14-179.dynamic.isadsl.co.za> has joined #haiku[09:53:31] <humdinger> hi! If my app is quit, its QuitRequested() is run. In that I check if my window still lives and do a fMainWindow->Quit();[09:53:47] <humdinger> but that only runs the windows destructor.[09:53:59] <humdinger> not its QuitRequested()[09:54:11] <humdinger> where I save settings etc.[09:54:42] <humdinger> Workks if a user chooses "Quit" in the window, but not if "Quit" from its deskbar entry.[09:55:35] <humdinger> How do I get the Window's QuitRequested() running? I tried sending a message B_QUIT_REQUESTED to it, but that doesn't work either...[10:04:01] <jessicah> you probably don't need to call Quit on the window[10:05:37] *** korli <korli!c299d9e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.153.217.230> has joined #haiku[10:05:46] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@wlan-233-76.staff.uni-wuppertal.de> has joined #haiku[10:07:49] <humdinger> jessicah: But even if I don't, the Window's QuitRequested() isn't run.[10:08:16] <jessicah> hmm[10:09:27] <korli> @humdinger https://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/BApplication.html#BApplication_QuitRequested that should be the default behaviour when BApplication::QuitRequested() isn't overridden[10:09:38] <korli> hi jessicah[10:10:47] <jessicah> hi korli[10:12:00] <humdinger> korli: Thanks a lot! That did it![10:12:40] <humdinger> I used to create and destroy windows and had to jump thru a few hoops on quit, to check if the window actually was still there.[10:13:19] <korli> bbl[10:13:19] <humdinger> I now changed that and only Hide() the windows, so I can scrap all that. 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I did that already, just wated to make sure...[16:52:45] <humdinger> I have the weirdest thing: My replicant is supposed to launch its main app if it's not running and activate it once it's running.[16:52:53] <humdinger> If the replicant is in a test shelf it works.[16:53:02] <humdinger> if it's in Tracker, it crashes Tracker.[16:53:35] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has joined #haiku[16:53:38] <humdinger> right here: https://github.com/humdingerb/clipdinger/blob/master/ReplView.cpp#L236[16:54:07] <humdinger> with this report: http://sprunge.us/UUbC[17:01:23] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df54:60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[17:03:06] <humdinger> the team_id is valid. See it in Debugger...[17:04:31] *** Muzer <Muzer!~muzer@cpc96772-rdng27-2-0-cust294.15-3.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:15:32] <humdinger> hmm, not supplying the "error" parameter fixes things.[17:15:49] <jessicah> shouldn't you use status_t error; and pass &error in function call?[17:15:50] <humdinger> Wonder why it worked when run in the test shelf...[17:16:38] <jessicah> else it's just an uninitialised pointer[17:17:12] <humdinger> duh. you're most probably right. :)[17:19:24] <humdinger> yep. that was. these kind of stupid mistakes keep me busy for much longer than I care for...[17:19:45] *** fujisan <fujisan!uid4207@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ljwuepbudrhjjpop> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[17:19:59] *** Muzer <Muzer!~muzer@cpc96772-rdng27-2-0-cust294.15-3.cable.virginm.net> has joined #haiku[17:20:29] <jessicah> it's dumb luck things sometimes work when dealing with pointers and using incorrectly :p[17:20:40] <jessicah> not at all helpful[17:21:40] <humdinger> Debugger is pretty cool though.[17:22:36] <jessicah> (:[17:24:26] <humdinger> I wanted to write a small piece about debugging a replicant. think that's a blog, article, or forum post?[17:24:35] <humdinger> it's not in-depth enough for an article IO.[17:25:02] <humdinger> those are a bit hidden anyway. With the new forums, I feel like it's most easily found there...[17:27:19] <jessicah> hmm, seems like a blog post[17:27:40] <jessicah> I've not played with forums much yet[17:28:26] <humdinger> hmm there seems to be a (new?) forum "Blog".[17:33:01] <humdinger> One last try:[17:33:03] <humdinger> Anyone wants to provide some catkeys for Clipdinger's next release (or other apps): https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/catkeys-translators-needed-for-3rd-party-apps/4094[17:33:04] <humdinger> The Russian only need a few strings updated.[17:34:51] <humdinger> I consider adding Google-translated catkeys to annoy the natives into providing them. :)[17:36:13] *** ValeT <ValeT!47f1fdc2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.71.241.253.194> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[17:40:38] *** artgur <artgur!~arturgurg@allx.static.korbank.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal)[17:51:45] *** Cenbe_ <Cenbe_!~cenbe@cpe-184-58-196-239.wi.res.rr.com> has joined #haiku[17:51:48] *** Cenbe_ is now known as Omerie[17:51:53] *** Omerie <Omerie!~cenbe@cpe-184-58-196-239.wi.