May 25, 2016 
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May 25, 2016 [00:00:22] <mmu_man> not so much[00:00:25] <mmu_man> patches welcome :)[00:04:21] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[00:04:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[00:05:23] <zacts> mmu_man: does Haiku at least allow for multiple users on a single machine?[00:05:29] <zacts> :-)[00:06:45] <jessicah> not really, no[00:06:58] <zacts> heh, ok cool[00:07:00] <jessicah> you can add other user accounts for things like sshd I think[00:07:06] <jessicah> but as desktop users, no[00:07:07] <zacts> I'm still really interested in this OS[00:07:16] <zacts> jessicah: could this be a potential future feature?[00:07:23] <zacts> to allow for multiple desktop users?[00:07:36] <jessicah> there are devs interested in that, yeah[00:07:41] <zacts> cool[00:07:42] <jessicah> and others (like me), that don't :p[00:07:49] <zacts> why don't you want this?[00:07:51] <tojoko> me to![00:08:07] <tojoko> zacts, how many user accounts does your smartphone have?[00:08:15] <zacts> tojoko: one[00:08:19] <zacts> but my tablet has three[00:09:11] <tojoko> uih, well, let's forget about the tablet. ;)[00:09:13] *** vidrep has quit IRC[00:09:20] <zacts> but it might be nice to have a PC running Haiku in my home for the kids / mum / wife kind of scenario, all running separate accounts[00:09:35] <opeth> Not in the ticket description. But I can give you an alternative route to install the ipw2100 firmware files. In Terminal: open /boot/system/data/firmware/ipw2100/ipw2100-fw-1.3.tgz This will launch Expander. Just expand the file and reboot.[00:09:53] <opeth> permision denidet[00:09:55] <zacts> Anyway my primary interest with an OS like Haiku, would be making computing accessible to more people[00:10:01] <tojoko> opeth, can u help me with ipw2230 too? :)[00:10:12] <zacts> and perhaps eventually allowing more people to customize their desktop experience, with minimal effort[00:10:26] <opeth> extrackt in boot and reboot ?[00:10:29] <zacts> and to have a consistent seamless desktop experience[00:10:38] <tojoko> zacts, nope, the main advantage is that u can use your computer five to ten years longer than now.[00:10:55] <zacts> tojoko: I don't follow[00:11:11] <jessicah> zacts: I just don't see the need[00:11:22] <mmu_man> zacts: there's some multiuser in the works but probably not for R1, most GUI apps assume they run as root[00:11:34] <jessicah> I'd rather see multiple installs; and perhaps a shared packages folder[00:11:44] <jessicah> and then you can have whole disk encryption for each person[00:11:45] <tojoko> mmu_man, but a personal user name would be great![00:11:48] <zacts> jessicah: ah I see cool[00:12:12] <zacts> Perhaps I just need to try out Haiku, and live with it for a while to understand more of the Philosophy of it[00:12:22] <jessicah> a haiku install is like 200-300MB, pretty teensy[00:12:29] <opeth> tojoko i hav the same problem with ip pro 2100[00:12:49] <tojoko> opeth, what kind of problem?[00:12:51] <jessicah> and with disk storage sizes continuing to go up and up, having multiple installs would be easy to do[00:13:10] <jessicah> I dunno; I have weird ideas :p[00:13:20] <tojoko> zacts, sorry, but for what do u need haiku? Is it worth the effort?[00:13:42] <zacts> tojoko: well, for one thing I'm looking for an easy to use desktop for my mum[00:13:57] <zacts> another thing is I'm interested in alternative OS because I'm a nerd[00:13:59] <tojoko> zacts, take mint or lubuntu.[00:14:09] <tojoko> well, than install haiku in an vm[00:14:29] <zacts> and another thing is that I like the idea of tinkering with an OS that people can extend using a scripting language[00:14:37] <tojoko> jessicah, your ideas seem kind a outdated to me.[00:14:38] <zacts> tojoko: I'm starting with VM on my laptop now[00:14:47] <zacts> but I have a spare x86 box laying around not doing anything[00:14:55] <zacts> and it has supported network drivers afaik[00:15:05] <jessicah> tojoko: to each their own :)[00:15:16] <tojoko> zacts, forget about cool. Either you're willing to code or your at the wrong place. ^^ sorry, just my2cents.[00:15:29] <mmu_man> tojoko: oh, actually testdisk does run and find some disks (but not the larger one though)[00:15:30] <zacts> tojoko: I'm willing to code[00:15:34] <mmu_man> I'll have to fix that[00:15:44] <zacts> I'm learning Ruby right now, but C++ is on my list soon[00:15:49] <tojoko> jessicah, wouldn't it be far easier to boot multiple installations via netboot and safe the date on a network drive?[00:15:54] <zacts> (I know C++ is totally different from Ruby)[00:16:01] <zacts> but it's still next on my list[00:16:01] <jessicah> I'm pretty sure OSX uses separate disk images when you turn on encrypted home folders[00:16:50] <jessicah> tojoko: sure, but that would probably suit different use cases[00:17:27] <tojoko> well, but i like that idea. it's not that simple i read but it should be possible to start haiku via netboot.[00:17:36] <tojoko> mmu_man: is ist available?[00:17:44] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[00:17:53] <jessicah> netboot support isn't working yet[00:17:56] <tojoko> opeth: you wonna tell me more?[00:18:23] <jessicah> think it used to work at some point, but didn't get tested, and system changed... so things break :p[00:18:26] <tojoko> jessicah, well, my notebook does - don't know why it shouldn't boot a haiku image.[00:18:56] <mmu_man> tojoko: maybe some preliminary patch in haikuports, not sure[00:19:19] <mmu_man> app-admin/testdisk/testdisk-7.0_git.recipe[00:19:24] <mmu_man> no, jusr recipe[00:20:35] <jessicah> tojoko: I think PulkoMandy was looking at getting the netbooting back up and running[00:20:53] <jessicah> tojoko: it's also something I'm interested in looking at, at some point[00:21:39] <tojoko> jessicah, well, it would be very interesting with the nightlys.[00:22:01] *** DKnoto has joined #haiku[00:24:14] <Ptrus> I need to check if it is my computer or web+ , jessicah, can you load http://fatelk.com or http://yab.orgfree.com in web+?