November 13, 2016 
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November 13, 2016 [00:12:29] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-31-1-0-123.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #haiku[00:20:16] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has joined #haiku[00:37:26] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-31-1-0-123.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[00:41:13] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #haiku[00:41:13] <mmu_man> crap[00:41:22] <mmu_man> SuperLU wants a fortran compiler[00:46:32] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[00:50:18] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@212.69.17.18> has joined #haiku[00:50:18] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@212.69.17.18> has quit IRC (Changing host)[00:50:18] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has joined #haiku[00:50:38] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:51:05] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-5-60-60-191.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #haiku[00:52:18] *** _Dario <_Dario!vision@181.47.131.95> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[00:54:06] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has joined #haiku[01:02:35] <miqlas> mmu_man: this is a great opportunity! https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/pull/685[01:11:14] *** Feitan <Feitan!~vision@49.145.105.7> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[01:22:20] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-5-60-60-191.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[01:23:04] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@cpe-70-114-188-108.austin.res.rr.com> has joined #haiku[01:25:23] *** TwoFx <TwoFx!~TwoFx@tr-v851-hadi-gate.scc.kit.edu> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:26:20] <mmu_man> miqlas: EBUSY :p[01:26:31] <mmu_man> I actually commented 2 lines in CMakeFile :p[01:26:34] <mmu_man> but yeah[01:35:05] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-31-1-103-232.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #haiku[01:43:19] *** DCatt <DCatt!~vision@pool-71-113-9-65.rcmdva.east.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-090423]: i've been blurred!)[01:44:37] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[01:53:21] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[01:53:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[02:03:16] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has joined #haiku[02:09:07] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@cpe-70-114-188-108.austin.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[02:14:47] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[02:17:25] *** oco2 <oco2!~haiku@brs60-1-88-125-140-2.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[02:40:07] *** lubo76 <lubo76!~lubo76@nat-88-212-37-148.antik.sk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[02:55:37] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db36395.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[02:55:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[03:00:05] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db36395.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[03:02:00] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:14:35] *** TMM <TMM!~hp@fsf/member/pdpc.professional.tmm> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[03:15:10] *** TMM <TMM!~hp@fsf/member/pdpc.professional.tmm> has joined #haiku[03:25:37] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[03:58:05] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[04:13:55] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df54:60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:14:17] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[04:15:09] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[05:09:19] *** jamezz <jamezz!admin@dopeshit.net> has left #haiku ("Closing Window")[05:09:35] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!~dario@181.47.131.95> has joined #haiku[05:36:05] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:10:31] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!~dario@181.47.131.95> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[06:18:30] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@c-98-209-68-103.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[06:18:30] *** HaikuUser is now known as SMCollins[06:19:36] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[06:20:16] *** trn <trn!jhj@prone.ws> has quit IRC (Quit: quit)[06:25:05] *** jessicah <jessicah!uid33885@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ciweakrepservxfh> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[06:25:33] *** koonat_ <koonat_!sid35507@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xxnszcbdwgrvdrhb> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[06:33:08] *** Anirudh <Anirudh!