May 23, 2016 
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May 23, 2016 [00:00:15] *** HAIKU-Buildbot has quit IRC[00:00:30] *** HAIKU-Buildbot has joined #haiku[00:00:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v HAIKU-Buildbot[00:01:01] <IIsi50MHz> "String literal too long (I let you have 512 characters, that's 3 more than ANSI said I should)" --MPW C, circa 1994[00:01:35] <IIsi50MHz> Not as witty with their messages as MAXIS, but I like it.[00:01:35] *** bbjimmy1 has quit IRC[00:03:27] <eschatologist> IIsi50MHz: http://www.jasik.com/sourceandassembly.html[00:03:56] <eschatologist> I don't have a great screenshot of The Debugger unfortunately, but it was way cooler than TMON. Source-level debugging of drivers and such.[00:04:18] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[00:06:45] <eschatologist> A decade and a half before Java developers were buying their own licenses for IntelliJ IDEA to use wherever they happened to work (and take with them to the next project), professional Mac developers were doing the same with Resorcerer and The Debugger.[00:06:59] <IIsi50MHz> TMON did source-level...if your source was in assembly (-;[00:08:16] <IIsi50MHz> It's the same over and over again, really. Wonderful things from past systems reinvented, but usually larger and slower, or missing some key element of the originals.[00:08:41] <eschatologist> Heh. Not to knock Waldemar's work at all, he's awesome and TMON was awesome for the time.[00:10:20] *** vidrep has joined #haiku[00:12:01] <IIsi50MHz> I like that it could regain mouse after a mouse-freezing event.[00:12:08] <IIsi50MHz> I'd only ever played with MacsBug.[00:12:46] <IIsi50MHz> And all I remember of that now are "G FINDER" (rarely worked) and "SM 0 A9F4[Enter]G 0" (usually worked).[00:16:12] * IIsi50MHz rediscovers some old code he wrote in H. Nelisse's HIRC 1.18[00:16:48] <IIsi50MHz> Holy crap, I didn't think I ever wrote something that was 103829 lines of code. Not even close.[00:17:30] * IIsi50MHz scrolls through the document map, sees large blocks commented out[00:17:42] <IIsi50MHz> Well, that explains a third of it. :-D[00:18:40] <IIsi50MHz> I later learned that HIRC scripting was a bit like mIRC scripting, with most of the features missing.[00:18:54] <mmu_man> lol[00:18:55] <IIsi50MHz> I implemented a lot of stuff using weird side-effects.[00:20:37] <IIsi50MHz> Built a few IRC bots in it, one of which generated variations of each natural-language reply using difficult-to-extend decision tree.[00:20:38] *** Paianni has quit IRC[00:20:44] <IIsi50MHz> Just to avoid being repetitive.[00:22:57] <IIsi50MHz> I even built a state machine in it, and reinvented math to two digits using a Lispish first-rest side-effect, since there was no math ability.[00:23:54] <IIsi50MHz> For the larger scripts, I had to keep all the files in RAM, because it used MS's standard INI file access routines, which meant its speed was disc bound.[00:24:16] <IIsi50MHz> in RAM disk*[00:25:43] <IIsi50MHz> Having almost no features, HIRC scripting was relatively easy to grok, even taking undocumented features into account. ^_^[00:30:31] *** stippi_ has joined #haiku[00:30:31] *** stippi has quit IRC[00:33:43] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[00:33:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[00:43:04] <Barrett> hello[01:05:28] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:07:27] *** nighty has quit IRC[01:07:44] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[01:07:47] *** eschatologist has quit IRC[01:13:54] <vidrep> Hi Barrett[01:14:05] *** Megaf has quit IRC[01:14:28] <Barrett> hi vidrep[01:16:51] *** eschatologist has joined #haiku[01:17:21] *** Nach0z has quit IRC[01:20:09] <vidrep> What's new?[01:20:35] <Barrett> digging with packages[01:21:24] *** Nach0z has joined #haiku[01:21:33] <vidrep> I'm just getting ready to test one of my other PC's with the latest nightly[01:21:59] <vidrep> Last time was probably 6 months ago[01:26:35] <vidrep> What packages are you referring to?