[00:00:41] <Premislaus> We seriously need open hardware and software platform.
[00:00:58] <Premislaus> Loongson, open risc, etc.
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[00:01:18] <Premislaus> Leon sparc
[00:01:24] <jessicah> hmmmm...
[00:01:32] * jessicah goes downloads a 32-bit ubuntu iso
[00:03:36] <IIsi50MHz> *sigh* Why is Google these days all about _not_ searching? Or at least, not being able to refine searches.
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[00:04:07] <IIsi50MHz> For instances, any search in the Chrome Webstore or Google Play Store.
[00:04:32] * IIsi50MHz mutter-grumbles, waves his cane ineffectually
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[00:58:10] <Skipp_OSX> jessicah, teeny netbooks were dumb
[00:58:23] <jessicah> :)
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[02:12:26] <Premislaus> I got an idea how to increase the popularity of Haiku. New page with memes of ill-natured computers and software - "Because GCC2".
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[02:13:26] <waddlesplash> Premislaus: what do you have against GCC2? We have WebKit, modern FFmpeg, modern MUSCLE, Qt, and tons of other stuff running on Haiku....
[02:13:37] <waddlesplash> GCC2 can stay as long as we have GCC4!
[02:15:10] <Premislaus> " No way to fix on GCC2. That's why SSE is disabled on GCC2. "
[02:15:26] <waddlesplash> Premislaus: use GCC4h if you care so much!
[02:15:45] <waddlesplash> also, stack misalign?
[02:15:52] <Premislaus> is not official
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[02:16:21] <waddlesplash> Premislaus: I think PulkoMandy fixed the stack misalign stuff as part of WebKit port, it was a kernel-side fix not a compiler-side one
[02:16:34] <waddlesplash> Premislaus: and please, please, quit hijacking discussions!
[02:16:36] <Theoden> Premislaus: Getting wifi to work reliably would do a lot to increase popularity.
[02:16:56] <waddlesplash> yes, it would!
[02:17:35] <Premislaus> waddlesplash: Adrien told me, the new ffmpeg does not compile
[02:17:39] <waddlesplash> Theoden: btw, are you new here? I don't remember you...
[02:17:45] <waddlesplash> Premislaus: FFmpeg 2.2 will on GCC4
[02:18:26] <Theoden> In our wireless world, poor wifi support - i.e. Haiku - is the #1 problem with Haiku os.
[02:18:48] <Theoden> waddlesplash: Kinda - I've been here several times before. :)
[02:19:00] <Premislaus> And what version will download a new user? Official Alpha5 or nightly gcc4?
[02:19:24] <waddlesplash> download a new user?
[02:19:29] <waddlesplash> you mean multiuser support?
[02:19:58] <KapiX> waddlesplash, a new user will download
[02:20:13] <waddlesplash> ah, makes more sense
[02:20:16] <KapiX> also s/what/which/
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[02:20:19] <waddlesplash> Premislaus: you know, we could just change the media apps so that they are all GCC4, so only BeOS apps are stuck with old FFmpeg
[02:20:21] <Premislaus> by new user
[02:21:35] <irker-849> 667cfcd: TabView BTab::Select only add child if it doesn't have a parent
[02:22:07] <Premislaus> It does not make sense. What kind of applications? Do not have a newer version? Source code? Good code will compile on gcc4?
[02:22:56] <Theoden> waddlesplash: Yeah, I'm afraid wifi is the main thing keeping me from using Haiku very much. I would like to test it a lot more, but a cabled laptop is a dead end. ;)
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[02:45:28] <waddlesplash> Theoden: hmm, we do have wifi support
[02:45:38] <waddlesplash> but the thing is, you have to connect to ethernet to download the drivers
[02:45:48] <waddlesplash> Theoden: what version are you on?
[02:47:14] <Theoden> waddlesplash: On linux now - would have to check later. Yeah - I've installed all the drivers - and firmware - and tried all the fixes I could find on the Haiku site and google in general. It just doesn't work.
[02:52:03] <Theoden> Anyway, gotta run. Hope to talk toyou again waddlesplash. L8r.
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[03:10:47] * IIsi50MHz glues row-sorting onto kallisti5's package list using jquery.tablesorter.js
[03:12:22] <waddlesplash> IIsi50MHz: ooh, where is this package list
[03:12:24] <waddlesplash> ?
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[03:13:20] <IIsi50MHz> I mean, I used TamperMonkey.
[03:14:23] <waddlesplash> ah, ok
[03:14:35] <waddlesplash> that *does* look neat, and I was going to do something like that for some time
[03:14:48] <waddlesplash> but I never got a VPS so I never set one up
[03:14:51] <waddlesplash> so kallisti5 beat me to it...
