February 15, 2016 
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February 15, 2016 [00:04:55] *** geoid has quit IRC[00:49:28] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[00:50:37] *** Negr0_ has quit IRC[00:50:58] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[00:56:17] *** Negr0_ has joined #haiku[01:03:56] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[01:04:16] <HaikuUser> howto update haiku?[01:05:51] <Barrett> https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/daily-tasks/updating-system[01:07:56] *** geoid has joined #haiku[01:10:03] *** Barrett has quit IRC[01:12:13] <HaikuUser> thanks[01:12:41] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[01:12:52] *** geoid has quit IRC[01:25:11] *** hamishm has quit IRC[01:33:27] *** mixomathoze has quit IRC[01:41:54] *** mixomathoze has joined #haiku[01:46:36] *** Nach0z has quit IRC[01:47:54] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:00:18] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[02:00:45] *** HaikuUser is now known as bbjimmy_laptop[02:08:00] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[02:09:23] *** geoid has joined #haiku[02:13:42] *** geoid has quit IRC[02:15:36] *** Negr0_ has quit IRC[02:35:52] *** oitunk has joined #haiku[02:42:33] *** Negr0_ has joined #haiku[02:48:20] *** hackkitten has quit IRC[02:48:44] *** hackkitten has joined #haiku[03:00:54] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[03:10:11] *** geoid has joined #haiku[03:14:46] *** geoid has quit IRC[03:31:53] *** kushalsingh007 has joined #haiku[03:40:04] *** oitunk has quit IRC[03:40:31] *** ValeT has quit IRC[03:40:31] *** q5sys has joined #haiku[03:44:00] *** kushalsingh007 has quit IRC[03:47:55] *** mixomathoze_ has joined #haiku[03:50:44] *** mixomathoze has quit IRC[03:50:44] *** mixomathoze_ is now known as mixomathoze[04:10:58] *** geoid has joined #haiku[04:15:06] *** geoid has quit IRC[04:15:17] *** bbjimmy_laptop has quit IRC[04:51:04] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[05:11:51] *** geoid has joined #haiku[05:15:01] *** Negr0_ has quit IRC[05:15:44] *** Nach0z has joined #haiku[05:16:10] *** geoid has quit IRC[05:19:58] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[05:32:36] *** dlesage has quit IRC[05:32:41] *** kushalsingh007 has joined #haiku[05:34:48] *** return0e has joined #haiku[05:35:58] *** dlesage has joined #haiku[06:12:41] *** geoid has joined #haiku[06:16:58] *** geoid has quit IRC[06:30:30] *** Nothing_Much has joined #haiku[06:34:56] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[07:02:31] *** yuriks has quit IRC[07:07:37] *** yuriks has joined #haiku[07:30:25] *** return0e has quit IRC[07:34:20] *** leer10 has quit IRC[07:37:14] *** leer10 has joined #haiku[07:37:27] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[07:45:20] *** senornathan has joined #haiku[07:51:18] *** Max-Might|www has joined #haiku[07:51:47] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[07:53:38] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[08:00:25] <Paradoxon> what do i do if pkgman update says: failed to remove transaction directory: Directory not empty[08:03:49] *** Bryanstein has quit IRC[08:03:53] *** Dane has quit IRC[08:03:57] *** FreeFull has quit IRC[08:03:59] *** Edwinr has quit IRC[08:04:01] *** Dane has joined #haiku[08:04:08] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[08:04:10] *** vertrex has quit IRC[08:04:11] *** lukky513 has quit IRC[08:04:13] *** SirCmpwn has quit IRC[08:04:15] *** GeekShadow has quit IRC[08:04:31] *** SirCmpwn has joined #haiku[08:04:31] *** Edwinr has joined #haiku[08:04:32] *** FreeFull has joined #haiku[08:04:33] *** GeekShadow has joined #haiku[08:04:34] *** GeekShadow has quit IRC[08:04:34] *** GeekShadow has joined #haiku[08:04:43] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[08:04:43] *** lukky513 has joined #haiku[08:04:44] *** vertrex has joined #haiku[08:13:14] *** Bryanstein has joined #haiku[08:46:56] <jessicah`> Paradoxon: means you're trying to install a package of the same version as what's already installed[08:47:12] <jessicah`> you can just manually move the packages from transaction dir into packages dir, then reboot[08:47:15] <jessicah`> should do the trick[09:01:22] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[09:06:09] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[09:06:25] *** Megaf has left #haiku[09:06:36] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[09:10:43] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[09:12:22] *** Akuji_ has joined #haiku[09:12:25] *** Akuji has quit IRC[09:13:29] *** Akuji_ has quit IRC[09:14:03] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[09:21:05] *** FlyingJester has quit IRC[09:22:35] <Not-4601> [haikuports] miqlas opened issue #472: mplayer should put settings files into user settings folder - https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/issues/472[09:29:53] *** stippi has joined #haiku[09:29:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[09:33:11] *** Megaf has quit IRC[09:34:58] *** Nothing_Much has quit IRC[09:37:08] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[09:38:02] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[09:42:48] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[09:51:34] *** Megaf has quit