May 18, 2016 
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May 18, 2016 [00:03:22] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[00:03:34] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[00:04:25] *** tojoko has quit IRC[00:05:25] *** jjido has quit IRC[00:06:11] *** Guest30501 has quit IRC[00:06:11] *** Guest30501 has joined #haiku[00:06:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Guest30501[00:07:27] *** Guest30501 has quit IRC[00:07:53] *** Barrett_ has joined #haiku[00:08:39] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[00:08:40] *** Barrett_ has quit IRC[00:09:01] *** Barrett_ has joined #haiku[00:09:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett_[00:24:39] *** Barrett_ has quit IRC[00:25:08] *** Barrett_ has joined #haiku[00:25:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett_[00:25:21] *** Barrett_ changes topic to "An open-source operating system that specifically targets personal computing. | https://haiku-os.org | Stable: https://haiku-os.org/get-haiku | Nightlies: https://download.haiku-os.org | Bugtracker: https://dev.haiku-os.org | SCM: https://cgit.haiku-os.org/ | Channel logs: http://echelog.com/?haiku"[00:25:21] *** ChanServ changes topic to "[WEBSITE DOWN, APOLOGIES] An open-source operating system that specifically targets personal computing. | https://haiku-os.org | Stable: https://haiku-os.org/get-haiku | Nightlies: https://download.haiku-os.org | Bugtracker: https://dev.haiku-os.org | SCM: https://cgit.haiku-os.org/ | Channel logs: http://echelog.com/?haiku"[00:25:52] *** Konny has joined #haiku[00:25:54] <vidrep> Hi Barrett[00:26:27] *** Barrett_ changes topic to "An open-source operating system that specifically targets personal computing. | https://haiku-os.org | Stable: https://haiku-os.org/get-haiku | Nightlies: https://download.haiku-os.org | Bugtracker: https://dev.haiku-os.org | SCM: https://cgit.haiku-os.org/ | Channel logs: http://echelog.com/?haiku"[00:26:27] *** ChanServ changes topic to "[WEBSITE DOWN, APOLOGIES] An open-source operating system that specifically targets personal computing. | https://haiku-os.org | Stable: https://haiku-os.org/get-haiku | Nightlies: https://download.haiku-os.org | Bugtracker: https://dev.haiku-os.org | SCM: https://cgit.haiku-os.org/ | Channel logs: http://echelog.com/?haiku"[00:27:11] <Barrett_> hi vidrep[00:28:14] *** Barrett_ sets mode: -o Barrett_[00:28:29] <Barrett_> at this point ...[00:28:30] *** Megaf has quit IRC[00:28:54] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[00:33:59] *** ChanServ changes topic to "An open-source operating system that specifically targets personal computing. | https://haiku-os.org | Stable: https://haiku-os.org/get-haiku | Nightlies: https://download.haiku-os.org | Bugtracker: https://dev.haiku-os.org | SCM: https://cgit.haiku-os.org/ | Channel logs: http://echelog.com/?haiku"[00:35:21] *** vdamewood has joined #haiku[00:36:55] *** stippi has quit IRC[00:39:48] *** Konny has quit IRC[00:48:29] *** miqlas has quit IRC[00:49:30] *** vidrep has quit IRC[00:57:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett_[01:00:55] *** Barrett_ changes topic to "An open-source operating system that specifically targets personal computing. | https://haiku-os.org | Stable: https://haiku-os.org/get-haiku | Nightlies: https://download.haiku-os.org | Bugtracker: https://dev.haiku-os.org | SCM: https://cgit.haiku-os.org/ | Channel logs: http://echelog.com/?haiku"[01:02:34] *** Barrett_ is now known as Barrett[01:02:41] *** DCatt has joined #haiku[01:03:21] <DCatt> Hello, Haikuians :-)[01:03:47] <Barrett> hi DCatt[01:06:33] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[01:07:51] *** Megaf has quit IRC[01:09:20] *** BrunoSpr has quit IRC[01:09:24] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:14:59] <cc^mint> Heiko![01:20:32] *** stippi has joined #haiku[01:20:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[01:24:16] *** Dallas has joined #haiku[01:25:20] *** vidrep has joined #haiku[01:25:23] *** stippi has quit IRC[01:27:04] <Barrett> hey cc^mint[01:27:59] <trinitr0n> TFW i get another bebox and http://pulkomandy.tk/~beosarchive/ is still dead. :'([01:28:22] <trinitr0n> and the bebits guy is a scumbag and now I'll never have anything to run[01:28:26] * trinitr0n cries in the