November 8, 2016 
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November 8, 2016 [00:00:13] <AlienSoldier> i also have something happening a lot about BMediaFile::_UnInit()[00:05:07] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:05:21] *** DCatt <DCatt!~vision@pool-71-113-9-65.rcmdva.east.verizon.net> has joined #haiku[00:06:40] <AlienSoldier> it might be counterproductive in some situation, but having the OS report crash itself (with the ok of the user as a pref setting) would really be nice[00:07:10] <AlienSoldier> like writing the report to a ftp server or something[00:13:08] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-81-237-9.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:13:21] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-147-192-196.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[00:13:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[00:14:19] *** Drakevr <Drakevr!~null@drakevr.gr> has quit IRC (Changing host)[00:14:19] *** Drakevr <Drakevr!~null@unaffiliated/drakevr> has joined #haiku[00:25:48] <Vidrep> AlienSoldier, "having the OS report crash itself (with the ok of the user as a pref setting) would really be nice". I have a ticket for that too. https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/10329[00:29:00] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[00:30:14] <AlienSoldier> it could even be parse automaticaly and have it displaying on the main haiku-OS site to show the "state of the union"[00:30:45] <AlienSoldier> with amount of crash/user, in total, per subsystem etc...[00:31:24] <AlienSoldier> that would give a good overview of wannabe patch commiter to have ideas on what to work on.[00:31:52] <AlienSoldier> like a "big data" analysis of the OS if you want[00:38:03] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[00:38:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[00:40:00] *** rdad <rdad!~rdad@c-98-206-31-153.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[00:40:13] <rdad> howdy[00:41:06] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!~dario@186.23.61.157> has joined #haiku[00:50:46] <Vidrep> Hi Barrett[00:50:52] <Barrett> hi[00:51:00] <rdad> hi[00:51:08] <Vidrep> Hi _Dario_(unspacyar)[00:51:26] <rdad> cy = ch?[00:51:27] <_Dario_> hello Vidrep ![00:55:55] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has joined #haiku[00:58:38] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df54:60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:00:30] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:01:08] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x55b32882.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[01:01:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[01:01:32] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[01:03:20] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df54:60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[01:05:16] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x55b32882.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[01:15:32] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[01:25:23] *** hecliunyx <hecliunyx!~h@45.63.76.107> has joined #haiku[01:28:07] *** qptain_Nemo <qptain_Nemo!~qN@37.204.239.206> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[01:29:56] *** qptain_Nemo <qptain_Nemo!~qN@37.204.239.206> has joined #haiku[01:30:01] *** rdad <rdad!~rdad@c-98-206-31-153.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:40:16] <Vidrep> Barrett, anything new?[01:41:16] *** oco2 <oco2!~haiku@brs60-1-88-125-140-2.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[01:41:42] *** qptain_Nemo <qptain_Nemo!~qN@37.204.239.206> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:43:21] *** qptain_Nemo <qptain_Nemo!~qN@37.204.239.206> has joined #haiku[01:45:57] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[01:46:48] <Barrett> might be that I join a startup but I'm still evaluating that[01:47:28] <Barrett> so not much time for Haiku recently[01:48:55] <Vidrep> Mixed news, good and bad[01:49:36] <Vidrep> Good luck with the job, and hoping you have time for Haiku[01:51:27] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-gzfudxpsskgiboby> has joined #haiku[01:52:55] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-gzfudxpsskgiboby> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[02:01:40] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has joined #haiku[02:04:54] <tchbnl> Dyson have released a new cinetic-less canister. I assume this means they have finally accepted defeat. Viva la prefilter![02:13:04] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[02:18:35] *** bitkid <bitkid!