November 6, 2016 
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It triggers on rename, removing and adding a file to the folder, but it doesn't when I duplicate a file (ALT+D).[10:49:33] <jessicah> oh I see[10:49:39] <PulkoMandy> jessicah: continuous join/quit, which is quite annoying if you display such things in your IRC client[10:50:04] <jessicah> my client collapses all that, so didn't notice :p[10:50:18] <PulkoMandy> well, if someone wants to fix Vision… :)[10:50:19] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@x55b63f59.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[10:50:32] <jessicah> (:[10:50:32] <humdinger> another peculiar thing: A file that comes in through an activated package isn't triggering my node monitor either,[10:51:56] <humdinger> until I e.g. duplicate some other file. After that even the formerly duplicated file appear in my listview...[10:53:32] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[10:53:38] <HAIKU-irker082> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev50673 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=5bc7366fcabb+%5Ea02a1bb4e62d[10:53:39] <HAIKU-irker082> 5bc7366fcabb: Web+: missing NULL check in bookmark bar show/hide management.[10:55:16] <jessicah> PulkoMandy: we use explicit null checks :p[10:55:41] <PulkoMandy> argh[10:56:06] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-hjwurbpocigjmqkk> has joined #haiku[10:56:11] <jessicah> we need an automated check for these things...[10:56:34] <PulkoMandy> yes[10:56:43] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@a83-162-209-242.adsl.xs4all.nl> has joined #haiku[10:56:52] <HAIKU-irker082> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev50674 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=02d8a059f002+%5E5bc7366fcabb[10:56:53] <HAIKU-irker082> 02d8a059f002: style fix.[10:56:58] <PulkoMandy> WebKit has a whole Python framework for checking style, but we'd need to write our own rules for it[10:57:56] *** fujisan <fujisan!uid4207@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-habfwujdwvxmvary> has joined #haiku[10:58:08] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[11:00:08] <jessicah> yeah I've had a bit of a look at it[11:00:18] <jessicah> it's insanely huge[11:02:33] <PulkoMandy> like anything webkit[11:04:10] <PulkoMandy> https://github.com/haiku/webkit/tree/rebased/Tools/Scripts/webkitpy/style[11:04:27] <PulkoMandy> the main part is rather small, but it doesn't really do anything[11:04:53] <PulkoMandy> and then there are the "checkers", the ones for C++ include C++ parsing and I don't expect that to be small :)[11:06:33] *** hako <hako!~hako@2a01:388:394:112::1:4> has joined #haiku[11:16:17] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:16:46] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[11:44:15] *** ThunderBlade <ThunderBlade!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-cpmbreoufdanzoan> has joined #haiku[11:44:15] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-hjwurbpocigjmqkk> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[11:49:37] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[11:49:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[11:54:25] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[11:57:19] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[11:58:52] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[11:59:56] *** ThunderBlade <ThunderBlade!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-cpmbreoufdanzoan> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[12:01:06] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[12:13:26] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[12:13:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[12:14:17] *** DingoSaar <DingoSaar!~hagen@pD9E09B29.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[12:17:06] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@a83-162-209-242.adsl.xs4all.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[12:19:06] *** Feitan <Feitan!~vision@119.94.105.152> has joined #haiku[12:20:05] <Feitan> hmmmh[12:21:01] <Feitan> is there anyway to override vesa? i tried plopping in an external monitor on this thing and it keeps giving me cut-off edges :( (even configuring the monitor itself doesnt help)[12:21:11] <Feitan> damn shitty monitors :D[12:21:59] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df54:60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[12:26:25] <PulkoMandy> you can change the resolutions from screen preferences but that's about it[12:26:28] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[12:27:01] <PulkoMandy> VESA does lack some flexibility, so the alternatives are writing a native driver or trying to get EFI boot running and using EFI's replacement for VESA, hoping the implementation is better[12:27:14] <PulkoMandy> both not quite easy things to do[12:30:56] <Feitan> yeah, that is difficult if not impossible. Since this laptop doesnt even support EFI :D[12:34:49] <PulkoMandy> ah, native driver it is then :>[12:35:00] <PulkoMandy> what graphic card is it? nvidia?[12:35:42] <Feitan> nope, its a shitty one too[12:35:42] <Feitan> SiS[12:35:43] <Feitan> :D[12:36:18] <johnny_b> it's probably a 10yrs old machine if not older 8)[12:36:27] <Feitan> correct-o[12:36:43] <johnny_b> p4?[12:36:45] <Feitan> thats why i like this so much, because out of all os, this one is the most friendly[12:37:17] <Feitan> no, not p4[12:37:25] <Feitan> its ahh dual core[12:38:38] <Feitan> actually it might be the fault of this graphic card, since the external monitor im using is a 4:3 one[12:38:55] <Feitan> but back then in 2006, sis was the most dominant. lol[12:39:24] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04c436.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[12:48:02] *** Feitan <Feitan!~vision@119.94.105.152> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[12:48:19] *** Feitan <Feitan!~vision@119.94.105.152> has joined #haiku[12:49:28] <miqlas> PulkoMandy: i'm on my way to update the perl patch, because our perl is EOLed.[12:50:21] <miqlas> A question: the original patchset doesn't apply cleanly anymore on the latest perl. I made a partial apply, and made the rejected parts with hand. Everything fine.[12:51:06] <miqlas> But now if i extract the patchset i get one big instead of many small patches, and ofc i lost all the patch subjects too. Is it ok?[13:03:34] <PulkoMandy> I think it would be better to keep them if possible[13:04:00] <PulkoMandy> do you know how to use git am and git am --continue?[13:06:57] <miqlas> nope[13:10:04] <miqlas> we reALLY SHOULD GET THE FINGERTIPS SOURCES: http://matthijshollemans.com/portfolio/[13:10:10] <miqlas> OH, SORRY,[13:21:08] *** TwoFx <TwoFx!~TwoFx@tr-v851-hadi-gate.scc.kit.edu> has joined #haiku[13:22:34] <PulkoMandy> miqlas: this looks similar to the Stream Weaver from Pete Goodeve?[13:22:43] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:24:02] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[13:24:22] <PulkoMandy> (but that doesn't prevent asking for a copy of the sources of course)[13:25:16] *** Feitan <Feitan!~vision@119.94.105.152> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[13:25:39] *** Feitan <Feitan!~vision@119.94.105.152> has joined #haiku[13:47:01] *** Feitan 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connection)[14:30:59] <PulkoMandy> humdinger: sounds good[14:31:23] <humdinger> will do. thanks[14:36:56] <humdinger> I have finished with my improvements on the Midi view in Media prefs.[14:37:05] <humdinger> I'm not so sure about my style of coding though.[14:37:12] <humdinger> does anyone want to have a look?[14:37:43] <humdinger> The code's at: http://sprunge.us/jJUZ[14:37:55] <humdinger> Here's the old code http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/preferences/media/MidiSettingsView.cpp[14:38:13] <humdinger> And if you want to try it out: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21023348/Media.zip[14:38:38] <humdinger> I removed the line that said which is the active soundfont.[14:38:48] <humdinger> what's selected always is the active font.[14:39:11] <humdinger> node monitoring shows live new soundfonts in the system.[14:39:29] <humdinger> double clciking an entry in the list opens the Tracker foler of the soundfont.[14:41:07] <humdinger> oh, and a status string informing the user if there areno soundfonts in the system or to choose one if there are several and none has been chosen.