[01:28:08] <Barrett> live555[01:28:34] <vidrep> Ok[01:28:43] <vidrep> making progress?[01:31:24] <Barrett> eh I've never get involved into uploading a package[01:31:38] <Barrett> something easy in theory but pretty undocumented[01:32:30] <vidrep> Which reminds me about a email I got yesterday from diversys[01:32:54] <vidrep> Could you create a PR? Any idea what that means?[01:33:17] <Barrett> i'd have preferred to put this time into development[01:33:39] <vidrep> It had to do with the update of the Sanity recipe to 0.6 from 0.5a in the depot[01:33:46] <Barrett> vidrep, I don't understand you question completely[01:34:41] <vidrep> It's Ok.I'll ask diversys[01:34:56] <Barrett> do you need me do a pull request for you?[01:35:14] <vidrep> Maybe that was it, I don't know?[01:36:33] <Barrett> vidrep, you want to push your recipe update?[01:36:57] <vidrep> I guess that's what they wanted[01:37:16] <vidrep> The recipe I have on my local machine is working[01:37:25] <Barrett> there are big changes?[01:37:34] <vidrep> One line[01:37:56] <Barrett> ok, so register github, clone haikuports[01:38:05] <Barrett> in your clone edit that line (there's a browser editor)[01:38:22] <Barrett> it will make automatically a commit[01:38:29] <Barrett> and do a pull request[01:38:49] <Barrett> github will automatically pick your commit in these changes[01:39:31] <vidrep> It was a change to ScannerOptionView.cpp[01:40:39] <vidrep> I'll try it tomorrow[01:40:59] <Barrett> the fix is in sane or in the recipe?[01:41:10] <vidrep> In sane not the recipe[01:42:28] <Barrett> so you have to do basically the same thing but with the sane repo[01:42:35] <Barrett> on haikuarchives I guess[01:43:35] <vidrep> https://github.com/diversys/sanity[01:44:10] <Barrett> when you are logged click the fork button[01:44:21] <Barrett> and do what I already said :-)[01:44:37] <Barrett> that's easy and you can learn how to do it for the future[01:52:37] <vidrep> Not sure :/[01:53:41] <vidrep> +BLocker ScannerOptionView::m_options_list_locker;[01:54:42] <vidrep> Web+ crashed on git[02:01:51] <vidrep> As soon as I hit "open in desktop" Web+ crashes[02:02:09] <vidrep> Does downloading work as well for this?[02:04:24] *** nighty has joined #haiku[02:06:29] *** vidrep has quit IRC[02:06:29] *** stippi_ has quit IRC[02:07:03] *** stippi has joined #haiku[02:07:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[02:08:52] *** dorje has quit IRC[02:26:13] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[02:32:57] *** Carl_Miller has joined #haiku[02:45:31] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[02:56:15] *** hydraz is now known as shydraz[03:00:03] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #710 of haiku-nightlies-x86_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-nightlies-x86_hybrid/builds/710[03:00:27] *** shydraz is now known as hydraz[03:04:06] *** mixomathoze has quit IRC[03:06:28] *** Negr0 has quit IRC[03:10:25] *** mixomathoze has joined #haiku[03:36:22] *** cc^mint has quit IRC[03:38:08] *** vidrep has joined #haiku[03:38:32] <vidrep> Hey Barrett[03:39:13] <vidrep> media_addon_server crash[03:39:53] <vidrep> Firewire-o control[03:40:02] <vidrep> Is that ticket still open?[03:43:06] *** DCatt has quit IRC[03:43:29] <vidrep> Sorry, i see it #12448 is still open[03:48:19] *** vidrep has quit IRC[03:50:17] *** cc^mint 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IRC[10:32:48] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[10:34:49] <BrunoSpr> very slow boot time until Desktop appears[10:34:55] <BrunoSpr> what to do?