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[00:09:05] <vidrep> I've had enough "fun" for one day. I'll leave git to the experts
[00:14:02] <mmu_man> I've messed up git repos for 3y before getting it correctly :p
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[04:00:48] <HAIKU-irker315> 62d85da436cc: Mandelbrot: Add zoom out, correct initial render.
[04:00:49] <HAIKU-irker315> 7250c45eb55c: Move the FractalEngine to its own thread.
[04:00:50] <HAIKU-irker315> 2ea2162c889e: Mandelbrot: Set the pixels in the Render functions.
[04:00:51] <HAIKU-irker315> b0b1811fb165: Mandelbrot: Fix resizing.
[04:00:52] <HAIKU-irker315> ffb8b9c1968f: Mandelbrot: Implement palette switching.
[04:00:53] <HAIKU-irker315> 45477f7a0f75: Mandelbrot: Implement changing sets.
[04:01:37] <waddlesplash> if anyone cares to, some code review of that might be nice, although the FractalEngine needs more cleaning up still (some stray globals...)
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[12:26:06] <PulkoMandy> activity report is online!
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[12:42:59] <tojoko> PulkoMandy: cool
[12:46:35] <tojoko> PulkoMandy, can u give me any news on why my a) my lenovo computers wifi isn't supported although it is supposed to be and b) why my nokia netbook doesn't work with the latest nightlys but does with the earlier once, even wifi, but not anymore and c) why it's so tricky for me to generate an haiku usb bootstick? Can in depend on the stick (manufactur) and d) why it is so tricky for yumi to support
[12:46:35] <tojoko> haiku and e) if there is any website where u could ask for future development?
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[13:04:12] <apl> Hello; is it possible for somebody to give me a hand building the unit tests? I am trying to add a unit test and have tried "jam -q UnitTest".
[13:05:52] <jessicah> that's an old guide
[13:06:15] <jessicah> package management changed boot process a little
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[13:22:20] <tojoko> jessicah, well, i was afraid u say that. du to the nightly builds and the change of usefull / useless builds i still think it be a great thing to try several builds on a tricky machine. and i had hoped, that any functional iso to boot from would be a functional network boot image.
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[13:40:02] <tojoko> jessicah, sorry but one more question, is it a problem if i mirror all the nightlys due to bandwidth costs for u?
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[13:47:46] <jessicah> I don't know anything about that
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[13:51:44] <tojoko> ok, thanks. - hello 'n' welcome HaikuUser.
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[14:22:55] <PulkoMandy> apl: I think it's jam -q UnitTests (with an extra s at the end)
[14:23:20] <PulkoMandy> tojoko: network booting used to work but unfortunately is currently broken
[14:23:44] <PulkoMandy> I have some WIP patches, I'll get back to that once I've got intel_extreme to play along with my videocard again
[14:24:46] <PulkoMandy> tojoko: for your other problems, a) may be a firmware problem or something else, hard to know without more details
[14:25:03] <PulkoMandy> b) would be nice to know the last working/first broken nightly to identify (and then fix) the problem
[14:25:42] <PulkoMandy> c) should be easy using dd, I didn't ran into problems with that, unless using very cheap stuff with broken flash chips or so
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[14:25:52] <PulkoMandy> d) I don't know what yumi is
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[14:43:24] <apl> PulkoMandy; Thanks – that seems to be building correctly and I'm able to run it on the target host.
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[15:09:35] <Anarchos> i am back on internet \o/
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[15:12:00] <Anarchos> how to conhow to configure the ssh keys for github ? I want to "git push" from Terminal...
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[15:24:57] <Anarchos> hello everybody
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[15:43:28] <Paradoxon> hi
[15:44:23] <Anarchos> hi Paradoxon
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[15:48:34] <ACGuy> Hello
[15:48:48] <Paradoxon> hi
[15:50:22] <Paradoxon> where there any change to acpi lately my fan is going crazy under haiku again
[15:50:25] <Paradoxon> :-(
[15:56:46] <tojoko> a) well, don't know how to tell u more about my lenovo, since it doesn't even seem to try to initialize wifi. so bootlog doesn't tell much, since it is up and runnin' - just without wifi. at home that ain't a probleme, since it got a rtl-chip network as well.
