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[00:06:06] <Anarchos> Dane__ on another safe drive
[00:06:27] <Anarchos> Dane__ rule of thumbs : always save the most low level possible before trying to recover something
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[00:10:28] <Anarchos> Dane__ what size is the crashed partition ?
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[00:42:07] <Dane__> Anarchos 60GB
[00:42:11] <Dane__> Sorry, was away for awhile
[00:43:33] <Anarchos> Dane__ not sure if the recover tool from axel could deal with it, you should ask him
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[01:01:03] <Dane__> Sorry I keep disappearing, I'm getting a LOT of crashes while I try to copy files.
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[01:01:44] <Dane__> Trying it from the command line instead of Tracker now...to see if that's better.
[01:01:50] <Dane__> What does this error mean?
[01:01:52] <Dane__> /boot/Station/FaithFM> cp /Boot/home/Desktop/FaithFM/* .
[01:01:53] <Dane__> bash: /bin/cp: Argument too big
[01:02:08] <Dane__> I've never seen that before. Too many files to copy?
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[01:05:09] <Dane__> wow, same error with mv, cp, copyattr
[01:05:14] <Dane__> what the... ?
[01:06:56] <Diver> Dane__: ls /Boot/home/Desktop/FaithFM | wc -l
[01:07:38] <Dane__> /Boot/home/Desktop/FaithFM> ls /Boot/home/Desktop/FaithFM | wc -l
[01:07:39] <Dane__> 8600
[01:08:25] <Dane__> diver Maybe I can do it in chunks, wildcard style
[01:08:34] <Dane__> all the a's, then all the b's, etc.
[01:09:39] <Diver> Dane__: try "cp -r /Boot/home/Desktop/FaithFM ."
[01:10:30] <Dane__> nice, it's cranking through it!
[01:10:47] <Dane__> Now we'll see if we get better stability than with Tracker...
[01:11:00] <Diver> what happens with Tracker?
[01:11:03] <Dane__> I was KDL'ing left and right when I tried it with Tracker
[01:11:15] <Dane__> There are a lot of files on this old BeOS drive that give it fits.
[01:11:29] <Dane__> (the drive I'm rescuing files from)
[01:11:36] <Diver> maybe the bfs partition is corrupted
[01:11:41] <Dane__> very likely
[01:11:52] <Diver> that would explain kdls
[01:11:57] <Dane__> I'm hoping the terminal approach will be more forgiving
[01:12:11] <Diver> might be
[01:12:45] <Dane__> So far it *seems* like it' doing better
[01:12:50] <Diver> cp doesn't do any caching, while Tracker can do that
[01:13:32] <Dane__> The -r is to make it recurrent?
[01:13:38] <Dane__> recursive I mean
[01:21:09] <Diver> Dane__: yup
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[01:22:11] <Dane__> Diver 3500 files already and no whammy!
[01:22:59] <Diver> nice! use "sync" just in case when it's done
[01:23:07] <Dane__> will do thanks
[01:23:12] <Dane__> What does sync do?
[01:23:19] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #1879 of x86_64-any-host is complete: Failure [failed [x86_64] [x86_64] @release-anyboot [x86_64] build repository haiku [x86_64] upload_haiku_repository] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86_64-any-host/builds/1879 blamelist: Adrien Destugues <pulkomandy at pulkomandy dot tk>
[01:23:56] <Diver> sync writes any data buffered in memory out to disk. This can include (but is not limited to) modified superblocks, modified inodes, and delayed reads and writes. This must be implemented by the kernel; The sync program does nothing but exercise the http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl2_sync.htm(2) system call.
[01:23:56] <Diver> The kernel keeps data in memory to avoid doing (relatively slow) disk reads and writes. This improves performance, but if the computer crashes, data may be lost or the filesystem corrupted as a result. sync ensures that everything in memory is written to disk.
