November 4, 2016 
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November 4, 2016 [00:02:49] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-wbcwogenlptogvez> has joined #haiku[00:06:39] *** Muzer <Muzer!~muzer@cpc96772-rdng27-2-0-cust294.15-3.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:15:13] *** Muzer <Muzer!~muzer@tim32.org> has joined #haiku[00:24:33] *** [Beta] is now known as johndrinkwter[00:24:35] *** johndrinkwter is now known as johndrinkwater[00:45:37] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[00:46:10] *** knarf <knarf!~knarf@89-159-149-97.rev.numericable.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[00:50:04] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[01:02:46] *** Balthasar <Balthasar!~mmanley@71-95-53-167.dhcp.rvsd.ca.charter.com> has joined #haiku[01:03:12] *** Balthasar is now known as Balthasar|EB840[01:11:05] *** return0e 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<hako!~hako@2a01:388:394:112::1:d> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[02:44:33] *** hako <hako!~hako@2a01:388:394:112::1:d> has joined #haiku[02:55:45] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has joined #haiku[02:59:39] <HAIKU-irker082> haiku.master: anevilyak * hrev50665 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=b72a28a26895+%5E96fef5d19f8f[02:59:40] <HAIKU-irker082> b72a28a26895: x86: Update haikuwebkit to 1.5.3.[03:17:21] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[03:21:53] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[03:23:02] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@ip-178-202-195-72.hsi09.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[03:40:51] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Quit: Barrett)[03:45:14] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!vision@192.95.230.226> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[03:54:52] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!vision@192.95.230.226> has joined #haiku[04:03:57] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-wbcwogenlptogvez> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[04:17:17] <HAIKU-irker082> haiku.master: anevilyak * hrev50666 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=d8d6cf96586f+%5Eb72a28a26895[04:17:18] <HAIKU-irker082> d8d6cf96586f: x86_64: Update haikuwebkit to 1.5.3.[04:21:41] <HAIKU-irker082> haiku.master: anevilyak * hrev50667 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=bdac77bf2ebb+%5Ed8d6cf96586f[04:21:42] <HAIKU-irker082> bdac77bf2ebb: ram_disk: FIx x86-64 build.[04:21:46] <AlienSoldier> was it not already included that 1.5.3?[04:29:11] *** eschatologist <eschatologist!~chanson@2601:646:8c00:6dca:83b4:fe68:d468:a6ce> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC 1.6.3+deb1 - http://znc.in)[04:30:39] *** eschatologist <eschatologist!~chanson@2601:646:8c00:6dca:83b4:fe68:d468:a6ce> has joined #haiku[04:34:33] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-zslbhbprqfomiybf> has joined #haiku[04:46:11] <jessicah> different archs[04:46:25] <jessicah> adrien packaged for gcc2h[04:47:53] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[04:50:00] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@187.61.228.164> has joined #haiku[04:50:08] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@187.61.228.164> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[04:52:02] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[04:56:27] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!vision@192.95.230.226> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[04:57:32] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!vision@192.95.230.226> has joined #haiku[04:57:42] <AlienSoldier> jessicah yes but was it not released alredy for gcc2 also[04:59:30] <AlienSoldier> https://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=5abeb2b498599fc04956deea3dbd0a798cfe4b1f[05:10:11] <jessicah> no, the "x86" package there is for gcc4h systems[05:10:25] <jessicah> webkit is x86 on x86_gcc2[05:11:11] <jessicah> if you have a close look, you'll notice difference in the HaikuPorts file[05:11:33] <jessicah> Adrien's is webkit_x86 inside HaikuPorts/x86_gcc2[05:11:41] <jessicah> Rene's is webkit_x86 inside HaikuPorts/x86[05:11:46] <jessicah> two different archs ;)[05:15:01] <AlienSoldier> jessicah and that is gcc4 or gcc2? https://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=b72a28a26895f39d46367c372d3703d3e99ef272[05:15:19] <jessicah> gcc4[05:16:04] <AlienSoldier> ho i see now, gcc4[05:17:01] <AlienSoldier> i was under the impression there was only a gcc4 hybrid and no gcc2 only[05:18:01] <jessicah> the x86_gcc2 repo file is for both non-hybrid and hybrid builds, and likewise for x86[05:18:22] <jessicah> x86_gcc2 repo is gcc2, gcc2h; x86 repo is gcc4, gcc4h[05:39:44] *** dkasza 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#haiku[11:05:45] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@150.237.94.36> has joined #haiku[11:14:06] *** vjacob <vjacob!~vjacob@ip1.c3268.amb314.cust.comxnet.dk> has joined #haiku[11:14:29] *** rennj <rennj!~rennj@host-69-146-167-35.static.bresnan.net> has joined #haiku[11:16:37] *** vjacob <vjacob!~vjacob@ip1.c3268.amb314.cust.comxnet.dk> has left #haiku[11:19:24] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke)[11:20:22] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[11:24:38] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[11:24:54] <arfonzo> can the haiku image viewer play animated gifs?[11:25:06] <arfonzo> (where's my manners--ahoy friends!)[11:26:12] <arfonzo> ah, I am glad to see that SeanC stopped by :)[11:32:52] <PulkoMandy> hi[11:32:58] <PulkoMandy> no, the image viewer is for still images[11:33:07] <PulkoMandy> maybe it can be made to work in MediaPlayer, however[11:38:12] <arfonzo> ah, ok thanks[11:41:12] *** hako_ <hako_!~hako@2a01:388:394:112::1:d> has joined #haiku[11:42:09] *** bigbluehat <bigbluehat!sid632@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-huugqjfjognbdqly> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[11:43:33] *** brobostigon <brobostigon!~ptaylor@taylorworld.me.uk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[11:43:33] *** phcoder <phcoder!~phcoder@2a02:120b:2c2d:f7f0:208:9bff:fec0:435e> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[11:43:35] *** _marc` <_marc`!~marc@2001:41d0:8:5527::8> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[11:43:42] *** brobostigon <brobostigon!