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[15:58:09] <tojoko> well, it works with image writer very well for linux-boot-sticks. just beos is tricky.
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[15:59:49] <tojoko> d). yumi is a real cool programm for linux and windows which lets u create a multiple boot stick from various isos. problem is, it seems to unpack them and can't handle the haiku file system. besides that, it's really cool. and i tried to boot haiku with grub and syslinux in various ways but none of them worked.
[16:00:59] <tojoko> PulkoMandy, if any further syslogs are required, let me know.
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[17:28:27] <bifo78> i'm having some trouble with the nightly build install i set up a few days ago, first off is sshd broken? there arent any docs about where the password should be but i've looked at the cfg and no matter how many times i try to change the password it doesnt change anything. works fine via telnetd.
[17:29:32] <bifo78> second, yab doesnt seem to want to install? yab-IDE as well. i'd guess that's a problem with the package itself except i've tried a few different versions of yab
[17:33:01] <tojoko> sorry, i can't tell - but with the ssh, u kan try a search. "Start Menue" -> Find or search. -> ssh or so
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[17:39:23] <bifo78> well i already know where the files that i need to edit are, but there isnt any documentation. actually just an example of a working ssh file would work, i dont know where the password should go in the user settings line and the passwd command doesnt have any affect on sshd cfg
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[17:45:07] <Paradoxon> bifo78 maybe its because of the lack of multiuser
[17:46:14] <bifo78> no i'm sure it worked the last time i had haiku on the same machine a few years ago
[17:46:42] <Paradoxon> did you followed
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[17:51:34] <bifo78> yep, exactly what i followed
[17:51:54] <bifo78> connecting over a private network, and like i said telnetd works fine, vncserver works fine
[17:52:07] <bifo78> using vnc and Vision right now
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[18:10:15] <Paradoxon> hmm sorry.. i never tried this myself
[18:10:22] <Paradoxon> so i cant help there further
[18:10:36] <Paradoxon> did you used the standard user baron?
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[18:16:36] <bifo78> user baron? its the standard user setup, i followed the netservices guide and it works on telnetd, should work fine on sshd as well
[18:17:06] <IIsi50MHz> ‹baron› is default user
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[18:19:47] <IIsi50MHz> tojoko: Did you find the most recent hrev that works for your Nokia netbook, and which one after that fails?
[18:20:07] <Paradoxon> but if i type in whoami it will return user? got it changed??
[18:20:43] * IIsi50MHz boots
[18:20:49] <dorje> has anyone been able to boot the nightlies off a USB drive?
[18:21:12] <Paradoxon> dorje thats how i install always my haiku os :)
[18:21:23] <bifo78> baron doesn't show up in sshd.cfg and attempting to login via ssh with baron and the password that works on telnet doesnt work
[18:21:45] <bifo78> user works on telnet
[18:21:49] <dorje> it used to work, but now it boots into the Boot Manager CLI application, and it says no boot volume
[18:21:57] <bifo78> nothing in any of the docs mentions 'baron'
[18:22:12] <dorje> baron is the user from BeoS
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[18:22:38] <IIsi50MHz> Ah, I'm misinformed. >.<
[18:23:30] <bifo78> i think ive got yab working, but maybe my issue with yab-ide is that i dont know the command and its not showing up in the menu?
[18:23:49] <bifo78> whats the term command to launch yab-ide
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[18:24:24] <IIsi50MHz> Re: no boot volume. I've had this problem when updating Haiku sometimes. Solution is usually clean install (erase then dd image)
[18:24:38] <humdinger> bifo78: I suspect "yab-ide"... when in doubt, use a query (or the "Find..." from Deskbar).