~bitkid@x1-6-c0-ff-d4-9c-db-ec.cpe.webspeed.dk> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[02:18:46] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-mnmxudibfdhjjjoq> has joined #haiku[02:18:58] *** bitkid <bitkid!~bitkid@x1-6-c0-ff-d4-9c-db-ec.cpe.webspeed.dk> has joined #haiku[02:26:58] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-mnmxudibfdhjjjoq> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[02:27:00] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[02:40:21] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[02:59:10] *** DCatt <DCatt!~vision@pool-71-113-9-65.rcmdva.east.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-090423]: i've been blurred!)[03:04:03] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:04:09] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[03:04:34] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:05:00] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[03:09:32] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[03:19:44] *** qptain_Nemo <qptain_Nemo!~qN@37.204.239.206> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:26:01] <SMCollins> Barrett: Hi[03:30:11] <Barrett> Hi SMCollins[03:33:35] <SMCollins> hows things ?[03:41:41] <AlienSoldier> one nice things about the latest webkit is that i seem to be able to paste into a website i was not able to before[03:42:12] <AlienSoldier> it allow me a workaround to another problem i still have with it[03:42:29] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df54:60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:46:02] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[03:47:26] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-hhmshwlttipiixkk> has joined #haiku[03:47:51] <SMCollins> the newer webkit seems better, still seems really buggy and missing a bunch of html5 compliane stuff[03:51:45] <AlienSoldier> yes, lot buggier[03:52:24] <AlienSoldier> funny thing is one of the problem i have now was not present on my other ISP, seem thing can be ISP specific, talk about net neutrality :)[03:52:37] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~John@75-172-43-86.tukw.qwest.net> has joined #haiku[03:52:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[03:57:12] <Skipp_OSX> BeGeistert is over right?[03:57:59] <SMCollins> yes, only a few days of code sprint sadly[03:58:21] <SMCollins> AlienSoldier: yeah most of the buggs seem to be in the network kit IMHO[04:00:29] 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#haiku[09:54:01] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-188-106-144-019.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[09:58:39] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-188-106-144-019.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[10:04:22] <arfonzo> ahoy, friends[10:04:35] <arfonzo> PulkoMandy, seems running out of disk space is the haiku theme of the month :([10:08:23] <arfonzo> hm...[10:08:25] <arfonzo> 2016-11-08 07:18:16,144: starting build 9388, libqt4_x86-4.8.7 on builder arfonzo_vbox[10:08:41] <arfonzo> libqt4 is supposed to be build 9388, but the json is showing the last build number that failed, 8805. interesting.[10:09:33] <arfonzo> ah, maybe my mirror's just behind, seems ok on your site[10:22:57] <arfonzo> my bad. With some minor modifications, I'm now displaying all past build numbers, and linking to the logs for the historical builds. Could be cleaner, but at least let's us easily dig into the multiple builds' log files for packages that are tried multiple times, for whatever reason[10:24:26] *** kieselW <kieselW!~steini@81.27.169.82> has joined #haiku[10:30:43] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke)[10:32:51] *** TwoFx <TwoFx!~TwoFx@tr-v851-hadi-gate.scc.kit.edu> has joined #haiku[10:33:31] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04cfc0.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[10:38:10] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[10:39:47] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has joined #haiku[10:54:46] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-188-106-144-019.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[10:59:28] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-188-106-144-019.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[11:15:59] *** 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I <3 haiku[14:03:40] <Feitan> but haiku.. doesnt love me back, just like what she did on me[14:03:41] <Feitan> awwww[14:30:40] *** zzzzzzzzz <zzzzzzzzz!~vision@user-188-33-54-171.play-internet.pl> has joined #haiku[14:31:39] *** zzzzzzzzz is now known as zenine[14:58:07] *** kieselW <kieselW!~steini@81.27.169.82> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[14:58:18] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-188-106-144-019.