~ptaylor@taylorworld.me.uk> has joined #haiku[11:44:01] *** hako <hako!~hako@2a01:388:394:112::1:d> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[11:44:01] *** xcor <xcor!~xcor@2a02:c7d:c07:7f00:e9ff:f7d3:7358:1ef3> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[11:44:01] *** valeriusq <valeriusq!~quassel@2a01:4f8:d16:2052::2> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[11:44:02] *** HeTo <HeTo!henkka@battery.modeemi.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[11:44:15] <PulkoMandy> arfonzo: I'm going to open issue at haikuporter for the things we want to improve with the buildmaster[11:44:37] *** valeriusN <valeriusN!~quassel@2a01:4f8:d16:2052::2> has joined #haiku[11:45:42] *** xcor <xcor!~xcor@2a02:c7d:c07:7f00:253f:4b05:dd2d:aa2a> has joined #haiku[11:46:37] <arfonzo> PulkoMandy, good idea. Pass me the URL when done.[11:50:47] <jessicah> gah, I've wasted so much time just to change a byte in the kernel binary >_>[11:51:32] <PulkoMandy> arfonzo: just https://github.com/haikuports/haikuporter/issues/98 for now[11:51:32] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-zslbhbprqfomiybf> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[11:51:39] <PulkoMandy> but I'll add more if I think of[11:51:52] *** phcoder <phcoder!~phcoder@2a02:120b:2c2d:f7f0:208:9bff:fec0:435e> has joined #haiku[11:53:45] *** HeTo <HeTo!henkka@battery.modeemi.fi> has joined #haiku[11:54:49] <johnny_b> PulkoMandy: i started to work on that 'reconnecting state' for build master[11:56:31] *** bigbluehat <bigbluehat!sid632@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-skewvceaclsgzyxr> has joined #haiku[11:57:20] *** _marc` <_marc`!~marc@2001:41d0:8:5527::8> has joined #haiku[11:57:43] <johnny_b> i can look on the other problems when i'm ready with it[12:00:46] <PulkoMandy> johnny_b: thanks[12:01:14] <johnny_b> PulkoMandy: yw 8)[12:06:27] <arfonzo> nice, thanks johnny_b :)[12:08:13] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[12:08:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[12:19:44] *** ADS_Sr <ADS_Sr!~ADS_Sr@cpe-173-175-17-54.hot.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com))[12:21:47] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[12:26:29] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[12:32:03] *** pat74 <pat74!~74000@AAnnecy-653-1-187-246.w86-209.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #haiku[12:32:23] *** pat74 <pat74!~74000@AAnnecy-653-1-187-246.w86-209.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[12:42:26] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[12:43:47] <arfonzo> PulkoMandy, cool, I have replied with a few notes.[12:44:22] <arfonzo> It seems to me, that we just need to toggle 'reschedule' to true for the right events/exceptions in that block of code[12:51:00] <PulkoMandy> yes, but we need to see what happens to the logs for the initial run in that case[12:51:11] <PulkoMandy> (we still want a warning that the build failed once I think)[12:51:19] <PulkoMandy> and also not retry indefinitely for actually broken things[12:56:14] <arfonzo> certainly not to retry indefinitely, so yeah, we'll need a counter for that, too.[12:57:02] <arfonzo> I'm thinking why something couldn't be duplicated: a build 1234 fails, is in the JSON 'failed' array. But it's duplicated and queued again in 'scheduled'.[12:57:29] <arfonzo> with a new build number, of course, but I don't see why a package couldn't exist in both failed, and scheduled.[13:00:02] *** Nozy <Nozy!~The@243.113.150.122.sta.dodo.net.au> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving http://bbsweb.mozysswamp.org)[13:02:46] <PulkoMandy> yes, just need the web interface to be aware of that[13:02:55] <PulkoMandy> same package can also be multiple times in failed I think[13:03:12] <PulkoMandy> (this is JSON, there are no primary and foreign keys or whatever)[13:04:44] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-ftpohbtxwyvwzxsi> has joined #haiku[13:07:17] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has quit IRC (Quit: Life beckons.)[13:09:01] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a6af.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[13:12:18] <arfonzo> ok, I don't think my web interface requires any kind of unique packages from the JSON[13:14:09] <PulkoMandy> well, mine will just show the package multiple times I guess, but that's not really what we want, we should merge all the entries as a single line in the list I think[13:14:25] <PulkoMandy> (later on also with the status of previous builds from the history of JSON files)[13:20:10] <arfonzo> a new key/array can be added to the JSON, naming duplicated packages, for example.[13:20:45] <arfonzo> so webifs can parse the JSON, and know that clipdinger is duplicated, and take care of the display nicely.[13:23:43] <stargater> web interface?[13:24:04] <stargater> arfonzo: waht is you web interface?[13:24:31] <arfonzo> stargater, it's just a mirror site I setup to mess around: http://buildslave.arfonzo.org/[13:24:53] <arfonzo> it displays the data from the master site, in another way (and with up to 3 minutes delay)[13:26:51] <stargater> ok, in what is the web interface coded? php, python?[13:27:59] <arfonzo> node[13:28:09] <stargater> uhha[13:28:18] <stargater> arfonzo: better is with golang[13:29:18] <arfonzo> stargater, feel free to code one in golang :)[13:29:51] <arfonzo> (bear in mind this is unofficial, just for investigating the state of the buildbots by me)[13:30:17] <arfonzo> it's not a very nice piece of code, but it's functional for now[13:31:25] <stargater> https://astaxie.gitbooks.io/build-web-application-with-golang/content/en/index.html[13:33:02] <PulkoMandy> arfonzo: also I'd swap complete / active colors, makes sense to have complete stuff in green I think?[13:33:51] <arfonzo> PulkoMandy, hm, I had been debating that in early days, too. I was suggested this palette by humdinger, but I don't see any harm in swapping, I can easily swap back.[13:34:45] <PulkoMandy> also it still says "slaves" instead of "builders" (or "fleet" or whatever)[13:35:11] <arfonzo> rah[13:35:13] <arfonzo> :)[13:35:17] <arfonzo> colours have been swapped[13:36:19] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[13:36:57] <arfonzo> PulkoMandy, ok, language also updated, but if you notice any missing, just let me know :) haha[13:38:57] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@2001:638:50a:232:a464:11e0:ed68:fa> has joined #haiku[13:40:48] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[13:52:03] *** stargate1 <stargate1!