May 14, 2016 
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May 14, 2016 [00:00:12] <vidrep> Which other apps are you actively (or inactively) involved with?[00:03:57] <waddlesplash> basically everything on HaikuArchives I've touched at least once[00:04:22] *** jjido has quit IRC[00:09:23] <vidrep> That's a lot...[00:13:44] <waddlesplash> yep[00:17:09] *** skbot3531 has quit IRC[00:17:24] *** soakbot has joined #haiku[00:17:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[00:21:26] <vidrep> How familiar are you with BurnITNow? It's an app I use often.[00:23:30] <vidrep> I know there are other more important issues to be addressed, but I need to ask[00:25:18] <waddlesplash> I know literally nothing about it[00:25:23] <waddlesplash> Have you tried Lava?[00:25:35] <vidrep> Can't say I have...[00:26:36] <vidrep> OK, it's downloaded[00:26:37] <waddlesplash> well, maybe you could, I don't know how well it works :p[00:26:53] <vidrep> We'll know soon enough ;)[00:31:45] <vidrep> Looks like a gcc4 app. It builds with errors[00:36:51] <vidrep> I see it's also in haikuports...better to try that instead[00:40:26] <vidrep> [Errno -2147459069] No such file or directory: u'/boot/home/haikuports/repository/lava-1.0.DependencyInfo'[00:40:39] <vidrep> Any suggestions?[00:41:01] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[00:41:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[00:41:08] <waddlesplash> yes, wait for me to see what the errors are :p[00:43:50] <waddlesplash> vidrep: ok, try "haikuporter --no-dependencies libburndevice" before building lava[00:43:56] <vidrep> I'm also seeing an error when building "tipster": [Errno -2147459069] No such file or directory: u'/boot/home/haikuports/repository/tipster-1.0.1.DependencyInfo'[00:44:13] <waddlesplash> only those two?[00:44:26] <vidrep> So far[00:44:34] <waddlesplash> try "touch"ing the recipe files[00:46:29] <vidrep> [Errno -2147459069] No such file or directory: u'/boot/home/haikuports/repository/libburndevice-1.0.DependencyInfo'[00:49:36] <waddlesplash> did you update your haikuporter recently?[00:51:28] <vidrep> I do a git pull before starting[00:52:22] <vidrep> Hi Barrett![00:52:39] <vidrep> In the "vortex"...[00:55:14] <Barrett> hi vidrep[00:58:27] *** kushalsingh007 has quit IRC[01:00:03] <vidrep> Barrett, any good news to report on MediaKit, or is it too soon to ask?[01:04:26] <vidrep> I'm going to do a pkgman update, brb[01:04:31] *** vidrep has quit IRC[01:05:01] *** spinks has quit IRC[01:14:18] *** vidrep has joined #haiku[01:16:40] *** bbjimmy-atwork- has joined #haiku[01:16:59] <vidrep> waddlesplash, any idea about the error?[01:24:57] *** Carl_Miller has joined #haiku[01:28:57] *** gouchi has quit IRC[01:29:44] <Carl_Miller> Hi[01:30:34] <vidrep> Hi[01:46:00] <Barrett> vidrep, I'm investigating some issues that are a bit demotivating[01:46:41] <Barrett> and I have to decide how certain things should be handled before to continue writing code[01:46:56] <Barrett> for example, how a streaming client can decide if to use UDP or TCP[01:47:38] <Barrett> but don't worry, I will survive : p[01:50:11] <vidrep> You'll figure it out, I'm sure[01:53:06] <vidrep> waddlesplash, when you've figured out the problem with the recipes, let me know[01:53:13] <waddlesplash> vidrep: it works for me[01:53:18] <waddlesplash> I think your haikuporter install is busted[01:53:29] <vidrep> I can give the Lava burning app a good workout[01:54:06] <vidrep> I can download haikuporter and the haikuports again[02:04:30] <vidrep> You're right! After a fresh install they build. Thanks![02:06:27] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #696 of haiku-nightlies-x86_64 is complete: Failure [failed jam @nightly-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-nightlies-x86_64/builds/696[02:07:56] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #687 of haiku-nightlies-x86_gcc2 is complete: Failure [failed jam @nightly-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-nightlies-x86_gcc2/builds/687[02:13:22] *** rennj has joined #haiku[02:16:00] <Carl_Miller> ...I need to set up Haiku in a virtual machine again[02:16:07] <Carl_Miller> but first I need to figure out how to access XFS partitions from Windows :([02:17:34] *** analognoise has quit