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[15:03:04] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-188-106-144-019.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[15:11:29] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-ppebbdifmctcagcw> has joined #haiku[15:17:01] *** regreg <regreg!regreg@85.121.54.224> has joined #haiku[15:26:46] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@c-98-209-68-103.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[15:26:52] *** HaikuUser is now known as SMCollins[15:27:16] <SMCollins> morning, I just saw a crash in my buildbot[15:35:43] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[15:38:18] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@99-127-246-190.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net> has joined #haiku[15:40:13] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[15:43:00] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@99-127-246-190.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[15:43:48] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@99-127-246-190.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net> has joined #haiku[15:46:23] *** zenine <zenine!~vision@user-188-33-54-171.play-internet.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[15:48:03] *** eddy_b <eddy_b!~eddyb@ipd50ab3d6.speed.planet.nl> has joined #haiku[15:49:08] *** HaikuUser is now known as jake2[15:49:08] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db4d9e9.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[15:49:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[15:51:47] <jake2> running Haiku on a 6x4 inch Vortex86DX - barely runs Vision @800MHz[15:52:56] <jake2> 99% cpu[15:53:50] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db4d9e9.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[15:54:40] <mmu_man> odd[15:55:02] <jake2> uSD - to - IDE storage prob doesn't help[15:57:14] <jake2> embedded industrial comes with *ancient* linux - no X[15:59:13] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-188-106-144-019.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[16:00:25] <jake2> have CF coming - maybe will be better. hoping[16:03:15] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-188-106-144-019.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[16:03:31] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04cfc0.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[16:03:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[16:06:02] <jake2> cpu slowly builds to 99,, then drops to 70, then back up again[16:13:02] <jake2> i586 compat issues - webpositive throws illegal instruction[16:14:37] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[16:15:57] *** kieselW <kieselW!~steini@81.27.169.82> has joined #haiku[16:20:17] *** xemdetia <xemdetia!~xemdetia@129.42.208.167> has joined #haiku[16:22:00] <jake2> does OK as headless access point (freebsd) - Haiku might be stretch for hardware[16:24:26] *** jake2 <jake2!~vision@99-127-246-190.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[16:27:24] *** xemdetia <xemdetia!~xemdetia@129.42.208.167> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[16:28:04] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-ppebbdifmctcagcw> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[16:28:51] *** xemdetia <xemdetia!~xemdetia@129.42.208.167> has joined #haiku[16:30:09] *** hako_ <hako_!~hako@2a01:388:394:112::1:4> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[16:34:33] <humdinger> Hi PulkoMandy![16:34:45] <humdinger> Any way to use Material Icons with Web+?[16:35:11] <mmu_man> install the font manually ?[16:35:26] <humdinger> doesn't seem to work...[16:35:45] <humdinger> I dl'ed and installed https://github.com/google/material-design-icons/blob/master/iconfont/MaterialIcons-Regular.ttf[16:36:00] <humdinger> but the GCI site still doesn't show icons.[16:36:10] <humdinger> I can't see any in CHaracterMap either[16:38:23] <humdinger> looks like the browser needs to support " ligatures" ? See http://google.github.io/material-design-icons/#icon-font-for-the-web[16:38:48] <humdinger> The icon doesn't show if the code says: "<i class="material-icons">face</i>" on that site.[16:39:01] <humdinger> But I see an icon where they use "<i class="material-icons"></i>"[16:40:28] *** XeonSquared <XeonSquared!~ShadowKat@210-1-213-55-cpe.spintel.net.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[16:45:17] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[16:45:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[16:46:20] *** XeonSquared <XeonSquared!~ShadowKat@210-1-213-55-cpe.spintel.net.au> has joined #haiku[16:46:22] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@99-127-246-190.