[03:14:53] <waddlesplash> :/
[03:15:09] * waddlesplash wants to be the first to create a build-on-demand service
[03:15:59] * IIsi50MHz suddenly rushes off to check progress on Mini vMac
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[03:18:30] <IIsi50MHz> Hmm, MiniUnZp. Extracts an archive created by OS X, preserving stuff like filetype, creator, and resource fork.
[03:18:55] <IIsi50MHz> Can't think of any immediate use for this in Haiku.
[03:19:14] <IIsi50MHz> Although, I daydream of porting Mini vMac to Haiku sometimes.
[03:20:22] <KapiX> is there any way I can follow the process of mounting the package when I put it in packages directory?
[03:20:54] <KapiX> often it doesn't get mounted or I have to wait very long and I have no idea what is happening at the moment
[03:21:06] <KapiX> it's frustrating, because sometimes it just doesn't mount
[03:22:38] <waddlesplash> KapiX: you have to "move" the package there and not "copy" it
[03:22:46] <waddlesplash> why, I don't know, but if you copy it it won't activate
[03:22:54] <waddlesplash> or not activate until you reboot iirc
[03:23:14] <waddlesplash> gaaaaaaaaaah
[03:23:23] * waddlesplash hates memory leaks that escalate to crashes
[03:24:18] * IIsi50MHz was looking at another monitor, thought waddlesplash said "...hates memory leaks the escalate to deaths"
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[03:24:43] <waddlesplash> well, the application died
[03:24:45] <waddlesplash> does that count?
[03:24:46] <waddlesplash> :)
[03:26:01] <KapiX> no, it activates
[03:26:03] <KapiX> SOMETIMES
[03:26:19] <KapiX> and sometimes it just doesn't
[03:28:36] <waddlesplash> KapiX: well, then REPORT BUG :)
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[03:30:54] <KapiX> well, I like my bug reports to be rather complete
[03:31:21] <KapiX> here, I don't know what to write besides 'let me see the progress'
[03:32:54] <KapiX> oh, actually missed the part about moving the package
[03:33:09] <KapiX> indeed, when I move it to desktop and then back it mounts
[03:33:15] <KapiX> so counterintuitive
[03:33:17] <KapiX> thanks
[03:33:40] <KapiX> :)
[03:34:07] <waddlesplash> KapiX: now you have a bug report to file, I think :)
[03:34:14] <waddlesplash> actually, the wiki warns about that
[03:34:18] <waddlesplash> is this a bug or a feature!?
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[03:54:42] <irker-849> e10e704: Debugger: Fix crash in context menu builder.
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[04:15:30] <jessicah> oops
[04:15:36] <jessicah> wasn't meant to paste that
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[05:30:39] <jessicah> that ticket's been closed :)
[05:31:48] <Premislaus> I know, this is example
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[05:32:43] <jessicah> trac is a lot of effort to filter through, to be honest
[05:36:43] <puckipedia> There has been talk about moving to a ticket review system, like gerrit
[05:37:03] <puckipedia> But either olta or nielx has to set that up
[05:37:05] <puckipedia> Iirc
[05:38:01] <puckipedia> nielx hasn't been seen for a while
[05:38:26] <puckipedia> He set up and maintains the translation system
[05:38:31] <Premislaus> I know
[05:41:18] <jessicah> we definitely do need to improve some of the workflows
[05:41:44] <jessicah> and/or get documentation/processes so that stuff can be offloaded to other maintainers where possible
[05:41:55] <puckipedia> Hmm
[05:42:15] <puckipedia> Basing documentation (user guide) on a wiki would be cool
[05:44:27] <jessicah> another alternative could be having a branch on github that people can actually send pull requests to
[05:44:28] <Premislaus> For me the most important is the first point. No more 1 fix = 2 new bugs.
[05:44:37] <puckipedia> gerrit too
[05:44:40] <jessicah> and then a maintainer can pull into master and merge
[05:45:02] <jessicah> at the very least, that'd be simpler than implementing gerrit
[05:45:10] <puckipedia> Having at least one maintainer check the code and approve or before it gets into matter
[05:45:18] <puckipedia> Master*
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[05:54:31] <jessicah> yeah, dunno. i really like the workflows in github
[05:55:28] <puckipedia> Gerrit feels like it is nice
[05:55:47] <puckipedia> You can just push to a server, and it turns into a kind of pr
[05:56:14] <puckipedia> It is also much better integrable
[05:56:24] <puckipedia> Intergratable*
[05:56:48] <jessicah> easier to integrate* ;)
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[06:17:40] <irker-849> 689da15: Update translations from Pootle
[06:17:41] <irker-849> 9e5bc49: Update translations from Pootle
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[08:11:03] <stargater> moin
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[08:25:25] <jessicah> morning
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[08:46:31] <arfonzo> morning friends
[08:56:54] <stargater> moin jessicah
[08:57:04] <stargater> an arfonzo
[08:57:36] <arfonzo> ahoy stargater
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[08:58:46] <jessicah> ahoyhoy
[08:58:54] <jessicah> how are we all?
