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[00:00:34] <Anarchos> what is vala ?
[00:00:36] <Max-Might> looks like a nice language, especially for GUI stuff
[00:01:18] <Max-Might> vala is a C#-like programming language https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Vala
[00:01:33] <Max-Might> but it compiles to native, no VM needed
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[00:29:55] <Anarchos> Max-Might i would be glad to find a decent replacement for C to do system programming, and asm at the lowest level, but C is so awful to me !
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[00:35:50] <Max-Might> Anarchos, try rust, there is a recipe or even a package for it I think
[00:36:28] <Anarchos> Max-Might i am sceptical since i found no OS programmed in rust...
[00:37:45] <Max-Might> there is one, it is called Redox OS
[00:37:46] <Max-Might> https://github.com/redox-os/redox
[00:38:02] <Max-Might> it is quite interesting
[00:39:45] <Anarchos> Max-Might i prefer to concentrate on my math demonstration verifier :)
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[00:43:06] <vidrep> hi
[00:43:36] <Anarchos> hi vidrep
[00:44:00] <vidrep> hi aNARCHOS
[00:44:13] <vidrep> Caps lock &%$#
[00:44:27] <vidrep> Hi Barrett
[00:45:14] <vidrep> Does anybody know how to compile ffmpeg with support for lame mp3 encoder
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[00:45:51] <Barrett> hi vidrep
[00:46:13] <vidrep> I've added it to the ffmpeg dependency file and recipe, but it doesn't work - I'm not a coder
[00:47:16] <Barrett> vidrep, paste the recipe and the error
[00:47:20] <vidrep> Barrett, I was reading the mailing list with some interest today
[00:47:38] <vidrep> Your discussion about the media kit etc
[00:48:27] <vidrep> Barrett, maybe the way to go would be to create an enhancement ticket for ffmpeg
[00:48:54] <vidrep> That way I can add attachements which the devs can comment on
[00:50:20] <vidrep> This is for ffmpeg 2.8.6 on 64 bit
[00:51:31] <Barrett> vidrep, maybe better on the haikuports trac
[00:51:48] <vidrep> Your right
[00:51:49] <Barrett> there's people that is not dev listening there
[00:52:02] <Barrett> and not all devs are haikuports experts (me) :-)
[00:53:54] <vidrep> By the way, ffmpeg 2.8.6 works on 64 bit otherwise i.e. with the same audio problems
[00:54:41] <vidrep> I also tested burnitnow and cdrtools 3.01a06 - both working
[00:55:28] <vidrep> I guess I should be telling humdinger. He'll see it later...
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[00:57:11] <vidrep> Barrett, since the discussion, how do you plan on implementing media kit changes?
[01:00:01] <Barrett> vidrep, It enforced some ideas that I had
[01:00:59] <Barrett> since the idea of having a dedicated audio framework is not liked among devs
[01:01:23] <Barrett> I think we need to make space for those needs
[01:01:54] <vidrep> From the perspective of an end user, I'd just like to see the known bugs fixed so at least we have a decent playback system
[01:03:05] <vidrep> Any radical changes should wait until R1...whenever that is...
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[01:04:53] <vidrep> Pulkomandy, what is your opinion?
[01:05:09] <Barrett> vidrep, It depends on circumstances
[01:06:36] <vidrep> Barrett, I appreciate the fact that your looking for ways to improve the system
[01:07:38] <vidrep> My viewpoint is strictly one of a "low level" end user.
[01:12:47] <vidrep> Barrett, another late night. Don't you sleep?
[01:14:45] <Barrett> vidrep, this story is becoming annoying
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[01:17:12] <vidrep> Soory just rying to make conversation
[01:18:01] <Barrett> vidrep, yeah don't take it bad
[01:18:42] <Barrett> that's just a public place
[01:23:06] <vidrep> Well, I did
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[02:02:12] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #588 of haiku-nightlies-x86 is complete: Failure [failed] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-nightlies-x86/builds/588
[02:05:16] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #608 of haiku-nightlies-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-nightlies-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/608
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[12:14:59] <PulkoMandy> what's the state of our migration to gcc5 (or clang?)? Seems webkit started requiring at least 4.9 back in august, so we can't update past that as long as we're on gcc4.8
[12:16:28] <Anarchos> Who tried to compile the vim package recently ?
