April 24, 2014 
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April 24, 2014 [00:02:59] *** jstressman has quit IRC[00:04:30] <Not-001> [haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/commits/[00:04:34] <Not-001> [haikuports] korli 1283174 - added libebur128. * gentoo-portage doesn't have this lib, so I chose media-libs for a category.[00:06:09] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[00:07:33] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[00:21:28] <irker-849> haiku.master: stippi * hrev47162 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=e08beeb+%5E5153d5e[00:21:29] <irker-849> e08beeb: HaikuDepot: Work on retrieving more pkg info[00:29:00] *** stippi has quit IRC[00:29:23] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[00:42:24] *** Martini_ has quit IRC[00:44:17] *** guillaum11 has joined #haiku[00:46:04] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #1861 of x86_64-any-host is complete: Failure [failed [x86_64] [x86_64] @release-anyboot [x86_64] build repository haiku [x86_64] upload_haiku_repository] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86_64-any-host/builds/1861 blamelist: Stephan A?mus <superstippi at gmx dot de>[00:47:22] *** guillaum1 has left #haiku[00:47:32] *** bbjimmy-atwork- has joined #haiku[00:47:58] *** guillaum11 has quit IRC[00:48:14] *** guillaum11 has joined #haiku[00:50:49] *** guillaum11 has quit IRC[00:51:06] *** guillaum11 has joined #haiku[00:52:25] *** guillaum11 is now known as guillaum1[00:55:11] *** paulivanov has quit IRC[00:56:39] *** luroh has quit IRC[00:57:24] *** Xenmen has joined #haiku[01:05:26] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[01:06:44] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[01:08:24] *** Vidiot_X has joined #haiku[01:14:32] *** paulivanov has joined #haiku[01:17:24] *** _marc` has quit IRC[01:18:17] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[01:21:39] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[01:28:29] *** axeld has quit IRC[01:32:05] *** petterhj has quit IRC[01:37:04] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[01:45:14] *** kkux has quit IRC[01:45:45] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[01:58:01] *** kkux has joined #haiku[01:59:05] *** jstressman has joined #haiku[02:05:08] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[02:05:33] *** jua_ has quit IRC[02:05:37] *** oco2 has quit IRC[02:06:46] *** KapiX has left #haiku[02:17:41] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:21:42] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[02:44:40] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[02:46:15] *** Kernel86_ is now known as Kernel86[02:48:40] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[02:55:19] *** Sir_Designer_ has joined #haiku[02:55:32] *** Sir_Designer has quit IRC[02:57:52] *** flos has joined #haiku[02:58:11] *** flos has joined #haiku[02:58:29] *** Codora has quit IRC[03:00:11] *** Codora has joined #haiku[03:13:37] *** epigraph has quit IRC[03:39:33] *** xyzzy has quit IRC[03:39:46] *** xyzzy has joined #haiku[03:40:17] *** Gareth has quit IRC[03:40:44] *** paulivanov has quit IRC[03:41:47] *** Gareth has joined #haiku[04:05:31] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[04:09:53] *** bbjimmy-atwork- has quit IRC[04:15:21] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[04:24:31] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[04:31:23] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[04:38:12] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[04:47:04] *** wadlspl has joined #haiku[04:47:33] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[04:47:39] *** wadlspl is now known as waddlesplash[04:48:42] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[04:49:17] *** Sir_Designer_ is now known as Sir_Designer[05:01:57] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[05:37:56] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[05:56:53] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[06:01:37] *** Yann64 has quit IRC[06:03:46] *** Yann64 has joined #haiku[06:13:41] *** FreeFull_ has joined #haiku[06:14:20] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[06:14:24] *** FreeFull has quit IRC[06:14:37] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[06:26:46] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[06:46:09] *** freedomrun has joined #haiku[06:48:03] *** nataraj has joined #haiku[06:48:10] <nataraj> Hi[06:48:43] <nataraj> unable to write to .raw to a partition, geometry error[06:49:00] <puckipedia> hmm...