[10:35:15] <BrunoSpr> boot/home/config/settings is very slow![10:40:03] *** BrunoSpr has quit IRC[10:46:01] *** leszek has joined #haiku[11:00:29] *** stippi has quit IRC[11:00:45] *** stippi1 has quit IRC[11:01:01] *** stippi has joined #haiku[11:01:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[11:01:04] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[11:10:02] *** gouchi has joined #haiku[11:15:42] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[11:16:11] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[11:30:33] *** rennj has quit IRC[11:32:35] *** rennj has joined #haiku[11:48:16] *** stippi_ has joined #haiku[11:48:16] *** stippi has quit IRC[11:51:52] *** stippi_ has quit IRC[11:52:34] *** stippi has joined #haiku[11:52:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[12:04:41] *** jjido has joined #haiku[12:08:20] *** arroyoc has joined #haiku[12:09:33] *** Negr0 has joined #haiku[12:10:07] *** nighty has quit IRC[12:15:27] *** Megaf has quit IRC[12:21:36] *** jjido has quit IRC[12:28:00] *** Akuji has quit IRC[12:28:33] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[12:42:59] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[13:00:44] *** dograt has quit IRC[13:01:53] *** dograt has joined #haiku[13:02:39] *** orealis has quit IRC[13:10:09] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[13:15:01] <Not-b880> [haikuports] fbrosson opened pull request #608: pciutils: add recipe for 3.5.1, enable shared, split data. - https://git.io/vrahZ[13:17:11] *** ii-v has quit IRC[13:19:14] *** ii-v has joined #haiku[13:25:34] <Not-b880> [haikuports] fbrosson opened pull request #609: make: add recipe for 4.2, add TEST(), switch to mirror. - https://git.io/vrajg[13:26:02] *** leszek has quit IRC[13:27:27] *** nighty has joined #haiku[13:36:13] *** Akuji has quit IRC[13:36:19] <Not-b880> [haikuports] fbrosson synchronize pull request #598: tar: bump to 1.29, adapt patch, add TEST(), switch to mirror. - https://git.io/vrW5p[13:36:46] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[14:00:20] *** Akuji has 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joined #haiku[18:36:01] <Auroz> just wondering - is haiku a distro of linux or an OS in its own right, and can *nix-based software be compiled for haiku?[18:37:51] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:37:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[18:41:07] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[18:42:08] *** eschatologist has joined #haiku[18:44:40] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[18:50:14] *** Akuji has quit IRC[18:57:39] *** DKnoto has joined #haiku[19:03:36] <Paradoxon> Auroz its not[19:03:38] <Paradoxon> :)[19:03:59] <Paradoxon> it has nothing to do with *nix .. its just posix compatible[19:04:31] <Paradoxon> the kernel is based on the newOS kernel and the whole design is base on the beos concepts[19:06:10] *** PasNox_ has joined #haiku[19:06:41] <Paradoxon> some libs will compile for haiku but ... they need to be posix compatible[19:06:59] <Paradoxon> software with ui need some kind of interportability ..[19:07:09] <Paradoxon> so you will not find x-server stuff..[19:10:34] *** rennj has joined #haiku[19:11:20] *** Nothing_Much has quit IRC[19:11:36] <Not-b880> [haikuports] fbrosson synchronize pull request #608: pciutils: add recipe for 3.5.1, enable shared, split data. - https://git.io/vrahZ[19:20:22] *** dario1 has joined #haiku[19:23:01] *** Nothing_Much has joined #haiku[19:34:36] *** Nothing_Much has quit IRC[19:36:09] *** eschatologist has quit IRC[19:37:43] <Auroz> Thanks Paradoxon[19:46:30] <Paradoxon> you are welcome[19:46:35] <Paradoxon> feel free to ask :-D[20:02:55] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[20:05:08] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[20:09:29] <FreeFull> Having Wine and some sort of Linux compatibility layer would be nice[20:09:38] <FreeFull> For running those programs that aren't open source[20:10:19] *** tojoko has joined #haiku[20:11:13] <Paradoxon> FreeFull there was a wine port for beos[20:11:35] <Paradoxon> but its a verry huge ammount of work..