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[14:19:10] <Max-Might> did we have a fix for that "unknown encoding: ascii" error that haikuporter throws
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[14:30:35] <Anarchos> Max-Might no idea but it is really annoying :)
[14:31:07] <PulkoMandy> I don't get that error here with haikuporter 1.1.0
[14:31:20] <Anarchos> is it the last version PulkoMandy ?
[14:31:22] <PulkoMandy> (freshly built from its recipe using the previously installed 1.0.0)
[14:31:29] <PulkoMandy> Anarchos: it's the last I can build from a recipe
[14:31:37] <PulkoMandy> I think there may be more things in the git repo
[14:31:50] <Anarchos> so you do haikuporter haikuporter ?
[14:31:53] <PulkoMandy> ah, and I just reporduced the error
[14:31:54] <PulkoMandy> yes
[14:32:40] <PulkoMandy> so, maybe you can do "pkgman install haikuporter" and get version 1.0.0, I think it is more stable (but possibly slower)
[14:33:03] <Max-Might> it happens when building 'package' and not when building 'package_x86'
[14:34:37] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy time is not an issue
[14:35:10] <PulkoMandy> I can reproduce it with a _x86 package here
[14:35:18] <PulkoMandy> (a recipe I'm currently writing)
[14:35:24] <PulkoMandy> let's dig into the python code then…
[14:37:10] <Max-Might> maybe it happens when the arch is marked as untested with a ?
[14:38:24] <PulkoMandy> no, it is as expected here
[14:38:37] <PulkoMandy> better have a look at where this happens in the code, instead of random guessing
[14:39:11] <PulkoMandy> mh... but if I run it from the work directory and not from the installed package, it works…
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[14:40:06] <ACGuy> Hello!
[14:40:09] <PulkoMandy> hi!
[14:40:35] <ACGuy> Anyone has any idea why I can't play any videos on Haiku?
[14:40:41] <ACGuy> The screen just blacks out
[14:41:04] <ACGuy> I'm using the latest nightly currently, but it seemed like I always had this problem
[14:42:10] <tqh> What graphics card?
[14:42:14] <PulkoMandy> which software are you using? the built-in MediaPlayer?
[14:42:58] <ACGuy> It has an Intel Extreme Graphics 2 on board
[14:43:11] <ACGuy> And, yes MediaPlayer, cuz VLC doesn't work for me
[14:43:38] <ACGuy> I created this thread on the forums:
[14:43:40] <ACGuy> https://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/no_video_playback_hrev50073
[14:44:31] <PulkoMandy> have you tried disabling overlay in MediaPlayer preferences?
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[14:45:18] <ACGuy> Nope, I'll try now
[14:45:38] <ACGuy> If I get disconnected, it's because I'd have to reboot to get a picture again
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[14:48:27] <ACGuy> Okay, I had to reboot, but it works now!
[14:48:30] <ACGuy> Thank you :3
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[15:06:30] <PulkoMandy> so, I'm looking into this "unknown encoding" problem
[15:06:41] <PulkoMandy> it seems to be an issue with our python port
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[15:34:03] <PulkoMandy> ok, the problem is use of non-ASCII characters in recipe files
[15:34:07] <PulkoMandy> but I think we should allow that
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[15:51:12] <Not-4601> [haikuporter] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±5] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuporter/compare/8bb0581bf9ff...276e9bcb6c33
[15:51:13] <Not-4601> [haikuporter] pulkomandy 276e9bc - Allow utf-8 in recipe files.
[15:51:24] <PulkoMandy> Anarchos, Max-Might: this should fix the problem!
[15:51:35] <Anarchos> thanks PulkoMandy !!
[15:53:23] <PulkoMandy> mh... I missed some places apparently
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[16:02:47] <Not-4601> [haikuporter] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuporter/compare/276e9bcb6c33...09d0b89b06d0
[16:02:49] <Not-4601> [haikuporter] pulkomandy 09d0b89 - Also allow utf-8 in package description.
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[16:19:03] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy still the catattr problem on vim :(
[16:19:15] <PulkoMandy> yes, I only fixed the "unknown encoding" thing
[16:19:55] <Anarchos> ok so i should remove the extractDebugInfo thing again ?
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[16:45:44] <Not-4601> [haikuporter] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuporter/compare/09d0b89b06d0...b1012aded4fb
[16:45:45] <Not-4601> [haikuporter] pulkomandy b1012ad - Put the recipe file cache in the port base dir.