[00:25:13] <HAIKU-irker315> haiku.master: barrett * hrev50332 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=164ff9971e3b+%5Eec8626dea0eb[00:25:14] <HAIKU-irker315> 164ff9971e3b: Add live555 source packages[00:25:59] <opeth> can not extrakt in firmware folder - permission denied[00:27:13] *** nighty has quit IRC[00:27:22] <jessicah> I don't have haiku running atm[00:29:13] <tojoko> Ptrus i don't get a side displayed nor an error message for fatelk.com[00:29:15] <jessicah> Ptrus: works in other browsers on Windows[00:30:33] <tojoko> Ptrus, fatelk.com works like charm - just takes half an hour to render. but html sometimes is tricky. ^^[00:31:03] <tojoko> the other one loads in the vm perfectly as well.[00:36:35] <Ptrus> thanks[00:37:26] <opeth> is ther a superuser in haiku ? -- Permissiun denied[00:42:03] *** opeth has quit IRC[00:44:06] *** Nothing_Much has joined #haiku[00:44:29] *** stippi has joined #haiku[00:44:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[00:48:41] *** stippi has quit IRC[00:51:43] <tojoko> mmu_man, i don't realy know if intel wifi 2230 ain't supported or just broke lately like atheros wifi.[00:52:53] <Not-b880> [haikuporter] Barrett17 opened pull request #89: Fix typo in Configuration.py - https://git.io/vr6GG[00:54:14] <Not-b880> [haikuporter] jessicah closed pull request #89: Fix typo in Configuration.py - https://git.io/vr6GG[00:54:16] <Not-b880> [haikuporter] jessicah pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/vr6Gz[00:54:18] <Not-b880> [haikuporter] Barrett17 0de0bda - Fix typo in Configuration.py[00:54:19] <Not-b880> [haikuporter] jessicah b4f3d8e - Merge pull request #89 from Barrett17/master[00:55:41] *** eschatologist has quit IRC[00:59:40] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2652 of haiku-repository-x86_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed upload repository] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_hybrid/builds/2652 blamelist: Dario Casalinuovo <b.vitruvio at gmail dot com>[01:02:04] <tojoko> jessicah? i thought merge requests on github would be ignored?[01:03:07] <Barrett> tojoko, this is haikuports not the haiku tree[01:04:03] <tojoko> year, thanks, i see.[01:04:45] <tojoko> Barrett, but you have contributed to haiku?[01:06:55] <tojoko> so, good night.[01:07:02] <Barrett> tojoko, when haikuports switched to github no one readded me the permissions[01:07:15] <Barrett> will be fixed before or after[01:08:17] <tojoko> why switched? from where? git.haiku.org?[01:08:58] <Barrett> tojoko, no I've been talking of haikuports[01:09:12] *** vidrep has joined #haiku[01:09:13] <Barrett> haiku run it's own git server and I'm a developer yes[01:09:27] <Barrett> I think this was the question :-)[01:09:46] <tojoko> ok, but u r not familiar with driver programming, are u?[01:09:54] <vidrep> bbjimmy, I'm running Haiku and Web+ - your websites are all loading properly and quickly[01:10:54] <vidrep> brb[01:10:57] *** vidrep has quit IRC[01:11:39] <Barrett> I'm not much of a driver developer, while I think I could learn[01:12:01] <Barrett> it's just that I preferred to develop my skills on other things until now[01:12:10] <tojoko> oh, ok thanks.[01:13:05] *** vidrep has joined #haiku[01:13:13] <tojoko> so, good night.[01:13:18] <Barrett> bye tojoko[01:17:27] *** tojoko has quit IRC[01:19:40] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2653 of haiku-repository-x86_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_hybrid/builds/2653[01:32:54] *** eschatologist has joined #haiku[01:36:38] *** rennj has joined #haiku[01:38:20] *** vidrep has quit IRC[01:41:51] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:45:48] *** rennj has quit IRC[01:47:34] *** return0e has joined #haiku[01:48:28] *** vidrep has joined #haiku[01:52:49] *** nighty has joined #haiku[01:52:56] *** rennj has joined #haiku[01:54:05] *** DCatt has joined #haiku[01:56:20] <vidrep> Has anybody had any luck piring a bluetooth device to Haiku?[01:56:26] <vidrep> pairing[01:58:29] <Barrett> no idea[01:59:09] *** nighty has quit IRC[01:59:41] <vidrep> Hi Barrett[02:00:19] *** nighty has joined #haiku[02:02:44] *** nighty has quit IRC[02:04:05] *** Nach0z has quit IRC[02:04:15] *** nighty has joined #haiku[02:06:01] *** Nach0z has joined #haiku[02:06:11] <Barrett> hi vidrep[02:09:07] <vidrep> i see you added live555[02:09:35] <vidrep> What's next on your agenda?[02:13:32] *** Barrett has quit IRC[02:16:25] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[02:21:39] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #707 of haiku-nightlies-x86_64 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-nightlies-x86_64/builds/707[02:27:33] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[02:27:33] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[02:27:46] *** Megaf has quit IRC[02:30:58] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[02:31:21] *** Sir_Designer has quit IRC[02:39:20] *** Sir_Designer has joined #haiku[02:42:45] *** vidrep has quit IRC[02:46:32] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #717 of haiku-nightlies-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-nightlies-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/717[02:59:56] *** Negr0 has quit IRC[03:03:33] *** mixomathoze has quit IRC[03:10:39] *** mixomathoze has joined #haiku[03:12:04] *** Barrett has quit IRC[03:12:33] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[03:25:14] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[03:47:03] *** Megaf has quit IRC[04:30:15] *** DCatt has quit IRC[04:34:47] *** auwooo-0x71 has joined #haiku[04:34:50] <auwooo-0x71> WELCOME TO SOUTHFRONT FEDORA OPERATING SYSTEM ##su.os : OFFICIAL WEBSITE : http://dl.fedoraproject.org ... . , FOR OVERCLOCKING OUR CHANNEL IS ##BEYONDTIME , ##SU.OS , ##SECURIFY , ##UN.ORG , ##SOUTHFRONT ... .[04:34:53] *** auwooo-0x71 has left #haiku[04:43:44] *** siel has quit IRC[04:45:30] *** siel has joined #haiku[04:46:04] *** stippi has joined #haiku[04:46:04] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[04:50:28] *** stippi has quit IRC[04:51:03] *** cc^mint has quit IRC[05:02:09] <Not-b880> [haikuports] fbrosson edited pull request #608: pciutils: add recipe for 3.5.1, enable shared, split data. - 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exiftool: drop 10.15, add 10.17.