~stargater@x4db9c5c7.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[13:52:03] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a6af.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:54:35] *** jessicah <jessicah!uid33885@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lteunsijuysznlcd> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:55:00] *** jessicah <jessicah!uid33885@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qkvonfvokhrsbaal> has joined #haiku[13:55:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jessicah[13:56:54] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@2001:638:50a:232:a464:11e0:ed68:fa> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:58:08] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@2001:638:50a:232:a464:11e0:ed68:fa> has joined #haiku[13:58:17] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@2001:638:50a:232:a464:11e0:ed68:fa> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:58:39] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@wlan-233-76.staff.uni-wuppertal.de> has joined #haiku[13:59:05] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@wlan-233-76.staff.uni-wuppertal.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:59:13] *** geoid_ <geoid_!~geoid@95.131.217.194> has joined #haiku[13:59:25] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@wlan-233-76.staff.uni-wuppertal.de> has joined #haiku[13:59:46] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: GeneralDuke)[14:00:27] *** geoid_ <geoid_!~geoid@95.131.217.194> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[14:01:01] *** geoid_ <geoid_!~geoid@95.131.217.194> has joined #haiku[14:02:35] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@wlan-233-76.staff.uni-wuppertal.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:03:06] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@wlan-233-76.staff.uni-wuppertal.de> has joined #haiku[14:12:04] *** stargate1 <stargate1!~stargater@x4db9c5c7.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal)[14:16:41] *** arroyoc <arroyoc!~Thunderbi@46.136.225.153> has joined #haiku[14:20:18] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4e37814f.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[14:20:18] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[14:24:40] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4e37814f.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[14:37:07] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[14:37:42] *** eddy_b <eddy_b!~eddyb@ipd50ab3d6.speed.planet.nl> has joined #haiku[14:40:12] <SMCollins> So how goes the coding sprint ?[14:41:42] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[14:41:44] <PulkoMandy> it ended tuesday for lack of interested people[14:41:52] <PulkoMandy> so I'm back home hacking on Haiku alone[14:42:18] <johnny_b> 8([14:43:40] <SMCollins> That sucks[14:44:27] <SMCollins> This project need a serious infuion of new coders who are interested, I understand how projects wear people out over time and how hard it is with life to maintain a level of investment and interest at this level.[14:44:53] <johnny_b> true[14:45:06] <SMCollins> Is Beta still moving forward ? I feel like some PSA on beta would help spurr interest, and I feel that one of the things that really need to be adressed right away is the ease with which contributors can contribute.[14:45:57] <SMCollins> The proces to become a commiter is to long, and requires to much permission, why does a commiter need acess to everything in the haiku project, wy can't coders be granted permission to work in specific areas of interest ?[14:46:53] <PulkoMandy> we don't mean to give commit access to the main repo to everyone, this wouldn't work well anyway[14:47:03] <johnny_b> i don't think that this is our biggest problem[14:47:17] <johnny_b> the project has PR problems[14:47:17] <PulkoMandy> look at Linux, few people have direct access to Linus's git, they work in branches and then merge[14:47:27] <johnny_b> yep[14:47:36] <PulkoMandy> we can do the same, but our current way to accept patches is a bit clumsy[14:48:02] <PulkoMandy> however, if people can't be bothered to create a trac account and submit patches there, it's unlikely they will want to invest time in the project anyway[14:48:30] <PulkoMandy> as for beta1, I'm working on getting the build bot to build all the packages, as you know this is the main remaining problem[14:48:44] <PulkoMandy> it is a lot of work, takes time, and no one else seems interested at the moment[14:48:54] <johnny_b> hm?[14:49:16] <SMCollins> PulkoMandy: Yes, that is what I am getting at, but with Linux at least they have people to handle code review and can accept or reject patches, Haiku lack the man power to even do that these days[14:49:23] <PulkoMandy> I also fixed or tried to fix several other problems during the week, mainly related to disk corruption and setting up of partition layouts which was a bit fragile[14:49:36] <SMCollins> What the project needs is a infusion of leadership and manpower[14:49:41] <PulkoMandy> we have the man power for that[14:49:45] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!vision@192.95.230.226> has joined #haiku[14:49:47] <PulkoMandy> about 40 devs with commit access[14:49:59] <PulkoMandy> but the patch review and apply process is painful for them, we need to fix that[14:50:18] <PulkoMandy> since the alpha3 release I have been suggesting that we set up and use Gerrit or a similar code review tool[14:50:37] <PulkoMandy> now we could even use github, they fixed the main problems we had with their workflow[14:50:54] <PulkoMandy> what we need mainly at the moment is a sysadmin (or sysadmin team)[14:51:18] <PulkoMandy> the server is falling apart, new services are not set up, we have to track down people who still have the right to add new committers[14:51:48] <PulkoMandy> and since yesterday, the disk on the main server which hosts all the VMs is full, which means we don't have new nightly builds and we don't have server statistics[14:51:54] <PulkoMandy> and probably a few other things broken[14:51:59] <johnny_b> ouch[14:52:04] <johnny_b> geez 8([14:52:17] <PulkoMandy> this is getting more and more critical. More devs is the last thing we need or close to it.