[14:41:20] <humdinger> if there's only one soundfont, it's chosen automatically[14:47:01] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@HSI-KBW-078-043-041-069.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has joined #haiku[14:47:49] *** fujisan_ <fujisan_!~fujisan@unaffiliated/fujisan> has joined #haiku[14:49:29] <miqlas-H> fbrosson, are you here?[15:01:44] * humdinger is idle: BRB[15:29:52] *** regreg <regreg!regreg@85.121.54.224> has joined #haiku[15:30:14] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[15:30:20] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@2.69.83.151.mobile.tre.se> has joined #haiku[15:30:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[15:34:48] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[15:36:51] *** ppisati <ppisati!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[15:51:45] *** 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are no SoundFiles installed."));[16:34:25] <axeld> Just a single tab on the second line, but otherwise, sure; there is no rule (other than operator on next line) -- it should just make reading/grasping as easy as possible[16:34:57] <axeld> Ie. if the second line fits completely in the second line, it should probably be there completely, as that simplifies reading the thing (IMO)[16:36:03] <humdinger> really no additional tab for the 2nd line?[16:36:30] <PulkoMandy> exactly 1 additional tab[16:37:05] <humdinger> so it's OK how it is?[16:37:49] <humdinger> (the tabs at sprunge appear a bit large...)[16:38:12] <humdinger> the 2nd line is indented 1 additional tab under the 1st[16:40:54] <humdinger> And, if I move the operator "=" into the 2nd line, the 2nd will be over the 80 char limit. splitting the 2nd line is of course awkward...:[16:40:56] <humdinger> BStringItem* olditem =[16:40:57] <humdinger> (BStringItem*)fListView->ItemAt(fListView->CurrentSelection());[16:41:41] <humdinger> one can come up with all kinds of excuses to violate the style guide :)[16:46:58] <PulkoMandy> int32 selected = fListView->CurrentSelection(); BStringItem* olditem = (BStringItem*)fListView->ItemAt(selected);[16:47:04] <PulkoMandy> makes it easier to split I think :)[16:47:59] <humdinger> you sly dog! :)[16:48:09] <humdinger> good idea, though.[16:48:23] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x55b63f59.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[16:48:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[16:48:56] <humdinger> no need to split at all, even.[16:49:43] <humdinger> as an aside, how do you use int32 variables with printf()?[16:52:56] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x55b63f59.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[16:54:44] <humdinger> What do you guys think of overlays for the folders we put in the Web+ bookmarks?[16:54:45] <humdinger> "Bookmark bar" Documentation "Haiku Project" Software[16:55:05] <humdinger> would make them better distinguishable from the user created folder[16:55:07] <humdinger> s[16:59:39] <PulkoMandy> humdinger: int32 variables: printf("The value is %" B_PRId32 "\n", variable);[17:00:15] <PulkoMandy> and yes, custom icons for the bookmark folders sounds nice[17:01:45] <humdinger> ok, thanks.[17:13:01] *** nighty- <nighty-!~cp@www.taiyolabs.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:14:34] *** nighty- <nighty-!~cp@www.taiyolabs.com> has joined #haiku[17:16:59] *** arroyoc <arroyoc!~Thunderbi@46.136.225.153> has quit IRC (Quit: arroyoc)[17:17:52] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[17:20:15] <miqlas> PulkoMandy: why does PrntScrn starts WebPositive?[17:20:39] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[17:21:01] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df54:60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[17:21:28] <miqlas-H> Ok, at BG i got Cantata compiled on Haiku, but it just exited peacefully all the time, without any debug log.[17:21:46] <miqlas-H> Now i added a plenty printfs to know, what's wrong.[17:21:52] <miqlas-H> I got this: http://chunk.io/f/a600b21286b2454cb6170e3c7c5b1add[17:22:31] <miqlas-H> If i comment this retunr 0 out it starts. So what does this code?[17:24:41] *** cucujoidea <cucujoidea!b20763a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.7.99.160> has joined #haiku[17:31:25] <PulkoMandy> you would need to look in the Application class, what the start() method does and why it returns false[17:33:59] <IIsi50MHz> I just noticed that the icon for Launch_Daemon is a croissant! (-:[17:34:55] <miqlas> Crazy french guys..[17:35:14] <IIsi50MHz> And that if I "follow" Google's suggestion to get Chrome, they offer it for Mac OS X 10.9 or later.[17:36:15] <miqlas-H> then you will hack the matrix[17:36:26] <IIsi50MHz> So, Haiku hrev50635 is approximately equivalent to OS 10.9? (-=[17:37:01] <miqlas-H> PulkoMandy: since some days i cannot use google in WP, because this thing: http://chunk.io/f/98a14ea580694bf29ff1fb9faa1617e5[17:37:13] <miqlas-H> IIsi50MHz: "approximately"[17:37:53] <IIsi50MHz> "close enough to run Chrome"[17:38:16] * IIsi50MHz of course does not try such a silly thing[17:39:28] <humdinger> miqlas-H: works here with newest nightly[17:40:04] <humdinger> Anything else wrt to standard bookmarks for Web+? Otherwise I zip up the new optional package.[17:42:33] <PulkoMandy> IIsi50MHz: yes, we have to use an user agent that makes exerything think we are Mac OS X[17:42:59] <PulkoMandy> if we don't, they see "Safari" (because it's WebKit), dont see mac os, and serve us mobile pages assuming we are some kind of iPhone[17:43:18] <PulkoMandy> miqlas-H: yes, I switched back to Goodsearch because of this thing[17:43:43] <IIsi50MHz> Ah, of course.[17:43:52] <humdinger> maybe google works for me because I'm logged in?[17:43:58] <PulkoMandy> I think I went to accounts.google.com or mail.google.com and there it offered me to use the "simple HTML" version of the warning, which did work[17:45:06] *** ThunderBlade <ThunderBlade!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-kvlsvtzqliilkmww> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[17:47:18] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has joined #haiku[17:49:07] <miqlas> CHEATER![17:50:48] <miqlas-H> Ok, i sent a bugreport for the Cantata authors about this thing.[17:51:29] <miqlas-H> BTW it doesn't solved all my problems. Till my changes Cantata exited peacefully, now it crashes somewhere in the SQL code.[17:52:53] <miqlas-H> It could be this:[17:53:06] <miqlas-H> MpdLibraryDb init 0x1832c9e8 "/library/__config_settings_mpd_socket_6600.sql" "MPD"[17:53:24] <miqlas-H> MpdLibraryDb init 0x1832c9e8 Failed to open[17:54:50] <miqlas-H> BTW, Guys, is it really read only? [ 7490] _kern_create_dir(0xffffffff, "/boot/home/config/cache", 0x1ed) = 0x80006008 Read-only file system (92 us)[17:56:15] <humdinger> miqlas-H: it isn't.[17:57:01] <miqlas> My kernel have different meaning about non-readonliness then.[18:02:04] <miqlas-H> so it crashing here: http://chunk.io/f/23b5cb48a1884319b7615131b99b3448[18:03:57] *** mtemmerm <mtemmerm!~mtemmerm@ptr-2hj4tbwgvnl3l87j2hoage64l.ip6.access.telenet.be> has joined #haiku[18:04:56] <HAIKU-irker082> haiku.master: humdinger * hrev50675 [4 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=04d7efaf1e0e+%5E02d8a059f002[18:04:57] <HAIKU-irker082> 97a5f78d9fdc: Use driver settings API for the MIDI settings[18:04:58] <HAIKU-irker082> ba847dd6a8d8: Adding ProviderInfo for Shaw.ca[18:04:59] <HAIKU-irker082> 1ff06a003edb: Add document icon for overlays[18:05:00] <HAIKU-irker082> 04d7efaf1e0e: Updated Web+ bookmarks package[18:05:15] *** mtemmerm <mtemmerm!~mtemmerm@ptr-2hj4tbwgvnl3l87j2hoage64l.ip6.access.telenet.be> has left #haiku ("Leaving")[18:05:20] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-37-7-16-87.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:07:29] *** mtemmerm <mtemmerm!~mtemmerm@ptr-2hj4tbwgvnl3l87j2hoage64l.ip6.access.telenet.be> has joined #haiku[18:07:38] <Vidrep> Hi[18:07:47] *** Guest61147 <Guest61147!~c@2a01:4f8:141:4623:e6a4:71ff:fe8d:18a0> has joined #haiku[18:08:57] <humdinger> hullo Vidrep[18:09:37] <Vidrep> humdinger, because of you I'm on a email bug hunt[18:10:12] <humdinger> sorry about that... :}[18:10:51] <Vidrep> I saw a strange one last night. Only problem is finding a way to replicate it[18:13:07] <Vidrep> While the email_daemon notification window was open, I couldn't launch any apps. It kept givingme an error about missing application links (or something like that)[18:13:55] <Vidrep> After all the emails were finished downloading from the server, then it was OK again[18:14:26] *** mtemmerm <mtemmerm!