[18:24:51] <dorje> llsi50MHz: I have to burn a CD
[18:25:03] <dorje> but that boots
[18:25:12] <PulkoMandy> tojoko: for yumi or loading Haiku from GRUB, it can be "chainloaded", so basically the same as booting Windows
[18:25:14] <Paradoxon> did you take a look there
[18:25:30] <bifo78> yab-ide and all variations in capitalization ive tried havent worked, lets fire it through find
[18:26:05] <PulkoMandy> I think most multi-boot sstems from Linux world involve extracting the kernel from the ISO and booting it directly, which will be difficult to do with the way Haiku is packaged (the kernel is inside an hpkg file, the bootloader extracts it)
[18:26:27] <Paradoxon> PulkoMandy nice report
[18:26:46] <PulkoMandy> sorry for the extra long delay, I was away from the Internets for some time
[18:26:55] <Paradoxon> :)
[18:26:58] <IIsi50MHz> Dorje: I have one machine that can't boot USB; I put Plop Boot Manager on the HD, the use Plop's menu to boot USB. Don't know if this helps you.
[18:27:13] <Paradoxon> PulkoMandy did someone changed code wich could affekt the fan again?
[18:27:23] <Paradoxon> my fan is going crazy again under haiku
[18:27:25] <Paradoxon> :-/
[18:27:41] <humdinger> bifo78: oh, I seem to have yab installed... it's /boot/system/apps/yab-IDE/yab-IDE
[18:27:52] <PulkoMandy> ACPI gets updates now and then. But a bisect to find the revision which re-introduces the problem would be nice
[18:27:55] <dorje> well i used to be able to boot from USB, like from 50216 era, which was a stable system. then i tried 50335 today and it gave me "no boot volume"
[18:28:09] * humdinger recommends QuickLaunch for these occasions :)
[18:28:10] <dorje> so I burned a CD and t hat worked
[18:28:54] <dorje> but I even tried 50216, downloaded that anyboot again, and it would not boot from USB
[18:29:08] <Paradoxon> PulkoMandy sadly i dont create a log when i do my updates :-D
[18:29:18] <IIsi50MHz> Plop Boot Manager also works when the BIOS can't open larger USB volumes ^_^
[18:29:30] <bifo78> ok that may explain it humdinger, i don't think it's installing correctly from haikudepot
[18:29:52] <dorje> I don't need a boot manager though ...I can select which drive I want to boot from from the BIOS
[18:30:05] <IIsi50MHz> This is not the same thing.
[18:30:08] <dorje> oh
[18:31:02] <humdinger> bifo78: just uninstalled and reinstalled it, and it seems to work with no problems.
[18:31:24] <IIsi50MHz> Plop can load OS from USB when BIOS does not have this feature or when the USB is too big for the BIOS to understand.
[18:31:36] <dorje> oh ok
[18:31:56] <bifo78> paradoxon: interesting link, but i'm not sure that's the problem i'm having, because i ran the ssh-keymake or w/e it is utility and it worked fine
[18:33:10] <bifo78> i wonder if someone hasn't locked out ssh access due to that bug
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[18:50:36] <humdinger> I'll be releasing a bugfix release of Clipdinger soon. Anyone who wants to contribute a localization?
[18:50:38] <humdinger> For the other apps listed there, too, of course... :)
[18:51:05] <tojoko> IIsi50MHz: i think 48752 worked perfectly while 48926 didn't work anymore. to get it more specific i would a) need the old nightlys and b) netboot for haiku.
[18:52:46] <IIsi50MHz> Ah. I keep old nightly images on another computer, so I can write to USB again if needed. And of course, PlopBM installed.
[18:53:28] <tojoko> plopbm doesn't help me, since it doesn't let me boot the isos from hd like it's supposed to.