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[18:15:33] <humdinger> I went with a simple forum post: https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/debugging-a-replicant/4410[18:24:47] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4e347606.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[18:24:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[18:24:59] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@pool-173-67-196-120.clppva.fios.verizon.net> has joined #haiku[18:25:14] * humdinger is idle: dinner[18:25:14] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@pool-173-67-196-120.clppva.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[18:29:18] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4e347606.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[18:39:24] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-156-024.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[18:42:07] *** qeos <qeos!~kvirc@37.204.66.192> has joined #haiku[18:47:15] *** Lord_of_Codes <Lord_of_Codes!~Lord_of_C@122.163.244.145> has joined #haiku[19:04:13] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[19:06:41] * humdinger has returned[19:06:51] *** ValeT <ValeT!47f1fdc2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.71.241.253.194> has joined #haiku[19:18:57] <mmu_man> plop[19:19:04] <mmu_man> hey ValeT ;)[19:20:15] *** Klima <Klima!~Klima@static-78-8-176-191.ssp.dialog.net.pl> has joined #haiku[19:21:42] <AlienSoldier> Barrett[19:22:52] <ValeT> hey mum_man[19:22:55] <ValeT> how's it going[19:24:53] <mmu_man> busy busy creating GCI tasks :p[19:24:55] <mmu_man> bbl[19:26:42] <ValeT> :D[19:30:25] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[19:30:55] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d854589.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[19:33:25] <Barrett> AlienSoldier,[19:36:29] <AlienSoldier> Barrett i got the firt media add-on crash since the new lib added[19:36:59] <Barrett> AlienSoldier, same crash?[19:37:33] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@55d45b80.access.ecotel.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[19:38:07] <AlienSoldier> Barrett look like it, MP was playing when that happened and stopped right away. What seemed to have triggered it was loading an heavy webpage in web+[19:38:51] <Barrett> weird[19:39:08] <AlienSoldier> Frame IP Function Name[19:39:09] <AlienSoldier> -----------------------------------------------[19:39:10] <AlienSoldier> 0x714ff838 0x16329e8 atomic_or + 0x8[19:39:10] <AlienSoldier> Disassembly:[19:39:11] <AlienSoldier> atomic_or:[19:39:11] <AlienSoldier> 0x016329e0: 8b542404 mov 0x4(%esp), %edx[19:39:12] <AlienSoldier> 0x016329e4: 8b4c2408 mov 0x8(%esp), %ecx[19:39:13] <AlienSoldier> 0x016329e8: 8b02 mov (%edx), %eax <--[19:39:55] <Barrett> AlienSoldier, is there some firewire on that machine?[19:40:20] <Barrett> anyhow the problem seems related to the driver[19:41:14] <AlienSoldier> Barrett no firewire[19:43:14] <AlienSoldier> Barrett but the same soundcard was used fine before for more than a year[19:44:08] <Barrett> AlienSoldier, this is an old problem[19:45:45] <AlienSoldier> it really look like the OS grew without good component testing and now there is an elepnaht in the room[19:46:20] <Barrett> the main problem of the media_kit is that it's built upon a butterfly effect[19:46:23] <AlienSoldier> as big as my misspeling skills[19:47:33] <Barrett> I'd like to reproduce it[19:48:04] <AlienSoldier> come here, i have a room for you :P[19:51:10] <Barrett> what happens is that the area disappears automagically[19:51:22] <Barrett> now I have some ideas on what could do that[19:51:29] <Barrett> but digging in the media_kit is painful[19:51:39] <AlienSoldier> Barrett how resilient to hardware stress is that section[19:51:49] <Barrett> in theory it shouldn't happen[19:52:34] <AlienSoldier> on that computer i really stretch the PCI bandwith because i use 1080p on a PCI video chipset (i have no AGP bus ont hat damn server)[19:52:56] <AlienSoldier> perhaps it increase the chance of the bug to show[19:53:30] <AlienSoldier> 1080p in 16 bit that said[19:56:39] <AlienSoldier> I did now follow who was the last mediakit architec, was it Marcus or was it rewrote at one point ?[20:00:57] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@2.68.87.93.mobile.tre.se> has joined #haiku[20:00:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[20:01:35] *** Lord_of_Codes <Lord_of_Codes!~Lord_of_C@122.163.244.145> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[20:04:19] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has joined #haiku[20:04:56] <AlienSoldier> time to reboot that thing[20:04:58] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[20:07:30] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has joined #haiku[20:07:34] <AlienSoldier> back[20:21:54] *** eddy_b <eddy_b!~eddyb@a83-162-209-242.adsl.xs4all.nl> has joined #haiku[20:28:15] <Barrett> AlienSoldier, I will think of something in the next days[20:28:26] <Barrett> I'm busy with another important thing[20:29:18] *** knarf <knarf!