May 12, 2016 
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May 12, 2016 [00:01:51] *** BrunoSpr has joined #haiku[00:01:58] <BrunoSpr> hi all[00:02:20] <BrunoSpr> quake 2 is running but with clutterd sound isnt it?[00:03:01] <BrunoSpr> maybe the refresh is too low?[00:24:03] *** BrunoSpr has quit IRC[00:26:19] *** vidrep has joined #haiku[00:28:03] *** dograt has quit IRC[00:29:23] *** dograt has joined #haiku[00:34:48] <Barrett> hey vidrep[00:38:22] <vidrep> Hey Barrett[00:38:56] <vidrep> brb[00:38:58] *** vidrep has quit IRC[00:43:00] <Barrett> https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/barrett/2016-05-11_streaming_support_and_mediakit_development_report_5[00:50:38] *** nighty has quit IRC[00:58:34] *** vidrep has joined #haiku[00:58:44] <vidrep> Barrett, soory about that[00:58:49] <vidrep> sorry[01:01:49] <Barrett> vidrep, It seems I disappeared but I'm here :-)[01:04:15] <Barrett> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12594#comment:7[01:04:28] <Barrett> ffmpeg kills again?[01:04:36] <vidrep> I see you provided a link to your "weekly" report[01:12:23] *** zzzzzzzz1 has joined #haiku[01:13:03] *** Edwinr has quit IRC[01:13:05] <vidrep> I wonder what he's using to test ffmpeg? gcc2 works for me[01:13:19] *** Edwinr has joined #haiku[01:13:27] <Barrett> I think he is suffering of two different issues[01:13:48] *** zzzzzzzzz has quit IRC[01:13:58] <vidrep> I know gcc4 builds are still bad[01:14:15] <Barrett> one is that the events aren't played as well the other is ffmpeg playback problems[01:14:35] <Barrett> generally, to test just the media_kit, the ToneProducer is perfect[01:15:07] <vidrep> I have 64 bit installed, and it's practically usless right now - too many broken libs and apps[01:16:00] <vidrep> I'm trying to find something useful to do to help this project[01:18:15] <vidrep> I've created bug reports for every issue I could indentify on my PC's for the past couple of years, but there has been minimal response.[01:22:26] <Barrett> I'm not sure where the project is going, I'm sometimes puzzled by the fact that the beta is there but we still don't push it[01:23:13] <Barrett> I understand anyway that fixing bugs takes a lot of time[01:24:01] <vidrep> If we can't achieve "feature completeness" in the short term, then why not polish up what we have now and release another alpha ?[01:24:22] <Barrett> we are feature complete[01:24:50] <Barrett> I think the only thing remaining are some bad bugs at this point[01:25:31] <Barrett> vidrep, the problem is the package infrastructure and until it isn't deployed we can't offer upgrade from beta to upper versions[01:26:11] <vidrep> For sure we've made a lot of progress since A4. But at the same time there have been several regressions - things that worked on A4, but don't work now[01:26:56] <Barrett> yeah and it's also the disadvantage compared to linux bazar[01:27:07] <vidrep> Time and manp[ower are the maion issues. We have little of either[01:27:18] <Barrett> when Debian make a release they can still pick older stable versions of the software[01:27:26] <Barrett> and plan to upgrade in the next months[01:27:55] <Barrett> for us picking an alpha4 component and pull it in the beta is impossible almost in all the useful cases[01:28:53] <Barrett> it's not just a thing of picking packages as we have the whole system in one tree and everything is integrated[01:29:30] *** Negr0 has quit IRC[01:29:37] <Barrett> vidrep, I think generally Haiku lacks a unique vision[01:29:57] <Barrett> that's the problem, there's not a defined development direction[01:30:14] <vidrep> The package building thing seems to have fallen by the wayside. At one time it was deemed an essential component before we could go Beta[01:30:45] <Barrett> yeah it is[01:32:48] <Barrett> my suggestion is to don't get into the vortex, help when you can but don't get mad because you can't[01:33:59] *** nighty- has quit IRC[01:34:04] <vidrep> What Haiku needs is the "benevolent dictator " that Phipps wrote about when he left[01:34:13] *** nighty- has joined #haiku[01:35:18] *** stippi_ has quit IRC[01:36:00] <Barrett> or maybe we need just a senatus[01:36:21] <vidrep> You're right about the "vortex"[01:37:03] *** stippi has joined #haiku[01:37:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[01:38:23] <Barrett> for example I've observed that compared to the early years usergroups are more or less dead[01:39:31] <Barrett> this is good for some aspect and bad for others, it's also hard to interpret[01:39:48] <Barrett> people is less worried about english nowadays for example[01:40:03] <Barrett> but it's not necessarily the only reason[01:41:07] <vidrep> We do what we can.