~textual@122.164.25.12> has joined #haiku[06:37:24] *** koonat_ <koonat_!sid35507@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-inlbishwmpbhjyzm> has joined #haiku[06:37:46] <Anirudh> Hello[06:38:48] <Anirudh> Sorry to disturb, I used 'jam -q -j2 @image' to build haiku. I got haiku.image, is there anyway I can get it as .iso so that I can use it in VM? TIA[06:41:42] *** jessicah <jessicah!uid33885@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zemaodubrhjolivf> has joined #haiku[06:41:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jessicah[06:41:48] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[06:57:10] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4e346bbb.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[06:57:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[06:59:31] <jessicah> Anirudh: if you want to build an image for testing in a VM[06:59:36] <jessicah> use @nightly-vmware[06:59:48] <jessicah> it'll generate a .vmdk you can use with vbox, vmware, etc.[07:00:01] <Anirudh> Thanks! :D[07:00:04] <jessicah> the .image file is usually a raw disk image, which you don't want to use with those[07:00:26] <jessicah> a raw disk image can be used with qemu, e.g. qemu -hda haiku-nightly.image[07:01:07] <Anirudh> Got it![07:01:57] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4e346bbb.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[07:05:13] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has joined #haiku[07:05:27] <Begasus> morning all[07:06:48] <Anirudh> Morning! :)[07:25:10] *** Anirudh <Anirudh!~textual@122.164.25.12> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[07:36:52] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-166-14-140.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:37:06] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-158-158-133.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[07:37:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[08:17:07] <stargater> moin Begasus[08:21:52] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04f0e1.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[08:21:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[08:22:29] *** Anirudh <Anirudh!~textual@122.164.25.12> has joined #haiku[08:31:12] <Begasus> moin stargater[08:31:17] <Begasus> morning humdinger :)[08:31:34] <humdinger> hi Begasus![08:31:52] <humdinger> already back from dog sunday school? :)[08:32:11] <Begasus> nope, we start at 9h45 ;)[08:32:24] <Begasus> dogs have to go out here in a bit[08:33:07] <humdinger> cold but dry weather. that's good, right?[08:33:35] <Begasus> yeah, the cold isn't bad, on thursday we stood about an hour in the rain ... that s*cks :P[08:34:21] <humdinger> I can imagine. then driving back with 5+ wet dogs in the car... :D[08:34:46] <Begasus> nah, just 2 ;) (only the 2 youngest go to dogschool) :)[08:35:04] <Begasus> but the wife and me were soaked also :P[08:35:15] <humdinger> the others already graduated...[08:36:15] <Begasus> they have done their best yes ;)[08:36:34] <Begasus> a Husky is not the "typical" folower at dogschools :D[08:36:48] <Begasus> they have a mind of their own :D[08:37:02] <humdinger> now they continue with their ph.dog.[08:37:16] <Begasus> :D[08:37:28] <Begasus> pack ordering :P[08:39:32] <Begasus> preparing here ... will have to see later to rebase my fork to the master repo :)[08:40:05] * humdinger smells the foul stench of git troubles[08:42:40] <Begasus> fbrosson stepped in to fix the scummvm pr, so that is ok so far, just need to do some work on my side ;)[08:43:34] *** Anirudh <Anirudh!~textual@122.164.25.12> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[08:43:35] <humdinger> fbrosson is a Dog-sent at haikuports. He really knows his way around git and is helpful to a fault[08:44:06] <Begasus> he has been a lifesaver for more then me ;)[08:44:32] <Begasus> I try to write the things up in a seperate file in case I run into troubles again* :D[08:45:10] <humdinger> "fbrosson's Great Git Cheatsheet"[08:45:15] <humdinger> maybe we can sell it...[08:45:20] <Begasus> hehe[08:45:42] <Begasus> even trying to pronouce that would give me troubles :D[08:46:03] <humdinger> :P[08:54:24] <stargater> humdinger: http://terminus-font.sourceforge.net/index.html[08:54:51] <stargater> thats nice for terminal and code editors[08:57:25] <humdinger> does Haiku support BDF?[08:57:58] <Begasus> so ... heading out, cu later :)[08:58:04] *** Begasus is now known as Begas_afk[08:59:13] <stargater> for scaling screen -> nice infos http://www.eizo.com/library/basics/pixel_density_4k/[08:59:14] * humdinger throws a stick for the dogs[08:59:50] <stargater> in some other destop env i see the scaling slider on display setting![09:01:21] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[09:04:07] <stargater> so bad the new bios area, i vote coreboot but i cant found a hardware he used as default (only on chrombooks) http://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/secureboot.html[09:05:51] <johnny_b> moin[09:06:50] <stargater> m$ surface pro 4 can run linux but not so easy to install (uefi horror) https://www.reddit.com/r/SurfaceLinux/comments/43an26/repair_grub_on_surface_pro_4/[09:08:16] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-31-1-103-232.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[09:13:18] *** Anirudh <Anirudh!