November 12, 2016 
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November 12, 2016 [00:15:10] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[00:21:41] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[01:05:39] *** xemdetia <xemdetia!xemdetia@nat/ibm/x-syoketrelqmcruid> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[01:22:16] *** ppisati_ <ppisati_!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has joined #haiku[01:24:12] *** ppisati <ppisati!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[02:00:00] *** roptat <roptat!~roptat@2083.rez-gif.supelec.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[02:00:45] *** roptat <roptat!~roptat@2083.rez-gif.supelec.fr> has joined #haiku[02:01:18] *** kallisti5 <kallisti5!~kallisti5@66.187.72.34> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[02:01:53] *** kallisti5 <kallisti5!~kallisti5@66.187.72.34> has joined #haiku[02:13:01] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has quit IRC (Quit: Life beckons.)[02:20:44] *** pixdamix <pixdamix!~pix@unaffiliated/pixdamix> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1)[02:30:59] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[02:32:45] *** Alam_Squeeze <Alam_Squeeze!quasselcor@2001:470:1f07:238:1e6f:65ff:fed3:eba8> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:34:14] *** davidlebr1 <davidlebr1!~davidlebr@162.219.4.36> has left #haiku ("Leaving")[02:34:56] *** Alam_Squeeze <Alam_Squeeze!quasselcor@rigginstereo.lawarias.srb2.org> has joined #haiku[02:36:31] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[02:37:11] <Vidrep> Is there any way to write the Haiku Boot Loader to a USB drive?[02:41:22] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[02:42:04] *** live <live!~live@99-127-246-190.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net> has joined #haiku[02:45:53] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x5ce3dafa.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[02:45:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[02:46:17] *** amuck <amuck!~amuck@irc.harug.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[02:48:40] *** amuck <amuck!~amuck@irc.harug.com> has joined #haiku[02:49:44] <live> After I install qt-core and qupzilla, the text editors get all crazy - like skipping typed characters, backspacing instead of printing typed character, etc.[02:50:25] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x5ce3dafa.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[02:50:59] *** Alam_Squeeze <Alam_Squeeze!quasselcor@rigginstereo.lawarias.srb2.org> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:53:09] *** pixdamix <pixdamix!~pix@unaffiliated/pixdamix> has joined #haiku[02:55:39] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #haiku[02:55:39] <live> It seems pretty consistent[02:56:05] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:56:22] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #haiku[02:56:33] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:57:00] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #haiku[02:57:40] *** live <live!~live@99-127-246-190.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[02:57:43] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:59:21] *** oco2 <oco2!~haiku@brs60-1-88-125-140-2.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[02:59:52] *** live <live!~live@99-127-246-190.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net> has joined #haiku[03:02:13] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[03:07:59] <live> Vidrep: same way you do it with a hard drive[03:10:44] *** Alam_Squeeze <Alam_Squeeze!quasselcor@rigginstereo.lawarias.srb2.org> has joined #haiku[03:11:03] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:11:13] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[03:11:34] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:12:00] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[03:15:44] *** live <live!~live@99-127-246-190.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[03:17:07] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[03:17:51] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[03:18:31] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[03:20:10] <Vidrep> I have Haiku installed onto a GPT hard drive, but the only way to boot it on a BIOS system is with the Haiku install CD[03:21:53] <Vidrep> It would be nice if there were a mini boot iso of some sort that could be written to a CD or USB drive[03:22:34] <Vidrep> Something that would present the boot loader without the need to hit the space bar[03:23:00] <Vidrep> Kind of like a modern version of the BeOS boot floppy[03:23:27] <Vidrep> jessicah, when do you expect to merge your UEFI work?[03:25:31] <jessicah> bios booting off gpt disk should work fine[03:25:31] *** mikeh <mikeh!~mikeh@S010600259ce59399.vn.shawcable.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[03:25:40] <jessicah> I do that without problems[03:25:52] <jessicah> did you fail to write the mbr?[03:26:07] *** mikeh <mikeh!~mikeh@S010600259ce59399.vn.shawcable.net> has joined #haiku[03:27:17] *** TMM <TMM!~hp@fsf/member/pdpc.professional.tmm> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[03:27:44] *** TMM <TMM!~hp@fsf/member/pdpc.professional.tmm> has joined #haiku[03:29:17] <Vidrep> I've tried every which way. I don't know if the disk size makes a difference or not[03:30:12] <Vidrep> Originally I had to update my BIOS for the PC to recognize the drive[03:31:19] <jessicah> as for UEFI, shouldn't be too far away[03:31:26] <jessicah> but it's not ready for user consumption[03:31:31] <jessicah> and currently only supports x86_64[03:31:43] <Vidrep> We're not users, we're experimenters[03:31:53] <jessicah> not ready for experimenters either[03:32:33] <Vidrep> 64 bit might be a good place to start[03:32:46] <Vidrep> Nothing else works there either[03:33:17] <jessicah> it needs eyes from likes of people like pawel, axel, etc.[03:33:40] <jessicah> that will be the only intent of merging uefi[03:33:45] <Vidrep> Can you give an outline of the steps you normally take to boot a GPT disk from a BIOS PC?[03:34:03] <Vidrep> You said you do it without problems[03:34:27] <jessicah> create a gpt partition[03:34:32] <jessicah> create bfs partitions[03:34:43] <jessicah> install, and should just work[03:34:48] <jessicah> maybe you need to run makebootable[03:38:55] *** PunyLittleCrocod <PunyLittleCrocod!~skamath@14.139.38.131> has joined #haiku[03:42:28] *** Alam_Squeeze <Alam_Squeeze!quasselcor@rigginstereo.lawarias.srb2.org> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:44:45] <jessicah> Vidrep: seems you need to use writembr manually[03:44:51] <jessicah> writembr /dev/disk/ata/.../raw[03:45:03] *** Alam_Squeeze <Alam_Squeeze!quasselcor@rigginstereo.lawarias.srb2.org> has joined #haiku[03:45:19] <jessicah> or whatever your disk device you're booting from[03:46:04] <jessicah> it might be a limitation of the gpt partitioning in comparison to the intel partitioning[03:46:11] <jessicah> the latter must write the mbr automatically[03:49:42] <Vidrep> OK thanks[03:49:55] <Vidrep> I'll try that later[03:50:56] *** amuck <amuck!