[06:49:44] <jessicah> weird[06:49:47] <jessicah> how you do it?[06:49:58] <nataraj> btw, i own an Openpadora gadget, with sd card boot[06:50:01] <jessicah> are you sure you're writing to whole disk and not a partition?[06:50:03] <puckipedia> I guess just dd or cat into a /dev/disk/*/raw[06:50:06] <puckipedia> nataraj, cool[06:50:15] <nataraj> dd[06:50:25] <puckipedia> I've got a Zipit, which should also be able to boot Haiku[06:50:27] <puckipedia> actually, nvm[06:50:29] <puckipedia> ram problems[06:50:49] <jessicah> dd ... and the rest? ;)[06:50:53] <nataraj> what is Zipit? Arm ?[06:50:54] * jessicah will bbiab, home time[06:51:12] <puckipedia> armv5 iirc[06:51:36] <nataraj> ok. I do have a armv5 gadget , at91sam9263ek[06:52:15] <puckipedia> pretty nice[06:52:41] <nataraj> it boots from a usb pen too[06:52:58] <puckipedia> mine is this: http://rulezzz.dp.ua/users_data/s/steel-ice/blog_data/20071107/zipitz2_01_1.jpg[06:53:02] <nataraj> cant wait to have haiku on an arm[06:53:14] <puckipedia> I flashed u-boot onto it[06:54:56] <nataraj> cool! runs linux ?[06:55:07] <puckipedia> yep[06:55:10] <puckipedia> openwrt and arch[06:55:16] <puckipedia> some others too[06:55:36] <puckipedia> but just run openwrt on it, arch needs more ram to install packages[06:56:00] <nataraj> what do ya use it for?[06:56:01] <puckipedia> 32mb iirc[06:56:23] <puckipedia> some chatting mostly[06:56:28] <puckipedia> it has a pretty nice keyboard[06:56:47] <puckipedia> very clicky, although not a rubber dome keyboard[06:56:52] <puckipedia> mechanical*[06:57:02] <puckipedia> it's just those metal discs[06:57:06] <nataraj> yeah, pandora too is mechanical[06:58:09] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[06:58:21] <puckipedia> the openpandora is pretty nice, although kinda expensive imo[06:58:31] <puckipedia> I've got too much other devices already[06:58:45] <nataraj> yep, its ok , but not too dandy[06:59:13] <puckipedia> Does it support prominicious mode?[07:00:39] <puckipedia> hmm, it should[07:01:12] <puckipedia> It would be awesome to just run aircrack-ng on it[07:02:32] <nataraj> promiscous mode, old DOS stuff?[07:02:58] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[07:03:20] <puckipedia> oh wow[07:03:24] <puckipedia> this wifi is really slow[07:03:32] <puckipedia> like seriously[07:03:38] <puckipedia> my mobile is quicker than this[07:03:56] <puckipedia> promicuous mode[07:04:18] <puckipedia> which means it just receives all packages it can "hear"[07:04:32] <geist> really dont want to get haiku running on armv5[07:04:48] <puckipedia> 32mb of ram is a bit low[07:04:54] <nataraj> what about running on Cortex A8?[07:04:58] <geist> much better[07:05:01] <nataraj> is there a WIP?[07:05:01] <puckipedia> A8 and higher iirc[07:05:04] <geist> right[07:05:11] <puckipedia> nataraj, not yet iirc[07:05:24] <puckipedia> GSoC will provide a working ARM port hopefully[07:05:40] <nataraj> as i said, since pandora boots from an SD card, without need of Nand,[07:05:47] <geist> yeah, arm926 is far too low end to run a modern os[07:05:53] <geist> most big SoCs do now, that's not an issue[07:05:54] <puckipedia> Well, shouldn't depend[07:05:58] <puckipedia> arm926?[07:06:07] <nataraj> btw, that at91sam9263 on 64M worked wonders for a commercial work[07:06:09] <puckipedia> that's approx 920 revisions in the future[07:06:12] <geist> that at91sam that nataraj mentioned[07:06:18] <nataraj> Linux and Qt embedded[07:06:24] <puckipedia> of course[07:06:39] <nataraj> without X[07:06:41] <geist> yeah, would be decent enough for embedde stuff, though it's still quite old. that's about 2002 era stuff[07:06:47] <puckipedia> but testing by waddlesplash found out that 96mb is minimum for a gcc2h[07:06:58] <geist> nowadays for that class hardware you'd probably go with a cortex-a5[07:07:19] <puckipedia> PulkoMandy was busy with an Allwinner A10[07:07:20] <nataraj> any hope of running Haiku on pandora as of now?[07:07:27] <geist> what is pandora?