IRC[09:52:05] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[10:02:20] *** kushalsingh007 has quit IRC[10:05:25] *** Megaf has quit IRC[10:25:55] *** Akuji_ has joined #haiku[10:27:25] *** orealis has joined #haiku[10:27:25] *** Akuji_ has quit IRC[10:27:41] *** Akuji_ has joined #haiku[10:28:46] *** FlyingJester has joined #haiku[10:29:00] *** orealis_ has quit IRC[10:29:35] *** Akuji has quit IRC[10:31:11] *** Max-Might|www has quit IRC[10:32:35] *** Max-Might|www has joined #haiku[10:35:36] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[10:35:36] *** Akuji_ has quit IRC[10:35:42] *** leszek has joined #haiku[10:41:14] *** Akuji_ has joined #haiku[10:41:19] *** Akuji has quit IRC[10:42:06] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[10:43:35] *** js has quit IRC[11:02:13] *** js has joined #haiku[11:02:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o js[11:07:13] *** oitunk has joined #haiku[11:12:59] *** oitunk has quit IRC[11:19:29] *** oitunk has joined #haiku[11:25:02] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[11:30:53] *** phtevedale has quit IRC[11:31:34] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[11:31:34] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[11:39:03] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[11:39:23] *** kushalsingh007 has joined #haiku[11:40:08] *** kushalsingh007 has quit IRC[11:43:26] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[11:44:05] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[11:45:10] *** oitunk has quit IRC[11:49:50] *** happy-dude has quit IRC[11:51:46] *** DKnoto has joined #haiku[11:52:06] *** oitunk has joined #haiku[11:52:47] *** DKnoto_W has joined #haiku[11:57:11] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[12:06:55] *** simonsouth has joined #haiku[12:09:12] *** illwieckz has joined #haiku[12:11:56] *** Litew has joined #haiku[12:22:59] *** earthnative has quit IRC[12:31:23] *** FreeFull has quit IRC[12:35:11] *** earthnative has joined #haiku[13:02:56] *** ValeT has joined #haiku[13:18:07] *** leszek has quit IRC[13:18:56] *** Negr0_ has joined #haiku[13:20:11] *** ValeT has quit IRC[13:34:25] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[13:39:47] *** LaceySnr has joined #haiku[13:39:53] *** soakbot has quit IRC[13:40:05] *** soakbot has joined #haiku[13:40:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[13:43:28] *** cosarara has quit IRC[13:44:28] *** LaceySnr has quit IRC[13:55:54] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[14:02:30] *** GeneralDuke has joined #haiku[14:02:40] *** cosarara has joined #haiku[14:09:48] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[14:16:22] *** orealis has quit IRC[14:43:12] *** Megaf has quit IRC[15:02:56] *** hdanak has quit IRC[15:06:10] *** ValeT has joined #haiku[15:11:01] *** Nothing_Much has joined #haiku[15:19:18] *** stippi1 has joined #haiku[15:19:18] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi1[15:24:38] *** Negr0_ has quit IRC[15:24:40] *** simonsouth has quit IRC[15:24:42] *** stippi has quit IRC[15:24:47] *** Dane has quit IRC[15:24:48] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[15:24:54] *** stippi1 is now known as stippi[15:25:29] *** RudolfC has joined #haiku[15:35:01] <ValeT> Hey RudolfC![15:35:06] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[15:35:14] *** Negr0_ has joined #haiku[15:35:19] <ValeT> How is driver work coming?[15:37:42] *** orealis has joined #haiku[15:40:09] *** kushalsingh007 has joined #haiku[15:40:34] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[15:41:14] *** FreeFull has joined #haiku[15:45:48] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[15:48:15] <RudolfC> Hi ValeT[15:48:36] <RudolfC> bit by bit.. literally ;-)[15:50:15] <RudolfC> I think I'll have a look at the hardcursor stuff next to get that going with my drivers, seems app_server does something strange or something these drivers don't expect :)[15:52:26] <ValeT> hahaha, cool[15:52:29] <ValeT> Good luck![15:52:37] * ValeT is idle: gotta go do some stuff...[15:53:10] *** kushalsingh007 has quit IRC[15:56:46] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[16:01:15] *** Litew has quit IRC[16:12:02] <ValeT> Anyone know how I can install python packages on a Haiku machine?[16:12:48] *** kushalsingh007 has joined #haiku[16:13:07] <Max-Might|www> python is installed by default[16:13:39] <ValeT> Yea, but I need to install py7zlib[16:14:20] *** Chatoune has joined #haiku[16:14:36] <ValeT> Any ideas? :D[16:15:50] <Chatoune> Hi everybody. I have installed Haiku on my new computer but unfortunately rewriing my MBR killed my Windows partition. I tried to uninstall the MBR but the button is greyed. Any clue?[16:16:07] <ValeT> No, sorry…Sounds like you really got yourself into a mess though[16:16:09] <ValeT> :D[16:16:55] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[16:18:05] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[16:18:30] <Max-Might|www> ValeT not sure about that, you could check what other python package recipes do on haikuports[16:19:46] <ValeT> So I’m gonna have to create a recipe, ok[16:19:48] <ValeT> rip[16:19:54] <ValeT> Thank you[16:22:45] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[16:22:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[16:24:26] <Chatoune> Is there any way to restore the saved MBR with the writembr command?