[14:54:18] <PulkoMandy> oh and also, Haiku, inc still doesn't have someone working on doing the financial reports and sending information about their activities with the project, which probably has a negative impact on donations[14:54:52] <PulkoMandy> there was some shifting around in the board of directors lately, so things may start to improve on that side at least[14:55:01] <PulkoMandy> but no public announcement about that yet[14:55:15] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #haiku[14:58:56] <SMCollins> 40 committers is hardly enough people to build a operating system, likely need at least 4-5 or them just to handle the sysadmin work. If my life clears up some time in the near future I would like to get involved with Haiku Inc, Haiu needs money to pay people to work on Haiku, and without a title or role it is hard to goto corporations and ask for 503c money. could hire or farm out the sysadin work with a decent sized budget to a pr[14:59:07] <SMCollins> Some of that could be done to OFFLOAD devs of non critical work[15:00:38] <PulkoMandy> it shouldn't be up to the devs to do sysadmin work, yes[15:00:57] <PulkoMandy> not sure if the inc will agree to hire someone for that - but can't hurt asking[15:10:51] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@wlan-233-76.staff.uni-wuppertal.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:11:06] *** arroyoc <arroyoc!~Thunderbi@46.136.225.153> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[15:15:01] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-ftpohbtxwyvwzxsi> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[15:16:59] *** xemdetia <xemdetia!~xemdetia@129.42.208.167> has joined #haiku[15:18:56] <SMCollins> There are other tasks that should not be on dev's either, don't take this the wrong way, but devs don't always tend to be big picture thinkers, and that skill is required to leadership and organizing the project.[15:20:38] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-nyligfgkzjsydukr> has joined #haiku[15:22:27] *** anijain <anijain!uid117658@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-boydvznxjkafhvne> has joined #haiku[15:22:28] <PulkoMandy> well, organizing, definitely. Leadership, I don't know if it's possible to make people accept that at this point. They just want to hack on things and have fun together[15:23:33] <SMCollins> Well thats what leadership would do, create a environmen. Leadership at the inc could handle fund raising where they can enjoy their passion, without having to deal with all the other BS that just drags them down.[15:23:58] <SMCollins> Leadership would offload all the stuff that developers just don't want to be bothered with truthfully,[15:24:27] <SMCollins> leadership could get money together, handle contract adminstration etc etc etc, but leave the coders to play and serve the needds of the uer as well.[15:24:47] <PulkoMandy> Haiku, inc is doing that part[15:24:50] *** arroyoc <arroyoc!~Thunderbi@46.136.225.153> has joined #haiku[15:25:06] <PulkoMandy> maybe not in the most efficient way at the moment but that's their role at least[15:26:45] <SMCollins> That my point, a civilian non coder would likely be better in that role[15:26:58] <SMCollins> let the inc be run by non coders, let the coders handle code[15:27:06] <PulkoMandy> yes[15:27:21] <PulkoMandy> Matt Madia has been doing this for years, but he has no time now[15:27:44] <PulkoMandy> Urias was in the inc and is not involved in Haiku dev either[15:27:56] <PulkoMandy> and of course in the early days we had Michael Phipps[15:28:39] <SMCollins> right, but outside of Phipps, there hasn;t been much in the way of real leadership, Phipps had a vision and was able to get buy in and motivate people[15:29:02] <PulkoMandy> I don't know, I wasn't around at the time[15:29:28] <SMCollins> I was around back then towards the end of his tenure and the project had a different feel[15:29:32] <SMCollins> les drifting about[15:29:41] <SMCollins> it had a high level focus and a strategy[15:30:14] <PulkoMandy> that may not be just because of him, however. It's always harder to complete the last part of a project[15:30:39] <PulkoMandy> devs are eager to implement new features, redesign stuff, etc, which is quite exactly what you don't want when trying to get a stable release out[15:30:39] <johnny_b> Koki was good in PR although he wasn't in Haiku, Inc.[15:30:46] <SMCollins> Maybe what we could do, is get a retired executive to contribute some time, I know a few groups of retired execs who coach small business's, let me ask and see if they have any people who could help the current board members mobilize or even have someone who might be a good fit to help[15:31:25] <SMCollins> I think devs adding features as fine, as long as it i in a branch[15:31:45] <PulkoMandy> yes, but that means devs not working on fixing bugs[15:31:46] <SMCollins> Trunk should be a place for stable code[15:32:16] <PulkoMandy> I plan to shift things around in the repo during the beta1 release process[15:32:36] <PulkoMandy> so there will be a stable branch based on beta1 and people can do whatever they want with the trunk[15:33:07] <PulkoMandy> probably means I'll be rather alone in the beta1 branch trying to get it forward to final R1, but at least there will be a stable branch to make releases from[15:33:29] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9c5c7.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[15:33:37] <PulkoMandy> we'll see if users run it or if they are so excited about the new cool stuff in trunk and use that instead[15:38:28] *** geoid_ <geoid_!~geoid@95.131.217.194> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[15:50:32] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!vision@192.95.230.226> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[15:53:17] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@46-227-67-187.pool.ovpn.se> has joined #haiku[15:53:21] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[15:57:56] <arfonzo> PulkoMandy, indeed you are right, having recently donated a non-trivial amount, I did expect at least a canned generic thank you/receipt of donation email, even if it wasn't personal.[15:58:06] <arfonzo> it's small things, but they add up.[15:58:15] <arfonzo> (same with the everlasting problem of the updated donation meter)[15:58:32] <johnny_b> 8([15:58:56] <PulkoMandy> well, people please get involved with the inc and help them put things in shape so the treasurer can actually be replaced[15:59:11] <PulkoMandy> by someone with more time to manage those things[16:00:48] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@2001:638:50a:232:a464:11e0:ed68:fa> has joined #haiku[16:16:18] *** geoid <geoid!