[08:59:34] <arfonzo> grumble!
[08:59:41] * arfonzo working this saturday... the horror.
[08:59:45] <jessicah> :(
[09:01:09] <jessicah> that's how i feel about haskell atm
[09:01:16] <jessicah> ghc is impossible to cross-compile!
[09:01:54] <arfonzo> ah man, yeah, I have been somewhat following this haskell saga
[09:02:46] <jessicah> it's supposed to build a stage2 compiler; it looks like it does
[09:02:52] <jessicah> but i can't find it anywhere
[09:03:04] <jessicah> and there's like no documentation on how one would even begin to package it
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[11:09:54] <irker-849> 53dd259: added tar.h posix header.
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[11:57:23] <irker-849> 9225185: AddHeaderDirectoryToContainer: filters backup files.
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[12:20:48] <roptat> hello, I am unable to compile the kernel because of
[12:21:14] <roptat> /boot/home/haiku/src/kits/package/FetchFileJob.cpp:15: curl/curl.h: No such file or directory
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[12:35:33] <Not-001> [haikuports] korli 07460cf - libtar: added recipe for version 1.2.20
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[13:21:29] <HaikuUser> hi there
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[13:22:09] <smook> no depot are aviable except the ones that come with nightly build ?
[13:22:32] <jessicah> for now
[13:23:13] <smook> ok
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[15:23:03] <Premislaus> hello
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[15:38:06] <irker-849> fb53533: package daemon: CommitTransactionHandler: Use NotOwningEntryRef
[15:38:06] <irker-849> 7a35d80: package daemon: Move pending job accounting back to Volume
[15:38:07] <irker-849> 7a3253f: package daemon: Pass volume state CommitTransactionHandler
[15:38:07] <irker-849> c8dd5bb: package daemon: Retrieve all package directories from packagefs
[15:38:08] <irker-849> ba4c67b: packagefs: Fix ioctl PACKAGE_FS_OPERATION_GET_VOLUME_INFO
[15:38:08] <irker-849> 333d4ef: packagefs: Extend PACKAGE_FS_OPERATION_GET_PACKAGE_INFOS ioctl
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[16:24:44] <DonLiu> I found that the system email of Pootle was so slow. I can't recieve it half an hour after application. Did anyone have met the same situation?
[16:25:00] <DonLiu> I use gmail.
[16:29:45] <Paradoxon> how do i restart the input_server
[16:32:55] <DonLiu> if you want to change the system font, I think you need to reboot.
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[16:35:36] <jessicah> hey input_server QUIT?
[16:35:37] <jessicah> oh wait
[16:35:37] <jessicah> hey input_server QUIT; input_server &
[16:35:37] <jessicah> mebbe?
[16:35:37] <jessicah> input_server is for mouse/keyboard
[16:36:02] <Paradoxon> jessicah i tried the offical bebook version wth input_server -q
[16:36:19] <Paradoxon> wich should quit and restart but no reaktion
[16:36:22] <DonLiu> oh, I am wrong.
[16:36:26] <Paradoxon> and all the addons dont work
[16:36:33] <Paradoxon> clipup and shortcut
[16:36:34] <Paradoxon> :(
[16:37:01] <jessicah> did they used to work?
[16:37:25] <Paradoxon> someon told me my haiku was wrong because they didnt worked but i finally made an new install
[16:37:29] <Paradoxon> and they dont work
[16:37:31] <Paradoxon> :(
[16:37:32] <Paradoxon> so no
[16:37:39] <Paradoxon> not wiht the old not with the new one
[16:37:54] <jessicah> hmm, i don't know
[16:37:57] <Paradoxon> but to debug the input server is a littly triky ;-)
[16:38:09] <jessicah> they are installed right?
[16:41:20] <jessicah> haikuports musn't like me
[16:41:26] <jessicah> i'm getting like 15-30KB/s
[16:44:17] <[JJ]Albert> So how long has ARM support been a focus of Haiku development might I ask?
[16:45:39] <Not-001> [haikuporter] zooey 52433fa - Explicitly protect against use with python-3.
[16:52:38] <Paradoxon> jessicah yes its installed
[16:52:51] <Paradoxon> also i compiled it myself
[16:53:05] <Paradoxon> i saw the thread for clipup running
[16:53:10] <Paradoxon> ....
