April 28, 2014 
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April 28, 2014 [00:00:08] *** PasNox has quit IRC[00:07:30] <irker-849> haiku.master: kallisti5 * hrev47178 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=c0b833b+%5E2bd9c8a[00:07:30] <irker-849> 1274874: docs: Cleanup beagle documentation a little[00:07:31] <irker-849> c0b833b: build: Fix raspberry_pi target board name. Not pi[00:10:10] <PovAddict> jessicah: meow[00:17:04] <PovAddict> hm osm.org doesn't load in Web+[00:25:41] <puckipedia> Woo! Finally done driving to the next hotel![00:25:54] <puckipedia> In the car, I obviously worked on Haiku stuff :P[00:26:06] <PovAddict> you worked on haiku stuff while driving?[00:26:10] <PovAddict> sounds dangerous[00:26:22] <puckipedia> No, someone else drove[00:26:28] <puckipedia> I'm 14 actually[00:26:55] <PovAddict> :)[00:27:07] <puckipedia> We're doing a roadtrip through CA mostly[00:27:43] <PovAddict> while in the city, I survey data for openstreetmap from the backseat[00:28:05] <PovAddict> in a roadtrip (driving in the middle of nowhere between cities) there isn't much useful info to collect though[00:29:05] <puckipedia> heh[00:29:18] *** mmadia has quit IRC[00:29:24] <puckipedia> lol[00:29:45] <puckipedia> My IRC client (CIRC for Chrome) shows the quit message of mmadia as HAIKU®[00:29:51] <puckipedia> not sure if the corruption copies[00:30:30] <PovAddict> yeah[00:32:10] <FreeFull> Incorrect UTF8 handling[00:32:19] <FreeFull> For me it just shows the (R)[00:32:38] <puckipedia> Well, it is a IRC client written in JavaScript[00:33:09] <PovAddict> did you hear of the web developer drinking game?[00:33:39] <PovAddict> 1. think of a noun; 2. search <noun>.js; 3. if a library with that name exists, drink[00:34:32] <puckipedia> well, I'm a bit too young for that[00:34:37] <PovAddict> :)[00:35:21] <puckipedia> You know 💩.la?[00:35:33] <PovAddict> that appears corrupted here[00:35:37] <PovAddict> looks like <?><?>.la[00:35:41] <puckipedia> yep[00:35:43] <waddlesplash> appears correct here[00:35:44] <puckipedia> or[00:35:49] <puckipedia> you're not on a mack[00:35:50] <puckipedia> mac*[00:36:15] <puckipedia> it's xn--ls8h.la in punycode[00:36:31] <puckipedia> reminded me thinking of stupid js libraries[00:36:36] <waddlesplash> PovAddict: do you intend to do anything with your commit access?[00:36:43] <waddlesplash> To Qt-Haiku I mean[00:36:47] <PovAddict> I was afk till now mostly[00:37:22] <PovAddict> any idea what the first steps should be?[00:38:56] <waddlesplash> Well, if you're clueless[00:39:11] <waddlesplash> I probably should let you do this through PRs so I can review[00:39:27] <waddlesplash> Mind losing commit access? :-P[00:39:36] <PovAddict> fine with that :P[00:40:33] <waddlesplash> Done. OK, so the first thing to do is to decide what branch we're working on[00:40:38] <waddlesplash> Stable, right?[00:42:09] *** axeld has quit IRC[00:45:07] *** jua_ has quit IRC[00:45:28] *** guillaum1 has left #haiku[00:48:24] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[01:00:38] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[01:02:51] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[01:06:04] <jessicah> hey pobbles[01:06:22] <jessicah> was afk, fixing the problems created by the walking disaster that is adam[01:06:30] <PovAddict> kitten?[01:06:32] <jessicah> fyi, never name your kid adam[01:06:40] <jessicah> unfortunately, no[01:06:43] <jessicah> adam is a person[01:07:00] * PovAddict didn't know jessicah had kids[01:07:02] * PovAddict runs[01:08:27] *** KapiX has left #haiku[01:09:24] <jessicah> i only have kittehs[01:10:05] <jessicah> i just meant like: first adam caused the fall of man, co-worker adam caused fall of our team...[01:10:19] <puckipedia> ah[01:10:21] <jessicah> over-generalised trend ;)[01:10:23] <PovAddict> ah coworker[01:11:32] <jessicah> his brain was on fire from the stress he created by tampering with things without going through standard process and screwing it all up[01:12:09] <puckipedia> may want to check that out[01:12:38] <puckipedia> "[12.3838848] br0 on fire"[01:13:13] <jessicah> in the end, instead of providing advice, just took over and fixed it all in 10 minutes, what he been struggling with for almost 2 hours...[01:13:28] <jessicah> and pretty much ruining the entire class, lol[01:13:33] <puckipedia> class?[01:13:40] <jessicah> i work at a uni[01:13:51] <puckipedia> ah[01:13:51] <jessicah> provide image management for computer fleets[01:13:52] *** Xenmen has joined #haiku[01:14:02] <puckipedia> Windows XP?