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[00:57:16] <mmu_man> Use NetSurf :D
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[04:00:47] <Not-b880> [haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://git.io/vwFYE
[04:00:49] <Not-b880> [haikuports] fbrosson 4356f9f - aspell_uk: add Ukrainian (Українська) dictionary for aspell.
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[05:20:26] <HAIKU-irker726> haiku.master: autocommitter * hrev50282 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=fac6ada134cb+%5E11ece1736cf1
[05:20:27] <HAIKU-irker726> fac6ada134cb: Update pci.ids from pciids.sourceforge.net
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[05:28:34] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2789 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2 is complete: Failure [failed] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2/builds/2789 blamelist: Automatic Committer <autocommitter at haiku-os dot org>
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[07:49:12] <Matu> some speak spanish?
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[11:05:56] <Paradoxon> oh mann i hate this layout code .. it never works like expected.. args...
[11:06:40] <Paradoxon> how do i make a BTextview filling the whole Area when i add it to a BGroup Layout
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[11:14:14] <humdinger> Paradoxon: I recently fought with that same thing.
[11:14:19] <humdinger> See https://github.com/HaikuArchives/Filer/blob/master/sources/HelpTab.cpp#L97
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[11:15:01] <humdinger> It seems to be essential to SetExplicitMaxSize() all the widgets in your view.
[11:15:37] <humdinger> and for the BTextView, GetHeightForWidth() is used becuase BTextViews don't yet play well with layouting.
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[11:15:58] <humdinger> I got helpful replies on the 3rd party ml from ingo.
[11:16:09] <humdinger> looking...
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[11:16:39] <Paradoxon> again i understand why i stopped developing once i tried to bring my stuff to layout system ... at least for me ... its horrible
[11:16:57] <Paradoxon> sorry.. i am just angry... thats everything is not working
[11:17:02] <Paradoxon> or frustrated
[11:18:38] <humdinger> it's a learning curve.
[11:18:56] <humdinger> but I prefer it to the manual +x here, +x there...
[11:19:06] <Paradoxon> i tried it years ago ... wasting 2 Weeks..
[11:19:07] <humdinger> verything breaking when you add other widgets...
[11:19:15] <humdinger> that was much more frustrating.
[11:19:44] <humdinger> also: you're free to keep doing it exactly as you used to.
[11:19:56] <humdinger> the non-layout contructors are all still there. :)
[11:19:57] <Paradoxon> worked better ..
[11:19:58] <Paradoxon> :-D
[11:20:04] <Paradoxon> and where faster to develop
[11:20:16] <Paradoxon> also it hat a little layoutcode in it
[11:20:17] <Paradoxon> ..
[11:20:19] <humdinger> as I said, all still there
[11:20:24] <Paradoxon> i know
[11:20:48] <Paradoxon> but it cant be the goal to spent hours of developer time to develop a widle used layoutsystem
[11:20:53] <Paradoxon> wich then is not usefull
[11:21:23] <Paradoxon> only if you "learnd" all the "special" unexpected behaviors for month
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[11:22:33] <humdinger> I spent a few hours over the past weeks to get to grips with it.
[11:22:56] <Paradoxon> i just getting back to it.. after i quit developing because of this years ago
[11:23:08] <Paradoxon> i mean quit developing for haiku
[11:23:13] <humdinger> Not sure I really know what I'm doing all the time, but I now know more than before and have some more examples how to achive waht.
[11:23:35] <humdinger> [11:20] <humdinger> as I said, all still there
[11:23:41] <Paradoxon> :-D
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[11:24:20] <humdinger> Here's Ingo's mail: https://www.freelists.org/post/haiku-3rdparty-dev/Layouting-question,5
[11:25:06] <Paradoxon> i thought have have scanned over it ... some days ago..
[11:25:27] <Paradoxon> but thanks for the link.. since mail doesent work
[11:25:29] <Paradoxon> here
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[11:37:03] <Paradoxon> The SetExplicitMaxSize didnt worke
[11:37:04] <Paradoxon> d
[11:37:06] <Paradoxon> :/
[11:37:48] <humdinger> Paradoxon: I'm about to go to lunch, but maybe you can pastebin the source?
[11:39:10] <Paradoxon> i will fiddle around a little bit..
[11:39:14] <Paradoxon> maybe later.