[18:54:51] <IIsi50MHz> Hmm. I only used it for USB support problems. /-:
[18:56:39] <IIsi50MHz> I install Plop on the HD of a machine, then write the AnyBoot image to USB, then boot the machine into Plop. From there, I can select the USB even though the Vaio BIOS ignores USB.
[19:00:07] <bifo78> thanks tojoko, but i'm not using the rsa key as authorization for ssh. not sure how to set that up on haiku ssh implementation, i'm just trying to use a password for the user account. like i said, its fine on telnet, sshd doesnt seem to recognize passwd changes (as in using the terminal commnand)
[19:01:55] <bifo78> not as big a problem since i discovered telnet works. actually a better question since nobody seems to have an answer on that one is: how do i make it so vncserver never has a session timeout? minor but more convenient to just have the window open all the time
[19:04:39] <PulkoMandy> bifo78: one trick is that the default user is a root user, by default ssh will not allow password auth for root
[19:04:57] <PulkoMandy> so you can enable that in sshd settings, or create another non-root user to use with ssh
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[19:19:49] <tojoko> IIsi50MHz: Problem for me with plop is on my old machine is, that the usb doesn't get power until the os (any) is bootet. But that one still has an dockin' station with floppy and cd. The others boot from usb, just sometimes have problems like recocnizin' the active partition it seems to me.
[19:20:12] <tojoko> PulkoMandy, u should give yumi and plop a try, as they seem pretty promisin' tools.
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[19:21:06] <tojoko> IIsi50MHz, i don't understand why they don't offer all nightlys or at least provide torrents to the actual once.
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[19:25:14] <IIsi50MHz> Good to know. I thought the Vaio B100B I've been using for Haiku was old. (-;
[19:27:18] <tojoko> i ve got an abit bp6 - but not usin' it right now. And and compaq evo n400 with pIII at 850 mhz runnin' haiku :) that's one thats most stable.
[19:27:39] <tojoko> but if u can get u hands on a nokia booklet 3g, that would be my recommandation for haiku os.
[19:31:05] <mmu_man> oh, I still have a BP6 :)
[19:31:13] <mmu_man> noisy box
[19:31:20] <PulkoMandy> tojoko: I don't need this many tools to get Haiku booting here
[19:33:17] <IIsi50MHz> PulkoMandy: I need just Plop for the Vaio B100B and an desktop whose BIOS can't understand USB > 4 GB.
[19:33:36] <IIsi50MHz> an old* deskop
[19:39:33] <PulkoMandy> yes, I know about Plop for situations where everything else fails :)
[19:41:16] * IIsi50MHz considers trying to upgrade from hrev49180
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[19:47:16] <tojoko> PulkoMandy, well, i think it was plop which offers u too boot iso images directly from your hard drive, but openly commits thats a trick thing and mostly doesn't work. i would be curious to know if there is a way for haiku. i didn't manage. - the same with yumi.
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<tojoko> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/ -> Supported Distros. Which one would u try as an startup option to work for haiku most likely? i tried grub from ram, grub with 4th partition an syslinux, none of them did do any good, unfortunatley. so haiku is still missin' in my descent bootstick.
[19:49:21] <tojoko> well, maybe choosin' hirens boot cd could do the trick for haiku.
[19:55:59] <mmu_man> I don't think those will work with Haiku, if they extract the ISO content
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[19:59:33] <tojoko> right, the question is, if they do it for all. they don't do it, if you choose grub from ram (which isn't listed there, but is available in the last release) - however, haiku starts! - but doesn't find any boot partition.
[20:01:01] <mmu_man> I think most pass some info to the linux kernel to fake disks, that we obviously don't parse
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[20:05:39] <PulkoMandy> tojoko: the rule is simple: if it can boot Windows, it can also boot Haiku
[20:05:53] <PulkoMandy> if it needs Linux specific tricks, no way for it to work with Haiku, because Haiku is not Linux
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[20:23:14] <FlyingJester> I've always had pretty decent luck just dd'ing ISOs onto USB drives. Although that is certainly not guaranteed to work.