[01:14:06] <jessicah> hell no[01:14:09] <puckipedia> had to ask[01:14:13] <jessicah> we ditched that couple years ago[01:14:33] <puckipedia> Our school will still use it until summer holiday[01:14:39] <PovAddict> "Windows XP dies at 12 1/2 after long illness"[01:14:41] <jessicah> i always strive to go to the next version as soon as possible[01:14:54] <PovAddict> jessicah: are you on windows 8 then? :/[01:15:00] <puckipedia> Windows 8 is ok[01:15:04] <jessicah> my desktops all run windows 8.1 atm[01:15:06] <jessicah> yes[01:15:09] <jessicah> not 8[01:15:11] <puckipedia> I would say it's even better than 7[01:15:11] <jessicah> i don't like 8[01:15:16] <jessicah> it is[01:15:21] <jessicah> 8.1 is very fast[01:15:21] <PovAddict> I don't like metro[01:15:30] <jessicah> i hardly use metro[01:15:43] <puckipedia> I hardly use it to[01:15:45] <puckipedia> o[01:16:03] <puckipedia> I just do Win + "$keyboard"[01:16:11] <puckipedia> I just do Win + "$searchterm"*[01:16:16] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[01:16:39] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[01:17:07] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[01:25:48] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[01:29:48] *** oco2 has quit IRC[01:30:10] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[01:31:29] *** petterhj has quit IRC[01:38:07] *** luroh has quit IRC[01:38:20] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[01:49:40] *** DaaT has quit IRC[01:52:51] <PovAddict> waddlesplash: seen this? http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lib.qt.devel/13542[02:17:52] *** kcj_ has joined #haiku[02:19:31] <jessicah> PovAddict: which are you working on? a new port of Qt5?[02:29:07] *** orealis_ has joined #haiku[02:30:00] *** orealis has quit IRC[02:30:00] *** orealis_ is now known as orealis[02:32:24] *** Vidiot_X has joined #haiku[02:58:58] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[03:00:08] *** kcj_ has quit IRC[03:49:42] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[03:58:47] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[04:04:43] <waddlesplash> Oh, Giova[04:04:57] <waddlesplash> He was around a while ago but has almost zero coding skills[04:05:18] <waddlesplash> I wasn't that involved when he was, so I didn't give it that much thought[04:07:37] <waddlesplash> He posted nearly everywhere to get someone to toek on it tho ;-)[04:07:56] <waddlesplash> *to work[04:07:56] <waddlesplash> jessicah: I started and PovAddict was interested, so he's going to b helping I think[04:07:59] <waddlesplash> He noticed my post in the qt channel and got interested :-)[04:08:20] *** FreeFull has quit IRC[04:09:34] *** pdziepak has quit IRC[04:34:29] *** flos has joined #haiku[04:39:26] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[04:42:10] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[04:52:36] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[05:03:32] <jessicah> yeah he mentioned in another channel that someone was asking about Qt and haiku[05:04:32] <puckipedia> hmm[05:04:37] <puckipedia> Kinda annoying[05:04:42] <PovAddict> I'm afraid of tackling the first steps though: dealing with qmake and the configure script[05:04:51] <puckipedia> my replies to the DragMessage don't[05:04:52] <puckipedia> wait[05:04:55] <puckipedia> *derp*[05:05:15] <puckipedia> Oh, wow[05:05:20] <puckipedia> that is the best way to debug[05:05:29] <IIsi50MHz> ?[05:05:40] <puckipedia> Just realised my mistake typing this question[05:06:07] <jessicah> PovAddict: heh, that bad huh?[05:06:09] <PovAddict> puckipedia: get a rubber duck[05:06:31] <PovAddict> puckipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging[05:06:38] <puckipedia> ik[05:06:48] <IIsi50MHz> Ah. Sometimes the short route to a solution is to explain the problem to someone else (regardless of their likelihood of having an answer).[05:06:59] <IIsi50MHz> Handy, that.[05:07:25] <IIsi50MHz> (Actually, I should do it more often, instead of beating my head against a code wall.)[05:07:41] <puckipedia> HAHA[05:07:43] <puckipedia> FIXED IT :D[05:10:26] <puckipedia> well, almost[05:22:47] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[05:25:53] *** dstritt has joined #haiku[05:31:58] *** Malmis has quit IRC[05:34:58] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[05:37:58] <puckipedia> argh[05:38:07] <puckipedia> horrible problems :d[05:38:15] <puckipedia> (no, not a typo)[05:49:20] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[05:56:59] *** PovAddict has quit IRC[06:07:08] <puckipedia> !error -2147459069[06:07:15] <puckipedia> epigraph offline, again[06:08:15] *** darithorn has quit IRC[06:11:11] *** darithorn has joined #haiku[06:12:15] <IIsi50MHz> licking your nose, in that smiley?