[11:39:21] <Paradoxon> ... :-D
[11:39:25] <humdinger> ok
[11:39:28] <humdinger> then lunch
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[12:52:16] <Not-b880> [haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-1/±0] https://git.io/vwF5t
[12:52:17] <Not-b880> [haikuports] korli bdbf7ce - gcc6: update recipe to 6.1.0.
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[12:57:08] <tojoko> hi
[12:57:11] <tojoko> I'm lost
[12:57:22] <tojoko> anybody already awake?
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[12:58:24] <tojoko> hi mattlacey
[12:58:35] <mattlacey> hi
[12:58:46] <tojoko> are u an expert?
[13:03:19] <tojoko> Maybe even a wizard!?
[13:03:44] <tojoko> ok, different question, anybody know where to obtain nightly hrev48752 ?
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[13:17:58] <mattlacey> tojoko: afraid not :)
[13:18:21] <mattlacey> I'm more of a watching-from-the-sidelines-since-the-start person
[13:18:23] <mattlacey> :)
[13:19:41] <tojoko> i guess i switch to there too.
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[13:23:11] <Paradoxon> humdinger: https://github.com/Paradoxianer/StyledEditPlus/blob/haiku_depot_textview/textview/TextDocumentTest.cpp#L44
[13:23:31] <Paradoxon> tojoko you can find it online where you also can find the currrent one
[13:24:04] <Paradoxon> instead of current replace it with the hrev
[13:25:39] <tojoko> no, i can't i tried. i tried very hard. my notebook should be supported, forum says. i can't get it to boot. i can't get any support. and haiku on a stick creates me an unbootable stick (thought the problem would be my programm maybe, so tried haiku on a stick). It's a pitty.
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[13:26:59] <tojoko> i don't even find any support on which boot options would be recommanded.
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[13:33:03] <Paradoxon> tojoko how did you installed haiku on the stick?
[13:34:16] <Paradoxon> tojoko one trick wich worked for me.. was to install the bootman onto the stick and set the bootmenu timer to 0
[13:35:15] <Paradoxon> tojoko also the user guide should explane the most of the boot options: https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/contents.html
[13:36:37] <Paradoxon> tojoko you can find different hints also here: https://download.haiku-os.org/
[13:36:46] <Paradoxon> old revsions are found here: http://www.haiku-files.org/haiku/development/
[13:36:54] <tojoko> well i tried haikuonastick with the anyboot image, that is pretty straight forward but didn't do any good. now i'm usin a small tool called USB Image Tool but it crashed on bootup. So, i don't know if the stick is broken or if it's something else, since it happens on almost any computer i try.
[13:37:37] <tojoko> that user guide for the most boot options is completely useless, since it doesn't give me any hint what to try.
[13:38:07] <tojoko> which bootman?
[13:38:07] <Paradoxon> tojoko but you can reach the boot options?
[13:38:18] <tojoko> yes
[13:38:41] <Paradoxon> ok so the first thing to try .. is to enable safe mode
[13:38:41] <Paradoxon> and also fails safe video mode
[13:38:54] <Paradoxon> thats normally the one wich helps you the most
[13:39:29] <Paradoxon> so if you already booting haiku you dont need bootman
[13:40:19] <tojoko> ok
[13:40:25] <Paradoxon> its a programm located in /boot/system/apps/BootManager
[13:40:39] <Paradoxon> helps you normally to multiboot differnt os
[13:40:57] <Paradoxon> ok but if you already further.. thats really good
[13:41:02] <Paradoxon> tryt this both settings..
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[13:41:52] <tojoko> i am
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[13:42:40] <tojoko> did so
[13:42:56] <Paradoxon> so if this dont help select all "safe mode options"
[13:43:18] <tojoko> and ... landed in kdl again - i will try again with them all enabled.
[13:43:23] <Paradoxon> ok
[13:43:24] <Paradoxon> wait
[13:43:32] <Paradoxon> go to Select debug options
[13:43:39] <Paradoxon> Enable on screen debug output
[13:43:49] <Paradoxon> and then you can see where its "crashing"
[13:44:10] <Paradoxon> but with all safe modes enabled :-D
[13:44:57] <Paradoxon> humdinger the source is completly written buy stippi actually its only the testapp for the new written TextView from him
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[13:48:48] <tojoko> ok, thank u, i'm now saving syslog01.txt
[13:49:45] <tojoko> Paradoxon, could u please try havin' a look if u find hrev48752 compiled`?