~amuck@irc.harug.com> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC 1.6.3 - http://znc.in)[03:51:18] *** amuck <amuck!~amuck@irc.harug.com> has joined #haiku[03:55:01] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[03:55:09] <jessicah> ah, I see, the intel partitioning system kernel add-on writes the MBR[03:55:19] <jessicah> probably need to add that to the gpt one as well[03:56:07] <jessicah> it doesn't write the protective MBR as yet either, so both of those should be tackled at some point[04:07:58] <AlienSoldier> web+ memory leak like mad[04:11:39] <Vidrep> jessicah, so that's why the issue with booting then, is it?[04:16:10] <Vidrep> In the mean time as a stop gap measure, the boot iso might work on a uSB stick[04:22:06] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:29:48] *** rennj <rennj!~rennj@host-69-146-167-35.static.bresnan.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[04:35:11] *** rennj <rennj!~rennj@host-69-146-167-35.static.bresnan.net> has joined #haiku[04:41:26] <jessicah> as long as you use writembr, it'll boot fine[05:19:06] *** PunyLittleCrocod <PunyLittleCrocod!~skamath@14.139.38.131> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[05:20:47] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #haiku[05:23:51] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df54:60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:25:44] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:27:14] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[05:31:38] *** PunyLittleCrocod <PunyLittleCrocod!~skamath@14.139.38.131> has joined #haiku[05:38:27] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[06:07:40] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[06:07:49] *** PunyLittleCrocod <PunyLittleCrocod!~skamath@14.139.38.131> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[06:37:10] <Vidrep> jessicah. still around?[06:37:36] <Vidrep> I'll try what you suggested[06:39:06] <Vidrep> I'm thinking that the Haiku installer may need a couple of different boot options to take BIOS/GPT combinations into account[06:39:45] <Vidrep> Of course if the hardware supports UEFI then its not a problem[06:41:08] <Vidrep> The installation process should be made as clear and easy as possible[06:42:30] <Vidrep> For MBR Haiku is as easy to install as any OS I've ever come across[06:44:02] <Vidrep> writembr->reboot[06:44:04] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[06:45:08] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[06:45:37] <Vidrep> jessicah, you're a doll! It worked just as you said it would[06:45:47] <Vidrep> Thanks for the tip[06:46:31] <Vidrep> That should be incorporated into the Haiku installer somehow[06:47:33] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db36395.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[06:47:33] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[06:52:16] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db36395.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[07:05:32] <HAIKU-irker082> haiku.master: nielx * hrev50683 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=b273e9733d25+%5E521f41dd5a34[07:05:32] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[07:05:33] <HAIKU-irker082> b273e9733d25: Update translations from Pootle[07:05:43] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[07:12:43] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-160-219-105.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:12:59] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-166-14-140.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[07:12:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[07:24:57] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.125.61> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[07:33:50] <jessicah> Vidrep: well, the intel partitioning code writes the MBR automatically[07:34:03] <jessicah> just need to add the same code to the gpt partitioning code[07:43:03] <Vidrep> Good to know[07:43:41] <Vidrep> It will take some of the guess work out of this combination[07:44:54] <Vidrep> Is this something that is fairly involved, or just a few lines of code?[07:47:47] <Vidrep> Is this in any way connected to this ticket: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12410 ?[07:50:18] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@81-225-60-243-no168.bredband.skanova.com> has joined #haiku[08:12:18] <Vidrep> Good night[08:12:27] <Vidrep> Thanks Jessicah[08:12:33] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[08:54:41] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@123.26.225.240> has joined #haiku[08:57:14] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@123.26.225.240> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[09:01:28] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[09:18:29] *** Freso <Freso!~Freso@musicbrainz/user/Freso> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[09:23:48] *** Freso <Freso!~Freso@musicbrainz/user/Freso> has joined #haiku[09:36:30] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-46-76-83-119.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[09:57:52] *** mikeh <mikeh!~mikeh@S010600259ce59399.vn.shawcable.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[09:58:23] *** mikeh <mikeh!~mikeh@S010600259ce59399.vn.shawcable.net> has joined #haiku[10:05:02] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[10:37:21] <arfonzo> ahoy, Haiku friends![10:37:52] <arfonzo> just read olivier's post on building Haiku on WSL/ubuntu for windows... dayum. :) I gotta try that.[10:38:27] <arfonzo> Had no idea you guys were up to no good with WSL at BG030[10:42:01] <jessicah> fair warning, it's bloody slow[10:42:17] <jessicah> WSL building an image here took 48 minutes[10:42:25] <jessicah> same build in an ubuntu vm with vbox, 7 minutes[10:43:25] <arfonzo> indeed I do realise it'll be slow, but it's really nice to know that works.[10:44:16] <jessicah> eh, a vm with ssh & smb works much better :p[10:44:30] <jessicah> and the windows terminal program is shit[10:44:41] <jessicah> much happier using putty[10:44:44] <arfonzo> I am well familiar with WSL ;)[10:44:58] <arfonzo> including it's... er... foibles[10:45:10] <jessicah> yeah[10:45:11] <arfonzo> but, I'm also glad to hear it's progressed enough now to build haiku.[10:45:20] <jessicah> they seem to have fixed the problem that was plaguing jam too[10:45:29] <arfonzo> I do use that terminal quite often for work, I need some quick and simple unix tools[10:45:40] <arfonzo> yeah, they have loads of problems still... like non persisting processes.