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[16:51:28] <Not-4601> [haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+3/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/dc34f0f4cb5d...fb9d48218b05
[16:51:29] <Not-4601> [haikuports] pulkomandy fb9d482 - Add hxtools and libhx
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[16:58:59] <ValeT> hello
[16:59:51] <ValeT> Anyone on?
[17:00:16] <PulkoMandy> hi
[17:01:34] <ValeT> Hey PulkoMandy!
[17:01:44] <ValeT> Thank you for changing the recipeChache dir
[17:01:53] <ValeT> Do you by any chance understand why that exists?
[17:02:13] <ValeT> What was mmlr’s thought process for adding that…
[17:07:25] <PulkoMandy> I didn't look much at the code, my guess is it is a way to speed up things, as there is no need to reparse the recipe everytime
[17:07:37] <PulkoMandy> (which is a costly operation because we parse it by running it through bash)
[17:09:28] <fujisan> PulkoMandy: were you in the documentary?
[17:10:05] <PulkoMandy> ?
[17:10:20] <fujisan> the documentary about puck
[17:10:33] <fujisan> interviewed somebody from haiku
[17:10:40] <fujisan> i was wondering who it was
[17:12:02] <PulkoMandy> ah, not me :)
[17:12:19] <fujisan> does haiky work dual boot?
[17:12:29] <fujisan> haiku*
[17:13:10] <PulkoMandy> yes of course
[17:13:10] <ValeT> PulkoMandy: Hmmm….Wouldn’t it be better to rewrite the parsing?
[17:13:17] <PulkoMandy> ValeT: no
[17:13:19] <ValeT> And not create additional levels of complexity?
[17:13:33] <PulkoMandy> for several reasons, amongst them:
[17:13:49] <PulkoMandy> we don't want to rewrite all the recipes again (we still haven't everything in the current format)
[17:14:07] <fujisan> essential and accidental complexity are like P vs NP
[17:14:15] <PulkoMandy> we want to use variables in recipes (secondaryArchSuffix, etc) which are expanded with bash, the cache has these already expanded
[17:16:35] <fujisan> haiku for phones exists already?
[17:17:03] <ValeT> PulkoMandy: Ah, ok
[17:17:24] <PulkoMandy> haiku is an OS for desktop/laptop computers
[17:17:34] <PulkoMandy> not phones, not tablets, not servers, not embedded devices
[17:17:44] <PulkoMandy> (if you think you need all of this at once, have a look at Linux)
[17:18:32] <fujisan> i like to try experimental os's for my desktop i can't code im just a user
[17:21:13] * ValeT is idle: lunch time!
[17:21:59] <fujisan> smakelijk eten
[17:22:14] <fujisan> dunno how to say it in english
[17:23:08] <fujisan> Bon appetit perhaps
[17:24:33] <fujisan> is there also dutch documentation for haiku?
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[18:18:12] <Anarchos> still the same for the catattr problem puckipedia
[18:18:18] <Anarchos> still the same for the catattr problem PulkoMandy
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[19:24:27] <cc^mint> hello!
[19:43:38] <ValeT> hi
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[20:26:55] <Not-4601> [haikuporter] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuporter/compare/b1012aded4fb...0bdc7ce3f8e5
[20:26:56] <Not-4601> [haikuporter] pulkomandy 0bdc7ce - move the recipe cache directory to a single place
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[20:55:00] <HaikuUser> Hi all I'm trying out Haiku for the first time and was hoping somone could help me trouble shoot a little
[20:55:50] <FlyingJester> What is the issue?
[20:56:43] <HaikuUser> I can't seem to get intel graphics working. I'm running the latest nightly and have a pentium m.
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[20:57:01] <olpery> anyone around?
[20:58:35] <PulkoMandy> maybe
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[20:58:49] <olpery> i upgraded my machine this weekend and haiku no longer boots >.< The changes are motherboard -> msi x99s, ram 12->16GB
[20:59:03] <olpery> same disk, nic, video card, etc
[20:59:25] <PulkoMandy> when does it fail? can you grab a syslog?
[20:59:28] <olpery> i can't even get into the boot menu
[20:59:55] <olpery> PulkoMandy: it reboots almost immediately
[21:00:44] <PulkoMandy> ok, in that case I would suggest trying older builds to try to find if one of them work (starting with alpha4 maybe) (or newer builds if you were running alpha4)
[21:01:03] <olpery> i'm on a nightly from a week ago
[21:01:30] <DHowett_> Did you make sure to re-enable legacy BIOS boot on the new motherboard? since Haiku doesn't have an EFI loader
[21:01:48] <DHowett_> or the CSM
[21:01:52] <DHowett_> or whatever MSI calls it
[21:03:51] <HaikuUser> Pulko was that advice for me?
