April 27, 2014 
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C720/C720P[05:07:43] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[05:07:59] *** dstritt has quit IRC[05:11:06] *** scanty has quit IRC[05:11:44] *** scanty has joined #haiku[05:11:54] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[05:15:23] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[05:16:40] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[05:19:48] *** C720P has left #haiku[05:19:49] *** freakazoid0223_ has joined #haiku[05:23:27] *** freakazoid0223_ has quit IRC[05:23:57] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[05:41:02] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[05:47:20] <irker-849> haiku.master: jessicah * hrev47175 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=f21045a+%5E39d444a[05:47:21] <irker-849> f21045a: Correct B_USER_BOOT_DIRECTORY path. Fixes #10070.[05:48:36] <jessicah> bbjimmy: there you go :)[05:48:40] <jessicah> one less bug :p[05:51:54] <Premislaus> jessicah: Can you resolve this error please? https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/10784[05:59:33] <jessicah> that looks like maybe hardware/driver issues[05:59:41] <jessicah> bit technical for me[05:59:52] <jessicah> or you mean you want it closed?[06:06:24] <bbjimmy> jessicah just one more PM inconvenience.[06:06:26] *** alvin_ has joined #haiku[06:07:07] <Premislaus> jessicah: no, I do not know how to get around[06:07:17] <jessicah> neither do i, Premislaus[06:08:12] <Premislaus> *workaround[06:33:43] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[06:35:44] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[06:38:31] <Premislaus> jessicah: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/10765#comment:1 How does this relate to AMD CPU?[06:43:28] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[06:43:34] <jessicah> i'm going out on a limb with a train of thought i have[06:43:59] <jessicah> there's been an issue with AMD cpus and what appears to be threads running in the wrong address space or something like that[06:44:09] <Premislaus> ahh ok[06:44:19] <jessicah> wondering if the weird corruption going on in there is possibly related to the FS bug[06:48:42] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[07:13:50] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[07:20:01] *** SonicX has quit IRC[07:21:10] <irker-849> haiku.master: jessicah * hrev47176 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=502882d+%5Ef21045a[07:21:10] <irker-849> 3aece55: Whitespace fixes.[07:21:11] <irker-849> 502882d: configure: correct check for haikuporter from directory to file[07:25:11] <dnivra> jessicah: sorry about the mixup! I didn't realize the haikuporter script was being passed directly.[07:26:32] *** Xenmen has joined #haiku[07:26:51] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[07:29:08] *** kkux has quit IRC[07:31:36] <jessicah> that's okay, it's sorted now :)[07:31:44] <jessicah> nobody complained about it in the interim :p[07:32:33] <dnivra> so builds aren't triggered automatically on commits are they?[07:32:50] <dnivra> An automatic build should've caught that error I suppose.[07:32:58] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[07:42:43] <jessicah> it wouldn't catch it if were not doing automated bootstrap builds[07:44:31] <dnivra> Ah good point.[07:45:39] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[07:45:45] <jessicah> i should've checked out haikuports & haikuporter, and actually tested it a bit more :p[07:45:47] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[07:46:10] <jessicah> but at least there are other eyes out there to spot things like that ;)[07:47:31] <jessicah> i've been playing with linux containers yesterday... they seem like a great way to implement some basic CI[07:48:56] <OmniMancer> CI?[07:49:17] <jessicah> same thing that haiku build bot already does[07:49:26] <jessicah> continuous integration[07:49:32] <jessicah> running builds for every change[07:49:35] <OmniMancer> ah[07:51:22] <dnivra> has anyone tried Travis CI?[07:51:47] <jessicah> i've been looking at Travis CI[07:52:01] <jessicah> i haven't actually tried it though[07:52:33] <OmniMancer> jenkins is the other one that is used a bit[07:54:54] <dnivra> jenkins should be deployed I think. Travis CI is hosted and free for OSS hosted on github.[08:02:27] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[08:17:55] *** heoyea has quit IRC[08:18:09] *** heoyea has joined #haiku[08:24:00] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[08:24:52] *** Blub\1 is now known as Blub\w[08:25:08] *** _3dEyes has quit IRC[08:27:20] *** The_Librarian has joined #haiku[08:28:01] * The_Librarian peeks in[08:28:06] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[08:29:41] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[08:30:10] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[08:31:31] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[08:31:40] * jessicah spots The_Librarian and locks in chains[08:32:16] <DHowett> jessicah: I read that line without seeing your nick and immediately thought of JonathonThompson :P[08:32:54] <The_Librarian> Ook?[08:33:10] <jessicah> DHowett: haha[08:33:11] * The_Librarian jangles chains[08:33:29] * jessicah feels pity on The_Librarian, and removes the chains[08:33:39] * The_Librarian slobberkisses jessicah[08:33:42] <The_Librarian> thanks :D[08:36:40] <The_Librarian> back laters[08:40:24] <jessicah> bah! i knew shouldn't have removed the chains...