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net> has joined #haiku[16:47:28] *** HaikuUser is now known as jake2[16:55:17] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has joined #haiku[16:59:58] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-188-106-144-019.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[17:03:33] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: GeneralDuke)[17:03:39] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[17:03:54] <Vidrep> Good morning[17:04:06] *** eddy_b <eddy_b!~eddyb@ipd50ab3d6.speed.planet.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[17:04:14] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-188-106-144-019.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[17:07:13] <humdinger> Evening[17:07:19] *** Klima <Klima!~Klima@static-78-8-176-191.ssp.dialog.net.pl> has joined #haiku[17:10:26] <bbjimmy> Good morning[17:11:00] <Vidrep> Is anybody else experiencing issues with the logs created by SerialConnect?[17:12:28] <Vidrep> I was testing some PCIe USB 3.0 cards this morning and the serial logs are intermittently having encoding problems.[17:12:41] <Vidrep> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13032#comment:4[17:12:58] <Vidrep> bbjimmy, humdinger - Hi!!![17:13:19] <humdinger> never used SerialConnect[17:13:32] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[17:13:33] <bbjimmy> me neither.[17:14:19] <bbjimmy> not since BeOS days when I used it to set-up a serial modem.[17:14:54] <Vidrep> You guys don't know what you're missing ;)[17:16:48] <humdinger> I wished somebody would fix Pe to be launchable from an app using "be_roster->Launch()".[17:16:53] <Vidrep> It's a handy tool to have when testing hardware[17:17:03] <humdinger> It spoils the fun with QuickLaunch and also viewing the page source under web+[17:17:32] <Barrett> humdinger, doesn't look an hard task[17:18:01] <humdinger> OK... I dare you... :)[17:18:49] <Vidrep> Hi Barrett[17:21:34] *** jake2 <jake2!~vision@99-127-246-190.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[17:22:33] <humdinger> Barrett: see https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12534[17:22:50] <humdinger> zephjc said he'd look into it apparently.[17:23:09] <humdinger> Twas some time ago. maybe not as easy after all.[17:26:33] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has joined #haiku[17:28:45] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-rkoexcyebxphszxh> has joined #haiku[17:29:38] *** hako_ <hako_!~hako@2a01:388:394:112::1:4> has joined #haiku[17:30:29] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[17:35:16] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[17:40:26] *** knarf <knarf!~knarf@89-159-149-97.rev.numericable.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[17:41:58] <Vidrep> Who is handling USB 3 hardware issues?[17:42:21] <Klima> :)[17:42:29] <Vidrep> I have a ticket, but nobody is assigned: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13056[17:42:37] <Klima> hard to run ;)[17:42:57] <humdinger> up for grabs then...[17:43:10] <humdinger> hey, hey, not all at once... :)[17:43:20] <Vidrep> I saw kallisti5 was looking at it a bit last week[17:43:51] <Vidrep> "it" being USB 3 devices, not my ticket[17:45:33] <Vidrep> humdinger, how about you? :D[17:46:10] <humdinger> I'm qualified. I own a USB3 harddisk... :P[17:47:01] <Vidrep> Building an entire OS is a tough gig. Those guys who started Haiku must have been insane[17:48:04] <humdinger> obviously. there was a nice optimistic energy all around back then.[17:48:21] <humdinger> of course over the ears the number of devs dwindled a bit...[17:48:28] <humdinger> *years :)[17:48:35] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-rkoexcyebxphszxh> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[17:48:35] <Vidrep> ...as the reality set in...[17:49:27] <humdinger> yes. and of course there was also much more-talk-tha-actionn :)[17:49:49] <Vidrep> After 15 years we still don't have support for some 10 year old hardware, never mind the new stuff, which seems to change overnight[17:51:10] <humdinger> right. one has to choose carefully, but the hw-support isn't exotic.[17:51:27] <Vidrep> In spite of Haiku's shortcomings, I think the people who worked on it then and now have done a hell of a good job[17:51:28] <humdinger> I got a run-of-the-mill notebook and it works very well.[17:53:37] <Vidrep> If you choose a PC with the right hardware combination, Haiku works like a charm.[17:54:59] <Vidrep> My main Haiku PC is a Dell Optiplex 780 USFF (Ultra Small Form Factor) 91/2in x 91/2in in sise[17:55:07] <Vidrep> size[17:55:58] <humdinger> cute[17:56:01] <Vidrep> Everything works, including the Intel graphics[17:56:39] <humdinger> mmm. VESA here...