[21:04:27] <olpery> DHowett_: boot mode is LEGACY+UEFI
[21:05:09] <DHowett_> hrm.
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[21:07:03] <olpery> so not only doesn't haiku "get" my usb3 and bluetooth and latest nics, now it doesn't like my mobo
[21:07:12] <olpery> seems like haiku is useless with new hardware
[21:07:57] <olpery> urghl
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[21:16:27] <HaikuUser> Also any getting started tips?\
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[21:29:51] <DaaT> evening
[21:30:02] <HaikuUser> Good evening
[21:30:15] <Anarchos> hi everybody
[21:32:17] <HaikuUser> Anyone have expirence getting intel drivers to work (855GM)
[21:36:14] <cc^mint> eve!
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[21:36:33] <cc^mint> I'm using Linux and BSD.
[21:37:01] <HaikuUser> evening
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[21:39:55] <ValeT> Hi Anarchos
[21:43:06] <ValeT> Ever figured out your error with vim?
[21:46:44] <Anarchos> ValeT no but PulkoMandy solved some errors. He is so efficient !!
[21:46:56] <ValeT> What’d he figure out?
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[21:54:35] <Anarchos> ValeT an error with non ascii characters in recipes. Was in the python port.
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[21:55:12] <ValeT> Oh, I guess that is why he added utf-8 support this morning
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[22:11:03] <PulkoMandy> ValeT: I wanted to use utf8 in description for a recipe and haikuporter failed, so I tried to fix it
[22:11:17] <PulkoMandy> with moderate success, so help welcome in improving this
[22:11:25] <ValeT> Is that what the error Anarchos was getting?
[22:11:27] <ValeT> Hey RudolfC!
[22:11:33] <ValeT> Good to finally see you back here!
[22:11:35] <ValeT> :)
[22:11:47] <RudolfC> hi again :-)
[22:11:59] <RudolfC> got an hour or two to spare ;-)
[22:12:29] <RudolfC> any news ValeT ?
[22:12:36] <PulkoMandy> I have also updated webkit by a few versions over the week-end, guess I should make a new release (I'm at mid-august now)
[22:12:45] <Anarchos> ValeT i am still trying to reproduce my error with the fixes of PulkoMandy
[22:13:07] <PulkoMandy> some changes to make for the next commit as they reimplemented the "watchdog" for stuck javascript code and the new ways needs some more platform-specific support
[22:13:09] <ValeT> RudolfC: Not really, still catching up in school. I got so far behind in AP Computer Science and it is so difficult
[22:13:16] <ValeT> We are doing different kinds of sorting
[22:13:22] <ValeT> And its tripping me out lol
[22:13:32] <ValeT> PulkoMandy: Yay
[22:13:53] <ValeT> Is youtube still being mean and not cooperating?
[22:14:17] <PulkoMandy> probably, that is a problem in ffmpeg side
[22:14:20] <RudolfC> Ah, yes, must keep up, no? Got that here too, timepressure for new software releases for my work. Did that fridaynight (7 versions)
[22:16:03] <RudolfC> with that it's always too late of course :-/
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[22:17:19] <Not-4601> [haikuports] mmuman pushed 2 commits to master [+2/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/3d63453ccca3...9f1dee16d797
[22:17:20] <Not-4601> [haikuports] mmuman dddaa36 - add Historical Permission Notice and Disclaimer license for Pillow
[22:17:22] <Not-4601> [haikuports] mmuman 9f1dee1 - add a recipe for Pillow (fork of PIL)
[22:18:32] <mmu_man> odd, my package didn't work last time, and now it works
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[22:30:03] <ValeT> PulkoMandy: I know humdinger was doing something this week on it
[22:30:17] <ValeT> RudolfC: ouch
[22:30:20] <ValeT> sorry :(
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[22:44:09] <RudolfC> ValeT: I'm used to it in our company ;-) They want a lot and I'm t he only person maintaining these softwares..
[22:45:03] <Anarchos> RudolfC which kind of software ?
[22:45:05] <RudolfC> btw: power management now works perfectly out of the box on my old laptop :-)
[22:45:20] <Anarchos> ValeT still same error about missing BEOS:ICON attribute
[22:45:39] <Anarchos> ValeT maybe a problem in my index of attributes ?