[12:58:37] *** arroyoc has joined #haiku[12:58:58] *** leszek has joined #haiku[13:01:47] *** arroyoc has quit IRC[13:07:08] *** rennj has quit IRC[13:08:10] *** rennj has joined #haiku[13:16:39] *** Sri_Designer has joined #haiku[13:16:41] *** Sir_Designer has quit IRC[13:23:07] *** GeneralDuke has quit IRC[13:34:03] *** GeneralDuke has joined #haiku[13:34:21] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[13:44:33] *** Akuji has quit IRC[13:47:01] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[13:53:48] *** rennj has quit IRC[13:55:02] *** opeth has joined #haiku[13:55:50] *** rennj has joined #haiku[13:56:15] <opeth> hello ,, and god day ! wat can i do wen pkgman update hangs at 58 % ?[14:08:38] *** opeth has quit IRC[14:11:58] *** GeneralDuke has quit IRC[14:17:20] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[14:17:28] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[14:27:34] *** GeneralDuke has joined #haiku[14:30:38] *** ACGuy has joined #haiku[14:30:58] *** ACGuy has quit IRC[14:41:46] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[14:41:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[14:49:38] *** tojoko has joined #haiku[14:52:24] *** Akuji has quit IRC[14:52:57] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[15:02:48] *** ii-v has joined #haiku[15:08:53] *** ii-v has quit IRC[15:12:41] *** happy-dude has joined #haiku[15:12:54] *** Barrett has quit IRC[15:27:07] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[15:27:56] *** ii-v has joined #haiku[15:40:05] *** tojoko has quit IRC[15:44:42] <Not-b880> [haikuports] fbrosson synchronize pull request #608: pciutils: add recipe for 3.5.1, enable shared, split data. - https://git.io/vrahZ[15:48:03] <Not-b880> [haikuports] fbrosson synchronize pull request #608: pciutils: add recipe for 3.5.1, enable shared, split data. - https://git.io/vrahZ[15:50:12] <Not-b880> [haikuports] fbrosson edited pull request #608: pciutils: add recipe for 3.5.1, enable shared, split data. - https://git.io/vrahZ[15:51:08] *** cc^mint has joined #haiku[15:52:31] *** tojoko has joined #haiku[15:53:13] *** cc^mint has quit IRC[16:03:12] *** tojoko has quit IRC[16:03:29] *** tojoko has joined #haiku[16:08:05] *** stippi has quit IRC[16:08:53] *** stippi has joined #haiku[16:08:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[16:10:36] *** tojoko has quit IRC[16:10:56] *** tojoko has joined #haiku[16:20:34] *** kushalsingh007 has quit IRC[16:20:57] *** kushalsingh007 has joined #haiku[16:25:40] *** kushalsingh007 has quit IRC[16:31:18] *** arroyoc has joined #haiku[16:33:03] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[16:40:46] *** rennj has quit IRC[16:54:39] *** kushalsingh007 has joined #haiku[17:02:04] *** tojoko has quit IRC[17:03:13] *** ThunderBlade has joined #haiku[17:05:33] *** kushalsingh007 has quit IRC[17:06:47] *** tojoko has joined #haiku[17:13:50] *** ACGuy has joined #haiku[17:13:58] <ACGuy> Hey![17:14:06] <ACGuy> Any BeOS user on here?[17:15:03] <ACGuy> I have a problem with my networking, I have a Realtek 8139 ethernet card, and it seems like it looses its connection[17:15:28] <ACGuy> I mean, I can't ping neither inside or outiside (google for example) of my network[17:15:48] <ACGuy> That doesn't seem to happen on Win98[17:15:52] *** tojoko has quit IRC[17:18:51] *** ACGuy has quit IRC[17:19:13] *** ACGuy has joined #haiku[17:20:28] *** ii-v has quit IRC[17:20:51] <mmu_man> ACGuy: R5 with net_server ?[17:20:58] <mmu_man> you might have more luck installing BONE[17:21:00] <mmu_man> it's more stable[17:21:33] *** ii-v has joined #haiku[17:21:48] <ACGuy> Where could I get it?[17:22:04] <ACGuy> Thing is, this hasn't happened until a week ago or so[17:22:09] <ACGuy> Now it seems stable, though[17:22:21] <ACGuy> I'm on the BeOS machine, actually[17:23:01] <mmu_man> that you can probably find on BeShare[17:23:08] <mmu_man> bbl[17:23:32] <ACGuy> Does it still exist?[17:23:48] <mmu_man> yes[17:23:51] <mmu_man> bbl[17:24:04] <ACGuy> Hmm, thanks[17:24:07] <ACGuy> I'll try[17:24:12] <ACGuy> g2g[17:24:14] *** ACGuy has quit IRC[17:30:39] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[17:30:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[17:41:02] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[17:41:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[17:42:01] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[17:42:26] <humdinger> I'll be releasing a bugfix release of Clipdinger soon. Anyone who wants to contribute a localization?[17:42:28] <humdinger> see: https://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/catkeys_translators_needed_3rd_party_apps[17:42:55] <humdinger> For the other apps listed there, too, of course... :)[17:48:27] *** GeneralDuke has quit IRC[17:54:14] *** tqh has joined #haiku[17:54:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[17:55:10] *** ThunderBlade is now known as kushalsingh007[18:04:08] <Paradoxon> any haiku bash guru around?[18:04:58] <humdinger> I'm a bash dabbler... :)[18:05:12] <Paradoxon> i want to make a script wich automatically creates hvif ressources from all icons in a folder and add them to one ressourcefile[18:05:36] <Paradoxon> the icons are in stored as "normal" hvif file[18:05:57] <humdinger> gots to code a translator first, I'd say.[18:05:58] <Not-b880> [haikuports] fbrosson synchronize pull request #598: tar: bump to 1.29, adapt patch, add TEST(), switch to mirror. - https://git.io/vrW5p[18:06:17] <Paradoxon> i understand that translate would be helpfull and maybe >>[18:07:11] <Not-b880> [haikuports] fbrosson edited pull request #598: tar: bump to 1.29, rework patch, mark x86 as tested, add TEST(). - https://git.io/vrW5p[18:09:16] *** Auroz has joined #haiku[18:09:41] *** stippi has quit IRC[18:11:37] *** orealis has quit IRC[18:16:28] *** arroyoc has quit IRC[18:17:33] *** stippi has joined #haiku[18:17:33] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[18:18:04] <Paradoxon> ok ... i thought there is already a translator[18:20:11] <humdinger> nope. only to bitmap output. so HVIF to any image format should work.