[08:42:16] *** alpha123 has quit IRC[08:43:43] *** fhein has joined #haiku[08:43:49] *** alpha123 has joined #haiku[09:07:22] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[09:12:09] *** _3dEyes has joined #haiku[09:13:27] *** vooshy has joined #haiku[09:17:47] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[09:24:26] *** Xenmen has quit IRC[09:24:45] *** Xenmen has joined #haiku[09:26:25] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[09:37:39] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[09:48:03] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[09:50:12] *** vooshy has quit IRC[09:53:52] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[10:23:50] *** Yann64 has joined #haiku[10:29:26] *** Xenmen has quit IRC[10:36:05] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[11:06:05] *** Yann64 has quit IRC[11:28:06] *** poxip has joined #haiku[11:30:51] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[11:32:14] *** Goggen has joined #haiku[11:33:10] <Goggen> Hello. Just curious what is the progress of html5 in web+. Does the latest nightly play YouTube in the browser?[11:35:25] <luroh> Goggen: some of them work, last time i checked[11:35:41] <luroh> vimeo worked better though[11:37:25] *** humdinger has quit IRC[11:37:42] <Goggen> You mean not all videos on Youtube work?[11:38:08] <jessicah> not all videos are html5[11:38:16] <jessicah> and some that are sometimes don't work[11:42:50] *** axeld has joined #haiku[11:42:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[11:42:53] <Goggen> I thought all Youtube videos were available in all formats. What determines whether it is html5 or not?[11:43:32] <jessicah> youtube?[11:43:43] <jessicah> well, mebbe they are nowadays...[11:43:45] <jessicah> i don't know[11:43:58] <Goggen> Do the settings work? Volume, resoulution, annotations, fullscreen...[11:47:11] <jessicah> i don't know[11:47:15] <jessicah> haven't used it much myself[11:47:44] *** Nozy has quit IRC[11:48:11] <arfonzo> Ahoy friends[11:48:26] <arfonzo> AFAIK not all the YouTube controls work yet.[11:49:12] <arfonzo> But there's been great progress in the past 2 months, so they might work soon perhaps[11:49:22] *** Goggen has quit IRC[11:49:50] <jessicah> hey arfonzo[11:49:53] <jessicah> what's up?[11:50:16] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[11:51:27] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[11:52:07] <arfonzo> heya jessicah[11:52:19] <arfonzo> just testing some modifications to the haikuwebkit recipe i made to include jsc[11:54:33] <jessicah> nice :)[11:54:50] <arfonzo> and you?[11:55:05] <jessicah> adding syslog over udp support to the bootloader[11:55:22] <jessicah> and implementing simple driver for network in efi[11:55:51] <jessicah> was just looking at random tickets with patches in trac[11:55:59] <jessicah> caught my eye, so yeah :)[11:56:12] <arfonzo> ah, excellent[11:56:16] *** The_Noz has joined #haiku[11:56:25] <jessicah> might make debugging efi bootloader easier too[11:56:29] <arfonzo> how far away is syslog support?[11:56:52] <jessicah> in bootloader? i can prolly have this going in a day[11:57:03] <arfonzo> nice[11:57:32] *** Goggen has joined #haiku[11:58:13] *** Nozy has quit IRC[11:59:24] *** Goggen has quit IRC[12:03:25] <PulkoMandy> hello world![12:03:49] <OmniMancer> hello PulkoMandy[12:05:12] <roptat> hello![12:13:58] <arfonzo> hey PulkoMandy, do you know whether $prefix is the right place to put the jsc binary?[12:14:16] <arfonzo> I'm trying to update the webkit recipe to include the binary as part of the package[12:14:20] <PulkoMandy> $binDir ?[12:14:35] <arfonzo> hm, I tried $relativeBinDir, damnit[12:14:37] <arfonzo> ok[12:14:37] <PulkoMandy> (or $prefix/$relativeBinDir, that's the same)[12:14:40] *** Noz has joined #haiku[12:15:00] <arfonzo> ok I'll try $binDir, thanks[12:15:46] *** i336_ has quit IRC[12:15:47] <arfonzo> from what I thought, I was hoping "make install" would copy the binary for us given your changes to the build for jsc[12:15:51] <arfonzo> but, apparently not[12:16:32] <PulkoMandy> yes, it looks like this doesn't work for some reason[12:16:34] <arfonzo> I tested the binary, and it does seem to be working[12:17:01] <arfonzo> yeah, that's kinda what I experienced. So hopefully this manual cp will be fine. I'll let you know... it'll probably take a while to rebuild a package.[12:17:03] <PulkoMandy> well, I think you need cmake to install it, because it will patch library paths while doing so[12:17:28] <PulkoMandy> if you just use cp you may have problem with the executable looking for the libs in the build directory instead of the installed ones[12:17:41] *** The_Noz has quit IRC[12:17:41] <arfonzo> hm[12:18:01] <arfonzo> well, I copyed the jsc binary when testing, into my home path, and also to ~/config/non-packaged/bin[12:18:17] <arfonzo> and in both instances it seemed to run fine, but, I'm not sure if they were looking in the build dir still[12:25:16] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[12:27:38] *** Noz has quit IRC[12:28:00] <arfonzo> PulkoMandy: have you got any examples/reference to using cmake to install? I don't know how to use cmake, apart from the basics ot building.[12:28:35] <PulkoMandy> Source/JavaScriptCore/shell/CMakeLists.txt does the installation of jsc[12:28:40] <PulkoMandy> (well, should do, at least)[12:28:47] <PulkoMandy> at the end[12:29:11] <PulkoMandy> install(TARGETS jsc DESTINATION "${EXEC_INSTALL_DIR}")[12:29:45] <arfonzo> hm, indeed... so how is that invoked? that's not run as part of 'make install'?[12:34:27] <PulkoMandy> it should[12:34:31] *** zz_NumberNoid is now known as NumberNoid[12:34:37] <OmniMancer> you put it in the file and it tells cmake that it needs to be installed and where[12:34:43] <OmniMancer> then when you make install it should install it[12:34:49] <PulkoMandy> that's what I don't understand, everything is set up for this to work, but it doesn't[12:34:52] *** The_Noz has joined #haiku[12:34:55] <PulkoMandy> all the libs are installed properly[12:36:10] <arfonzo> yeah, indeed, from what I can tell, I shouldn't even need to modify the recipe, your changes should have done it... bleh[12:37:36] *** Nozy has quit IRC[12:39:24] * The_Librarian looks around[12:40:47] <The_Librarian> How far is the documentation on Haiku[12:40:49] <The_Librarian> ?[12:41:04] <arfonzo> depends which documentation you're referring to[12:41:21] <arfonzo> parts of it still require work tho, I think some API docs for example.