[13:50:53] <Paradoxon> no
[13:51:05] <Paradoxon> there is only some before and some revs behind
[13:51:11] <Paradoxon> https://download.haiku-os.org/nightly-images/x86_gcc2_hybrid/
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[13:51:50] <Paradoxon> you can get either hrev48786 or hrev48309
[13:51:57] <tojoko> thanks.
[13:52:10] <Paradoxon> where this the last one wich worked for you?
[13:52:43] <tojoko> well, that's what i read here https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/11947
[13:57:10] <tojoko> ok, and any other idea how to install it on a netbook without bootin' from usb?
[13:59:17] <Paradoxon> shure
[13:59:34] <Paradoxon> create a partition on the netbook
[13:59:40] <Paradoxon> format it as befs
[14:00:02] <Paradoxon> then run the installer from the usb stick
[14:00:27] <Paradoxon> and choos as target the formatted partition
[14:00:27] <Paradoxon> for you booting problem
[14:01:00] <Paradoxon> i would suggest to "blacklist" the aetheros wifi driver https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/bootloader.html#troubleshooting
[14:01:10] <tojoko> r u kiddin'? i can'T boot from the usb stick.
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[14:01:48] <Paradoxon> no i am not kidding
[14:01:56] <Paradoxon> it sounde like you where able to boot
[14:02:24] <Paradoxon> did you tried blacklisting the aetheros wifi driver?
[14:02:25] <tojoko> sure - but is there an text installer? if i try to boot into the guy, all i get is kdl.
[14:02:42] <tojoko> not yet, i will now - although i don't expect that to do any good.
[14:02:53] <Paradoxon> no haiku is all about gui ;-D
[14:03:04] <Paradoxon> can you enable the debug output
[14:03:14] <Paradoxon> so we can now when it´s crashing?
[14:05:04] <tojoko> yep
[14:06:13] <tojoko> i hope he still gives me kdl, maybe i should turn off debuging output. But it stilled crashed.
[14:07:58] <Paradoxon> ok just to understand it right... you enabled all safe mode options, blacklistes aetheros wifi and enbaled debugging output and it still crashed?
[14:08:07] <Paradoxon> what was the last you could see?
[14:08:29] <Paradoxon> what does Display syslog from previous session show you?
[14:08:46] <tojoko> now this time it was something connected to vesa, init succesfullly, next thing failed.
[14:08:53] <tojoko> i
[14:09:15] <tojoko> I'm gona open a ticket, i think. or what should i do?
[14:13:06] <tojoko> it seemed to work now, i turned of vesa - but of course that couldn't work. :)
[14:13:28] <Paradoxon> :-D
[14:14:05] <tojoko> since it's required, if i turn on vesa, i guess. ^^ i will no turn off all debug options and do one last try. hopeing for kdl.
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[14:28:05] <tojoko> Paradoxon: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12749
[14:30:35] <Paradoxon> tojoko how did you get acces to the syslog?
[14:31:18] <Paradoxon> tojoko can you see the boot icons?
[14:32:23] <tojoko> yes, i can see the boot icons. the syslog is saved after reboot and u can enter it from the boot options.
[14:32:55] <Paradoxon> hmm interesting but how did you get them online.. :-D
[14:32:58] <Paradoxon> you are pro
[14:33:01] <Paradoxon> :-D
[14:33:56] <Paradoxon> ok the syslogs are from different safe_modes
[14:33:58] <Paradoxon> ?
[14:34:00] <Paradoxon> i guess
[14:34:57] <tojoko> yes.
[14:35:58] <tojoko> nope, just do a reboot and u should find that option too, no shutdown, just a reboot. i don't know how they are doin' it. Trick is, u have to have a fat32 partition around.
[14:36:02] <Paradoxon> you tried with all safe modes enabled.. and also did you choos a resolution?
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[14:48:17] <tojoko> no, did not choose any resolution, should i? like 100x150 or so!? ;)
[14:49:23] <Paradoxon> ;-D
[14:49:23] <Paradoxon> jep
[14:49:30] <Paradoxon> i would suggest at least 640 :-D
[14:49:41] <Paradoxon> else you will (if it works) only see the haiku menu :-D
[14:49:44] <Paradoxon> lol
[14:50:00] <tojoko> well, doesn'T matter anyhow
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[14:52:29] <tojoko> well, did so, it was the smallest i could choose
[14:52:43] <Paradoxon> :-D
[14:54:22] <tojoko> it just can't find any boot partition. don't know. i guess i maybe give it another try by bootin' linux from a stick and rawwrite it to the disk.