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[20:34:41] <tojoko> PulkoMandy, thanks a lot, that was a clear statement to me.
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[20:35:33] <tojoko> FlyingJester, well, dd ist not standard on windows nor is it idiot proofed. that means i avoid it if i can.
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[20:37:10] <tojoko> mmu_man, well, it creates a ram disk and i actually don't understand where exactly that goes wrong. the haiku iso get's loaded into a ramdisk, started, u see the icons, but it doesn't find the bootdisk. although i'd guess the ramdisk just contains an partition table as a normal hd. ...
[20:38:32] <tojoko> PulkoMandy, only problem is, if u say haiku is windows, it gets unzipped iirc ... & that road leads to nowhere.
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[20:43:42] <mmu_man> that's cause it passes the ramdisk address through GRUB as *linux* kernel args
[20:43:50] <mmu_man> and we don't know about that
[20:43:54] <mmu_man> I think
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[21:07:02] <miqlas-H> Hi Guys!
[21:07:45] <miqlas-H> Is there any way to update the config.guess and sub file automatically, not with replacing from a working source tree? How do you guys handling this problem?
[21:07:58] <IIsi50MHz> Salut
[21:08:43] <IIsi50MHz> I don't know what those are. I only occasionally touch code for Haiku. (^_^)
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[22:28:01] <kolton> re
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[22:38:08] <miqlas-H> re
[22:44:01] <kolton> wb miqlas-H
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[22:44:46] <miqlas-H> tojoko, helo
[22:45:18] <tojoko> mmu_man: thanks for the explanation, that's an option i hadn't thought of. My idea was more off an lp where u just need to find the beginnin' and if that worked, every thing else should work either.
[22:45:24] <miqlas-H> i'm just sitting in a local pub, drinking beer, how doing for you?
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[22:46:07] <mmu_man> you can probably send a patch :)
[22:46:21] <mmu_man> I actually started long ago implementing the IMAGE.BE scheme BeOS used
[22:46:23] <mmu_man> but never finished
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[23:26:40] * IIsi50MHz ponders the best way to determine which recent nightly to download
[23:26:44] <tojoko> mmu_man: What a pitty! I'd loved to help. I loved that u could simply boot it from any fat32 partition.
[23:27:11] <tojoko> miqlas-H: What kind a beer?
[23:28:07] <tojoko> mmu_man, u think it would be possible to mount image.be in a virtual haiku machine and just install haiku on it - with all benefits?
[23:28:27] <IIsi50MHz> If our connection weren't so slow recently, I'd just do a linear search: get newest, write, test, get next...
[23:29:21] <tojoko> IIsi50MHz, what u mean?
[23:30:18] <IIsi50MHz> Trying no to waste time downloading builds with known regressions that would affect me (:
[23:32:33] <tojoko> IIsi50MHz, i could download them for u and send u an hard drive ...
[23:32:57] <tojoko> so, one question is left open - who knows why there aren't any torrents for haiku?
[23:34:45] <mmu_man> there used to be, on TPB
[23:34:52] <mmu_man> but stupid people closed it down :p
[23:34:57] <mmu_man> although they weren't official
[23:35:14] <mmu_man> lol thx AlienSoldier
[23:36:17] <tojoko> well, i think it doesn't make any sence if they aren't official. you just don't get any critical mass. And i don't like it either if you are supposed to download somethin' via bit torrent, but i think u should offer that option. however, as long as they don't, i will download all the images from their server.
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[23:41:07] <tojoko> servus Lelldorin1
[23:43:06] <mmu_man> beta1 would also be available this way
[23:43:12] <Lelldorin1> hello tojoko
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<Not-b880> [haikuports] fbrosson opened pull request #617: lipng: bump to 1.5.27 & 1.6.22, add TEST(). - https://git.io/vrHYT