corner[01:28:49] <Barrett> trinitr0n, there are other mirrors for old stuff[01:29:01] <trinitr0n> that was one of the best[01:29:39] <trinitr0n> if you know of others please ping me[01:29:40] <Paradoxon> args... i need some help again i have a variable define in a class font_family family;[01:29:59] <trinitr0n> i found a package on archive.org but it was disappointing[01:30:08] <Paradoxon> but when i trie to assign stuff to it... FontItem::FontItem(font_family myFamily): BListItem() { family = myFamily;[01:30:16] <Barrett> http://ftp.ntua.gr/mirror/BeOS/[01:30:34] <Paradoxon> then the compiler says ui/Panels/FontView.cpp:66: incompatible types in assignment of `char *' to `char[64]'[01:30:48] <Paradoxon> any hints[01:31:00] <Barrett> ah and trinitr0n just get BeShare[01:31:08] <jessicah> Paradoxon: do a memcpy[01:31:15] <Paradoxon> why do i need to?[01:31:17] <Barrett> you will get almost anything there[01:31:20] <Paradoxon> its from the same type[01:31:31] <trinitr0n> there's barely any real software there (re: ntua.gr, which I had seen)[01:31:33] <trinitr0n> BeShare?[01:31:34] <Paradoxon> thats what i dont get[01:31:45] <trinitr0n> cool[01:31:52] <Barrett> trinitr0n, it's a BeOS p2p client[01:32:06] <Barrett> a lot of stuff in pulkomandy archive was taken from there probably[01:32:12] <trinitr0n> Too bad I'll never get it to run on PPC ;) but sounds like time to spin up a haiku box[01:32:13] <Barrett> (and the inverse)[01:32:53] <Barrett> trinitr0n, if you get the zip there's a ppc binary I remember that for sure[01:33:03] <Barrett> if you don't get the zip I can provide one[01:33:21] <trinitr0n> not seein it on the github[01:33:28] <trinitr0n> please send me one, that'd be great[01:33:39] <Paradoxon> and why cant i assign a char[64] to a char* that makes no sense :( even with typeconversion...[01:33:55] <trinitr0n> I wonder how many of the current packages I can backport to PPC R5 :)[01:34:00] <trinitr0n> that might be a fun project[01:34:05] <Paradoxon> doing aFontItem::FontItem(font_family myFamily): BListItem() { family = (font_family)myFamily;[01:34:08] <trinitr0n> for all... like... 4 bebox users[01:34:25] <Barrett> let me mount the partition[01:34:39] <trinitr0n> thanks!'[01:38:54] <Barrett> http://www.raasu.org/tools/beos/BeShare2.28.zip[01:39:12] <Barrett> no need to mount the partition :-)[01:39:56] <trinitr0n> :D[01:40:25] <trinitr0n> boutta box the sh*t outta these Bes[01:41:05] <trinitr0n> This is the third bebox that has fallen into my hands this year... somehow..[01:41:34] <Barrett> I've never seen one phisically[01:42:06] <trinitr0n> they're... bizarre[01:43:47] <Barrett> that explains why they were a commercial failure lol[01:45:26] <trinitr0n> a lot of things fo[01:45:28] <trinitr0n> *do[01:45:34] <DCatt> I have a BeBox rev6 (dual 66), I haven't fired it up in forever[01:45:59] <trinitr0n> no L2 CPU cache is another good one[01:46:27] <trinitr0n> do with two cpus what one with cache can do![01:48:41] <DCatt> I would love to build something like a BeBox with geek-ish ports and lights[01:49:03] <Barrett> sincerely, my imagination say to me that if JLG could return into the past would have used linux and x86[01:49:26] <Barrett> maybe changing nothing, but those things together could have made a very big difference[01:50:12] <Barrett> DCatt, there's an arduino project in the net[01:50:22] <Barrett> I should build it someday[01:52:00] <DCatt> I'd like to do soemthing with a Raspberry Pi or whatever and make a HaikuBox paying homage to the BeBox[01:52:26] <DCatt> I'm keeping my my eyes on the ARM port with hopes[01:52:37] <Barrett> expensive for a few leds blinking[01:52:43] <DCatt> he he[01:53:20] <Barrett> cosidering a pro mini cost 5$[01:53:59] <DCatt> on the linux coment, though I'm a fan, I'm certainly glad Be didn't mess with Linux and the x86 thing is debatable[01:54:17] <DCatt> BeOS was certainly more usable than any Linux distro back in those days[01:54:27] <DCatt> at least form my experience[01:54:33] <DCatt> *from[01:55:06] <DCatt> for x86, if Apple wouldn't have consumed Power Computing, maybe BeOS would have had a fighting chance[01:56:21] <Barrett> DCatt, I meant that they would have implemented BeOS as is over a linux kernel[01:56:29] <DCatt> on x86, it would fallen victim to the Windows monopoly, which was the end result in the