[16:26:17] <Max-Might|www> ValeT or you can just see where recipes put stuff so python could find it if you do not need a recipe :)[16:26:18] *** earthnative has quit IRC[16:27:18] <ValeT> Yea, but I’m adding support for 7z archives in haikuporter[16:27:22] <ValeT> So others will need it as well[16:27:42] <Max-Might|www> ok, cool[16:27:48] *** earthnative has joined #haiku[16:28:13] <Max-Might|www> if it is a setuptools-based lib you can reuse this I guess[16:28:14] <Max-Might|www> https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/blob/2f6038727f55690306ac2e3069d76f709eac5d1b/dev-python/pyyaml/pyyaml-3.11.recipe[16:29:38] <ValeT> Yay[16:29:39] <ValeT> I think it is[16:29:43] <Max-Might|www> in all cases you should read the library installation instructions :)[16:29:46] <ValeT> Much appreciated! :)[16:36:40] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[16:36:41] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[16:37:12] <ValeT> hey humdinger, how’s your AI project going?[16:37:27] <humdinger> I have an AI project?[16:38:21] <Barrett> lol[16:40:05] <ValeT> humdinger: Well I signed you up for one...[16:40:09] <Barrett> ValeT, I thought humdinger was building the hyperbolic time chamber[16:40:14] *** kushalsingh007 has quit IRC[16:40:24] <ValeT> That was his next project I thought[16:40:28] <ValeT> But are you doing that as well?[16:40:50] <humdinger> I do the chamber just as busily as I do the AI one...[16:41:02] <ValeT> So how’s it coming?[16:41:20] <humdinger> very slowly...[16:41:37] <humdinger> But I figure, I get all the time bck once the chamber is working.[16:41:52] <Barrett> humdinger, I think you should contact john titor[16:41:59] <ValeT> lol[16:42:53] <Barrett> Chatoune, the question isn't enough clear for me to reply[16:44:02] <humdinger> had to websearch that...[16:44:40] *** kushalsingh007 has joined #haiku[16:45:23] <ValeT> nice[16:45:32] * ValeT applauds humdinger for his honesty[16:49:15] <Barrett> it's an epic trolling[16:51:09] <Chatoune> Barrett, I want to restore my MBR. But when I launch BootManager the uninstall button is greyed?[16:52:06] <Barrett> Chatoune, are you sure the MBR is installed?[16:52:27] <humdinger> known issue: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12297 and https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/9014[16:56:23] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[16:58:48] <Chatoune> humdinger, so it seems I have to dd my MBR in order to reinstall it.[17:00:57] <humdinger> Chatoune: I don't know much about MBR and it's been a long time since I dual-booted with windows.[17:01:08] <Chatoune> Will dd if=/boot/home/config/settings/bootman/MBR of=/dev/disk/scsi/0/0/0/raw work to restore my MBR ?[17:01:12] <humdinger> It used to work with bootman and Windows 2000.[17:01:55] <humdinger> I doubt that will restore your original MBR so that you can boot Windows.[17:04:57] *** Valheru has joined #haiku[17:05:36] <Chatoune> Is the MBR file that is stored on my Haiku partition is the correct copy of my former MBR. In this case I might try this, otherwise I will reinstall Windows and try to find another way to dual boot Haiku.[17:06:59] <humdinger> Chatoune: sorry, for some reason I missed your "if=/boot/home/config/settings/bootman/MBR" above...[17:07:15] <humdinger> if the backup of the MBR worked, it might work.[17:07:22] <humdinger> only one way to find out. :)[17:08:10] <Chatoune> humdinger, you are too right. There is only one way to find out.[17:08:43] <Chatoune> Did anyone succeeded in dual booting windows 10 and Haiku I cannot remember how I did it before.[17:10:24] <Chatoune> Done, gonna reboot now. See you soon (I hope) ;)[17:10:30] *** Chatoune has quit IRC[17:11:31] *** Max-Might|www has quit IRC[17:13:19] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[17:13:28] *** Chatoune has joined #haiku[17:13:51] <humdinger> re Chatoune. did it work?[17:14:23] *** alpha123 has quit IRC[17:14:30] <Chatoune> Ok, it worked. I get it back. Now I need to dual boot Windows 10 and Haiku OS.[17:15:27] <Chatoune> Thanks guys. It saved my day. I did not want to reinstall everything again.[17:15:39] *** Akuji has quit IRC[17:15:59] <humdinger> I only found https://www.haiku-os.org/node/5068 which talks about Windows 8[17:16:09] <humdinger> sounds like they did use bootman...[17:16:59] *** Akuji_ has quit IRC[17:17:47] <Chatoune> humdinger, this is the thread I created long time ago. So I should be able to do it. Forgot I tried it many years ago ;)[17:18:12] <humdinger> hehe[17:20:58] *** Litew has joined #haiku[17:21:39] * humdinger is idle: rowing[17:21:43] *** Litew has quit IRC[17:22:34] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[17:31:08] *** RudolfC has quit IRC[17:31:59] *** DKnoto_W has quit IRC[17:32:17] *** alpha123 has joined #haiku[17:34:28] *** GeneralDuke has quit IRC[17:36:27] *** alpha123 has quit IRC[17:37:19] *** alpha123 has joined #haiku[17:39:01] *** stippi has quit IRC[17:40:27] *** Chatoune has quit IRC[17:45:06] *** Chatoune has joined #haiku[17:46:44] * humdinger has returned[17:54:34] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[17:56:33] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[17:58:41] *** Plazma has joined #haiku[17:59:07] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[18:05:04] *** Nothing_Much has quit