[10:46:01] <jessicah> being able to call windows programs from bash is a clever bit of work though :)[10:46:06] <jessicah> that makes it much more useful than before[10:46:18] <arfonzo> indeed, plus now there's mount points to C: D: etc in /mnt/c[10:46:31] <jessicah> that had always existed[10:46:42] <arfonzo> I've been trying it since the early pre-release days, it was really, really shitty a few years ago[10:46:45] <arfonzo> nah, not always[10:47:05] <jessicah> you mean before it was part of windows 10?[10:47:19] <jessicah> when WSL first shipped in the fast ring, it had /mnt/c, etc.[10:47:25] <arfonzo> well, before that, there was this "thing" called SUA[10:47:38] <jessicah> oh, yeah, I remember all the old incarnations[10:47:45] <arfonzo> are you talking about developer preview?[10:47:49] <jessicah> services for unix and stuff[10:47:59] <jessicah> that predates windows 10 though[10:48:02] <arfonzo> (there's a release cycle before it hits the insider's preview... many in fact)[10:48:11] <arfonzo> but those aren't public, even for devs.[10:48:32] <arfonzo> yeah indeed SUA predates win10 by a long way, and is not really the sale thing as WSL[10:48:37] <arfonzo> sale/same[10:48:44] <jessicah> yeah, completely different implementation[10:48:56] <jessicah> mm, I've used stuff like coLinux and stuff in the past as well[10:48:59] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db36395.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[10:48:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[10:49:03] <arfonzo> terrible, u have my pity[10:49:05] <jessicah> was a bit better than the early POSIX subsystems[10:49:15] <arfonzo> uuf, I'm not sure about that, but perhaps.[10:49:39] <jessicah> in terms of source compatibility, it was[10:49:45] <arfonzo> the early SUA was... really bad. really bad. Better than nothing, but nothing at all like the "ubuntu for windows" we have today :)[10:50:05] <jessicah> yeah, I have memories of those days[10:51:21] <jessicah> as long as your workloads with WSL aren't i/o intensive, should be fine[10:51:29] <jessicah> well i/o and lots of processes[10:51:58] <jessicah> configure scripts seem to be quite slow iirc[10:52:07] <arfonzo> considering I can't even background shit properly, no, I don't use it for very intensive stuff :) But sometimes it's quicker for me to use unix commands, than powershell that I'm still learning.[10:52:22] <jessicah> not sure whether that's to do with forking overhead, or if it's all the lots of tiny io[10:52:31] <jessicah> ah[10:52:35] <jessicah> powershell is very cool[10:52:54] <jessicah> I've had to use powershell to setup server 2016 nano servers[10:52:59] <arfonzo> ... it is. I love it. Takes a while to get into the paradigm, but it's my favorite shell these days[10:53:16] <arfonzo> unix needs an object oriented shell like that :)[10:53:20] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-156-024.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:53:24] <jessicah> I love how it's just objects all the way down[10:53:34] <jessicah> you do know powershell is being ported to linux right?[10:53:40] <jessicah> I believe they have the basics working[10:53:41] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db36395.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[10:53:46] <arfonzo> personally, totally agreed. I seem to hit a lot of resistance from some people against that idea tho[10:54:04] <arfonzo> jessicah, yeah I am aware, but I have not been following it that closely[10:54:10] <jessicah> parsing text based output is just so fragile[10:54:52] <arfonzo> for me, PS is fantastic for my work, but that's because I work against a lot of MS services and products. The full stack integration into PS, from OS all the way up to apps, is fantastic. That'll be a huge challenge for any port to unix.[10:55:11] <jessicah> mm, yeah...[10:55:40] <jessicah> one of the projects I want to look at is porting chakra to haiku[10:55:41] <arfonzo> but, one step at a time. I'd be happy to get an OOS (ob oriented shell), as a first step, with just a few supporting cmdlets.[10:56:03] <jessicah> I haven't checked what the status of chakra on linux is at[10:56:38] <arfonzo> hm, I know they dropped the sources onto github earlier this year, IIRC[10:56:48] <arfonzo> but that'd be fantastic, I didn't know you were looking into that[10:58:36] <arfonzo> jessicah, just checked out their jenkins quickly, seems ubuntu x64 builds are currently passing for ChakraCore.[10:58:55] <arfonzo> as well as OS X, and ARM[10:59:09] <arfonzo> (win ARM, tho, but ARM nontheless)[10:59:20] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has joined #haiku[10:59:33] <jessicah> I haven't started to look at it[10:59:48] <jessicah> but something I'd like to investigate[11:00:10] <Begasus> hi scottmc :)[11:00:13] <Begasus> 'lo peeps :)[11:00:16] <arfonzo> ok, keep me in the loop! :) More than happy to help, if I can in anyway, there.[11:00:21] <arfonzo> ahoy Begasus[11:00:32] <Begasus> aloha arfonzo :)[11:01:30] <johnny_b> hmm[11:01:33] <arfonzo> jessicah, have you ever thought about porting VS Code to Haiku? :) It's a recurring idea I keep getting... I think it needs GTK tho, and not sure the state of our GTK compat[11:01:48] <jessicah> it shouldn't need gtk[11:01:48] <arfonzo> but otherwise the requirements are all fairly standard, and open.[11:02:17] <jessicah> and yes, I'd love to have vscode on haiku[11:02:20] <arfonzo> what's it using for non-Windows windowing?[11:02:26] <arfonzo> (I thought it was GTK, last I checked the sources)[11:02:29] <johnny_b> do we really need chakracore? why not porting node/v8 instead?[11:02:48] <jessicah> it's just node+webkit[11:02:51] <arfonzo> johnny_b, because jessicah and I are microsoft geeks :|[11:02:56] <johnny_b> i see[11:03:01] <johnny_b> shame on you![11:03:08] <jessicah> arfonzo: as far as I know[11:03:08] <johnny_b> 8p[11:03:09] *** Klima <Klima!~Klima@static-78-8-176-191.ssp.dialog.net.pl> has joined #haiku[11:05:12] <jessicah> hmm, node/chakracore is still pre-release[11:05:34] <arfonzo> jessicah, ah? interesting... so the windowing is done by node?[11:06:23] <jessicah> webkit/blink/whatever[11:06:29] <arfonzo> (I see where I mixed up: one of the reqs is for libx11-dev, not gtk)[11:07:18] <jessicah> node provides an API over webkit[11:07:46] <arfonzo> ok, but I had no idea webkit could do windowing :) I thought that was all in the remit of the programmer to use some external windowing lib.[11:08:05] <jessicah> there's very little ui to vscode :p[11:08:12] <arfonzo> that is awesome, if not though. Makes it a lot easier to port.[11:08:17] <arfonzo> indeed[11:08:29] <jessicah> heh, easier to port...