[18:20:22] <Paradoxon> ohh ok[18:20:32] <humdinger> a capable dev could turn IOM's export into a translator.[18:20:50] *** stippi has quit IRC[18:20:54] <humdinger> that dev would be revered and cherries for eternity. :)[18:20:59] <humdinger> *cherrished[18:21:02] <Paradoxon> the challenge is.. i am not capable (anymore..) and the one left...[18:21:09] <Paradoxon> who could do it[18:21:10] <Paradoxon> :)[18:21:23] <PulkoMandy> making a translator isn't such a hard task[18:21:28] <Paradoxon> actually i guess there are mor pressuring task[18:21:29] <humdinger> I don't believe that.[18:21:44] <PulkoMandy> once I get my native resolution back I may have a look…[18:21:51] <Paradoxon> :-D[18:21:52] <Paradoxon> lol[18:21:52] <PulkoMandy> (and the few other items in the TODO list)[18:21:59] <Paradoxon> ohh..[18:22:05] <Paradoxon> you remeber me..[18:22:05] <Paradoxon> args..[18:22:13] <Paradoxon> totaly forgot my google task todolist sync[18:22:31] <humdinger> BTW, I seem to be the exception that can still use his haswell chipset in VESA mode in native res.[18:22:47] <bbjimmy> This would be widely appreciated. a command line app to convert an .hvif to an rdef file.[18:22:56] <Paradoxon> :-D[18:23:12] * humdinger is idle: dinner[18:23:32] <PulkoMandy> humdinger: I think my haswell machine may be ok, but didn't dare to try yet[18:23:36] <Paradoxon> actually the nativ resolution cause my first new install[18:23:42] *** tojoko has joined #haiku[18:23:45] <PulkoMandy> the laptop is sandy bridge and VESA is not native[18:23:45] <Paradoxon> because it just went black..[18:23:50] <Paradoxon> on my laptop[18:24:00] <Paradoxon> so it was even worse behavior.. then bevore..[18:24:29] <Paradoxon> i really dindt thought that it was the driver... and tried everything.. ending up even installing a new haiku...[18:24:37] <Paradoxon> i didnt tested vesa :-D[18:24:39] <Paradoxon> lol[18:24:50] <tojoko> hi Paradoxon, what's up?[18:25:25] <tojoko> another case of degradin'?[18:25:26] *** orealis has joined #haiku[18:25:53] <tojoko> btw, my screen goes black after a while of inactivity - and i can revoke it. just hard reset.[18:26:03] <Paradoxon> :-D[18:26:13] <Paradoxon> did you tried entering the kdl?[18:26:23] <Paradoxon> with the keycombo?[18:28:24] <tojoko> year, didn't work either. i mean, i just don't leave the notebook alone, everything is fine. it just would be great to know if there is anything to turn it off. i mean, if it's just a click away ...[18:28:40] <tojoko> Paradoxon, so, your's doesn't work with the latetest nightly?[18:31:09] *** arroyoc has joined #haiku[18:33:03] *** vdamewood has quit IRC[18:33:28] *** Nothing_Much has joined #haiku[18:37:19] *** Megaf has quit IRC[18:38:51] <Paradoxon> only vesa mode is working.. the other gives me a black screen...[18:42:08] *** rennj has joined #haiku[18:44:39] *** return0e has joined #haiku[18:45:08] * humdinger has returned[18:45:11] <tojoko> hehe - that upsets one, doesn't it? it's the same with wifi on my netbook.[18:45:36] <humdinger> tojoko: did you deactivate the "turn off monitor" in the Screensaver prefs?[18:47:07] <tojoko> humdinger, no, thanks, i will look for that next reboot.[18:49:18] *** return0e has quit IRC[18:49:28] *** vidrep has joined #haiku[18:49:48] <vidrep> Hi[18:50:37] <tojoko> hi vidrep[18:50:46] <tojoko> i was thinkin' about u[18:50:55] <vidrep> Good or bad thoughts?[18:50:55] *** return0e has joined #haiku[18:51:27] <tojoko> well, u said something about bruno brocoli and him summin' it all up quit good - but i couldn't find any post u might have meant.[18:51:57] <vidrep> Oh that[18:52:24] *** return0e has quit IRC[18:52:33] *** return0e has joined #haiku[18:52:48] <humdinger> read that. sounded a bit more like a rant.[18:52:56] <humdinger> I didn't understand everything, though...[18:53:22] <tojoko> humdinger, well, that's sometimes a narrow ... don t know how to express it in english.[18:54:53] <vidrep> Probably this thread: https://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/so_where_help_needed_haiku_project_these_days[18:55:03] <humdinger> yeah. well... So many people are complaining and give "advice" what has to be done by "someone". tiring.[18:55:14] <vidrep> I do it myself[18:55:56] <tojoko> thanks vidrep - well humdinger, still it can help to locate yourself in what u see as a mess :)[18:55:56] <tojoko> cu, gotta go.[18:56:13] <humdinger> cu tojoko![18:56:24] *** miqlas-H has joined #haiku[18:56:25] <vidrep> I do it myself - I also have a habit of complaining[18:56:30] <humdinger> vidrep: you lack the tone of entitlement. :)[18:56:31] <miqlas-H> Hi Guys![18:56:42] <humdinger> Prost miqlas-H! :)[18:57:44] *** Destroyfx has joined #haiku[18:58:42] <vidrep> humdinger, I think we all have a sense of frustration at times with how the project is going[18:59:08] <humdinger> yeah. but you have to free yourself from that.[18:59:13] <humdinger> think puppies.[18:59:16] <humdinger> rainbows.[18:59:27] <vidrep> Sometimes I get really down on it, but after a few minutes of thought, I let it go[18:59:34] *** cc^mint has joined #haiku[18:59:56] <vidrep> humdinger :D[19:00:01] *** tojoko has quit IRC[19:00:37] <cc^mint> hAIKU![19:00:46] <vidrep> humdinger, if I ever go go Germany (not likely), I'll have to take to to a bar and get you drunk[19:00:51] <humdinger> cAPSLOCK[19:01:15] <humdinger> vidrep: that's not a difficult task. :)[19:01:23] <Paradoxon> no if you ever come we need to make a coding party[19:01:53] <vidrep> I already owe kallisti a couple of brews[19:02:35] <humdinger> all come to BeGeistert 032 for the big R1 party.[19:03:00] <Paradoxon> Ok thats a goal[19:03:10] <Paradoxon> :-D[19:05:20] <Paradoxon> bad thing is that BeGeistert is always in Autum thats where i never ever find time :/[19:05:56] <miqlas-H> Guys, it is not a big problem to have a beer. I already got one[19:06:23] <humdinger> Surely you get the weekend off when your project of the heart releases finally after 20 years[19:06:30] <miqlas-H> BTW do somebody got any idea, why the ruby configure script cannot find out what the size of "long long" in x86, but works in gcc2?