[06:12:51] <puckipedia> nope[06:12:52] <puckipedia> :P[06:13:08] <IIsi50MHz> Well, you said not a typo...[06:13:25] <puckipedia> kinda D: but somewhat less[06:13:37] <IIsi50MHz> Ah. Never saw it that way.[06:15:40] *** darithorn has quit IRC[06:15:47] <IIsi50MHz> :{ might be similar?[06:16:31] <IIsi50MHz> :¶ talking with mouth full, or got a gecko across the mouth? O.o[06:16:52] <IIsi50MHz> I really don't know what that character is meant to be. *zooms page*[06:17:27] <IIsi50MHz> 150% zoom...and now it looks like a snail. I give up. >.<[06:17:34] <jessicah> kinda likes like a backwards paragraph marker[06:17:38] <jessicah> looks*[06:17:52] <puckipedia> lol[06:28:46] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[06:43:13] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[06:49:29] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[06:49:32] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[06:57:17] *** Jafura has quit IRC[06:57:39] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[06:58:43] *** kcj_ has joined #haiku[07:01:27] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[07:05:19] <dnivra> auronandace: Sorry for the delay in answering :). Yes I'm the one working on the ARM port. Ah thanks for that! I didn't know Minix supports beaglebone black.[07:07:25] *** tqh has joined #haiku[07:09:53] <dnivra> Premislaus: Apologies for the delay to answer the questions. Well I'm not sure if that really arises. I do hope to get Haiku running on the board so I guess all instructions will have to be supported? If it turns out that'll be needed, I'll probably do it.[07:09:54] *** Jafura has joined #haiku[07:39:24] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[07:49:24] *** stargater has joined #haiku[07:49:58] <stargater> moin[08:09:38] *** planktonizer has quit IRC[08:21:38] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[08:30:14] *** tqh has quit IRC[08:31:47] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[08:32:42] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[08:33:11] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[08:36:09] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[08:39:55] *** samsruti has joined #haiku[08:40:07] <samsruti> hii[08:40:11] <samsruti> i am new to this org[08:40:20] <samsruti> can anyone help me , ?[08:40:27] <samsruti> how to contribute ?[08:42:09] <e1z0> http://www.haiku-inc.org/donations.html#online[08:43:05] <PulkoMandy> hi[08:43:27] <PulkoMandy> samsruti: what do you want to contribute? code? money? something else?[08:43:52] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[08:44:48] *** samsruti has quit IRC[08:46:48] <auronandace> dnivra: i hope it goes well for you[08:47:46] *** zz_NumberNoid is now known as NumberNoid[09:05:48] *** NumberNoid is now known as zz_NumberNoid[09:10:39] *** samsruti has joined #haiku[09:11:26] *** stargater has quit IRC[09:14:53] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[09:16:37] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[09:17:04] <jessicah> hey samsruti[09:17:11] <jessicah> contributions are always welcome :)[09:17:16] <jessicah> how do you want to contribute?[09:17:32] <samsruti> you suggest[09:18:12] <jessicah> like do you want to program? write documentation? become a regular donator?[09:18:20] <jessicah> be a tester?[09:18:24] <jessicah> write unit tests?[09:18:42] <samsruti> everything. :)[09:19:05] <jessicah> ;) well, how about we start at the beginning[09:19:10] <jessicah> what are your skills?[09:19:25] <samsruti> okkk..[09:19:36] <samsruti> i know python , c++ , html[09:19:39] <jessicah> ps, donations can be done at http://haiku-inc.org/donations.html ;)[09:19:44] * jessicah is a regular donator[09:20:13] * samsruti having limited internet connection. :P[09:20:20] <jessicah> hmm. would you be interested in writing unit tests maybe?[09:20:31] <jessicah> it's something we're seriously lacking in...[09:20:35] <samsruti> i dont know much about testing[09:20:38] <jessicah> very hard to catch regressions atm[09:20:40] <jessicah> hmm[09:20:50] <jessicah> are you interested in kernel space/user space stuff?[09:20:54] <samsruti> will you help me to teach ?[09:21:19] <samsruti> i use windows. :P[09:21:20] <jessicah> i don't really have a lot of time for teaching. i'm currently a mentor for GSoC, and expect that will take up a lot of time[09:21:27] <jessicah> however, we have a lot of guides and stuff[09:21:47] <samsruti> can i contribute for haiku in windows[09:21:48] <samsruti> ?