[07:07:32] <puckipedia> openpandora[07:07:51] * geist looks it up[07:07:57] <puckipedia> It's pretty cool[07:08:02] <puckipedia> acpi[07:08:04] <puckipedia> ehm[07:08:07] <puckipedia> that was meant for my shell[07:08:14] <nataraj> http://openpandora.org/[07:08:57] <geist> hmm omap 3530. pretty old but usable[07:09:12] <geist> it's at least a cortex-a8[07:09:34] <nataraj> ok, got some time to work, though I aint a nerd[07:09:48] <geist> the raw nand flash is going to be annoying[07:09:50] <jessicah> neither[07:09:57] <puckipedia> hmm[07:10:03] <geist> but has a sdhc slot, so could root on SD[07:10:07] <puckipedia> exactly[07:10:08] <geist> which is somewhat less annoying[07:10:14] <nataraj> 2 slots, btw[07:10:17] <geist> though haiku would need a SD/MMC stack[07:10:18] <puckipedia> doesn't it run like u-boot?[07:10:33] <puckipedia> Well, that would probably be added anyways[07:10:34] <nataraj> u-boot is the bootloader[07:10:38] *** Cld has quit IRC[07:11:06] <nataraj> did u mean haiku runs like u-boot?[07:11:20] <geist> not sure what he was asking[07:11:30] <puckipedia> nope[07:11:42] <puckipedia> doesn't the openpandora run, like, u-boot[07:11:54] <puckipedia> not like it just raw-boots from sd[07:12:05] <geist> well sure. though omap3530s can raw boot from sd[07:12:18] <puckipedia> also, I guess a sd/mmc stack will be added with GSoC[07:12:19] <nataraj> well, need to setup u-boot params to boot from SD[07:12:20] *** freedomrun has quit IRC[07:12:35] <geist> right. sadly sd/mmc stack is non trivial[07:12:41] <nataraj> ok, until then, just a PC[07:12:48] <geist> harder than something like ATA, not quite as bad as usb[07:13:24] <nataraj> started hating linux[07:13:44] <jessicah> sd stack?[07:14:32] <puckipedia> for ARM[07:15:01] <geist> right, SD/MMC/SDIO is a collection of similar tech on top of the same bus[07:15:12] <nataraj> is it there for x86?[07:15:19] <geist> so you end up with a software stack, like usb or whatnot, where you ahve to enumerate the bus and find the bits[07:15:27] <geist> has nothing to do with arm or x86[07:15:47] <geist> most of the time when you talk to sd/mmc you're using a usb dongle, which hides the details, and converts it to usb mass storage[07:15:51] <geist> which is completely different[07:15:56] <nataraj> seems worth an effort[07:16:09] <geist> but if you have a direct SDHCI controller (like you do on most arm cores) then you have to implement the SD/MMC yourself[07:17:00] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[07:17:14] <nataraj> where to begin?[07:17:38] <puckipedia> well[07:17:46] <geist> like all things it involves getting hardware[07:18:06] <puckipedia> Actually, I would first port Haiku to ARM[07:18:25] *** kcj has joined #haiku[07:18:33] <geist> yep, or find a pc laptop with SDHCI. there are some. my lenovo work machine has raw sdhci[07:18:44] <nataraj> any Arm PC around with hdd?[07:19:11] <nataraj> my acer netbook has one[07:19:15] <geist> not too many. some allwinner and marvell SoCs have SATA, but those are usually for disk storage machines[07:19:26] <geist> nataraj: has sdhci?[07:20:04] <puckipedia> sd host controller interface[07:20:17] <geist> oh good. there you go. you can hack on that[07:20:42] <geist> not all of them have raw sdhci. sometimes they hide it behind an internal usb device. i think macs do that[07:20:52] <puckipedia> also, most laptops[07:21:07] <geist> not necessarilly[07:21:37] <nataraj> well, it loads as /dev/sd*[07:21:41] <puckipedia> that's normal[07:21:53] <nataraj> not /dev/mmc*[07:21:54] <geist> then that's usb most likely[07:22:04] <geist> /dev/mmcblk* is what usually happens if you have a sdhci controler[07:22:12] <puckipedia> actually[07:22:15] <geist> poke around in /dev/interupts or whatnot to see if you have it[07:22:17] <puckipedia> then I've never seen one pc with sdhci[07:22:26] *** FreeFull has joined #haiku[07:22:39] <geist> yeah, like i said, ti's pretty rare. mostof the time they just put a usb device on. my lenovo does, and it actually works pretty badly[07:23:09] <puckipedia> hmm?[07:23:27] <geist> sdhci requires quite a bit of fiddling around, lots of transactions to get it going. it actually almost does make sense having a microcontroller on the other side of usb deal with it[07:23:46] <geist> it's kind of like old ATA, not terribly efficient from the host point of view[07:24:18] *** FreeFull_ has quit IRC[07:24:22] <nataraj> seems like usb[07:25:26] *** freedomrun has joined #haiku[07:25:59] *** darithorn has quit IRC[07:30:35] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[07:39:49] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[07:40:33] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[07:42:58] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[07:44:06] *** FreeFull has quit IRC[07:46:27] *** MatthewH12 has quit 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I'm writing a post on haiku-os.org right now and would like to know if there is some way to preserve the formatting when copy-pasting from word document without having to add HTMl tags?