~mtemmerm@ptr-2hj4tbwgvnl3l87j2hoage64l.ip6.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[18:14:36] <humdinger> strange indeed[18:14:41] <humdinger> let's eat![18:14:44] * humdinger is idle: dinner[18:15:38] *** neminis <neminis!~neminis@APoitiers-157-1-55-134.w83-193.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #haiku[18:17:58] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@cpe-70-115-138-128.austin.res.rr.com> has joined #haiku[18:18:32] * IIsi50MHz is idle: 2nd breakfast[18:19:31] *** fujisan <fujisan!uid4207@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-habfwujdwvxmvary> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[18:24:14] <johnny_b> hobbit style![18:25:59] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[18:26:14] *** _Dario <_Dario!vision@186.22.121.15> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[18:28:53] *** Mict <Mict!~Mict@46-163-219-26.blcnet.fi> has joined #haiku[18:29:41] <Mict> Hello world[18:34:23] <miqlas-H> Ehehe: http://chunk.io/f/8f74635aa91742ef8cc033203cd70039[18:35:03] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[18:35:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[18:35:43] <Mict> A new music player?[18:35:52] <miqlas-H> It is beautiful: http://chunk.io/f/a26607259b8347419eaedd30f624493b[18:36:14] <miqlas-H> Yes, we can say that. It is actually a GUI for music player daemon.[18:36:23] <miqlas-H> Technicalli just a gui[18:36:44] <miqlas-H> but we have mpd port, and this works too, so yes, a new music player.[18:37:16] <Mict> I'm not really a fan of those big GUIs, I prefer something like CL-Amp[18:37:31] <johnny_b> me too[18:37:45] <miqlas-H> Mict: then let me show an another thing....[18:38:11] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@cpe-70-115-138-128.austin.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[18:39:02] <miqlas-H> Mict: something like that small window? http://chunk.io/f/61a8990ce51a4423bbbd8bb8770ec413[18:39:27] <Mict> That's more like it[18:39:37] <miqlas-H> The big window is the library.[18:39:41] <Mict> btw are you sure your desktop icons are big enough? :D[18:39:44] <miqlas-H> It is also an mpd GUI[18:40:01] <miqlas-H> Mict: i'm happy that you got good eyes.[18:40:15] * Mict has a 5k screen[18:41:35] <johnny_b> death to hipsters! 8)[18:42:01] <Mict> So mpd is some sort of server running in the background?[18:42:02] <humdinger> Mict: how haiku doing on such a screen?[18:42:05] * humdinger has returned[18:42:22] <Mict> humdinger, bad, VESA driver only up to 2560x1440[18:42:25] <PulkoMandy> Hi people, please vote for Haiku at freewear so they print T-Shirts for us: https://www.freewear.org/[18:43:43] <johnny_b> Mict: are you a long time BeOS user or a newbie?[18:43:50] <humdinger> yay! 2 votes already![18:44:06] <Mict> I started with BeOS R4.5[18:44:11] <humdinger> Linux will win anyway... as if they need it...[18:44:49] <johnny_b> hm[18:45:23] <johnny_b> i remember a user on BeShare with similar nick of yours ...[18:45:26] <Mict> I used BeOS R5 as my primary OS when I was studying in university, worked fine back then[18:45:31] <humdinger> or Python, since the Linux vote will split into 10^3 distros.[18:45:54] <PulkoMandy> humdinger: well they already have many Python shirts, with some luck they will "oh no, not again"[18:46:19] <humdinger> Still a long way, PulkoMandy. Head to the forums?[18:47:36] <PulkoMandy> yes let's try that[18:47:56] <PulkoMandy> I think Haiku, inc could contact them directly as well, no need to win the vote, but getting the inc to move seems not easy[18:50:40] <humdinger> Give me a place to stand and a lever...[18:52:06] <Mict> Some coding progress made in BeGeistert, are those changes in main Haiku tree now?[18:52:06] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@ip-178-202-195-72.hsi09.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #haiku[18:52:46] <humdinger> extra extra... read all about it: https://www.haiku-os.org/node/11134[18:53:02] <Mict> I'm reading :P[18:53:42] <humdinger> PulkoMandy frantically fixes all the errors he unleashed with that webkit update. :)[18:54:06] <miqlas-H> humdinger: where are your photos?[18:54:27] <humdinger> ah yes. wanted to upload, but web+ doesn't let me.. :)[18:54:33] <humdinger> I could boot into Linux...[18:54:40] <miqlas-H> Yey, PM wrote about me in the article :)[18:54:50] <humdinger> and Google locked QupZilla out completely[18:55:00] <miqlas-H> humdinger: patches welcomed[18:55:04] <humdinger> now you're famous[18:57:19] <johnny_b> 8)[18:58:33] * humdinger reboots to upload the hand full photos.[18:58:42] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04c436.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[19:10:09] * IIsi50MHz reads some ticket summaries[19:15:02] <IIsi50MHz> O, ha. Those large icons.[19:15:23] <IIsi50MHz> Yes, we have some machines set up at work for very large icons.[19:15:25] <IIsi50MHz> For the same reason.[19:15:59] <IIsi50MHz> But then, some people also want us to make all the text and stuff that large.[19:16:20] <IIsi50MHz> (but it won't work, because then too many important things would be outside the display area)[19:16:24] <miqlas> The fist thing what i think when i see this picture is Haiku. https://pics.onsizzle.com/psst-hey-you-kids-wanna-build-communism-2spooky5me-3785916.png[19:17:19] <IIsi50MHz> Porquoi?[19:18:54] <Mict> btw is there a git command or something else that shows which revision my Haiku source tree is?[19:20:19] <Mict> Aha, generated/build/haiku-revision[19:20:41] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04c436.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[19:20:41] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[19:22:14] <Mict> btw that BeGeistert report doesn't say who wrote it[19:23:03] <humdinger> PulkoMandy did. news items seem not to have an author...[19:23:57] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[19:24:37] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[19:25:12] <miqlas> btw i just updated the Transmission GUI patch to the latest version: https://gist.github.com/miqlas/b02a79b05cdfaf0deb4c625c2bda1bc5[19:25:14] <miqlas> It doesn't compile yet, and it requires the Transmission CLI patch from HaikuPorter[19:27:16] *** Mict <Mict!~Mict@46-163-219-26.blcnet.fi> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[19:36:53] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: do you prefer link to my photos as a comment or should I edit the post and add it at the end?[19:38:49] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: and, will you unban the excess flooder FireFly?[19:40:21] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[19:40:38] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[19:44:02] * IIsi50MHz 'heart' the IFS screensaver on 1920x1200, without "Render dots additive"[19:44:31] <humdinger> that's my favourite as well[19:44:43] <IIsi50MHz> It's so old-school. Wish there were more like on my 030 and 040 Macs.[19:44:51] <humdinger> I'm amazed by the low cpu usage[19:44:56] <IIsi50MHz> Yeah[19:45:30] <IIsi50MHz> I used to prefer Spider, because it's the closest we have to Darkside Of the Mac's "Chaos" module.[19:45:53] *** Guest61147 <Guest61147!~c@2a01:4f8:141:4623:e6a4:71ff:fe8d:18a0> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[19:46:21] <humdinger> Spider doesn't work for me... hmmm... the preview draws, full screen is black...[19:46:40] <IIsi50MHz> I've never found another screensaver, on any platform, that works like Chaos's fractal cloud pictures (not weather clouds)[19:46:49] <humdinger> ah.[19:46:51] <IIsi50MHz> Spider starts black, then slowly adds more.[19:46:58] <humdinger> it does draw, takes a while though... :)[19:47:03] <IIsi50MHz> Yeah.[19:47:47] <IIsi50MHz> Spider is more noticeable if you try some of the other colours.[19:48:06] <IIsi50MHz> Or if you blackout your room (:[19:48:37] <IIsi50MHz> Hmm, increasing max polygon count helps, too.[19:48:38] <humdinger> still prefer IFS. more action :)[19:48:42] <IIsi50MHz> Yep[19:49:30] <humdinger> Oh. And Spider burns CPU cycles...[19:50:29] * IIsi50MHz tries greyscale...[19:51:24] <IIsi50MHz> Holy moley activity monitor, Batman![19:51:59] <IIsi50MHz> Didn't figure burned /that/ many cycles.