[17:58:12] <Vidrep> I have it connected through a KVM switch and serial null cable to another desktop, which has all the slots for testing various video cards, etc[17:58:39] <humdinger> you're our one-man HW test centre[17:58:48] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-zboztejfrnbwcfrq> has joined #haiku[17:59:10] <Vidrep> Probably not, but I'm trying to do my part :)[18:00:47] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-188-106-144-019.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[18:01:14] *** kieselW <kieselW!~steini@81.27.169.82> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[18:01:25] <Vidrep> I also have these two PC's networked through a 5-Port Gigabit Desktop Switch to a pair of printers and my Windows PC upstairs[18:02:26] <Vidrep> It's like a little Haiku laboratory in my basement[18:02:49] <Vidrep> I guess that makes me the "Mad Scientist" LOL[18:03:41] *** miqlas_ <miqlas_!~miqlas@dslb-188-106-144-019.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[18:04:02] <humdinger> looks like everything's set up to chain us some devs in your basement...[18:05:20] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-188-106-144-019.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[18:08:30] *** Balthasar|HPWork <Balthasar|HPWork!~mmanley@173-247-175-186.static-ip.telepacific.net> has joined #haiku[18:12:00] *** mesamoo <mesamoo!~dh64@174-21-177-236.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[18:12:58] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db4d9e9.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[18:12:58] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[18:13:38] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, regarding your comment: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13032#comment:5[18:14:09] <Vidrep> Is this a bug that can be fixed, or are we stuck with the status quo?[18:15:18] <Vidrep> humdinger, are you at home now, or still at work?[18:15:31] <humdinger> @home[18:16:43] <Vidrep> Are you working on anything specific - Haiku related?[18:17:19] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-zboztejfrnbwcfrq> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[18:17:25] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db4d9e9.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[18:17:30] <humdinger> I was about to file a Web+ bug.[18:17:40] <humdinger> And I'll post a gci announcement to the site.[18:17:49] <humdinger> and add GCI to the event calender[18:18:16] <humdinger> then I wanted to think about how we could make adding screenshots etc. GCI tasks.[18:18:25] <humdinger> (in HaikuDepot)[18:18:45] <Vidrep> I wonder if we'll get any repeat students from last year[18:19:16] <humdinger> I wonder if we have enough interesting tasks...[18:21:29] *** miqlas_ <miqlas_!~miqlas@dslb-188-106-144-019.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC ()[18:21:33] <Vidrep> What kind of feedback did we get from the students themselves insofar as the tasks?[18:22:18] <humdinger> we have to fill in the tasks first. and students first have to apply.[18:22:25] <humdinger> it all opened just yesterday.[18:22:34] <Vidrep> I mean previous years[18:22:51] <humdinger> some were missing more difficult tasks.[18:23:08] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@99-127-246-190.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net> has joined #haiku[18:23:21] <humdinger> otherwise, you always get mixed feedback. :)[18:23:27] <humdinger> Now dinner. .)[18:23:33] * humdinger is idle: dinner[18:23:35] *** HaikuUser is now known as jamesR[18:23:43] <Vidrep> So, some found that the tasks were not challenging enough?[18:24:01] <jamesR> How to extract hpkg to a directory to look at it?[18:24:53] <Vidrep> Open with Expander[18:25:03] <jamesR> tnx[18:25:38] <Vidrep> Show contents or extract to destination folder[18:32:13] *** jamesR <jamesR!~vision@99-127-246-190.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[18:49:28] *** knarf <knarf!~knarf@89-159-149-97.rev.numericable.fr> has joined #haiku[18:51:05] *** hako_ <hako_!~hako@2a01:388:394:112::1:4> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[18:51:40] *** hako_ <hako_!~hako@5.151.176.16> has joined #haiku[18:51:56] *** Anarchos <Anarchos!~K@35.58.135.77.rev.sfr.net> has joined #haiku[18:54:27] * humdinger has returned[18:57:36] <Vidrep> Looking at this old ticket: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/1729[18:58:24] <Vidrep> It doesn't look like any Radeon card as old as thses will ever be supported in Haiku[18:59:10] <humdinger> who knows. could be a CS archeology project in 2050...[18:59:16] <Vidrep> This would be all the X**** ATI cards[19:01:40] <Vidrep> Some decision should be made for these. Either they are deemed obsolete and will not be supported in Haiku, or we start writing drivers.