[01:42:43] <vidrep> I think one way we could focus would be to limit the type of hardware we target as Haiku compatable[01:44:55] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[01:45:16] <Barrett> yes has been proposed various time[01:45:43] <Barrett> here usual problems returns, how can we target an hardware being sure we will have the development force to support it completely?[01:45:48] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[01:45:49] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[01:46:02] <Barrett> and if that hardware becomes old in the meantime?[01:46:10] <Barrett> and who will guide that effort?[01:46:33] <vidrep> Pick particuar hardware that we already know works well on Haiku, and optimize its performance[01:46:34] <Barrett> (I'm all too for this, just pointing out the discussion problems)[01:47:04] <vidrep> I've read the discussions as well.[01:47:19] <Barrett> the minnowboard and similar uefi only hardware is interesting[01:48:44] <Barrett> vidrep, for example let's take skylake[01:49:25] <Barrett> after the summer will be presented a new architecture from intel[01:49:37] <vidrep> For example: I have tested Epson printers on Haiku a fair bit. Lately, I have been feeding my test results to the Gutenprint devs[01:50:34] <vidrep> They were quite receptive to receiving my feedback[01:50:48] <Barrett> I think Haiku was enough lucky that the latest 10 years the computers evolved slightly[01:51:22] <vidrep> Keeping up with the latest hardware is going to be a challenge[01:53:00] <vidrep> That's why we need to identify what works and narrow the focus.[01:54:28] <vidrep> Too bad ValeT was unable to continue his work on the hardware database[01:56:04] <vidrep> Anyway, enough of that...Tell me about your MediaKit work![01:56:16] *** nighty has joined #haiku[01:56:40] <Barrett> vidrep, my vision of Haiku is to return to the BeOS focus[01:56:54] <Barrett> where the system is something targeted at audio/video[01:58:12] <Barrett> going to sleep[01:58:15] <Barrett> bye[01:58:39] *** Barrett has quit IRC[02:00:45] *** Negr0 has joined #haiku[02:07:24] *** return0e has joined #haiku[02:18:37] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:24:31] *** vidrep has 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from pciids.sourceforge.net[05:32:57] *** Negr0 has quit IRC[06:00:33] *** eschatologist has quit IRC[06:02:38] *** rennj has joined #haiku[06:04:59] *** stippi_ has quit IRC[06:05:36] *** stippi has joined #haiku[06:05:36] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[06:08:27] *** stippi_ has joined #haiku[06:08:41] *** stippi has quit IRC[06:21:54] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2795 of haiku-master-x86_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_hybrid/builds/2795[06:22:13] *** eschatologist has joined #haiku[06:45:29] *** ii-v has joined #haiku[06:46:44] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[06:48:08] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[07:05:13] *** rennj has quit IRC[07:06:08] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[07:06:44] *** rennj has joined #haiku[07:18:37] *** eschatologist has quit IRC[07:23:33] *** miqlas has quit IRC[07:29:24] *** ii-v has quit IRC[07:45:59] *** stippi_ has quit IRC[07:46:15] *** stippi has joined #haiku[07:46:15] 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[+0/-1/±0] https://git.io/vrt40[09:55:20] <Not-b880> [haikuports] korli 202495c - blender: remove old recipe.[09:57:31] *** Nothing_Much has joined #haiku[10:05:09] *** Nothing_Much has quit IRC[10:05:29] *** Nothing_Much has joined #haiku[10:05:46] *** stippi has quit IRC[10:06:20] *** stippi has joined #haiku[10:06:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[10:49:27] *** leszek has joined #haiku[10:51:48] *** gouchi has joined #haiku[11:17:05] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[11:17:08] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[11:17:34] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[11:41:03] *** Nothing_Much has quit IRC[11:59:56] *** stippi has quit IRC[12:01:30] *** stippi has joined #haiku[12:01:30] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[12:04:34] *** stippi has quit IRC[12:05:18] *** stippi has joined #haiku[12:05:18] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[12:17:25] *** stippi has quit IRC[12:17:28] *** stippi_ has joined #haiku[12:18:59] *** nighty has quit IRC[12:20:31] *** Akuji has quit IRC[12:31:12] *** GeneralDuke has quit IRC[12:33:16] *** dsjonny has joined #haiku[12:33:31] <dsjonny> Hi![12:33:57] <dsjonny> Can somebody tell me where can I check if my motherboard's chipset is supported by Haiku?