[11:08:58] <jessicah> node + webkit aren't easy things to port... just need to look at webpositive to see how much work it is[11:09:14] <jessicah> and that's not even up to date with webkit2[11:09:19] <arfonzo> right, but if before, I thought it was node + webkit + GTK, it is a lot easier to port, without GTK :)[11:09:38] <jessicah> but node-webkit has been a thing for many years now[11:09:45] <jessicah> I remember when it was new[11:10:09] <jessicah> heh, yes, a dependency on GTK would've been shit :p[11:10:31] <jessicah> anyway, I'd rather write code that uses Haiku APIs directly rather than stuff like x11-dev and such[11:10:37] <arfonzo> aye, I'm definitely not saying it's easy, that's for sure.[11:10:49] <arfonzo> well, I've read this libx11-dev dep is for keymapping functions[11:11:04] <arfonzo> so yes, maybe something could be written specifically to use the native keymapping functions rather than libx11 craps[11:11:51] <arfonzo> https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode/wiki/How-to-Contribute#build-and-run-from-source[11:15:11] <jessicah> mm, one of the problems with both node & go ports for Haiku is the native modules they have[11:15:17] <jessicah> where need actual platform support[11:15:23] <jessicah> so lots of things can't yet do on Haiku[11:15:39] <jessicah> e.g. I tried to get hugo to work on Haiku; but that's a lot of porting effort[11:16:19] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!~vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:16:47] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[11:16:51] <arfonzo> yes, I can imagine this is a huge problem. It's not just node, Code relies on lots of npms, and a lot of those may need work for Haiku, as you say.[11:17:11] <arfonzo> (same with python, ruby gems, perl mods, etc)[11:17:17] <jessicah> yeah[11:17:36] <jessicah> people like to say "oh, it's just javascript!" or whatever, and expect it runs everywhere[11:17:51] <jessicah> but there's always libraries/modules that actually need implementing for the platform[11:17:51] <arfonzo> Code's saying (rather optimistically, IMHO): you just need node (0.6 preferred), and npm. Then they presume all the required npm modules will work, so don't go into that detail :([11:18:17] <jessicah> well, it says explicitly that it needs native modules :p[11:18:26] <jessicah> that usually implies you need platform support[11:18:46] <jessicah> "Code includes node module dependencies that require native compilation"[11:19:29] <jessicah> but yeah, no actual list of what those are :([11:20:24] <arfonzo> yeah. You can pick some of it apart if you go through the "supported" platforms, like the keymap module's libx11-dev dep for Linux, but it'd be nice to have an explicit list. I guess I'm not looking in the right place, it's probably somewhere documented.[11:21:46] *** stux|work <stux|work!~stux@37.48.121.205> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[11:23:09] *** stux|work <stux|work!~stux@37.48.121.205> has joined #haiku[11:25:22] <jessicah> oh well[11:25:31] <jessicah> I'm gonna have a nap, before F1 practice 3 starts[11:27:01] <johnny_b> 8)[11:27:27] <arfonzo> have a good one![11:32:48] *** Bryanstein <Bryanstein!~Bryanstei@shellium/admin/bryanstein> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[11:35:18] *** Bryanstein <Bryanstein!~Bryanstei@shellium/admin/bryanstein> has joined #haiku[11:35:21] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-156-024.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[11:47:25] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-46-76-83-119.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #haiku[11:48:01] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@150.237.94.36> has joined #haiku[12:10:47] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[12:10:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[12:14:42] *** DingoSaar <DingoSaar!~hagen@pD9E08C45.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[12:35:23] * PulkoMandy remembers trying to use maven in a company that did not allow connecting dev machines to internet[12:35:32] <PulkoMandy> I can see your similar problems with npm :)[12:39:23] <arfonzo> haha PulkoMandy, that sounds like it must've gone well... :) :([13:02:30] *** sh1v <sh1v!uid95049@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ndjedljfwlgrntbd> has joined #haiku[13:05:09] <sh1v> Any admins online? I have specific question[13:11:42] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[13:14:56] *** NotGuest10904 <NotGuest10904!~extuser@2001:df0:92:0:4639:c4ff:fe37:2cdc> has joined #haiku[13:16:47] <NotGuest10904> Hi! I was wondering if someone could convert my hvif file to an svg (with Icon-o-matic) for me. I can't find any online converters and installing on Virtualbox is turning out to be harder than I thought.[13:21:11] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df54:60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[13:25:27] *** NotGuest10904 <NotGuest10904!~extuser@2001:df0:92:0:4639:c4ff:fe37:2cdc> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[13:36:16] *** rennj- <rennj-!~vision@host-69-146-167-35.static.bresnan.net> has joined #haiku[13:36:26] *** rennj- is now known as rennj-h[13:37:32] <miqlas> I just ported this programming language to Haiku: http://c0d3.attorney/[13:37:53] <miqlas> Not-ba84: pass me your file.[13:38:24] <miqlas> umm, i meant NotGuest10904[13:39:30] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04e887.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[13:39:30] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[13:40:17] <humdinger> sh1v: never ask to ask, just ask. :)[13:41:18] *** Klima <Klima!~Klima@static-78-8-176-191.ssp.dialog.net.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[13:42:25] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9c1a5.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal)[13:43:07] *** Klima <Klima!~Klima@static-78-8-176-191.ssp.dialog.net.pl> has joined #haiku[13:43:27] <miqlas> humdinger: can't you read? his specific question is: any admins online?[13:43:38] <rennj> * NotGuest10904 has quit (Quit: Leaving)[13:43:41] <miqlas> So answer the question, or stfu :)[13:43:51] <rennj-h> i was going to help them[13:44:02] <rennj-h> boot haiku up in vmware ..nightly[13:44:09] <humdinger> I assumed he had a question for the admins...[13:44:19] <rennj-h> icon-o-matic conversion[13:44:20] <humdinger> and "admin" is a bit blurry...[13:45:08] <humdinger> I'm sure the hvif guy will be back[13:46:02] <PulkoMandy> humdinger: it's multiple guys, apparently someone used an rdef with hvif in some online puzzle context or whatever[13:46:06] <miqlas> i go to buy things.[13:46:09] <miqlas> humdinger: http://c0d3.attorney/[13:46:11] <PulkoMandy> so all the challengers will try to get help[13:46:14] <miqlas> oh, snap![13:46:17] <miqlas> wrong link.[13:46:41] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: I see. Sabotage![13:46:46] <miqlas> humdinger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnocuv_sos0[13:47:41] <miqlas> PulkoMandy: really good idea, i think there is no hvif converter for other platforms.[13:47:52] *** NotGuest10904 <NotGuest10904!