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[00:05:07] <vidrep> I tried a few other things on Alpha 2 compared to recent builds, and to my astonishment my KVM switch works perfectly on Alpha 2
[00:06:04] <vidrep> I am able to switch between my Windows PC and Haiku PC without any issues
[00:06:41] <vidrep> On Alpha 4 and up to the most current build it does not work at all
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[00:07:43] <vidrep> Would syslogs etc be useful from such an old haiku build to resolve the issue?
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[00:09:15] <waddlesplash> vidrep: probably, yes
[00:09:26] <waddlesplash> and if you could find the revision that broke it that would be the best thing
[00:09:43] <waddlesplash> vidrep: also, intel_extreme will either be (a) fixed or (b) disabled before release, fyi
[00:10:28] <vidrep> I'm flabbergasted that these things are working on something as old as Alpha 2, but not on current nightlies
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[00:11:24] <vidrep> I'm going to leave Alpha 2 on that partition and do more testing. Maybe more surprises to come...
[00:14:26] <vidrep> The Intel extreme driver itself isn't working. What is different is that Alpha 2 auto selects the VESA driver and screen resolution to be used
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[00:14:59] <vidrep> On Alpha 4 and current builds I have to do that manually from the boot menu
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[00:19:31] <jessicah> to be fair, alpha2 booting with vesa just means that the intel driver likely wasn't aware of your hardware
[00:19:56] <jessicah> whereas now it's had a lot more development
[00:20:01] <jessicah> since that time
[00:20:15] <jessicah> and kallisti is aware of the brokenness
[00:20:22] <vidrep> You're probably right
[00:20:37] <jessicah> the fact the intel driver "worked" in the past was a fluke
[00:21:16] <jessicah> I have to blacklist the intel extreme driver too...
[00:21:32] <jessicah> and didn't use to in the past
[00:23:46] <FreeFull> Is there any radeon driver?
[00:23:49] <jessicah> yes
[00:24:03] <jessicah> the radeon_hd driver works pretty well
[00:24:14] <FreeFull> I wonder if Haiku uses it when I boot it on my laptop
[00:24:31] <jessicah> there's no hardware acceleration with it
[00:24:39] <jessicah> the drivers mostly just do modesetting
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[00:24:52] <jessicah> and sometimes overlay support
[00:28:37] <FreeFull> jessicah: According to Devices there is no driver being used for the graphics chip
[00:28:44] <FreeFull> Can I rely on that, or is there a different way to check?
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[00:32:56] <FreeFull> jessicah: It's a Radeon HD 6320
[00:37:55] <jessicah> the Devices app isn't finished...
[00:38:04] <jessicah> you should look at the screen preferences
[00:38:09] <jessicah> it'll tell you which driver is being used
[00:38:32] <jessicah> think you might have to hover over the screen image to see the driver in tooltip?
[00:38:34] <jessicah> can't remember
[00:42:02] <FreeFull> Ok
[00:42:26] <FreeFull> jessicah: Another thing, my USB mouse doesn't work if I boot with it plugged in, but it does work once I unplug and plug it back in
[00:44:00] <FreeFull> The screen preferences do say the name of the graphics chip, I don't see anything extra if I hover
[00:46:54] <waddlesplash> jessicah: IIRC the Devices app just needs more functionality, right?
[00:47:01] <waddlesplash> also we should get rid of the second tab, it's redundant
[00:47:12] <waddlesplash> and replace it with a "Copy to clipboard" button on 3rd tab
[00:47:22] * waddlesplash opens Devices source code
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[00:53:33] <jessicah> FreeFull: then I guess it's using the radeon driver :) you can always check syslog to be sure
[00:53:41] <waddlesplash> jessicah: do you have an opinion on whether we should even have 3 tabs in Devices?