IRC[02:18:05] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #705 of haiku-nightlies-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed jam @nightly-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-nightlies-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/705[02:22:27] <Barrett> vidrep, are you contributing to haikuports? :-)[02:24:53] *** pixdamix has quit IRC[02:30:29] <vidrep> Barrett, my only contibution is building apps of interest and testing them[02:30:51] <vidrep> If I see a problem (like today) I'll let someone know[02:31:04] <vidrep> That's the extent of it[02:31:44] <Barrett> it's a very important thing to do[02:32:10] <Barrett> but anyway, on the argument "helping Haiku", haikuports is the best place to contribute for non developers[02:35:21] <vidrep> waddlesplash, when I try to burn a haiku-nightly-anyboot.image with Lava-L, it only gets to the status window. Burning never starts.[02:37:53] *** rennj has quit IRC[02:39:08] <vidrep> Also, Tipster does not display any tips. If "next tip" is selected from the dropdown, it crashes[02:40:32] <Barrett> vidrep, doesn't it needs some tool such as cdrecord?[02:40:36] <vidrep> I suspect that Lava is not designed for burning image files, but maybe only audio or data. I'll try a few different kinds of files.[02:40:54] <FlyingJester> Could you just dd with an image file?[02:41:36] <Barrett> I'm not sure image files can be burned before to be converted into iso[02:42:20] <vidrep> Lava uses libburndevice.[02:42:34] <vidrep> Lava is a tracker add-on[02:43:05] <vidrep> cdrecord works fine with such files[02:44:34] <Barrett> because maybe it recognizes the anyboot[02:46:08] <vidrep> I know CDrecord works with everything[02:46:41] <vidrep> I've never used Lava or libburndevice before today[02:49:38] <Barrett> I think I used it in the BeOS days[02:49:51] <Barrett> but at some point I got annoyed and just used cdrecord[02:50:12] <Barrett> there were helios[02:50:26] <Barrett> it was a pretty good program in 2002/2003 to burn[02:50:35] <Barrett> IMHO the best BeOS burning software[02:50:57] <Barrett> https://github.com/HaikuArchives/Helios[02:51:34] <vidrep> My fav too[02:51:55] <vidrep> Anyway, it turns out that Lava is only for audio and data CD's[02:52:26] <vidrep> When I right click on a mp3 or wav it brings up a project file[02:53:00] <vidrep> Only problem is that when you click "burn" nothing happens[02:54:40] <Barrett> BTW the helios code seems not so bad[02:55:19] <vidrep> I used to use Helios all the time on BeOS. I never got it to work on Haiku[02:55:37] <vidrep> Best Helios version was 1.5 final[02:56:08] <vidrep> The Helios 1.7betas were buggy[02:57:11] *** pixdamix has joined #haiku[02:57:38] <Barrett> helios was the only stable program[02:57:42] <Barrett> to burn[02:58:04] <vidrep> CDManager was very good for burning audio comilations[02:58:11] <Barrett> due to this fact I would like to get a look at it and make it working (if possible)[02:58:16] <vidrep> compilations[02:58:23] <Barrett> but really burning is less important today[02:58:40] <Barrett> especially CD burning[02:59:40] <vidrep> I've used most of them in the past: Melt, BurnItNow, CDManager, CDBurner (BeOS5), JABA, Helios[03:00:22] *** DCatt has joined #haiku[03:00:27] <vidrep> JABA (Zeta) was good too. It was a Yab app[03:00:55] <Barrett> never used Zeta[03:01:14] *** rennj has joined #haiku[03:01:27] <vidrep> Is source code available? Can it be made to work on Haiku?[03:01:39] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[03:01:41] <Barrett> I think I tried to boot the livecd but it stopped somewhere and fliyed out of the window after a few seconds :-D[03:01:50] <vidrep> LOL[03:02:17] <vidrep> I had Zeta 1.5 on a PC as recently as a year ago[03:02:29] *** mixomathoze has quit IRC[03:03:05] <Barrett> vidrep, how it feels?[03:03:35] <vidrep> Zeta? I never took a liking to it.