April 25, 2014 
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April 25, 2014 [00:09:43] *** tqh has joined #haiku[00:10:57] *** guillaum11 has left #haiku[00:14:45] *** tqh has quit IRC[00:21:59] *** jua_ has quit IRC[00:23:02] *** Xenmen has joined #haiku[00:26:45] *** paulivanov has joined #haiku[00:30:16] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #1864 of x86_64-any-host is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86_64-any-host/builds/1864[00:45:06] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[00:48:17] *** SonicX has quit IRC[00:56:00] *** Miyu is now known as hackkitten[00:58:03] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[01:01:08] *** rkbm has quit IRC[01:01:11] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[01:01:17] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[01:01:22] *** rkbm has joined #haiku[01:02:12] *** alpha123 has quit IRC[01:02:48] *** Miyu has joined #haiku[01:03:13] *** hackkitten has quit IRC[01:10:38] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[01:23:46] *** luroh has quit IRC[01:25:05] *** DHowett has quit IRC[01:25:25] *** DHowett has joined 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paulivanov has joined #haiku[07:22:05] *** TheHitMan has joined #haiku[07:35:42] *** flos has joined #haiku[07:35:49] *** Blub\0 has joined #haiku[07:36:10] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[07:36:35] <jessicah> morning PulkoMandy :)[07:36:40] <PulkoMandy> hi[07:38:17] *** Blub\w has quit IRC[07:39:52] *** FreeFull has quit IRC[07:57:29] *** paulivanov has quit IRC[07:57:59] *** Vampyre has quit IRC[07:58:06] *** Vampyre has joined #haiku[07:59:02] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[08:14:11] *** SonicX has quit IRC[08:22:37] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[08:23:06] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[08:26:51] <arfonzo> Ahoy friends[08:27:45] <jessicah> ahoyhoy arfonzo :)[08:28:12] <arfonzo> How goes? A bit too early here![08:29:33] <jessicah> not too bad[08:29:39] <jessicah> looking at some of my old ocaml code[08:32:14] <arfonzo> Ah. Relics[08:32:20] <arfonzo> :)[08:32:49] <arfonzo> I'll be back shortly when I start work... morning stuffs to be done[08:40:23] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[08:42:08] *** alpha123 has quit IRC[08:42:56] <Premislaus> https://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=PL&v=pareAq4BmDM&hl=pl - this is ver nice video. "BeOS style"[08:43:13] <Premislaus> I did not know this before.[08:43:25] <Premislaus> *very[08:43:43] *** alpha123 has joined #haiku[08:48:17] <jessicah> i like the music :)[08:50:29] <PulkoMandy> I didn't know Haiku, Inc had a movie department[08:54:09] <jessicah> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-k1WF2LGTg lol[08:54:59] <jessicah> what a random video[08:55:22] <jessicah> man, teeny netbooks were fugly[09:00:31] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[09:00:37] *** SonicX has joined #haiku[09:02:36] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[09:02:43] *** Vidiot_X has joined #haiku[09:02:51] *** auronandace has quit IRC[09:04:11] *** Sir_Designer has quit IRC[09:05:52] *** SonicX has quit IRC[09:07:57] *** stargater has joined #haiku[09:09:13] *** Sir_Designer has joined #haiku[09:13:31] *** tqh has joined #haiku[09:13:45] <stargater> moin[09:14:06] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[09:14:18] *** tkack has joined #haiku[09:14:35] *** tkack is now known as TimKack[09:14:50] *** SonicX has joined #haiku[09:14:53] <jessicah> morning[09:18:40] *** auronandace has joined #haiku[09:18:44] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[09:19:16] *** NeonLich1 is now known as NeonLicht[09:34:16] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[09:42:27] *** TheHitMan has quit IRC[09:42:38] *** Xenmen has quit IRC[09:44:17] *** TheHitMan has joined #haiku[09:51:43] *** TheHitMan has quit IRC[09:56:09] *** KapiX has joined #haiku[09:59:38] *** stargater has quit IRC[10:02:03] *** TheHitMan has joined #haiku[10:07:21] *** SonicX has quit IRC[10:09:21] *** IIsi50MHz has joined #haiku[10:13:41] *** cnuke has joined #haiku[10:17:42] *** alvin_ has joined #haiku[10:19:18] *** tqh has quit IRC[10:20:28] *** tqh has joined #haiku[10:39:21] *** kkux has quit IRC[10:40:29] *** jcay_mobile has joined #haiku[10:43:39] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[10:57:53] *** tqh has quit IRC[11:00:06] *** SonicX has joined #haiku[11:08:57] <roptat> Hello, I watched the videos[11:09:16] <jessicah> tree fell over![11:09:25] <jessicah> i'm like, go-go-go[11:09:27] <jessicah> hahaha[11:09:38] <jessicah> those the videos you watched from the ticket?