~textual@122.164.25.12> has joined #haiku[09:20:11] *** Anirudh <Anirudh!~textual@122.164.25.12> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[09:21:15] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-31-1-107-109.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #haiku[09:22:09] <stargater> for programmers https://hackernoon.com/so-you-think-you-know-c-8d4e2cd6f6a6#.6ynecg9th[09:41:09] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04f0e1.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[09:41:18] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04f0e1.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[09:41:18] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[09:49:38] * PulkoMandy passes the test[09:50:04] * humdinger hands out the diploma[09:51:48] *** Anirudh <Anirudh!~textual@122.164.25.12> has joined #haiku[10:03:59] <humdinger> Google docs don't work at all with QupZilla and almost don't in Web+.[10:04:18] <humdinger> Is there an alternative for collaboratively working on a spreadsheet.[10:04:50] <humdinger> maybe zoho... then everyone needs an account there. :\[10:08:15] <PulkoMandy> framacalc, if that works[10:08:40] <PulkoMandy> https://framacalc.org/DcVf77ICn7[10:08:42] <PulkoMandy> seems to run ok[10:09:08] <humdinger> c'est en francais[10:09:37] <humdinger> ah. les menu sont en anglais[10:09:42] <humdinger> sont?[10:09:46] <humdinger> it's been a long time...[10:10:26] <PulkoMandy> ah yes[10:10:35] <PulkoMandy> well it's run by the open source https://ethercalc.net/[10:10:44] <PulkoMandy> maybe you can find an instance in your native language somewhere else :)[10:11:01] <humdinger> hmm. can't upload a file[10:11:59] <PulkoMandy> we should really fix that :/[10:12:12] <humdinger> I mean, I didn't find a menu for that.[10:12:40] <PulkoMandy> ah, you can do it from the main page I think https://framacalc.org/[10:12:47] <PulkoMandy> Glissez un fichier .csv, .ods, ou .xlsx ici pour l'importer[10:12:54] <PulkoMandy> if you can get drag and drop on that working....[10:13:00] <humdinger> thanks![10:13:03] <humdinger> fat chance :)[10:13:17] <PulkoMandy> there is a "click here" link there, that may work[10:14:53] <humdinger> apparently https://ethercalc.net/ doesn't have that[10:17:53] <humdinger> uploading doesn't seem to work. I may have the GCI students use Sum-it and prepare individual spreadsheet files for them.[10:18:02] <humdinger> let's see how stable sum-it is these days.[10:21:24] <humdinger> BTW Zoho.com seems to work pretty well. but everone would need an account there...[10:22:50] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[10:24:18] *** lnuic <lnuic!~smuxi@78-0-218-89.adsl.net.t-com.hr> has joined #haiku[10:33:24] *** Anirudh <Anirudh!~textual@122.164.25.12> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[10:45:10] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-092-252-107-241.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has joined #haiku[10:45:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[10:58:39] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4e346bbb.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[10:58:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[11:02:58] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4e346bbb.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[11:06:23] <miqlas> Guys, there is plenty recipe, what requires automake_1.13 instead of automake. What is this? Is it for backward compatibility with BeOS? Or?[11:07:16] <PulkoMandy> no, just an old version of automake. The GNU guy decide to break everything sometimes, and then old projects don't build with new versions of automake[11:07:26] <PulkoMandy> very great for software archiving[11:07:27] <miqlas> or are they just old programs, and the autoconf scripts needs to be updated to the latest version, and istead that, we just using old automake?[11:07:46] <miqlas> YEEY, i understood![11:08:02] <PulkoMandy> you can try to update them to a new version, yes. But, it is a lot of work and no one wants to mess with autotools buildsystems[11:08:07] <PulkoMandy> (especially old rusty ones)[11:08:49] <jessicah> autotools would be good if they didn't break stuff every new release :([11:08:49] <miqlas> i'm fighting with libxslt, it also requires older autotools. Tried to remove the prefix, doesn't helps[11:09:36] <miqlas> prefix=-1.13[11:15:55] <PulkoMandy> is there a problem with libxslt? that recipe built fine at least once (and WebKit uses it)[11:16:10] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:16:38] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[11:27:29] *** pfoetchen <pfoetchen!~pfoetchen@beiboot1.petschge.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[11:33:49] <stargater> what happens when in haiku bash try this -> :(){ :|:&};:[11:34:44] <johnny_b> a nuclear disaster[11:38:19] <johnny_b> sry[11:38:32] *** pfoetchen <pfoetchen!~pfoetchen@beiboot1.petschge.de> has joined #haiku[11:41:41] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9c485.