[19:53:05] <humdinger> my unoptimization spidery sense is tingling[19:53:07] <IIsi50MHz> Bleh, sometimes Activity monitor will start ramping up the graph of one core continuously, until I relaunch it.[19:53:33] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-37-7-16-87.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #haiku[19:53:35] <humdinger> haven't seen that.[19:53:59] <IIsi50MHz> I never noticed it before.[19:54:10] <IIsi50MHz> But then, I've been running really old hrevs for a while.[19:54:43] <humdinger> So one cores keeps being pegged even after Spider has finished running?[19:55:06] <IIsi50MHz> It's not tied to Spider.[19:56:02] <IIsi50MHz> ActMon will gradually show increasing usage of (usually) one core, rising about 10-15 degrees.[19:56:05] <humdinger> does ProcessController show a pegged core also?[19:56:07] <IIsi50MHz> Angle, that is.[19:56:57] <IIsi50MHz> I think not, but usually I have ActMon occluding it.[19:57:15] * IIsi50MHz relaunches ActMon again, waits.[19:57:26] <humdinger> never seen that in any case[19:59:51] <IIsi50MHz> Core two is trending upward now. Went from about 3% to 24% over the course of a minute, then levelled off for a minute, then jumped 30%, then suddenly 8% while at the same time cour four took over the 30%.[20:00:12] <IIsi50MHz> Relaunch...[20:00:20] <IIsi50MHz> All cores 3-8%.[20:01:08] <IIsi50MHz> And now one core rising again. Guessing it's related to ActMon's graph accumulation?[20:01:11] <humdinger> see something suspicious running top?[20:02:20] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has quit IRC (Quit: Life beckons.)[20:02:42] <IIsi50MHz> Always resets when I close Activity Monitor.[20:03:44] <humdinger> but is the CPU time really used for something or some drawing issue of AM?[20:04:04] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.125.61> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[20:04:10] *** fujisan <fujisan!uid4207@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fawfbcxbyppgscjq> has joined #haiku[20:04:47] <IIsi50MHz> I'll have to see if I can repro one of the higher usages states. At the moment, it seems to level off around 24-30%.[20:05:08] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.125.61> has joined #haiku[20:06:08] * bbjimmy notes not to delete a ramdisk that is mounted, a KDL will follow.[20:06:21] <IIsi50MHz> ouch[20:06:49] <humdinger> continuable?[20:06:54] <IIsi50MHz> (-_-) Why, settings window? Why do you always open with the thumb centered on the rightmost screen pixel?[20:06:54] <bbjimmy> no[20:07:06] * IIsi50MHz moves the ActMon settings window on-screen...again[20:07:32] <IIsi50MHz> 100 ms is default, I think.[20:07:54] * bbjimmy goes back to playing with ramdisk.[20:08:37] <IIsi50MHz> of course, I cannae get it to use more than about 30% of one core, now.[20:09:30] <humdinger> but is the CPU time really used for something or some drawing issue of AM?[20:10:20] <IIsi50MHz> Dunno, that's why I was hoping to see it climb higher (so it would be more noticeable in ProcMon)[20:10:50] <miqlas> Ilike the Nebula screensaver, i used it on BeOS too[20:10:51] <humdinger> running "top" from Terminal might give clues[20:11:49] <humdinger> miqlas: yes, nice, but also a cpu burner. :)[20:13:41] <miqlas> humdinger: then use blackness[20:13:52] <humdinger> or IFS[20:14:10] <IIsi50MHz> top says total% climbing very slowly (10.3% atm, with ProcMon claiming: 0.6%+28%+5.7%+5.9%)[20:15:04] <humdinger> in AM? def. something fishy going on there...[20:15:07] <IIsi50MHz> ProcCon shows about 25%[20:15:20] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[20:15:52] <IIsi50MHz> Activity Monitor, Process Controller. Mixing up names.[20:16:00] <Vidrep> humdinger, the Shaw.ca email is working perfectly[20:16:16] <humdinger> all your work, Vidrep :)[20:16:22] <Vidrep> Bith POP/SMTP and IMAP. No crashes this time[20:16:26] <Vidrep> Both[20:16:30] <IIsi50MHz> Activity Monitor showing the higher usage. Process Controller showing similar. Top, 10.6%[20:16:59] <humdinger> Vidrep: btw, you can simulate a new providerinfo by duplicating an existing one and change attributes with DiskProbe.[20:17:14] <Vidrep> Now to look into that bug I saw last night...[20:17:29] <humdinger> IIsi50MHz: maybe report that in a ticket[20:17:37] <IIsi50MHz> Process Controller indicates most of the activity is in an app_server offscreen thread.[20:17:45] * bbjimmy proves that unmounting the ramdisk before deleting it works as expected.[20:18:14] <Vidrep> I also have that 2TB disk to play with today as well[20:18:53] <IIsi50MHz> I'll see what else I can find out about it first.[20:19:08] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!~dario@186.22.121.15> has joined #haiku[20:19:41] <IIsi50MHz> Or, not quite first; otherwise, I won't finish reading the activity report for a while.[20:19:51] <Vidrep> humdinger, the email setup really needs some more thought put into it. Especially the part where you have to manually select your "In box" and "Out box"[20:20:29] <Vidrep> Those should be created automatically as a sub-directory under mail for each account[20:21:13] <Vidrep> Kind of like the "Configire IMAP Folders" button[20:21:22] <humdinger> as a user changeable default, I agree.[20:21:24] <Vidrep> *Configure[20:21:32] <humdinger> never done IMAP[20:22:36] * PulkoMandy reinstalls Substrate screensaver[20:22:38] <miqlas> always does imap, it isn't the 90s anymore[20:22:51] <Vidrep> There are existing open tickets for some of these issues - some dating back to Alpha 3[20:23:19] <PulkoMandy> also I sort of miss http://web.onetel.net.uk/~gnudawn/johnny/ from my windows 95 days - probably not good as an actual screensaver however :>[20:24:01] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: what about those BG photos?[20:24:09] <humdinger> in comment or article?[20:24:39] <PulkoMandy> I made it an editable article so you can edit it and add photos :)[20:25:31] <humdinger> I'll link to the album and maybe add one image then.[20:26:25] <PulkoMandy> ah yes that works too[20:26:40] *** jstressman <jstressman!~justin@2601:407:c300:a5ef:39af:bcd0:f5c9:190b> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[20:26:54] <IIsi50MHz> Hmm, Noto Sans is much smaller and less open than DejaVu Sans, for the same point size.[20:28:17] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, Web+ seems to be working a lot better as of hrev50675[20:28:28] <IIsi50MHz> Increasing Noto from 12pt to 13pt almost makes it the same width as DejaVu Sans[20:28:37] <humdinger> takes getting used to Noto, but after a few days I like it better that DejaVu[20:28:51] <PulkoMandy> doesn't it come in several weights?[20:29:09] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[20:31:11] <miqlas> yeah, EU and USA[20:34:29] <IIsi50MHz> When set to the same weight (Book/Regular), and with Noto Sans at 13pt while DejaVu Sans at 12 pt, Deja is slightly wider.[20:34:53] <IIsi50MHz> For me, it's almost like the difference between Arial and Verdana.[20:37:34] <IIsi50MHz> Weird: In the Appearance preflet, clicking Revert when WebPositive's Downloads window is displaying completed downloads, causes the downloads' progressbars to be shaded greyscale.[20:37:52] <IIsi50MHz> Relaunching WebPositive restores the blue progress bars.[20:38:20] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[20:38:22] * IIsi50MHz sets that aside[20:42:58] <PulkoMandy> completed downloads are supposed to be green[20:43:04] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[20:43:08] <PulkoMandy> (well, more precisely, B_SUCCESS_COLOR)[20:43:48] <IIsi50MHz> They are, right after completion. When relaunching the browser, they become blue.[20:44:09] <IIsi50MHz> Then when defaulting the Appearance preflet, they become greyscale.[20:44:19] <IIsi50MHz> And again blue when re-relaunching the browser.[20:45:06] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@98.209.68.103> has joined #haiku[20:45:06] *** HaikuUser is now known as SMCollins[20:45:21] <IIsi50MHz> Hmm, does this mean in Germany, B_SUCCESS_COLOR should be white/klar?[20:45:39] * IIsi50MHz has watched olde submarine films (-;[20:45:49] <Vidrep> I was able to reproduce the mail_daemon bug from last night[20:46:30] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~Paradoxon@dslb-088-074-111-081.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[20:46:45] *** SMCollins <SMCollins!