IRC[18:09:47] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[18:10:39] * ValeT has returned[18:11:46] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[18:11:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[18:12:53] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[18:14:59] *** Nothing_Much has joined #haiku[18:18:59] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[18:20:17] *** vidrep has joined #haiku[18:22:17] <vidrep> Hi[18:28:24] *** Malmis has quit IRC[18:29:39] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[18:31:44] *** Megaf has quit IRC[18:32:47] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[18:37:37] <ValeT> hey vidrep[18:41:27] <vidrep> Hi ValeT[18:42:19] <vidrep> Yesterday was quite an active day for commits and bug reports[18:43:05] <vidrep> Web+ appears to have taken a step forward in development[18:43:31] <ValeT> Yea, yesterday was a big day I guess[18:43:51] <ValeT> It wasn’t a massive day though[18:43:55] <ValeT> Only 6 revisions...[18:44:37] <vidrep> 6 revisions is massive for Haiku[18:49:08] *** Nothing_Much has quit IRC[18:50:06] <ValeT> Really?[18:50:21] <ValeT> If only pulkomandy could do that much every day…[18:50:31] <ValeT> We’d have a release in about a week :)[18:52:07] <vidrep> When he was on contract a lot got done[18:52:45] <humdinger> I wonder when we'll get the next full-timer...[18:52:52] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[18:52:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o PulkoMandy[18:53:09] <humdinger> there should be a few $10k in the bank...[18:53:10] <vidrep> Most of the Haiku devs, past and present, can do amazing work when they have the time and motivation to do so[18:53:23] <PulkoMandy> hello world![18:53:25] <humdinger> yep.[18:53:29] <humdinger> hi PulkoMandy.[18:53:44] <vidrep> Hi PulkoMandy - speak of the devil[18:53:48] <ValeT> Hey PulkoMandy![18:53:55] <ValeT> Yea, I just wish there was more moolah[18:54:07] <humdinger> I wish there were more devs...[18:54:16] <ValeT> That too[18:54:17] <PulkoMandy> I wish there was more time :)[18:54:23] <vidrep> I usually make a donation to Haiku Inc every pay day[18:54:26] <ValeT> But it is the super slow progress that scares people away[18:54:36] <ValeT> vidrep: That’s very kind[18:54:43] <ValeT> Thank you :)[18:54:56] <PulkoMandy> ValeT: not sure Microsoft and Apple think the same. We usually get a lot new users each time they make big UI changes[18:55:18] <vidrep> $20, $50, $100, whatever I can afford at the time[18:55:31] <ValeT> lol really? I’m surprised that happens[18:55:42] *** Nothing_Much has joined #haiku[18:55:45] <ValeT> I wonder how many more people will come for the beta release?[18:55:51] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:55:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[18:55:55] <ValeT> cool vidrep![18:56:04] <PulkoMandy> the only way to know is to make the release happen[18:56:13] <PulkoMandy> but first let's fix these 64bit issues with ffmpeg[18:56:17] <vidrep> The new Web+ release motivated me to review all my outstanding Web+ tickets yesterday[18:56:17] <ValeT> Which means we gotta get more work done...[18:56:18] <ValeT> :D[18:57:10] <vidrep> I built Web+ 64 bit last night, but there are a few issues[18:57:56] <vidrep> I don't know whether to create a ticket for something that isn't official yet[18:59:15] <PulkoMandy> well, we can filter tickets by platform so that's fine[18:59:48] <PulkoMandy> I will fix the ffmpeg issues and maybe get a new haikuwebkit build up for x86_64 today, so maybe wait for that[19:00:02] <PulkoMandy> but if you have an unofficial list of things I should test, you can send it to me :)[19:04:04] <vidrep> Sure, np[19:04:17] <ValeT> hmmm…I can’t remember what waddlesplash told me[19:04:30] <ValeT> But I still wish we could have an automatic recipe cleaner[19:04:33] <ValeT> That would save so much time[19:04:34] <vidrep> I have to step out for a while[19:04:39] <vidrep> Back in a bit[19:04:41] <ValeT> ok[19:04:43] <ValeT> bye![19:04:49] <vidrep> Keep up the good work![19:04:56] <ValeT> :D[19:04:57] <ValeT> thanks[19:05:06] <ValeT> oh, were you talking to pulkomandy?[19:05:09] <ValeT> rip[19:05:17] <vidrep> Everybody![19:05:54] <vidrep> We're all in this together, whether we're coding, testing, or whatever[19:06:54] * humdinger does whatever[19:07:19] * ValeT thinks humdinger spends more time talking than working...[19:07:29] <ValeT> (just kidding…sort of)[19:07:30] <humdinger> definitely[19:07:31] *** Nothing_Much has quit IRC[19:07:33] <ValeT> :D[19:07:58] <PulkoMandy> ValeT: feel free to write a tool for that, apply it and submit a huge PR fixing all the old recipes[19:08:05] <PulkoMandy> but make sure you don't break anything[19:09:10] <ValeT> I’ll work on it right after I finish fixing the broken recipe for pylzma...[19:09:25] <ValeT> I will make sure I do not break anything[19:09:30] <ValeT> I really don’t think it is that difficult[19:09:50] <ValeT> But it will only fix reordering[19:10:08] <ValeT> I guess I could extend it to fix older recipes as well, but for some the issue isn’t only the format[19:10:15] <ValeT> The recipe itself is broken...