[20:12:52] <Paradoxon> FreeFull at the moment we dont have enought ressources to even complete all the tasks for haiku in a apropriate time :-D[20:13:08] <FreeFull> Yeah, the not enough devs problem[20:17:58] <Paradoxon> FreeFull feel free to show haiku at your local university.. we have had good expericenes with students stepping up :-D[20:36:33] *** technocf has joined #haiku[20:37:03] <technocf> Hey, I was just wondering why after so many years Haiku is still in Alpha 4 as the stable release[20:37:07] <technocf> "stable"[20:37:39] <tojoko> because[20:38:11] <technocf> Just because? Not really a good reason is it, from an outside perspecive it looks like development has stopped[20:39:20] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[20:40:26] <tojoko> technocf, it hasn't, there are new bugs all the time. Some hardware had been supported till lately. That's proof enough!?[20:41:01] <technocf> Yeah, there are nightly builds but there are no new "releases". No need to get your knickers in a twist.[20:41:15] <Paradoxon> actually everyone wanted to wait until the new packagemanagement is in place..[20:41:29] *** cucujoidea has joined #haiku[20:41:39] <Paradoxon> and this + the ecosystem around packagemanagement was a big ... lets call it challange :-D[20:41:45] <tojoko> i know what u mean, technocf, but i don't see any chance for a release right now. to many minor bugs.[20:42:19] <technocf> Okay, I guess my last question would be. Where do you think we will be in 2020?[20:44:27] <Not-b880> [haikuports] fbrosson synchronize pull request #608: pciutils: add recipe for 3.5.1, enable shared, split data. - https://git.io/vrahZ[20:47:39] <Paradoxon> technocf Release 2[20:47:40] <Paradoxon> :)[20:47:51] <Paradoxon> everything is ready for Beta ...[20:48:02] <Paradoxon> we just need some challanges to tackel down..[20:48:06] <Paradoxon> any help welcome..[20:48:31] <technocf> Well, I'd be up for developing things here if it wasn't for all my college and actual work. :/[20:48:37] *** BdnHtXB has joined #haiku[20:48:38] *** BdnHtXB has left #haiku[20:53:14] <technocf> Not sure where I would start either. :P[20:53:41] <Paradoxon> There is a list with easy task ;-D[20:54:04] <technocf> When I have more time I'll be sure to take a look[20:54:26] <Paradoxon> https://www.haiku-os.org/development/getting-started[20:54:30] <Paradoxon> :-D[20:54:31] <technocf> It'd be cool to say: "I contributed to that"[20:54:35] <Paradoxon> shure[20:54:38] <Paradoxon> :-D[20:55:09] <Auroz> as much as haiku seems good, is there anything that makes it better than linux?[20:55:37] <technocf> Well, for one it is not... #uselesscomment[20:56:04] <tojoko> it's not that big.[20:56:28] <technocf> Well, linux can be small if you remove the fluff that most distros add[21:00:21] *** jjido has joined #haiku[21:04:54] *** eschatologist has joined #haiku[21:06:03] *** jjido has quit IRC[21:08:56] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[21:09:36] <PulkoMandy> Auroz: we try to build an all-in-one system, whereas most linux distros are a mix and match of several projects (linux, libc, X server, and some desktop environment)[21:10:02] <PulkoMandy> by having control of everything we try to make thing more tightly integrated for a smoother user and developer experience[21:10:21] <Auroz> it feels like that would heavily limit customisation though[21:11:07] <technocf> Sounds like the opposite of Linux's philosohpy in a way[21:11:07] <PulkoMandy> yes, that's not what we are after (the Linux ecosystem fits very well for the people who want to spend hours finetuning their OS)[21:11:28] <technocf> Not saying its a bad thing[21:11:33] <Auroz> so you're going more along the lines of windows but FOSS?[21:11:37] <PulkoMandy> we are trying to make something that works out of the box, and there is maybe a downside that it may not be a perfect fit for everyone[21:11:50] <technocf> I am a Linux user myself[21:12:11] <PulkoMandy> we take the good ideas from everywhere (and yes, sometimes Windows has some good ideas - implementation is another matter)[21:12:51] <technocf> A question I have is, do you think Haiku will ever take off or do you think after BeOS got burried it's not going to be a huge thing[21:14:12] <Auroz> is there a place I can just get hold of a haiku iso? I'm currently booted into windows but I wanted to try running it in virtualbox to see what it's like[21:14:30] <technocf> If BeOS worked well and had full releases in the past, is Haiku just modernizing the OS for newer computers?