[11:14:43] <arfonzo> unfortunately I don't think so dnivra[11:14:48] <arfonzo> ahoy all, btw[11:15:03] <PulkoMandy> can't google doc export as html?[11:15:15] <arfonzo> I have ended up writing in HTML in a text file and pasting it in at the end[11:15:25] <dnivra> good point. I should try the doc export option.[11:16:05] <arfonzo> there are a few specific html/css styles that haiku-os.org uses, but export would definitely work for most basic HTML formatting.[11:16:58] <dnivra> would be nice to have an editor like tinymce available :).[11:17:00] <arfonzo> PulkoMandy: ah, curiously, so that sqlite3 error with haikuwebkit didn't happen again, once I built sqlite_x86[11:17:16] <arfonzo> but I got another one regarding gperf: Encountered problems resolving package dependencies:[11:17:16] <arfonzo> 1: nothing provides cmd:gperf needed by faked_haikuwebkit_x86-1.3.0-2[11:17:16] <arfonzo> Error: unable to resolve prerequired packages for build for haikuwebkit_x86-1.3.0[11:17:16] <arfonzo> Error: package-infos:[11:17:16] <arfonzo> Error: /boot/home/src/haikuports/haiku-libs/haikuwebkit/work-x86-1.3.0/package-infos/haikuwebkit_x86-1.3.0.PackageInfo[11:18:04] <jessicah> ahoyhoy arfonzo[11:18:15] <PulkoMandy> strange. and I guess building gperf manually will also fix that?[11:18:25] <PulkoMandy> are you using --no-dependencies?[11:18:43] <arfonzo> i am using no deps[11:18:55] <arfonzo> ahoy jessicah! how is your poor laptop btw? did that ever get repaired?[11:19:12] <arfonzo> PulkoMandy: I'll try gperf_x86 now then?[11:19:15] <PulkoMandy> ok, that's expected then, it's up to you to make sure the deps are either installed with pkgman, or already built with haikuporter[11:19:22] <PulkoMandy> I think just gperf[11:19:29] <PulkoMandy> install it from pkgman, no need to rebuild it[11:19:38] <arfonzo> ok[11:20:08] <arfonzo> done, I'll re try the haikuwebkit build now[11:20:09] <arfonzo> thanks[11:22:53] *** nataraj has joined #haiku[11:25:09] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[11:26:28] *** Dicklas has quit IRC[11:27:15] *** Dicklas has joined #haiku[11:27:32] *** kkux has quit IRC[11:27:41] *** planktonizer has quit IRC[11:27:52] *** DonLiu has quit IRC[11:30:18] *** SonicX has quit IRC[11:30:55] *** planktonizer has joined #haiku[11:32:11] *** stargater has joined #haiku[11:35:14] <jessicah> arfonzo: yes, they replaced the SSD[11:35:19] <jessicah> got it back yesterday in fact[11:35:37] <arfonzo> ah fantastic, glad to hear.[11:36:07] <jessicah> yep[11:36:57] <jessicah> now just fighting with intel to convince them to update their shitty firmware[11:38:25] *** planktonizer has quit IRC[11:38:47] <jessicah> their response is basically "use a 3rd party boot manager"[11:40:24] *** planktonizer has joined #haiku[11:41:10] *** pdziepak has joined #haiku[11:47:56] *** umccullough has joined #haiku[11:50:11] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[11:53:25] <PulkoMandy> http://pulkomandy.tk/drop/bookmarkbar.png[11:53:33] <PulkoMandy> what do you think of that?[11:54:38] <jessicah> looks nice[11:54:44] <jessicah> omg, iRATE radio, hahahaha[11:54:47] <jessicah> what a blast from the past[11:55:26] <jessicah> one of the old devs for that is one of my best friends, works at mozilla now[11:55:58] <PulkoMandy> an Haiku client is on my TODO list... that is/was a nice project[11:56:05] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[11:56:50] <arfonzo> yeah, the bookmarkbar looks great[11:57:44] <PulkoMandy> I'm going to add icons to it, but that needs some refactoring to extract IconMenuItem from Tracker kit...[11:58:17] <PulkoMandy> also, it uses the items from the bookmarks folder, and there's no way of reordering or filtering them[11:58:30] <PulkoMandy> should we have a dedicated bookbark bar folder instead?[11:59:24] <nataraj> any chance for flash in webpositive?