[12:41:40] <The_Librarian> I'm willing to volunteer some time for documentation[12:43:28] <arfonzo> cool, that's fantastic. Depending on your skillset, there's some stuff that needs to be re-written so that Haiku can own the content, from what I understand. It's re-writing what was published by BeOS in our own form and with our own content.[12:43:34] <jessicah> arfonzo: where are your changes?[12:44:04] <arfonzo> jessicah: it's a local git repo at the moment, if you're referring to the haikuwebkit 1.3.0 recipe mods[12:44:12] <jessicah> yeah[12:44:32] <arfonzo> I can push it up to my haikuports bitbucket fork if you want to see it[12:44:50] <jessicah> you could just copy to gist.github.com or smth[12:44:50] *** Noz has joined #haiku[12:44:53] <jessicah> would be sufficient[12:44:59] <arfonzo> I think I've done two, one for libstdc++ and the cp of jsc[12:45:02] <arfonzo> sure, just a sec.[12:46:39] <The_Librarian> @arfonzo - cool, will give it a go[12:47:21] <arfonzo> jessicah: I can't seem to paste reliably into this gist site. I'll pastebin it.[12:47:29] <jessicah> well whatever works :)[12:47:39] <OmniMancer> sprunge ?[12:47:40] <arfonzo> (in Web+ it seems to... kinda mangle the data when I paste)[12:47:54] <jessicah> i like slexy.org[12:48:15] *** The_Noz has quit IRC[12:48:39] <arfonzo> jessicah: http://pastebin.com/aaEsuXeV[12:50:35] <jessicah> maybe adding build-jsc in the BUILD() section would cause cmake to install it?[12:50:54] *** neuro_sys is now known as occult_detective[12:52:52] <arfonzo> hm[12:53:29] <arfonzo> from what I can tell, the jsc binary is built already, it's just not installed... do you know what build-jsc is doing/where it's defined?[12:54:18] <arfonzo> ah, Tools/Scripts... looking now[12:54:55] <jessicah> i presume it does for jsc what build-webkit does for webkit ;)[12:55:10] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[12:55:34] <arfonzo> gotta go, will be back later... yeah jessicah, it appears so, but as I understand it the 'make install' does the actual install, but i'll try that later... perhaps it lets make install know to install it[12:56:08] <jessicah> yeah that's what i figuring :)[12:57:46] *** DKnoto has joined #haiku[12:58:08] *** Noz has quit IRC[13:00:20] *** jua_ has quit IRC[13:08:35] *** Nozy has quit IRC[13:11:30] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[13:12:42] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[13:13:56] *** kcj has quit IRC[13:15:23] *** Nozy has quit IRC[13:15:51] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[13:18:28] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[13:25:25] *** The_Noz has joined #haiku[13:29:19] *** Nozy has quit IRC[13:34:18] *** Vidiot_X has quit IRC[13:36:24] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[13:38:57] *** The_Noz has quit IRC[13:40:07] *** Yann64 has joined #haiku[13:41:00] *** pdziepak has joined #haiku[13:45:29] *** Nozy has quit IRC[13:45:55] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[13:52:06] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[13:56:03] *** The_Noz has joined #haiku[13:59:05] *** Nozy has quit IRC[14:00:54] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[14:05:27] *** utente has joined #haiku[14:07:02] <utente> i see there is activiries on openong and resolving bugs, but they are new bugs: the old ones, related to ALPHA5 and BETA1 versions, seems to be adbandoned. it is an efective choice or simply lack of manpower?[14:08:42] <auronandace> lack of manpower is certainly an issue[14:08:55] *** The_Noz has quit IRC[14:09:41] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[14:11:11] <auronandace> sifting through older bug reports and verifying if the issues still exist with the latest build can help clear up the cruft[14:12:17] <utente> auronandace, there are some (to me) strange bugs, for example: #9831 "Release notes are hard to read"[14:13:52] <auronandace> different projects will put different priorities on documentation. evidently it was felt important for haiku so that bug is a blocker[14:14:39] <auronandace> i admit the bug title is rather vague for that one in particular[14:16:21] <utente> i had a look to the 17 last for ALPHA5, i confirm #10439 (tested 2 weeks ago) but i see anoter tetest it anc confitrm earlier. the other bus are particular, cos refere to hardware i have nto ot actrivities i can't do (recompile, etc).[14:17:22] <auronandace> it is very good you are looking through these bugs, thanks for taking the time[14:17:32] <utente> it seems these bugs are "technical" and not for the "man of the street" that can check easely things like bad colors, frong font, etc.[14:17:48] <auronandace> if you don't have the hardware then there isn't much you can do about those certain bugs[14:18:11] <utente> i wish to see ALPHA5 out asap, so i surveil the bugs page :-)[14:18:28] <auronandace> the easier ones tend to be taken care of quite quickly[14:18:53] *** Nozy has quit IRC[14:19:04] <utente> yes, and the hadt ones stay a lot.. but in this case only geeks can care them :|[14:20:24] <auronandace> sometimes simply verifying a bug can be a huge help (somebody else can fix it easier then)[14:21:00] <PulkoMandy> people keep assigning random bugs to alpha 5 milestone[14:21:15] <utente> im sorry i can't do more[14:21:16] <PulkoMandy> some are x86_64 specific, and we don't even plan to support that arch for alpha5[14:21:39] <PulkoMandy> ... and the actual things we want in alpha5 are not even in that list :/[14:21:48] <utente> so why take x86_64 bug in alpha5 list?[14:21:53] <PulkoMandy> I don't know :/[14:22:14] <PulkoMandy> the lists for alpha5 and beta1 are complete nonsense to me[14:22:16] <utente> mmm... someone should seat atound a table, discuss and decide.[14:22:42] <PulkoMandy> yes, but I couldn't attend last BeGeistert, I'll definitely try to do that in october[14:23:05] <PulkoMandy> our definition of alphas/betas are based on features missing or not missing[14:23:24] <PulkoMandy> yet the tickets put in the milestones are hardware support or bugs[14:23:32] <PulkoMandy> so these should all be targetting R1[14:24:07] <PulkoMandy> I cleaned up the list for beta1 before we decided to have an alpha5[14:24:15] <PulkoMandy> and all the bugs I had moved out came back there[14:24:45] <utente> i follow haiku since alpha1 (2009), i see huge improvement evvery release came out, but now i have impression some "slowing down" in progress. seems that "bad bugs" posp'oned for too muc time, now came to "judge" you.