[11:09:53] <roptat> when I close the media player, a message tells me that /boot/home/haiku/generated/objects/…/apps crashed[11:10:09] *** DonLiu has joined #haiku[11:10:20] <Diver> roptat: Press save report button[11:10:55] <KapiX> hmmm, I get undefined references to '_Uniwind_Resume' from STL :|[11:11:05] <KapiX> s/Uniwind/Unwind/[11:11:17] <Diver> mixup of gcc2/gcc4 libs?[11:11:28] <PulkoMandy> KapiX: usually this is because mixing gcc2 and gcc4 objects, or missing linking to libsupc++[11:13:17] <roptat> why did Haiku choose the media player from the haiku tree and not from the system?[11:14:00] <jessicah> i don't understand the question[11:14:31] <Diver> there are two MediaPlayers on his bfs partition[11:15:03] <jessicah> oh[11:16:19] <PulkoMandy> roptat: the association between files and applications is done by MIME type[11:16:32] <PulkoMandy> (both for the file and the app)[11:16:35] <PulkoMandy> and the first app matching the MIME type is used[11:16:57] <roptat> ok[11:17:15] <PulkoMandy> one way to avoid this is using a non-indexed volume for your sourcecode and generated files[11:17:21] <PulkoMandy> (it also makes the build a bit faster)[11:18:04] <roptat> I used non standard options to build haiku last time, that may be why it crashes[11:18:24] <roptat> (like trying multi user)[11:20:50] <roptat> Is --use-gcc-pipe usefull when building on Haiku?[11:22:27] <jessicah> it's maybe fractionally faster? dunno[11:22:34] <jessicah> i've always used it by default[11:22:38] <PulkoMandy> yes, it's faster[11:22:41] <jessicah> should avoid a few temporary files[11:22:46] <PulkoMandy> it avoids writing a lot of files to /tmp[11:22:55] <PulkoMandy> but it uses a bit more RAM[11:32:11] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[11:37:14] *** leszek has joined #haiku[11:37:51] <leszek> hi[11:43:58] *** pemdp has joined #haiku[11:44:00] <pemdp> Hello[11:47:03] <jessicah> hihi[11:54:10] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[12:04:05] *** DonLiu has quit IRC[12:05:12] *** [JJ]Albert has joined #haiku[12:07:07] <jcay_mobile> hey leszek[12:09:58] *** Miyu has quit IRC[12:10:09] *** Miyu has joined #haiku[12:10:25] *** pemdp has quit IRC[12:10:43] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[12:18:27] *** SonicX has quit IRC[12:23:13] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[12:25:41] *** heoyea has quit IRC[12:26:59] *** pemdp has joined #haiku[12:29:37] *** i336_ has quit IRC[12:35:31] *** kcj has joined #haiku[12:58:09] *** kcj has quit IRC[12:59:30] *** _3dEyes has joined #haiku[13:01:50] *** tqh has joined #haiku[13:04:36] *** Vidiot_X has quit IRC[13:06:53] *** flos has quit IRC[13:06:55] *** pdziepak has joined #haiku[13:07:00] *** j-ho has joined #haiku[13:07:00] *** j-ho has left #haiku[13:11:58] *** kcj has joined #haiku[13:14:42] *** _marc` has quit IRC[13:17:24] *** DonLiu has joined #haiku[13:26:39] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[13:26:59] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[13:32:19] *** DonLiu has quit IRC[13:33:59] *** nataraj has joined #haiku[13:34:08] <nataraj> Hi[13:34:28] <auronandace> greetings[13:35:05] <nataraj> seen a freepascal port for haiku, anyone using fpc/lazarus in haiku?[13:39:27] <PulkoMandy> oco works on that from time to time[13:47:10] <nataraj> stable on haiku?[13:48:23] <PulkoMandy> I never tried it :)[13:57:03] *** soakbot has quit IRC[13:57:19] *** soakbot has joined #haiku[13:58:23] *** m0ns00n has joined #haiku[14:00:32] *** nighty-_ has joined #haiku[14:01:11] *** nataraj has quit IRC[14:08:38] *** Miyu has quit IRC[14:08:59] *** zz_NumberNoid is now known as NumberNoid[14:10:38] *** kcj has quit IRC[14:12:18] *** tqh has quit IRC[14:33:56] *** PlkMndy has joined #haiku[14:37:19] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[14:47:41] *** m0nso0n has joined #haiku[14:47:41] *** m0ns00n has quit IRC[14:51:19] <KapiX> Is there any flag for Debugger that lets me debug "incorrect" executable? I'm trying to debug agg examples (compiled for gcc4 on gcc2 system) but it complains it has incorrect ELF header :([14:51:20] *** tqh has joined #haiku[14:53:14] <OmniMancer> that would probably depend on why it thinks the header is incorrect[14:53:57] <KapiX> well, when the app crashes it manages to show me where[14:54:07] <KapiX> and gives me full stack trace[14:54:10] <KapiX> variables, etc.[14:54:20] <OmniMancer> hmmk[14:55:26] <jessicah> use readelf?[14:55:28] *** _3dEyes has quit IRC[14:56:36] <KapiX> wrong magic bytes[14:57:10] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[14:58:13] <KapiX> can I somehow fix that?