~geoid@213.205.198.230> has joined #haiku[16:26:36] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85b0d0.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[16:26:36] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[16:26:49] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-nyligfgkzjsydukr> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[16:27:34] *** geoid <geoid!~geoid@213.205.198.230> has quit IRC (Quit: Be back later ...)[16:27:56] <Vidrep> Hi humdinger[16:28:01] *** geoid <geoid!~geoid@213.205.198.230> has joined #haiku[16:28:04] <humdinger> hullo[16:28:38] <Vidrep> Did you read the forum post re. Haiku Email?[16:29:02] <humdinger> I think I saw you have another provideinfo.[16:29:43] <humdinger> And I still feel the burn of your admonishment wrt the jamfile. :)[16:29:46] <Vidrep> Yeah, that's it[16:29:59] <Vidrep> LOL[16:30:12] <humdinger> you work on more providerinfos?[16:30:19] <humdinger> then I'd wait with the committing[16:30:31] <Vidrep> I'll try and do the same for Yahoo.ca and Rogers[16:30:47] <humdinger> ok. cool![16:30:47] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: hi, do you run Haiku from CDs?[16:31:00] <Vidrep> Like a live CD?[16:31:34] <PulkoMandy> yes[16:31:51] <PulkoMandy> there is an old bug about wpa_supplicant not working ("application can not be found") on Live CD[16:32:08] <Vidrep> No. I do my installs from CD using a anyboot.image[16:32:25] <PulkoMandy> I found that 1) I have only one old CDRW which seems broken, and 2) My machines have either wifi, OR a CD drive, so I can't test if it still happens[16:32:38] *** geoid <geoid!~geoid@213.205.198.230> has quit IRC (Read error: 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sequence[17:14:57] <PulkoMandy> yes, that's when it looks for boot partitions[17:15:11] <PulkoMandy> before that it's just the kernel, nothing else loaded from disk yet[17:16:12] <Vidrep> I can try it on a desktop (plug in USB CD and try booting)[17:18:44] <Vidrep> I have Haiku on that laptop, but wireless is not dtected[17:19:00] <Vidrep> I need to use a wired connection[17:19:24] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[17:31:43] *** zeenine <zeenine!~Vision@user-188-33-54-171.play-internet.pl> has joined #haiku[17:32:24] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@x4e37814f.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[17:32:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[17:35:23] *** anijain <anijain!uid117658@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-boydvznxjkafhvne> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[17:35:38] *** zeenine <zeenine!~Vision@user-188-33-54-171.play-internet.pl> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[17:39:14] <arfonzo> PulkoMandy, a packaging buildship can host multiple instances, right?[17:39:20] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@2001:638:50a:232:a464:11e0:ed68:fa> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[17:39:29] <arfonzo> I'm considering the best way to start testing the changes johnny_b's done[17:39:33] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[17:39:48] <arfonzo> (it would be easiest to fire up another instance on my current ship and point it at some dev master)[17:40:53] *** TMM <TMM!~hp@fsf/member/pdpc.professional.tmm> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[17:43:41] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[17:49:56] *** arroyoc <arroyoc!~Thunderbi@46.136.225.153> has quit IRC (Quit: arroyoc)[18:00:06] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[18:00:13] <Vidrep> Hi again[18:01:04] <humdinger> wb Vidrep[18:01:51] <Vidrep> The last thing I'd thought I'd be doing today is looking at that old netbook[18:02:36] <humdinger> got your glasses?[18:02:41] <humdinger> tiny display?[18:03:16] <PulkoMandy> arfonzo: yes, it will need a separate checkout of haikuports[18:03:33] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-fzakjwisdmcrxrpc> has joined #haiku[18:03:38] <PulkoMandy> and of haikuporter if there are changes for the builder there[18:03:44] *** geoid <geoid!~geoid@79-76-137-16.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com> has joined #haiku[18:03:47] <Vidrep> It's a HP Mini 311. Wifi still not working: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/6474 Audio still not working: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12356[18:04:47] <arfonzo> ok, no problem about that PulkoMandy. thanks.[18:05:03] <Vidrep> The USB CD rom boots OK with my desktop PC's, but goes into KDL (as described earlier) on the netbook[18:05:29] <Vidrep> So, it isn't a problem with the external USB CD rom[18:07:02] <Vidrep> I ran the install-wifi-firmwares.sh script and all that on the netbook[18:07:38] <Vidrep> I also installed OSS drivers and blacklisted the on-board audio[18:07:50] <Vidrep> So, that's the story :)[18:08:53] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, sorry I couldn't help get you guys closer to a solution to the Live CD issue :([18:10:11] <Vidrep> humdinger, go ahead and add the Shaw.ca email rdef. I don't know when, or if I'll get to the others[18:11:50] <Barrett> I think I can add the MP plugin API without audio/video filtering[18:11:58] <Barrett> we could then set up various GCI tasks[18:13:27] <humdinger> Vidrep: OK.[18:13:32] <Barrett> in future the playlist itself can become a plugin[18:15:49] <Vidrep> humdinger, considering the amount of time it took, it might be worthwhile to do a forum article on setting up email with Shaw (screenshots etc)[18:16:49] <humdinger> Vidrep: really? should be just like any other, no? And easier when the textfields are pre-filled by the providerInfo[18:16:59] <Vidrep> The folks in the Linux community sure seemed to have a lot of problems judging by the number of threads[18:17:36] <Vidrep> It should work for Haiku now. I tested it every which way to make sure[18:18:36] <Vidrep> Let's see how the provider info works for us, once the buildbots get going again[18:19:03] <humdinger> right. they are on strike.[18:19:53] <Vidrep> Like a lot of other things, email needs some love as well...[18:21:40] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@x4e37814f.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[18:22:22] <humdinger> to be honest, I'm now so used to the gmail webinterface, that I probably won't use the mail_daemon.