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[00:00:55] <HAIKU-irker564> ce686ba95793: PPC: Split cpu-specific files into separate objects
[00:00:56] <HAIKU-irker564> 8554d8ba8ae6: PPC: rename arch_exceptions_44x.S to arch_exceptions_440.S
[00:00:57] <HAIKU-irker564> fdef69f48617: PPC: compile arch_exception*.S in cpu-specific objects
[00:00:58] <HAIKU-irker564> 5cf56f6478a3: ppc/paging: Convert to new-style CPU management
[00:00:59] <HAIKU-irker564> 7cfdb69e24e4: PPC: u-boot: define bootloader stack in linker script
[00:01:00] <HAIKU-irker564> 404b1d988f80: PPC: U-Boot: fix gUBootOS offset
[00:01:01] <HAIKU-irker564> 67c989ec243c: PPC: Use FUNCTION_END in arch_asm.S
[00:01:02] <HAIKU-irker564> a9e30a4a4965: PPC: arch_asm.S: style fix
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<Not-b880> [haikuporter] kallisti5 pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±3] https://git.io/vrgnp
[01:02:44] <Not-b880> [haikuporter] kallisti5 1fb4661 - haikuporter: Improve package command location detection
[01:02:44] <Not-b880> [haikuporter] kallisti5 5b4c9dd - README.md: Update to remove no-longer-needed package path flag
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[01:19:50] <vidrep> good evening
[01:22:06] <vidrep> Would anybody be interested in a (partial) copy of the premier issue of BeMagazine April/May 2000?
[01:22:41] <vidrep> The Editor-in-chief was Scot Hacker
[01:24:33] <vidrep> Unfortunately, at the time I made my copy, I didn't realize BeOS would fold. So, I only made a copy of parts of the magazine.
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[01:34:31] <Ptrus> vidrep I have the JABA source, will post on github later.
[01:34:46] <mmu_man> cool
[01:35:02] <Ptrus> Ptrus aka bbjimmy
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[01:36:47] <Ptrus> It will take some work to get it running properly on Haiku.
[01:38:04] <vidrep> Good news!
[01:38:33] <vidrep> Everything takes time on Haiku. We're used to it
[01:38:49] <Ptrus> indeed
[01:40:07] <vidrep> I just hope we can get it to work, because all the other burning apps don't
[01:41:37] <vidrep> Too bad it's so difficult now to track down some of the old commercial apps developed for BeOS
[01:42:25] <vidrep> We were lucky to get UltraDV
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[01:50:06] <Barrett> it will not be effortless even if we have the sources
[01:50:30] <vidrep> Nothing is effortless
[01:50:40] <vidrep> Hi Barrett
[01:51:15] <Barrett> I accepted to work on it because I know where I want to go
[01:51:20] <Barrett> but again it's fortune
[01:52:07] <vidrep> Right now, Haiku is lacking apps. Many of the ones we do have either aren't working, or are incomplete
[01:52:46] <vidrep> It will be interesting to see where your work takes you
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<Not-b880> [haikuports] Vidrep opened pull request #599: Sanity 0.6 recipe fails - https://git.io/vrg8F
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<Not-b880> [haikuports] fbrosson closed pull request #599: Sanity 0.6 recipe fails - https://git.io/vrg8F
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<Not-b880> [haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±1] https://git.io/vrg4e
[01:58:49] <Not-b880> [haikuports] fbrosson 56f903c - sanity: use latest git snapshot and patch to fix #599. (#599)
[02:00:07] <vidrep> It looks like I'm going to have an "official" build of Sanity 0.6 to test, instead of my home brewed version
[02:03:15] <vidrep> Maybe Philippe can be bribed into continuing it's development
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<Not-b880> [haikuports] fbrosson synchronize pull request #598: tar: bump to 1.29, adapt patch, add TEST(), switch to mirror. - https://git.io/vrW5p
[02:27:50] <Barrett> nice
[02:30:51] <vidrep> Sanity 0.6 is working with my Epson, but I'm seeing some issues with the scroll bar, and background text "bleeding through" the window (poor description)
[02:31:39] <vidrep> Best way to describe would be by posting a screenshot. However, git is not so good for that
[02:32:24] <vidrep> I wish we were using trac for haikuports issues
[02:37:24] <vidrep> The important thing is that the app works, even if it looks a little ugly :)
[02:38:36] <vidrep> Barrett, did you see the forum posts? Apparently some funds are in the offing for UltraDV
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[02:49:22] <Barrett> yeah, it's good :-)
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[03:15:33] <Barrett> while I'm not sure multi window is a bad thing per se
[03:15:46] <Barrett> there are just too much
[03:15:51] <Barrett> and a toolbar is missing
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[03:22:04] <vidrep> You're talking about UltraDV?