[19:07:02] <humdinger> no idea. maybe ruby needs a beer, too.[19:07:30] <miqlas-H> Here is my configure output, hop it helps: http://termbin.com/2rl4[19:08:09] <vidrep> humdinger, I'm not sure what diversys is asking for here: https://github.com/diversys/sanity/issues/10[19:09:01] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[19:09:14] <humdinger> vidrep: he asks for a pull request of your changes to the code[19:09:54] <Paradoxon> humdinger a more motivating goal would be to bring Haiku out at Begeister 030[19:09:56] <vidrep> humdinger, follow the link at the bottom[19:10:07] <Paradoxon> and then make a big release party out of it[19:10:25] <vidrep> https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/pull/599[19:10:32] <miqlas-H> Paradoxon: i bring the beer. Who get the girls?[19:11:06] <vidrep> I hope I didn't cause confusion with posts in both[19:11:42] <humdinger> vidrep: the changes you had to do was in the sanity code. so sanity has to be changed first.[19:12:00] <humdinger> then you can update the recipe to download the changed version of sanity.[19:12:07] <humdinger> i.e. a new version of the recipe.[19:12:15] <humdinger> but the sanit changes come first.[19:13:15] *** imperator has joined #haiku[19:13:19] *** imperator has left #haiku[19:14:08] <Paradoxon> miqlas-H i have my girls for live time.. i only brought my girl once .. i gues it was 10 year ago or so :-D[19:15:41] <vidrep> humdinger, Barrett tried to explain the other day, but I just found myself confused :/[19:15:58] <Paradoxon> actually she was already my wife :-D[19:16:15] <vidrep> It didn't help that Web+ crashed on git all the time either[19:16:35] <humdinger> vidrep: first you need an account at github, log in and go to https://github.com/diversys/sanity.[19:16:48] <humdinger> use quipzilla for that then.[19:16:49] <vidrep> I have an account[19:17:09] *** Barrett has quit IRC[19:17:13] <humdinger> at diver's sanity repo, press the "fork" button on top.[19:17:24] <vidrep> Maybe I'll log in with Windows gag[19:17:48] <humdinger> now you have the sanity source forked into your own repo.[19:18:30] <vidrep> OK wait a minute, I'll boot into Windows and hope my KVM switch works today[19:18:38] <humdinger> ok[19:22:17] *** leszek has quit IRC[19:22:20] <PulkoMandy> btw, the websocket code in webkit which I think is causing most of the crashes currently should be easier to replace now that we have BSocketMessenger or whatever that new class is called[19:22:30] <PulkoMandy> if someone wants to have a look[19:22:42] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: is that on your TODO list too? :)[19:22:55] <PulkoMandy> I didn't have much success with the intel driver so I'm looking into VBE 3 which supposedly allows custom video modes with VESA[19:23:06] <PulkoMandy> humdinger: it keeps growing all the time, sadly :)[19:24:24] <Paradoxon> PulkoMandy any chance to get you back as a fulltime dev..?? i would donate :.D[19:25:59] <humdinger> funny. web+ and quipzilla now crash on launch. and youtube-dl refuses to download anything (" Got server HTTP error.").[19:26:05] <humdinger> I think I have to reboot...[19:26:57] * humdinger is idle: reboots[19:27:01] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[19:27:01] *** humdinger has quit IRC[19:27:19] <miqlas-H> In ruby's config.log i see this:[19:27:23] <miqlas-H> configure:11616: ./conftest[19:27:23] <miqlas-H> runtime_loader: Cannot open file libssp.so.0: No such file or directory[19:27:35] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[19:27:35] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[19:27:38] * humdinger has returned[19:27:47] <miqlas-H> It doesn't look good. I actually have this lib here: /boot/system/develop/tools/x86/lib/gcc/i586-pc-haiku/5.3.0[19:28:39] <vidrep> Whew, my KVM switch worked. OK, I have created a fork and did the edit to the file. Next?[19:29:16] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[19:29:36] <vidrep> "Commit directly to the master branch" -> Commit changes?[19:29:54] <humdinger> vidrep: you cloned our forked repo?[19:29:57] <humdinger> *your[19:30:15] <vidrep> yes[19:30:39] <humdinger> right. so you did your changes to the code. now "git commit -a".[19:30:50] <humdinger> type in a nice message what you've changed.[19:32:57] *** vidrep has quit IRC[19:33:05] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[19:33:10] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[19:33:25] <humdinger> KVM kicked poor vidrep. :)[19:34:13] *** vidrep has joined #haiku[19:35:17] <vidrep> Yep, that's what happen alright[19:35:43] <miqlas-H> It looks like this bug reurrected again: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/6661[19:35:49] <vidrep> I knew it wouldn't successfully switch more than once[19:36:10] *** rennj has quit IRC[19:36:51] <vidrep> Here's were I'm at: Vidrep/sanity; forked from diversys/sanity[19:37:40] <vidrep> I've made the necessary changes with the editor and now it's asking to commit changes[19:37:40] *** rennj has joined #haiku[19:37:41] <humdinger> vidrep: you said before you have cloned that forked repo, right?[19:37:55] <humdinger> you work on the website?[19:37:58] *** cucujoidea has joined #haiku[19:38:00] <vidrep> yesa[19:38:03] <vidrep> yes[19:38:08] <humdinger> ah. never did that...[19:38:46] <humdinger> so... is there a way to commit those changes on the website?[19:38:51] <vidrep> In Windows you can do it apparently[19:39:17] <vidrep> Yes, it asks "Commit changes to master"[19:39:34] <humdinger> do that.[19:39:55] <humdinger> we could also try it from terminal. then you can do it from Haiku.[19:40:08] <humdinger> and only do the forking and PR with the website.[19:40:19] <humdinger> since it's a bit unstable in Haiku browsers...[19:43:57] <Carl_Miller> So I tried booting the Haiku anyboot yesterday on my desktop (which has an AMD Athlon II processor and an AMD Radeon R5 230 graphics card), and on both the regular and gcc4 x64 versions, it boots to a black screen[19:45:09] <humdinger> no Haiku boot logo at all?