[00:53:49] <waddlesplash> Considering all the info that's in tabs 1 & 2 is in tab 3
[00:53:51] <jessicah> I don't remember what it looks like
[00:54:11] <waddlesplash> jessicah: https://dev.haiku-os.org/attachment/ticket/10791/PCI%20Information.png
[00:54:42] <waddlesplash> "Detailed" is a column list of everything in 1st & 2nd plus some more info
[00:54:47] <jessicah> given the app isn't even complete, it's hard to say :p
[00:57:05] <waddlesplash> emailed the ML
[00:58:16] <FreeFull> Looking at the syslog, radeon_hd does seem to be used
[00:58:20] <FreeFull> Any idea about the mouse thing?
[01:03:00] <waddlesplash> FreeFull: what USB controller?
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[01:11:31] <FreeFull> waddlesplash: AMD SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 EHCI
[01:11:55] <vidrep> I swapped in my other KVM switch. It also works with Alpha 2
[01:12:16] <FreeFull> I haven't tested what happens with other USB devices
[01:12:20] <FreeFull> I'll try with my Haiku USB stick
[01:12:28] <waddlesplash> FreeFull: OK so it's mmlr's problem
[01:12:35] <waddlesplash> file a ticket
[01:12:41] <vidrep> I have an open ticket for it. I'll attach the Alpha 2 syslog in case it proves useful
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[01:15:44] <FreeFull> waddlesplash: If I boot with my USB stick plugged in, and tug it out, I get a VM page fault and the kernel debugger appears
[01:16:09] <waddlesplash> ?! what version are you on
[01:16:17] <FreeFull> waddlesplash: Newest nightly
[01:16:20] <waddlesplash> that should have been fixed a while ago
[01:16:46] <FreeFull> Oh, I might have accidentally booted from the USB stick
[01:16:52] <FreeFull> That's probably it
[01:16:55] <waddlesplash> oh lol
[01:16:58] <waddlesplash> yes that's it
[01:18:56] <FreeFull> waddlesplash: USB stick does get mounted on boot, mouse needs to be replugged after booting to work
[01:19:08] <FreeFull> So I'm guessing it's something specifically to do with HID
[01:19:21] <waddlesplash> I don't know
[01:19:31] <waddlesplash> not my area of expertise
[01:19:40] <waddlesplash> file a bug, note hardware
[01:19:50] <FreeFull> Yeah, I should do that
[01:20:35] <FreeFull> My other gripe is that there is no way whatsoever to bind any multimedia keys in Haiku
[01:20:45] <FreeFull> I'd love to use my laptop's volume up and volume down keys
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[01:34:06] <FreeFull> waddlesplash: Filed the bug
[01:37:21] <FreeFull> waddlesplash: I wish most of the syslog wasn't ahci port reset messages, but I imagine that'll get fixed at some point
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[01:40:08] <waddlesplash> yes, there's a ticket about that
[01:40:19] <waddlesplash> comment on it if you can locate it
[01:40:56] <vidrep> My KVM switch is now working intermittently on hrev50317. Last time I tested it was 8 days ago, and it wasn't working whatsoever.
[01:41:11] <waddlesplash> probably an EHCI bug
[01:41:26] <vidrep> What changed in the last 8 days?
[01:42:19] <vidrep> It still freezes up after switching 2 or 3 times. But at least it is now intermittent.
[01:43:03] <vidrep> This has been one of those kind of days...
[01:45:28] <waddlesplash> nothing
[01:45:38] <waddlesplash> it must be intermittent in general
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[01:48:01] <vidrep> It couldn't be too intermittent, since it hasn't worked at all since hrev49144
[01:49:55] <vidrep> It hasn't worked ever on Alpha 4. It first started working on hrev49000
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[02:16:27] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #688 of haiku-nightlies-x86_gcc2 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-nightlies-x86_gcc2/builds/688
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[02:25:45] <FreeFull> OS development is hard
[02:36:11] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #688 of haiku-nightlies-x86 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-nightlies-x86/builds/688
[02:40:35] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #697 of haiku-nightlies-x86_64 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-nightlies-x86_64/builds/697
[02:53:55] <waddlesplash> indeed it is
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[02:56:25] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #706 of haiku-nightlies-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-nightlies-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/706
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[03:32:11] <HAIKU-irker895> haiku.master: anevilyak * hrev50318 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=b8a716965a56+%5E9c7d0c3157ce
[03:32:12] <HAIKU-irker895> b8a716965a56: BSocketMessenger: Further improvements.