[03:22:52] <Barrett> yep
[03:24:12] <vidrep> Right now, I'd just like to see Haiku play a video file or mp3 audio without freeze frames or noise
[03:25:43] <vidrep> x86_gcc2 isn't too bad, with some exceptions. But 64 bit is totally bung at the moment
[03:27:01] <Barrett> vidrep, 64 bit isn't a target platform
[03:27:10] <Barrett> no need to repat that every day..
[03:27:45] <Barrett> was the package rebuilt recently?
[03:29:55] <vidrep> You're right
[03:30:25] <vidrep> Which package are you referring to?
[03:30:35] <Barrett> ffmpeg x86_64
[03:30:53] <Barrett> hmm..Haikudepot freeze when updates packages?
[03:31:07] <Barrett> refreshing depots I mean
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[03:36:09] <vidrep> The problem in 64 bit was introduced after 49927 (last working). The commit was meant to fix the 2x play in YouTube, but broke 64 bit
[03:36:23] <vidrep> 49929 I believe
[03:37:03] <vidrep> Anyway, it's a known problem, and you're right, I shouldn't nag about it so much
[03:40:48] <vidrep> I'm not seeing the freeze when refreshing depots
[03:41:02] <vidrep> This is on x86_gcc2
[03:41:18] <vidrep> hrev50325
[03:47:31] <cc^mint> Will Haiku rule?
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[06:37:07] <HAIKU-irker564> a59423af8d58: Update translations from Pootle
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[11:00:00] <miqlas-H> H!
[11:00:03] <miqlas-H> Hi!
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[11:28:16] <miqlas-H> Hi Bega, how doing for your dogs?
[11:34:44] <Begasus> hi miqlas-H
[11:34:53] <Begasus> pretty fine thnx :)
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[11:38:53] <miqlas-H> we got nice 19-20 degree celsius in germany, it is almost Frühlingswetter
[11:39:36] <Begasus> about the same here in Belgium ;) (expected to go up to about 24 according to the prediction) :)
[11:39:38] <miqlas-H> Winter will be over in the following days, i think.
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[11:40:47] <miqlas-H> Bega, i just survived the first week, without any boss in the office (they had vacation), so i made almost everything.
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[11:41:02] <miqlas-H> It is okay, but i got a workmate, who is a real rain-man.
[11:41:33] <Begasus> yeah it's pretty ok for me ;)
[11:41:59] <Begasus> (the weather) ;)
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[11:42:39] <Begasus> is there a way to unpack sources_2 into sources?
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[11:42:43] <miqlas-H> I wanted to be a teacher as i was a child, so i had now a lot of opportunity to use my skills, and give info to my coworkers. It is a new thing for me, however i always made training-materials and so on, but i was never responsible for work of others.
[11:42:48] <Begasus> aside from cp ...
[11:43:09] <miqlas-H> Begasus: maybe you can cp everything?
[11:43:24] <Begasus> that's no problem cp things over
[11:43:35] <miqlas-H> then i'm not sure.
[11:43:50] <Begasus> but there is an old patch file that needs to be covered in the sources_2 tree
[11:44:29] <miqlas-H> no idea, sorry, Bega.
[11:44:38] <Begasus> or a way to use the patch file to patch the sources_2 folder?