[14:24:58] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[14:25:29] <auronandace> PulkoMandy: are you the one working on web+?[14:25:46] <PulkoMandy> yes[14:26:06] <auronandace> i got to say i'm loving it[14:26:11] <utente> anyway i will go ont to wait for alpha5, but i suggest you to publish some buletins and explain the situatio on main web page.[14:26:20] <PulkoMandy> utente: we just missed the opportunity to do a release before merging package manager and scheduler[14:26:30] <PulkoMandy> now we have to clean things up again and get into release state[14:26:35] <auronandace> great addition with the bookmark toolbar[14:26:52] <PulkoMandy> this is a flaw in our development process where all devs can mess with the main branch of the sourcecode[14:26:56] <utente> i appreciate haikudepot[14:27:39] <utente> but it seems to lack so muck packages. by itself the tool is nice, but if there are not packages to use with, it is low useful.[14:27:54] <utente> i hope manteiner of haiku software will poort many packages.[14:28:12] <PulkoMandy> we are adding packages, but currently this is a manual process, and can be done only by the devs with commit access[14:28:30] <PulkoMandy> this is one of the things we have to do before we release alpha 5[14:28:51] <PulkoMandy> setting up an automated architecture for building packages and filling the repos[14:29:01] <auronandace> PulkoMandy: keep up the awesome work[14:29:38] <PulkoMandy> auronandace: I don't know if Haiku, Inc. can pay me for another month... if not I'll have to go jobhunting and will have less available time for Haiku :/[14:31:56] *** j-ho has joined #haiku[14:32:13] <jessicah> utente: i'm trying to kill bugs here and there :)[14:32:21] <jessicah> i can look at that middle click one tomorrow[14:32:34] <auronandace> PulkoMandy: must be tough not knowing, but i think you are doing an awesome job[14:32:51] <PulkoMandy> I do my best :)[14:34:01] *** j-ho has left #haiku[14:35:00] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[14:35:25] *** _3dEyes has quit IRC[14:35:49] <utente> jessicah, nice to ear[14:37:51] *** The_Librarian2 has joined #haiku[14:38:58] *** The_Librarian has quit IRC[14:39:38] *** The_Librarian2 has quit IRC[14:39:45] *** The_Librarian2 has joined #haiku[14:40:41] *** The_Librarian2 has quit IRC[14:41:18] *** The_Librarian has joined #haiku[14:46:11] *** The_Librarian has quit IRC[14:52:20] *** hamishm__ has joined #haiku[14:55:04] *** guillaum1 has joined #haiku[14:57:01] *** The_Librarian has joined #haiku[15:07:58] *** The_Librarian has quit IRC[15:14:07] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[15:14:41] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[15:15:02] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[15:29:37] *** alvin__ has joined #haiku[15:30:17] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[15:31:04] *** alvin_ has quit 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entry[17:11:01] *** hamishm__ has quit IRC[17:16:48] <PulkoMandy> Premislaus: yes, I have no other choice[17:17:17] <PulkoMandy> if you can find an user agent that all websites will identify as being Web+ on Haiku, AND not switch to mobile phone mode, I could use it[17:17:27] *** otwieracz has left #haiku[17:17:52] <PulkoMandy> but I found no such thing, so we still advertise "Haiku" and "WebPositive" in the User Agent, but it also says Macintosh and a few other things that make it look very close to Safari[17:18:05] <PulkoMandy> otherwise we're detected as some kind of iPhone/iPad[17:19:54] <puckipedia> Well, I think more as a mobile phone generally[17:20:18] <puckipedia> most iPod/iPhone checkers check for those strings in the user agent[17:20:37] <puckipedia> hmm, what is IE 11s UA[17:21:16] <PulkoMandy> puckipedia: it really looks like many websites are doing "safari and not macintosh"...[17:21:22] <KapiX> puckipedia: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; Trident/7.0; rv:11.0) like Gecko[17:21:24] <KapiX> ;)[17:21:53] <PulkoMandy> (because there are "iPad", "iPhone", "AppleTV", and I think more UAs in Apple Mobile, and only one "Macintosh" for desktop)[17:22:34] <puckipedia> safari for windows?[17:23:26] <PulkoMandy> that still exists?[17:23:59] <KapiX> you still can download it[17:24:12] <KapiX> though it doesn't get any upgrades[17:24:19] <puckipedia> may be fun to experiment with that[17:29:26] *** stargater has quit IRC[17:30:41] <PulkoMandy> well... we can report that we are "Windows", but is that better than reporting "Macintosh"?[17:32:01] <puckipedia> what happens if you report "Haiku"?[17:33:41] <PulkoMandy> mobile[17:33:44] <PulkoMandy> that's what we had[17:34:15] <PulkoMandy> and after trying various combinations, I ended up putting Macintosh in there and that worked[17:34:38] <PulkoMandy> and, for example, html5test.com still detects "WebPositive on Haiku" as it parses the right fields to get the info[17:34:47] <puckipedia> What do Chrome and Firefox do?[17:34:54] <PulkoMandy> (the "Macintosh" thing is supposed to be in a comment and not matter at all)[17:35:05] <puckipedia> I mean, those work on Linux[17:35:19] <PulkoMandy> yes, I guess Google made sure they'd detect those right[17:35:31] <PulkoMandy> but their detection for Safari desktop vs mobile is bad[17:35:47] <PulkoMandy> nothing I can do about that, and it's not just Google because everyone seems to copypaste those around[17:36:03] <PulkoMandy> as the user agent format is so random and unspecified from one browser to another[17:36:17] <PulkoMandy> everyone pretending to be "Mozilla 5 ; like Gecko" or whatever[17:36:24] <puckipedia> Exactly[17:36:40] <puckipedia> IE11 actually removed most if their UA[17:37:23] <PulkoMandy> the part in parentheses is supposed to be a comment and not used for parsing user agents[17:37:29] <PulkoMandy> but everyone uses only that[17:38:27] <PulkoMandy> Opera for example has "Opera 9.80 version 10.x", because when they tried using "Opera 10.x", some lame javascript did if (versionNumber[0] < 4) die("your browser is too old, needs IE4 or Netscape 4")[17:38:28] <puckipedia> Because it is IN the User Agent[17:38:39] <PulkoMandy> and that only compared the '1' in version '10' for Opera...