[14:58:38] <jessicah> can prolly use diskprobe[14:59:02] <jessicah> compare to another executable to see what the magic is[14:59:04] <KapiX> ok[14:59:13] <jessicah> i think it's like ELF\x7 or smth[14:59:16] <jessicah> can't quite remember[15:00:41] <jessicah> anyways, it's like 1am here, time for sleeps[15:00:47] <KapiX> it's a shell script :|[15:00:58] <jessicah> heh[15:01:00] <KapiX> omg[15:01:13] <KapiX> autotools :|[15:01:27] <jessicah> ;)[15:01:29] <jessicah> goodnight![15:01:35] <KapiX> goodnight[15:04:01] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[15:09:32] *** Miyu has joined #haiku[15:10:29] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[15:11:57] *** Diver has quit IRC[15:12:52] *** stargater has joined #haiku[15:14:18] <PlkMndy> KapiX: the actual executable is usually in a .libs folder[15:14:27] <PlkMndy> next to the script[15:14:42] <PlkMndy> but it may be difficult to run, you have to set library paths and stuff like that[15:14:47] <PlkMndy> (the script takes care of that)[15:15:03] *** Diver has joined #haiku[15:15:37] <stargater> hi[15:16:11] <jcay_mobile> hi[15:16:21] <KapiX> yes, I found it[15:16:21] <waddlesplash> arfonzo: ping[15:16:26] <KapiX> it works[15:17:00] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[15:17:38] <waddlesplash> ack[15:17:41] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[15:20:52] *** pemdp has quit IRC[15:31:18] *** hamishm__ has joined #haiku[15:32:45] *** pemdp has joined #haiku[15:35:49] *** tqh has quit IRC[15:37:15] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[15:47:48] *** tqh has joined #haiku[15:59:26] <KapiX> @waddlesplash, did you look into ffmpeg issue?[15:59:35] <KapiX> oh, he's gone[16:04:54] *** stargater has quit IRC[16:09:50] *** leszek has quit IRC[16:10:52] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[16:12:10] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[16:21:30] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[16:21:32] <Premislaus> hello[16:23:30] *** axeld has joined #haiku[16:23:30] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[16:26:33] <arfonzo> ahoy Premislaus, and other various Haiku friends[16:26:47] <arfonzo> PlkMndy: finally building webkit, 36%[16:27:28] <PlkMndy> :)[16:28:11] <arfonzo> I'll be just in time, to be out of date and need to build 1.3.1 :D[16:31:41] <PlkMndy> maybe :)[16:32:28] <PlkMndy> trying to fix a bug that may take more time than planned... and I have only 3 days left on my current contract, if it isn't renewed next month there could be some slowdown while I'm jobhunting...[16:34:14] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[16:39:03] *** darithorn has joined #haiku[17:04:17] *** tqh has quit IRC[17:14:26] *** poxip has joined #haiku[17:18:20] *** NumberNoid has quit IRC[17:23:27] *** NumberNoid has joined #haiku[17:24:35] *** jcay_mobile has quit IRC[17:26:19] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[17:26:33] *** bitkid has joined #haiku[17:29:50] *** bitkid has quit IRC[17:29:57] <scanty> does Webkit need to be build for x86_64, i can do it now[17:36:09] *** KolibriOS|yogev has quit IRC[17:38:08] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[17:41:16] *** paulivanov has joined #haiku[17:42:38] <kallisti5> it may be a little flakey as I'm still working on it...[17:42:40] <kallisti5> http://107.170.82.218/[17:42:55] <kallisti5> if you want to review which recipies currently have lint faults, hover over the "!"[17:43:05] <kallisti5> (package links do nothing atm)[17:43:47] *** useragent has joined #haiku[17:44:46] *** bitkid has joined #haiku[17:45:32] *** stargater has joined #haiku[17:46:08] *** epigraph has joined #haiku[17:46:08] *** KolibriOS|yogev has joined #haiku[17:47:10] <Diver> kallisti5: looks cool:) maybe it's better to link recipies to haikuporter repo at bitbucket, this way it would be possible to view them directly in browser and maybe even fix them online when the fix is obvious[17:47:37] <kallisti5> Diver: issue is that bitbucket wants a revision hash in the url[17:47:50] <kallisti5> also plan on indexing our package repos[17:48:00] <kallisti5> and marking packages that have later versions that are out of date[17:48:09] <kallisti5> /versions/revisions[17:48:31] <PlkMndy> does bitbucket accept HEAD as a hash/tag?[17:48:51] *** useragent has quit IRC[17:48:53] *** ignacio|here is now known as ignacio|away[17:52:11] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[17:55:09] <AlienSoldier> scanty if you look for a pretendo compatibility problem. Gradius II (J).nes the ship explode as soon as the game start.