[09:21:52] <jessicah> http://haiku-os.org/development[09:21:56] <PulkoMandy> not easily[09:21:57] <jessicah> it doesn't build in windows[09:22:17] <PulkoMandy> but you can run it in a virtual machine and work from inside haiku[09:22:21] <jessicah> if you have a fairly modern CPU (e.g. 3rd/4th gen i5), you can compile from a linux VM[09:22:29] <jessicah> it's what i personally do[09:22:38] <jessicah> i run ubuntu server edition inside vbox[09:22:42] <PulkoMandy> try to use the system, maybe write some simple app, and soon enough you'll have many things to fix in the OS itself[09:22:44] <jessicah> and configure ssh & samba[09:23:04] <samsruti> virtual machine ?[09:23:09] <jessicah> yeah[09:23:10] <samsruti> how to use that ?[09:23:21] <jessicah> google? :)[09:23:42] <jessicah> install ubuntu server in virtualbox, select openssh and samba at the package selection screen[09:23:47] <PulkoMandy> you can get either vmware or virtualbox, they are both reasonably easy to use[09:24:06] <samsruti> okk let me install VMware first[09:24:08] <PulkoMandy> we provide prepared haiku images at http://haiku-files.org which you can get to run with them[09:24:17] <jessicah> sudo nano -w /etc/samba/smb.conf, and enable the sections at the bottom for [homes], and make them writable (the file is commented)[09:24:44] <jessicah> then read some guides on the web about using ubuntu i suppose[09:24:44] <PulkoMandy> I think a good start to contributing to Haiku is trying to use the system and see how it works[09:24:51] <jessicah> that too :)[09:24:52] <samsruti> okk[09:25:00] <samsruti> :)[09:25:43] <jessicah> wow, the linking in the bootloader is very brittle =/[09:26:00] <jessicah> esp with efi...[09:26:08] *** Xenmen has quit IRC[09:27:17] <arfonzo> morning Haiku friends[09:31:00] *** TimKack has joined #haiku[09:31:22] <jessicah> good morning arfonzo[09:34:37] <PulkoMandy> hi[09:38:37] *** TimKack has quit IRC[09:39:07] *** tkack has joined #haiku[09:39:34] *** tkack is now known as TimKack[09:43:14] <arfonzo> hey guys[09:43:25] <arfonzo> I'm trying the build-jsc script this morning...[09:43:33] <arfonzo> oh, working too, heh. :( I'll let you guys know.[09:44:13] <PulkoMandy> ok[09:45:42] <PulkoMandy> it looks like a complicated way of running cmake ; make jsc[09:47:18] *** _3dEyes has joined #haiku[09:50:29] *** cnuke has joined #haiku[09:51:36] *** samsruti has quit IRC[09:55:32] <Guest91646> [haikuports] zooey pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±5] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/commits/[09:55:35] <Guest91646> [haikuports] zooey 377c418 - Correct more SRC_FILENAMEs[09:58:18] *** dstritt has quit IRC[09:59:59] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[10:00:57] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[10:09:31] *** stippi has joined #haiku[10:09:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[10:10:17] *** Vidiot_X has quit IRC[10:15:39] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[10:16:07] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[10:22:57] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[10:24:27] * arfonzo patching build-jsc script a bit...[10:28:30] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[10:39:44] *** stargater has joined #haiku[10:40:20] <stargater> hi and re[10:40:52] <stargater> have anyone write me to query chat? i cant not read, my screen are frosen![10:41:07] <gordonjcp> stargater: not sure what you mean[10:46:23] *** KapiX has joined #haiku[10:49:43] <arfonzo> stargater: I didn't. :)[11:00:47] <jessicah> grr, the EFI linking process is completely fucked[11:01:47] <jessicah> either that, or jam doesn't know how to rebuild properly[11:02:53] <jessicah> i feel like i'm chasing ghosts :([11:09:23] *** poxip has joined #haiku[11:12:03] *** poxip has quit IRC[11:12:20] *** poxip has joined #haiku[11:15:03] *** nighty-_ has joined #haiku[11:20:48] *** Diver has quit IRC[11:21:25] *** Diver has joined #haiku[11:43:57] *** nande has joined #haiku[11:44:57] *** stippi has quit IRC[11:45:03] *** stippi1 has joined #haiku[11:45:04] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi1[11:50:36] *** kcj_ has quit IRC[11:59:15] *** i336_ has quit IRC[12:18:24] *** leszek has joined #haiku[12:19:11] <leszek> hi[12:19:50] <jessicah> hihi[12:21:27] *** flos has quit IRC[12:38:34] *** kkux has quit IRC[12:43:04] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[12:44:46] *** m0ns0on has joined #haiku[12:44:46] *** m0nso0n has quit IRC[12:45:54] *** pcsnyorf has joined #haiku[12:53:27] <irker-849> haiku.master: jessicah * hrev47179 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=273109e+%5Ec0b833b[12:53:27] <irker-849> 273109e: Fix window behavior when default button is present[12:53:49] <Anarchos> thanks jessicah :)[12:54:45] <jessicah> :)[12:54:49] <Anarchos> jessicah how do you develop/test/ commit ? Cause you can't do all that on a package manage version ?