end[01:56:37] <DCatt> https://birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader/[01:57:14] <Barrett> well, PPC wasn't competitive[01:57:28] <Barrett> in 2 years intel gone ahead of it[01:58:07] <DCatt> that's to the fault of Motorola and IBM putting no focus in the desktop market after Apple killed the Mac clone market[01:58:10] <Barrett> Apple was suffering of that, the reprise began when they switched to intel[01:59:01] <DCatt> PPC's biggest issue was around the system bus and lack of performance push there[01:59:57] <DCatt> but would have been great to see BeOS as a viable alternative to Windows on x86[02:00:04] <DCatt> if given the fair chance[02:01:41] <DCatt> I will say I am looking forward to Haiku reaching R1[02:01:58] <DCatt> and much thanks to the Haiku core developers working hard to get it there[02:02:15] <DCatt> as wel as folks supporting that effort[02:02:24] <DCatt> *well[02:05:26] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[02:17:07] *** vdamewood has quit IRC[02:20:44] <Paradoxon> how do i find a string in a other string with cpp...[02:21:05] <Paradoxon> sorry my internet is to slow to google.. (gooogle last something around 1 min to load)[02:21:56] *** kushalsingh007 has joined #haiku[02:22:03] <Barrett> Paradoxon, strstr() is a C function[02:22:14] <Paradoxon> thanks[02:22:18] <Paradoxon> thats waht i wanted :)[02:22:45] <Paradoxon> is it case sensitive?[02:22:54] <Paradoxon> i need one without[02:25:06] <Barrett> Paradoxon, strcasestr try with it[02:25:19] <Barrett> but not sure we have it[02:25:52] <Paradoxon> we have :-D[02:25:54] <Paradoxon> (y)[02:26:24] <Paradoxon> but why does it return a char?[02:27:17] <Barrett> it returns a pointer to where the matched string is if successful[02:27:24] <Paradoxon> thanks[02:27:42] * Paradoxon hates internet over teathering[02:27:44] <Paradoxon> :_D[02:28:02] <Barrett> mach = strstr(string, substring)[02:28:03] <Paradoxon> and a NULL if not or?[02:28:25] <Barrett> yeah[02:37:43] *** vidrep has quit IRC[02:37:44] <DCatt> anyone working on any interesting projects for Haiku?[02:42:55] *** vdamewood has joined #haiku[03:01:37] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[03:02:19] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[03:07:12] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[03:20:57] <DCatt> Everyone have a good day/night :-)[03:21:57] *** DCatt has quit IRC[03:22:52] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[03:27:21] *** stippi has joined #haiku[03:27:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[03:32:12] *** stippi has quit IRC[03:38:03] *** Blub\w has quit IRC[03:39:31] *** kushalsingh007 has quit IRC[03:49:49] <cc^mint> cu[03:50:20] *** cc^mint has quit IRC[04:04:16] *** vdamewood has quit IRC[04:05:08] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[04:06:46] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[04:08:07] *** amuck_ has joined #haiku[04:09:03] *** dorje has joined #haiku[04:09:40] <dorje> Would someone kindly explain to me a little about how an app_server communicates with applications?[04:11:14] <Barrett> dorje, all Haiku apps communicate thanks to the application_kit message passing[04:11:28] <Barrett> so an app register to the server by using message passing[04:11:31] <dorje> message_received ?[04:11:51] <Barrett> the fast communication, such as bitmap transfers happens using a special kind of memory called areas[04:11:52] *** amuck has quit IRC[04:12:00] <dorje> oh nice[04:12:05] <dorje> is that like shared memory?[04:12:08] <Barrett> areas is basically shared memory[04:12:18] <dorje> i need to learn about that[04:12:23] <dorje> any docs i could read?[04:12:33] <Barrett> yes MessageReceived is the BLooper/BHandler way to handle message[04:12:54] <dorje> i love it[04:13:23] <Barrett> that communication is realized on low level using ports that are another functionality provided by the kernel kit[04:13:27] <Barrett> dorje, I think you can find infos in the past blogposts, mailing lists[04:13:32] <Barrett> and the BeBook[04:13:48] <dorje> i guess i just needed to know what to look for[04:13:58] <dorje> thanks[04:14:28] <Barrett> https://www.haiku-os.org/tags/app_server_0?page=1[04:15:03] <Barrett> http://www.haiku-os.it/files/bg_app_server.pdf[04:16:12] *** amuck_ has quit IRC[04:16:41] *** amuck has joined #haiku[04:18:45] <dorje> Barrett, you said communication is realized on a low level using ports. Do I just have send/recv to the server?