~knarf@89-159-149-97.rev.numericable.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[20:45:55] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[20:46:02] <Vidrep> Hi[20:47:53] <AlienSoldier> Barrett perfect :)[20:50:36] <Vidrep> I've just spent the past few hours documenting my Haiku GPT adventure[20:53:32] <Vidrep> Apparently only the 64 bit Haiku is GPT aware.[20:58:30] <jessicah> not true[21:02:35] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[21:02:53] <Vidrep> I cannot get a x86_gcc2 boot disk to boot any GPT partition. Only the 64 bit CD worked[21:05:28] <Vidrep> I'll put my findings out there and let you guys sort it out. I don't want to say anything more one way or the other.[21:07:10] <Vidrep> I documented what I did with 51 photos and screenshots, plus written notes each step of the way.[21:09:18] *** ValeT <ValeT!47f1fdc2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.71.241.253.194> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[21:23:22] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[21:40:43] *** eddy_b <eddy_b!~eddyb@a83-162-209-242.adsl.xs4all.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[21:55:46] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[22:05:11] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has quit IRC (Quit: 15 minutes with you / oh, I wouldn't say no... I wear black on the outside because black is how I feel on the inside... Uso negro por fuera porque negro me siento por dentro... http://youtu.be/xldmXca0kvg ...The Smiths - "Unloveable")[22:05:31] * PulkoMandy confirms GPT is working just fine with 32bit gcc2 haiku… on my machine at least[22:06:07] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has joined #haiku[22:10:17] <mmu_man> cool[22:16:04] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[22:16:45] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, what is your GPT setup (hardware, # of partitions, etc)?[22:17:23] <PulkoMandy> nothing much special, 480GB SSD, 4 partitions of which 3 are Haiku installs. Bootman doesn't work so I can boot only the first one[22:17:48] <Vidrep> That's a lot different that what I have here[22:19:04] <Vidrep> 3TB HDD, 4 Haiku partitions, and Bootmanager menu showing and able to boot all 4 of them[22:20:21] <Vidrep> This is on real hardware - no emulation here[22:20:37] <PulkoMandy> yes real hardware of course[22:21:10] <PulkoMandy> you got bootman working? interesting[22:23:01] <Vidrep> x86_gcc2 anyboot CD cannot boot any of my partitions (either it freezes at the rocket icon or KDL's). x86_64 anyboot CD cannot boot x86_gcc2 partition, but boots the x86_64 no problem.[22:23:50] <Vidrep> Once booted into 64 bit, I can writembr and install the boot menu from BootManager.[22:24:04] <Vidrep> After that, everything is peachy[22:24:37] *** Klima <Klima!~Klima@static-78-8-176-191.ssp.dialog.net.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Quiit...)[22:27:12] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, do you mind if I attach a screenshot (or two) to your BootMan ticket? ( proof :) )[22:28:21] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: I believe you. I'm more interested in the install process and why it fails for me :)[22:28:22] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has quit IRC (Quit: 15 minutes with you / oh, I wouldn't say no... I wear black on the outside because black is how I feel on the inside... Uso negro por fuera porque negro me siento por dentro... http://youtu.be/xldmXca0kvg ...The Smiths - "Unloveable")[22:28:41] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has joined #haiku[22:29:02] <PulkoMandy> mh, your problem with 32bit may be wrong handling of disks larger than 2TB then, that would explain why it works for me and on 64bit[22:29:29] <PulkoMandy> (if some place uses a "long int", it will be 32bit on 32bit builds but 64bit on 64 bit builds)[22:29:39] <PulkoMandy> a review of the GPT code for such things is due then[22:30:01] <Vidrep> Could be...I'm no expert by any means[22:31:23] <Vidrep> It took me a couple of days to figure out how to make it all work.[22:31:49] <Vidrep> Wiping a 3TB disk is not a quick process :)[22:35:24] <PulkoMandy> you shouldn't need to fully wipe it[22:35:46] <PulkoMandy> just the first and last few sectors, and even that should not be needed (if it still it, there is a bug)[22:36:27] <Vidrep> I bought that 3TB disk for just this reason - to test how Haiku works with GUID partitions[22:37:53] <IIsi50MHz> Re: freezing on rocket icon; I have a recent build that seems to do that on a Vaio B100B[22:37:55] <IIsi50MHz> but if you wait ~10 minutes it boots and uptime shows about 9 min 36 sec[22:38:28] <IIsi50MHz> Same USB works fine on two desktops. (:[22:39:55] <IIsi50MHz> All on Intel partition map, though.[22:41:15] <IIsi50MHz> For both the Rocket icoo and Disk icon, I feel like some sub-progress indicator is nice.