[03:03:53] <Barrett> I never was attracted from Zeta too[03:04:30] <vidrep> The part that bugged me was the libzeta.so[03:04:53] <Barrett> I've hate that lib as it broke a lot of programs on R5[03:05:26] <vidrep> They had some good ideas, and made a lot of promises which never panned out[03:05:36] <Barrett> get on bebits -> figure out there's a new version of an app -> "can't find libzeta.so" -> DOH[03:06:37] <vidrep> There's a few decent apps on Zeta which would be nice to get working on haiku, but they all need that libzeta thing[03:06:51] <Barrett> I wonder what it contained[03:07:10] *** leer10 has joined #haiku[03:07:50] <Barrett> vidrep, I think it's better to forget it[03:08:03] <vidrep> Sauerkraut[03:09:24] *** mixomathoze has joined #haiku[03:10:00] <vidrep> The only guys who might be able to help are bbjimmy or lelldorin[03:10:39] <vidrep> Barrett, yeah you're probably right. Zeta is best forgotten[03:11:53] *** ElBarto_ has joined #haiku[03:11:53] <vidrep> Let's make Haiku into everything BeOS and Zeta could never be[03:12:05] *** ElBarto_ is now known as _ElBarto_[03:12:39] *** Barrett has quit IRC[03:12:43] <_ElBarto_> yes probably[03:13:57] <_ElBarto_> I don't think BeOS was unsuccessful though[03:14:52] <vidrep> It's because of BeOS that Haiku exists today.[03:16:36] <vidrep> Unlike Windows or Linux in 1998/1999, BeOS was fun.[03:18:42] <_ElBarto_> it was fun until 2005[03:18:59] <_ElBarto_> after that it became retrocomputing[03:28:14] <vidrep> Retrocomputing on Slackware 7.0 was never fun for me[03:28:42] <_ElBarto_> slackware was a hard distro[03:30:47] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[03:30:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[03:30:50] *** _ElBarto_ has quit IRC[03:30:57] <vidrep> The last UNIX type distro on any PC of mine was Solaris 10[03:31:26] <vidrep> I never took a liking to Linux or BSD[03:31:56] <vidrep> I'm not geeky enough for those[03:33:20] <DCatt> Solaris was actually a hybrid of BSD and System V[03:33:56] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[03:34:05] <DCatt> a follow on to Sun OS that was a joint effort between Sun and AT&T[03:36:36] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[03:37:24] <DCatt> Solaris was a great OS[03:38:13] <Barrett> in the end it resulted unsuccessful in Desktop[03:38:37] <vidrep> These days its just Haiku and Windows. I'm hoping one day Haiku will replace Windows as my sole OS[03:38:56] <Barrett> while sun tried to impose different technologies[03:41:29] *** leer10 has quit IRC[03:43:44] <vidrep> Time to go grocery shopping...[03:43:55] <vidrep> Have a good night guys![03:44:13] <vidrep> Barrett, get some sleep will you![03:44:15] <Barrett> good night[03:44:54] <vidrep> waddlesplash, thanks for the help[03:44:58] <vidrep> Bye[03:45:04] *** vidrep has quit IRC[03:52:22] *** vdamewood has joined #haiku[03:56:38] *** DCatt has quit IRC[03:56:55] *** Barrett has quit IRC[04:15:42] *** jmontleon has quit IRC[04:18:30] *** jmontleon has joined #haiku[04:23:05] *** bbjimmy-atwork- has quit IRC[04:37:00] *** jmontleon has quit IRC[04:39:41] *** jmontleon has joined #haiku[05:12:31] *** vdamewood has quit IRC[05:17:28] <HAIKU-irker895> haiku.master: waddlesplash * hrev50312 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=44d19f4d32b8+%5Ef0a5e33a5549[05:17:29] <HAIKU-irker895> 44d19f4d32b8: GameSoundDevice: Don't use operator= on BLocker.[05:27:08] *** Negr0 has quit IRC[05:32:33] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[05:32:41] <HaikuUser> hehe nice[05:32:47] *** HaikuUser is now known as carlosXP[05:33:38] <carlosXP> haiku continue advansing :)[05:33:54] <carlosXP> youtube, facebook videos playing[05:33:55] *** return0e has quit IRC[05:34:51] <carlosXP> a bit "bad" the image quality hehe[05:35:56] <carlosXP> btw, where i can download i apache + mysql + php server for haiku?[05:36:10] <carlosXP> this have one no?[05:39:15] <HAIKU-irker895> haiku.master: waddlesplash * hrev50313 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=62f555d640dd+%5E44d19f4d32b8[05:39:16] <HAIKU-irker895> 62f555d640dd: HaikuDepot: Don't use operator= on BLocker.