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[04:59:37] <AlienSoldier> seem youtube in Web+ have frame rate issue now
[05:00:07] <AlienSoldier> it's not the economy , stupid... it's regression :P
[05:20:26] <HAIKU-irker082> e435cf58c7c1: Update pci.ids from pciids.sourceforge.net
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[10:06:42] <humdinger> Hi PulkoMandy!
[10:07:16] <PulkoMandy> hi
[10:07:23] <humdinger> You remember the Media prefs not liking soundfonts with spaces in their name?
[10:08:00] <humdinger> reading up on sscanf, I changed that line to :
[10:08:02] <humdinger> sscanf(buffer, "# Midi Settings\n soundfont = %[^\n]s\n",
[10:08:17] <humdinger> That seems to work. Is the change OK?
[10:08:38] <PulkoMandy> I don't know enough scanf
[10:08:45] * PulkoMandy re-reads the manpage
[10:09:03] <humdinger> otherwise sscanf stops at the space.
[10:09:13] <humdinger> ...in a filename
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[10:09:39] <PulkoMandy> yes
[10:10:23] <PulkoMandy> why isn't that file using driver settings format? that would be easier to parse and allow for adding more settings in the future
[10:10:44] <humdinger> no idea. and above m pay grade :)
[10:10:45] <PulkoMandy> the current "parser" will break apart if any change is made to the file (blank lines, adding comments, ...)
[10:11:43] <PulkoMandy> I would consider using this
[10:12:01] <PulkoMandy> the file would have to look like this:
[10:12:04] <PulkoMandy> midi {
[10:12:17] <PulkoMandy> soundfont "path/to/soundfont.sf2"
[10:12:19] <PulkoMandy> }
[10:12:28] <PulkoMandy> but we have APIs to properly parse and use that
[10:13:07] <humdinger> OK. I'll try to look into that...
[10:13:22] <humdinger> damn, though I had a fur character fix. :)
[10:13:26] <humdinger> *thought
[10:13:31] <humdinger> *four
[10:13:43] <PulkoMandy> well we can apply it but it really isn't friendly to manual editing of the file
[10:14:17] * PulkoMandy also noticed his webcam now shows in the "audio" list in Media prefs. I guess someone tried to use BOutlineListView again
[10:15:10] <humdinger> OK. let's put the [^\n] in there to fix the no-spaces thing for now and try to remodel using driver setting format next.
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[10:15:55] <PulkoMandy> ok, sounds fine
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[10:17:40] <jessicah> is your webcam working?
[10:17:44] <PulkoMandy> no
[10:17:47] <jessicah> or is it still at just the detection phase?
[10:17:52] <PulkoMandy> but it's detected now at least
[10:18:01] <jessicah> definitely progress :)
[10:18:07] <PulkoMandy> I can push that change if people are interested in hacking with webcams :)
[10:18:21] <PulkoMandy> humdinger: mh, I think it should be "# Midi Settings\n soundfont = %[^\n]\n"
[10:18:22] <jessicah> I don't know where mine is, so I'm no help atm
[10:18:26] <PulkoMandy> (without trailing s)
[10:18:57] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: you're right. thanks!
[10:21:08] <humdinger> How do we deal with trailing spaces in translatable strings like B_TRANSLATE("Active SoundFont: ") ?
[10:21:23] <humdinger> add the space with another .Append(" ")?
[10:21:38] <humdinger> or are trailers OK?
[10:22:06] <PulkoMandy> it should be B_TRANSLATE("Active SoundFont: %soundfont%") and a ReplaceAll call
[10:22:40] <PulkoMandy> in case some messages needs a grammar lile "%soundfont% is the active soundfont.", they can switch the position
[10:23:31] <humdinger> OK. thanks!
[10:24:37] <PulkoMandy> (and I don't know why we have this. isn't selecting the soundfont in the list enough to show it is active?)
[10:24:46] <PulkoMandy> (and shouldn't the list be a BPopUpMenu?)
[10:25:59] <humdinger> all good points :)
[10:26:31] <humdinger> Showing the paths isn't really needed either, I'd say.