[17:38:48] <puckipedia> Yeah, heard that[17:38:52] <PulkoMandy> it's a mess, and I'm bored of hacking with it[17:39:10] <PulkoMandy> so I'll just leave it as is and wait for people to adjust their detection scheme[17:39:21] <puckipedia> Ah, I know[17:39:27] <PulkoMandy> if we keep changing the UA at each WebKit release this is also not going to happen[17:39:41] <puckipedia> Just return an empty string[17:41:14] *** NumberNoid has quit IRC[17:46:04] *** NumberNoid has joined #haiku[17:52:01] *** tqh has joined #haiku[17:53:42] *** NumberNoid has quit IRC[17:58:34] *** NumberNoid has joined #haiku[18:02:47] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[18:03:56] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[18:04:41] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[18:04:49] <irker-849> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev47177 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=2bd9c8a+%5E502882d[18:04:49] <irker-849> cb2c4f8: Convert more printf to TRACE in media kit.[18:04:50] <irker-849> 2bd9c8a: ShowImage: fix scale-to-fit behavior[18:05:34] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[18:08:31] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[18:09:06] *** NumberNoid has quit IRC[18:13:30] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[18:14:34] *** NumberNoid has joined #haiku[18:22:58] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[18:24:07] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[18:27:34] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[18:34:59] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[18:36:39] <Premislaus> PulkoMandy: +1 (post on mailing list)[18:37:04] <PulkoMandy> yes, everytime this discussion pops up I send something about this[18:37:09] <PulkoMandy> yet nothing gets done :([18:39:08] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[18:39:26] <Premislaus> We must at all costs avoid the type of situation - 1 fix born 10 bugs. Gerrit + unit tests.[18:40:56] <Premislaus> BTW New desktop environment on the horizon - http://blog.pcbsd.org/2014/04/weekly-feature-digest-26-the-lumina-project-and-preload/[18:46:29] <PulkoMandy> Premislaus: yes. Unit tests are a much bigger effort, so let's start with Gerrit[18:57:04] *** utente has quit IRC[18:57:53] *** The_Librarian has quit IRC[19:02:28] *** poxip has joined #haiku[19:09:56] *** utente has joined #haiku[19:14:17] *** oco2 has quit IRC[19:19:36] *** utente has quit IRC[19:20:58] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[19:28:00] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[19:33:31] *** utente has joined #haiku[19:49:16] *** soakbot has quit IRC[19:49:30] *** soakbot has joined #haiku[19:58:35] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[19:58:59] <Lelldorin1> hello[20:01:13] *** wadlspl has joined #haiku[20:01:39] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[20:01:54] *** wadlspl is now known as waddlesplash[20:02:41] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[20:03:03] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[20:03:27] *** utente has quit IRC[20:04:52] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[20:06:36] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[20:07:09] <Premislaus> PulkoMandy: maybe this is good for contract?[20:07:20] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[20:10:15] <Premislaus> PulkoMandy: Can you grant commit access to KapiX on HaikuPorts? https://bitbucket.org/KapiX/profile/activity He ported many libraries.[20:11:29] <waddlesplash> Premislaus: you have to go through the ML for that[20:12:44] <Premislaus> waddlesplash: I have no right to vote, I just wanted to draw attention.[20:13:09] <waddlesplash> well, you did, so now just wait[20:18:54] <PulkoMandy> I'm not haikuports admin...[20:19:01] <PulkoMandy> ask scottmc or augiedoggie[20:19:36] *** orealis has quit IRC[20:21:59] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[20:23:49] <IIsi50MHz> But you /are/ PM, which makes you Prime Minister. That should be close enough.[20:24:25] <IIsi50MHz> Allo PulkoMandy, waddlesplash, Premislaus[20:27:41] <waddlesplash> ROFL[20:28:53] <Premislaus> I sent e-mail to admins on BB.[20:29:22] *** Guest91646 has joined #haiku[20:29:22] <Guest91646> [haikuports] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/commits/[20:29:25] <Guest91646> [haikuports] kallisti5 538d68e - libsolv: Fix "unsafe source" warning while bootstrap prepping * Use https repo vs git+git[20:31:13] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[20:31:43] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[20:34:48] *** PovAddict has joined #haiku[20:36:04] <PovAddict> waddlesplash: where's the nightly download?[20:36:12] *** rdieter has joined #haiku[20:36:25] <waddlesplash> PovAddict: http://haiku-files.org/haiku/development/[20:36:43] <e1z0> how is the development going ?[20:37:36] <Premislaus> PovAddict: On main page - "WHAT'S NEW IN HAIKU DEVELOPMENT": http://www.haiku-files.org/haiku/development/ and http://www.haiku-files.org/ (gcc4h and 64-bit)[20:38:01] *** rdieter has left #haiku[20:38:08] <PovAddict> I missed the nightly images tab there ^^[20:38:47] <waddlesplash> e1z0: well...[20:38:54] <waddlesplash> what's your definition of "good"?[20:39:05] <waddlesplash> because, tons of commits + new features + better web browser[20:39:17] <waddlesplash> on the other hand, 1000s of unfixed bugs due to shortage of developers[20:39:32] <PovAddict> haiku might very well have a better webkit than KDE ...