[11:44:50] <Begasus> np, just throwing it in the group miqlas-H ;)
[11:45:34] <miqlas-H> patch_SOURCES_2? Just joking, btw greeting from.... were is humdinger?
[11:47:00] <Begasus> hehe
[11:49:37] <miqlas-H> so greetings from pub.
[11:50:23] <miqlas-H> Begasus, and other users, what is your favorint feature in Haiku? (Maybe i can hear something new)
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[12:33:28] <miqlas-H> Guys, i need to go, bye for all
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[13:59:11] <Begasus> classic one on the way ;) grabbing alex4beos_x86-4-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg and moving it to /boot/home/haikuports/packages/alex4beos_x86-4-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg
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[14:20:51] <Begasus> Unlocking BLocker with sem 1746667 from wrong thread 28195, current holder -1 (see issue #6400).
[14:21:31] <Begasus> any idea where this comes from? (when closing Alex4BeOS it doesn't fully close down)
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<Not-b880> [haikuporter] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/vrgQy
[15:02:46] <Not-b880> [haikuporter] kallisti5 c8a0540 - haikuporter: Improve mimeset command location detection
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[16:24:11] <bbjimmy> lots of work to do.
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[16:49:58] <vidrep> Hey bbjimmy, thanks again
[16:52:22] <bbjimmy> yab has changed alot from the version used to program it, and it doesn't use the Haiku local stuff.
[16:53:08] <bbjimmy> fun fun!
[16:53:21] <vidrep> At least we have the source to make the changes, even if it takes a while
[16:53:58] <bbjimmy> not today, I have to test Taekwondo students for promotion.
[16:54:21] <vidrep> I wasn't expecting today LOL
[16:54:26] <vidrep> Whenever
[16:55:01] <bbjimmy> I would loke to get to work on it, but I have a busy schedual this time of year.
[16:55:10] <bbjimmy> *like
[16:55:48] <vidrep> Isn't that the same story for everybody?
[16:56:13] <bbjimmy> Just me! ;-)
[16:56:48] <vidrep> I'm happy we were able to obtain the source files. Too many good app were lost over time
[16:57:15] <vidrep> Losing BeBits and Haikuware was a real bummer
[16:57:24] <bbjimmy> Too true.
[16:59:51] <bbjimmy> of course there is also
[16:59:51] <bbjimmy>
[17:05:21] <vidrep> I have a half-dozen CD's and a couple of DVD's of BeOS apps I collected over the years.
[17:06:01] <vidrep> Unfortunately, at the time, I did not appreciate the value of having the source files for those apps
[17:06:47] <mmu_man> eh
[17:07:33] <vidrep> In Canada it's, eh? with a question mark.
[17:09:02] <vidrep> I'm fairly sure that I don't have anything on any of those disks that isn't already in one of those repositories
[17:10:34] <vidrep> What is needed is a master list of (known) BeOS apps.
[17:12:29] <vidrep> That sounds like a project unto itself...
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[17:15:01] <Begasus> the things I could stumble when checking some old hd's ... :D
[17:15:03] <bbjimmy> I like the mouse using the man for a pointing device.
[17:15:41] <Begasus> k .. on to checking out a new version for scummvm ...
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[17:27:06] <vidrep> Mouse with the Be logo on his shirt :)
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[17:38:29] <bbjimmy> I gues it should have a Haiku leaf these days.
[17:38:53] <bbjimmy> Or not.
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[17:53:24] <vidrep> Funny, Vision unexpectedly dropped the connection
[17:53:44] <vidrep> This is only the second time I've had that happen
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[18:21:53] <chakuari> hi
[18:22:43] <chakuari> i tried haiku a few days ago
[18:22:59] <chakuari> on a vm
[18:23:05] <chakuari> not a night build
[18:23:13] <bbjimmy> happens to me all the time, it never notifies me that the com link is down. have to close freenode and re-open it
[18:23:48] <chakuari> it seems really fast, but webpositive has some problems and sometimes hangs, making the system unusable
[18:23:51] <bbjimmy> I'm on a sattelite connection I'm sure that has something to do with it.
[18:24:11] <chakuari> anyway i liked what i saw.