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[03:42:24] <chupachups> Don't do a rpi port yet. Focus only on r1, for x86/ia64. Here's why. It might be smarter at this time, to be able to load up a set vst/i, from haiku onto a wolfsonPi
[03:48:05] <chupachups> That way, you can control the vst/i loaded onto the wolfson audio rpi, via haiku, set the controls, inputs, triggers.. unplug it, plug trigger pad or whatever into the rpi.. it becomes a hardware vst instrument or effector.
[03:48:46] <chupachups> Musicians would love it (tm)
[03:51:55] <chupachups> Let the wolf box people deal with the other end. I mean, they're the ones to add a stomp proof small line lcd..
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[04:02:13] <chupachups> And no, vst is not supposed to be platform specific..
[04:06:21] <Barrett> chupachups, why this nick? :-)
[04:07:00] <Barrett> lollipops?
[04:07:00] <chupachups> I'm too lazy to register a new one.
[04:07:41] <chupachups> It's preemption of flame trolls. It translates "you suck it"
[04:09:39] <chupachups> Also, I thought Salvador dali, doing a commerical logo is pretty flipped out.
[04:10:35] <chupachups> Anyhow. Yeah, as garbage as Windows is, tracktion runs way better than the platform it's on. We must have that and JUCE for R1.
[04:11:09] <Barrett> we have a VST host BTW
[04:11:20] <chupachups> I *can't conceivably beat it up hard enough*
[04:11:31] <Barrett> and feel free to port JUCE
[04:11:31] <chupachups> Oh yeah.. I know.
[04:12:10] <chupachups> I might.. or someone else will. Barrett, I'm glad you're getting streaming up.
[04:12:35] <chupachups> Thank you for what you do.
[04:12:51] <Barrett> I like to work on what I like :-D
[04:14:10] <Barrett> the media_kit is something hate-love
[04:14:26] <Barrett> or love-hate depending on the direction you look at it
[04:15:28] <Barrett> but, the BMediaFile infrastructure is powerful
[04:15:48] <chupachups> Indeed.
[04:16:06] <Barrett> potentially one could create a streaming server with "new BMediaFIle(url);"
[04:16:29] <Barrett> but I'm concerning on clients right now, server things are too much complex right now
[04:16:47] <Barrett> and sorry for repeting words I'm going to sleep
[04:19:13] <chupachups> Go for it.. you got more time to get closer to the theoretical limit than they do
[04:19:26] <chupachups> Gtg. Take care.
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[04:20:56] <Barrett> :-)
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[08:39:23] <swift110-phone> hey
[08:40:15] <humdinger> ahoi
[08:40:39] <swift110-phone> how r u humdinger
[08:40:55] <humdinger> i m gr8
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[13:41:37] <tojoko> why can't i obtain haiku nightly via torrent?
[13:47:08] <Carl_Miller> Hi
[13:49:07] <tojoko> hi carl
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[14:56:38] <miqlas-H> Hi Guys!
[14:57:28] <Carl_Miller> Hi miqlas-H
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[15:02:20] <miqlas-H> Hi Carl, how doing?
[15:08:45] <Carl_Miller> Fine
[15:08:48] <Carl_Miller> BRB, installing VirtualBox
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[15:10:45] <Carl_Miller> Back
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[15:33:03] <Carl_Haiku> \:D/
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[15:34:07] <Carl_Haiku> Hi jjido
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[15:43:49] <andy____> hi i need help regarding beos
[15:43:55] <andy____> 5.0
[15:44:22] <andy____> the os is restarting automatically
[15:44:39] <andy____> i would like to debug which application is restarting
[15:45:02] <andy____> i would like to know which application is restarting
[15:45:07] <andy____> please help me
[15:45:55] <andy____> am i in the appropriate place
[15:45:57] <andy____> ?