[10:26:49] <humdinger> makes for very long pop-up menu items.
[10:27:39] <humdinger> other enhancements would be install to non-packaged if a sf is dropped and live updates for installed sfs.
[10:27:49] <humdinger> needs a restart of media prefs currently.
[10:28:01] <PulkoMandy> I would add an "open soundfont folder in tracker" button too
[10:30:25] <PulkoMandy> mh… why does libtool requires cmd:tar >= 1.28? Wouldn't old versions do? Do we need "compat" on all cmd provides?
[10:31:30] <arfonzo> ahoy friends, morning
[10:31:33] <jessicah> that's a bit pedantic for sure =/
[10:31:39] <jessicah> aloha arfonzo
[10:31:44] <humdinger> hullo
[10:32:00] <arfonzo> PulkoMandy, agreed about the compat. I feel at times someone went in with a bulk script to update all recipes with compats and $jobArgs! (I know it's likely not the case... but... )
[10:32:07] <arfonzo> aloha jessicah
[10:32:47] <PulkoMandy> well compat for libs makes sense
[10:33:00] <PulkoMandy> mh, and it should work in this case, tar says compat >= 1
[10:33:14] <PulkoMandy> why did libtool end up with a dependency on 1.28 then?
[10:33:39] * PulkoMandy tries rebuilding libtool…
[10:33:56] <jessicah> isn't that what haikuporter does?
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[10:43:24] <arfonzo> (basic stuff)
[10:43:40] <arfonzo> not sure whether we need to PR this, or just update your local config on master.
[10:46:21] <PulkoMandy> PR please, but I'm not sure about increasing the delay this way
[10:46:26] <jessicah> I need to finish setting up the hyper-converged cluster out at uni
[10:46:44] <jessicah> oh, but hyper-v, hmm
[10:46:48] <arfonzo> well, is there a need to PR that, given it's two lines, and you're not sure about 1? :)
[10:46:52] <arfonzo> jessicah, yay, H-V :)
[10:47:13] <arfonzo> PulkoMandy, I don't mind, just want to avoid noise, if that's what it's going to be.
[10:47:21] <jessicah> the hyper-converged cluster would make a decent host for builders though :p
[10:47:26] <PulkoMandy> arfonzo: it will keep retrying for 6 hours this way, but the intervals at the end will be quite long
[10:47:31] <PulkoMandy> (poll every 500 seconds)
[10:47:44] <PulkoMandy> jessicah: I happily accept more builders :)
[10:48:02] <jessicah> something like 1.2 might be a better multiplication factor?
[10:48:09] <arfonzo> yes. I mean, that's the more simplistic formula I could think of. Surely we could tweak that too.
[10:48:17] <arfonzo> agreed jessicah
[10:48:36] * arfonzo feels ridiculous to PR something like this
[10:48:38] <PulkoMandy> yes, 5 + 1.2 * retry count or so
[10:48:52] <PulkoMandy> arfonzo: then ask for direct commit access to haikuports? :)
[10:48:54] <arfonzo> PulkoMandy, you want me to update my fork with 1.2 factor, then PR? I can do too
[10:49:18] <arfonzo> bah, not sure I want to go there... nor do I think that's safe in my hands :) :(
[10:49:22] <jessicah> PulkoMandy: I need more disk space locally before I can setup the builders I intended to set up
[10:49:47] <jessicah> an 8TB hdd is on the horizon
[10:49:49] <HAIKU-irker082> c9275bf5173f: Fix loading of MIDI SoundFonts with spaces in filename
[10:49:52] <PulkoMandy> I ran a build with 2 machines yesterday and they both crashed before we had all packages built
[10:50:03] <arfonzo> PulkoMandy, that is annoying indeed :(
[10:50:18] <arfonzo> I'm working from home today, so if you wanted to re-try another full build, I can at least monitor it closer here today.
[10:50:43] <PulkoMandy> well let's add your changes so the builders have a chance to resume after a crash
[10:50:53] <PulkoMandy> we'll maybe tweak KDL to auto-reboot them too
[10:51:11] <arfonzo> oh, we can do that in KDL?