[19:10:27] <PulkoMandy> ah, I don't really care about ordering, but yes, at least that is easily automated[19:10:39] <ValeT> *easily*[19:10:40] <ValeT> :D[19:10:46] <PulkoMandy> maybe a tool to use in travis CI hooks for that could be a good idea[19:10:51] <ValeT> Yea fixing recipes is a little harder[19:10:54] <PulkoMandy> (so don't reorder, just check and report)[19:11:21] <ValeT> I think I can successfully create a script to reorder[19:11:35] <ValeT> To fix, I’m not sure. Depends on the issue with the recipe[19:11:41] <Not-4601> [haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/847f9cd42b54...9b670c2cc9b0[19:11:43] <Not-4601> [haikuports] pulkomandy 9b670c2 - libmodplug: fix crash on x86_64[19:12:02] <PulkoMandy> well, at least some basic changes (SRC_URI vs SOURCE_URI comes to mind) can be done[19:12:34] <PulkoMandy> a tool to find the broken recipes and open them in an editor would be nice. Then I can unplug my brain and fix whatever shows up next :D[19:14:14] <ValeT> I can do that[19:14:23] <ValeT> But ideally it would be nice to have it attempt to fix stuff itself[19:15:04] <ValeT> ok, just fixed the 150% broken pylzma recipe :P[19:15:07] <ValeT> I’ll send a pr[19:15:12] <PulkoMandy> for the simple changes, yes[19:15:23] <PulkoMandy> the reordering is painful to review as a diff[19:15:40] <PulkoMandy> and any more advanced change is maybe more difficult to review than actually making the change manually[19:17:03] <ValeT> Let me write the reorderer (is that even the correct way to say it?) first[19:17:06] *** oitunk has quit IRC[19:17:10] <ValeT> Then we can talk about more advanced changes...[19:18:45] *** Max-Might has joined #haiku[19:19:47] <ValeT> PulkoMandy: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/pull/473[19:21:48] <ValeT> Getting a weird error with my HaikuPorter update to include 7z archives[19:21:55] <ValeT> “invalid type ‘\x19’"[19:21:57] <ValeT> Ideas?[19:22:53] <PulkoMandy> probably you have a strange character somewhere[19:23:27] <ValeT> That is so not a helpful error lol[19:24:17] <ValeT> so in ASCII it is “\031 25 EM \x19 ^Y (End of medium)"[19:24:39] <ValeT> Maybe is it an error with the source file I am downloading?[19:24:53] <ValeT> And since pyLZMA is written in python, when it tries to unpack, it crashes?[19:25:28] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[19:25:59] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[19:28:48] *** simonsouth has joined #haiku[19:29:17] *** Karkus has joined #haiku[19:29:46] *** Karkus has quit IRC[19:30:46] <ValeT> I think it is an issue with the 7z file I am downloading[19:36:10] <ValeT> I gotta go shovel will be back[19:36:11] * ValeT is idle[19:37:03] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[19:38:11] *** Akuji_ has joined #haiku[19:38:12] *** Akuji has quit IRC[19:42:07] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[19:44:14] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[19:46:28] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[19:46:51] *** Akuji_ has quit IRC[19:51:38] *** Litew has joined #haiku[19:53:34] *** leer10 has quit IRC[19:58:37] <vidrep> Hey[19:58:46] *** arfunzu has quit IRC[19:58:56] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[20:00:40] <vidrep> PulkoMandy, does the 64 bit libmodplug fix apply to all ffmpeg builds, including 2.8.6?[20:00:47] *** arfonzo has joined #haiku[20:00:58] <PulkoMandy> probably, I tested with whatever is in the repos[20:01:20] <vidrep> OK. I'll build again and try it out[20:02:02] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[20:07:40] *** vidrep has quit IRC[20:12:32] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[20:13:53] *** humdinger has quit IRC[20:14:28] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[20:36:20] *** FlyingJester_ has joined #haiku[20:37:34] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[20:37:52] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[20:38:20] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[20:40:51] * ValeT is back[20:40:54] <Anarchos> [vim] [haikuports] In my haikuports local repo, i made a modification in the work/ directory (i did a git commit). I generated the patch with git format-patch -1 ; how can i add this patch to the patchset already present in the recipe ?[20:41:12] <ValeT> copy your commit out of your patch[20:41:24] <ValeT> and put it into the current patchset (probably best to be at the bottom)[20:41:31] <ValeT> Then test it; does that work?[20:42:26] <Anarchos> ValeT let met check[20:42:30] <ValeT> ok[20:42:42] <PulkoMandy> that is insanely complicated way to do it[20:42:52] <PulkoMandy> simple way: haikuporter --extract-patchset vim[20:43:02] <ValeT> oh[20:43:03] <ValeT> rip[20:43:04] <ValeT> lol[20:43:07] <PulkoMandy> (you don't even need the format-patch step)[20:45:03] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy ah this is the command i was searching :)[20:46:38] <ValeT> sorry :)[20:48:54] *** Chatoune has quit IRC[20:53:24] *** cucujoidea has joined #haiku[20:55:39] <ValeT> PulkoMandy, can you take a look at this PR? https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/pull/473[20:55:45] <ValeT> It fixes pyLZMA[21:06:04] <ValeT> Does anyone know how many recipes are in HaikuPorts?[21:26:35] <PulkoMandy> find and wc can tell?[21:27:03] <mmu_man> $ ls -w1 */*/*.rec* | wc -l[21:27:04] <mmu_man> 1632[21:27:36] <ValeT> wow[21:27:38] <ValeT> That’s a lot[21:27:44] <ValeT> Thank you for doing it for me :D[21:28:17] <mmu_man> a lot are for diff versions of the same thing though[21:30:03] <PulkoMandy> that's still quite low compared to gentoo or debian however[21:30:52] <ValeT> How large are their’s?