[20:39:43] <waddlesplash> PovAddict: well, our webkit is from last month[20:39:53] <PovAddict> qtwebkit is older :)[20:40:03] <waddlesplash> but your webkit is probably faster as our rendering engine is sloooow[20:40:18] <waddlesplash> speaking of which, PulkoMandy: what's your plan for speeding up webkit?[20:40:40] <PovAddict> and there's also KHTML, which some people don't want to let die[20:40:41] <waddlesplash> is this another app_server change or is there something we can do inside of WebKit code?[20:41:07] <PovAddict> (I was in that camp too, but I'm at the acceptance phase of the grief process by now)[20:41:26] <waddlesplash> well, since it only scores like 92 points on the HTML5 test[20:41:30] <IIsi50MHz> heh, Pov[20:41:32] <waddlesplash> I think it's time to give up, yeah[20:42:37] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: probably both[20:42:53] <PulkoMandy> we need new features in app_server, and code to make use of them[20:43:01] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: and is it an app_server problem or an AGG one?[20:43:10] <PulkoMandy> app_server, likely[20:43:24] <PulkoMandy> and BeAPI limitations[20:43:29] <waddlesplash> good, because rewriting appserver to use skia will not be a pretty picture[20:43:46] <waddlesplash> oh, is this the appserver link performance bug again?[20:44:03] <PulkoMandy> not only[20:44:12] <Premislaus> waddlesplash: BTW on Ubuntu 14.04 with Mesa3D and HTML5 player for YouTube, I have 100% cpu usage for 720p. My cpu - http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-A6-Series%20A6-4400M.html . Without Flash and the proprietary driver, not much can be done. The worst is that Web+ on Google services still stutters.[20:44:42] <PovAddict> what office suite is there for haiku?[20:44:51] <PulkoMandy> I think one problem is the way WebKit handles transparent layers, they draw those offscreen and do software compositiing[20:44:52] <waddlesplash> Premislaus: yell at kallisti5 to work on HWA support then[20:45:07] <waddlesplash> PovAddict: KOffice worked forever ago, but other than that, nothing[20:45:14] <PovAddict> no libreoffice port?[20:45:14] <waddlesplash> hence, the need for a Qt port :P[20:45:17] <waddlesplash> nope[20:45:18] <PulkoMandy> but we don't handle compositing with proper alpha blending the way webkit needs it (basically, it needs a mix of the 2 modes we support)[20:45:23] <PovAddict> hmph[20:45:26] <waddlesplash> Like I said: severe lack of developers[20:45:43] <Premislaus> waddlesplash: But I have HWA on Ubuntu - provided by Mesa32.[20:45:47] <waddlesplash> PovAddict: well, I think PulkoMandy said that Google Docs is working well[20:45:48] <PovAddict> if libreoffice worked, I could *probably* replace my sister's WinXP with Haiku :P[20:45:48] <Premislaus> *3D[20:45:49] <PulkoMandy> so we implement this with a slow algorithm that apparently isn't even properly working[20:46:13] <waddlesplash> Premislaus: yes, but do you have hardware video decoding?[20:46:15] <PovAddict> waddlesplash: I don't want chromeos :P[20:46:21] <PovAddict> (everything in a web app9[20:46:22] <PovAddict> )[20:46:31] <PulkoMandy> but even with that fixed, software compositing with alpha management will probably stay relatively slow...[20:47:21] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: well, there's the case for rewriting apserver to use Skia so we get OpenGL compositing without touching OpenGL code :P[20:47:37] <waddlesplash> but we have to yell at kallisti5 more (or better yet, pay him) to work on hardware accelleration[20:48:16] <KapiX> waddlesplash, IIRC kallisti5 is doing it as a bounty[20:48:25] <waddlesplash> KapiX: that was FOREVER ago[20:48:31] <waddlesplash> and no, I don't think he is anymore[20:48:33] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: are you?[20:48:50] <PovAddict> is umccullough still around?[20:49:02] <waddlesplash> PovAddict: yes he is, why?[20:49:13] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: I would use OpenGL directly from WebKit if we had HW accell[20:49:19] <PulkoMandy> that would be less code to write for me[20:49:27] <PulkoMandy> and would get us WebGL in the process[20:49:27] <waddlesplash> yes, it probably would be[20:49:49] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: would you consider letting kallisti5 have some contract money for a few months if we got hwa out of it?[20:51:18] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[20:51:24] <waddlesplash> PovAddict: anyway, if you want to help me port Qt, I'd love the help[20:52:19] <waddlesplash> I'll probably wait until 5.3 stable is released before starting tho[20:52:40] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: if I get back to a regular job, French system makes it as annoying as possible for me to leave it again[20:52:53] <waddlesplash> oh. that sucks.[20:53:06] <PulkoMandy> and people would look at me strangely at future job interviews if they see I'm leaving jobs every 3 months[20:53:20] *** humdinger has quit IRC[20:53:26] <waddlesplash> then again, I don't think kallisti5 could live on the US equivalent of 2,500 euros/month anyway[20:53:27] <PulkoMandy> I know. should move to another country :>[20:53:47] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: the real problem is which one to move to[20:53:59] <waddlesplash> I would say America, but we're just going downhill over here[20:54:06] <waddlesplash> I hear Canada is nice, and they speak some French there[20:54:12] <waddlesplash> (in parts, anyway)[20:54:14] <PovAddict> the haiku boot speed still impresses me[20:54:18] <PulkoMandy> well, if haiku keeps paying me, I could go to spain, or slovakia, or whatever countrywhere I can live with an even lower hourly rate[20:54:25] <PulkoMandy> (and not paying 25% taxes would be nice, too)[20:54:41] <PulkoMandy> but I doubt my girlfriend would agree[20:54:45] <waddlesplash> PovAddict: it was even faster before PackageFS[20:55:02] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: yeah, I guessed that :)[20:55:22] <waddlesplash> PovAddict: I think boot speed was 5s faster before the package management merge[20:55:31] <waddlesplash> because now, it has to mount all the packages at startup[20:55:49] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: is that an actual measurement?