[10:51:22] <PulkoMandy> we have the sourcecode, we can do anything we want :>
[10:51:51] <arfonzo> true enough
[10:52:17] <PulkoMandy> there is an "auto command" feature currently used to print the backtrace automatically on crashes
[10:52:32] <PulkoMandy> not sure if it's configurable in a settings file or hardcoded somewhere however
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[10:53:28] <arfonzo> PulkoMandy, jessicah : sleep for 5 + (1.2*retry_count)
[10:53:35] <arfonzo> this ok?
[10:54:03] <PulkoMandy> yes, that will retry every 2 minutes near the end, and a bit less than 2 hours total
[10:54:22] <arfonzo> yeah, exactly. It gives around a 2h window. Not sure that's sufficient... but for now it's much better.
[10:54:39] <PulkoMandy> well we can increase the retry count
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[10:55:56] <jessicah> it would be kind of nice if it didn't need restarting to pick up builders... like if it checked for new builders/connections after every package build event...
[10:56:25] <jessicah> that's probably a bit of work to implement though
[10:56:33] <PulkoMandy> well, if it keeps retrying, it will reconnect to them eventually
[10:56:54] <PulkoMandy> retry count to 140 gives us more than 3 hours if I get the math right
[10:57:18] <PulkoMandy> (140²/2)*1.2/3600
[10:58:19] <arfonzo> ok, PR'd!
[10:58:45] <jessicah> hmm, got no meds for sleeping :( but think I'll go have a nap anyway
[10:58:59] <jessicah> then come back later, see if I can shake out this stupid kernel args versioning
[10:59:05] <arfonzo> the best med for sleeping is a purring cat
[10:59:09] <arfonzo> nap well! :)
[10:59:23] <jessicah> wish it was that simple for me
[10:59:31] <jessicah> I don't sleep without meds now :(
[11:00:50] <PulkoMandy> arfonzo: thanks, merged
[11:01:06] <arfonzo> oh, that was fast :) great
[11:01:18] <PulkoMandy> I'll try to fix some of the recipe problems from last run and run a new one
[11:01:39] <PulkoMandy> I'll have to cut my slave offline in the afternoon to do some stuff under windows
[11:01:42] <arfonzo> jessicah, meh, if only life were simpler, indeed. My mum has similar issues at times.
[11:01:50] <PulkoMandy> (we really need a dropbox client and office suite in Haiku :()
[11:02:12] <arfonzo> I did look at dropbox-cli: not really happening anytime soon.
[11:03:23] <jessicah> I literally can't sleep without my meds
[11:04:08] <jessicah> I've gone like four days without sleep
[11:04:25] <arfonzo> four days--are you serious?! :( You need rest jessicah :(
[11:04:48] <jessicah> sometimes I pass out from sheer exhaustion, but that's not the same as sleep
[11:04:59] <arfonzo> 4 days, geez... I haven't done that since... I was young :) :(
[11:05:02] <jessicah> I meant in the past :p
[11:05:13] <jessicah> I slept last night :)
[11:05:17] <arfonzo> ah, ok. I thought u were on 4 days straight atm... cool.
[11:06:11] <jessicah> get so delirious :p
[11:06:58] <jessicah> okay, really going for hopeful nap now :p
[11:07:12] <arfonzo> PulkoMandy, is there no cross-platform, "lite" dropbox client we could borrow?
[11:07:29] <arfonzo> I took a look a few months ago when I investigated porting dropbox cli, didn't find much at that point.
[11:08:20] <PulkoMandy> arfonzo: they provide a Python API, and we have a WIP recipe for an old version of Orphilia-Dropbox based on it
[11:08:32] <PulkoMandy> last time I tried it randomly deleted or copied files on my dropbox
[11:08:39] <arfonzo> lol, fantastic :|
[11:08:54] <PulkoMandy> I think the best course of action is implementing their REST API in C++ and write a client around that
[11:08:59] <PulkoMandy> possibly an FS add-on
[11:09:56] <PulkoMandy> I don't know what DropBox's API is like, but I almost was hired in some french company doing similar stuff and started to write a similar thing in Qt using their API, it wasn't too hard
[11:10:04] <PulkoMandy> (but too much work for a job interview, still)
[11:10:16] <arfonzo> hm, that sounds like a good mid/long term plan
[11:10:38] <arfonzo> I was thinking more of a quick and dirty temporary functional solution until that time (orphilia sounded good, but not if it randomly craps out)
[11:11:06] <arfonzo> at the moment I'm rsyncing a dir regularly to a linux box ~/Dropbox/blahdir, where I've got dropbox cli syncing.