[17:58:40] *** alvin_ has quit IRC[17:59:20] *** Miyu has quit IRC[18:00:01] *** jprostko has joined #haiku[18:01:02] *** hackkitten has joined #haiku[18:06:34] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[18:07:48] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[18:07:58] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[18:12:03] <Premislaus> PulkoMandy: YouTube works but... I have high cpu load on small window with player[18:12:41] <Premislaus> PlkMndy: ping[18:16:14] *** jprostko has quit IRC[18:16:42] *** jprostko has joined #haiku[18:16:52] <PlkMndy> Premislaus: yes, software scaling is slow[18:16:54] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[18:19:12] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[18:19:42] <Premislaus> Windows again, my laptop turn off because overheating[18:20:24] <Premislaus> PlkMndy: scrolling on youtube main page is slow[18:21:20] <PlkMndy> yes, I'm working on that...[18:21:36] <Premislaus> thank you :)[18:31:50] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[18:33:15] *** hamishm__ has quit IRC[18:35:13] *** PlkMndy has quit IRC[18:39:47] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[18:46:13] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[18:50:43] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[18:57:56] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[19:04:08] *** Jafura has quit IRC[19:04:52] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[19:05:45] *** soakbot has quit IRC[19:06:09] *** soakbot has joined #haiku[19:11:49] *** Martini_ has joined #haiku[19:12:34] *** TheHitMan has quit IRC[19:18:56] *** jprostko has quit IRC[19:19:20] *** jprostko has joined #haiku[19:23:33] *** paulivanov has quit IRC[19:24:05] *** jprostko has quit IRC[19:27:46] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[19:43:36] *** humdinger_ has joined #haiku[19:43:37] *** humdinger has quit IRC[19:44:11] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[19:44:12] *** humdinger_ has quit IRC[19:44:47] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[19:44:48] *** humdinger has quit IRC[19:45:26] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[19:48:04] *** humdinger_ has joined #haiku[19:48:04] *** humdinger has quit IRC[19:49:55] *** FreeFull has joined #haiku[19:51:19] <kallisti5> nope. bitbucket doesn't support head un url's[19:51:34] <kallisti5> i'm sure there has to be a way to link directly to a recipe though[19:52:57] <kallisti5> https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/src/master/app-i18n/anthy/anthy-9100.recipe[19:53:00] <kallisti5> "master"[19:53:02] <kallisti5> ah[19:55:36] *** Jafura has joined #haiku[19:56:56] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[20:06:16] *** stippi has joined #haiku[20:06:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[20:14:02] *** Martini__ has joined #haiku[20:15:24] *** luroh has joined #haiku[20:17:05] *** Martini_ has quit IRC[20:17:09] *** Martini__ is now known as Martini_[20:19:11] *** jprostko has joined #haiku[20:24:27] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[20:24:56] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[20:25:21] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[20:34:39] *** luroh has quit IRC[20:37:25] *** Jafura has quit IRC[20:42:54] *** stargater has quit IRC[20:43:30] *** Xenmen has joined #haiku[20:47:34] *** axeld has quit IRC[20:51:59] *** luroh has joined #haiku[21:01:29] *** jprostko has quit IRC[21:01:58] *** jprostko has joined #haiku[21:06:08] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[21:09:01] <Ptrus> Welcome to the Haiku shell.[21:09:01] <Ptrus>[21:09:02] <Ptrus> ~/Desktop> uptime[21:09:02] <Ptrus> Fri Apr 25 12:08:13 2014, up 24 days, 2 hours, 7 minutes[21:09:19] <Ptrus> hauku r1a4.1[21:12:02] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[21:12:33] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[21:14:01] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[21:15:30] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[21:16:03] <IIsi50MHz> I was 'all like' "Pfft, I'm sure this Windows machine I have to one side has better uptime than that."[21:16:19] <IIsi50MHz> ...then I had to Google how to even get Windows' uptime.[21:16:47] <IIsi50MHz> Turned out to be 3d 12h 27m, 2s /-:[21:16:47] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[21:18:47] <IIsi50MHz> And yes, I know it's silly to think that any Windows machine might have had good uptime.[21:23:39] <jessicah> if there were no windows updates, sure would get good uptime[21:26:00] <bbjimmy> That machine is running coquilletkd.com and fatelk.com as well as the coquilletkd.com beshare server.[21:26:05] <Anarchos> hi jessicah[21:26:15] <jessicah> hi Anarchos :)[21:26:27] <Anarchos> jessicah i want a haskell compiler on haiku <3[21:27:11] <jessicah> better get porting then ;)[21:28:47] <Anarchos> jessicah haskell need a haskell compiler.... Not as ocaml .[21:29:54] <jessicah> yes i know; i tried to port it once[21:29:57] <jessicah> i didn't get very far[21:31:09] <Anarchos> jessicah where did you start ?[21:31:22] <jessicah> https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Building/Porting[21:31:33] <Anarchos> jessicah i saw that :)[21:31:44] <Anarchos> humdinger_ where can i find source code of Quicklaunch ?