[04:19:30] <Barrett> Barrett, if you are working on app_server level you don't have to care about ports[04:19:37] <Barrett> it's the messaging system build on top of[04:19:51] <Barrett> but indeed knowing how they works is helpful to debug[04:20:26] <Barrett> in fact when a message is received it's done by a port_read from the control thread[04:20:42] <dorje> what I am working on does use messages[04:20:50] <dorje> BMessages to be exact ;-)[04:21:14] <Barrett> yeah any native app do it[04:21:47] <dorje> but i need to create my own _server, and i'll need a way to communicate with a running app[04:21:50] <Barrett> oh I called myself, time to sleep really[04:22:19] <Barrett> dorje, use the BRoster and the app signature to obtain a valid BMessenger of the server[04:22:28] <dorje> nice![04:22:28] <Barrett> then contact the server using it[04:22:48] *** Blub\w has joined #haiku[04:22:52] <Barrett> every time you need to message with a team you can do so with a BMessenger[04:23:03] <Barrett> dorje, what are you doing, I'm curious :-)[04:23:19] <dorje> oh jeez[04:23:23] <dorje> killer app maybe[04:23:43] <Barrett> ah and there's a commandline utility called hey that allow to send messages to teams without dealing with c++[04:23:52] <dorje> yeah i know about 'hey'[04:24:13] <Barrett> is it super top secret I guess then[04:24:20] <dorje> well no, it's just tough[04:24:27] <dorje> i'll tell you this: it's called Mammoth/Moth[04:26:28] <dorje> Moth: real time websocket based messaging client. Mammoth: WYSIWYG DOM editor to create hosted Haiku Applications[04:26:57] <dorje> but yeah, it is top secret[04:27:01] <Barrett> nice[04:27:02] <dorje> commercial[04:27:23] <Barrett> someone has begin to work on a network based BMessage, maybe you don't know[04:27:25] <dorje> i'd really appreciate a UIWebView or the like[04:28:00] <dorje> no i didn't know that[04:28:03] <Barrett> http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku-commits/haiku-hrev50276-srckitsnetworklibnetapi[04:28:22] <Barrett> look at DeadYak's recent commits this is the latest[04:28:50] <Barrett> AFAIK it's not still BLooper compatible, but that might have changed[04:29:05] <dorje> does it use HTTP?[04:29:34] <Barrett> it's built on tcp/ip level I guess[04:30:13] <dorje> I am planning to build a hosted application server called mammoth_server, which uses a JSON version of BArchiveable[04:30:39] <dorje> and it's all head-less, so I just use Deliver instead of Draw[04:30:46] <Barrett> it think the services_kit have also some JSON facility[04:31:01] <dorje> oh cool[04:31:45] <dorje> add-ons are pretty important, because I want to develop an HTML DOM object library, but there are needs that go beyond that[04:31:54] <dorje> i'm not quite sure how add-ons work[04:32:06] <Barrett> headers/private/shared/Json.h[04:32:29] <Barrett> this is private API anyway[04:36:56] <dorje> like, if i wanted to create a contextual menu with actions to perform when following a link for example, how would i access the list of installed add-ons?[04:37:11] <dorje> ... and would the add-ons be able to add to contextual menus?[04:37:26] <dorje> or do I have to configure that based on a config file?[04:41:12] <Barrett> dorje, are you talking about Tracker?[04:41:27] <Barrett> also we have an app_server module that allow for remote desktop[04:41:44] <Barrett> most of what you need should be there[04:42:30] <Barrett> I'm very interested in your work, a few years ago I've begin with an idea to provide multiple multimedia recording points with using one machine and a series of routers[04:42:55] <Barrett> so if you succeed, I might use your server[04:43:33] <Barrett> I should implement some media_kit parts, but will not be a problem once I finish with streaming server support :-)[04:44:18] *** PaSaSaP has quit IRC[04:45:18] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[04:47:14] <dorje> hell yeah[04:48:00] <Barrett> do you want to add a contextual menu in tracker a-la windows?[04:48:08] <dorje> well Tracker add-ons are one thing, but can't I include like shared libraries that expose views and such in my application? there is also a need for mammoth_server to use the add-ons[04:48:40] <dorje> not Tracker per-se, but an expanse of contextual menus based upon shared libraries[04:48:55] <dorje> or add-ons as i have called them[04:48:58] <Barrett> in your own apps?