[05:44:25] *** DHowett has quit IRC[05:47:37] *** carlosXP has quit IRC[06:13:55] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #2836 of haiku-master-x86_64 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_64/builds/2836[06:25:10] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #2817 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2/builds/2817[06:27:01] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[06:29:58] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #2776 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/2776[06:32:51] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #2802 of haiku-master-x86_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_hybrid/builds/2802[06:35:46] *** Nothing_Much has joined #haiku[06:40:04] <HAIKU-irker895> haiku.master: nielx * hrev50314 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=ecca8a59378d+%5E62f555d640dd[06:40:05] <HAIKU-irker895> ecca8a59378d: Update translations from Pootle[06:43:37] 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<miqlas-H> Mornin'[10:42:05] <humdinger> dto[10:42:28] *** ghost_rider has joined #haiku[10:42:34] <miqlas-H> humdinger: can you help me correcting my recipe?[10:42:47] <humdinger> I can try :)[10:43:10] <miqlas-H> Here is it: http://termbin.com/mwwj[10:43:30] <miqlas-H> It just can't find the normal package if i try to install the development hpkg.[10:43:46] *** Diver has quit IRC[10:44:25] <miqlas-H> I'm not really sure, but i think it is because ${secondaryArchSuffix}[10:44:48] <humdinger> you can remove all those if [ -z "$secondaryArchSuffix" ];then blocks[10:45:00] <humdinger> $${secondaryArchSuffix} takes care of that[10:46:08] <miqlas-H> ok, lemme try.[10:48:02] <miqlas-H> i thought it is required for gcc2 support.[10:48:11] <miqlas-H> this lib works with gcc2 too[10:49:11] <humdinger> the $secondaryArchSuffix does all the magic to adopt paths etc. to either x86 or x86_gcc2[10:49:14] *** Diver has joined #haiku[10:49:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Diver[10:49:49] <miqlas-H> Ok, i got it, but then why i see in some recipes this if -z things?[10:50:16] <miqlas-H> is it a small hack for selfish programs?[10:50:57] <humdinger> that's normally only used if for some architecture e.g. a command is /not/ provided[10:51:27] <miqlas-H> ok. thanks.[10:51:49] <miqlas-H> i make your proposed changes, now i got the gcc2 lib installed with dev hpkg.[10:51:57] <miqlas-H> now testing the gcc5 variant[10:53:09] <miqlas-H> My boss went to vacation, and i got the project leading position with the responsibility for the technical developement, and got 2 workmate to make the project.[10:53:32] <miqlas-H> From the next week i need to take the responsibility for the client-contact too.[10:53:45] <humdinger> ah, delegating work. your dream comes true :)[10:54:04] *** axeld has joined #haiku[10:54:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[10:54:06] <miqlas-H> It is escalated quickly[10:55:08] <humdinger> no more hanging about the pub all day...[10:55:43] <miqlas-H> yeah, but i'm resonsible for my workmates too. i never had to do that, and i got some strange guy. He have ADHS (Aufmerksamkeits-Defizit-Hyperaktivitäts-Störung)[10:56:07] <miqlas-H> So it is pretty chellenging to work with him[10:56:16] <miqlas-H> But i can handle that[10:56:35] <humdinger> a nice strong espresso in the morning and he's all set.[10:57:14] <miqlas-H> Not really :)[10:57:18] <miqlas-H> Oh: problem 1: nothing provides libpcre2_x86==10.21 needed by libpcre2_x86_devel-10.21-1[10:57:35] <miqlas-H> I made the changes, but it cannot find the installed x86 lib.[10:58:01] <miqlas-H> This is the recipe after the changes: http://termbin.com/hrv7[11:00:58] <miqlas-H> I have no idea, what's wrong here[11:01:43] <humdinger> Have you installed the libpcre2_x86 package you just built?[11:06:10] <miqlas-H> yep[11:06:37] <miqlas-H> but i just updated haiku some seconds before, maybe it isn't activated yet[11:07:03] <miqlas-H> after haiku update the package daemon works strangely[11:07:20] <miqlas-H> maybe i should reboot[11:15:30] *** kushalsingh007 has joined #haiku[11:16:16] <miqlas-H> I try to reboot then[11:16:19] <miqlas-H> brb[11:16:44] *** miqlas-H has quit IRC[11:17:53] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[11:18:10] *** miqlas-H has joined #haiku[11:18:22] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[11:20:18] <humdinger> I'm off preparing lunch. good luck miqlas-H. :)[11:20:34] <miqlas-H> Thanks, but it works now after reboot[11:20:44] <humdinger> cool![11:21:18] <miqlas-H> Bon apetit![11:21:26] <miqlas-H> btw greetings from pub.[11:21:58] <humdinger> I knew it! :)[11:22:01] * humdinger waves[11:22:04] *** humdinger has quit IRC[11:24:23] <miqlas-H> Yay! The nice girl is here again :)[11:24:58] <miqlas-H> And i was at the friseur today morning. She told I look really good now.