[19:45:09] *** ThunderBlade has joined #haiku[19:45:47] *** kushalsingh007 has quit IRC[19:46:02] <Carl_Miller> gcc2: Haiku boot logo, then black screen | gcc4 x86: boot icon sequence with no Haiku logo, then black screen[19:47:13] <humdinger> try to enter boot options (hold space)[19:47:37] <humdinger> gcc4 nightlies don't have a logo, since gcc2h is the only official image.[19:48:31] <humdinger> try fail-safe video mode[19:49:04] *** vidrep has quit IRC[19:49:09] <Carl_Miller> Ahh[19:49:14] <Carl_Miller> I will[19:51:03] <humdinger> you may have to blacklist the video driver[19:51:14] *** vidrep has joined #haiku[19:51:19] <humdinger> https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/daily-tasks/blacklist-packages[19:51:48] <Carl_Miller> Which would suck because IIRC the boot screen is already the proper resolution of 1366x768[19:52:22] <humdinger> VESA doesn't necessarily mean non-native resolution.[19:52:30] <humdinger> works for me, for example.[19:53:12] <vidrep> humdinger, it looks like fbrosson already commit the patch: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/pull/599[19:53:44] <vidrep> I think I should stay away from git until I'm sure what I'm doing[19:54:02] * Carl_Miller scribbles down[19:56:03] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[19:56:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[19:56:16] *** jjido has joined #haiku[19:58:09] <humdinger> vidrep: a bit stupid to have a patch in the recipe when one can change the sanity source code...[19:58:27] <humdinger> vidrep: you could still PR our changes to diver's sanity repo.[19:59:27] *** jjido has joined #haiku[20:00:43] *** ThunderBlade is now known as kushalsingh007[20:04:19] *** jjido has quit IRC[20:06:20] *** vidrep has quit IRC[20:06:52] *** Tristitia has quit IRC[20:15:38] *** vidrep has joined #haiku[20:16:54] *** Destroyfx has quit IRC[20:17:15] *** Destroyfx has joined #haiku[20:18:34] *** Barrett has quit IRC[20:19:00] <vidrep> I did a fresh clone of haikuports and built Sanity. The recipe is working and so is the Sanity0.6 hpkg[20:19:50] <vidrep> I think any changes to the master should be done by someone who knows what they're doing - not me[20:20:09] <humdinger> vidrep: yes, because the recipe patches the sanity source (after downloading the 'broken' sanity source).[20:20:30] <humdinger> you could do the PR and diver can decide to accept or not.[20:20:39] <humdinger> doing PR is a valuable skill.[20:20:43] <humdinger> and it's easy :)[20:21:29] *** stippi has joined #haiku[20:21:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[20:21:43] <vidrep> Yes, I understand what you mean, but afraid I'll f**k up the package[20:22:08] <humdinger> nah. firstl, it's a PR for diver's sanity repo.[20:22:44] <humdinger> and that this code change works is demonstarted by the working patch of the recipe.[20:23:01] <vidrep> OK, how do I know if the change I made went through or not?[20:23:06] <humdinger> all your PR does, is make that patch "permanent" in the code[20:23:21] <humdinger> in your repo? from before?[20:23:46] <vidrep> So, to test, I could remove the patch and see if it still builds?[20:24:33] <humdinger> you could remove the patch from the recipe, and point the Source_URI to your forked repo with the change.[20:24:56] <humdinger> but since you're only redoing the patch of the recipe, it has to work.[20:25:31] <vidrep> ??? I need an Advil[20:25:58] *** stippi has quit IRC[20:26:02] <humdinger> you've basically just done this patch: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/pull/599[20:26:13] <humdinger> i.e. change one line in the code[20:28:01] <humdinger> so your change is already proven to work (the recipe did it by patching)[20:28:40] *** tojoko has joined #haiku[20:30:08] <Carl_Miller> What would be nice, if it didn't already exist, is an emulation layer for old BeOS programs :3[20:30:23] *** arroyoc has quit IRC[20:30:48] <humdinger> Haiku is pretty much compatible to BeOS.[20:31:48] <Carl_Miller> :D[20:32:07] <humdinger> if anything non-working could be fixed in an emulation layer, it could also be fixed directly in Haiku.[20:32:24] <humdinger> the question is, what's missing and how to implement it.[20:32:34] <humdinger> not easy for closed source things.[20:35:24] <PulkoMandy> not easy, but quite possible with the appropriate tools[20:36:03] <humdinger> then there's also the question of motivation...[20:36:52] <humdinger> e.g. having 3dmix would be nice on one hand, but was it ever usable for more than a demo?[20:37:08] <humdinger> and couldn't it be rewritten more easily?[20:37:15] <humdinger> end extensibly[20:38:57] <miqlas-H> humdinger: CATIA isn't works in Haiku :([20:39:21] <humdinger> miqlas-H: ask them to port it then :)[20:42:35] <miqlas-H> It is multiplatform thingie, not very complicated.... After 6 years i already teaching it too.[20:43:27] <humdinger> cool. then you can port it yourself. :P[20:47:08] <miqlas-H> i have got no sources. but somebody surely can reverse engineer it. it is just around some GB......[20:47:13] <vidrep> humdinger, I went back into git and created a pull request in diversys sanity fork. I "think" it's OK[20:49:01] <vidrep> If I delete the patch and change the line manually in my local haikuports, it builds and works OK.[20:49:11] *** arroyoc has joined #haiku[20:49:44] <humdinger> vidrep: cool. but I don't see a PR at https://github.com/diversys/sanity[20:50:17] <miqlas-H> Guys, on my work laptop i have just Haiku installed. Is it possible to use it for work?[20:50:55] <humdinger> sure, miqlas-H. If you're a professional Haiku writer, for example.[20:51:21] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[20:51:37] <miqlas-H> I'm not a professional Haiku writer.[20:51:56] <miqlas-H> I'm just a technical lead enginner, sorry.[20:52:15] <humdinger> then you might discover some limits of Haiku...[20:52:50] <miqlas-H> humdinger: it can show PDF's, so i'm okay wit that.[20:53:22] <humdinger> ...and so much more.[20:53:45] <Paradoxon> how scriptable is icon-o-matic?[20:53:48] <Paradoxon> with hey?[20:53:53] <miqlas-H> I got today around 5 GB technical PDFs, but i had just my Haiku laptop there.[20:54:19] <miqlas-H> Paradoxon: hey i need an icon[20:54:51] <miqlas-H> it wrked me everytime[20:54:55] <PulkoMandy> speaking of PDFs... let's dig into the intel sandybridge video spec...