[01:24:42] <Dane__> kind of makes sense
[01:24:50] <Dane__> Not my strength, that stuff :-)
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[01:25:10] <Dane__> bbiab
[01:32:10] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2738 of x86-debug-any-host is complete: Failure [failed [x86]-debug] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-debug-any-host/builds/2738 blamelist: Adrien Destugues <pulkomandy at pulkomandy dot tk>
[01:35:37] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2453 of x86-Linux64-host is complete: Failure [failed [x86]] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-Linux64-host/builds/2453 blamelist: Adrien Destugues <pulkomandy at pulkomandy dot tk>
[01:53:11] <freakazoid0223> you can gain a small performance by editing the filesystem allocation table and marking a fs async but its not really worth the risk of corruption
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[01:56:08] <freakazoid0223> instead use the noatime (no access time) for personal/workstation use :)
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[01:58:36] <freakazoid0223> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fstab
[01:59:55] <jessicah> Dane__: ah, yeah, you got caught out by shell globbing :) when you did /mydir/* it passed each filename as an argument to cp
[02:00:34] <jessicah> so you were effectively doing cp /mydir/abc /mydir/def ... /mydir/xyz ;)
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[03:05:36] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2580 of x86-FreeBSD-host is complete: Failure [failed [x86] @release-anyboot [x86] @release-vmware [x86] @release-cd [x86] @nightly-raw [x86gcc4hybrid] @release-anyboot [x86gcc4hybrid] @release-vmware [x86gcc4hybrid] @release-cd [x86gcc4hybrid] @nightly-raw [x86gcc4hybrid] build repository haiku [x86gcc4hybrid] upload_haiku_repository] Build details are at
[03:05:36] <HAIKU-Buildbot> http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-FreeBSD-host/builds/2580 blamelist: Adrien Destugues <pulkomandy at pulkomandy dot tk>
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[07:53:24] <jessicah> pon
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[08:03:34] <arfonzo> morning friends
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[08:14:38] <irker-849> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev47182 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=e1e77df+%5E5b172de
[08:14:39] <irker-849> e1e77df: Make gcc4 happy.
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[08:26:15] <arfonzo> mmph, well, build-jsc didn't seem to let make install know to install the jsc binary
[08:27:25] <jessicah> heh
[08:27:45] <jessicah> ah well, guess it's just silly ;)
[08:27:59] <jessicah> file a bug with webkit peoples? :p
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[08:54:33] <irker-849> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev47183 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=c100e05+%5Ee1e77df
[08:54:34] <irker-849> c100e05: Update vim syntax file for checksums
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[09:01:07] <arfonzo> yeah, perhaps I will, or maybe speak to them on irc
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[09:05:15] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #1880 of x86_64-any-host is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86_64-any-host/builds/1880
[09:05:54] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #2739 of x86-debug-any-host is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-debug-any-host/builds/2739
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[09:12:38] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #2454 of x86-Linux64-host is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-Linux64-host/builds/2454
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[09:19:35] <Luko> hi folks
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[09:20:43] <arfonzo> ahoy Luko
[09:20:51] <Luko> i was interest in buying AMD AM Kabini mainboard and cpu, with Radeon 8330 APU, can somebodz tell me is this HW supported by Haiku ? (really sry for my bad english)
[09:21:15] <Luko> this will be my third pc
[09:21:17] <Luko> :D
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[09:21:44] <Luko> Hi arfonzo
[09:21:56] <Luko> and good morning
[09:23:07] <arfonzo> PulkoMandy: have you any suggestions about any network socket library for jsc? It's not something I've seen around and I suppose it might be something that needs some kind of C++ wrapper for jsc to the Network Kit? Any suggestions or ideas about that?
[09:23:49] <jessicah> good morning :)
[09:23:55] <PulkoMandy> can't it use standard POSIX sockets?
[09:24:24] <arfonzo> well there is no Socket library as far as I can see, with webkit
[09:24:52] <arfonzo> but I guess it could use a library that used posix sockets, I'm just not sure where to start looking.
[09:25:43] <PulkoMandy> I don't know, WebKit itself has its own code to do network access but that's not in the JS layer
[09:25:52] <PulkoMandy> I'm not sure what you need/want, either
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[09:26:47] <arfonzo> yeah, AFAIK WebKit has some HTML5-based socket stuff on top
[09:27:09] <arfonzo> what I want is to be able to setup TCP socket listeners (tcp services) to write some network services
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[09:27:35] <arfonzo> i.e., a telnet server, or echo server.