[12:55:15] <jessicah> i build in linux, run haiku vm to test[12:55:32] <jessicah> even if haiku wasn't package managed, i find this a simpler workflow[12:55:59] <Anarchos> jessicah which vm do you use on linux ?[12:56:08] <jessicah> i don't[12:56:12] <jessicah> i use vbox on windows[12:56:19] <jessicah> linux is a vm on windows as well[12:56:39] <jessicah> so i build in a vm, then run the build in another vm accessing image in the linux vm...[12:56:40] <Anarchos> so haiku runs in a vm on linux which runs in a vm on windows ?[12:56:44] <jessicah> it's all a bit of a mess, lol[12:56:58] <PulkoMandy> Anarchos: you can copy the newly built libbe.so next to an executable (in the lib/ folder) and run the executable[12:57:02] <PulkoMandy> and it will use your new lib[12:57:16] <PulkoMandy> you can also use the test_app_server when doing changes on the app_server side[12:57:35] <PulkoMandy> even before PM, modifying your running system to test things was a very bad idea[12:57:40] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy which lib/ folder ?[12:57:48] <PulkoMandy> create one next to an executable[12:57:51] <Anarchos> ok[12:57:56] <PulkoMandy> this is where the runtime loader will look first[12:58:02] <PulkoMandy> (see the LIBRARY_PATH variable)[12:58:02] *** pcsnyorf has quit IRC[12:58:12] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy oh sure i missed this variable[12:58:14] <PulkoMandy> or you can modify the LIBRARY_PATH to suit your needs, too[12:58:25] *** nande has quit IRC[13:02:10] *** pcsnyorf has joined #haiku[13:04:21] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[13:07:15] *** pcsnyorf has quit IRC[13:09:57] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[13:11:58] *** pcsnyorf has joined #haiku[13:31:54] *** Blub\0 has joined #haiku[13:34:18] *** Blub\w has quit IRC[13:38:44] *** The_Librarian has quit IRC[13:39:48] <OmniMancer> hmmm[13:40:03] <jessicah> hey OmniMancer[13:40:17] <OmniMancer> unfortunately test_app_server can't help much with accelerant dev[13:40:54] <jessicah> how come?[13:41:11] <PulkoMandy> needs hardware access...[13:41:11] <OmniMancer> because it runs an app server in a window[13:41:35] <PulkoMandy> OmniMancer: QEmu has a (working) PCI bypass now[13:41:44] <PulkoMandy> so you can work on a real video card from inside qemu[13:41:53] <OmniMancer> I guess at best you could try to do 2 graphics cards and try to run two app servers with one binding to the second card[13:41:58] <OmniMancer> or do that for the same thing[13:42:15] <PulkoMandy> well, actually you don't need a full app_server to test your accelerant[13:42:26] <PulkoMandy> just load_add_on and call the hooks directly[13:42:32] <OmniMancer> still, if your graphics stuff borks you will have a fun time restarting :P[13:42:39] <PulkoMandy> you can set the video mode, get the frame buffer and stuff a bitmap in there[13:42:50] <OmniMancer> yea[13:43:02] <OmniMancer> I was thinking more for 3d accel development[13:43:12] <PulkoMandy> same for that[13:43:16] <OmniMancer> but I still have some things I need to clear up before I can do anything on that[13:43:38] <OmniMancer> PulkoMandy: the issue is you won't have any insulation from errors[13:43:51] <OmniMancer> if you break the graphics rendering your screen goes away[13:44:03] <PulkoMandy> not if you work on a second card[13:44:19] <OmniMancer> I guess[13:44:40] <OmniMancer> I still feel some app server development will be needed for 3d accel though[13:46:05] <PulkoMandy> app_server already has most of the needed support, I think[13:46:33] <PulkoMandy> it gives you a BGLView which should allow direct access to the video card, similar to BDirectWindow and BWindowScreen[13:46:47] <PulkoMandy> there, the accelerant is loaded into the app, so the calls to the graphics card are direct[13:47:04] <PulkoMandy> and the only thing you have to do with app_server is locking/unlocking access to the hardware[13:47:19] <PulkoMandy> the problem is to make our accelerant work reliably this way[13:47:52] <PulkoMandy> the intel one is buggy, the radeon one I think does too much things accelerant side and was not designed to work that way[13:57:30] *** poxip has quit IRC[14:02:18] <gordonjcp> surely you could work just as well on real hardware with two cards?