[21:14:58] <Auroz> nevermind, found it[21:16:52] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[21:17:02] <Auroz> hang on, is it 32 or 64 bit?[21:17:29] <PulkoMandy> technocf: Haiku started after BeOS was dead, we wouldn't have started it if we didn't think there would be a place for it[21:17:40] <PulkoMandy> Auroz: both are available[21:17:51] <PulkoMandy> http://download.haiku-os.org[21:18:15] <PulkoMandy> technocf: it's modernizing the OS, not only for modern computers, but also for modern developers ans users :)[21:18:31] <Auroz> says 32 bit here[21:20:17] <PulkoMandy> 64bit: http://download.haiku-os.org/nightly-images/x86_64/[21:20:22] <PulkoMandy> (linked at the bottom of the page)[21:21:02] <Auroz> ah, thanks[21:23:17] *** vidrep has joined #haiku[21:24:03] <Auroz> I'm guessing the FS needs to be Be to install?[21:24:18] <dario1> exactly, Auroz[21:24:22] <Auroz> cheers[21:24:45] <dario1> and when format it, check that "support for querys" is activated too[21:27:18] <Auroz> I must say that was a rather fast installation[21:27:55] <technocf> I have the Alpha 4 disk and on real hardware it's quick too[21:28:02] <Auroz> seems like there's no bootloader by default though[21:28:21] <trinitr0n> PulkoMandy: what happened to your beos archive :([21:28:27] * trinitr0n cries[21:28:47] <jessicah> he was moving house[21:29:05] <dario1> Auroz: there are an option to install Bootman[21:29:21] <Auroz> it didn't give me that option during installation though[21:30:10] *** ii-v has quit IRC[21:30:17] <technocf> What is the minumum spec that Haiku is supposed to support, I want to set a VM to that and see how it works[21:31:16] <dario1> you already booted in Haiku?[21:31:22] <Auroz> no, it failed to boot[21:31:30] <Auroz> because there was no bootloader[21:31:43] <dario1> you are in a VM, really?[21:31:48] <Auroz> yes[21:32:37] <PulkoMandy> trinitr0n: it should be back online now?[21:32:44] <trinitr0n> oh cool[21:32:45] <trinitr0n> thx[21:33:11] <PulkoMandy> (and possibly a bit faster as the server is now using a wired link to my DSL modem)[21:33:28] <PulkoMandy> there may be some on and off downtime in evening if I try to optimize the phone line wiring[21:34:00] <dario1> Auroz: if you push the space bar when get the error message, did you get some menu?[21:34:09] <Auroz> let me try that[21:34:17] <PulkoMandy> Auroz: ~256MB RAM, Pentium CPU with MMX, VESA compatible grpahics, keyboard, mouse[21:34:36] <Auroz> ??[21:34:47] <technocf> I think that was for me[21:34:50] <PulkoMandy> minimum spec for Haiku should be about that[21:34:54] <PulkoMandy> yes, sorry[21:34:55] <dario1> I think it was for technocf[21:34:59] <dario1> :-)[21:34:59] * PulkoMandy starts to be tired[21:35:22] <PulkoMandy> trying to get OpenWRT to work in client mode so I can connect my other computer on the network...[21:35:23] <Auroz> dario1: I get "No bootable active volume", then after hitting any key I get "ROM BASIC FATAL: INT18: BOOT FAILURE"[21:35:53] <technocf> I'm going to, because I can, try 16 MB which is the min I could get past the bootloader with[21:36:42] <PulkoMandy> you won't get to the desktop[21:37:02] <technocf> Well, I'll leave it running in the background for a bit and see what it does[21:38:05] <technocf> Bored, just messing around really[21:38:20] <dario1> Auroz: let me try to guess how it must be done (some time ago since the last Haiku instalation)[21:38:28] <Auroz> alright, thanks :)[21:39:14] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[21:40:25] <dario1> you are using virtualbox?[21:40:43] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[21:40:53] <Auroz> yep[21:42:07] <dario1> you tried to install the x86_64 version, really?[21:42:18] <Auroz> no, 32[21:42:23] <dario1> ok[21:43:40] <dario1> I'm downloading the image. In about 10 minutes will finish[21:44:07] <technocf> After messing around, got it booted with 68MB RAM :P[21:44:13] <technocf> Slow af though[21:45:33] *** stippi has quit IRC[21:45:55] *** stippi has joined #haiku[21:45:55] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[21:46:31] <tojoko> Auroz, there are serveral guides to install haiku in a virtual box. might one look out for a step by step instruction. It is however a lot easier than gettin' beos into a vm.