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[13:43:45] <arfonzo> it seems to indicate that the hyper-v VM is active and building (it's completely powered off right now)
[13:44:20] <arfonzo> (I'd suggest perhaps we remove the arfonzo_vm1, or rename the vbox one to that, for now until H-V NIC is resolved)
[13:44:36] <PulkoMandy> yes, it's still retrying to connect to it :>
[13:44:44] <PulkoMandy> (attempt 87 out of 100)
[13:45:01] <arfonzo> oh, so it's classified as active, once starting up?
[13:45:13] <arfonzo> even if it's never connected to it yet?
[13:45:18] <PulkoMandy> yes
[13:45:25] <arfonzo> hm, interesting. ok. That does explain it, though.
[13:45:38] <PulkoMandy> it's the master contacting the builders to tell them what to do, before it does so it has no idea if a slave is online or not
[13:46:07] <PulkoMandy> it doesn't hurt to keep retrying anyway, the slave may become online after the build is started
[13:46:32] <arfonzo> yeah, I'm just surprised they show as active from initial start up, but that is fine, I suppose.
[13:46:53] <PulkoMandy> well we could show them as "trying to connect" but right now that state doesn't exist
[13:46:58] <PulkoMandy> it's "active" or "lost"
[13:47:09] <PulkoMandy> and they become lost only after the retries have expired
[13:47:12] <arfonzo> indeed, an "unknown" or "trying to connect" would be good.
[13:47:32] <arfonzo> I'll see if that's a fairly easy change, at some point.
[13:47:38] <PulkoMandy> we once again need a python coder :)
[13:47:56] <arfonzo> I'm surprised there are none here
[13:48:22] <PulkoMandy> probably lack of advertising on our side
[13:48:30] <PulkoMandy> haiku looks mostly C++ and low level stuff
[13:48:37] <PulkoMandy> so we get mostly that kind of coders
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[14:24:12] <johnny_b> /me can speak pythonic a bit 8)
[14:28:33] <johnny_b> PulkoMandy: arfonzo: maybe i can help in pythonc
[14:32:03] <arfonzo> johnny_b, oh, that would be great!
[14:32:20] <arfonzo> johnny_b, when you have time, could you take a look at ths python sources for the build master?
[14:33:16] <arfonzo> it'd be nice to add a third state, as we discussed just above.
[14:33:28] <arfonzo> amongst a bunch of other changes, I'll bet PulkoMandy has in his head :)
[14:38:43] <HAIKU-irker082> 34f42c6f3e67: BeDecorator: actually put it inside the package.
[14:38:44] <HAIKU-irker082> b7bc818b0eb5: style fix.
[14:38:45] <HAIKU-irker082> fe8f306c4998: WebPositive: fix search with URL-encoded pattern.
[14:44:47] <johnny_b> arfonzo: okie
[14:50:23] <PulkoMandy> well I'm just using and runnng the tools :>
[14:54:38] <johnny_b> no problemo 8)
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<mmu_man> BearSSL is an implementation of the SSL/TLS protocol (RFC 5246) written in C by Thomas Pornin https://bearssl.org
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[16:53:28] <HAIKU-irker082> ecfaa77a23c1: Terminal: Implement a few cursor CSI commands.
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[18:32:23] <Vidrep> Hi
[18:35:24] <johnny_b> hello
[18:36:14] <Vidrep> Hey
[18:36:37] <Vidrep> humdinger, how familiar are you with Haiku email?