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[14:57:05] <Paradoxon> tojoko did you tried one of the last hrevs?
[14:57:16] <Paradoxon> bevore?
[14:57:25] <Paradoxon> sometimes things get fixed ;-)
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[15:06:10] <tojoko> well, i'm downloadin' the latetest right now, but i don't expect anything.
[15:08:18] <Paradoxon> :-D
[15:11:17] <Paradoxon> Which lib do i need for the private/share/BToolBar ?
[15:19:48] <Paradoxon> ok found it :/
[15:20:42] <Not-b880> [haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://git.io/vwbtp
[15:20:43] <Not-b880> [haikuports] korli 2e7bf6d - isl: bump version.
[15:21:23] <HAIKU-irker726> haiku.master: korli * hrev50283 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=07215f2aff28+%5Efac6ada134cb
[15:21:24] <HAIKU-irker726> 07215f2aff28: Update mpfr package for x86_64.
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[15:55:25] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2697 of haiku-master-x86 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86/builds/2697
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[15:57:46] <Dane> One thing that's funky about Haiku is that it indicates it is done copying to a USB device long before writing is actually completed. That makes it tricky to know when it's safe to unmount the USB stick or drive. Is there any trick that could be used to view write activity to the USB, to confirm when it's actually done?
[15:58:25] <tsyesika> the sync command maybe?
[15:59:01] <tsyesika> It's what i usually do when i've copied, when "sync" finishes i know it's good to unmount
[16:00:03] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2790 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2/builds/2790
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[16:07:39] <tojoko> Dane, is' there a difference to windows?
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[16:09:10] <Dane> tsyesika Oh, that's really helpful, thanks!
[16:09:33] <Dane> tojoko Yes, to my knowledge, when Windows indicates it is done copying, you can unmount the USB drive
[16:10:31] <tsyesika> Dane: no problem :)
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[16:12:12] <tojoko> Dane, well, it mostly works i guess, but some people disconnect or eject the usb stick bevor plugin it of, because the puffer might not be flushed (what is consistent to the standard, iiic).
[16:15:25] <tsyesika> tojoko: well it can take several minutes to finish. It works differently to lot of systems because on most as Dane said you can simply unmount once the copy dialog closes. Typically run that command wait a few minutes until it's done and then unmount, can be a bit frustrating because you don't know how long it'll take to finish
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[16:18:01] <tsyesika> I'm wondering if IMAP is working for anyone, i don't see any issue about it.
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[16:23:32] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2751 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/2751
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[18:21:42] <HAIKU-irker726> haiku.master: korli * hrev50284 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=c9dba74273d3+%5E07215f2aff28
[18:21:43] <HAIKU-irker726> c9dba74273d3: Added some support for GCC 7.
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[21:37:38] <Not-b880> [haikuports] korli pushed 2 commits to master [+2/-0/±1] https://git.io/vwNsv
[21:37:40] <Not-b880> [haikuports] korli eeef426 - gcc6: fix provides for x86 secondary arch.
[21:37:41] <Not-b880> [haikuports] korli b10377b - gcc7: add git recipe.
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[21:53:55] <Not-b880> [haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+4/-4/±0] https://git.io/vwNZ4
[21:53:56] <Not-b880> [haikuports] fbrosson 2de9919 - openssl: bump to 1.0.1t and 1.0.2h.
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[21:55:00] <Not-b880> [haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://git.io/vwNZK
[21:55:01] <Not-b880> [haikuports] fbrosson ee62127 - libgpg_error: bump to 1.22 and enable x86_gcc2 as 2nd arch.
[22:04:02] <Not-b880> [haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://git.io/vwNcc
[22:04:06] <Not-b880> [haikuports] Begasus 9054f64 - BumpRace 1.5.5, new recipe
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[23:14:15] <Not-b880> [haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/vwN2l
[23:14:17] <Not-b880> [haikuports] Sylvain78 c3903d5 - ncurses6: generation of .pc files for pkgconfig
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[23:26:11] <Begasus> oh whoot, cylindrix just started on me ;)
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