[09:28:18] <arfonzo> in my limited experience in nodeJS, and some other ECMAscripts, they came with socket libraries, but I suppose jsc is not so general-purpose and doesn't have this capability out of the box
[09:30:59] <PulkoMandy> jsc is only an interpreter, similar to bash but using javascript syntax, basically
[09:32:37] <arfonzo> right, but you can load libraries for extra functions, like node, or ruby/gems stuff
[09:33:01] <arfonzo> and I know that in ruby, you could write libraries with inline C/C++ (or something like that)
[09:33:18] <arfonzo> so I was wondering if there's something equivalent here for jsc that you've come across
[09:34:05] <PulkoMandy> http://nodeapp.org/ looks like it might work
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[09:34:43] <arfonzo> ah, this looks very interesting indeed... yeah
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[09:36:27] <PulkoMandy> not sure it's easy to get it building for us... xcode project
[09:36:41] <PulkoMandy> and not sure if it uses the C++ or Objective-C APIs for WebKit...
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[09:36:47] <arfonzo> yes I'm just looking through their git repo...
[09:37:05] <arfonzo> but it does seem to do what I want
[09:37:16] <arfonzo> (provide a 'net' object for JSes)
[09:37:44] <arfonzo> so conceptually at least, it seems to be possible.
[09:37:52] <PulkoMandy> yes
[09:37:54] <arfonzo> thanks for that link, I'll have to dig further later
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[09:38:10] <PulkoMandy> on my TODO list is making libjavascriptcore available in the webkit package...
[09:38:18] <PulkoMandy> for now everything is bundled in libhaikuwebkit
[09:38:36] <PulkoMandy> but we could have the separate js and webcore libs, allowing people to link to those directly
[09:38:42] <PulkoMandy> I think that's what nodeapp does
[09:39:16] <arfonzo> that would be fantastic... the reason I'm looking at all this js/network stuff is because I run a JS-based BBS, and have written a lot of things in JS. I'd love to write a Haiku-based BBS in JS... one fine day.
[09:39:40] <arfonzo> a way to detach it from all this webkit/webcore stuff would be nice
[09:39:51] <arfonzo> but at the moment I'm just happy jsc works at all on Haiku... still early days I suppose
[09:41:23] <PulkoMandy> yes, and many things to do in the web browser already
[09:46:24] <arfonzo> yeah, I don't want to detract from the Web+ work, that is far more important for "real users" :)
[09:46:44] <arfonzo> it would be nice to maybe break it out into a 'jsc' package
[09:47:38] <PulkoMandy> well, sounds like something haikuporter can do
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[09:56:03] <arfonzo> aye definitely, I'd like to look at that when I understand the haikuwebkit recipe/build env a bit more.
[09:56:22] <arfonzo> I guess first we need to get jsc included in the package... blerg.
[09:59:46] <PulkoMandy> I'm still puzzled as to why cmake isn't doing that...
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[10:02:22] <arfonzo> I'm going to try to use 'build-jsc', then to manually copy the jsc bin to $binDir...
[10:03:02] <arfonzo> Just started the build, but now I must work. I tend to get to try one thing a day, at this rate :|
[10:04:49] <PulkoMandy> well, it looks like buildjsc will just be calling cmake
[10:05:09] <PulkoMandy> so this will have the same result as the jsc that's already built
[10:05:30] <PulkoMandy> and I think you need make install for it to work after installation, rather than a copy... but that doesn't work :/
[10:05:41] <PulkoMandy> I'll have another look at debugging this when I package 1.3.1
[10:05:49] <arfonzo> yeah, jessicah and I had a chat about it yesterday and were hoping that by running build-jsc, cmake would make the 'make install' aware of jsc and that would install it.
[10:06:08] <arfonzo> but yes, that didn't work. :(
[10:06:26] <PulkoMandy> yes, it's just running cmake : make jsc, nothing more
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[10:06:44] <PulkoMandy> (well, after checking your're not on Mac OS, in which case it would use xcode projects to do the same)
[10:06:45] <jessicah> hmm, if i can only use new(std::nothrow), does that mean I can't use stack allocated class instances?
[10:07:02] <PulkoMandy> jessicah: why "only" ?