[22:41:39] <PulkoMandy> or we should make them faster again[22:42:07] <PulkoMandy> there is a bugreport about re-evaluating the icons and trying to pivk boot phases so we spend about the same time on each[22:42:30] <PulkoMandy> but it needs profiling, and taking into account that things change a lot when serial debug is enabled[22:42:49] <IIsi50MHz> True, but these two icons seem to slow for me only in certain circumstances.[22:43:46] <PulkoMandy> there's always the on-screen debug (with paging disabled) to see what the last log message i[22:43:57] <PulkoMandy> or if it just dumps a crapload of stuff to the log[22:45:11] <IIsi50MHz> Time for maths. Actually, uni is closed today but I need to study anyway.[22:46:04] <IIsi50MHz> This morning I convinced myself there was still maths class today. {-:[22:46:14] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, I attached a pair of screenshots and a photo to your ticket.[22:47:42] <Vidrep> The process might be appropriate for a How To article or a forum post. It might be too much for a trac ticket...[22:48:15] <PulkoMandy> there never is too much info[22:48:32] <PulkoMandy> the How To should be "run installer, click next, done"[22:48:45] <PulkoMandy> if it needs some tricks and whatever, there are bugs[22:48:52] <PulkoMandy> and that belongs on Trac[22:49:00] <Vidrep> Yeah, I wish it was that easy LOL[22:50:09] <Vidrep> If you use the entire drive for Haiku (one partition), it's a piece of cake. The complications start when you have more than one partition.[22:50:57] <PulkoMandy> well, if you write down your process, please attach it to the ticket for investigation[22:50:57] <IIsi50MHz> yep[22:51:08] <PulkoMandy> we'll see how to remove all the steps and make things happen automatically[22:51:31] <Vidrep> My job for tomorrow...[22:51:45] <PulkoMandy> thanks :)[22:52:36] <Vidrep> It's actually quite easy, once you have done it. But, isn't that true of anything?[22:52:53] *** Gareth422 <Gareth422!~Gareth422@2607:fea8:a6a0:8ae::4> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:53:08] <IIsi50MHz> ttfn[22:53:58] <Vidrep> The real "fun" will be when we start using UEFI instead of legacy BIOS to boot these installs[22:55:28] *** xemdetia <xemdetia!xemdetia@nat/ibm/x-bkvlixqgehjehipx> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[22:57:21] <PulkoMandy> that makes things simpler, but will need a bootman rewrite (or maybe we can switch to an already existing boot manager)[22:57:34] <PulkoMandy> I tried to find one for BIOS but all the open source ones are GPL licensed[23:00:01] <Vidrep> Let's stay with a homebrew solution. The Haiku installer works fine as it is, but could probably use a few more prompts along the way.[23:02:15] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, there is also the probability that some of the steps I included may not be necessary.[23:03:46] <munchausen> Hello all[23:04:22] <munchausen> Haiku still doesn't support USB wifi right?[23:09:26] *** ValeT <ValeT!47f1fdc2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.71.241.253.194> has joined #haiku[23:10:54] *** ValeT <ValeT!47f1fdc2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.71.241.253.194> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:16:29] *** tojoko <tojoko!~tonio@p5B150EF2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:16:38] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@dslb-084-057-156-024.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[23:16:45] <miqlas-H> Hi Guys![23:16:56] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[23:17:33] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:17:33] *** ValeT <ValeT!47f1fdc2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.71.241.253.194> has joined #haiku[23:17:46] <miqlas-H> I made a handy little script, what searches for *.la files, and creates a list abot the packages what contains them so i see, which package needs to be updated: http://termbin.com/zbqi[23:18:00] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:20:46] <miqlas-H> I should extend it further, it could check the haikuports tree, if the latest recipe contains ".la" text, if yes, then i should rebuild the package, because the libtool files deleted then.[23:26:38] *** PulkoMandy <PulkoMandy!~pulkomand@aus31-1-78-207-239-160.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[23:30:23] *** PulkoMandy <PulkoMandy!~pulkomand@aus31-1-78-207-239-160.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[23:36:05] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@2.68.87.93.mobile.tre.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Lämnar)[23:37:12] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-089-166-206-199.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Quit: axeld)[23:40:59] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[23:44:16] *** abis <abis!~abis@148.252.128.121> has joined #haiku[23:55:03] *** kervas <kervas!be5c292e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.92.41.46> has joined #haiku