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[11:46:23] <miqlas> Just got dxx-rebirth compiled on Haiku: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNjGEhdGxog[11:51:16] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@dslb-084-057-156-024.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[11:54:27] *** Klima <Klima!~Klima@static-78-8-176-191.ssp.dialog.net.pl> has joined #haiku[12:23:26] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04f0e1.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[12:31:27] *** ppisati_ is now known as ppisati[12:51:58] *** lnuic <lnuic!~smuxi@78-0-218-89.adsl.net.t-com.hr> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:54:11] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@dslb-084-057-156-024.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[12:56:42] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df54:60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[13:44:33] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@dslb-084-057-156-024.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[13:44:55] <miqlas-H> Hmmm... it looks good: http://chunk.io/f/e32e4cfd34fa4dc58add3723e0cffc00[13:46:37] *** Tristitia <Tristitia!~tristitia@static-ip-69-64-50-196.inaddr.ip-pool.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:56:32] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[13:59:28] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04f0e1.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[13:59:28] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[14:04:08] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[14:09:41] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df54:60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:10:31] *** Begas_afk is now known as Begasus[14:10:34] <Begasus> re[14:20:20] *** vikt0r <vikt0r!~victor@net-93-70-156-246.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[14:20:43] *** vikt0r <vikt0r!~victor@195.32.87.115> has joined #haiku[14:23:27] *** oco2 <oco2!~haiku@brs60-1-88-125-140-2.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[14:31:13] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC ()[14:55:01] *** TMM <TMM!~hp@fsf/member/pdpc.professional.tmm> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[15:00:24] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4e346bbb.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[15:00:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[15:03:18] *** SMCollins <SMCollins!~vision@c-98-209-68-103.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[15:04:36] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4e346bbb.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[15:12:15] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@2.68.108.236.mobile.tre.se> has joined #haiku[15:12:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[15:30:24] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has joined #haiku[15:39:34] *** js <js!~js@84-72-180-126.dclient.hispeed.ch> has joined #haiku[15:39:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o js[15:42:39] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@2.68.108.236.mobile.tre.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Lämnar)[15:57:31] *** Klima <Klima!~Klima@static-78-8-176-191.ssp.dialog.net.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Quiit...)[16:00:21] *** Anirudh <Anirudh!~textual@122.164.25.12> has joined #haiku[16:03:48] *** ppisati_ <ppisati_!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has joined #haiku[16:05:01] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df54:60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[16:06:16] *** ppisati <ppisati!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[16:13:12] *** auronandace <auronandace!~auronanda@2a02:c7d:4427:e200:e555:bfaa:7e8:ef34> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[16:19:28] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@p5B15097C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[16:22:43] <postmen> hi[16:24:43] <humdinger> hullo[16:25:18] *** auronandace <auronandace!~auronanda@2a02:c7d:4427:e200:f873:1da1:6871:ecfb> has joined #haiku[16:29:41] *** Anirudh <Anirudh!~textual@122.164.25.12> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[16:31:35] *** knarf <knarf!~knarf@89-159-149-97.rev.numericable.fr> has joined #haiku[16:36:41] *** Anirudh <Anirudh!~textual@122.164.25.12> has joined #haiku[16:49:41] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[16:54:58] *** pfoetchen <pfoetchen!~pfoetchen@beiboot1.petschge.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[16:55:17] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@2.68.108.236.mobile.tre.se> has joined #haiku[16:55:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[17:01:05] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4e346bbb.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[17:01:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[17:05:22] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4e346bbb.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[17:07:27] *** pfoetchen <pfoetchen!