[18:22:27] <humdinger> at least for my main account[18:22:48] <arfonzo> PulkoMandy, ship's just crashed :|[18:23:00] <arfonzo> I've restarted, I have the serial log, but it could be 10-15 minutes before it boots back up now, with serial[18:23:10] <arfonzo> let's see how the new reconnection code works, heh[18:23:50] <Vidrep> Still, the Haiku email should be easy to configure and use.[18:24:27] <Vidrep> There were a couple of things that struck me as a little odd[18:25:35] <PulkoMandy> arfonzo: mine crashed as well, and the master marked it offline apparently without retrying[18:25:44] <arfonzo> raaaaaah[18:26:03] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@x4e37814f.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[18:27:00] <arfonzo> PulkoMandy, your website is showing it as still building?[18:27:04] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df54:60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[18:29:29] <arfonzo> ah, guess you restarted it then, too[18:30:16] <Vidrep> Hi Barrett! (better late than never :))[18:31:03] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: GeneralDuke)[18:33:19] <PulkoMandy> arfonzo: no, somehow it didn't notice your slave is offline?[18:37:43] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[18:37:53] <arfonzo> hmmm[18:37:54] <arfonzo> 2016-11-04 18:04:53,340: starting build 7764, ca_root_certificates-2015_10_28 on builder arfonzo_vbox[18:37:54] <arfonzo> 2016-11-04 18:26:18,104: build 7764, ca_root_certificates-2015_10_28 failed[18:37:54] <arfonzo> 2016-11-04 18:26:18,105: transient error, rescheduling build[18:38:09] *** stippi1 <stippi1!~Thunderbi@x4e37814f.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[18:38:09] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi1[18:38:10] <arfonzo> this... makes it look like it should already be rescheduled (from the master log)[18:38:46] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@x4e37814f.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[18:38:46] *** stippi1 is now known as stippi[18:40:27] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@x4e37814f.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[18:42:15] *** Balthasar|HPWork is now known as DrHouse|Yuno[18:42:32] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[18:43:09] *** DrHouse|Yuno is now known as Balthasar|HPWork[18:43:17] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[18:45:28] *** Balthasar|HPWork is now known as DrHouse|Yuno[18:45:58] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, thanks for looking into this one: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/6761#comment:7[18:46:21] *** DrHouse|Yuno is now known as Balthasar|HPWork[18:46:49] <PulkoMandy> yes, everyone is complaining about lack of an office suite, but we should try to provide the base functions (printing) in the OS first :)[18:47:22] <PulkoMandy> well the good news is the bugs are where I expected them, and this can possibly affect WebKit as well since it uses some of the same codepaths[18:58:14] <Barrett> having google docs would be a good palliative[18:58:32] <Barrett> until someone decides to take the effort of porting a big suite[18:59:01] <Barrett> and it would improve web+ too[18:59:27] *** Klima <Klima!~Klima@static-78-8-176-191.ssp.dialog.net.pl> has joined #haiku[19:01:53] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[19:07:30] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@ip-178-202-195-72.hsi09.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #haiku[19:09:32] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85b0d0.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[19:09:38] *** TMM <TMM!~hp@fsf/member/pdpc.professional.tmm> has joined #haiku[19:12:21] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[19:13:23] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85b0d0.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[19:13:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[19:14:13] <SMCollins> I would love google docs, didn't Caligra go pure QT recently, the newer qt versions should get caligra working, but I think the QT stuff is missing printing support[19:14:29] <SMCollins> peace out ttyl[19:14:33] *** SMCollins <SMCollins!4014c2c6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.20.194.198> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[19:23:17] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[19:27:23] <Vidrep> PukoMandy, "base functions" should be always be first priority[19:28:28] <Vidrep> I have Haiku network printing set up, so if you need someting tested, let me know[19:29:33] <Vidrep> Sorry "PulkoMandy" :)[19:30:01] <humdinger> we call him Pul[tab][19:30:35] <Vidrep> I really need a new keyboard (or clean this one up)[19:30:58] <humdinger> hold it upsidedown so the coffee can drip out?[19:31:09] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@79.108.240.54.dyn.user.ono.com> has joined #haiku[19:32:06] <Vidrep> The keys are held together with coffee and granola bar crumbs. Would make a good cement :)[19:32:18] <humdinger> delicious[19:32:40] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@79.108.240.54.dyn.user.ono.com> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[19:33:13] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@79.108.240.54.dyn.user.ono.com> has joined #haiku[19:33:16] <Vidrep> Do we have ANY support for PCIe USB 3.0 cards?[19:33:46] <Vidrep> I have two, but neither work on Haiku[19:34:09] <humdinger> no idea[19:34:34] <Vidrep> Time for a enhancement ticket perhaps?[19:35:33] *** geoid___ <geoid___!~geoid@193.200.150.202> has joined #haiku[19:36:50] *** geoid <geoid!~geoid@79-76-137-16.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[19:38:52] *** cdesai <cdesai!~cd@cyanogenmod/maintainer/cdesai> has quit IRC (K-Lined)[19:48:08] *** regreg <regreg!regreg@85.121.54.224> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[19:50:10] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-fzakjwisdmcrxrpc> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[20:00:44] *** eschatologist <eschatologist!~chanson@2601:646:8c00:6dca:83b4:fe68:d468:a6ce> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[20:01:03] *** eschatologist <eschatologist!~chanson@c-73-189-131-221.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[20:08:27] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@55d45989.access.ecotel.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[20:21:21] *** HaikuUser2 <HaikuUser2!