[11:25:26] <miqlas-H> I'm just wondering how many nice childrens can we have.[11:30:21] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[11:34:16] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[11:35:22] <miqlas-H> One question:[11:35:30] <miqlas-H> i have a package what depend on libz[11:36:01] <miqlas-H> should i declare in devel:libz in requires_devel?[11:37:04] <miqlas-H> i mean should i declare the devel:libz in requires_devel?[11:44:07] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[11:53:03] <miqlas-H> brb[11:53:09] *** miqlas-H has quit IRC[12:01:39] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[12:06:21] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[12:09:55] *** jjido has joined #haiku[12:10:46] <Paradoxon> how do i prevent a BToolbar from making my window to wide..[12:26:39] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[12:26:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[12:27:56] <Paradoxon> moin Barret :)[12:33:48] *** Barrett has quit IRC[12:45:27] <Paradoxon> Anyone here who knows the layout api???[12:52:29] *** Negr0 has joined #haiku[13:08:14] *** ii-v has joined #haiku[13:16:23] *** jjido has quit IRC[13:23:27] *** tqh has quit IRC[13:23:59] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[13:23:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[13:37:52] *** Barrett has quit IRC[13:57:44] *** Carl_Miller has quit IRC[13:58:10] *** Carl_Miller has joined #haiku[14:01:12] *** rennj has quit IRC[14:14:10] *** ghost_rider has quit IRC[14:27:04] *** jjido has joined #haiku[14:44:15] *** miqlas_ has quit IRC[14:46:15] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[15:26:57] *** tqh has joined #haiku[15:26:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[15:33:48] *** gouchi has quit IRC[15:34:19] *** ii-v has quit IRC[15:50:02] *** jjido has quit IRC[15:54:49] *** ghost_rider has joined #haiku[15:59:38] *** ghost_rider has quit IRC[16:04:43] *** return0e has joined #haiku[16:06:47] *** ghost_rider has joined #haiku[16:07:28] *** ghost_rider has quit IRC[16:23:46] *** IIsi50MHz has quit IRC[16:24:59] *** IIsi50MHz has joined #haiku[16:36:22] *** arroyoc has joined #haiku[16:37:30] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[16:37:30] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[16:38:20] *** arroyoc has quit IRC[16:53:45] *** FreeFull has quit IRC[16:55:45] *** FreeFull has joined #haiku[17:10:23] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[17:10:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[17:16:11] <humdinger> Andrew linked to an early version of UltraDV: https://plus.google.com/110289314930207973642/posts/aEw3152wcnr[17:16:31] <humdinger> didn't find out yet how to play back... :}[17:17:19] <humdinger> Barrett: but it looks like you have your work cut out for you...[17:17:31] *** Nothing_Much has joined #haiku[17:17:37] *** tqh has quit IRC[17:18:29] <humdinger> ah, now I at least see some movie frames when scrubbing.[17:18:32] *** tqh has joined #haiku[17:18:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[17:25:40] <waddlesplash> humdinger: you merged Pete's Filer changes? NICE[17:26:29] <waddlesplash> humdinger: at this point, do you want to just take ownership of Filer?[17:26:30] <humdinger> waddlesplash: yep. he provided some patches and fixes and stuff.[17:26:48] <humdinger> yep. why not?[17:26:53] <waddlesplash> cool, let's do it[17:27:00] <humdinger> though I don't have further plans for now.[17:27:22] <waddlesplash> ok, I'll review your PR and merge it so then you can delete your fork and we can move the repo to you[17:27:24] <humdinger> maybe we could have a GCI task to change from sqlite to flattened BMessages[17:27:33] <humdinger> cool![17:27:45] <humdinger> Pete may look into some more features at a later time.[17:27:51] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[17:29:03] *** kushalsingh007 has quit IRC[17:29:18] <humdinger> waddlesplash: what do you think about the BePDF docs? the current recipe downloads the old PDFs. we should at least include the updated HTML.[17:29:28] <waddlesplash> I can probably rebuild the docs[17:29:46] <waddlesplash> ... er dang I don't have a working Linux VM anymore do I[17:29:57] <humdinger> yep. the "docs" branch builds alright, only not the PDF version.