~pfoetchen@beiboot1.petschge.de> has joined #haiku[17:11:53] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:12:42] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has joined #haiku[17:15:41] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[17:16:06] <Vidrep> Hi[17:16:13] <miqlas> ha[17:16:21] <humdinger> hu[17:16:33] <Vidrep> :)[17:19:02] <johnny_b> ho[17:19:15] <humdinger> one left...[17:19:23] <johnny_b> he?[17:19:25] <johnny_b> 8p[17:19:49] <humdinger> you already had yours... :)[17:19:56] <Vidrep> I was a little glum, but you guys put a smile on my face. Thanks :)[17:20:09] <humdinger> you're easy to please...[17:21:18] <Vidrep> I was looking at this ticket: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12623 It made my think of another instance that is similar - BootManager/bootman[17:22:00] *** Malmis <Malmis!~malmis@h-155-4-131-83.na.cust.bahnhof.se> has joined #haiku[17:22:03] <humdinger> you think we should renaame bootman?[17:22:35] <Vidrep> We're no longer using "bootman:, yet we have a directory /boot/home/congig/settings/bootman[17:22:51] <Vidrep> The app is BBootmanager"[17:23:47] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[17:24:13] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[17:24:30] <humdinger> I tend to agree, but I I dunno how others feel about the "broken" backward compatibility.[17:24:49] <humdinger> It's only used to backup the MBR... so I wouldn't see a big issue[17:24:49] <Vidrep> hmmmm, Vision dropped my connection...[17:25:44] *** Anirudh <Anirudh!~textual@122.164.25.12> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[17:26:30] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@c-98-209-68-103.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[17:26:30] *** HaikuUser is now known as SMCollins[17:27:09] <humdinger> Personally, I'd even welcome renaming even more stuff in the settings folder...[17:28:09] <Vidrep> Consistency[17:28:39] <humdinger> yes. IMO improving that would be a good idea before beta[17:28:49] <Vidrep> I agree with the renaming from BeOS disks to Haiku disks[17:29:06] <humdinger> me too. just forgot about it...[17:29:23] <Vidrep> The same with renaming that directory from "bootman" to "BootManager"[17:30:00] <Vidrep> Everything should be as clear as possible.[17:30:30] <humdinger> I'm a bit concerned that others ma find that bikeshedding... Any dev with an opinion here?[17:31:13] <Vidrep> There are probably others, but this one came to my attention because of my time messing with GPT partitions[17:31:49] <Vidrep> The worst case I've seen is in the Printer setup dialog[17:31:53] <humdinger> Is BootManager able to restore tha backuped MBR yet?[17:32:55] <PulkoMandy> did anyone ever try? :)[17:33:03] <Vidrep> I didn't try that...[17:33:12] <Vidrep> Maybe something to do later today[17:33:34] <PulkoMandy> (and, I don't mind moving the settings around, but there is the problem of upgrading existing installs)[17:33:44] <PulkoMandy> I'd say better now than after we have released beta1, however[17:33:58] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!~dario@181.47.131.95> has joined #haiku[17:34:40] <humdinger> exactly. I guess people will just have to live with either losing their settings once, or rename/move them around.[17:35:27] <Vidrep> The printer setup dialog was a mess: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12880[17:35:47] <humdinger> OTOH... all kinds of 3rd party apps "polute" the naming scheme anyway. So in the end it won't make much difference[17:35:56] <Vidrep> It works as is, but there is no consistency to the names from one window to the next[17:36:31] *** SMCollins <SMCollins!~vision@c-98-209-68-103.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[17:37:38] *** SMCollins <SMCollins!~vision@c-98-209-68-103.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[17:38:21] <PulkoMandy> humdinger: but we could move more things to settings/system maybe[17:41:32] <humdinger> yes. maybe... candidates: boot, kernel, Mail, printers ?[17:42:44] <SMCollins> there is a printer prefrences ticket open in trac[17:43:11] <humdinger> the one Vidrep linked to earlier? :)[17:43:16] <humdinger> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12880[17:44:48] <postmen> re[17:46:05] <Vidrep> I dug into printer preferences a few months ago, and reviewed every printer ticket I could test on my own system[17:46:50] <Vidrep> There were a couple that were closed because they were no longer valid[17:50:27] *** mikeh <mikeh!~mikeh@S010600259ce59399.vn.shawcable.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:51:04] <Vidrep> A little cleanup in the Print setup dialogs would go a long way in ease of navigating[17:51:07] *** mikeh <mikeh!~mikeh@S010600259ce59399.vn.shawcable.net> has joined #haiku[17:52:38] <Vidrep> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12879[17:53:50] <humdinger> hmm... same as https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12880 ?[17:56:55] <Vidrep> Similar[17:58:43] <Vidrep> From what I remember I created the first ticket as a solution to one older one by Giova84[17:59:23] <Vidrep> He was getting confused by the printer dialog, and I agree[18:00:00] <humdinger> It's quite a jungle down there in the printer driver/kit...