[15:47:48] <miqlas-H> Yep, you are here :)
[15:47:52] <miqlas-H> And me too.
[15:48:14] <miqlas-H> Let me know, on wich configuration are you trying to get BeOS run.
[15:48:50] <andy____> oh ok
[15:48:54] <andy____> thanks for reply
[15:48:59] <andy____> vmware
[15:49:05] <andy____> vmware player
[15:49:10] <miqlas-H> As You surely know, BeOS is a pretty old OS today, and it is really picky, what kind of hardware do you have.
[15:49:12] <andy____> and the os version is 5.0
[15:49:21] <andy____> one of my client is using it
[15:49:25] <miqlas-H> Ok, is it Personal Edition or Prof?
[15:49:27] <andy____> so i need to debug it
[15:49:34] <andy____> i think it is prof
[15:49:47] <miqlas-H> Ok, did you got the install disk?
[15:50:15] <andy____> no ,,, and how and where to get the OS version Beos
[15:50:17] <andy____> 5.0
[15:50:20] <miqlas-H> Your client like to virtualize it?
[15:50:28] <andy____> i would like to install a vanilla
[15:51:03] <miqlas-H> I don't think that you can buy it anymore. But there are some gray sources to get the install medai.
[15:51:04] <andy____> as a first step i need to stop the restarting of the OS
[15:51:07] <miqlas-H> media
[15:51:15] <andy____> oh ok
[15:51:22] <miqlas-H> but you already have something, right?
[15:51:33] <andy____> no it is a client provided image
[15:51:51] <miqlas-H> ok, so you have something to start with, right?
[15:52:09] <andy____> hmm some critical issue is that
[15:52:26] <andy____> in vmware the os is not restarting, but in a device it is restarting
[15:52:27] <miqlas-H> andy____: you got a personal message. check your IRC.
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[16:23:46] <humdinger> waddlesplash: Thanks for the Filer merge.
[16:24:28] <humdinger> waddlesplash: since you tagged a release, I guess we don't transfer Filer into my repo. Which is fine by me.
[16:25:08] <humdinger> I'm updating the recipe now, so if you do want to transfer, speak now, or the SOURCE_URI will have to be updated again...
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[16:30:21] <sunku> hi miqlas-H
[16:30:32] <sunku> i was in chat with you
[16:30:41] <sunku> suddenly i got disconnected
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[16:58:40] <ii-v> hey, I need some help
[16:59:00] <ii-v> I can't get libedit to work
[17:00:43] <humdinger> ii-v: No idea about that, but maybe if you gave more details...
[17:00:59] <ii-v> the compiler can't find the editline directory, wait a second so i can give you details
[17:02:35] <ii-v> http://codepad.org/TDp8H10v
[17:02:42] <ii-v> that's the whole error message
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[17:02:54] <ii-v> wait a minute and I will post the relevant code too
[17:03:43] <ii-v> http://codepad.org/BmHIZ4hb
[17:03:58] <ii-v> I am following this tutorial: http://www.buildyourownlisp.com/chapter4_interactive_prompt
[17:04:38] <humdinger> I'm not good at this... did you link to libedit? -ledit ?
[17:05:08] <ii-v> I have tried that, yea
[17:05:33] <humdinger> you sure the make file has a "main" target?
[17:06:04] <ii-v> there is no makefile, you can just write "make <filename>"
[17:06:45] <humdinger> really? I'm not much of a programmer, but using make without makefile seems strange.
[17:07:11] <humdinger> did you try "gcc main.c -edit"?