[10:07:17] <jessicah> i'm in bootloader code
[10:07:38] <PulkoMandy> stack-allocated should be fine if your object is small enough to not overflow the stack then
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[10:07:50] <PulkoMandy> the restriction is not using plain new because there is no exception support
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[10:08:27] <jessicah> hmm, okay..
[10:08:44] <jessicah> because stuff dies when i have Class instance(blah, blah, blah);
[10:10:55] <PulkoMandy> could be a stack overflow if your class is big enough
[10:11:09] <PulkoMandy> not sure what the stack size is and if we have a way to grow it in bootloader
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[12:48:38] <arfonzo> PulkoMandy: I've rebuilt splinter, and timing a fresh build of webkit. I'm interested to see how long it takes initially on this machine.
[12:52:06] <PulkoMandy> ok
[12:53:49] <arfonzo> did I need ninja?
[12:54:52] <PulkoMandy> it's not needed, but it's faster than make
[12:55:51] <arfonzo> ok, haikuporter is still grabbing the 1.3.0 tarball, so I'll install ninja_x86 via pkgman now
[12:56:29] <arfonzo> (I hope that's ok to install it in parallel to the recipe being built)
[12:57:44] <OmniMancer> which backend does the recipe tell cmake to use?
[13:04:47] <PulkoMandy> the recipe won't use it for now
[13:04:56] <PulkoMandy> it always uses make
[13:05:04] <PulkoMandy> I haven't patched this yet...
[13:07:29] <arfonzo> ah, ok
[13:18:16] <OmniMancer> I thought so, you have to explicitly tell cmake what generator to use
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[13:20:29] <PulkoMandy> actually, cmake isn't called directly, we go through webkit build scripts
[13:20:48] <PulkoMandy> and these have support for detecting and using ninja, but this is enabled only for GTK builds currently
[13:21:06] <OmniMancer> ah okay
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[16:48:52] <irker-849> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev47184 [3 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=1d09e9c+%5Ec100e05
[16:48:52] <irker-849> 8d25095: Fix ptrdiff_t limits introduced in r24654 (!)
[16:48:53] <irker-849> 8073fcb: Style fixesStyle fixes.
[16:48:53] <irker-849> 1d09e9c: BScrollbar: remove unused field.
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[16:57:51] <Guest91646> [haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/commits/
[16:57:53] <Guest91646> [haikuports] Adrien Destugues ab51ac0 - Add recipe for ruby 2.1.1 * Marked as broken, as trying to build it here triggers a package_daemon crash (during install phase). Can someone else reproduce, or is my Haiku install broken?
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[21:23:29] <Guest91646> [haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/commits/
[21:23:34] <Guest91646> [haikuports] Adrien Destugues 4f8204e - Add recipe for Linaro's fork of qemu * Supports beagleboard and beagleboard XM.
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[22:13:05] <AlienSoldier> after not being impressed at all by the video (a company... a VP, really?) i got a lot of comedy reading the comment http://games.slashdot.org/story/14/04/26/2155206/et-found-in-new-mexico-landfill.org/story/14/04/29/1638220/firefox-29-redesign
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[22:15:01] <irker-849> haiku.master: korli * hrev47185 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=79895ee+%5E1d09e9c
[22:15:01] <irker-849> 79895ee: Fix gcc 4.9.0 build
[22:15:09] <umccullough> is it the ET found in new mexico, or the firefox redesign?
[22:15:41] <umccullough> seems everything base "landfill" is junk :)
[22:16:06] <umccullough> s/base/past
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[22:51:01] <pemdp> Hello
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[23:20:17] <bbjimmy> http://developers-beta.slashdot.org/story/14/04/29/1534238/50-years-of-basic-the-language-that-made-computers-personal
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[23:53:15] <Anarchos> hi everybody. If i have physical BeFS partitions and i connect them to a vmware , will it erase the data on them ?
[23:56:56] <jessicah> if you tell vmware to erase them, pretty sure it will
[23:56:57] <jessicah> :p
[23:58:12] <Anarchos> jessicah i just want to be able to mount them from the vmware
[23:58:36] <umccullough> it shouldn't erase them unless you boot something in the VM that does
[23:58:54] <umccullough> but if you're totally unsure, i would make a full disk backup first
[23:59:11] <Anarchos> i only boot vmware with the haiku image
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