[14:02:24] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[14:03:22] <PulkoMandy> gordonjcp: yes[14:04:06] <PulkoMandy> assuming you can get app_server to pick the working one, while you work on the other...[14:04:26] <PulkoMandy> and if the two cards are handled by the same accelerant, this may be a bit tricky[14:07:56] *** tidux has joined #haiku[14:10:49] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[14:12:49] <gordonjcp> PulkoMandy: yes[14:13:05] <gordonjcp> PulkoMandy: it would almost certainly be easier with two different types of card[14:13:18] <PulkoMandy> yes[14:14:54] <OmniMancer> PulkoMandy: I'm not sure if keeping that model is useful in future[14:15:03] <OmniMancer> but we shall see[14:15:30] <OmniMancer> lots of stuff will have to move kernel side in the radeon driver[14:17:35] <OmniMancer> I don't think it does anything too weird though so it should still work in the kernel[14:19:07] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[14:20:29] <KapiX> jessicah: ping[14:21:35] <jessicah> meow[14:22:15] <KapiX> thanks for applying my patch, but I thought about it and it struck me that it was actually an intended behavior[14:22:41] <jessicah> are you kidding?[14:22:45] <KapiX> space is meant to be pressing the highlighted button[14:22:51] <jessicah> it has been an annoyance for me since day one[14:22:52] <KapiX> and enter the default one[14:23:07] <jessicah> that's completely non-intuitive[14:23:08] <KapiX> I know[14:23:13] <jessicah> and i think the new behaviour is better[14:23:16] <KapiX> I think it should be discussed[14:23:22] <jessicah> if nobody complains, i don't think it should be reverted[14:23:22] <KapiX> I think that too[14:23:26] <KapiX> ok[14:23:55] <jessicah> haiku is all about sane defaults, and this is sane[14:23:59] <jessicah> i tested it fairly well[14:24:18] <jessicah> when some other text fields were focused, the enter key still did the default action[14:24:30] <jessicah> and when the revert button was highlighted, it reverted instead[14:25:03] <tidux> u/part[14:25:05] *** tidux has left #haiku[14:25:28] <jessicah> can't say it was thorough testing, but it seems to be doing the right thing atm[14:25:53] <KapiX> yes, I was worried it would break Go to line window in Pe (BTextControl is BControl)[14:25:56] <KapiX> but it didn't[14:26:04] <KapiX> so I guess everything is ok[14:28:35] <PulkoMandy> jessicah: stippi complained on the commits ML already[14:30:29] <KapiX> I will do some more testing with text fields[14:30:50] *** pcsnyorf has quit IRC[14:31:07] <KapiX> as that seems to be the biggest problem[14:31:15] <KapiX> with the new behavior[14:31:28] *** pcsnyorf has joined #haiku[14:32:52] <PulkoMandy> to me the old behavior made sense, use enter to select the default button, escape to dismiss the window, and space for focus navigation[14:33:11] <PulkoMandy> but I don't use keyboard navigation enough to care about it[14:35:55] *** stargater has quit IRC[14:40:18] *** pcsnyorf has quit IRC[14:40:27] *** pcsnyorf has joined #haiku[14:42:55] <HeTo> KapiX: jessicah Windows handles the issue by making the button with focus be the default button; only when the focus is in a control that is not a button, it makes the button specified as a default button in the dialog template a default button[14:43:37] <KapiX> that's how it work now[14:43:39] <KapiX> works*[14:44:18] <HeTo> ah[14:44:46] <jessicah> \o/ finally got efi simple network initialised[14:49:18] *** poxip has joined #haiku[14:49:43] <PulkoMandy> :D[14:55:24] *** pcsnyorf has quit IRC[14:56:05] *** pcsnyorf has joined #haiku[14:56:47] <jessicah> i need like a 5-button programmable keyboard[14:57:05] *** pcsnyorf has quit IRC[14:57:31] <jessicah> username, password, bash command, password, reboot[15:02:07] <PulkoMandy> mh... bash alias? ssh key auth?[15:04:39] <jessicah> hmm, that might be a good idea[15:05:48] <KapiX> jessicah: perhaps stippi is right it should check only for B*Buttons, I checked that on windows and check/radioboxes toggle only when space is pressed[15:06:02] <KapiX> I'll make another patch and reopen the bug[15:06:54] <jessicah> do checkboxes get toggled with enter now? :o[15:07:15] <KapiX> yes[15:07:46] <jessicah> oh, huh[15:07:58] <KapiX> I thought that's fine too, but I was wrong[15:08:01] <jessicah> well that post on ML explains why my test worked for textboxes =/[15:08:38] <KapiX> I also tested it with textboxes[15:08:46] <KapiX> if it didn't work I would post it[15:09:03] <KapiX> wouldn't*[15:12:36] *** _3dEyes has quit IRC[15:16:29] *** useragent has joined #haiku[15:16:55] *** poxip has quit IRC[15:18:08] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[15:18:27] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[15:18:33] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[15:21:24] *** useragent has quit IRC[15:32:11] <KapiX> one question about the code[15:32:38] <KapiX> if I want to check for BPictureButton should I include whole header or just make forward declaration?