[21:31:02] <PulkoMandy> about 21000 for Debian[21:31:06] <PulkoMandy> (source: http://upsilon.cc/~zack/stuff/dpkg-v3/)[21:32:23] <PulkoMandy> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Linux_distributions has a table of various linux distros[21:33:24] <PulkoMandy> ("approximate number of source packages" is what should be compared)[21:34:06] <PulkoMandy> 18721 for Gentoo, almost 30000 in Arch Linux + AUR[21:34:08] <ValeT> wow[21:34:12] <ValeT> 25,000 for ubuntu[21:40:21] <FlyingJester_> That's a weird metric, though.[21:40:46] <FlyingJester_> Some distros will separate out certain libraries into component parts, or have multiple packages for certain programs (like a full and minimal variant).[21:41:04] <PulkoMandy> that's why we're looking at "source" packages[21:41:21] <FlyingJester_> And counting the AUR is odd, since many of the things in there are variants on other packages...[21:41:59] <PulkoMandy> and we counted *.recipe in Haiku which also includes several versions of some things[21:42:16] <FlyingJester_> That's to be expected in any case, though.[21:42:33] <FlyingJester_> At its simplest things like GTK2 and 3 or Qt 4 and 5. But also things like certain version of autoconf...[21:42:55] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[21:47:45] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[21:53:34] *** oitunk has joined #haiku[21:56:44] <HAIKU-irker335> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev50095 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=d77a087ad2d8+%5E6071ca920926[21:56:45] <HAIKU-irker335> d373150fa1b7: Update libmodplug to fix crash in ffmpeg[21:56:46] <HAIKU-irker335> d77a087ad2d8: HaikuWebKit 1.5.2 for x86_64.[22:00:14] *** vidrep has joined #haiku[22:00:26] <vidrep> Hi again[22:01:25] *** vidrep has quit IRC[22:01:58] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[22:02:11] <ValeT> Hello vdrep[22:02:13] <ValeT> *vidrep[22:02:15] <ValeT> oh[22:02:17] <ValeT> he left[22:04:02] *** cucujoidea has quit IRC[22:06:29] *** vidrep has joined #haiku[22:06:41] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[22:07:53] <vidrep> Just after I logged on, I noticed PulkoMandy had done a pair of commits for libmodplug and haikuwebkit[22:08:20] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[22:09:24] <vidrep> The libmodplug commit fixed the crashing of MediaPlayer and it also fixed some issues with Web+ at the same time (how, is for PulkoMandy to explain)[22:09:56] <PulkoMandy> yes, it was confusing ffmpeg, so anything trying to use the media kit to decode a file would explode[22:10:13] <PulkoMandy> including any page with an html5 video (ads or whatever), and even if you didn't play said video[22:10:17] <ValeT> Yay![22:10:29] <ValeT> 2 more bugs fixed[22:10:42] <vidrep> Although ffmpeg doesn't crash anymore, the audio anaomalies remain[22:10:44] <ValeT> vidrep: Are you able to properly clone haikuporter?[22:10:48] <ValeT> Whenever I attempt yo[22:10:51] <ValeT> *to[22:11:04] <vidrep> I cloned it last night OK[22:11:04] <ValeT> I do not get a folder within the clone “HaikuPorter” containing the source code[22:11:27] <PulkoMandy> vidrep: mh… youtube is working just fine here (64bit)[22:11:46] <ValeT> It is breaking on my mac at the moment vidrep[22:11:55] <ValeT> I just tried it during the past few hours[22:12:48] <PulkoMandy> which command did you use?[22:13:11] <vidrep> I have a bunch of videos for testing. Some play OK, and some have bad audio[22:13:41] <ValeT> “git clone https://github.com/haikuports/haikuporter” PulkoMandy[22:14:27] <PulkoMandy> ValeT: there is some unicode weirdness going on, at least Vision won't display that command line[22:14:37] <vidrep> PulkoMandy, YouTube is working for me as well[22:15:10] <PulkoMandy> ValeT: I recommend using hub: pkgman install hub ; hub clone haikuports/haikuporter[22:15:17] <PulkoMandy> and it will make a folder named haikuporter (no caps)[22:15:28] <PulkoMandy> vidrep: oh, ok, so our regular set of ffmpeg issues then[22:16:12] <ValeT> haikuports clones fine[22:16:17] <ValeT> Just haikuporter[22:16:36] <ValeT> I get everything except the folder HaikuPorter (which is https://github.com/haikuports/haikuporter/tree/master/HaikuPorter)[22:16:48] <PulkoMandy> ah, yes right[22:17:02] <PulkoMandy> this is because there is a file named "haikuporter" and your filesystem is case insensitive[22:17:06] *** Akuji_ has joined #haiku[22:17:08] <PulkoMandy> so you can't clone the repo on OSX[22:17:11] <vidrep> PulkoMandy, yes. MP2 and MP3 audio seem OK. The problems appear with AAC and AC3[22:17:13] <PulkoMandy> we should probably rename some files :D[22:17:28] <PulkoMandy> vidrep: mh, the latest fixes to the ffmpeg plugin should fix that[22:17:35] <PulkoMandy> (and youtube is using aac audio and it works)[22:17:46] <ValeT> lol[22:17:51] <ValeT> That is soooooo annoying[22:18:00] <ValeT> It cloned just fine before I updated to 10.11.3[22:18:01] <ValeT> :([22:18:13] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[22:18:15] <vidrep> How about I provide links to some problem files to see if you can replicate?