[18:37:45] <Vidrep> Earlier today the people working on the package builder were looking for someone who was good at python
[18:38:29] <Vidrep> Wasn't ValeT (GCI) supposed to be good with that language?
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[19:15:54] <humdinger> Vidrep: I don' t know too much about mailing under Haiku. I did use it under BeOS and many years ago on Haiku...
[19:16:58] <humdinger> Do you guys also experience long phases of freezing in the new Web+?
[19:17:27] <humdinger> I sometimes have to wait for 10+ sec. when opening something in a new tab.
[19:22:09] <Vidrep> Hi humdinger
[19:22:24] <Vidrep> I'm seeing a few bugs in Web+
[19:23:11] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy has been made aware of them. I'll patiently wait for the fix.
[19:23:57] <Vidrep> I'm seeing a few things in Haiku mail that don't seem to me to be quite right. I was hoping to get your feedback.
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[19:37:36] <humdinger> Vidrep: you have to feed me first before I can feeback :)
[19:38:15] <Vidrep> OK. I wasn't sure if you were into it or not
[19:42:32] <Vidrep> In the telus .rdef file, the "Username Pattern" is =1. So, doesn't that mean that when I am setting up my account that the "Login name:: should be vidrep, if the email address is vidrep at telus dot net?
[19:43:29] <humdinger> yes. that's how I understand it as well
[19:43:46] <Vidrep> Instead what I get is just my email address copied again in the username field.
[19:45:18] <humdinger> just recreated that. you're right. that's not correct.
[19:45:53] <Vidrep> The Incoming and Outgoing Server name remains mx.telus.net despite the .rdef file stating that it should be pop.telus.net and smtp.telus.net
[19:45:55] <humdinger> server names are also crap.
[19:46:15] <humdinger> why do you say "remain"?
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[19:46:39] <humdinger> there wasn't an telus redef before, right?
[19:46:42] <humdinger> rdef
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[19:47:36] <DHowett> 30
[19:47:36] <DHowett> er, sorry.
[19:48:37] <humdinger> oh. I think I see my error.
[19:48:41] <Vidrep> Before the Telus .rdef was created, the server names were set as mx.telus.net. It has not changed, even though we have defined them.
[19:48:45] <humdinger> I forgot to change the Jamfile
[19:50:29] <Vidrep> So, you know where the problem is?
[19:51:51] <humdinger> I think so.
[19:52:11] <HAIKU-irker082> b96788c95d3c: Add telus.net providerinfo to Jamfile
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[19:52:28] <humdinger> if it doesn't work now, I dunno either...
[19:52:41] <Vidrep> Das ist wunderbar!
[19:53:22] <humdinger> :)
[19:53:26] <humdinger> try it first...
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[19:54:16] <Vidrep> I'll give it a try as soon as the buildbots do their thing
[19:54:41] <Vidrep> Thanks humdinger
[19:54:48] * humdinger pats the bots
[19:54:51] <humdinger> not at all.
[19:55:33] <miqlas-H> Hi Guys!
[19:55:41] <humdinger> miqlas-H!
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[19:56:09] <Vidrep> Now to try out my newest piece of Haiku hardware - a PCI express USB 3.0 card, freshly delivered this morning courtesy of Amazon.com
[19:56:54] <humdinger> USB3 rhymes with lottery
[19:57:32] <miqlas-H> humi, (let me use this abkürzung, i had a looooong day) i just updated the Transmission GUI to the latest version. It needs more love as i can give, maybe you can look into that.
[19:57:33] <miqlas-H> humdinger: and with hefeweizen, alkoholismus, untergand, kerbs and todheit.
[19:57:48] <miqlas-H> *krebs
[19:58:13] <miqlas-H> then it is like gf
[19:58:29] <humdinger> miqlas-H: you know that you can auto-complete nicks with tab?
[19:58:53] <miqlas-H> ofc
[19:59:07] <Vidrep> Neat trick, thanks again
[19:59:16] <miqlas-H> It requires the normal transmission cli patchset in HP.
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[20:08:28] <johnny_b> miqlas-H: think positive 8p
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[20:17:06] <miqlas-H> baszd meg.