[19:01:51] *** pebble` <pebble`!~pebble@unaffiliated/espiral> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[19:03:42] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[19:04:08] *** pebble` <pebble`!~pebble@unaffiliated/espiral> has joined #haiku[19:04:33] <humdinger> As long as it's not suggested anywhere that these cards were supported, why mention them or make a decision?[19:04:53] <humdinger> Tomorrow a CS archeology student could stop by, coding a driver...[19:06:14] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[19:06:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[19:13:17] <Vidrep> I just checked out this old Media Server ticket: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/1955[19:14:37] <Vidrep> It's still broken. In fact the audio device completely disappears from the Media Preperences after media services is restarted[19:15:46] <Vidrep> reboot[19:15:49] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[19:21:07] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[19:24:31] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@55d45b0a.access.ecotel.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[19:28:47] <Vidrep> Barrett, this ticket looks like a special for you: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/1955[19:33:15] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[19:33:39] <stargate1> any photos from BG?[19:40:23] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-188-106-144-019.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[19:42:11] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[19:42:59] <Vidrep> Barrett, that ticket wasassigned to stippi.[19:43:07] <Vidrep> *was assigned[19:44:29] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[19:45:25] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[19:48:11] <Barrett> Vidrep, I have had various plans to improve the media_kit[19:48:27] <Barrett> it's unlikely they will happen with the time I have available now[19:52:05] <Vidrep> Maybe one day[19:52:34] <Vidrep> I did the best I could to provide some data[19:52:39] <Barrett> at least various important issues are solved now[19:52:57] <Barrett> I sort of consider a development stage finished[19:56:58] <arfonzo> PulkoMandy, hey! looks like it completed a full build, currently idling :)[20:18:38] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04cfc0.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[20:21:45] *** Anarchos <Anarchos!~K@35.58.135.77.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[20:41:33] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has quit IRC (Quit: Life beckons.)[20:47:32] *** regreg <regreg!regreg@85.121.54.224> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[20:51:00] <PulkoMandy> arfonzo: yes, except a lot of builds on my builder failed because disk full[20:51:14] <PulkoMandy> ordered a new 480GB SSD… then I can use the old 60GB one for fstrim tests[20:51:55] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: regarding StyledEdit, I'm undecided. Special chars technically make the file "not text". But still, it could be nice to try to open it[20:55:51] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[21:00:37] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-188-106-144-019.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:05:18] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:05:28] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[21:06:35] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, whatever the bug is, it appears to be intermittent[21:07:10] <Vidrep> Sometimes SerialConnect will create a file I can open with Tracker, sometimes not[21:07:48] <PulkoMandy> yes, SerialConnect is not at fault here, it depends what bytes are sent from the remote machine[21:07:58] <PulkoMandy> if it only sends plain text, no problem[21:08:28] <PulkoMandy> if it sends garbage or control characters (for examples to colorize the logs), then it's not completely text anymore, and StyledEdit will not want to open it[21:09:11] <Vidrep> If I open such a file in Pe, highlight the text and copy to StyledEdit, then the odd characters go away[21:10:37] <Vidrep> The SerialConnect output is still useful, but sometimes a few extra steps are needed to make it readable, like creating an attchment for a bug report[21:13:22] <PulkoMandy> well, as an attachment to a bugreport I'd attach the original file to make sure no info is lost[21:13:26] *** amuck <amuck!~amuck@2001:19f0:8001:13b:5400:ff:fe3f:cad8> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC 1.6.3 - http://znc.in)[21:13:47] <PulkoMandy> that's what I'm worried about, if StyledEdit decides to filter out some bytes it thinks are unreadable, there is loss of information[21:13:53] *** amuck <amuck!