[21:46:45] <Auroz> I already did that[21:46:55] *** lelldorin has joined #haiku[21:46:56] <Auroz> the guide didn't include a bootloader though[21:47:05] <technocf> Actually, 68 didn't work 100 did though.[21:47:05] <tojoko> what i would try if i were u, is, to add a cd and add an haiku iso image to that cd in oracle vm.[21:47:54] <tojoko> Auroz, normaly that ain't no problem at all, however, just try to boot from cd. don't know if it will work since i can't see it from here. But, how i said, there are several guides out there. don't know if they are all right.[21:48:04] <Auroz> booting from cd works[21:48:10] <Auroz> but I'd rather have it installed[21:48:24] <Auroz> wait, you mean I can boot the installed version from cd?[21:48:29] <tojoko> year, but if u boot the cd u get to the installer, right?[21:48:35] <Auroz> yeah[21:48:43] <tojoko> right![21:48:47] *** cucujoidea has quit IRC[21:48:50] <Auroz> but I want the installed version[21:49:01] <tojoko> maybe - u need to hit space while bootin', maybe not.[21:49:53] <tojoko> ok, than boot from cd, hit space, and chose the non cd option! How old are u? Sorry, but that where the basics ten years ago! :)[21:50:03] <Auroz> hey, that worked[21:50:11] <Auroz> sorry, I'm new to haiku[21:50:22] <Auroz> grub doesn't work the same way[21:50:49] <tojoko> nope, i'm talking about pcs! :)[21:51:55] <Auroz> ??[21:52:07] <technocf> How well do you think a new OS built from the ground up would take off these days?[21:52:32] <Auroz> I think with the existence of linux and bsd, not very well[21:53:26] <dario1> Auroz: you could boot in Haiku ?[21:53:30] <tojoko> u can't compare it to linux. if, u gotta compare it to android. it's all frontend. light. but no user system.[21:53:31] <Auroz> yeah[21:53:37] <technocf> If Google made an OS that was just a browser chrome books would boot almost instantly[21:53:41] <dario1> open a Terminal window[21:53:50] <dario1> and type 'bootman'[21:54:17] <Auroz> it already works[21:54:36] <tojoko> dario1, bootman doesn't work, afaik. u need to search it. no terminal.[21:54:56] <tojoko> Auroz, we can't tell from here if the changes u will make will be persistent.[21:55:05] *** amuck has quit IRC[21:55:41] *** amuck has joined #haiku[21:55:42] <dario1> I really need to refresh the installation process... :-)[21:56:35] <technocf> dario1: What do you mean?[21:57:09] <dario1> my memory is a little weak.[21:57:44] <dario1> I need to do a instalation, just to rememeber the preocess[21:57:47] <dario1> *process[21:58:11] <dario1> sorry, english is not my native language.[21:58:21] <technocf> Another question, will Haiku ever be out of single-user mode[21:58:48] <dario1> theorically, no. There are plans to add a multiple-user environment[21:58:57] <dario1> but is post release 1.[22:00:08] <dario1> Auroz: the bootman is in the following path:[22:00:12] <dario1> /boot/system/apps/BootManager[22:00:24] <dario1> try to install it[22:00:27] *** amuck has quit IRC[22:01:36] <Auroz> thanks, works perfectly now[22:03:37] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[22:04:54] <technocf> Some nostalgia here, a collection of 6 songs from "The Cotton Squares". http://www.filedropper.com/thecottonsquares[22:05:17] <dario1> good[22:05:24] <tojoko> hi dario1, aren't u from germany too?[22:05:34] <dario1> no. I'm from Argentina[22:05:43] <tojoko> ah, sorry.[22:06:18] <tojoko> Auroz, u don't need to go to boot/s... - there is a search function at the top of the start menue.[22:06:25] <Auroz> I already did it[22:06:35] <dario1> you can boot normally now?[22:06:40] <Auroz> yep[22:06:46] <dario1> excelent[22:07:36] <tojoko> ahhh - it works from the terminal dario1! but it's called BootManger - while it was called bootman in beos, iirc! :)[22:07:57] <dario1> yes![22:08:14] <tojoko> that's why it didn't work for me![22:08:15] <dario1> sorry, I get confused because that[22:09:00] <dario1> also, during the instalation, I found and option in the "Tools" menu. There are an option to write the boot sector.