[17:30:11] * waddlesplash still wants to distribute docs in PDF form[17:30:26] <waddlesplash> it'd be kind of ironic otherwise :p[17:30:49] <humdinger> ah, piffle. :)[17:31:25] <humdinger> oh, I printf'ed the hell out of Filer. No wonder some's still left.[17:32:10] <humdinger> Also, Debugger was really a big help. I love breakpoints.[17:32:35] <humdinger> though I didn't look into it any deeper. Just stop and look at those variables.[17:32:54] *** tqh has quit IRC[17:32:57] <waddlesplash> you used Debugger? I suppose we can officially say "Welcome to the wonderful world of software development!" :)[17:33:16] <humdinger> used it before too. :)[17:36:30] <Barrett> humdinger, yeah I know[17:36:49] <Barrett> I've not tested it already[17:37:03] <Barrett> don't know how different is compared to the source[17:37:10] <humdinger> waddlesplash: something's strange... some of your comments are on an outdated diff (Filer)...[17:37:12] <Barrett> is it working better?[17:37:21] <waddlesplash> humdinger: yeah, ignore those apparently[17:37:26] <waddlesplash> just the last one then[17:37:31] <humdinger> Barrett: better as what?[17:37:50] <Barrett> better as the version of my repo[17:39:13] <humdinger> waddlesplash: I think the last one was by Pete... dunno why.[17:39:30] <waddlesplash> do you know enough about the code to remove it?[17:39:31] <humdinger> Barrett: I only had a look at the thing just posted by Andrew...[17:39:40] <humdinger> waddlesplash: I'll have a look.[17:39:50] <Barrett> ok[17:51:26] <humdinger> waddlesplash: Removing the MSG_VALUE_CHANGED case doesn't effect the app. Shall I remove and update the PR?[17:51:39] <waddlesplash> please do[17:53:14] <humdinger> done[17:54:15] <humdinger> Barrett: I took the liberty to grammaticorrect your recent blog post. That's OK, right?[17:58:06] *** tqh has joined #haiku[17:58:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[18:01:43] <Barrett> the problem is that I've to correct then the errors of who is editing[18:01:54] <Barrett> such as the ticket link pointing at the bad ticket[18:02:04] <Barrett> or in past lists broken at the bad point[18:02:32] <Barrett> and that's very annoying[18:03:06] *** vidrep has joined #haiku[18:03:21] <vidrep> Hi guys[18:03:50] <humdinger> okay. I didn't notice those errors. I'll keep myself in check then. :)[18:03:53] <humdinger> hi vidrep[18:04:23] <vidrep> Has anybody else noticed a delay in the deskbar appearacnce after booting?[18:04:31] <vidrep> appearance[18:04:54] <humdinger> nope. quick as ever[18:05:05] <vidrep> After updating from 50305 to 50309 there is a delay[18:05:43] <humdinger> 50314 here.[18:05:52] <vidrep> First blue screen, then folders, then deskbar[18:06:34] <humdinger> let me reboot quickl to check...[18:06:35] *** humdinger has quit IRC[18:07:16] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[18:07:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[18:07:50] <humdinger> it's blue screen for a milisecond, then Deskbar, then a milisecons later desktop background plus icons.[18:07:53] *** ii-v has joined #haiku[18:08:44] *** ghost_rider has joined #haiku[18:11:19] <vidrep> hmmm[18:11:46] <vidrep> I'll try a quick reboot to see if it happens again[18:11:49] *** vidrep has quit IRC[18:12:30] *** ghost_ri_ has joined #haiku[18:13:50] *** ghost_rider has quit IRC[18:15:56] *** vidrep has joined #haiku[18:17:55] <vidrep> I booted into 64 bit hrev50303, then a couple of boots to 32 bit hrev50314. There is a definite delay in comparison.[18:18:26] <vidrep> I'll update 64 bit so I'm comparing apples with apples[18:19:11] *** vidrep has quit IRC[18:19:14] <humdinger> hmmm. apples...[18:19:17] * humdinger is idle: dinner[18:20:27] <waddlesplash> LOL[18:20:43] <waddlesplash> BQueryPoseView::ShouldShowPose is never getting called[18:20:52] <waddlesplash> No wonder https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12640 is a bug[18:27:47] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[18:31:06] <Not-b880> [haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://git.io/vrsCH[18:31:07] <Not-b880> [haikuports] fbrosson a11c3b7 - aspell_nl: add Dutch dictionary for aspell.