[18:24:23] <chakuari> you guys are making a great job
[18:24:57] <chakuari> i'm looking for another os alternative to windoze but also to linux, which guarantees a stable system
[18:25:04] <chakuari> and haiku is one of the options
[18:25:05] <bbjimmy> chakuari try QupZilla browser.
[18:25:46] <chakuari> anyway, i'm not able to install other apps
[18:25:56] <chakuari> could smeone explain me?
[18:26:05] <bbjimmy> need a nightly build for it to run. get it from the haikudepot app.
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[18:26:48] <vidrep> The best thing to do is open a trac account and report Webpositive bugs
[18:26:58] <chakuari> where is haikudepot?
[18:27:15] <bbjimmy> HaikuDepot is included in the nightly images. apps are installed from there.
[18:27:23] <vidrep> Applications->HaikuDepot
[18:27:23] <chakuari> oh, only in a nightly image.
[18:27:26] <chakuari> i see
[18:27:37] <chakuari> so i definitely have to try one of those
[18:27:46] <bbjimmy> the r1a4 image is too old.
[18:27:50] <vidrep> You're using Alpha 4?
[18:28:22] <chakuari> yes
[18:28:36] <bbjimmy> Of corse he is, that is the latest release!
[18:28:41] <chakuari> now i'm downloading the nightly build
[18:28:43] <chakuari> anyboot version
[18:28:47] <bbjimmy> :)
[18:28:55] <chakuari> i'll try with virtualbox
[18:29:32] <chakuari> i'd like to see a definite, stable release
[18:29:46] <chakuari> but i'm afraid this will be a very long journey
[18:31:25] <chakuari> you all want to see one, so i won't go on with this matter :)
[18:31:26] <vidrep> I boot into Alpha 4 quite often, so I can appreciate the progress that has been made
[18:31:49] <chakuari> apart from one question:
[18:32:07] <chakuari> do you think that a stable release quit give linux a little kick in the butt?
[18:32:36] <chakuari> i like linux, but it's becoming too bloat and fat
[18:32:48] <chakuari> and it's very fragmented
[18:33:18] <chakuari> haiku seems to be more compact and less disperse
[18:33:45] <Begasus> not yet ready to kick linux out ;)
[18:34:19] <chakuari> ok, downloaded and decompressed
[18:34:26] <chakuari> now i have a .image file
[18:34:38] <chakuari> how do i open it with virtualbox?
[18:34:52] <vidrep> Haiku is becoming better all the time, but it's not nearly ready enough to challenge the big 4 - Windows, Mac, Linux, BSD
[18:35:53] <vidrep> I think when Haiku beta comes out, it will be a solid #5
[18:37:42] <chakuari> gotta go, sorry
[18:37:44] <chakuari> bye!
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[18:41:22] <Begas_> so ... compiling scummvm, watching a DVD and making a screenshot didn't seem like a good idea ;)
[18:43:09] <vidrep> I just read about scumvm in the depot, wasn't sure what it was
[18:43:22] <vidrep> Sounds interesting
[18:43:55] <vidrep> I've never been much of a game player, so that's probably why
[18:46:57] <Begas_> not playing myself a lot either, but keeping track and trying to get it work with each new version is always nice :)
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[18:49:14] <vidrep> Begas, what you're doing is a good service
[18:50:49] <vidrep> Myself, I don't have the know how to fix what's broken. All I can do is report it.
[18:54:56] <vidrep> Begasus, whare are you located?
[19:01:48] <Begasus> Belgium vidrep
[19:02:14] <Begasus> ps, reporting is good :)
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[19:02:40] <Begasus> don't have the knowledge also to fix c++ stuff ;)
[19:05:08] <vidrep> I wish I would have paid more attention in computer courses. But at the time it didn't interest me in the least.