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[20:45:29] <SMCollins> how goes beigerstat ?
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[20:48:20] <Vidrep> Sean, how is your wife???
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[21:04:18] <Vidrep> SMCollins, we're all concerned about what happened to you wife. How is she?
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[21:10:04] <SMCollins> she is doing better, she had a mild to severe case of hypoxia, so far the damage seems mostly trivial, but she had a serious bout of sepsis in her kidney, which cause her potasium to pike, causing a heart attack and then she was intubated
[21:10:43] <SMCollins> she is home, but requires supervision while we establish the total extent of her brain injury, several of her personality traits are dormant or non exsistnat but she i still here
[21:11:05] <SMCollins> and she is on dialisys which complicates matters with brain function and electrolyte balance
[21:14:21] <SMCollins> also he had a transplant kidney pancrease 8 yrs ago, and as of right now the kidney and the pancrease are not functional and controlling her blood sugar is trying on the best of days.
[21:14:33] <SMCollins> he=she, fucking keyboard has a broken S key
[21:14:57] <SMCollins> I was curious how Begierstat was going see allot of commit activity !
[21:16:04] <SMCollins> Tell pulkomandy to reach out to me this weekend, I have time to setup up my 8 core amd machine as a builder running haiku natively or hosted VM's under windows
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[21:22:27] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy is around somewhere
[21:22:27] <Vidrep> He keeps tabs on the IRC goings on
[21:22:28] <Vidrep> I wonder if there is a problem with the buildbots. Last available build is hrev50657
[21:23:34] <SMCollins> whats the best way to provision this machine ?
[21:24:18] <SMCollins> I have a dual core machine I can setup any which way that would be best, the 8 core does see some use for homework and such
[21:31:57] <Vidrep> Your best best might be to post a follow up in the Haiku In. mailing list
[21:32:02] <Vidrep> Inc.
[21:32:57] <SMCollins> Will do later this weekend
[21:37:56] <PulkoMandy> SMCollins: hi!
[21:38:04] <SMCollins> hi andrien
[21:38:13] <SMCollins> Adrien
[21:38:35] <PulkoMandy> if you want to set up a buildslave, you need a recent haiku nightly installed and ssh access configured
[21:38:38] <PulkoMandy> I take it from there
[21:43:13] <SMCollins> Ok, I can do that, when do you have time ?
[21:43:26] <SMCollins> I can do saturday 9pm EST usa
[21:47:28] <PulkoMandy> that's like 2AM for me, but if you get it running that's fine, just mail me the password to log in to it
[21:50:01] <SMCollins> ok, I can do that to
[21:50:11] <SMCollins> email me, I don;t know if I still have your mail
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[23:12:12] <AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy does the recent cookie patch made it to the latest webkit, i seem to have lot of trouble now.
[23:12:27] <PulkoMandy> yes
[23:12:43] <PulkoMandy> cookies are not on the webkit side actually, they are in haiku network kit
[23:12:54] <PulkoMandy> if you have problems, please open a ticket and list the websites
[23:13:53] <AlienSoldier> ok. Opening a ticket will not help much, i can't give you the link, it is behind a password
[23:14:38] <AlienSoldier> of all the sites i use, the one i need to work is the one with a problem :( typical
[23:16:11] <PulkoMandy> you can build libbnetapi.so in debug mode and with cookie jar tracing enabled
[23:16:33] <PulkoMandy> then it prints lots of debug info to terminal and we can see if cookies are properly parsed
[23:17:16] <PulkoMandy> also you can still give me a link, even without password, some cookies will be set and with a little luck they all use the same format
[23:17:35] <PulkoMandy> (for the expiration date mainly, that seems to be the tricky part)
[23:18:12] <AlienSoldier> the site was always borked one way or another, but everything seemed fine after the cookie update
[23:18:31] <AlienSoldier> i am starting to wonder if it was not a luck and the problem being timming based
[23:19:08] <PulkoMandy> possibly, if they try to use timezones, strange things could happen
[23:19:21] <PulkoMandy> (it's not allowed by the cookie spec, but I expect everything now)
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