~extuser@2001:df0:92:0:4639:c4ff:fe37:2cdc> has joined #haiku[13:48:08] <miqlas> and it isn't just hvif, it ifs rdef, so they need to convert it to hvif first, then to svg, right?[13:48:39] <miqlas> great idea, to get more people install haiku :D[13:49:32] <rennj> resort to gimmicks..should be installed on its own merits[13:50:20] <miqlas> maybe we can contact with the challenge organizers, maybe they can write recipes for us[13:50:34] <humdinger> how does the makefile-engine add a rsrc to a binary?[13:50:58] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9c1a5.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[13:52:25] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:55:54] <humdinger> hmm not really that difficult to do:[13:55:56] *** stargate1 <stargate1!~stargater@x4db9c485.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[13:55:56] <humdinger> rc -o target.rsrc source.rdef[13:55:57] <humdinger> xres -o somebinaryfile target.rsrc[13:56:14] <humdinger> xres can only add the rsrc to a binary?[13:56:41] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9c1a5.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[13:56:44] <humdinger> anyway, from there you can open the icon from its filetpyes addon in IOM and export as svg[13:59:30] *** rennj-h <rennj-h!~vision@host-69-146-167-35.static.bresnan.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[14:03:10] <miqlas> oh, the icon was a "qr-code" like image[14:03:43] <miqlas> It's a CTF challenge, part of ctf.csaw.io[14:05:37] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-156-024.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:05:48] *** fujisan <fujisan!uid4207@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-possozrowwjahakf> has joined #haiku[14:06:38] *** stargate1 <stargate1!~stargater@x4db9c485.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[14:20:08] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@81-225-60-243-no168.bredband.skanova.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:25:05] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@150.237.94.36> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:30:02] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df54:60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:31:05] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@81-225-60-243-no168.bredband.skanova.com> has joined #haiku[14:37:27] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@212.69.17.18> has joined #haiku[14:37:27] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@212.69.17.18> has quit IRC (Changing host)[14:37:27] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has joined #haiku[14:42:58] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@150.237.94.36> has joined #haiku[14:50:42] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db36395.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[14:50:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[14:55:29] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db36395.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[15:05:54] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[15:06:34] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-156-024.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[15:06:47] *** oco2 <oco2!~haiku@brs60-1-88-125-140-2.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[15:12:09] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-156-024.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[15:12:14] *** TwoFx <TwoFx!~TwoFx@tr-v851-hadi-gate.scc.kit.edu> has joined #haiku[15:13:45] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:13:55] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has joined #haiku[15:24:40] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04e887.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[15:46:10] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[15:49:23] *** HaikuUser is now known as Dane__[15:50:18] <Dane__> I wonder if someone might be able to help me in setting up Mail on Haiku. I always fail at some point in getting both incoming and outgoing to work. It's just a standard gmail address. Right now, I have two messages sitting in the Out box that don't appear to be sent.[15:50:34] <Dane__> If I could step through it with somebody, maybe we could figure out what I'm doing wrong.[16:01:17] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:02:17] *** NotGuest10904 <NotGuest10904!~extuser@2001:df0:92:0:4639:c4ff:fe37:2cdc> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:08:09] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-156-024.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[16:12:54] <Dane__> PulkoMandy are you around?[16:13:03] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-156-024.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[16:16:08] <jessicah> Dane__: gmail still doesn't work properly[16:16:44] <Dane__> jessicah OK. I may need to set up a different kind of account online somewhere. What sort of accounts do work reliably?[16:16:54] <Dane__> (with Haiku mail)[16:17:03] <jessicah> yahoo apparently is broken atm[16:17:04] <jessicah> so[16:17:16] <jessicah> dunno, maybe outlook.com?[16:17:47] <Dane__> jessicah Does it have to be "pop?"[16:18:11] <PulkoMandy> Dane__: yes, but I don't use Haiku mail so I can't help much with that[16:18:48] <Dane__> PulkoMandy ok thanks. By "yes," are you answering my question about "pop?"[16:21:26] <jessicah> pop is probably more reliable than imap at this point in time[16:21:40] <Dane__> jessicah ok thanks, that's good to know[16:22:06] <Dane__> I wonder if Gmail might work, if I configure the actual gmail account to work for pop.[16:22:10] <PulkoMandy> I was replying to "are you around" :)[16:22:16] <Dane__> hehe ok[16:22:27] <PulkoMandy> for gmail you probably need to enable "less safe applications" in your google account now[16:22:29] <Dane__> Nice to see you in any case, PulkoMandy. We never talk anymore! :-)[16:22:45] <Dane__> PulkoMandy Ahhh[16:22:56] <PulkoMandy> (they want to force everyone to use OAuth2 instead of just plain old passwords)[16:23:08] <PulkoMandy> if you try without doing it, they will send you a mail with the link to do it[16:23:24] <jessicah> app passwords don't work anymore?[16:23:37] <jessicah> Dane__: mm, pop may work, yeah[16:23:55] <PulkoMandy> not sure for pop but I have the problem with jabber4haiku and their XMPP server[16:25:02] <jessicah> https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833[16:25:15] <mmu_man> Could not resolve symbol '___tls_get_addr'[16:25:16] <mmu_man> :([16:25:21] <jessicah> I use app password for imap on haiku when testing, worked okay[16:26:01] <jessicah> I also use 2FA[16:26:08] <jessicah> PulkoMandy: does that not work for you?[16:27:22] <PulkoMandy> didn't try recently so I don't know[16:27:22] <Dane__> Holy maloney... Mail's "imap connection worker" is burning up the processor right now.