[22:18:30] *** Akuji has quit IRC[22:18:44] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[22:20:33] *** leer10 has joined #haiku[22:20:41] <PulkoMandy> ValeT: https://www.haiku-os.org/articles/2015-02-05_building_haiku_mac_os_x_1010_yosemite has instructions on creating a case sensitive FS[22:20:50] <PulkoMandy> will also be required if you want to build haiku from source[22:20:59] <PulkoMandy> vidrep: yes[22:21:11] <ValeT> Thank you[22:21:14] <vidrep> 2C9416984%2C9418182%2C9419452%2C9420452%2C9421502%2C9422555%2C9422596%2C9422971%2C9423348%2C9423661%2C9423662%2C9425113%2C9426942%2C9427840%2C9427898%2C9428466%2C9428605%2C9428703&signature=B08955F9880E8127832BC9305461AA0696CABBE6.7A5385561D9F26CF7C3EBCE5F08F50AAB6A57F06&ms=au&id=o-ABN_XsbnwqonMLkdErMuNXnMxRIRorZ-QzqAAApjUyee&pl=48&mv=m&itag=22&signature=&title=WAPWON.COM_CF-18_Twilight_Show_.._Abbotsford_Airshow_2015[22:21:19] <PulkoMandy> mh, interesting[22:21:26] <PulkoMandy> I got some random sample from the internets[22:21:35] <PulkoMandy> plays fine in Web+, but fails in MediaPlayer[22:22:11] <PulkoMandy> (first link from http://download.wavetlan.com/SVV/Media/HTTP/http-aac.htm)[22:22:54] <vidrep> That link didn't look quite right :) OK, try again: http://wapwon.me/video/CF18-Twilight-Show--Abbotsford-Airshow-2015/w8NqhaycdRk[22:23:18] <vidrep> Download MP4 720p[22:24:08] <PulkoMandy> it seems to be a MediaPlayer only problem[22:24:17] <PulkoMandy> I'd have to check with SoundPlay or APlayer[22:24:24] <PulkoMandy> let's build APlayer for 64bit then[22:24:55] <vidrep> It was working in the past, if I recall correctly[22:26:34] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[22:26:35] <PulkoMandy> "cpu you selected does not support x86-64 instruction set"[22:26:45] <PulkoMandy> mh… I'll have some buildsystem rework to do there[22:26:54] <PulkoMandy> are there any other media players I could test with?[22:28:43] <vidrep> There isn't much for 64 bit[22:29:04] *** rossen has joined #haiku[22:29:59] <vidrep> I know 64 bit isn't a high priority for the beta, but at the same time, if the media player is broken, shouldn'tit be fixed?[22:30:51] <ValeT> But that takes more time away from PulkoMandy working on getting blocker issues fixed…[22:31:10] <ValeT> Not at all pushing for a specific set of problems to be fixed :D[22:31:21] <vidrep> I know, That's why I qualified my statement.[22:31:33] <PulkoMandy> I can't do much about the remaining blocker issues I think[22:32:10] <PulkoMandy> vidrep: I see that it works in Web+ with the same file, so I would like to collect some data from other players[22:32:24] <PulkoMandy> possibly it's a bug in MediaPlayer only, at least I would know where to look[22:32:52] <PulkoMandy> (and ask stippi to fix it since he insists on keeping that insanely complex framework that can play video backwards and whatnot in the MediaPlayer)[22:33:00] <ValeT> Who needs to do work on the remaining blocker issues?[22:33:11] <ValeT> Or rather who can do work on the remaining blocker issues?[22:33:16] <PulkoMandy> ValeT: they are all assigned to someone I think[22:33:25] <ValeT> oh, ok[22:33:27] <ValeT> cool[22:33:32] <PulkoMandy> but the most blocking things are the sysadmin tasks[22:33:37] <PulkoMandy> (setting up package repos, etc)[22:33:49] <PulkoMandy> and we have no one in the sysadmin team anymore[22:33:51] <vidrep> I'm pretty certain it was working with ffmpeg 2.8 in the past. There was a commit to audio that fixed 32 bit, but broke 64 bit[22:34:05] <Barrett> there is more than one reason to keep the MediaPlayer framework[22:34:34] <PulkoMandy> Barrett: yes, it is a nice framework, but it is also overkill for the simple MediaPlayer app[22:35:12] <PulkoMandy> (unless we want playing videos backward as a demo feature, but currently it isn't reachable from the UI)[22:35:24] <vidrep> I have several CD spindles of previous image files. I could try to find the last working build[22:35:38] <Barrett> PulkoMandy, for example a plugin might enable that[22:35:48] <ValeT> Is there anybody that is willing to switch jobs onto the sysadmin team?[22:36:00] <vidrep> Are you volunteering?[22:36:23] <Barrett> the framework is something we need to enable additional features[22:36:35] <PulkoMandy> it would be nice to have the sysadmin in hands of people who are not also devs[22:36:58] <PulkoMandy> things were working quite well as long as mmadia was doing some of that (and running Haiku, inc) but now he has no time anymore[22:37:50] <ValeT> vidrep: I don’t think I am qualified[22:37:55] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[22:38:05] <ValeT> oh, that stinks[22:38:14] <ValeT> Maybe humdinger would be willing to pull up some of the slack...[22:38:49] <ValeT> :D[22:38:56] <PulkoMandy> js, waddlesplash and kallisti5 are willing to help, but then they saw how messy our main server has become over the years[22:39:04] <vidrep> hrev49881 was when we upgraded to ffmpeg 2. I'll doa quick install and try the same files to see if they play normally[22:39:06] <PulkoMandy> so they want to restart everything from scratch[22:39:28] <vidrep> Back in a bit[22:39:31] *** vidrep has quit IRC[22:40:59] <ValeT> which is a ton of work, right?[22:41:25] <ValeT> I don’t think I fully understand how many services you guys have running on your servers...