[04:49:00] <dorje> yes[04:49:07] <dorje> in the WYSIWYG editor[04:49:26] <Barrett> yeah, you can provide a make_menu() c function in your shared library[04:49:48] <Barrett> and load it in your own app[04:49:52] <dorje> cool[04:50:01] <Barrett> that's the usual way addons work[04:50:18] <Barrett> look at make_nth_translator() for an example of our Translator add-ons[04:50:36] <dorje> i need to use translations too[04:51:23] <dorje> at this point I am spec'ing the whole thing out, using what I know of the Haiku API ...so I appreciate your help[04:51:27] <Barrett> I have really to go now, sorry[04:51:30] <dorje> np[04:51:39] <dorje> sleep tight ;-)[04:52:04] <Barrett> feel free to ask questions in the haiku-3rd-party development mailing list too[04:52:09] <dorje> oh ok[04:52:34] <Barrett> and in haiku-development for questions relating Haiku internals[04:52:53] <Barrett> good night :-)[04:52:57] <dorje> cya[04:57:13] *** Barrett has quit IRC[05:12:19] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[05:12:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[05:12:26] <Skipp_OSX> Hello[05:14:33] *** rennj has quit IRC[05:18:37] *** dorje has quit IRC[05:29:22] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[05:38:07] *** 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IRC[17:02:44] *** swift110 has joined #haiku[17:03:05] *** stippi has joined #haiku[17:03:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[17:08:37] *** rpcope has quit IRC[17:10:12] *** vidrep has joined #haiku[17:10:22] <vidrep> Good morning[17:11:46] <bbjimmy> Good morning[17:14:53] *** Nothing_Much has joined #haiku[17:15:01] *** swift110 has quit IRC[17:15:25] *** rpcope has joined #haiku[17:21:07] <tojoko> hi vidrep[17:22:41] *** GeneralDuke has quit IRC[17:24:34] *** cc^mint has joined #haiku[17:27:06] <vidrep> Hi bbjimmy and tojoko[17:27:23] <vidrep> Sorry, I was creating a ticket in trac[17:28:32] <vidrep> bbjimmy, the other day cdburning apps were discussed[17:28:40] <Not-b880> [haikuports] fbrosson synchronize pull request #598: tar: bump to 1.29, adapt patch, add TEST(), switch to mirror. - https://git.io/vrW5p[17:28:52] <vidrep> I brought up the Yab app JABA in the discussion[17:29:08] <bbjimmy> and?[17:29:20] <vidrep> I know I've asked before, but is the source available?[17:29:46] <bbjimmy> from what I remember JABA was a front-end to cdrecord.[17:29:53] <vidrep> right[17:30:01] <bbjimmy> made with yab for zeta[17:30:05] <vidrep> jan_64 if I remember was the owner[17:30:28] <bbjimmy> I don't think the source is available.[17:30:31] <vidrep> That's it[17:30:58] *** gouchi has quit IRC[17:31:54] <vidrep> I remember JABA was replaced on Zeta by MediaFire[17:32:38] <vidrep> However, MediaFire was a commercial app, and was crippled unless you paid for it[17:33:24] <bbjimmy> Mine only had JABA[17:33:33] <bbjimmy> I just checked.[17:34:05] <vidrep> JABA was on Zeta 1.21 and was replaced by MediaFire if you upgraded to Zeta 1.5[17:34:48] <bbjimmy> I never got that upgrade.[17:35:28] <vidrep> My recollection was that JABA worked pretty good, and I'd like to see it on Haiku[17:35:43] <vidrep> Is jan_64 still around?[17:39:01] <bbjimmy> yes, but not working on yab or haiku at the moment.[17:41:16] <vidrep> I remember a post on Haikuware a few years ago where he asked for help in creating a new program for Haiku.[17:41:41] <vidrep> At that time he still had the sources for JABA[17:41:55] <vidrep> 2006 or 2007?[17:42:06] <bbjimmy> let me see if I can find the contact info.[17:43:19] <vidrep> The main problem in getting it to work on Haiku might end up being that nasty libzeta thing[17:46:32] <bbjimmy> shouldn't be so bad with the source code.[17:47:05] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[17:47:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[17:47:36] <vidrep> Hi humdinger[17:47:49] <humdinger> hullo[17:50:17] *** CandidC has quit IRC[17:50:23] <vidrep> We really need at least one working frontend for cdrecord[17:51:52] <vidrep> We can't expect every would be Haiku user to geek out on the CLI for burning disks[17:52:00] <bbjimmy> I just sent a request for JABA sources on the yab group on facebook.