[18:00:10] <humdinger> looks like nothing's localized either[18:00:33] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@dslb-084-057-156-024.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[18:00:59] <Vidrep> Pulkomandy had a look at this one recently: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/6761#comment:9 This issue basically causes some Pe and StyledEdit documents to be unprintable[18:01:45] <Vidrep> I can print the same document in GoBe or BeatWare Writer perfectly[18:01:56] <humdinger> Even further out of my depth...[18:02:44] <Vidrep> It's a PulkoMandy special. Maybe a call to phoudoin is in order before Beta[18:08:37] <Vidrep> So many things....[18:11:19] <Vidrep> humdinger, you said something upgrading existing installs[18:11:43] <humdinger> I did? wrt to renaming/moving settings?[18:12:20] <Vidrep> Haiku is in Alpha, and everybody should know if they don't already, that things will be in a state of flux[18:12:52] <PulkoMandy> yes, but still we try to not break things too often[18:13:11] <humdinger> I agree. Since we only release once every 4 years, and our nightlies are so stable, people mistake them for official release. :)[18:13:32] <Vidrep> Too often... :)[18:14:42] <Vidrep> Whatever needs to be changed should be done now. After the Beta is probably too late[18:15:39] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[18:16:46] <Vidrep> The other option would be a Alpha 5 release...:/[18:21:37] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[18:26:42] <Vidrep> humdinger, :"...our nightlies are so stable, people mistake them for official release." SOME of our nightlies...:)[18:27:29] <humdinger> MOST, I'd say. I haven't had a stinker for a long while.[18:27:39] <humdinger> sorry, gotta eat.[18:27:43] * humdinger is idle: dinner[18:32:38] <Vidrep> I've got two football games to watch[18:33:58] <Vidrep> Voicing opinions never hurts. We're all working towards the same goal (I hope)[18:34:12] <Vidrep> Have a good day guys[18:40:59] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[18:41:46] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has joined #haiku[18:47:35] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9e0bd.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[18:48:07] *** pat74 <pat74!~74000@AAnnecy-653-1-181-254.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #haiku[18:56:25] *** pat74 <pat74!~74000@AAnnecy-653-1-181-254.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-090423]: i've been blurred!)[18:59:36] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-156-024.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:00:12] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-156-024.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[19:25:47] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has quit IRC (Quit: Life beckons.)[19:27:43] <Chloe> is the bug tracker fixed yet?[19:30:17] <PulkoMandy> was it broken?[19:30:37] * humdinger has returned[19:30:42] <humdinger> yes. see https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12947[19:30:52] <humdinger> I don't think the admin team has reacted[19:31:29] <PulkoMandy> well I partially fixed that[19:31:43] <PulkoMandy> (by using a captcha that humans can get through - and robots too, sometimes)[19:31:50] <humdinger> I see, the admin has reacted. Mea culpa.[19:32:41] <PulkoMandy> you know, http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2015/07/06/meanwhile-in-a-parallel-universe/[19:32:41] *** mikeh <mikeh!~mikeh@S010600259ce59399.vn.shawcable.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:33:08] *** mikeh <mikeh!~mikeh@S010600259ce59399.vn.shawcable.net> has joined #haiku[19:35:05] <humdinger> heh. :D[19:51:10] <SMCollins> you guys are killing me here[20:01:59] * humdinger leaves to a killing spree somewhere else[20:02:05] <humdinger> see you guys tomorrow![20:02:10] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04f0e1.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[20:03:04] *** amused <amused!matheus@unaffiliated/demhydraz> has quit IRC (Quit: Bai.)[20:04:24] *** hydraz <hydraz!matheus@heddw.ch> has joined #haiku[20:04:24] *** hydraz <hydraz!matheus@heddw.ch> has quit IRC (Changing host)[20:04:24] *** hydraz <hydraz!matheus@unaffiliated/demhydraz> has joined #haiku[20:09:27] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has joined #haiku[20:17:21] <mmu_man> oco2: https://travis-ci.org/haikuports/haikuports/builds/175525430[20:17:26] <mmu_man> Trailing whitespace in 'dev-qt/libqt4pas/libqt4pas-2.5.0.recipe'.[20:18:24] <mmu_man> lines 24, 37, 45[20:18:32] <mmu_man> IIRC there's a setting in Pe to remove them[20:28:45] *** eddy_b <eddy_b!~eddyb@2001:984:357c:1:68da:22e4:cf64:88b6> has joined #haiku[20:29:13] *** eddy_b <eddy_b!~eddyb@2001:984:357c:1:68da:22e4:cf64:88b6> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:31:27] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has joined #haiku[20:42:21] <mmu_man> oco2: please squash the two commits and push -f[20:43:31] *** ppisati_ <ppisati_!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[20:44:18] *** ppisati <ppisati!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has joined #haiku[20:44:56] *** ppisati <ppisati!