[22:45:43] <ValeT> RudolfC: lol
[22:45:52] <ValeT> Anarchos: No idea sorry
[22:46:23] <Anarchos> ValeT i will ask to pulko when i see him again
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[22:47:09] <ValeT> Anarchos: Ok
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[22:48:52] <HAIKU-irker127> haiku.master: rudolfc * hrev50074 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=2e3e1a5902f4+%5Ecfdffb0c14be
[22:48:53] <HAIKU-irker127> 2e3e1a5902f4: VIA gfx driver: fixed overlay on DDR166 and DDR200 memory. v0.19, updated docs.
[22:49:35] <Anarchos> RudolfC which kind of software ?
[22:50:07] <RudolfC> ValeT: It's a windows application for a measuring device we designed and build in our company.
[22:50:24] <ValeT> Nice
[22:50:26] <ValeT> What language?
[22:50:51] <RudolfC> quite difficult device: contains pressure sensors, flow sensors, temp sensors, and ionisation sensors. pneumatics, ovens, engines..
[22:51:32] <RudolfC> ValeT: to in the end measure all kinds of compounds in the air, hydrocarbons, cancer causing. and such.
[22:51:52] <mmu_man> WTF is haikuporter failing on ascii coded
[22:51:55] <mmu_man> codec
[22:52:07] <RudolfC> I created the electronics, the firmware (assembly, and these days C, and the PC app, delphi.
[22:53:18] <ValeT> What’s it for?
[22:53:31] <ValeT> mmu_man: We added the codec library today?
[22:53:51] <RudolfC> also I wrote a device driver DLL (actually improved and extended a lot an existing opensource one, and for instance, added code to form a device driver for the INTEL ICH watchdogs.. to keep the system up and running at all times (we hope). The ICH driver was based loosely on a linux driver.
[22:54:08] <RudolfC> that's microsoft C btw.
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[22:55:07] <Anarchos> mmu_man update to the lateste haikuporter , pulko solved this today
[22:59:21] <ValeT> RudolfC: What is the software for?
[22:59:31] <Anarchos> mmu_man i mean to update your git repo of haikuporter. Not sure if the package to download is uptodate
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[23:01:39] <mmu_man> ValeT: no that's python codecs (used to decode text, nothing to do with video)
[23:01:42] <mmu_man> Anarchos: I did
[23:02:21] <Anarchos> mmu_man but i still have my error with vim : catattr: "/packages/vim-7.4-5/.self/bin/gvim", attribute "BEOS:ICON": No such file or directory
[23:07:36] <Anarchos> mmu_man do you think it could be a problem with my indexes ?
[23:08:18] <mmu_man> no the package content is not indexed by BFS
[23:11:05] <Anarchos> mmu_man pulko told me he had no troubles to compile vim
[23:16:15] <mmu_man> well, I had trouble to build pillow the other day at first
[23:16:24] <mmu_man> then something happened and it worked
[23:16:31] <mmu_man> and now it won't build feedparser
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[23:18:03] <mmu_man> aw
[23:18:12] <mmu_man> it doesn't like repository/ being removed
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[23:19:49] <Gareth422> Hey mmu_man!
[23:19:53] <mmu_man> plop
[23:20:55] <Gareth422> I got myself an ARM Chromebook.
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[23:23:27] <Anarchos> mmu_man i just need to compile vim with +python :/
[23:24:48] <HAIKU-irker127> haiku.master: barrett * hrev50075 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=801b3e3bf487+%5E2e3e1a5902f4
[23:24:49] <HAIKU-irker127> 730d0700f5e7: MultiAudioNode: Remove custom lateness code
[23:24:50] <HAIKU-irker127> 801b3e3bf487: MediaEventLooper: Add more safeness on exit
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[23:29:00] <mmu_man> haikuporter just fails if repository/ doesn't exist now
[23:34:39] <mmu_man> of course pulko went to sleep
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[23:36:01] <mmu> 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 15: ordinal not in range(128)
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[23:37:48] <mmu_man> anyone can build python_html2text ?
[23:38:24] <mmu_man> and pillow ?
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[23:56:27] <mmu_man> ohhh I think it's in the COPYRIGHT
[23:56:47] <mmu_man> wtf it used to just buid
[23:56:48] <mmu_man> build
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[23:57:47] <Anarchos> mmu_man i have no troubles with ascii encoding anymore, but my error is really strange
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