[17:53:38] <vidrep> We have a bunch of them, but not one works worth a damn[17:54:49] <vidrep> That'll be my rant for the day :)[17:54:57] *** tojoko has quit IRC[17:56:16] <vidrep> humdinger, youtube-dl updated to 2016.05.16[17:56:34] *** Nothing_Much has quit IRC[17:57:33] <humdinger> vidrep: ok. so you need me to update it for all archs?[17:57:59] <vidrep> Only if you want[17:58:39] <humdinger> "want" :)[17:59:16] <humdinger> I wonder how long I've been waiting on those famous build bots to arrive...[17:59:37] <vidrep> I was going through a bunch of recipes the other day and found a few that don't build, have newr versions, or there is a mismatch between the recipe and what is in depot[18:00:30] *** CandidC has joined #haiku[18:00:44] <humdinger> I can imagine there are quite afew updated recipes whose packages weren't uploaded to HaikuDepot[18:01:19] <vidrep> I did a fresh install this morning, so right now I'm downloading haikuporter/haikuports again[18:01:27] <humdinger> If you want to, you can make a list of all that could be updated (and do still build) and I'll build&upload them all at once.[18:01:50] <vidrep> I made notes on which recipes to look at[18:02:58] <bbjimmy> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12787 button color regression[18:06:23] <vidrep> humdinger, where would I send such a list?[18:06:42] <humdinger> vidrep: to me :)[18:06:54] <humdinger> or the hikuports mailing list.[18:08:27] *** stippi_ has joined #haiku[18:09:22] <vidrep> Heres an example: Sanity - In depot it is 0.5a. The haikuports recipe is 0.6.[18:10:47] <humdinger> noted. keep 'em coming.[18:11:46] <vidrep> OK. mupdf is currently at version 1.9a. Our version is 1.7[18:12:16] <vidrep> PDFTranslator is based upon mupdf and may not build with the new vcersion[18:12:35] <humdinger> I'm not a big porter... esp. when it comes to libs.[18:12:52] <Barrett> humdinger, this night I had a talk with urias it might be that I begin to work on buildbots in 3-4 weeks[18:13:09] <Barrett> no promise, no assurance[18:13:22] <humdinger> Barrett: cool![18:13:36] <humdinger> oh, I rely totally on your word of honour. :)[18:13:54] <vidrep> I just attempted a build of Sanity and it fails[18:13:58] <Barrett> :)[18:14:10] *** stippi__ has joined #haiku[18:14:18] <vidrep> "Error: Build has failed - stopping"[18:14:36] *** stippi_ has quit IRC[18:15:12] <vidrep> Should I copy the terminal output and send it to somebody?[18:16:18] <humdinger> you could open an issue at haikuports with it, vidrep[18:16:28] <vidrep> OK[18:18:59] <humdinger> maybe it's all waddlesplash's fault. "BLocker::BLocker(const BLocker &)' is private"[18:19:12] <humdinger> didn't he commit a change in that region recently?[18:19:27] *** Akuji has quit IRC[18:21:49] <humdinger> vidrep: at phillippe's sanity website, it only has v0.5 for download.[18:21:54] <vidrep> humdinger, where on git do I report an issue with the sanity recipe?[18:22:10] <humdinger> the source_uri for 0.6 points to https://github.com/diversys/sanity/archive/f40f575.tar.gz[18:22:17] <humdinger> maybe cntact diver first...[18:22:43] <humdinger> vidrep: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/issues[18:24:32] <vidrep> So, just click on "issues" and add "new issue"?[18:25:06] <humdinger> yes. put "sanity" in the topic.[18:25:36] <vidrep> I've done plenty on trac and haikuarchives, but not on haikuports[18:25:48] <humdinger> it's the same thing.[18:25:53] <humdinger> hang on while I reboot...[18:25:55] *** humdinger has quit IRC[18:26:30] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[18:26:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[18:27:22] <humdinger> vidrep: maybe add your report also to https://github.com/diversys/sanity/issues[18:27:54] <humdinger> the recipe probably will work fine after the source code was fixed.[18:28:46] <humdinger> before adding a patch for that to the recipe, "someone" can just as well put the fix into the code directly...[18:29:27] <humdinger> if the fix can't be found, the recipe will have to be marked as "defect". !x86_gcc2[18:30:30] <Not-b880> [haikuports] Vidrep opened issue #599: Sanity 0.6 recipe fails - https://git.io/vr4CQ[18:32:34] <vidrep> Web+ crashed when submitting the report, yet it still appears to have gone through[18:33:22] <humdinger> vidrep: yep. I just comment on that ticket. :)[18:34:02] <vidrep> Should I also submit the same report to the link you provided (diver)?