[16:27:39] <Dane__> Big processor hit in ProcessController[16:35:41] <Dane__> Vidrep[16:36:57] <Dane__> Vidrep Everybody I've talked to is pretty much stymied on getting Mail to work for them. I need to get it functioning reliably in both sending and receiving directions, even if I have to use a different e-mail account. Can you chat with me about it a little?[16:52:42] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-089-166-246-066.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has joined #haiku[16:52:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[16:54:59] *** js <js!~js@84-72-180-126.dclient.hispeed.ch> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:59:16] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04e887.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[16:59:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[16:59:29] *** js <js!~js@84-72-180-126.dclient.hispeed.ch> has joined #haiku[16:59:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o js[17:00:02] *** js <js!~js@84-72-180-126.dclient.hispeed.ch> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[17:03:47] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9c485.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[17:03:49] <stargater> re[17:07:23] <Vidrep> Hi[17:07:35] <humdinger> Dane__: Hi! Vidrep got the provider telus.net working (dunno if they have free accounts for everyone).[17:08:06] <humdinger> Dane__: I'm using gmx.com as my 2ndary account.[17:08:11] <Vidrep> I got both Telus and Shaw working on both POP3 and IMAP[17:08:28] <humdinger> they offer free accounts for everyone?[17:08:31] <Vidrep> IMAP crashes occasionally[17:08:56] <Vidrep> Yahoo! POP 3 works, but SMTP is a no go[17:09:11] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-156-024.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[17:09:13] <humdinger> yeah, I think it's the same for GMail[17:10:31] <Vidrep> Shaw took a bit of work to figure out since they specify ports and authentication[17:11:23] <humdinger> Zoho.com supposedly works with IMAP and SMTP, but no POP3...[17:11:51] <Vidrep> Dane__how's Cedric these days?[17:12:27] <arfonzo> ahoy friends, AFAIK Yahoo servers need SMTP on port 465 and SSL[17:13:48] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-156-024.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[17:14:25] <Vidrep> arfonzo, correct. It also requires OAuth2.0token[17:16:30] <Vidrep> If anything, Haiku is a good project to learn about such things when trying to get them working[17:17:41] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-46-76-83-119.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[17:18:32] <Vidrep> humdinger, HI!!!!![17:19:16] <Dane__> Vidrep hey, sorry, just saw you there[17:19:40] * humdinger jumps up and down, waving frantically[17:19:49] <Dane__> humdinger :-)[17:19:51] <Dane__> reading the posts above.[17:20:22] <Dane__> Vidrep CD is doing well...proud papa these days. :-)[17:21:11] <Vidrep> Good to know. I'll send him congrats[17:21:22] <Dane__> Vidrep So if you were going to take a notice like me and tell him to set this thing up, what e-mail service online would you recommend? :-)[17:22:01] <Vidrep> The only experience I've had are with the three providers I use[17:22:26] <Vidrep> Until 2 weeks ago I didn't know or care about Haiku email :)[17:22:32] <Dane__> heh[17:22:42] <Dane__> Just need one...which would you suggest?[17:22:45] <Vidrep> Blame humdinger[17:23:14] <humdinger> In what dark corner of Haiku will I send him next... hmm.... :)[17:23:17] <Dane__> guys, excuse me, have to do a quick reboot, be right back[17:23:22] *** Dane__ <Dane__!vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[17:23:32] <Vidrep> As far as I know Telus and Shaw email is only for people who subscribe to their internet services[17:24:26] <Vidrep> This week's dark corner is GPT partitioned drives and getting them to boot[17:24:45] <humdinger> GMX is free, but there's a lot of "gmx info mail" and spam. I just keep it round, because I've had my private email accunt there for the last 15+ years or something[17:25:23] * humdinger hands a torch to Vidrep[17:25:28] <Vidrep> jessicah was a big help last night[17:29:21] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has joined #haiku[17:29:24] <Vidrep> Apparently the Haiku installer does not write the MBR to GPT partitions like it does for Intel partitions; it has to be done manually[17:29:25] <HaikuUser> re[17:29:44] <humdinger> /nick Dane_is_back[17:29:55] <humdinger> I assume[17:29:59] *** HaikuUser is now known as Dane__[17:30:01] <Dane__> :-)[17:30:06] <humdinger> wb[17:30:09] <Dane__> thx[17:30:09] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-46-169-224-218.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #haiku[17:30:12] <Dane__> reading the backlog[17:30:18] <Dane__> atrus catsup :-)[17:30:25] <humdinger> if only...[17:30:52] <Dane__> humdinger I know, right?[17:31:06] <Dane__> I still miss BeShare...wish we were all over there instead.[17:31:09] <Dane__> Never been a great fan of IRC[17:31:29] <humdinger> for chatting it's not that different.[17:31:38] <Dane__> pasting text is a royal pain[17:31:47] <Dane__> I do so much of that.[17:31:53] <humdinger> In Vision?[17:31:57] <Dane__> in IRC generally[17:32:20] <Dane__> Paste in IRC and get kicked out into the dark streets :-)[17:32:41] <humdinger> hmm... there's just the alert to "spam" or "one line" paste.[17:32:55] <humdinger> people don't like huge pastes, of course.[17:33:00] <Dane__> And then if you do choose spam, it adds a line at a time in slow motion[17:33:03] <humdinger> but there's sprunge for that[17:33:10] <Dane__> workarounds[17:33:27] <Dane__> Beshare, I go priv with you and do CTRL-V --- boom[17:33:37] <PulkoMandy> the warning can be disabled in vision settings[17:34:01] * humdinger shamelessly plugs Clipdinger for easy sprunging[17:34:20] <Dane__> Nobody gets where I'm at. It's ok.[17:34:39] <Vidrep> Join the club[17:34:45] <humdinger> You don't like the slow line-by-line[17:34:46] <PulkoMandy> apparently the anti-flood delay is not configurable however, we should add that (or just disable it, if you paste something too big it is right that you get kicked, and even more annoying if it keeps sending one line per second for hours)[17:34:56] <Dane__> I just think BeShare is easier and more intuitive, and none of the hassles with logins, etc.[17:35:05] <Dane__> Nick struggles[17:35:23] <humdinger> there are advantages of course.[17:35:38] <humdinger> OTOH, we can welcome man more newbies here.[17:35:41] <PulkoMandy> let's have someone build an IRC/BeShare bridge :>[17:35:42] <humdinger> *many[17:35:49] <Vidrep> I can see where sending files would be an asset[17:40:35] <humdinger> Can anyone still reproduce this? https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/7711[17:44:12] <Dane__> So, looking into GMX[17:45:27] <Dane__> Ultimately it would sure be nice if Haiku just supported Gmail right out of the box. Put in your username and password, boom, done. Would make a lot of people happy I suspect.