[21:34:28] <Anarchos> jessicah where did you stop and why ?[21:34:29] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[21:36:25] <jessicah> i don't remember, was some time ago[21:36:40] <jessicah> basically the instructions didn't work at all[21:37:29] *** idefix_gromit has quit IRC[21:37:51] <Anarchos> jessicah why didn't they used a runtime in C with a boot compiler in bytecode as in ocaml ??[21:37:53] <jessicah> i'll give it another go though :)[21:38:04] <jessicah> because haskell people are crazy[21:39:19] <Anarchos> jessicah maybe i will code my own haskell compiler targeting the ocaml runtime ;)[21:41:04] <jessicah> lol[21:43:40] <Anarchos> jessicah anyway they have concurrency and parallelism ?[21:44:10] <FreeFull> GHC can target LLVM[21:44:25] <Anarchos> FreeFull it seems[21:44:45] <PulkoMandy> can't you cross-compile it?[21:44:57] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy they said so but jessicah denies it...[21:45:08] <jessicah> you can, but it's fairly complicated[21:45:17] <PulkoMandy> can't be worse than some Forth implementations...[21:45:35] <jessicah> well, you need to build ghc with ghc for starters[21:45:45] <PulkoMandy> "you can cross compile this from this particular version of forth that runs either on ms-dos or atari st..."[21:46:01] <jessicah> and it compiles like 3 versions of ghc to get from build to target[21:46:24] *** kkux has joined #haiku[21:46:29] <jessicah> yeah, building ghc with ghc has various version requirements as well[21:46:40] <kallisti5> w00t[21:46:42] <kallisti5> http://107.170.82.218/[21:46:52] <kallisti5> now the x86 column shows if that package exists in our repos[21:46:52] <jessicah> it's probably on par with forth by the sounds of it[21:47:15] <kallisti5> .. I think the package needs to be green though, hard to see where it exists / doesn't exist[21:47:21] <puckipedia> You can't tap the header to sort using that /s[21:47:42] <PulkoMandy> jessicah: well, forth for standard systems is easier as there are plain ansi C versions of it[21:47:53] <PulkoMandy> things get complicated when you want a fast version for some 8-bit CPU[21:47:56] <kallisti5> puckipedia: i could. just not there yet :P[21:48:01] <PulkoMandy> but only I care about that[21:48:52] <jessicah> PulkoMandy: well, there are no ansi-c versions of ghc nowadays that i know of :p[21:48:57] <puckipedia> Also, for the architecture columns, you may want to use the red and green things for that[21:50:26] <humdinger_> Anarchos: QuickLaunch source is in SourceForge, See the readme.[21:50:33] <Anarchos> humdinger_ ok thanks[21:50:47] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[21:50:58] <humdinger_> It's also a haikuporter Revolte, so you'll geht the source Rover hat Zoo.[21:51:05] <humdinger_> Too[21:51:24] <humdinger_> Recipe[21:51:32] <humdinger_> Damn autocorrect.[21:51:52] <Lelldorin1> hello all[21:51:54] <humdinger_> There should also be a source package in haiku depot[21:52:10] <PulkoMandy> jessicah: maybe start with another compiler? https://github.com/UU-ComputerScience/uhc ?[21:53:02] <jessicah> no, you have to use ghc[21:54:15] <kallisti5> puckipedia: hm. still had to see[21:54:27] <kallisti5> puckipedia: think maybe a gray box[21:54:50] <puckipedia> Test[21:54:57] <puckipedia> Ok, still connected[21:55:43] *** [JJ]Albert has quit IRC[21:56:18] *** TimKack has quit IRC[21:59:06] <jessicah> Anarchos: hmm, seems they might've improved cross-building[21:59:09] <jessicah> am trying again :)[21:59:50] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[22:00:28] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[22:01:25] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[22:03:07] <Anarchos> humdinger_ it compiled at first try :)[22:03:24] <Anarchos> jessicah you have a linux around ?[22:03:52] <jessicah> yep[22:04:24] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[22:04:36] <humdinger_> Anarchos: it should. It's small and all Haiku API, no dependcies. :-)[22:05:38] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[22:05:49] *** zulu has joined #haiku[22:06:33] <Anarchos> Is there a package for Paladin on haikudepot ?[22:07:06] <humdinger_> I think it's still missing.[22:08:00] <humdinger_> Pulkomandy had a working one some time ago. But not generated by haikuporter.[22:08:25] <Anarchos> humdinger_ i will add a test forbidding to search when only one letter is typed, cause it make Wuicklaunch to freeze for a second :)[22:08:26] <PulkoMandy> ?[22:08:34] * PulkoMandy don't remember compiling Paladin[22:09:18] <humdinger_> PulkoMandy: guess I misremembered then...[22:10:08] *** zulu has quit IRC[22:10:20] <humdinger_> Anarchos: I had something like that earlier, but as it's pretty much instantaneous after the first search, I dropped it.