[18:34:28] <humdinger> vidrep: I'd say yes. let diver know, maybe he can even fix it...[18:34:41] <vidrep> Groovy :D[18:37:59] * humdinger is idle: dinner[18:40:43] *** kushalsingh007 has quit IRC[18:40:48] <vidrep> What's up with Web+ and git? Every time I submit a comment it crashes.[18:41:09] *** kushalsingh007 has joined #haiku[18:41:56] <vidrep> bbjimmy, thanks for looking into JABA[18:43:09] <bbjimmy> Now we have to wait for a response.[18:55:01] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:55:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[19:10:52] *** Negr0 has joined #haiku[19:12:18] *** vdamewood has joined #haiku[19:13:48] *** Barrett has quit IRC[19:18:39] *** arroyoc has joined #haiku[19:20:03] *** cc^mint has quit IRC[19:20:25] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[19:21:16] * humdinger has returned[19:24:59] <bbjimmy> How does one get a ghangelog to shjow in haikudepot?[19:25:20] <bbjimmy> Filer shows a changelog[19:25:25] <humdinger> bbjimmy: you have to add it at the HDS website[19:25:32] <bbjimmy> *sh[19:25:49] <bbjimmy> It won't let me add one[19:26:36] <humdinger> maybe you need further permissions. try asking on the mailinlist.[19:30:03] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[19:38:41] *** Akuji has quit IRC[19:42:57] <vidrep> humdinger, for mupdf, who is responsible to update the patch? I can send them the failed build log, if needed.[19:44:25] <humdinger> vidrep: if there are patches, it means they aren't yet upstreamed or were rejected. then it's an issue that has to be solved on the haikuports/recipe side.[19:44:33] *** arroyoc has quit IRC[19:44:33] <humdinger> so, it's another issue at haikuports[19:45:26] <vidrep> I updated the recipe with the correct checksum etc, but when the patch is applied then therte are the stream of error messages[19:46:11] <humdinger> then those formerly patched code locations have changed.[19:46:29] <humdinger> You may be successful trying to update the patch[19:46:47] <humdinger> it gets more difficult, if there are new issues to patch, of course.[19:47:10] <vidrep> It will be a "educational experience"[19:47:44] <humdinger> I'm sure. I tried it myself a few times before, but had to gave up eventually. :)[19:48:56] <vidrep> warning: CRLF will be replaced by LF in thirdparty/curl/tests/...[19:50:08] <humdinger> no idea if that's a problem.[19:50:53] <humdinger> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5834014/lf-will-be-replaced-by-crlf-in-git-what-is-that-and-is-it-important[19:50:53] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[19:50:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[19:51:00] <vidrep> This is a area where I should just leave it alone and just inform those in the know[19:51:20] <humdinger> "Don't give in. Give up." ;)[19:51:34] <trinitr0n> hmm[19:51:42] <trinitr0n> not a lot of PPC stuff on BeShare[19:51:47] <trinitr0n> but it does run on PPC on bebox[19:51:50] <trinitr0n> so that's kinda neat[19:57:22] <vidrep> humdinger, should I just go to haikuports and create another issue? i.e. mupdf - update recipe and patch to version 1.9a[19:57:51] <vidrep> I don't want to create unnecessary noise[19:58:04] <humdinger> not sure. if there were a recipe already for 1.9a that were broken, yes.[19:58:07] <humdinger> right.[19:58:21] <humdinger> there are probably tons of apps/libs that could be updated.[19:58:50] <humdinger> in most cases, I suspect people that need a newer version are aware of it and look into creating a new recipe[20:01:26] <vidrep> Maybe I should stick to reporting bugs in existing apps and recipes and let somebody else worry about the updates[20:01:39] <vidrep> It's out of my element[20:02:21] <humdinger> vidrep: whatever you feel comfortable with. you can always give it another try...