[17:45:35] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, is there any easy way to get the Haiku installer to writembr on GPT disks?[17:45:39] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.125.61> has joined #haiku[17:45:59] <PulkoMandy> the Installer is not involved, it must not touch the MBR[17:46:12] <PulkoMandy> it's up to the partitionning add-on in drivesetup to do it[17:46:47] <PulkoMandy> probably not too difficult to add there, if our MBR code is compatible with GPT (I think it is)[17:47:32] <Vidrep> The way it is right now, you need to boot the Haiku partition with the install CD before you can open a terminal and writembr[17:47:57] <Dane__> Hey, what's the trick to getting Qupzilla to remember its settings? It always used to, doesn't seem to anymore.[17:48:03] <humdinger> Dane__: yes. that's how it would work already - mailadress, password, go! unfortunately something other than the configuring in the Mail prefs doesn't work.[17:48:04] <PulkoMandy> you can run writembr or similar tools from any other OS[17:48:25] <Dane__> humdinger So close yet so far. :-)[17:48:37] <PulkoMandy> but yes, a default MBR code should be added[17:48:55] <Vidrep> What's the difficulty level in doing that?[17:48:59] <humdinger> Dane__: I have this script to start qupzilla. Achtung spamming...:[17:49:01] <humdinger> #!/bin/sh[17:49:01] <humdinger> cd "$(dirname "$(readlink -f "$0")")"[17:49:02] <humdinger> QT_PLUGIN_PATH="$(dirname "$(readlink -f "$0")")"/qtplugins ./qupzilla[17:50:11] <humdinger> and ~/.config/quzilla is a link to /boot/home/config/settings/Qt/.config/qupzilla[17:50:49] <Vidrep> As these large HD's become more commonplace we're going to be seeing a lot of people commenting about an inability to boot[17:50:52] *** vikt0r <vikt0r!~victor@net-93-70-156-246.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[17:51:37] <humdinger> Dane__: you can duplicate /boot/home/config/settings/Mail/ProviderInfo/gmx.de and rename to gmx.com to enable "auto-fill" of the config in Mail preferences.[17:51:58] <humdinger> Should work with the same mail server settings, I expect.[17:52:47] <Vidrep> humdinger, it's probably the same as with Yahoo.com and Yahoo.ca[17:52:48] <Dane__> humdinger reading the above...[17:53:41] <humdinger> Vidrep: once one Yahoo account works, we can add the rest of the family[17:53:54] <Dane__> humdinger Thanks...copying that...and there again, wish I could read what you pasted without all that stuff at the start of each line.[17:54:16] <humdinger> http://sprunge.us/RSWA[17:54:23] <Dane__> workaround hack :-)[17:54:39] <Dane__> but thanks[17:54:42] <humdinger> :)[17:54:59] <Dane__> I don't mean your script...the pastebin thing[17:55:16] <Dane__> humdinger appreciate it...do you think I could put those two lines right into my userbootscript?[17:55:39] <humdinger> No. You have to start QupZilla like this.[17:56:02] <humdinger> i.e. add a nice icon to the script and put a link on the Desktop or wherever. :)[17:56:07] <Dane__> so I'd save it as a script, and then invoke the script from bootscript instead.[17:56:10] <Dane__> Right?[17:56:33] <humdinger> No. Instead of doubleclicking the QupZilla binary, you doubleclick the script[17:56:34] <Dane__> Well, no sorry...I'm catching up slowly[17:56:38] <Dane__> Sure, gotcha.[17:57:04] <humdinger> The script has to be alongside the QupZilla binary[17:57:09] <humdinger> same folder, I mean[17:57:19] <Dane__> ahh[17:57:20] <Dane__> ok[17:57:39] <humdinger> another workaround hack. you'll love it.[17:58:07] <Dane__> Looks like he binary is in a read-only folder.[17:59:16] <humdinger> I'm using QupZilla 1.7.0 with Qt v5.3.1 portable in non-packaged/apps.[17:59:24] <humdinger> Ii didn't get it from HaikUDepot[17:59:29] <Dane__> k[17:59:33] <Dane__> Thaniks[18:04:25] <humdinger> Dane__: You can also put the script anywhere writable.[18:04:32] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: adding the MBR sounds like a 5 minute task to me. GCI level. But I could be wrong :)[18:04:47] <humdinger> Dane__: Remove the 2nd line (cd "$(dirname "$(readlink -f "$0")")")[18:05:03] <humdinger> Dane__and change the 3rd line to: QT_PLUGIN_PATH="---path-to-your-Qupzilla-folder/qtplugins" "---path-to-your-Qupzilla-folder/qupzilla"[18:05:22] *** sh1v <sh1v!uid95049@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ndjedljfwlgrntbd> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[18:05:38] <humdinger> the path is probably: /system/apps/QupZilla I guess[18:10:03] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-156-024.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[18:11:28] *** Malmis <Malmis!~malmis@h-155-4-131-83.na.cust.bahnhof.se> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:11:57] *** knarf <knarf!~knarf@89-159-149-97.rev.numericable.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[18:13:45] *** DCatt <DCatt!~vision@pool-71-113-9-65.rcmdva.east.verizon.net> has joined #haiku[18:14:27] <DCatt> Greetings to all in Haiku Nation :-)[18:14:31] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-156-024.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[18:16:21] <humdinger> Hello Haiku patriot :)[18:20:49] <humdinger> Dane__: JFYI, gmx.com shows slightly different settings that what's in our gmx.de providerinfo. You may want to give those a try, if the gmx.de settings don't work.[18:20:52] <humdinger> See https://support.gmx.com/pop-imap/pop3/serverdata.html[18:21:24] <humdinger> You can set a specific port by suffixing a : and the port.[18:21:28] <arfonzo> hey guys, so apparently, I've just configured outlook.com to work in Haiku[18:21:41] <arfonzo> with IMAP, and sending via SMTP is ok too[18:21:44] <humdinger> i.e. pop.gmx.com:995 and mail.gmx.com:587[18:22:12] * humdinger points arfonzo to https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/new-or-corrected-email-provider-info-anyone/4326[18:24:21] <humdinger> food, now.[18:24:24] * humdinger is idle: dinner[18:26:47] *** zephjc <zephjc!~Adium@2607:fcc8:bdcf:e900:1499:294e:d213:b0dc> has joined #haiku[18:27:06] <arfonzo> humdinger, I'm going to hold off posting settings there until it completed retrieving all items in my mailbox[18:27:41] <arfonzo> I can see it downloading my mail, but I just want to confirm it's checking for new mail, which I think it can't do until it's downloaded the 30,000 old items first. :|[18:28:01] *** _Dario <_Dario!vision@181.47.131.95> has joined #haiku[18:37:42] *** Anirudh <Anirudh!~anirudh@122.164.25.12> has joined #haiku[18:38:38] *** mikeh <mikeh!~mikeh@S010600259ce59399.vn.shawcable.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:38:44] <Anirudh> Hello[18:38:47] <Anirudh> Anyone?[18:39:08] *** mikeh <mikeh!~mikeh@S010600259ce59399.vn.shawcable.net> has joined #haiku[18:39:36] <Anirudh> I've trouble building Haiku.