[19:06:36] <vidrep> I just did enough to pass. My main focus was on electronic circuits and hardware
[19:07:59] <vidrep> Knowing what I know now, it should have been the other way around. Hindsight is always 20/20
[19:08:07] <Begasus> never had any programming lessons (aside from some basic cobol) but in the years learned some tricks to achieve what I wanted to (and with the help of the community) :)
[19:09:22] <Begasus> ps vidrep ... added to the location in the forum :)
[19:10:36] <Begasus> didn't use my login for a long while on haiku-os.org, nice to see it's still working :)
[19:11:36] <vidrep> Once your name is in a computer, it's for life
[19:11:49] <Begasus> yep, google remembers me ;)
[19:12:57] <Begasus> ps, login isn't always for life ;) (sometimes ones switches over to a new server ... )
[19:14:19] <vidrep> It will be interesting to see the Haiku user world map referred to in that link
[19:14:58] <vidrep> If it's ever completed, Haiku should host it on its site
[19:15:38] <Begasus> I think the Haiku community is still spread around the world, main dev is still in EU I think
[19:16:10] <vidrep> I only know of 2 users in Canada, besides myself
[19:16:28] <vidrep> There are several in Argentina
[19:17:04] <vidrep> You're right, the main concentration are in the EU countries
[19:17:53] <Begasus> hope to be able to go to BG this year, it's been a while
[19:20:08] <vidrep> I think it would be cool to meet the Haiku devs face to face
[19:20:44] <vidrep> Unfortunately, there is no such possibility in Canada or even the USA
[19:23:48] <Begasus> wouldn't know (a bit far for me) ;)
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[19:24:43] <Begasus> 'lo Lelldorin1 :)
[19:24:58] <Lelldorin1> hi Begasus
[19:25:01] <Lelldorin1> hello all
[19:25:15] <Begasus> long time no see, how's it going?
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[19:25:38] <Lelldorin1> me iam fine, many time spend to make my genealogie work
[19:26:02] <Begasus> ok, still working on that one then
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[19:26:42] <Lelldorin1> and you i see you long time oo
[19:26:43] <Lelldorin1> too
[19:26:50] <vidrep> Lelldorin1, are you still working on BeSlySAT?
[19:27:12] <Lelldorin1> vidrep: no, because i does not any data next months
[19:27:19] <Begasus> been around off and on Lelldorin1 ... trying to mix time between Haiku and the dogs ;)
[19:27:29] <Lelldorin1> and i does not get new feature request
[19:27:38] <vidrep> Besides myself, how many people submitted a hardware report?
[19:28:10] <Begasus> last one I think was in the time when ZETA was still around (for me) ;)
[19:28:36] <Lelldorin1> open BeSlySAT and see the entries
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[19:29:14] <Lelldorin1> i think it was 9 submitter
[19:29:40] <vidrep> ValeT started work on a Haiku hardware database, but it seems to have stalled out
[19:30:11] <vidrep> Maybe I'll download BeslySAT again
[19:30:36] <Lelldorin1> the one from the repo does not work correctly because the changes who break yab in haiku
[19:31:22] <Lelldorin1> here a download link to the rebuild version (inofficial)
[19:31:22] <vidrep> The problem we had last time I used it was the reporting mechanism
[19:31:38] <vidrep> I had to send my report by email to you directly
[19:31:48] <Lelldorin1> yes so it is
[19:32:14] <Lelldorin1> because i will know that data i add and i need to mae the update zip file
[19:33:40] <vidrep> Its downloaded. Thanks!
[19:34:17] <vidrep> I'll try it out again, and provide feedback
[19:34:42] <vidrep> Can you send a private message with your email?
[19:34:47] <Begasus> building scummvm atm .. so not pushing things ;)
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[19:36:26] <Lelldorin1> begasus: please build again freeciv :-)
[19:37:30] <Begasus> been looking into it Lelldorin1 .. no luck yet
[19:37:46] <Lelldorin1> me too
[19:38:04] <Begasus> also for tuxmath/tuxtype .. still stuck with the common lib they need :/
[19:38:30] <Lelldorin1> i does not get recompiled crimson fields :-(
[19:38:36] <Lelldorin1> sience pm no luck
[19:38:57] <Begasus> haven't checked CF yet
[19:46:43] <Begasus> k ... scummvm still on par :)
[19:47:24] <Lelldorin1> Begasus: pleae plasea documentation about your work on the original source to get them running on haiku!!! send it to me and i will add it into my project BuildLOG
[19:49:19] <Begasus> Lelldorin1 .. the recipe for previous version is already in haikuports, it still works out of the box (no patching for scummvm - that was a while ago)
[19:51:04] <Begasus> is there some command like 'tree' for Haiku?