[12:34:41] <dsjonny> I got an MSI board with Z170 chipset, but unameble to boot Haiku, because boot device not found.[12:41:42] *** kushalsingh007 has quit IRC[12:45:05] *** stippi_ has quit IRC[12:45:39] *** nighty has joined #haiku[12:46:27] *** stippi has joined #haiku[12:46:27] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[12:48:49] *** stippi_ has joined #haiku[12:51:09] *** stippi has quit IRC[12:52:42] *** nighty has quit IRC[13:00:46] *** pixdamix has joined #haiku[13:01:40] *** GeneralDuke has joined #haiku[13:03:24] *** pixdamix has quit IRC[13:03:50] *** pixdamix has joined #haiku[13:07:54] *** stippi has joined #haiku[13:07:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[13:07:54] *** stippi_ has quit IRC[13:16:14] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[13:24:25] *** jstressman has quit IRC[13:25:43] *** BitPuffin has quit 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has joined #haiku[14:51:36] *** dorje has quit IRC[15:46:00] *** jjido has joined #haiku[15:52:44] *** tojoko has joined #haiku[15:52:47] <tojoko> hi[16:09:37] *** ii-v has quit IRC[16:10:56] *** jstressman has joined #haiku[16:16:56] *** ii-v has joined #haiku[16:24:13] *** kallisti5 has quit IRC[16:25:01] *** Cenbe has quit IRC[16:25:15] *** kallisti5 has joined #haiku[16:25:16] *** Cenbe has joined #haiku[16:25:16] *** Cenbe has joined #haiku[16:31:07] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[16:31:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[16:36:16] *** dorje has joined #haiku[16:36:53] *** DKnoto_W has quit IRC[16:40:02] *** rpcope has quit IRC[16:43:05] *** tojoko has left #haiku[16:46:50] *** rpcope has joined #haiku[16:58:18] *** Akuji has quit IRC[17:02:50] *** HAIKU-irker895 has joined #haiku[17:02:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v HAIKU-irker895[17:03:20] <HAIKU-irker895> haiku.master: humdinger * hrev50305 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=b2d167b10674+%5Efa7ef7610804[17:03:21] <HAIKU-irker895> b2d167b10674: Updated WebPositive bookmarks[17:23:13] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[17:28:21] *** GeneralDuke has quit IRC[17:41:16] *** stippi_ has quit IRC[17:42:03] *** stippi has joined #haiku[17:42:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[17:51:06] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[18:00:53] *** DKnoto_W has joined #haiku[18:04:50] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:04:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[18:08:42] *** dorje has quit IRC[18:12:59] *** stippi_ has joined #haiku[18:15:36] *** stippi has quit IRC[18:18:06] *** jstressman has quit IRC[18:18:13] *** xcor has quit IRC[18:20:30] *** xcor has joined #haiku[18:24:30] *** vidrep has joined #haiku[18:27:26] <vidrep> Hi[18:31:14] *** stippi has joined #haiku[18:31:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[18:38:21] *** stippi_ has quit IRC[18:39:04] *** jstressman has joined #haiku[18:39:17] *** stippi_ has joined #haiku[18:45:05] *** stippi has quit IRC[18:45:41] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[18:45:41] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[18:45:52] *** leszek has quit IRC[18:45:56] *** kushalsingh007 has quit IRC[18:47:09] *** dorje has joined #haiku[18:47:24] <vidrep> humdinger, I updated to hrev50305 and am still seeing source[18:48:29] <humdinger> vidrep: strange. you do use the userguide "Launcher"?[18:50:21] <vidrep> Bookmarks->Documentation->Welcome[18:50:41] <vidrep> Bookmarks->Documentation->Userguide[18:51:50] <vidrep> Clicking the "home" icon also brings up the same[18:51:55] <humdinger> I think you'll have to remove the "Loader" folder in the WebPPositive settings as it otherwise won't be replaced by the newer version.[18:52:42] <vidrep> So, this fix will only appear in a fresh install. Older install will need to be manually fixed?[18:53:14] <humdinger> I think so. also, since the bookmarks etc. are not in a hpkg, it won't update in the usual way.