[20:07:28] *** stippi__ has quit IRC[20:10:21] *** stippi has quit IRC[20:12:43] *** PasNox_ has joined #haiku[20:12:54] *** cc^mint has joined #haiku[20:14:08] *** stippi has joined #haiku[20:14:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[20:16:16] *** stippi1 has joined #haiku[20:16:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi1[20:29:53] *** return0e has joined #haiku[20:30:43] *** vidrep has quit IRC[20:33:22] *** vidrep has joined #haiku[20:33:35] *** return0e has quit IRC[20:33:50] *** return0e has joined #haiku[20:35:13] <vidrep> I just built "tipster" from haikuports. Upon launch - no tips in the window[20:37:20] <vidrep> Clicking on the bottom right corner to create a replicant causes a crash in Tracker[20:38:04] <vidrep> selecting next tip or previous tip causes the app to crash[20:38:34] <humdinger> hmm... I did work at some time...[20:38:40] <vidrep> Since ValeT is no longer around much, who is taking over this app?[20:38:55] <humdinger> I've been playing around with it.[20:39:18] <vidrep> Oh, you messed it up? :p[20:39:32] <humdinger> nope. nothing yet working and committed. :)[20:40:10] <vidrep> Add a issue on Git?[20:40:37] <humdinger> sure.[20:41:43] <humdinger> vidrep: you could try the latest commit of Tipster first.[20:42:41] <humdinger> you'd have to move the tipstexts into data/Tipster/tips I think[20:52:28] <vidrep> Building the app from master is the same[20:54:00] <humdinger> put the tips file into npn-packaged/data/Tipster ?[20:55:35] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[20:57:21] <vidrep> nope[20:59:32] <vidrep> Does it work for you?[21:00:26] <humdinger> No, but my forked branch does.[21:00:38] <humdinger> Now that Filer's "done", I'll have another go at Tipster[21:02:50] <vidrep> Speaking about ValeT..,what are we going to do about the hardware database?[21:03:07] <humdinger> erm. the "no" above goes for the recipe'd version. haven't tried the master...[21:03:19] <humdinger> nobody knows.[21:03:32] <humdinger> ValeT's mia[21:04:28] <vidrep> Is it still on his personal site?[21:05:05] <vidrep> Are we able to take over the development?[21:05:31] <humdinger> i suspect so: https://dry-bastion-46138.herokuapp.com/[21:05:58] <humdinger> anyone could fork https://github.com/DarkmatterVale/Haiku-Configuration-Repo/[21:09:04] *** scanty has quit IRC[21:09:28] <vidrep> I think it would be worthwhile to get it completed. What do you think?[21:09:31] *** scanty has joined #haiku[21:10:16] <humdinger> definitely. I just don't know the first thing of web coding.[21:10:29] <humdinger> or how to deploy a site on some server.[21:13:11] <vidrep> You and me both :)[21:13:26] <vidrep> I guess we have to wait for ValeT[21:14:20] <humdinger> or someone else interested...[21:20:20] *** arroyoc has joined #haiku[21:21:55] *** jstressman has quit IRC[21:23:35] *** [Beta] has joined #haiku[21:24:04] *** jstressman has joined #haiku[21:25:00] *** pdziepak has joined #haiku[21:25:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o pdziepak[21:25:45] *** johndrinkwater has quit IRC[21:27:00] *** leszek has quit IRC[21:28:16] *** humdinger has quit IRC[21:31:57] *** dorje has joined #haiku[21:38:01] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[21:39:49] *** Nothing_Much has joined #haiku[21:41:39] *** dorje has quit IRC[21:44:17] *** arroyoc has quit IRC[21:54:02] *** arroyoc has joined #haiku[21:57:02] *** stippi_ has joined #haiku[21:57:56] *** stippi has quit IRC[21:57:56] *** stippi1 is now known as stippi[22:11:26] *** kushalsingh007 has quit IRC[22:11:37] *** gouchi has joined #haiku[22:14:20] *** tojoko has joined #haiku[22:17:32] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:25:31] *** PasNox_ has quit IRC[22:25:49] *** PasNox_ has joined #haiku[22:32:09] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[22:35:48] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:46:48] *** cc^mint has quit IRC[22:49:31] *** cc^mint has joined #haiku[22:52:14] *** PasNox_ has quit IRC[23:01:29] *** soakbot has joined #haiku[23:01:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[23:11:50] <Not-b880> [haikuports] Barrett17 opened pull request #600: live555: Fix devel package and policies - https://git.io/vrBYv[23:17:13] *** arroyoc has quit IRC[23:18:38] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[23:19:06] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[23:25:13] *** gouchi has quit IRC[23:29:59] *** vidrep has quit IRC[23:38:34] *** _Dario_ has joined #haiku[23:41:50] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:46:02] *** vidrep has joined #haiku[23:50:35] *** Paianni has joined #haiku[23:54:36] *** Paianni has quit IRC[23:54:50] *** Paianni has joined #haiku[23:59:38] *** stippi_ has quit IRC