[22:41:41] <PulkoMandy> probably, and more importantly it needs a separate server on which the work can be done, without shutting down everything first[22:42:04] <PulkoMandy> well, website, git, trac, mercurial, maybe still a legacy svn[22:42:36] <PulkoMandy> the mailing lists are at freelists so that isn't part of the infrastructure[22:42:45] <PulkoMandy> ah and of course, the nightly buildbots and package repos[22:42:59] *** Litew has quit IRC[22:43:16] <ValeT> Yea, so a lot :)[22:43:29] <ValeT> And a lot of stuff that cannot be interrupted[22:43:33] <Barrett> but the big part is the website probably[22:43:37] <PulkoMandy> then there is the other server at haiku-files.org, hosting old stuff mostly (previous incarnation of haikuports, old nightly builds, pre-package-management "packages")[22:43:56] <PulkoMandy> so one of the ideas was to remove the services from haiku-files.org and reuse that server for experimenting[22:44:05] <PulkoMandy> but I'm not even sure who has admin access to that[22:44:15] <ValeT> That sounds like a good idea, as long as nothing important is currently running on that[22:45:11] <PulkoMandy> that is hard to define[22:45:26] <PulkoMandy> we finished migrating issues to github for haikuports during GCI, so that part can be dropped[22:45:47] <PulkoMandy> the problem is the old packages which are hosted there, and are required to build old versions of Haiku[22:45:58] <PulkoMandy> (before we switched to package management)[22:46:09] <PulkoMandy> but we can probably live without that for a while[22:46:21] *** Paianni has joined #haiku[22:46:24] <PulkoMandy> or even just redirect that URL to another server once we have some basic things running[22:46:31] <PulkoMandy> it is not a too critical service[22:47:36] *** Max-Might has quit IRC[22:47:37] <bbjimmy> Only critical for people trying the r1a4 release[22:48:02] <PulkoMandy> yes right[22:48:09] <bbjimmy> Seems critical until the next release[22:48:30] <PulkoMandy> yes, but if we can't do the next release because of it, we have a bigger problem[22:48:57] <bbjimmy> yup[22:49:11] <PulkoMandy> I think it can stay down for a few days while the server is reinitialized, then put back online from backup (or just redirect the domain name elsewhere so the URLs still work)[22:50:17] <ValeT> good point[22:50:21] * ValeT is idle: dinner[22:50:58] * bbjimmy updating haiku[22:51:21] * bbjimmy is rebooting shortly[22:53:50] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[22:54:31] *** Akuji has quit IRC[22:54:33] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[22:58:14] *** Akuji_ has quit IRC[22:59:04] *** vidrep has joined #haiku[22:59:25] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[23:01:46] <vidrep> PulkoMandy, I'm using hrev49927 now, and all those videos play perfectly[23:02:40] <bbjimmy> Web+ won't open password protected directories[23:03:15] <bbjimmy> lets me enter the username and password, but then displayes a blank page[23:03:50] <bbjimmy> hrev 50095[23:04:55] <vidrep> All the bugs are coming out of the woodwork. Sorry Adrien :)[23:05:32] <js> PulkoMandy: still willing to help[23:05:57] * ValeT is back[23:06:43] <PulkoMandy> vidrep: ok, it would be nice to narrow this down further if possible, and report in a bugreport[23:06:51] <PulkoMandy> I'm going to sleep now[23:07:38] <ValeT> ok[23:07:39] <ValeT> night![23:07:39] <PulkoMandy> js: we have finished migrating the tickets from ports.haiku-files.org, so as mentionned by bbjimmy the only remaining thing on haiku-files.org is optional packages for r1a4, which we can probably easily move elsewhere[23:07:56] <PulkoMandy> and then we can recycle haiku-files.org as I think was the plan last time we discussed this[23:08:01] <js> PulkoMandy: yep, sgtm :)[23:08:05] <PulkoMandy> (if we can find who has admin access there, that is)[23:08:29] <js> we don't need admin access - just access to a kvm ;)[23:09:32] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2578 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed delete workdir jam @minimum-raw] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/2578 blamelist: Adrien Destugues <pulkomandy at gmail dot com>[23:10:03] *** Not-4601 has quit IRC[23:11:46] <vidrep> PulkoMnady, there is a ticket: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12508#comment:6[23:14:29] <vidrep> PulkoMandy, as you noted in the comments, there may be several different issues here. Should a separate ticket be created specifically for the 64 bit audio problem?[23:16:06] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[23:16:09] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[23:16:34] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[23:22:15] <PulkoMandy> yes, please[23:22:53] <PulkoMandy> if you can't tell for sure it's the same problem, one ticket per broken file. we can always close them as duplicate if it turns out to be a single problem[23:23:59] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:25:16] *** soakbot has quit IRC[23:25:31] *** stippi has joined #haiku[23:29:02] *** vidrep has quit IRC[23:29:39] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[23:30:09] *** mixomathoze has quit IRC[23:34:48] *** Akuji has quit IRC[23:34:56] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[23:35:31] *** mixomathoze has joined #haiku[23:40:26] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:47:54] <mmu_man> wtf, last update wants me to update ffmpeg 0.10.16-1[23:48:00] <mmu_man> er, remove ffmpeg[23:50:47] *** return0e has joined #haiku[23:50:50] *** illwieckz has quit IRC