[20:56:00] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: no, it's a wild guess[20:56:05] <PulkoMandy> 5s sounds like longer than it takes my computer to boot...[20:56:11] <waddlesplash> but it can't be much longer than than[20:56:26] <waddlesplash> well, my vbox installation takes 6s to boot here, but it took 4 before PM[20:56:28] <PulkoMandy> it can actually be faster with PM because the packages are compressed and less fragmented so there is less disk access[20:56:45] <waddlesplash> well that's certaintly true, so I suppose it depends on usecase[20:56:55] <PulkoMandy> yes, on vbox it probably is slower (your disk is already cached to RAM by vbox)[20:56:56] <waddlesplash> that, and someone really should look at the IO scheduler[20:57:00] <PulkoMandy> on real hardware I think not that much[20:57:16] <waddlesplash> BTW, who wrote the IO scheduler we currently have anyway?[20:57:29] <PulkoMandy> mostly Ingo and Axel, I think[20:57:33] <waddlesplash> because it's great... until you want to copy entire drives or delete stuff[20:57:37] <waddlesplash> that's what I guessed[20:57:56] <PulkoMandy> well, that's not only io_scheduler faults, and used to work well[20:58:02] <waddlesplash> "rm -rf qt4" takes forever, and eats nearly all of one core while doing so[20:58:08] <waddlesplash> obviously that's a bug[20:58:10] <PulkoMandy> that's node monitoring[20:58:16] <PulkoMandy> try it on a non-indexed volume[20:58:29] <waddlesplash> There has to be a better way that doesn't eat all of one core[20:58:43] <waddlesplash> Couldn't we just dispatch all the messages once every 3s or so?[20:58:53] <PulkoMandy> it has to check if things you delete are node monitored, and if so, notify the listeners[20:58:58] <PulkoMandy> for each and every file[20:59:12] <waddlesplash> like I said[20:59:15] <waddlesplash> there has to be a better way[20:59:16] <PovAddict> ugh[20:59:21] <PovAddict> I need vbox guest additions :p[20:59:30] <PovAddict> the lack of mouse integration is annoying[20:59:30] <waddlesplash> PovAddict: for what? shared folders?[20:59:34] <waddlesplash> PovAddict: oh, that[20:59:36] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: you have to browse the whole FS hierarchy for this, which is what takes most of the time[20:59:50] <waddlesplash> PovAddict: just "enable absolue pointing device"[20:59:50] <PulkoMandy> but, yes, things can certainly be improved anyway[21:00:23] <waddlesplash> PovAddict: that's in VBox VM settings BTW[21:00:29] <Premislaus> PulkoMandy: move to Poland :)[21:00:50] <hamishm> don't other systems offer node monitoring equivalents, without this slow down?[21:00:54] <waddlesplash> PovAddict: oh wait, now it's called "USB Tablet" device[21:01:00] <waddlesplash> well, same thing anyway[21:01:38] <PovAddict> that works :D[21:02:16] <waddlesplash> :)[21:03:41] <kallisti5> waddlesplash: not really[21:03:45] <PovAddict> hm I think I found a bug[21:03:51] <kallisti5> the chances of me finding enough free time are minimal now[21:03:57] <kallisti5> esp with a baby on the way[21:04:13] <waddlesplash> well, I knew you had <0 free time[21:04:13] <kallisti5> The bounty is open to anyone who wants it.. and i'll help them however I can[21:04:23] <PovAddict> I opened the installer, clicked "Set up partitions", initialized the disk with a partition table, created a BeFS partition, closed the partition manager[21:04:27] <waddlesplash> OK, I'll keep that in mind[21:04:32] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: and congrats![21:04:32] <PovAddict> and the installer still shows nothing in the "install onto" list[21:04:39] <kallisti5> waddlesplash: thanks :-)[21:04:43] <kallisti5> 8 more weeks to go[21:05:01] <PovAddict> damn breeders^W^W congratulations! ;)[21:05:08] <IIsi50MHz> Install destinations should refresh automagically.[21:05:31] <IIsi50MHz> I know the install /source/ requires closing Installer and re-opening.[21:05:39] <waddlesplash> PovAddict: did you write changes to disk?[21:05:52] <PovAddict> hm[21:06:06] <PovAddict> I formatted the partition (isn't that done automatically when creating the partition as BeFS?) and it worked[21:06:26] <waddlesplash> so if you reopen the dialog, it shows one "be file system"?[21:06:26] <PulkoMandy> PovAddict: you may change your mind in 10 years when the baby gets commit access? :p[21:06:31] <kallisti5> As long as I make a commit to Mesa every ~3 months or so to keep Haiku compiling hopefully it won't be ripped out :-)[21:06:45] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: wow, 10 years? optimistic[21:06:56] <waddlesplash> I didn't event WANT to touch a computer for programming until then[21:06:57] <PulkoMandy> our GCI students keep getting younger[21:07:07] <waddlesplash> I thought the youngest was 12-13 or so[21:07:22] <PovAddict> I started contributing to open source around 14 :)[21:08:14] <waddlesplash> well, same here[21:08:17] <PulkoMandy> I think I got my first computer when I was 7. Was just learning to read, and used that skill to copy BASIC listings from a book - the computer disk drive was broken, couldn't save anything[21:08:44] <waddlesplash> the difference is that I'm only 15+1/2 now[21:09:00] <PulkoMandy> contributions to open source were much later, in 2008 when I tried GSoC for Haiku for the first time, probably[21:09:15] <IIsi50MHz> 15.5? Naw, you're 31. (-;[21:09:39] <waddlesplash> IIsi50MHz: I wasn't kidding[21:09:46] <IIsi50MHz> But I am.[21:09:48] <PovAddict> waah[21:09:49] <PovAddict> I have no network[21:10:19] <waddlesplash> PovAddict: try changing card to the Intel PRO/MT[21:10:58] <waddlesplash> yep, I have it set to "Intel PRO/1000 MT Desktop"[21:11:23] <PovAddict> that's much better \o/[21:11:33] <PovAddict> (I can't believe how fast I could shutdown, change settings and boot)[21:11:49] *** stargater has joined #haiku[21:11:57] <waddlesplash> I wonder who broke PCnet support? It worked a few months ago...