[17:07:14] <ii-v> well I have used it that way many times, and it has always worked
[17:07:37] <humdinger> "-ledit", I meant
[17:07:39] <ii-v> and yes, i have tried that
[17:14:00] <humdinger> ii-v: you do have thelibedit_devel package installed, right?
[17:16:47] <ii-v> I'm pretty sure I do
[17:16:54] <ii-v> but I don't know how to check
[17:17:14] <humdinger> pkgman search devel:libedit
[17:17:22] <humdinger> should dhow an "s" if installed
[17:18:45] <ii-v> that was the problem
[17:18:46] <humdinger> hmmm.. our libedit doesn't seem to include a history.h header...
[17:18:50] <ii-v> thank you!
[17:18:59] <ii-v> and no, it seems history.h is depreciated
[17:19:19] <humdinger> then your code will have problems. :)
[17:19:50] <ii-v> no, i think it was merged or something, because now it seems to work
[17:20:28] <humdinger> ok. cool.
[17:20:49] <ii-v> thank you, I didn't know about the devel packages
[17:21:51] <humdinger> yeah. those contain the headers etc. which aren't in the runtime package
[17:22:25] <ii-v> good to know
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[17:52:05] <miqlas-H> H
[17:52:06] <miqlas-H> Hi
[17:52:13] <miqlas-H> i'm again here in the pu
[17:52:16] <miqlas-H> pub
[17:52:27] <miqlas-H> humdinger: Hi!
[17:52:29] <humdinger> where else
[17:52:38] * humdinger waves
[17:52:46] <miqlas-H> where else at sunday?
[17:53:22] <humdinger> exactly
[17:53:32] <miqlas-H> I had a nice discussion with 2 german veteran, it was great.
[17:53:43] <miqlas-H> but today was no nice girl in the pub yet.
[17:54:07] <miqlas-H> humdinger: yust a question: is it sunday now?
[17:54:25] * humdinger consults the calendar
[17:54:28] <humdinger> it is.
[17:54:42] <miqlas-H> ok, morning is free then.
[17:55:01] <miqlas-H> I got to know a nice young maechen today.
[17:55:26] <miqlas-H> She is wonderful, but pretty young for me. Sadly.
[17:55:51] <miqlas-H> So maybe in a parallell universe can we have some nice childrens.
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[17:56:38] <humdinger> the hungarian stallion... :o
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[17:57:07] <miqlas-H> in a parallell universe, where i'm also younger a bit....
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[17:57:24] <miqlas-H> now i just need to work with my rain-man colegues
[17:57:34] <miqlas-H> hungarian stallion?
[17:57:43] <humdinger> d...d....definitely.
[17:57:45] <miqlas-H> what do you mean?
[17:57:52] <humdinger> rocky?
[17:58:00] <humdinger> the italian stallion...
[17:58:02] <miqlas-H> te boxer?
[17:58:12] <miqlas-H> the
[17:58:13] <humdinger> the movie boxer...
[17:58:20] <miqlas-H> yep
[17:58:33] <miqlas-H> what he have to do with my situatin?
[17:58:53] <humdinger> just your apparent libido...
[17:59:01] <humdinger> stallion...
[17:59:08] <humdinger> ah, never mind :)
[17:59:15] <miqlas-H> leme check my beierunterlage.... 4 bier, 1 unicum.
[17:59:25] <miqlas-H> i can handle that now.
[17:59:53] <miqlas-H> humdinger: do you know unicum?
[18:00:08] <humdinger> nope. I take it some kind of Schnapps?
[18:00:16] <miqlas-H> old traditional hungarian snaps
[18:00:38] <miqlas-H> schreibt mann es wirlich als schnapps?
[18:00:41] <miqlas-H> om
[18:00:43] <miqlas-H> omg
[18:01:02] <miqlas-H> deutsche sprache scwere sprache
[18:01:07] <humdinger> sometime also known as "Schnaäpperchen" :)
[18:01:20] <humdinger> minus the "a"
[18:02:25] <miqlas-H> Ich trinke meistens nur Göring-Schnaps.