[18:40:01] <Anirudh> https://www.haiku-os.org/articles/2015-02-05_building_haiku_mac_os_x_1010_yosemite[18:40:19] <Anirudh> I've done every step mentioned here. On building process, I get an error:[18:40:28] <Anirudh> BUILD FAILURE:[18:40:28] <Anirudh> ...failed updating 1 target(s)...[18:40:28] <Anirudh> ...skipped 7 target(s)...[18:40:30] <Anirudh> ...updated 54 target(s)...[18:40:34] <Anirudh> Any idea?[18:41:02] <jessicah> need to know what target failed :p[18:41:11] <mmu_man> yeah[18:41:18] <mmu_man> you'll want to jam -q[18:41:31] <Anirudh> This was the command I ran[18:41:32] <Anirudh> jam -q -j2 @image[18:41:52] <mmu_man> ok then look up in the log[18:42:49] <Anirudh> let me see[18:44:29] <Anirudh> "/bin/sh: line 1: gawk: command not found"[18:44:36] <Anirudh> found this in the log[18:45:09] <jessicah> then install gawk :p[18:45:21] <Anirudh> oops :P[18:45:30] <Anirudh> sorry, I'm a beginner[18:46:11] <jessicah> did you skip the lines: sudo port install cdrtools gawk wget nasm less mpfr gmp libmpc OR brew install cdrtools gawk wget nasm homebrew/dupes/less mpfr gmp libmpc[18:46:14] <jessicah> ;)[18:46:26] *** zephjc <zephjc!~Adium@2607:fcc8:bdcf:e900:1499:294e:d213:b0dc> has left #haiku[18:47:01] <Anirudh> When trying to install gawk, it says it's already installed, but not linked.[18:47:06] <mmu_man> OR meaning either with macports or with homebrew :p[18:47:22] <Anirudh> @jessicah those lines weren't mentioned in https://www.haiku-os.org/articles/2015-02-05_building_haiku_mac_os_x_1010_yosemite :P[18:47:25] <Anirudh> I use homebrew[18:47:43] <jessicah> Anirudh: that's where I copied those from[18:47:54] <Anirudh> geez found it[18:47:55] <Anirudh> my bad[18:48:05] <Anirudh> let me try now[18:52:20] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db36395.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[18:52:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[18:52:59] <Anirudh> brew install cdrtools gawk wget nasm homebrew/dupes/less mpfr gmp libmpc[18:53:02] <Anirudh> After running this[18:53:11] *** arroyoc <arroyoc!~arroyoc@46.136.225.153> has joined #haiku[18:53:19] <Anirudh> I get sayiny, already installed[18:53:28] <Anirudh> gawk is installed, it's just not linked[18:53:35] <Anirudh> and also says "You can link formula with `brew link gawk`"[18:53:44] <Anirudh> When I go ahread with brew link gawk[18:53:57] <Anirudh> Could not symlink share/man/man3/filefuncs.3am[18:53:58] <Anirudh> /usr/local/share/man/man3 is not writable.[18:54:15] <jessicah> maybe you just need sudo brew link gawk?[18:54:22] <jessicah> I've never used brew[18:56:01] <Anirudh> Running Homebrew as root is extremely dangerous and no longer supported.[18:56:01] <Anirudh> As Homebrew does not drop privileges on installation you would be giving all[18:56:01] <Anirudh> build scripts full access to your system.[18:56:07] <Anirudh> uh-oh :([18:56:13] <Anirudh> Shud I proceed with macports then??[18:56:37] <jessicah> then maybe sudo chmod a+w /usr/local/share/man/man3 perhaps?[18:56:46] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db36395.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[18:56:53] <jessicah> seems strange to me[18:56:55] <Anirudh> "sudo chown -R $(whoami) /usr/local"[18:57:02] <Anirudh> ran this, followed by link[18:57:11] <Anirudh> 22 symlinks created :D[18:57:25] <jessicah> :)[18:57:59] <jessicah> okay, gonna go sleep[18:58:01] <jessicah> later (:[18:58:19] <Anirudh> Good night! :)[19:05:57] *** arroyoc <arroyoc!~arroyoc@46.136.225.153> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[19:10:54] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-156-024.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[19:15:32] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-156-024.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[19:27:52] <mmu_man> https://twitter.com/mmu_man/status/797505829062737921[19:33:35] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[19:37:50] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-156-024.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[19:38:40] *** Anirudh <Anirudh!~anirudh@122.164.25.12> has quit IRC ()[19:39:03] *** Anirudh <Anirudh!~anirudh@122.164.25.12> has joined #haiku[19:39:32] *** Anirudh <Anirudh!~anirudh@122.164.25.12> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[19:48:24] *** Lelldorin1 <Lelldorin1!~lelldorin@x4e36881d.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[19:49:15] *** Lelldorin1 <Lelldorin1!~lelldorin@x4e36881d.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[19:50:40] *** Guest59 <Guest59!~textual@122.164.25.12> has joined #haiku[19:51:54] *** Anirudh <Anirudh!7aa4190c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.122.164.25.12> has joined #haiku[19:52:41] *** Guest59 <Guest59!~textual@122.164.25.12> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[19:53:06] *** AnirudhM <AnirudhM!~textual@122.164.25.12> has joined #haiku[19:53:13] *** AnirudhM <AnirudhM!~textual@122.164.25.12> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[19:53:21] *** Dane__ <Dane__!vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[19:53:57] *** Anirudh_ <Anirudh_!~textual@122.164.25.12> has joined #haiku[19:54:13] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[19:54:24] *** Anirudh <Anirudh!7aa4190c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.122.164.25.12> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:09:33] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has joined #haiku[20:09:45] <Anirudh_> BUILD FAILURE:[20:09:45] <Anirudh_> ...failed updating 4 target(s)...[20:09:45] <Anirudh_> ...skipped 714 target(s)...[20:09:45] <Anirudh_> ...updated 240 target(s)...[20:09:51] <Anirudh_> Referenced from: /Volumes/Disk2/haiku/generated/objects/darwin/x86_64/release/tools/settype[20:09:52] <Anirudh_> Reason: image not found[20:09:56] <Anirudh_> Any idea guys? :([20:11:39] <PulkoMandy> you need to look earlier in the log for the targets which failed[20:12:04] <PulkoMandy> (it can be a lot earlier if you build with -j4 or similar, use no -j option if you can't find it)[20:12:52] <Anirudh_> I built it with -j4[20:12:56] <Anirudh_> Should I do with -j2?[20:13:01] <Anirudh_> I'll give it a try![20:26:14] <Anirudh_> dyld: Library not loaded[20:26:40] <Anirudh_> "/Volumes/Disk/haiku/generated/objects/darwin/x86_64/release/build/libgnuregex/libgnuregex_build.so"[20:26:55] <Anirudh_> This is my old path, my new path is in "/Volumes/Disk2"[20:27:19] <Anirudh_> Why is dyld still trying to load from Disk? How do I change its path to load from Disk2?[20:30:03] <PulkoMandy> you need to re-run the configure script most likely[20:30:08] <PulkoMandy> ./configure --update[20:30:11] <PulkoMandy> then run jam again[20:30:51] <Anirudh_> I tried, all other files are loaded from Disk2 except this. 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