[19:54:19] <Begasus> nm ... found it :)
[19:55:18] <vidrep> Lelldorin1, wow, I really like the new layout of BeSlySAT
[19:55:48] <vidrep> Big improvement since the last time I used it
[19:57:16] <Begasus> just send you my tree for the stuff I have been working on lately Lelldorin1 ;)
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[19:58:14] <Begasus> as you see ... still some things that need some work
[19:58:49] <Lelldorin1> vidrep: thanks, many work into a project with low interest by the users.... every tiem the same in haiku
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[20:00:36] <vidrep> I have a couple of suggestions for the app. After I use it a bit more, I'll send you a email.
[20:01:21] <vidrep> Obviously you have put a lot of work into this app since the last time I used it
[20:03:30] <Begasus> ps .. tree is working fine
[20:03:39] <Lelldorin1> how does it work?
[20:04:02] <Lelldorin1> vidrep: do it :-)
[20:04:16] <Begasus> just run it from Terminal where you want to get the tree for ;)
[20:04:54] <Begasus> it's like dir/ls but sums up what's underneath it
[20:05:02] <Lelldorin1> args, my haiku is to old, there is no command tree
[20:05:13] <Begasus> hp -S tree ;)
[20:05:24] <Lelldorin1> Begasus: can you try to ort bochs for haik
[20:05:24] <Begasus> (it's in haikuports)
[20:05:25] <Lelldorin1> u
[20:05:39] <Begasus> bochs?
[20:06:35] <Begasus> there is already a recipe for bochs in haikuports
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[20:07:32] <Lelldorin1> i will run zeta ans beos in haiku to use sme times my original apps
[20:08:41] <Begasus> I still have a laptop aside that still boots ZETA (but haven't booted it in ages) ;)
[20:09:26] <Begasus> remember I once booted win98 in bochs ... long! time ago :)
[20:09:30] <Lelldorin1> my hardware is to old, very old but to young for zeta and beos ;-)
[20:10:09] <Begasus> lol, don't have any fancy hardware here also ;)
[20:11:53] <Begasus> *haven't checked if the original R5 would boot/install on this laptop*
[20:13:41] <Lelldorin1> i hope to come to begeister 30 this year. need to check babysitter
[20:14:51] <Begasus> same here .. just need to check a doggy sitter then ;)
[20:15:24] <Lelldorin1> would be fine see you there
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[20:53:03] <lorglas> hello
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[20:59:46] <miqlas-H> Hi Guys!
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[21:00:55] <Begasus> 'lo
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[21:04:33] <lorglas> how can I build an http connection in C / C ++ under Haiku
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[21:26:52] <lorglas> back
[21:28:33] <miqlas-H> lorglas: you need to enable the integrated HTTP console with the following in terminal: pkgman update haiku_top_secret && sysctl install linux_kernel && sysctl update
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[22:41:14] <jessicah> might be a feature of newer autotools?
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[22:48:51] <chakuari> hi again
[22:49:05] <chakuari> tried downloading a nightly build
[22:49:19] <chakuari> how can I use it with virtualbox to try it?
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[23:01:48] <chakuari> i can't open the file
[23:02:03] <chakuari> maybe should try iso instead of anyboot?
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[23:03:11] <jjido> no anyboot is fine, but you need to copy it to a partition. ISO may be easier to use
[23:13:47] <chakuari> ok, downloaded
[23:14:08] <chakuari> but i can't add apps with haikudepot
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[23:38:29] <jjido> sure the iso is read-only. You need to add a disk to your VM and use the iso to install to it
[23:38:46] <chakuari> done
[23:39:01] <chakuari> it seems that i need to log in with haikudepot
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