[15:32:48] <KapiX> coding guidelines doesn't seem to explain that[15:33:03] *** kkux has joined #haiku[15:33:30] <PulkoMandy> forward declaration whenever possible[15:33:54] <KapiX> under all includes?[15:34:10] <PulkoMandy> yes, skip two lines, as usual[15:37:04] <KapiX> hmm, I'm not sure if I will make it right[15:37:17] <KapiX> http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/kits/interface/Window.cpp maybe it should be with other structs definitions?[15:37:55] <KapiX> ok, nevermind[15:38:07] <KapiX> it's dynamic_cast so it needs to know whole class[15:40:54] *** kkux has quit IRC[15:52:49] *** kkux has joined #haiku[15:59:21] <KapiX> jessicah, I added another patch to https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/10792[15:59:44] <KapiX> did some testing, I think it works[16:08:58] *** Diver has quit IRC[16:12:04] *** Diver has joined #haiku[16:15:51] *** PovAddict has joined 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#haiku[18:33:06] <marc_smith> how's Haiku working on 64bit systems?[18:34:53] <Premislaus> marc_smith: Unfortunately, 64-bit is not default and is not a priority. It has less stuff and more bugs...[18:36:32] *** darithorn has joined #haiku[18:37:03] *** poxip has joined #haiku[18:39:27] <marc_smith> I see[18:39:39] <marc_smith> so, basically, I can still run 32bit?[18:39:54] <marc_smith> and the only limitation is 4GB of RAM?[18:41:16] *** FreeFull has joined #haiku[18:41:50] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[18:41:55] <gordonjcp> marc_smith: pretty much[18:42:00] <gordonjcp> 4GB is *masses* for Haiku anyway[18:42:54] *** stippi has quit IRC[18:43:47] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[18:44:25] <Anarchos> marc_smith you can use swap too on the disk ;)[18:44:31] <Premislaus> we have PAE[18:46:29] <marc_smith> well, not that I really need that "over-4G" thing. I use exactly 4 gigs of RAM and I'm happy with that. Last time I tried Haiku I ran 64bit and I didn't figure out to use 32bit ... stupid me[18:46:39] <FreeFull> PAE lets you use 64GB of RAM[18:51:44] *** happy-dude has quit IRC[18:55:55] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[18:57:22] *** marc_smith has quit IRC[19:00:44] *** poxip has quit IRC[19:04:12] *** poxip has joined #haiku[19:05:24] *** bebop-haiku has joined #haiku[19:10:42] *** confamuse has quit IRC[19:12:52] *** confamuse has joined #haiku[19:13:25] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[19:16:06] *** planktonizer has joined #haiku[19:17:59] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[19:21:42] *** poxip has quit IRC[19:22:00] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[19:22:36] *** pdziepak has joined #haiku[19:23:01] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[19:25:41] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[19:29:20] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[19:29:35] *** nighty-_ has quit IRC[19:29:58] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[19:30:18] *** nighty-_ has joined #haiku[19:33:09] <Premislaus> PulkoMandy: nice progress - http://keithp.com/blogs/Glamor_performance/ , http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?99467-The-Current-Performance-Of-GLAMOR-Acceleration&p=413979#post413979 - Is it possible for app_server?[19:33:26] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[19:38:50] *** kkux has quit IRC[19:45:35] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[19:48:20] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[19:52:15] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[19:54:51] *** poxip has joined #haiku[19:55:02] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[19:56:07] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[19:57:15] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[19:57:34] *** soakbot has quit IRC[19:57:49] *** soakbot has joined #haiku[19:58:12] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[19:58:20] <PulkoMandy> Premislaus: maybe, when we have GL working[19:58:29] <PulkoMandy> better ask stippi about this[19:58:56] <puckipedia> "The glamor module is an open-source 2D graphics common driver for the X Window System as implemented by X.org."