[22:10:21] *** zulu has joined #haiku[22:11:25] <zulu> hi. is openjdk from haikudepot broken? the command java -version gets following error "resolve symbol "_get_system_info" returned: -2147478780"[22:12:21] <Anarchos> humdinger_ i just change the test "if (letters >0)" by "if (letters >1)" :)[22:12:41] <humdinger_> Right.[22:13:06] <humdinger_> I think I even had 3 letters back then.[22:13:46] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[22:13:51] <Anarchos> humdinger_ how to replace my installed QuickLaunch by this one ?[22:14:41] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[22:14:48] <humdinger_> Either create your own package,[22:15:21] <humdinger_> Or uninstall quick launch, and put your binary into non-packaged/apps/[22:16:45] *** heoyea has joined #haiku[22:16:52] *** Zeno__ has joined #haiku[22:17:05] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[22:18:02] <humdinger_> Zulu: I didn't even know openjdk was already in haikudepot...[22:19:30] <zulu> humdinger: it is. Version 1.7[22:20:40] <Anarchos> humdinger_ a chacne we could compile eclipse ??[22:20:57] <KapiX> Anarchos, there is no SWT port[22:20:59] <zulu> humdinger:ps. is use a nightly build[22:21:03] <KapiX> though ingo was working on it[22:21:26] <humdinger_> Oh good. Wasn't get_system_info related to Haiku dealing with more than 8 cores now?[22:21:30] <zulu> i want to try xdev java ide[22:22:52] <humdinger_> Keep on hacking! I got to split.[22:22:59] *** humdinger_ has quit IRC[22:24:32] <Anarchos> KapiX it reminds me i have the full X documentation on paper :)[22:26:19] <KapiX> Anarchos how much it weights? :P[22:26:20] *** heoyea has quit IRC[22:26:40] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[22:28:14] <Anarchos> KapiX i would say 2 kilos[22:28:55] <KapiX> much less that I expected :)[22:29:01] <KapiX> s/that/than[22:29:14] *** jprostko has quit IRC[22:29:27] <Anarchos> KapiX maybe i will code a full compliant X server for haiku :)[22:30:33] *** Jafura has joined #haiku[22:31:20] <KapiX> Anarchos I you'd do that that would be such a waste of resources ;)[22:31:31] <KapiX> s/I/If/[22:32:19] <Anarchos> KapiX so much applications rely on X ...[22:33:20] <PulkoMandy> zulu: yes, an API in Haiku changed and the OpenJDK package needs to be rebuilt[22:33:22] <jessicah> hmm[22:33:28] <jessicah> first attempt at build failed[22:33:38] <PulkoMandy> (and this is only on gcc4 installs, not on gcc2hybrid as the recipe won't work for that)[22:33:40] <KapiX> PulkoMandy, I tried to do that, javac crashes[22:33:40] <jessicah> some esoteric error about can't find /tmp/randomfile.o[22:33:55] <PulkoMandy> KapiX: yes, i didn't get it running either[22:34:10] <jessicah> Anarchos: cross-compiling ghc looks like it's going to be a bit of a pain to get going =/[22:34:43] <KapiX> Anarchos, which ones are that? ;)[22:35:15] <jessicah> Anarchos: if you want X, you may as well stick with linux ;)[22:35:37] <jessicah> there's only so much legacy one can take[22:35:43] <jessicah> gcc2 should be the extent of that :p[22:35:52] <KapiX> :D[22:38:50] <Anarchos> KapiX i would like to use alliance, a vhdl full toolchain, to develop my own processor, but it requires X...[22:39:41] <PulkoMandy> there is an SDL based X server that should run out of the box[22:39:44] <PulkoMandy> no need to rewrite one[22:40:00] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy with all the Motif libraries too ?[22:40:27] <PulkoMandy> that's a separate thing, once you have X you can compile motif (or lesstif) for it[22:40:46] <PulkoMandy> actually, you don't even need an X server for that[22:41:04] <PulkoMandy> you could get motif apps running on Haiku, and displaying on some linux box using ssh -X[22:42:32] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy well, i will just wait haiku to have a full VLSI design toolchain ;)[22:43:45] <Anarchos> jessicah thanks for the try on haskell :)[22:43:58] <jessicah> :)[22:44:11] <pemdp> ls[22:44:18] <jessicah> not found[22:44:20] <Anarchos> jessicah i should really have another linux box aside my haiku one[22:44:21] <pemdp> ups lol[22:44:28] <Anarchos> pemdp access denied.[22:44:46] <jessicah> mm, yeah, i could always do with another box it seems[22:45:30] <jessicah> my teeny i3 box is good for testing efi on, so don't really use it for anything else atm[22:45:56] <pemdp> Actualy I have a "--cross-devel-package not found" while trying to bootstrap Haiku for ARM.[22:46:27] <jessicah> but the i3 won't be any faster at compiling than my VMs on my main box[22:46:34] <jessicah> so i just use it for testing efi[22:47:51] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[22:48:37] *** [JJ]Albert has joined #haiku[22:57:25] <Anarchos> jessicah just launch a compilation before going to bed ;)[22:57:52] <jessicah> oh it's still generally fast enough to compile on... about 15-20 minutes i suppose[22:59:38] <PulkoMandy> pemdp: looks like using arguments in the wrong order...