[18:03:20] <humdinger> never heard that one either.
[18:03:24] <miqlas-H> Aber die Kneipe hat gerade ungarische Schnaps besorgt, weil ich habe es gewünscht, so jetzt muss ich es trinken.
[18:03:30] <humdinger> I'm not much of a drinker.
[18:03:38] <miqlas-H> Göring-Schnaps = Jaegermeister
[18:03:45] <humdinger> ah.
[18:03:57] <miqlas-H> check the wikipedia for more information.
[18:04:21] <miqlas-H> Göring war ja ReichJaegermeister.
[18:04:51] <humdinger> ach herrje...
[18:05:11] <miqlas-H> wahrheit, gerade gelesen in wiki
[18:05:15] <humdinger> I wanted to say, better than Göbbels Bier, but reigned myself in.
[18:05:57] <miqlas-H> Das abe ich so weit ncht getruken, aber be eine bekannte home-brauerei gbt es hier gerauchtes bier.
[18:06:14] <miqlas-H> es hat ja gerauchtes-speck gerauch und gesmack
[18:06:19] <humdinger> tried that once. didn't like it.
[18:06:42] <miqlas-H> du weiss doch, dass bier is flüssiges brot, wegen kalorieninhalt
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[18:07:06] <miqlas-H> aber mit speck es ist ja schon ein vollstaendiges frühstück....
[18:07:11] <humdinger> ah da passt dann ja der geräucherte speck.
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[18:08:16] <miqlas-H> ab sofort frühstück ist frühgetraenk.
[18:08:56] <humdinger> wenn's die Leber aushält...
[18:09:39] <miqlas-H> so statt "Was hast du als frühstück gegessen?" Du sollst fragen "Was hast du als frühstück getrunken"
[18:09:53] <miqlas-H> Passt besser zu mir.
[18:10:31] <miqlas-H> humdinger: Hast du gestern die Eurovision verflgt in TV?
[18:10:49] <humdinger> natürlich...
[18:10:51] <humdinger> ...nicht.
[18:11:35] <miqlas-H> Ich verfolge die nachrichten nicht, kannst du dann mir erzaehlen, seit wann ist Australien ist Europa?
[18:12:04] <humdinger> hmm... muss wohl erst kürzlich dazugestoßen sein.
[18:12:07] <humdinger> ist mir auch neu
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[18:12:18] <miqlas-H> Weil sie haben ja da teilgenommen.
[18:12:23] <humdinger> maybe you mean "Austria"?
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[18:12:32] <humdinger> badaboom
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[18:12:41] <miqlas-H> humdinger: Blöd bin ich doch nicht.
[18:12:55] <miqlas-H> TM
[18:13:11] <humdinger> who knows? all that schnapps and beer... :) :P
[18:13:29] <miqlas-H> Ich kann doch noch lesen.
[18:13:38] <humdinger> I'm off for dinner...
[18:13:44] <miqlas-H> Da war ja Austria und Australien auch.
[18:13:46] <humdinger> how about another beer, miqlas-H?
[18:14:19] <miqlas-H> Was mir (nch meine erinnerung) nicht wirklich kern-teil von Europa.
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[18:14:48] <miqlas-H> humdinner: i got it already.
[18:15:02] <miqlas-H> with unicum to
[18:15:59] <miqlas-H> you should test it, you can find it in EDEKA. You could be hunicum
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[18:25:20] <miqlas-H> It is actually a bit like Frenet Blanca.
[18:25:42] <miqlas-H> Branca
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[18:38:28] <miqlas-H> I need to go now
[18:38:35] <miqlas-H> bye guys!
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[23:56:23] <Not-b880> [haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://git.io/vrGgZ
[23:56:25] <Not-b880> [haikuports] fbrosson 4e985a9 - aspell_lt: add Lithuanian dictionary for aspell.
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