[20:55:07] <humdinger> Paradoxon: should be scriptable like any other Haiku app.[20:55:45] <humdinger> can get complicated, of course, if there are no convenient suites.[20:56:28] * Paradoxon grabs his snorkel and dives into the hey command[20:57:14] <humdinger> and look into the IOM source to find the BMessages you can use.[20:57:22] <humdinger> saves scripting UI elements.[21:01:53] <miqlas-H> I have a big problem....[21:02:03] <miqlas-H> I have hunger.[21:02:17] <miqlas-H> hu-mdinger: any idea?[21:02:18] <humdinger> you are hungarian[21:02:29] <humdinger> isn't that normal?[21:02:33] <miqlas-H> hungrig[21:02:38] <humdinger> the solution is another beer, of course[21:02:59] <miqlas-H> i got already four[21:03:25] <humdinger> don't they have bar food?[21:03:35] <miqlas-H> not now.[21:03:40] <miqlas-H> sadly[21:03:53] *** vidrep has quit IRC[21:04:09] <humdinger> it's 9 pm. what kind of bar is that...?[21:04:31] *** kushalsingh007 has quit IRC[21:04:35] <miqlas-H> a simple one, what will be close morning[21:04:49] *** kushalsingh007 has joined #haiku[21:04:57] <humdinger> yeah. catholics are no fun. :)[21:05:44] *** Akuji has quit IRC[21:05:50] <miqlas-H> humdinger: what no fun is, that they never ask me in the pub, what i want, but they ask me in the restaurants.[21:06:18] *** vidrep has joined #haiku[21:06:21] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[21:06:23] <humdinger> if you hang out in the restaurants as much as in that pub...[21:06:42] <miqlas-H> can somebody tell me, how can i export some enviromental variables all the time?[21:06:52] <miqlas-H> for example:[21:07:00] *** axeld has joined #haiku[21:07:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[21:07:15] <miqlas-H> export BEER=HEFEWEIZEN FOOD=ANYTHING[21:07:25] <vidrep> I see the problem. I closed the pull request, instead of leaving it open.[21:07:45] <miqlas-H> vidrep: thank you![21:08:13] <humdinger> miqlas-H: you mean in real live or in Haiku?[21:08:25] <miqlas-H> But can you explain, how i can define something with define as global?[21:08:43] <miqlas-H> real life.[21:09:19] <miqlas-H> i got passport with chip card, it should capable to do so simple things, right?[21:09:24] <humdinger> maybe print it on a t-shirt?[21:09:55] <miqlas-H> should i really pay for something with i can pay more?[21:10:44] <humdinger> maybe change to FOOD=ANYTHING_CHEAP[21:10:47] <miqlas-H> it should be always prited aboce my real-life avatar.[21:10:52] <miqlas-H> printed[21:10:58] <miqlas-H> above[21:11:40] <miqlas-H> humdinger: they are türkish, nobody understand that here. :([21:12:05] <miqlas-H> or it have too big dependeciies tree[21:12:41] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[21:13:56] <miqlas-H> es ist really sad, that there is no infrastructure for that yet[21:14:17] <miqlas-H> es=it[21:15:33] <miqlas-H> humdinger: don't panic, i got my fifth beer just now[21:15:48] <humdinger> praise the lord.[21:16:00] <humdinger> I think I'll have a red wine myself[21:16:44] * humdinger shuffles into the wine cellar[21:17:10] <miqlas-H> and the beer brauerei just made a new art of beer. The smoked beer. It have smoked pork smell and taste.[21:18:15] <miqlas-H> Plenty people said, bee ir fluid bread because the calorie inhalt.[21:18:52] <miqlas-H> but with smoked bof taste it is not just a fluid bread.... it is a whole breakfast...[21:19:48] <miqlas-H> bof=beef[21:20:35] <miqlas-H> "tell me if you hear the same song: ooooh, stand by me"[21:21:09] <miqlas-H> stand by me....[21:21:21] <miqlas-H> it is some kind of radio[21:22:10] <miqlas-H> Haiku by me... Oh Haiku by me![21:22:42] *** ACGuy has joined #haiku[21:22:50] <ACGuy> Hello[21:23:58] *** eschatologist has quit IRC[21:23:58] <humdinger> hullo[21:25:30] *** ACGuy has quit IRC[21:26:16] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[21:26:28] *** dom96 has joined #haiku[21:26:40] *** vidrep has quit IRC[21:28:50] *** ACGuy has joined #haiku[21:28:55] <HAIKU-irker315> haiku.master: barrett * hrev50333 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=0e4c5de06d50+%5E164ff9971e3b[21:28:56] <HAIKU-irker315> 0e4c5de06d50: Add live555 packages for x86 and x86_64[21:31:08] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[21:33:08] *** ACGuy has quit IRC[21:37:21] *** arroyoc has quit IRC[21:39:22] *** ACGuy has joined #haiku[21:39:42] <ACGuy> Okay, so I just installed BONE on my BeOS PC[21:39:46] <ACGuy> Seems to run fine[21:39:48] *** humdinger has quit IRC[21:41:16] <ACGuy> Funny thing, it changed my version from 5.0.3 to Dano0[21:41:17] *** rennj has quit IRC[21:41:48] *** Akuji has quit IRC[21:46:34] *** cc^mint has quit IRC[21:47:33] *** arroyoc has joined #haiku[21:48:42] *** rennj has joined #haiku[21:49:52] *** eschatologist has joined #haiku[21:50:51] <miqlas-H> ACGuy: the BonE isn't released officially.[21:51:14] <miqlas-H> that's why it become the strane version[21:51:46] *** derRichard has joined #haiku[21:56:31] *** ACGuy has quit IRC[22:01:21] <derRichard> hi guys![22:02:04] <derRichard> i'm interested in working on haiku. what platform do you use mostly for development?[22:02:19] <derRichard> i'd like to build and run it on linux.[22:02:54] <jessicah> I build with ubuntu host and test with qemu all the time[22:03:42] <jessicah> I use a ubuntu vm on windows for building :)[22:03:56] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:04:15] <jessicah> and other times, I use haiku as host[22:04:37] <jessicah> build times between ubuntu vm and haiku host are fairly comparable[22:04:41] <Carl_Miller> (brb)[22:04:41] *** ACGuy has joined #haiku[22:04:43] *** Carl_Miller has quit IRC[22:04:51] <ACGuy> I said nothing[22:04:59] <ACGuy> My networking is still failing[22:05:30] <derRichard> jessicah: cool. do i need a cross compiler? or can i use a bare metal gcc (gcc without a libc)?[22:05:54] <jessicah> the build system automatically creates cross-compiler[22:05:59] <jessicah> as part of the configure step[22:06:24] <jessicah> so you need to clone both the buildtools & the haiku repos[22:06:26] <derRichard> why that? can't i use an existing one?