~amuck@irc.harug.com> has joined #haiku[21:14:14] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, thanks for having a look. Sorry to take your time away from the package builders[21:14:20] <PulkoMandy> and it could be important, for example, to know that there were some corrupt bytes sent over the serial port, is a clue that something is very wrong[21:14:34] <PulkoMandy> well, from entering tasks into the GCI website actually. But whatever :>[21:15:43] <Vidrep> When does GCI start? March/April?[21:20:37] <Vidrep> I see it: Event Dates: 2016-11-28 - 2017-01-17[21:21:05] <Vidrep> Not much time to prepare[21:21:42] <PulkoMandy> we have a list of tasks already, we only need to import them into their system[21:22:02] <PulkoMandy> there is a bulk import but our tasks are a messy wiki page, so manual entry it is[21:22:28] <PulkoMandy> (apparently we are supposed to code our own system to manage the tasks with CSV export… whatever, no time for that)[21:24:41] <Vidrep> It appears that Haiku is the only full OS represented[21:25:22] <Vidrep> The other organizations are mainly apps or system components[21:26:36] <PulkoMandy> do you know many other open source full OS projects? :)[21:27:18] <PulkoMandy> I think the closest things were Ubuntu last year and NetBSD in some previous year, and maybe RTEMS but that's for embedded systems[21:27:26] <PulkoMandy> all 3 taking a break this year[21:27:40] <PulkoMandy> let's try to have some low level kernel-hacking tasks for the interested students[21:30:16] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-37-7-16-87.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:31:03] *** zeenine <zeenine!~John_X@user-188-33-54-171.play-internet.pl> has joined #haiku[21:31:34] <Vidrep> How big a task would a new FreeBSD compatibility layer be? So we can get the 11.0 network drivers[21:32:30] <PulkoMandy> it does not need a new compatibility layer, just an update of the current one[21:32:48] <PulkoMandy> we have no idea how much changes there were, I think no one tried to do it[21:33:12] <PulkoMandy> basically, drop in some new driver sources, hack things until they build.[21:33:35] <PulkoMandy> the most annoying part is dealing with the flow of bug reports for cards that worked before, and don't anymore after the update[21:33:43] <PulkoMandy> or at least that was the case last times we updated drivers[21:35:07] <Vidrep> It keeps things interesting[21:55:45] *** arroyoc <arroyoc!~Thunderbi@46.136.225.153> has joined #haiku[22:14:30] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db4d9e9.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[22:14:30] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[22:15:07] *** zeenine <zeenine!~John_X@user-188-33-54-171.play-internet.pl> has left #haiku[22:18:50] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db4d9e9.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[22:29:39] *** tonio_ <tonio_!~tonio@p5B151578.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[22:29:53] *** tonio_ is now known as tojoko[22:37:48] *** Klima <Klima!~Klima@static-78-8-176-191.ssp.dialog.net.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Quiit...)[22:40:39] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[22:42:05] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@c-75-65-126-56.hsd1.ms.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[22:43:18] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@c-75-65-126-56.hsd1.ms.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:44:32] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-089-166-163-084.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Quit: axeld)[22:50:37] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:50:50] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[22:52:08] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[22:52:30] *** qeos|2 <qeos|2!~kvirc@37.204.76.5> has joined #haiku[22:53:51] *** qeos <qeos!~kvirc@37.204.76.5> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[23:10:10] *** arroyoc <arroyoc!~Thunderbi@46.136.225.153> has quit IRC (Quit: arroyoc)[23:14:04] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has joined #haiku[23:15:43] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:17:32] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:18:12] *** qeos|2 <qeos|2!~kvirc@37.204.76.5> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[23:39:36] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[23:47:03] *** Feitan <Feitan!~vision@119.94.105.152> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[23:56:21] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~Dupa1Bard@apn-37-7-16-87.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #haiku