[16:53:13] <Paradoxon> but no reaktion
[16:54:25] <jessicah> huh, did you package it?
[16:54:32] <jessicah> maybe it can't see non-packaged addons
[16:55:33] <Paradoxon> it can
[16:55:38] <Paradoxon> it created a thread for it
[16:55:43] <Paradoxon> i tried both
[16:55:46] <Paradoxon> packaged
[16:55:52] <Paradoxon> and nonpackaged
[16:56:25] <Paradoxon> ...jessicah you can try on your own with haikuporter clipup
[16:56:38] <Paradoxon> or just try to setup a shortcut
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[17:03:09] <[JJ]Albert> So how long has ARM support been a focus of Haiku development?
[17:06:18] <Paradoxon> [JJ]Albert shouldnt this in the source?
[17:06:36] <Paradoxon> like that you can see when the first commit was?
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[17:09:08] <[JJ]Albert> Paradoxon: Not exactly what I was asking. I just meant, when was it this was first publicly made a goal.
[17:09:18] <[JJ]Albert> *was this
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[17:20:03] <roptat> /boot/home/haiku/src/kits/locale/Collator.cpp:19:26: fatal error: unicode/coll.h: No such file or directory
[17:20:41] <roptat> and the directory /boot/home/haiku/generated/build_package/icu_x86.../develop does not exist
[17:20:41] <jessicah> are you missing an include?
[17:20:59] <roptat> I am building the kernel with jam
[17:20:59] <jessicah> have you installed the devel package?
[17:21:11] <jessicah> hmm
[17:21:14] <roptat> it has been downloaded
[17:21:26] <roptat> but not mounted there
[17:22:13] <jessicah> try remove the package folder, and retry the build
[17:22:20] <jessicah> did you build with -jN?
[17:22:52] <roptat> no
[17:23:06] <roptat> I build with jam -q @release-raw
[17:23:57] <jessicah> oh, weird
[17:24:10] <jessicah> i had a similar problem where a folder was empty when it should've been populated
[17:24:21] <jessicah> and it wouldn't put files in there unless i deleted it
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[17:25:05] <jessicah> guess it should add a stamp after successfully extracting a package and depend on the stamp instead of the folder...
[17:25:47] <roptat> ok, thank you for the help
[17:26:04] <jessicah> did removing the folder fix it?
[17:26:18] <roptat> I don’t know. Patience…
[17:26:25] <jessicah> ;)
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[18:35:08] <irker-849> 39d444a: Abort configure script if haikuports, haikuports cross and haikuporter directories do not exist.
[18:55:01] <roptat> jessicah: thank you, my problem is solved
[18:58:29] <Anarchos> jessicah did you comment the check for existing ghc in the configure script ?
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[19:16:09] <Premislaus> " Implement support for the ARMv7/Cortex A8 MMU." only for MMU or for whole ISA?
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[19:21:19] <hamishm> I assume he means as opposed to implementing support for older non-standardised MMUs
[19:22:28] <dnivra> ^^ is what was intended
[19:22:39] <dnivra> Premislaus: is it fine if I answer that tomorrow sometime :)? I've to read about ISA to ensure I can fully answer that :).
[19:22:49] <dnivra> it's kinda late and I've to rush back or get locked out :P
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[19:28:09] <Premislaus> ok thanks
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[19:51:02] <auronandace> dnivra: are you the one doing the arm port?
[19:52:45] <Anarchos> auronandace i think yes.
[19:53:35] <auronandace> neato
[19:54:17] <auronandace> dnivra: minix has a beaglebone black port too, perhaps that could help you
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[20:12:25] <leszek> hi
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[21:12:21] <Paradoxon> [JJ]Albert sorry i took i break from haiku when arm topic came up
[21:12:47] <Paradoxon> [JJ]Albert i guess itamar was the first who had the goal to get it running
[21:12:58] <Paradoxon> and made some real work there
[21:13:27] <Paradoxon> but a "real" goal like gsoc or so should be findable via gsoc
[21:13:44] <Paradoxon> my wifi connection is not the best here in haiku :)
[21:13:53] <Paradoxon> so its hard to look it up...
[21:13:59] <Paradoxon> and i need to reboot now
[21:14:10] <Paradoxon> but maybe this hints helb a little already
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[21:27:13] <KapiX> is it normal that cmake crashes on gcc4h?
[21:27:26] <KapiX> it complains it can't write/read files first
[21:27:29] <KapiX> and then crashes
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[22:16:37] <stargater> hi
[22:16:58] <Anarchos> hi stargater
[22:22:48] <stargater> hi Anarchos
[22:27:35] <Anarchos> jessicah i wonder whcich changes you did to begin the port of haskell
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[23:56:00] <Anarchos> how to replace a package by mine ?
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