[23:00:18] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[23:01:30] <IIsi50MHz> I had this tab loaded in the background and just discovered it when closing unused tabs...[23:01:33] <IIsi50MHz> http://www.walkernews.net/2009/02/06/how-to-check-windows-uptime/[23:03:00] <IIsi50MHz> It proposes installing an MS command "uptime", or "For people who believe fewer programs are better (like me)" [list of complicated, wordy, takes-way-too-long methods][23:03:46] <IIsi50MHz> Seriously seems to think anyone would prefer typing «net statistics workstation | find "since"» instead of «uptime»[23:04:00] <gordonjcp> IIsi50MHz: that's Windows all over[23:04:22] <gordonjcp> I never understood why people go "ZOMG Linux is so hard to install stuff in, you have to type things"[23:04:25] <gordonjcp> yeah[23:04:36] <gordonjcp> like "sudo apt-get install unzip"[23:04:42] <IIsi50MHz> Well...*nix is a bitch :-P[23:04:45] <gordonjcp> wait ten seconds[23:04:47] <gordonjcp> ....[23:04:48] <gordonjcp> done[23:05:01] <gordonjcp> or on Windows, google for "Zip file extractor"[23:05:53] <gordonjcp> find something that's called something like "XxXxShadowBladexXxX HotUnZip Pro Gold"[23:06:08] <gordonjcp> which appears to be the best thing out judging by its position on Google[23:06:14] <hamishm> or just use the built in one[23:06:16] <IIsi50MHz> I'm a Macintosh System 7.1.1 orphan, so "sudo apt-get install unzip" seems completely obtuse compared to "Double-click installer, or just drag the program folder where you want it."[23:06:20] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[23:06:22] <gordonjcp> download it from xxxhornypornysluts4u.ru[23:06:28] <gordonjcp> oh, it's a zip file[23:06:31] <gordonjcp> great[23:06:35] <gordonjcp> back to Google[23:07:00] <pemdp> PulkoMandy: My error is similar to this https://gist.github.com/pulkomandy/9162826[23:07:00] <gordonjcp> okay how about "UnExtractZip4Free" on hotfiledownloadplus.co.ck[23:07:18] <gordonjcp> "PAY FOR FAST DOWNLOAD" "FREE DOWNLOAD (slow)"[23:07:19] *** guillaum1 has joined #haiku[23:07:25] <gordonjcp> okay fuck it, I can wait, "FREE DOWNLOAD"[23:07:32] <gordonjcp> it trickles in at 12kB/s[23:07:44] <gordonjcp> finally, and it's a .MSI fill[23:07:45] <gordonjcp> *file[23:07:49] <gordonjcp> click it[23:07:53] <gordonjcp> sit through the opening animations[23:07:54] <PulkoMandy> pemdp: that error is when trying to bootstrap from haiku, this is unsupported[23:07:58] <IIsi50MHz> I guess I'm saying I have structs for olde-style Macintosh installation methods, and have to run Linux via an ABI translator.[23:08:01] <PulkoMandy> currently you have to bootstrap from linux[23:08:05] <gordonjcp> "Are you sure you wish to install?" click <next>[23:08:08] <PulkoMandy> with slightly different commands[23:08:10] <gordonjcp> click <next> a bunch more times[23:08:37] <gordonjcp> back up, uncheck the checkboxes so it doesn't install "HappyMonkeyBuddy 1.6 Pro Super"[23:08:43] <IIsi50MHz> Yes, Windows installer have an insane number of "Nexts" and other steps.[23:08:48] <gordonjcp> an hour later, you can now extract zip files[23:08:59] <gordonjcp> ... but you have to buy another package if you want to create them[23:09:04] <gordonjcp> *fuck that*[23:09:06] <IIsi50MHz> /s/installer/installers/[23:09:25] * IIsi50MHz attempts to use discombobulating expressions[23:09:58] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:10:25] <IIsi50MHz> gordon: or use the Windows default zip/unzip, which is moderately inconvenient but already installed.[23:11:54] <IIsi50MHz> Thinking of creating a new zip using Windows default tool, I've always wondered why Explorer doesn't seem to cache the list of New items in the context menu. Always seems to pause, load icons into the list one at a time...[23:12:09] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[23:12:09] <IIsi50MHz> And this with no programs running, 16 GB RAM.[23:12:15] <IIsi50MHz> Or any config, really.[23:12:51] <IIsi50MHz> Meh, lots of Windows behaviours are just Weird®[23:13:41] <gordonjcp> IIsi50MHz: I've never got that to work[23:13:45] <gordonjcp> I know it's supposed to do it[23:13:53] <IIsi50MHz> You can drag-drop an item in the Start menu to another folder in the Start menu; it appears to drop where you said, but when you open the menu next time, it's at the bottom of the list instead of where you put it.[23:14:06] <IIsi50MHz> Always have to sort it twice to make it stick.[23:14:48] <IIsi50MHz> I'm so glad Haiku lets me turn off "folders before files".