[18:32:16] <waddlesplash> you gotta be kidding me[18:32:17] *** ghost_ri_ has quit IRC[18:32:29] <waddlesplash> jam is calling "gcc-x86" instead of "g++-x86" for secondary arch[18:32:30] *** ghost_rider has joined #haiku[18:34:27] *** vidrep has joined #haiku[18:36:24] <vidrep> I deleted all of the previous states from 32 bit and both 32 and 64 bit are now running 50314.[18:37:06] <vidrep> After several boots I can say that whatever it is, it appears to happen only on 32 bit[18:38:51] <vidrep> It reminds me of booting BeOS, where you'd get the blue screen for a few seconds before the desktop appeared[18:39:53] *** DKnoto has joined #haiku[18:42:54] <vidrep> I just had a look through the IRC log for May 13. BrunoSpr was experiencing what appears to be the same issue.[18:43:04] <waddlesplash> odd[18:43:12] <waddlesplash> there were no changes which should've cause this[18:45:11] <vidrep> [21:08:09] <BrunoSpr> takes a lot of time for the Deskbar to show up ... what I have to delete to make Haiku start faster? Anyone an Idea? thx[18:45:26] <waddlesplash> odd[18:45:34] <waddlesplash> I'm on GCC2Hybrid and haven't seen this[18:45:50] <vidrep> Like I said, it isn't happening on 64 bit[18:46:50] <vidrep> On 64 bit the deskbar appears after a quick flash of blue screen[18:47:18] <vidrep> On 32 bit there is a delay of several seconds, which I have not seen previuosly[18:47:29] <vidrep> previously[18:47:48] <vidrep> Create a ticket??[18:48:11] <waddlesplash> I don't know[18:48:22] <waddlesplash> vidrep: what hrev are you on?[18:48:38] <waddlesplash> hrev50314?[18:49:03] <vidrep> x86_gcc2 hrev50314, and x86_64 hrev50314[18:49:13] <waddlesplash> both have this issue?[18:49:24] <vidrep> Only x86_gcc2[18:49:28] <waddlesplash> weird[18:49:29] <waddlesplash> really weird[18:49:45] <vidrep> x86_64 boots "normally"[18:49:58] <waddlesplash> file a ticket, I suppose...[18:51:14] <vidrep> I first noticed the issue after a pkgman update yesterday from hrev50305 to hrev50309[18:52:23] <vidrep> If I create a ticket, it is on record, and others can add further details if available[18:53:49] <waddlesplash> I suppose so[19:02:31] <Carl_Miller> Can I safely triple-boot Haiku alongside Windows and Linux? (GRUB is my bootloader)[19:03:24] * humdinger has returned[19:03:32] <waddlesplash> Carl_Miller: yes[19:03:40] <Carl_Miller> Sweet[19:03:42] <Carl_Miller> humdinger: wb[19:03:49] <humdinger> Carl_Miller: I suppose so. I dual-booted with linux that way for years.[19:04:34] <Carl_Miller> Ah[19:04:58] <Carl_Miller> Now you've got me wondering when Alpha 5 is going to be a thing XD[19:04:58] <humdinger> waddlesplash: If you're on the Tracker etc. bugtrail already, this ticket has been one of the most annoying for many months: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/11979[19:05:17] <humdinger> I prefer a beta1 :)[19:05:20] <waddlesplash> Carl_Miller: just use a nightly build :p[19:05:24] <waddlesplash> humdinger: I know :([19:05:31] <Carl_Miller> waddlesplash: I plan to[19:05:33] <waddlesplash> I think I caused that with the tracker_layout merge but I have no idea why[19:05:56] <humdinger> works for some, doesn't for others.[19:06:12] <waddlesplash> I thought I uncovered a crash that might've pointed me in the right direction but IDK now[19:07:13] *** BitPuffin|osx has joined #haiku[19:07:13] <humdinger> vidrep: I guess there's no clue in the syslog for your delay?[19:07:21] <humdinger> maybe add that, just in case.[19:07:31] <humdinger> (the syslog, that is)[19:08:16] <waddlesplash> aha, I located the bug[19:08:47] <humdinger> of #11979?[19:08:55] <vidrep> Ticket created #12782. I left it as "general", since I'm not sure what category this should be under.[19:09:00] <waddlesplash> humdinger: no, the other one[19:09:07] <humdinger> oh. :)[19:13:11] *** ghost_rider has quit IRC[19:14:02] *** vidrep has quit IRC[19:20:48] *** vidrep has joined #haiku[19:21:21] <vidrep> syslog attached[19:21:46] <vidrep> This isn't what I had in mind to do today...oh well[19:24:51] <HAIKU-irker895> haiku.master: waddlesplash * hrev50315 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=d455c57ea268+%5Eecca8a59378d[19:24:51] <waddlesplash> vidrep: it happens only on boot, right? so it's really just an annoyance[19:24:52] <HAIKU-irker895> d455c57ea268: Tracker: Change QueryPoseView over to using a BRefFilter.