~vision@79.108.240.54.dyn.user.ono.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[20:24:48] <PulkoMandy> they should work the same as built-in USB3 (that is, most likely not very well)[20:38:45] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85b0d0.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[21:06:40] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@46-227-67-187.pool.ovpn.se> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[21:15:52] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@ip-178-202-195-72.hsi09.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[21:17:37] <mmu_man> bleh, where is my bold gone?[21:21:59] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@81-225-60-243-no168.bredband.skanova.com> has joined #haiku[21:24:01] *** Wellenbrett <Wellenbrett!~Thunderbi@p5792501D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[21:40:38] <PulkoMandy> ThemeManager needs an update because of removal of old DeskBar.h: http://192.168.0.1/~pulkomandy/output/builds/7659.log[21:40:53] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9c5c7.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[21:41:32] <PulkoMandy> ThemeManager needs an update because of removal of old DeskBar.h: http://pulkomandy.tk/~pulkomandy/output/builds/7659.log[21:41:50] <PulkoMandy> shared_mime_info installs stuff in /share: http://pulkomandy.tk/~pulkomandy/output/builds/7659.log[21:42:28] <PulkoMandy> looking for "safe sources" for smjpeg http://192.168.0.1/~pulkomandy/output/builds/7659.log , vbox and vmware guest additions http://192.168.0.1/~pulkomandy/output/builds/7701.log http://192.168.0.1/~pulkomandy/output/builds/7705.log http://192.168.0.1/~pulkomandy/output/builds/7706.log[21:42:44] <PulkoMandy> transmission fails to extract: http://192.168.0.1/~pulkomandy/output/builds/7691.log[21:43:08] <PulkoMandy> and texlive uses the wrong version of makeinfo but I have to figure out which version is the right one: http://192.168.0.1/~pulkomandy/output/builds/7682.log[21:43:18] <PulkoMandy> and we'll be ready for another attempt to build everything…[21:45:15] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[21:45:53] *** pebble` <pebble`!~pebble@unaffiliated/espiral> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[21:46:12] *** siel <siel!~siel@unaffiliated/motley> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[21:48:09] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has joined #haiku[21:48:33] *** phcoder <phcoder!~phcoder@2a02:120b:2c2d:f7f0:208:9bff:fec0:435e> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[21:48:38] *** 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branch and not enough buildslaves (1 running on arfonzo's desktop + one of my desktop machines)[21:54:09] <mmu_man> I should set up this box here[21:54:13] <mmu_man> but I'm too lazy :p[21:54:44] <PulkoMandy> btw, I removed qemacs and libmpdclient from the release branch, because the recipes point to some git/svn and that's not a "safe source"[21:55:05] <PulkoMandy> we can re-add them when they decide to make a release, or just put a tarball up somewhere or use a github mirror[21:55:15] <PulkoMandy> (github can generate an archive on the fly from a git repo)[21:55:57] <mmu_man> hmm[21:56:06] <mmu_man> I think there are releases for those[21:56:14] <PulkoMandy> not for the latest version[21:56:18] <PulkoMandy> but I can put the old ones[21:56:26] <mmu_man> oh, btw, the logs are on a local IP :p[21:56:29] <PulkoMandy> (qemac 0.3.3 + patches that have been upstreamed since then)[21:56:36] <PulkoMandy> yes, replace with pulkomandy.tk :)[21:56:46] <PulkoMandy> I'm too lazy to adjust the URLs :)[21:57:31] <SMCollins_> PulkoMandy: you still here ?[21:57:34] <PulkoMandy> yes[21:58:14] <SMCollins_> Would it be better for me to run haiku in a VM and just dedicate some cpu to it ? I knd of need windows up and running at the moment[21:58:19] <mmu_man> hmm still 0.3.3 on http://bellard.org/qemacs/[21:58:35] <SMCollins_> or should I dedicate my old 2core amd sluch box which has a dual core 3.4ghz phenom ?[21:58:59] <PulkoMandy> SMCollins_: as you wish, currently there is 1 native and 1 VM slave[21:59:15] <SMCollins_> which one will have more power to get work done ?[21:59:50] <PulkoMandy> I don't know your hardware, and I don't often use VMs, so no idea[22:00:23] <SMCollins_> the big bruiser machine I am on now is a AMD 8350 8 core at 4.2ghz, the other one is a phenom 2 at 3.4 ghz,[22:00:53] <SMCollins_> is ram a big deal ? I think the other machine has 4 gb[22:01:15] <PulkoMandy> 4GB is good, 2GB is the minimum for 4 cores I think[22:01:20] <PulkoMandy> (but we can run with less cores)[22:01:43] <SMCollins_> I can setup a VM on this machine and leave it up indefinately provided no power outages[22:01:49] <SMCollins_> I'll get that going[22:02:19] <PulkoMandy> ok[22:02:34] <PulkoMandy> do you have a fixed IP address or domain name, or do we need to setup reverse ssh?[22:02:52] <mmu_man> there's a 2.10 for libmpdclient[22:03:33] <SMCollins_> no, my ip adress is leased annoyingly[22:03:43] <PulkoMandy> SMCollins_: ok, reverse ssh it is then[22:07:34] <mmu_man> Checking if any package-infos need to be updated ...[22:07:34] <mmu_man> libmpdclient-2.10 is still marked as broken on target architecture[22:07:34] <mmu_man> updating dependency infos of libmpdclient_x86-2.11_git[22:07:34] <mmu_man> removing dependency-infos for libmpdclient_x86-2.10, as newer version is active[22:07:37] <mmu_man> Looking for stale dependency-infos ...[22:07:39] <mmu_man> Checking if package dependencies need to be updated ...[22:07:42] <mmu_man> removing dependency-infos for libmpdclient_x86-2.11_git, as different version is active[22:07:45] <mmu_man> updating dependency infos of libmpdclient_x86-2.10[22:07:47] <mmu_man> lol[22:08:06] *** lelldorin <lelldorin!~chatzilla@x4e32b291.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[22:08:41] <lelldorin> hello all[22:08:46] <PulkoMandy> yes so I can use the recipe for 2.10[22:09:00] <mmu_man> plop[22:09:15] <mmu_man> I'll push it after testing it[22:09:46] <PulkoMandy> thanks[22:11:17] <mmu_man> hey, the git bot is down?[22:11:27] <PulkoMandy> possibly[22:11:37] <PulkoMandy> baron had disk full today, so some things may be broken[22:11:58] <mmu_man> ah[22:15:17] *** jessicah <jessicah!uid33885@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qkvonfvokhrsbaal> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[22:16:04] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:16:33] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[22:16:55] *** Klima <Klima!