~vision@98.209.68.103> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:47:46] <Vidrep> If there are a large amount of emails on the server (1000+) the system will freeze up. Attempting to launch any app will result in a pop up "There was an error resolving the link"[20:48:39] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[20:48:46] <PulkoMandy> arfonzo: I had a look at the virtio_net driver today… I did not manage to get it loaded by Haiku :([20:48:49] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@c-98-209-68-103.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[20:48:49] *** HaikuUser is now known as SMCollins[20:48:56] <Vidrep> Isanyone aware of an existing ticket for this issue?[20:48:59] <PulkoMandy> complaining about missing modules or whatever[20:50:03] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x55b63f59.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[20:50:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[20:50:34] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@81-225-60-243-no168.bredband.skanova.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[20:51:10] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@81-225-60-243-no168.bredband.skanova.com> has joined #haiku[20:52:17] <arfonzo> PulkoMandy, ah, ok. Thanks for starting to look at it though, I appreciate that... it'd be nice to get that working[20:52:32] <PulkoMandy> yes, would be nice[20:53:00] <PulkoMandy> I'm trying to set up SMCollins build slave but I'm not fully up to speed on enabling ssh access and reverse ssh tunnels yet it seems[20:53:12] <PulkoMandy> if someone with more knowledge in that area wants to help... :)[20:53:15] <arfonzo> hm, what's the issue?[20:53:27] <SMCollins> yes help[20:53:28] <arfonzo> I'm not too sure about reverse ssh myself[20:54:22] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x55b63f59.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[20:54:54] <Vidrep> The email bug I saw looks a lot like this closed ticket: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/698[20:54:56] <PulkoMandy> that part looks easy: "ssh -R 19999:localhost:22 build at pulkomandy dot tk" from the builder should connect it to my buildmaster[20:55:18] <PulkoMandy> but then I didn't get past the "login" prompt yesterday (it would reject my password)[20:55:37] <PulkoMandy> my guess is something was wrong in the previous steps (setting up normal SSH) but I'm not sure what[20:55:54] <PulkoMandy> I have a mail from mmlr with the scripts he used, I'll add them to the haikuporter repo I think[20:56:38] <arfonzo> have you allowed root?[20:57:12] <arfonzo> I got that message when I haven't permitted root logins in sshd_config[20:57:18] <humdinger> BG 030 photos added.[20:57:20] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[20:57:38] <SMCollins> how do you allow root login ?[20:58:09] <IIsi50MHz> That code number really just makes me think of Motorola 68030 processors.[20:58:13] <arfonzo> SMCollins, sec[20:58:22] <arfonzo> (ahoy guys, btw :) )[20:58:30] <IIsi50MHz> Hejsan[20:58:49] <arfonzo> SMCollins, install vim[20:58:54] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~Paradoxon@dslb-088-074-111-081.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[20:58:55] <SMCollins> ok[20:59:05] <arfonzo> SMCollins, in shell: vim /system/settings/ssh/sshd_config[20:59:42] <arfonzo> in vim, type: /Root[20:59:54] <arfonzo> (find "Root") it should take you to a line PermitRootLogin[20:59:55] <SMCollins> ok give me a few minutes I have a large download wrapping up[21:00:06] <arfonzo> uncomment it, make it "PermitRootLogin yes" (no quotes)[21:00:08] <SMCollins> and installing vim from depot[21:00:49] <arfonzo> I think guys, this needs to be added to the haikuports buildmaster/slave instructions doc[21:00:52] <miqlas> test[21:01:02] <PulkoMandy> miqlas: pong![21:01:11] <miqlas> hmm..[21:01:14] <miqlas> doesn't work.[21:01:22] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~Paradoxon@dslb-088-074-111-081.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[21:01:24] <fujisan> http://youtu.be/-XSC_UG5_kU PulkoMandy is this feature coming to haiku?[21:01:53] <PulkoMandy> crashing webkit when I click a youtube link? it's already there![21:02:58] <PulkoMandy> arfonzo: you can submit pull requests to improve the readme. But maybe we should split out the section on adding a buildslave if it becomes longer[21:03:48] <PulkoMandy> also, mmlr's mail on the matter, probably some useful info there: http://pulkomandy.tk/drop/mmlr_buildbot_instructions.txt[21:07:52] <Paradoxon> PulkoMandy you are my hero :-D.. thanks for that improoved WebPositive.. its a dream :-D!!!!![21:10:05] <IIsi50MHz> I was thinking the same thing...just by upgrading to hrev50635 from something much older. ^_~[21:10:05] <miqlas> PulkoMandy: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/pull/860 (i sent it you jesterday, but maybe you haven't seen it.) It isn1t your regular paint.[21:12:00] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~Paradoxon@dslb-088-074-111-081.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[21:13:10] <SMCollins> arfonzo: I get pattern not found[21:14:19] <arfonzo> ok, add that line at the bottom[21:14:32] <arfonzo> PulkoMandy, why doesn't he have a default sshd_config? :|[21:14:51] <arfonzo> SMCollins, what's the hrev of that box?[21:14:55] <PulkoMandy> I have no idea[21:15:06] <SMCollins> PermitRootLogin prohibit-password[21:15:09] <PulkoMandy> I could check if I could ssh into it, but… :>[21:15:13] <SMCollins> latest nightly hrev from today[21:15:35] <SMCollins> thats at line 44[21:16:08] <arfonzo> that's the line SMCollins[21:17:12] <SMCollins> Ok It is uncommented currently[21:17:26] <arfonzo> that's what's stopping you, modify it as I mentioned above[21:17:31] <arfonzo> (or comment that line, and add a new line)[21:17:46] <arfonzo> after that, I don't think you need to restart sshd, it should work (IIRC)[21:19:14] <SMCollins> I need to setup a password as well[21:20:29] <miqlas> Wow, worng link, PulkoMandy. I wanted to send you this: https://vimeo.com/81795730[21:20:47] <IIsi50MHz> haha, miqlas[21:20:57] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@p5B151AA7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[21:20:59] <postmen> hi[21:21:25] <miqlas> yeey, postmeister![21:21:43] <IIsi50MHz> The first link is like going back to the bad old days of Macs with "built-in EtherNet!" that required buying separate AAUI adapters.[21:22:01] <IIsi50MHz> The adapters cost as much as, or more than, buying Ethernet cards. >.<[21:22:16] <IIsi50MHz> Hei postmen[21:22:30] <postmen> hi miqlas, are u all right? hej IIsi50MHz. nice hello :)[21:22:55] <postmen> it became so quiet here that i was afraid the program had died.[21:23:07] <jessicah> apple love their proprietary connectors[21:23:22] <jessicah> and lots of adapters[21:24:41] <jessicah> and then there's the complete clusterfuck that is usb-c[21:25:16] <IIsi50MHz> But the connector is symmetrical! No more 50% chance of inserting a plug. (^:[21:25:44] <PulkoMandy> well, it's symmetrical only on 1 axis[21:25:53] <PulkoMandy> only round connectors are fully symmetrical :o)[21:25:54] <jessicah> but the cables, that all look the same, enable different feature sets[21:26:03] <IIsi50MHz> Yep.[21:26:18] <jessicah> and then how do you even know what your chipset supports...[21:26:34] <jessicah> it's the most terrible designed spec >_<[21:28:17] <jessicah> a tech support nightmare ;([21:28:46] <SMCollins> /system/bin/sshd[21:28:46] <SMCollins> Privilege separation user sshd does not exist[21:29:29] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.125.61> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:29:50] <jessicah> SMCollins: adduser sshd[21:35:39] <miqlas> hi postmen, ofc i'm alright. How doin?[21:36:56] *** Mict <Mict!~Mict@46-163-212-191.blcnet.fi> has joined #haiku[21:37:15] <postmen> well, fine, thank u - although i've missed begeistert as well as https://openrheinruhr.de/ due to too much work.[21:44:23] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:44:30] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[21:45:30] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.125.61> has joined #haiku[21:50:22] *** DCatt <DCatt!~vision@pool-71-113-9-65.rcmdva.east.verizon.net> has joined #haiku[21:55:46] <SMCollins> does anyone know if media converter is working ?[21:56:12] <PulkoMandy> not very well on gcc2 builds[21:56:31] <SMCollins> ahh, so it works better on gcc4 ?