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:52:26] *** ppisati <ppisati!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has joined #haiku[20:53:54] *** Muzer <Muzer!~muzer@cpc96772-rdng27-2-0-cust294.15-3.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[20:54:56] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has joined #haiku[20:59:26] <oco2> mmu_man : yes i know. I still have to retrieve how to do that again (last time, it was 10 months ago...) and there is some other things to fixe it seems...[20:59:43] <oco2> wondering why recipe are so complicated to do...[21:00:25] <oco2> time to eat now...[21:02:39] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4e346bbb.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[21:02:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[21:07:08] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4e346bbb.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[21:08:14] *** Muzer <Muzer!~muzer@cpc96772-rdng27-2-0-cust294.15-3.cable.virginm.net> has joined #haiku[21:18:28] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-156-024.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[21:19:05] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-156-024.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[21:19:35] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@x4e346bbb.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[21:19:35] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[21:26:25] <SMCollins> bbl, gotta go take care of wife[21:26:30] *** SMCollins <SMCollins!~vision@c-98-209-68-103.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[21:39:26] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-156-024.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:39:36] *** bitkid <bitkid!~bitkid@x1-6-c0-ff-d4-9c-db-ec.cpe.webspeed.dk> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:45:08] *** [JJ]Albert <[JJ]Albert!~Albert@2602:306:3bf2:b330:e4f5:95e3:2454:e14e> has joined #haiku[21:48:44] *** bitkid <bitkid!~bitkid@x1-6-c0-ff-d4-9c-db-ec.cpe.webspeed.dk> has joined #haiku[21:51:31] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #haiku[21:56:08] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@2.68.108.236.mobile.tre.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Lämnar)[21:56:48] <mmu_man> hmm, cmake complains about pkg-config's search path with a \~[21:57:34] <PulkoMandy> ask #cmake :)[21:57:49] <PulkoMandy> (they are quite helpful and willing to fix things usually)[22:00:54] <mmu_man> I think we probably pass it something bad anyway[22:02:44] <mmu_man> /boot/system/data/cmake/Modules/FindPkgConfig.cmake:63[22:02:44] <mmu_man> when parsing string[22:02:45] <mmu_man> ;/packages/freetype_x86-2.6.5-1/.self/develop/lib/x86;/packages/freetype_x86_devel-2.6.5-1/devel\~libpng16_x86/develop/lib/x86[22:02:53] <mmu_man> looks like unfixed package paths[22:08:01] <mmu_man> /system/develop/lib/x86/pkgconfig/freetype2.pc:Libs.private: -lz -lbz2 -L/packages/freetype_x86_devel-2.6.5-1/devel~libpng16_x86/develop/lib/x86 -lz[22:13:31] <mmu_man> and of course the current freetype recipe fails to bulid[22:13:35] <mmu_man> wants a newer libtoolize[22:15:06] <mmu_man> odd, haikuporter didn't get the dep[22:25:16] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has joined #haiku[22:28:49] <mmu_man> looks like defineDebugInfoPackage wants the name with $secondaryArchSuffit[22:28:50] <mmu_man> x[22:34:24] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@x4e346bbb.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: stippi)[22:35:11] *** arroyoc <arroyoc!~Thunderbi@46.136.225.153> has joined #haiku[22:35:20] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:37:27] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:38:08] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has joined #haiku[22:40:43] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-156-024.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[22:43:59] *** qeos|2 <qeos|2!~kvirc@37.204.76.5> has joined #haiku[22:44:38] *** qeos <qeos!~kvirc@37.204.76.5> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[22:45:05] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-156-024.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[22:52:20] *** pfoetchen <pfoetchen!~pfoetchen@beiboot1.petschge.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[22:57:54] *** Chloe <Chloe!~chloe@unaffiliated/chloe> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[23:01:54] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@p5B15097C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC ()[23:16:14] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:16:42] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:20:44] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[23:30:51] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[23:32:26] *** arroyoc <arroyoc!~Thunderbi@46.136.225.153> has quit IRC (Quit: arroyoc)[23:55:05] *** amuck <amuck!~amuck@irc.harug.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[23:56:22] *** amuck <amuck!~amuck@irc.harug.com> has joined #haiku