[19:59:34] *** idefix_xifedi has left 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a slowdown after the scheduler stuff[20:07:10] <Premislaus> PulkoMandy: yes, ask pdziepak - debian had different hard drive - https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/10454 - kernel time is a tragedy[20:07:34] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[20:09:13] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[20:09:31] <Premislaus> This is not a matter of scheduling algorithm.[20:12:44] <puckipedia> !patchwanted Premislaus[20:13:03] <Premislaus> fuck off[20:13:05] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[20:13:11] <jua_> o_O[20:13:18] <puckipedia> The thing is, complaining will do nothing[20:13:27] <jua_> Yeah.[20:13:35] <puckipedia> either be silent or fix it yourself[20:13:58] <jua_> Well it's ok to note things which are bad, even if you can't/won't fix it yourself[20:14:03] <jua_> But that reaction there...[20:14:16] *** fhein has joined #haiku[20:22:28] *** jprostko has quit IRC[20:24:08] *** leszek has quit IRC[20:25:16] <AlienSoldier> puckipedia i have a bunch of report on webpositive crashing, those seem to be random crash, should i open a ticket for each or just group them?[20:25:27] <puckipedia> depends[20:25:36] <KapiX> puckipedia: 'either be silent or fix it yourself' I just can't express how stupid that statement is[20:25:37] <puckipedia> if they crash in the same function, group them[20:25:50] <AlienSoldier> that was for PulkoMandy , sorry, wront typing completion[20:25:55] <puckipedia> heh[20:25:57] <AlienSoldier> *wrong[20:26:20] <KapiX> you're basically saying, if you're not a technical user then shut up and wait[20:26:39] <KapiX> that's not how you attract people[20:26:50] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[20:26:54] <puckipedia> imo, it's not an issue you see usually[20:28:50] <KapiX> and throwing patchwanted at everyone who says that something is broken is also weird, many people don't have skills, and as far as I know this is general channel, not development one[20:29:12] <KapiX> but there was a discussion about this 'patchwanted' thing here, and I don't want to start a new one[20:32:53] *** mmu_man has 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address does not displayed[22:13:02] <bbjimmy> I don't think this is implimented in haikudepot yet.[22:14:05] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[22:15:38] <Lelldorin1> but why mailsymbol and link is displayed in haikudepot, then it is not implemented... no clean work[22:17:45] <bbjimmy> at least the website link works.[22:18:50] <bbjimmy> remember haikudepot is a work in progress[22:19:06] <Lelldorin1> i know[22:23:37] *** Martini__ has joined #haiku[22:25:17] <irker-849> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev47181 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=5b172de+%5E554e207[22:25:17] <irker-849> 5b172de: Update some docs for the ARM port.[22:26:05] *** Martini_ has quit IRC[22:26:14] *** Martini__ is now known as Martini_[22:27:09] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[22:29:44] *** tqh2 has joined #haiku[22:32:58] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:33:33] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[22:35:39] *** jprostko has quit IRC[22:46:39] *** bya has quit IRC[22:47:02] *** Barrett has quit IRC[22:47:35] *** 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Dane__ has quit IRC[23:44:06] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[23:44:07] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[23:44:30] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[23:44:41] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[23:45:01] *** mmadia has quit IRC[23:54:31] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[23:54:41] *** HaikuUser is now known as Dane__[23:54:46] <Dane__> bonk[23:56:03] <Anarchos> Dane__ yes[23:56:18] <Anarchos> Dane__ axel did some great tools i already had to use[23:56:38] <Dane__> Sorry, i crashed and missed any messages[23:57:00] <Dane__> Anarchos, what do you recommend...trying to get some stuff off a somewhat *bad* hard drive[23:57:01] <Anarchos> Dane__ checkfs is your tool[23:57:05] <Dane__> k[23:57:10] <Dane__> haiku version I assume[23:57:16] <Anarchos> Dane__ make a safe dump with dd first.[23:57:34] <Dane__> Not sure what that even means :-)[23:57:36] <Anarchos> Dane__ then use the recover tool[23:57:50] <Anarchos> Dane__ dd is a command to make binary dump from drives.[23:58:22] <Dane__> Where would you dump to in this case?