[21:57:30] <PulkoMandy> maybe, because at least there is a working ffmpeg version there[21:57:34] <postmen> i don't actually see any reason to use gcc2 anymore anyhow. it's even to old for school by now.[21:58:12] <PulkoMandy> for some old BeOS apps we still cling on[21:58:20] <PulkoMandy> the main one for me currently being http://sync-modular.com/[21:59:05] <miqlas> PulkoMandy: do you also get this nag give me licence key window all the time with SyncModular?[21:59:20] <PulkoMandy> there is a registration number on the website somewhere[21:59:33] <PulkoMandy> (official one, the author gave it when he stopped development)[22:00:34] <miqlas> yeah, i have it, i made a recipe for syncmodular too, but i get this window all the time.[22:00:45] <miqlas> we should patch it out somehow.[22:00:59] <PulkoMandy> ah, you made it a recipe? maybe it tries to write to its own app dir to remember it is registered[22:01:06] <PulkoMandy> so register it, and only then package the binary?[22:01:14] <miqlas> oh, yeah, we cannot distribute changed syncmodular :([22:01:27] <PulkoMandy> we can distribute the recipe :>[22:01:39] <miqlas> no, i get this window with non-packaged version too[22:01:43] <PulkoMandy> also, maybe we should package the extra instruments from https://sites.google.com/site/syncensembles/[22:02:06] <miqlas> and maybe we can provide a shell script, what patches the binary to get rid the licence check[22:03:06] <PulkoMandy> and from https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B8Lo2L86AtcWcWVoU2x1akYySjQ?usp=sharing[22:03:22] <PulkoMandy> miqlas: well, better would be to get the sources from the author so we can recompile it as neeed[22:03:23] <jessicah> PulkoMandy: mm, but surely you could use that app on a gcc4h?[22:03:33] <PulkoMandy> jessicah: yes, gcc4h would be fine[22:03:44] <PulkoMandy> not sure there is anyone still using BeOS-only add-ons or drivers now[22:03:57] * Mict votes aye on letting go of gcc2[22:03:59] <PulkoMandy> (these are the main point for gcc2hybrid)[22:04:14] <SMCollins> I can't imagine anyone using beos only apps, most of the stuff that still works is or should be gcc4 by now I would think[22:04:31] <PulkoMandy> well SynC Modular is only one exception[22:04:51] <PulkoMandy> today I downloaded and played Ishido and BShisen, both still closed source[22:04:53] <jessicah> and then we'd get the faster app_server too ;)[22:05:00] <miqlas> it would be great to have gcc4h officially supported[22:05:01] <SMCollins> if the source is available, why not update it to gcc4 ?[22:05:06] <PulkoMandy> it is not[22:05:08] <jessicah> I play BShisen on Haiku a lot :D[22:05:38] <PulkoMandy> and then there are the Worms Armageddon beta, ElastoMania, and several other games[22:06:08] <Mict> Those are for BeOS?[22:06:08] <PulkoMandy> and GoBe Productive for people who use it[22:06:09] <miqlas> But did somebody got the Septerra Core BeOS version?[22:06:13] <PulkoMandy> Mict: ye[22:06:15] <SMCollins> the question is, is this stuff really worth holding onto ?[22:06:23] <SMCollins> I mean if the cost is nothing, then sure[22:06:39] <PulkoMandy> SMCollins: at this point the cost is quite low, we have already done the work[22:06:57] <SMCollins> maybe at beta it is time to keep the beta trunk seperate and drop all the old gcc2 compat from haiku moving forward and just move everything to gcc5[22:07:11] <Mict> If some people want to use stone-age BeOS apps they could do so in a VM[22:07:15] <PulkoMandy> dropping gcc2 compat is work that needs to be done[22:07:25] <PulkoMandy> Mict: except we don't have accelerated virtualization[22:07:26] <SMCollins> this was beta 1 become R1 and haiku can move forward[22:07:30] <PulkoMandy> oh and BeOS is hard to run in VMs[22:07:51] *** cucujoidea <cucujoidea!b20763a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.7.99.160> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[22:07:58] <PulkoMandy> SMCollins: "forward" to what? Just removing one of the two compilers we use won't make things develop faster[22:08:11] <PulkoMandy> it may make some things run faster, but we get that with gcc5hybrid already[22:08:25] <SMCollins> just one less layer of complexity[22:08:42] <PulkoMandy> there is no layer at all, we just compile some things twice, that's it[22:08:47] <SMCollins> IIRC there are some hacks for gcc2 or compromises in coding[22:08:59] <PulkoMandy> not a lot[22:09:01] <jessicah> I wasn't suggesting dropping gcc2[22:09:15] <PulkoMandy> there is the fact that we can't use C++11, but we can live without that for now[22:09:30] <PulkoMandy> and we can make things gcc5-only when needed (WebPositive is one case)[22:09:37] <SMCollins> I think development for haiku r2, it would be wise, it also shows forward progress to outside community, IE we have moved forward, maybe package gcc2 as a compat library[22:09:55] <PulkoMandy> well, people seems so attached to versions[22:10:10] <PulkoMandy> let's use our hrev numbers as major versions, we release MORE OFTEN THAN GOOGLE CHROME![22:10:18] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@ip-178-202-195-72.hsi09.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[22:10:19] <Mict> yay[22:10:33] <PulkoMandy> this is stupid. There are no techincal arguments towards dropping gcc2. When there are, we will do the work to remove it[22:10:40] <PulkoMandy> (yes, it requires work)[22:10:45] <SMCollins> Well I am saying that just moving to current versions might make more sense, this way there is just one compiler, and frankly thats how BeOS would have likely approached it anyways, they had a really thin with dumping back compatability[22:11:00] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[22:11:02] <PulkoMandy> well, download the gcc5-only version if you want that[22:11:05] <PulkoMandy> it already exists[22:11:20] <SMCollins> I don;t care either way, if there is no overhead, then it makes no difference[22:11:26] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has joined #haiku[22:11:39] <SMCollins> Ive been running gcc2 hybrids for years[22:11:41] <PulkoMandy> and we need similar hybrid support in tow cases anyway: 1) 64/32 bit hybrids and 2) next time we break the ABI (otherwise R2 will not run R1 apps)[22:11:54] <PulkoMandy> we will always have at least 2 ABIs side by side[22:12:01] <Mict> And then gcc5 version is incompatible with gcc2 & 4?[22:12:03] <PulkoMandy> R1 is BeOS ABI + a gcc5 one[22:12:12] <SMCollins> does it make sense to have r2 run r1 apps ? seems like allot of versions to support ?[22:12:21] <PulkoMandy> R2 will support gcc5 binaries from R1 + a new ABI (maybe gcc5, maybe clang based, with API changes)[22:12:23] <PulkoMandy> and so on[22:12:41] <PulkoMandy> if we don't do that, it's like restarting from scratch[22:12:49] <PulkoMandy> builiding an app ecosystem takes a long time[22:13:02] <miqlas-H> PulkoMandyi have x64 haiku installed.[22:13:06] <PulkoMandy> imagine if we had to re-do all the effort of porting webkit, office suites, everything, at each major OS release[22:13:29] <PulkoMandy> everything at once shortly after the OS itself is released[22:13:36] <PulkoMandy> it would be an endless cycle of "but it has no apps"[22:13:56] <miqlas-H> works ok, but the ports state in HaikuDepot is really bad. the dev tools searching for gcc2 tools and things.[22:14:03] <PulkoMandy> so yes, each release has to run the apps from the previous one, it allows the transition to happen gradually instead[22:14:10] <miqlas-H> it isn't really up to real dev work yet[22:14:21] <PulkoMandy> miqlas-H: this is why we need the automated package build system[22:14:38] <PulkoMandy> it is too much work to keep the packages up to date, and computers can do it better than us[22:14:44] <SMCollins> PulkoMandy: is the automated package system a hardware or software issue ?[22:14:51] <jessicah> software[22:15:11] <PulkoMandy> we don't deal with hardware, everything runs in the clouds nowadays :D[22:15:20] <SMCollins> was curious[22:15:40] <PulkoMandy> more seriously, part of the work is fixing up the recipes so that everything builds without errors[22:15:53] <PulkoMandy> the other is setting up the infrastructure with the buildbots and everything[22:16:04] <miqlas-H> pulko: automatic building isn't help, if the compiled package search for gcc2 libs on 64 bit platform[22:16:11] <SMCollins> yeah, I have tried to build stuff at haiku ports only to fail[22:16:15] <jessicah> PulkoMandy: I think libvpx is the problem in terms of dependencies for ffmpeg[22:16:16] <miqlas-H> the recipe is broken, that's all[22:16:17] <PulkoMandy> we have 15 Mac Minis owned by Haiku Inc, some are allocated to building the nightlies but the remaining ones are not used, and should be doing that[22:16:18] <jessicah> or at least one of them[22:16:27] <jessicah> PulkoMandy: have you checked out building libvpx at all?