[21:12:03] * waddlesplash checks the commit logs[21:13:22] <waddlesplash> oh wait, PCnet III works[21:13:27] <waddlesplash> it's just PCnet II that is broken[21:14:06] * PovAddict git-clones qtbase[21:14:21] <waddlesplash> PovAddict: I can set up a GitHub clone if you want[21:14:24] <waddlesplash> lemme do that now actually[21:14:37] <waddlesplash> also, what's your GitHub user? I'll add you to the org[21:14:59] <PovAddict> nicolas17[21:15:35] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[21:16:36] <waddlesplash> PovAddict: done, plz hit "make public" at https://github.com/orgs/qt-haiku/members[21:16:56] <waddlesplash> PovAddict: so, really quick intro to Haiku programming:[21:18:21] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[21:18:41] <waddlesplash> PovAddict: the Qt4 (horribly messy) codebase is at https://github.com/qt-haiku/qt4 if you want it (the configure script's changes are a good place to start)[21:18:42] <waddlesplash> API docs (what we have, anyway) for Haiku are at http://api.haiku-os.org/[21:18:42] <waddlesplash> Haiku's repo is at http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/[21:18:42] <waddlesplash> Tons of code for Haiku can be found at https://github.com/HaikuArchives -- warning that a lot of that is junk code, look around inside Haiku itself to see if you can find anything there first[21:20:16] <PulkoMandy> the be book is still valuable API doc as well[21:20:29] <waddlesplash> PovAddict: I am too busy to commit anything for probably a few weeks, but I'll watch whatever you're doing[21:20:50] <PovAddict> configure/qmake is black magic so we'll probably need lots of help[21:21:03] <waddlesplash> very true[21:21:19] <waddlesplash> PovAddict: also, packages can be installed via "pkgman" CLI app or "HaikuDepot" GUI app[21:21:54] <waddlesplash> the existing recipe used to build Qt4 is at https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/src/master/dev-qt/qtcore/qtcore-4.8.5.git.recipe?at=master[21:22:06] <KapiX> hmmm, I have built haiku from source but it won't let me boot[21:22:14] <KapiX> both iso and vmdk image[21:22:20] <KapiX> continue booting is just disabled[21:23:04] *** i336_ has joined #haiku[21:24:17] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[21:24:28] <waddlesplash> PovAddict: also, you wanna follow Qt's branch model? or be crazy and not follow it?[21:24:32] <KapiX> it fails to open packages directory[21:29:49] *** DaaT has quit IRC[21:31:36] <waddlesplash> PovAddict: ok, so you're all set?[21:33:22] <waddlesplash> oh, almsot forgot: to get a GCC4 in a terminal, type "setarch x86"[21:33:34] <waddlesplash> it will launch another Bash with the correct path and all that[21:38:04] *** wadlspl has joined #haiku[21:38:41] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[21:40:22] *** wadlspl is now known as waddlesplash[21:41:06] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[21:42:25] *** stargater has quit IRC[21:42:29] *** marc_smith has joined #haiku[21:43:51] *** marc_smith has quit IRC[21:43:56] <KapiX> so, anyone has any idea about that booting problem? Haiku built without errors, nightly from the site works[21:44:06] <KapiX> though these are built using Linux, am I right?[21:49:42] *** DKnoto has joined #haiku[21:55:01] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[21:56:17] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[22:01:26] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[22:01:35] <PulkoMandy> KapiX: FreeBSD, actually[22:02:04] <PulkoMandy> I had a similar issue with building from Haiku, disabling NX bit support in my BIOS "fixed" it for me[22:02:10] <PulkoMandy> and so did disabling SMP, I think[22:02:17] <PulkoMandy> not sure this was really solved[22:02:21] <KapiX> SMP when booting haiku?[22:02:33] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[22:08:35] *** orealis has joined #haiku[22:08:37] *** The_Librarian has joined #haiku[22:09:25] <PulkoMandy> yes[22:10:06] <Anarchos> hi everybody[22:12:11] *** stargater has joined #haiku[22:14:24] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[22:16:07] <The_Librarian> hi all[22:16:46] <jessicah> PovAddict: oooh, you're gonna work on haiku stuff? :D[22:17:28] * jessicah will be back again later[22:26:34] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:27:45] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[22:27:51] *** ignacio|here is now known as ignacio[22:28:04] *** ignacio is now known as ignacio|here[22:38:17] *** poxip has quit IRC[22:38:41] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[22:41:20] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[22:43:22] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[22:47:21] *** fhein has quit IRC[23:02:10] *** alpha123 has quit IRC[23:03:13] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[23:07:32] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[23:09:15] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:11:37] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[23:13:56] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[23:15:23] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[23:15:28] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[23:16:56] *** cnuke has quit IRC[23:19:26] *** nighty-_ has quit IRC[23:23:02] *** nighty-_ has joined #haiku[23:27:42] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[23:28:42] *** mmadia has quit IRC[23:28:54] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[23:29:03] *** bbjimmy1 has joined #haiku[23:30:54] *** stargater has quit IRC[23:31:50] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[23:31:50] *** mmadia has quit IRC[23:31:50] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[23:34:19] *** kcj has joined #haiku[23:34:53] *** NumberNoid is now known as zz_NumberNoid[23:35:13] *** nighty-_ has quit IRC[23:54:17] *** kcj has quit IRC[23:58:35] *** bbjimmy1 has quit IRC[23:58:36] <jessicah> pon[23:58:47] * DaaT pokes jessicah