~Klima@static-78-8-176-191.ssp.dialog.net.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Quiit...)[22:20:04] *** jessicah <jessicah!uid33885@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ciweakrepservxfh> has joined #haiku[22:20:04] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jessicah[22:21:37] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:23:08] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[22:23:16] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4e37814f.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[22:23:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[22:25:16] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, I created a enhancement ticket for USB 3.0 PCIe cards: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13056[22:25:41] <Vidrep> Whenever it gets looked at, they can ask for further info at that time[22:27:40] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4e37814f.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[22:31:55] <Vidrep> I see that Gutenprint 5.2.12-pre4 is available as of Nov. 1. Is this something we want to update now, or wait for the next point release?[22:37:08] *** Wellenbrett <Wellenbrett!~Thunderbi@p5792501D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Wellenbrett)[22:38:44] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[22:41:13] <PulkoMandy> mh, virtualbox has releases but no 4.3.53 version. http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/[22:41:31] <PulkoMandy> mmu_man: do you remember why our recipe version is 4.3.53?[22:43:20] <mmu_man> svn[22:43:46] <PulkoMandy> yes, but the buildbots can't use that, they want an archive[22:44:08] <mmu_man> GRRR where's my BOLD gone?[22:44:21] <mmu_man> now I get blueish things over my blue bg[22:44:40] <PulkoMandy> in terminal you mean?[22:44:46] <PulkoMandy> there is an "allow bold text" setting[22:44:47] <mmu_man> it might look nice on black bg but not here[22:44:48] <mmu_man> yes[22:45:32] <PulkoMandy> commit 105acc92e35ed56c5c10cc3a8d05fcbc13291b94[22:45:49] <mmu_man> hmm still the colors are way too pastel[22:46:08] <mmu_man> does it change its interpretation of settings in some way?[22:46:17] <PulkoMandy> yes[22:48:42] <mmu_man> hmm the ANSI colors are not editable in the settings window[22:49:08] <PulkoMandy> no, you can only change color profiles[22:50:04] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-163-96-53.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:50:17] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-90-97-145.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[22:50:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[22:53:56] <mmu_man> I think I'll just go with solarized dark for now[22:57:16] <mmu_man> PulkoMandy: that was probably the release candidate version in SVN when I wrote the recipe[22:57:38] <PulkoMandy> yes, but the next actual version is 5.something[22:57:47] <mmu_man> rep VBOX_VER Config.kmk | head -3[22:57:47] <mmu_man> VBOX_VERSION_MAJOR = 5[22:57:47] <mmu_man> VBOX_VERSION_MINOR = 1[22:57:47] <mmu_man> VBOX_VERSION_BUILD = 51[22:57:52] <PulkoMandy> we can try to update the recipe to that I guess, or a newer one[22:58:05] <mmu_man> I still have some reverted patches on that one[22:58:53] <mmu_man> but it's awfully slow to build on my vm[22:59:01] <mmu_man> need to plug my othe rbox[23:00:15] *** geoid___ <geoid___!~geoid@193.200.150.202> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:00:44] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@81-225-60-243-no168.bredband.skanova.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:02:16] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[23:02:52] *** SMcollins2 <SMcollins2!~vision@c-98-209-68-103.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[23:03:26] *** SMCollins_ <SMCollins_!62d14467@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.209.68.103> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[23:06:01] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[23:12:36] *** Hare2 <Hare2!~Pol23@p57A38524.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[23:17:41] *** lelldorin <lelldorin!~chatzilla@x4e32b291.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 42.0/20151029151421])[23:19:35] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df54:60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:20:54] *** xemdetia <xemdetia!~xemdetia@129.42.208.167> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[23:22:19] *** DingoSaar <DingoSaar!~hagen@pD9E09423.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[23:24:01] *** zephjc <zephjc!~Adium@2607:fcc8:bdcf:e900:18e:1eb7:83ce:54e5> has joined #haiku[23:24:17] *** dkasza <dkasza!~dkasza@c-24-128-225-78.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[23:28:21] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df54:60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[23:29:28] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df54:60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:31:03] *** TwoFx <TwoFx!~TwoFx@tr-v851-hadi-gate.scc.kit.edu> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:34:11] *** Hare2 <Hare2!~Pol23@p57A38524.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has left #haiku[23:35:20] *** zephjc <zephjc!~Adium@2607:fcc8:bdcf:e900:18e:1eb7:83ce:54e5> has left #haiku[23:36:10] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df54:60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[23:37:11] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df54:60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:41:20] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:42:51] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df54:60:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[23:44:40] *** SMcollins2 <SMcollins2!~vision@c-98-209-68-103.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[23:48:09] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@dslb-084-057-152-165.084.057.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[23:48:43] <miqlas-H> postfix on Haiku : http://chunk.io/f/4485cb86027345899c381ff19dfb6eed[23:53:36] <miqlas-H> why can i update my haiku install? pkgman keep saying nothing to do.[23:53:52] <miqlas-H> is it still the full-hdd problem?[23:54:40] <jessicah> yes[23:56:16] <miqlas-H> thx[23:56:36] <miqlas-H> rm -rf pr0n[23:58:27] <johnny_b> nobody watches pr0n ...