[18:53:25] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #2796 of haiku-master-x86_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed jam @release-raw] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_hybrid/builds/2796 blamelist: Humdinger <humdingerb at gmail dot com>[18:53:33] *** analognoise has joined #haiku[18:53:35] <humdinger> they are packed as "optional package" in the build process[18:54:23] <humdinger> you can download manually from here: http://haiku-files.org/files/optional-packages/[18:57:28] *** dorje has quit IRC[18:58:59] *** tqh has quit IRC[18:59:04] <vidrep> That worked[19:01:39] *** magnus_ has joined #haiku[19:02:23] <bbjimmy> Why is there a link here, http://pulkomandy.tk/~beosarchive/about.html ( nothing to do with haiku ) on the welcome page?[19:03:23] *** Konny has joined #haiku[19:03:25] <bbjimmy> The page is all about the Amstrad CPC[19:04:28] <humdinger> looks like adrien has messed up his beosarchive about page...[19:04:37] <vidrep> The link takes you to the Shinra website[19:06:02] <bbjimmy> I think it should be replaced with http://clasquin-johnson.co.za/michel/repo[19:06:43] *** jjido has quit IRC[19:06:44] <bbjimmy> an actual .hpkg repo[19:06:44] <humdinger> why replace instead of added?[19:07:11] <bbjimmy> Amstrad CPC?[19:07:29] <humdinger> [19:04] <humdinger> looks like adrien has messed up his beosarchive about page...[19:09:55] *** dorje has joined #haiku[19:11:24] *** Malmis has quit IRC[19:12:10] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[19:16:35] *** dorje has quit IRC[19:16:48] *** vdamewood has joined #haiku[19:20:48] *** DKnoto_W has quit IRC[19:22:34] *** stippi_ has quit IRC[19:22:39] *** stippi has joined #haiku[19:22:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[19:22:46] *** magnus_ has quit IRC[19:24:51] *** humdinger has quit IRC[19:32:24] *** {V} has quit IRC[19:43:55] *** {V} has joined #haiku[19:51:41] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[19:51:41] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[19:55:41] *** Barrett has quit IRC[20:00:26] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[20:00:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[20:06:03] *** Barrett has quit IRC[20:15:22] *** Nothing_Much has joined #haiku[20:18:41] *** gouchi has quit IRC[20:21:35] *** return0e has joined #haiku[20:23:08] *** gouchi has joined #haiku[20:24:22] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[20:32:40] *** Konny has quit IRC[20:40:07] *** BrunoSpr has joined #haiku[20:40:13] <BrunoSpr> hello all[20:43:59] <analognoise> BrunoSpr, Hello[20:51:41] <BrunoSpr> Just tried to play quake 2[20:52:06] <BrunoSpr> It is working but with cluttered sound[20:57:53] *** Akuji has quit IRC[21:00:30] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[21:03:02] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[21:03:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[21:03:46] *** Akuji has quit IRC[21:05:37] *** vidrep has quit IRC[21:08:59] *** dorje has joined #haiku[21:14:19] *** leszek has joined #haiku[21:14:44] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[21:14:58] *** dorje has left #haiku[21:23:15] *** tqh has joined #haiku[21:23:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[21:23:44] *** soakbot has quit IRC[21:23:57] *** soakbot has joined #haiku[21:23:58] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[21:34:03] *** pdziepak has joined #haiku[21:34:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o pdziepak[21:39:49] *** Akuji_ has joined #haiku[21:40:09] *** Akuji has quit IRC[21:46:36] *** Konny has joined #haiku[21:52:09] *** ii-v has quit IRC[22:00:41] <Not-b880> [haikuports] korli pushed 3 commits to master [+6/-6/±0] https://git.io/vrmBm[22:00:42] <Not-b880> [haikuports] korli d7d85bf - subversion: bump version.[22:00:44] <Not-b880> [haikuports] korli aab134b - file: bump version.[22:00:45] <Not-b880> [haikuports] korli 2e4c8b9 - weechat: bump version.[22:10:16] *** Nightgale has joined #haiku[22:12:27] *** Akuji_ has quit IRC[22:16:06] *** leszek has quit IRC[22:28:45] *** Konny has quit IRC[22:29:08] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[22:30:25] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[22:34:07] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[22:45:37] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:48:58] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[23:10:38] *** stippi has quit IRC[23:12:52] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[23:17:39] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[23:52:36] *** BrunoSpr has quit IRC[23:59:41] *** DKnoto has quit IRC