[19:26:59] <vidrep> Of course.[19:32:14] <Barrett> vidrep, hope it's not a my fault[19:32:37] <Barrett> 50305 - 50309[19:33:49] <Barrett> my last change was at hrev50294[19:36:46] <Barrett> it seems to me that certain problems are solved automatically when some unknown component is rebuilt[19:37:17] <Barrett> so if my theory is true vidrep you should try to compile an hrev50309 from scratch and see if the issue is still there[19:37:29] <Barrett> I assume you are using nightlies from our buildbots[19:37:39] <vidrep> I am[19:38:00] <Barrett> then if you want, do a jam clean and then jam @nightly-image[19:38:10] <Barrett> being sure you are at that hrev[19:38:46] <vidrep> My current x86_gcc2 is a series of pkgman updtaes, not a fresh install[19:39:03] <Barrett> that might be a clue too[19:39:12] <vidrep> I'll try a fresh install to see if the problem persists[19:39:40] <Barrett> also the Deskbar locking was inconsistent, I could reproduce it at the time the ticket was reported but after a few builds it disappeared[19:39:56] <Barrett> and we know it happened only on gcc2 strangely[19:40:29] *** ghost_rider has joined #haiku[19:40:46] <Barrett> just guessing, but I think I should create a memory verification tool too[19:42:19] <vidrep> I'll do a fresh install of x86_gcc2 now, just to make sure[19:42:25] <vidrep> brb[19:42:26] <Barrett> vidrep, thanks for testing[19:42:28] *** humdinger has quit IRC[19:42:30] *** vidrep has quit IRC[19:47:13] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #2636 of haiku-repository-x86_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_hybrid/builds/2636[19:47:45] <HAIKU-irker895> haiku.master: waddlesplash * hrev50316 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=49448867f5b7+%5Ed455c57ea268[19:47:47] <HAIKU-irker895> 49448867f5b7: FileTypes: Enable save menu item when changing version information of a resource.[19:54:36] *** vidrep has joined #haiku[19:55:01] <vidrep> Back on a fresh install and pkgman update to hrev50315[19:55:20] <vidrep> ...and no more delay[19:55:22] <waddlesplash> AAAAAA[19:55:30] <waddlesplash> what is THIS mess[19:55:42] <waddlesplash> there's like, a chain of 4 different functions to restore something from trash[19:57:56] <vidrep> Haiku has got to have the fastest install time of any OS out there.[19:58:01] <waddlesplash> it does[19:58:03] <waddlesplash> :)[19:58:59] <vidrep> From shutdown to install and a pkgman update, including blacklisting drivers, only 12 minutes[19:59:16] <waddlesplash> oh, what drivers do you blacklist?[19:59:25] <vidrep> Intel extreme[19:59:33] <waddlesplash> not fixed after kallisti5's changes?[19:59:38] <vidrep> Not mine[19:59:45] <waddlesplash> is there a bug reported?[20:00:00] <vidrep> HD4xxx are still bung[20:00:14] *** Nothing_Much has quit IRC[20:00:38] <vidrep> Several bug reports from different users[20:01:02] <Barrett> the intel hd of this laptop worked like a sharm, detecting the correct resolution too[20:01:31] <Barrett> now it seems broken, neither setting them manually restore things[20:02:26] <vidrep> kallisti opened a ticket today for i945g, which used to work[20:03:45] <vidrep> I'll try one more reboot, just to make sure of this delay business[20:03:51] <vidrep> brb[20:03:54] *** vidrep has quit IRC[20:05:12] *** vidrep has joined #haiku[20:05:29] <vidrep> Working OK now[20:05:53] <vidrep> Leave the ticket open...just in case[20:06:31] <vidrep> Barrett, you're off the hook for now :)[20:20:36] <Barrett> yep I'm working now[20:21:40] *** kushalsingh007 has joined #haiku[20:24:33] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #2713 of haiku-repository-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed jam @release-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/2713 blamelist: Mark Hellegers <mark at firedisk dot net>[20:27:22] *** BitPuffin|osx has quit IRC[20:28:54] *** tqh has quit IRC[20:46:34] *** gouchi has joined #haiku[20:48:57] *** leszek has joined #haiku[20:54:42] *** jjido has joined #haiku[20:59:39] *** jjido has quit IRC[21:00:16] *** Barrett has quit IRC[21:16:18] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[21:16:18] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[21:17:20] *** 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