[22:06:41] *** cc^mint has joined #haiku[22:06:46] <jessicah> on a haiku host, it'll use the installed compilers[22:06:55] <jessicah> on non-haiku, it needs to build a cross-compiler[22:06:56] <miqlas-H> I need to go.[22:07:01] <miqlas-H> Bye Guys![22:07:21] <jessicah> the compiler bakes in various configuration options and things that are specific to the target you're building[22:07:41] <jessicah> same as how you need a mingw cross-compiler to build windows binaries on linux[22:07:42] *** miqlas-H has quit IRC[22:08:11] <jessicah> the same would apply for say building freebsd on linux[22:08:47] <derRichard> not when i just build the kernel on linux ;)[22:08:50] <derRichard> but i got your point[22:09:18] <jessicah> like even compiler include paths are different on haiku[22:10:11] <derRichard> i assumed your build system sets all paths up[22:10:19] <jessicah> anyway, on a decent machine, the cross-tools don't take too long to build[22:10:34] <jessicah> well, yes[22:11:24] <jessicah> a -j4 build in my ubuntu vm on a 3rd gen i5 takes about 5 minutes[22:11:30] <tojoko> re[22:11:40] *** axeld has quit IRC[22:11:50] <tojoko> Paradoxon said somethin' about a hardware database - anything know to u?[22:11:53] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[22:14:04] *** ACGuy has quit IRC[22:16:12] <derRichard> do filesystems run in usermode on haiku?[22:16:23] <jessicah> no[22:16:36] <jessicah> although haiku does have a fuse-compatible layer as well[22:17:01] <derRichard> i wonder why bfs is in src/add-ons/ and not src/system/kernel...[22:18:52] <jessicah> it's a kernel add-on[22:19:09] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[22:19:25] <derRichard> okay, in haiku speak a kernel add-on is something such as a kernel module on linux?[22:19:35] <jessicah> err, hmm, pretty sure it is...[22:20:07] <derRichard> :-)[22:20:18] <derRichard> sorry for asking stange stuff[22:20:19] <derRichard> *strange[22:20:20] <jessicah> ah, no, it is.. in https://github.com/haiku/haiku/tree/master/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/bfs is the actual file system addon[22:20:46] *** rennj has quit IRC[22:20:59] <jessicah> https://github.com/haiku/haiku/tree/master/src/add-ons/disk_systems/bfs is user space stuff for disk partioning I believe[22:21:32] <jessicah> as you can initialize a whole disk as bfs, and skip partition tables entirely[22:22:06] <jessicah> which is a little odd, but BeOS has always been a little odd, and we inherit a lot of BeOS oddities :D[22:22:16] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[22:22:30] <derRichard> well, having a fs directly on a disk without partitions is nothing special[22:22:43] *** PasNox has quit IRC[22:22:58] <jessicah> well, for removable media, sure[22:23:02] <jessicah> for hard disks, it's less common[22:23:06] <tojoko> yep[22:23:19] <derRichard> i do this all day on linux :D[22:23:45] <jessicah> yeah, it's just not typical[22:24:07] <jessicah> a typical linux, windows, osx, freebsd install will create partition tables, even if just one partition[22:24:55] *** ii-v has quit IRC[22:25:28] <jessicah> back to your other question; yes, kernel add-ons are probably quite similar to kernel modules in linux[22:27:10] <derRichard> ok[22:28:46] <PulkoMandy> yes, they are[22:29:09] <derRichard> a team in haiku is a kernel thread group?[22:30:53] <jessicah> so many questions! :)[22:31:09] <jessicah> mm, a team is a process[22:31:22] <jessicah> what kind of stuff are you interested in contributing to?[22:32:05] <jessicah> and yes, threads belong to a team[22:33:01] <derRichard> well, i'm a linux kernel developer and in my spare time i "read" other kernels :-)[22:33:31] <jessicah> we always need more kernel developers ;-)[22:34:26] <mmu_man> yeah :)[22:35:28] *** Nothing_Much has quit IRC[22:41:17] <derRichard> hehe :D[22:42:10] <Not-b880> [haikuports] fbrosson opened pull request #611: file: bump to 5.27, move the magic file to a common sub-package. - https://git.io/vrXke[22:44:57] *** Carl_Miller has joined #haiku[22:45:44] <Carl_Miller> Fail-safe video mode worked, but the video is only 1024x768 instead of 1366x768. Also networking doesn't work.[22:45:52] * Carl_Miller pulls the latest nightly and will try again shortly[22:49:29] *** jjido has joined #haiku[22:52:49] *** rennj has joined #haiku[22:52:52] *** cucujoidea has quit IRC[22:54:12] *** jjido has quit IRC[22:55:41] *** arroyoc has quit IRC[22:55:50] *** rennj has left #haiku[22:55:51] *** rennj has joined #haiku[23:00:21] *** jjido has joined #haiku[23:00:51] <tojoko> Carl_Miller, experienced user? what kind of network?[23:01:19] <Carl_Miller> tojoko: No. Wired network using an nForce... MCP78, I think it is? It's built into my Acer Aspire X3400G[23:03:43] <tojoko> mhmm, sounds bad - u read the tutorial for wifi? do u have wifi at all?[23:04:09] <Carl_Miller> I have a PCI Express Wi-Fi card that used to work flawlessly, but now I can't get it to work in any operating system whatsoever >_<[23:04:51] <tojoko> uhhh. well, i use an old nightly build cause my wifi isn't supported anymore.[23:05:24] <tojoko> have u installed wifi in haiku?[23:05:46] <Carl_Miller> No[23:05:56] <tojoko> why not?[23:06:47] <Carl_Miller> Because I don't use Wi-Fi[23:06:53] <tojoko> oh, ok.[23:16:01] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[23:16:37] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[23:16:37] *** Auroz has quit IRC[23:16:42] *** Paianni has joined #haiku[23:19:46] *** Nothing_Much has joined #haiku[23:24:48] *** Nothing_Much has quit IRC[23:32:11] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[23:36:57] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[23:37:22] *** Cenbe has quit IRC[23:37:22] *** Cenbe has joined #haiku[23:38:49] *** kushalsingh007 has quit IRC[23:39:25] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[23:41:17] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:45:00] *** vidrep has joined #haiku[23:55:56] *** vidrep has quit IRC[23:56:11] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[23:56:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[23:57:33] *** Nothing_Much has joined #haiku