[22:16:28] <PulkoMandy> jessicah: well the problem I fixed was speex[22:16:51] <PulkoMandy> probably. It is scheduled in the current build run[22:17:00] <SMCollins> well, my machine here can build packages and software, it has plenty of hp and is connected to a solar panel system, use the power[22:17:02] <PulkoMandy> I don't have a way to see previous build runs easily[22:18:09] <jessicah> mm :([22:18:24] <miqlas-H> why fbrosson aren't on irc?[22:18:25] <jessicah> I just need another hard drive[22:18:37] <jessicah> but an 8TB drive is a little pricey still[22:18:49] <jessicah> that would free up one of my 3TB disks[22:18:52] <SMCollins> PulkoMandy: how goes build setup ?[22:18:59] <PulkoMandy> almost done[22:19:12] <SMCollins> cool[22:19:18] <miqlas-H> so can we get automatically built packages early morning?[22:19:23] <SMCollins> freaking server is slow man[22:19:55] <PulkoMandy> miqlas-H: if things don't crash mid-way as in all runs this week, yes[22:20:06] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04c436.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[22:20:46] <PulkoMandy> SMCollins: installing lzip and dos2unix as these are required for the build of some packages[22:20:54] <SMCollins> looks like your repo checkout finished[22:21:06] <SMCollins> do what you gotta do[22:21:08] <miqlas-H> i remember as i tried a haikuport build-repo some time ago (as update source fr my haiku install). It worked, but changed almost every package on my haiku.[22:21:36] <miqlas-H> And there was some serious problems with the satbility, so i reverted it to the official update channels[22:23:06] <miqlas-H> it would be great to have an official haikuporter update repo, because i'm tired to compile all the dependencies on my little haiku laptop...[22:23:37] <miqlas-H> i mean when there are recipe but no package, or the package in hp is broken[22:23:56] <SMCollins> I am giving PulkoMandy acess to my home machine, its a beastly amd 8 core with a ton of ram and a fast connection[22:24:00] <PulkoMandy> miqlas-H: yes, I made a release branch[22:24:16] <PulkoMandy> I'm not using the main haikuports repo, I tried to stick with somethinf as close as possible to our current repo[22:24:32] <PulkoMandy> but I neeed to make some updates because some packages we have don't have a working recipe anymore[22:24:35] <SMCollins> PulkoMandy: if we start getting light on ram, let me know I will toss a few sticks in[22:24:40] <PulkoMandy> (because of changes in haikuporter, or because of gcc5[22:24:48] <PulkoMandy> SMCollins: I let you watch how it behaves[22:24:54] <PulkoMandy> I have set it up for -j7[22:25:03] <SMCollins> ok[22:25:16] <miqlas-H> btw ncurses makes me big headache. Fish compiled with 5.99, but ncmpcpp requires ncurses 6 for utf8, and i just cannot install the ncurses6 dev package.[22:25:23] <miqlas-H> dependency hell, yeah[22:25:55] <miqlas-H> it just tries to remove the hal of the installed packages :( self-surgery[22:26:30] <PulkoMandy> they are supposed to install side by side[22:26:43] <miqlas-H> but not the devel packages[22:26:49] <PulkoMandy> yes, that would not work usually[22:27:30] <PulkoMandy> a trick is to have one in /system and the other in /home/config/packages[22:27:41] <miqlas-H> it tries to remove gettext and gettext_int, and this is my problem.[22:28:13] <miqlas-H> but it is strange, why gettext depends on ncurses dev package?[22:28:22] <PulkoMandy> that sounds wrong, yes[22:28:33] <PulkoMandy> only "package list" can tell you[22:29:00] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@ip-178-202-195-72.hsi09.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #haiku[22:29:14] <miqlas-H> i already got ncurses6 runtime installed side by side with ncurses 5, but i just can't get the dev package without sacrificing my soul first.[22:29:56] <PulkoMandy> try installing it in /home/config/packages instead[22:30:10] <PulkoMandy> it is made for that: messing with stuff that would otherwise break the system[22:31:30] <miqlas-H> yeah, gettext 0.19.18 have this:[22:31:32] <miqlas-H> requires: devel:libncurses_x86>=5.9[22:31:37] <SMCollins> so I am watching Armitage III , god this plot is like swiss cheese[22:32:46] <miqlas-H> PulkoMandy if i install something in home, will the content also in the main dev folders?[22:33:14] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@81-225-60-243-no168.bredband.skanova.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:33:16] <miqlas-H> so a normal configure script would ba able to catch it?[22:33:38] <PulkoMandy> miqlas-H: it will be in home/config/develop, but that should be part of the default include path IIRC?[22:34:06] <miqlas-H> and the packages in home will be updated automatically?[22:36:20] <PulkoMandy> I don't know, you will have to try :)[22:36:43] <miqlas-H> PulkoMandy: almost: http://chunk.io/f/aa01a0fc670a4c9aa23e78482e9d7d91[22:37:31] <IIsi50MHz> 15:10:57 <@PulkoMandy> well, people seems so attached to versions[22:37:31] <IIsi50MHz> 15:11:12 <@PulkoMandy> let's use our hrev numbers as major versions, we release MORE OFTEN THAN GOOGLE CHROME![22:37:31] <IIsi50MHz> Would work for me! I'm willing to let go of the idea "alpha(1>2>3>4) > R1 > ..." (-;[22:37:57] <IIsi50MHz> Wah, miniflood. Sorry.[22:38:16] <SMCollins> no, just use really clever names with numbers so like big mac and coke 3.94[22:38:33] <IIsi50MHz> hehe[22:39:28] <SMCollins> PulkoMandy: are you running any builds or were you trying to ?[22:40:04] <PulkoMandy> SMCollins: not on your machine currently[22:40:04] <IIsi50MHz> Hotel Romeo Echo Victor, 5 zero 6 3 5[22:40:21] <SMCollins> ok, I am gonna go fix dinner[22:40:26] <PulkoMandy> it's all set, it will be used next time I run a build (probably tomorrow)[22:40:39] <SMCollins> is it ok to reboot the machine time to time ?[22:40:40] * IIsi50MHz combs trak for things related to Activity Monitor[22:41:44] <miqlas-H> have somebody experiences with trimfs?[22:41:56] <miqlas-H> I'm too chicken to test it[22:42:42] <IIsi50MHz> Is it not used by RAMdisk? Try it there safely, perhaps.[22:44:07] <miqlas-H> but it is ssd cntroller dependent, so if my ssd doing something shady business, i can lost all my data[22:44:27] <miqlas-H> i cannot test it really with ramdisk[22:45:00] <miqlas-H> btw how someone supposed to use ramdisk? i'we seen the commit about it, and i see the ram_disk driver, but i have no idea, how can i use it.[22:45:11] <PulkoMandy> there is a ramdisk command line tool[22:45:14] <miqlas-H> is there a cli or gui program to set it up?[22:45:15] <PulkoMandy> with a --help :)[22:45:17] *** DaaT <DaaT!~daat@149.18.176.197> has joined #haiku[22:45:23] <DaaT> evening[22:45:30] <mmu_man> plop[22:45:31] <miqlas-H> Yeeey, DaaT![22:45:37] <Mict> Hi[22:45:45] <PulkoMandy> and yes, last time I tried trim on my SSD it corrupted the FS and made the SSD invisible to my BIOS until the next cold boot. So I'm not sure I want to try again[22:45:51] * DaaT waves[22:46:03] * IIsi50MHz always thinks of tape backup when DaaT is mentioned[22:46:04] <Mict> It trimmed quite a lot then[22:46:09] <DaaT> :P[22:46:21] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[22:46:22] <PulkoMandy> with the ramdisk it seems to work perfectly, but I only tested it on an 8MB disk, so maybe I did not stress it too much[22:46:47] <DaaT> quick Q, is anyone working on usb 3.1?[22:47:17] <PulkoMandy> are there any differences with 3.0?[22:47:50] <PulkoMandy> (well, I guess there are, but do we need changes to the drivers or is it hardware changes only?)[22:47:55] <miqlas-H> PulkoMandy: i made a 600mb ramdisk (ramdisk create -s 600), i got the device /dev/disk/virtual/ram/0/raw[22:48:09] <miqlas-H> so i wen to drivesetup to initialise it, but general error[22:48:14] <DaaT> PulkoMandy, don't know, but I would suspect drivers[22:48:37] <miqlas-H> I don't know, who is this General Error, and why he don't let me have fun[22:48:40] <DaaT> a Haiku usb boot flash drive isn't even picked up by my laptop[22:48:48] <SMCollins> 3.1 updates power specs and asycnronous speeds iirc change between 3.0 and 3.1 and yes drivers changes required but supposed to be backwards compitble[22:49:06] <PulkoMandy> DaaT: well, USB 3.0 isn't working for me either, so we should get that working first[22:49:09] <DaaT> thanks SMCollins[22:49:20] <DaaT> PulkoMandy, sure, was just wondering :)[22:49:43] <DaaT> so how many ppl made it to BG?