[23:15:00] <jessicah> omg, so many steps to building ghc[23:15:09] * jessicah starts over, again[23:15:17] <IIsi50MHz> type-ahead-find is broken when folders and files are grouped separately[23:15:24] *** stippi has quit IRC[23:17:42] <IIsi50MHz> Thinking of convenient Haiku features, didn't I read some time^H^H^H^Hyears ago that there was a "new decorator" or something which would let you combine windows as though they were one tabbed window?[23:19:15] <jessicah> already exists[23:19:38] <jessicah> you can drag the title with the opt or meta key held down to stack & tile[23:19:45] <jessicah> i forget which[23:20:10] <IIsi50MHz> Hrm, couldn't seem to make it work when guessing key combos. Thanks.[23:20:23] * IIsi50MHz almost sent "Thanx" >.<[23:21:00] <jessicah> yeah, the windows key, which i guess is meta[23:21:17] <jessicah> drag the title ontop of another title; should change colour[23:21:40] <IIsi50MHz> Ah, I was trying to drag into alignment with another title, not onto.[23:21:43] <jessicah> the actual pointer needs to be over the target title[23:21:55] <jessicah> rather than just overlapping tabs[23:22:38] *** pdziepak has quit IRC[23:22:53] <jessicah> oh, hmm, it does work for overlapping, but just in vertical direction[23:23:11] <jessicah> i wonder if that's on purpose[23:24:20] <Premislaus> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/10784 :'( :'-([23:25:46] <mmu_man> Premislaus: it's a bug in your video BIOS I'd say[23:25:58] <mmu_man> ask the vendor to fix it :D[23:26:21] <mmu_man> (I know, they won't care, but it's not a reason not to tell them)[23:26:57] *** PasNox has quit IRC[23:26:59] *** ignacio|away is now known as ignacio|here[23:27:16] <Premislaus> mmu_man: Samsunt to Premislaus - "Fuck off!" https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/9941#comment:6[23:27:39] <Premislaus> *Samsung[23:29:04] <Premislaus> mmu_man: http://translate.google.pl/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.suse.pl%2Findex.php%2Ftopic%2C26536.msg186765.html%23msg186765&edit-text=[23:32:05] <mmu_man> sue![23:32:11] <Premislaus> http://www.yellowchrome.org/infoanarchism.jpg[23:32:30] <mmu_man> and they are "pleased to announce" OMFG[23:33:43] <IIsi50MHz> Ja[23:34:04] <Premislaus> I must buy new computer for Haiku.[23:34:53] <jessicah> i'm sure i killed my airbook messing around with efi, heh[23:35:31] <jessicah> though the repair shop said they just replaced the SSD[23:35:43] <jessicah> still, for 2 months old...[23:35:57] <mmu_man> unless stupid EFI puts encrypted config on the SSD there's no reason[23:36:11] <mmu_man> or unless they wanted you to pay a lot :)[23:36:26] <jessicah> it's warranty; fixed free of charge[23:36:40] <jessicah> it's an airbook; who knows what random stuff they do[23:37:10] <jessicah> i'd already seen a bug in their Disk Utility when it tries to do stuff with a GPT partition guid it doesn't understand[23:37:33] <jessicah> so i suspect the same bug might be in their EFI implementation, and when i changed the disk partition layout, EFI choked and died[23:37:51] <jessicah> and replacing the SSD would be equivalent of removing "faulty" partition :p[23:38:30] <mmu_man> bugs, bugs bugs..[23:38:32] *** jua_ has quit IRC[23:38:43] <jessicah> Disk Utility would completely deadlock :p[23:39:10] <jessicah> atm am trying to get intel to update their efi firmware for intel nuc....[23:39:30] <jessicah> companies don't seem too eager to admit they need to fix something :([23:39:45] <mmu_man> sue[23:39:55] <mmu_man> :p[23:40:03] <mmu_man> or threaten to at least[23:40:19] <jessicah> heh[23:40:32] <mmu_man> sometimes sending letters with the mention "Copy to: (some consumer defense association)" works[23:40:40] <mmu_man> worked once for me for an ISP[23:40:41] <jessicah> mebbe could claim that it's not fit for purpose[23:40:52] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[23:40:53] <jessicah> haha, nice[23:45:07] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[23:46:10] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[23:50:33] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[23:52:59] *** heoyea has joined #haiku[23:53:30] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[23:54:53] <IIsi50MHz> Had some fantastic'ly cheap Panasonic headphones with and fantastic sound with inline volume control that flakes out after about 30 days (random channel loss, requiring increasing amounts of jiggling the volume control).[23:55:12] <IIsi50MHz> Got a second pair, gave somebody a third pair for a birthday.[23:55:49] <IIsi50MHz> All had the same problem, so wrote to Panasonic telling them I'd pay +$5 for a version that was exactly the same but without volume control.[23:56:20] <IIsi50MHz> Next revision: +$5, no volume control.[23:56:56] <IIsi50MHz> I felt powerful. Until I reminded myself I probably wasn't the only one to notice the problem.