[22:09:38] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[22:09:47] <dario1> probably that was the "missing option" that causes problems to Auroz[22:10:15] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[22:10:20] <tojoko> dario1, well, i don't know. i just noticed that i got confused about it. Although i hadn't thought i used bootman that often.[22:12:21] <tojoko> Auroz, u got a plane usb stick?[22:12:35] <Auroz> I've got too many of them[22:12:51] <tojoko> year, me too, i mean, one empty?[22:15:33] *** Akuji has quit IRC[22:17:24] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[22:19:33] <tojoko> Auroz, u could try install haiku on a stick out of the vm. But haven't that tried myself yet.[22:19:43] <Auroz> why would I want to do that?[22:20:16] <tojoko> well, my netbook works like charm with haiku - any other os i tried just hangs.[22:20:38] <Auroz> mint works really fast on my laptop[22:21:13] <tojoko> thanks, but like i said, it's an netbook. atom proc and 1 gb ram.[22:21:18] <Auroz> ah, fair enough[22:23:05] <tojoko> u can boot from stick and feel like a hacker :)[22:23:41] <Auroz> ...or I could not :P[22:26:03] <tojoko> ^^[22:26:26] <tojoko> I'm goin' down for reboot now to test some debbuging and feel like ... ;)[22:27:20] *** tojoko has left #haiku[22:27:49] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[22:31:16] *** js has joined #haiku[22:31:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o js[22:31:47] *** jjido has joined #haiku[22:36:08] *** return0e has joined #haiku[22:37:09] *** tojoko has joined #haiku[22:41:30] *** DKnoto has joined #haiku[22:42:30] *** rennj has quit IRC[22:46:43] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[22:47:38] *** jjido_ has joined #haiku[22:55:00] *** jjido has quit IRC[23:03:39] *** Malmis has quit IRC[23:09:47] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:09:51] *** stippi has quit IRC[23:10:31] *** lelldorin has quit IRC[23:15:46] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[23:16:14] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[23:16:43] *** jjido_ has quit IRC[23:18:52] *** amuck has joined #haiku[23:19:28] *** gouchi has quit IRC[23:28:38] *** vidrep has quit IRC[23:29:48] *** Paianni has joined #haiku[23:32:52] *** technocf has quit IRC[23:36:21] *** Auroz has quit IRC[23:38:04] *** jjido has joined #haiku[23:40:46] *** Akuji has quit IRC[23:43:04] *** jjido has quit IRC[23:48:07] <tojoko> The best thing about haiku ist the bootmanager.[23:50:08] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[23:50:30] <bbjimmy> I use the zeta boot manager because it can chainload any partition on any hard disk. This is what haiku's bootman is supposed to do.[23:53:42] <tojoko> wow, how about sd cards? ;) sorry, i ain't missin' anything with the haiku boot manager.[23:54:26] <tojoko> well, except maybe sd cards.[23:54:39] <bbjimmy> sd cards, usb diske ... etc. The Zeta one is an extended[23:54:50] *** Akuji has quit IRC[23:55:30] <bbjimmy> Beos bootman. This is what haiku's bootman is shooting for in terms of ability.[23:55:41] <tojoko> not really, u must be kiddin' - it's about ten years old.[23:55:51] <bbjimmy> oopt, pressed the enter key.[23:56:54] <bbjimmy> on the haiku bootman, one can only boot partitions on the drive that bootman was installed on. On the zeta bootman one can boot partitions from any drive.[23:57:18] *** vdamewood has joined #haiku[23:57:51] <tojoko> well, that i find sometimes confusin'. Still it's usefull. plop does that as well. but I'm lookin for someone who can boot sd cards.[23:58:58] <bbjimmy> sorry, I use bootman, the BeOS/Zrta term not bootmanager, the Haiku term, but haiku's bootman was designet to work like the BeOS/Zeta one. I use the zeta one because BeOS no longer boots for me, and the haiku bootmanager cannot boot all the partitions I need.