[22:49:48] <miqlas-H> DaaT: have you already introduced them eachother like a real gentlemen? What do you expect without introducing? You just took a random usb, and pushed into the intim usb port.[22:49:52] <PulkoMandy> DaaT: about 9[22:50:02] <miqlas-H> should they automatically have fun, or what?[22:50:11] <DaaT> miqlas-H, bought it dinner first[22:50:27] <DaaT> PulkoMandy, really low, that's a shame[22:50:47] <PulkoMandy> DaaT: yes, problems with opening the registration and lack of motivation it seems[22:50:48] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x55b63f59.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[22:50:48] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[22:50:58] <PulkoMandy> miqlas-H: it seems the size is in bytes in ramdisk -c[22:51:08] <DaaT> PulkoMandy, yeah, I'm subscribed to the HSA mailing list[22:51:09] <PulkoMandy> and DriveSetup is not happy with 600 bytes drives[22:51:13] <DaaT> hey stippi[22:51:19] <PulkoMandy> (well it is rounded up to 4K but still that's too small)[22:52:23] <IIsi50MHz> PulokMandy, that will have to change for embedded, like HaikuIA/BeIA (^:[22:52:50] <IIsi50MHz> Just kidding. We don't want another system-killing "focus shift".[22:53:09] <PulkoMandy> even then, 4K is awfully small :>[22:53:20] <PulkoMandy> and for the ram disk that's a single sector, even[22:53:46] <IIsi50MHz> I suppose original 128K Macintosh would count as embedded now, if you could put it to one single chip.[22:54:10] <PulkoMandy> well, the Palm is somewhat similar and definietely embedded[22:54:29] <miqlas-H> copying from SSD to Ramdisk 68Mb/s. I think this is the max :([22:54:30] <PulkoMandy> but still, both had much more than 4K of memory :)[22:54:31] <IIsi50MHz> Palm... 96K code segments?[22:55:18] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x55b63f59.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[22:55:19] <miqlas-H> PulkoMandy: you have right, it works with 600mb[22:55:42] <miqlas-H> but it is a pain in the butt to go to the drive setup to get it initialised.[22:56:13] <miqlas-H> ofc, we can provide a ramdisk-create bash script, what creates befs on the new ramdisk, and mounts it automatically.[22:56:38] <IIsi50MHz> Haiku with 4K RAM disk support, perfect for April 1st message. Ported to run within Minecraft![22:57:39] <IIsi50MHz> Yes, that sounds better, miqlas-H. Creating a new RAM should make it completely ready for use.[22:57:40] <PulkoMandy> miqlas-H: yes, or this could be integrated in VirtualMemory prefs[22:57:53] <PulkoMandy> it is nice to be able to chose different filesystems with the low level tools however[22:58:10] <IIsi50MHz> Pulko has the best of it.[22:58:13] <miqlas-H> i think i go to sleep, i did my number today, lik a convict does his number.[22:58:24] <PulkoMandy> and, if all you want is storing files into memory, actually it would be better to use ramFS instead. But I think that doesn't build at the moment[22:58:29] <IIsi50MHz> CTCP miqlas-H PILLOW[22:58:58] <PulkoMandy> (it is a filesystem that does not need a disk-like device with sectors, and that saves the need to "trim" completely. It just uses exactly as much RAM as needed to hold the files[22:59:08] <PulkoMandy> however it can't be backed up to an image file like the ramdisk[22:59:17] <PulkoMandy> (well you can rsync it, still[22:59:17] <IIsi50MHz> I haven't found anything interesting in Trak regarding Activity Monitor and CPU usage.[22:59:27] <IIsi50MHz> But I only went back to 2009[22:59:43] <miqlas> Btw, it is a great music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5c2FXjLtGs[23:01:04] <Mict> miqlas, are you familiar with x64 Haiku?[23:01:12] <miqlas-H> Vision just burning my eyes. why is it white?[23:01:17] <miqlas-H> yep a bit[23:01:36] <Mict> I wonder why it won't boot on my Intel machines, but does with AMD[23:01:59] <Mict> As in won't even go to boot menu, let alone show loading icons[23:02:01] <postmen> how about ant?[23:02:24] <miqlas-H> I'm not a telepath, but a sociopath.[23:02:24] <IIsi50MHz> I would like to use irccloud in WebPositive. Maybe after upgrading it works properly.[23:02:38] <IIsi50MHz> I forgot to try check.[23:02:40] <miqlas-H> Good night guys[23:02:53] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[23:03:17] <PulkoMandy> irccloud will probably need more fixes in the websocket code[23:03:33] <IIsi50MHz> I was sad when they turned off support for older browsers.[23:03:35] <PulkoMandy> didn't touch that part yet (help welcome :))[23:04:37] <IIsi50MHz> I'm still in remedial uni classes. That is, the things I have to retake because it's been so long since I went.[23:04:51] <IIsi50MHz> Haven't any code or hardware classes yet.[23:05:35] <IIsi50MHz> Unless you count Japanese as code. I'm taking this.[23:06:56] <SMCollins> PulkoMandy: if I reboot will ssh reconnect on its own ?[23:07:09] <IIsi50MHz> I forgot most of my maths. ]-:[23:07:15] <postmen> IIsi50MHz: have a look and codecademy.com and video2brain.[23:07:37] * IIsi50MHz looks[23:08:41] <postmen> and khanacademy.org[23:08:43] *** [JJ]Albert <[JJ]Albert!~Albert@2602:306:3bf2:b330:b046:9db0:edb4:317d> has joined #haiku[23:08:54] <Mict> video2brain - no monitor/TV necessary anymore[23:09:20] <SMCollins> wait till the hardware goes in your brain[23:09:27] <IIsi50MHz> khanacademy.org got me through double-math last spring (-=[23:10:21] <[JJ]Albert> IIsi50MHz, sweet[23:10:47] <[JJ]Albert> I wonder if any colleges except transfers from khanacademy courses[23:10:50] <[JJ]Albert> ?[23:11:20] <[JJ]Albert> *accept[23:11:20] <IIsi50MHz> I think not, but sometimes from edX.org they will transfer[23:12:38] <[JJ]Albert> hmm, seems that most of the member universities/colleges are large, non-state ones[23:12:44] <[JJ]Albert> or they are states ones[23:13:07] <[JJ]Albert> sometimes I get it a bit confused on how a college is considered a state college. Usually it seems the college is owned by the state.[23:13:25] <[JJ]Albert> or the province/region[23:15:47] <[JJ]Albert> there's there's private colleges/universities[23:16:02] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[23:16:21] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:16:50] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:25:54] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[23:28:40] *** TwoFx <TwoFx!~TwoFx@tr-v851-hadi-gate.scc.kit.edu> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:35:00] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-205-216-152.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:35:14] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-81-237-9.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[23:35:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[23:36:54] <SMCollins> how do you list usb ?[23:39:31] *** fujisan <fujisan!uid4207@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fawfbcxbyppgscjq> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[23:42:32] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@pool-72-71-226-129.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net> has joined #haiku[23:44:39] *** DaaT <DaaT!~daat@149.18.176.197> has quit IRC (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de)[23:45:37] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@2.69.83.151.mobile.tre.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Lämnar)[23:51:41] <IIsi50MHz> I forget. You'd /think/ Devices would work, but just shows the controllers.[23:51:48] * IIsi50MHz looks in HaikuDepot[23:51:52] <AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy I just noticed that a crash report does not save in the same path (at least for Web+) depending if you save it from the first poping window or if you save the report from the debugger. One save in boot/home witht he other save in boot/home/Desktop[23:52:57] <Mict> listdev or listusb or something[23:53:04] *** neminis <neminis!~neminis@APoitiers-157-1-55-134.w83-193.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal)[23:53:24] <IIsi50MHz> SMCollins: In terminal: listusb[23:53:51] <IIsi50MHz> I guess Linux's "lsusb" is too cryptic a name for us.[23:54:08] <Mict> Got to be different :P[23:54:16] <IIsi50MHz> BeDifferent