[11:59:59] <PulkoMandy> there is low interest on that[12:00:14] <PulkoMandy> we would need to port gnash, and add plug-in support to Web+[12:00:24] <nataraj> any other way to view yourtube videos?[12:00:31] <PulkoMandy> that works in the nightlies already[12:00:43] <PulkoMandy> (html5 video)[12:00:52] <jessicah> dedicated bookmark bar folder? how would that be different?[12:01:17] <PulkoMandy> jessicah: firefox has this I think, so you can have items in the bookmark menu that are not in the bookbark bar[12:01:55] <dnivra> I've written about my GSoC project on haiku-os.org: https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/dnivra/2014-04-24_gsoc_2014_haiku_arm_port. Comments and suggestions welcome![12:02:05] <roptat> hello![12:04:32] <roptat> how do you let the user rearrange items in the bookmark bar?[12:04:43] <jessicah> firefox isn't exactly a stellar UI to follow[12:04:50] <jessicah> but i get what you mean[12:05:06] <jessicah> seems like prolly a good idea[12:05:10] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[12:05:17] <PulkoMandy> roptat: currently, you can't[12:05:21] <nataraj> oh, a guy from India[12:05:40] <PulkoMandy> it just gets the items from the bookmark folder in whatever order BDirectory enumerates them[12:06:01] <PulkoMandy> (I think this is alphabetically sorted, folders first?)[12:11:57] *** goldencut has joined #haiku[12:21:05] <stargater> dnivra: di you make a full arm port , also haiku completly loaded ?[12:22:17] <dnivra> well that's the outcome I'm hoping for at the end of GSoC.[12:22:52] *** flos has quit IRC[12:25:01] <jessicah> lol stargater, you're a bit early with expectations, haha ;)[12:25:14] <stargater> dnivra: but haiku boot into a console are nice too[12:25:24] <jessicah> PulkoMandy: hmm, you might be able to encode order in attributes... heh[12:25:40] <jessicah> but that can get messy pretty quickly[12:26:05] <jessicah> or maybe a per-directory attribute...[12:28:53] <dnivra> stargater: console is also cool certainly. but then showing off the GUI does seem attractive :)[12:53:42] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[12:54:19] *** nataraj has quit IRC[12:58:08] <jessicah> choupy: are you around?[12:58:16] <jessicah> i've done a cleaned up branch of my EFI code[12:59:37] <jessicah> https://github.com/jessicah/haiku the branch is efi.gsoc[13:00:19] <jessicah> let me know if you have any issues[13:00:33] <jessicah> i'll probably delete my efi branch soon :)[13:04:24] *** kkux has joined #haiku[13:06:21] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[13:06:45] <choupy> hey! I just woke up, I'll look into it after breakfast[13:10:20] *** epigraph has joined #haiku[13:16:05] <jessicah> cool as :)[13:16:38] <jessicah> it'll prolly die if you actually have a haiku installation... i haven't tested it too much yet[13:22:03] <jessicah> cool, still finds a partition with the alpha image... that's good :p[13:22:20] <jessicah> haven't broken anything too major yet then with my new tree ;)[13:24:49] *** i336_ has quit IRC[13:31:33] *** Vidiot_X has quit IRC[13:34:32] *** soakbot has quit IRC[13:34:48] *** soakbot has joined #haiku[13:41:22] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[13:48:49] <roptat> does haiku provide a method to convert a BString (containing only numbers) into an int?[13:51:01] <jessicah> could do something like atoi(mystring()); i believe[13:51:10] <jessicah> don't believe BString provides that[13:51:14] <jessicah> or you could use the locale api[13:53:31] <jessicah> hmm, locale kit seems to only do opposite, turn into strings; my bad[13:54:13] <jessicah> mystring() returns a const char *, so any standard C functions should do the trick[13:54:56] *** DonLiu has joined #haiku[13:55:31] <roptat> ok[13:56:13] <PulkoMandy> Locale Kit should do it, but the API is still missing...[13:58:12] *** poxip has joined #haiku[13:58:25] *** stargater has quit IRC[14:05:08] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[14:16:05] *** KapiX has joined #haiku[14:19:50] *** The_Noz has joined #haiku[14:22:52] *** Nozy has quit IRC[14:28:44] <DonLiu> PulkoMandy， happy to see bookmark will come soon. I think it is better that the position of bookmark is customized. I want to put it under the url line.[14:29:30] <PulkoMandy> that would not match the current behavior (bookmark opens in new tabs if the current tab is not on the start page)[14:30:00] <PulkoMandy> but I'll think about that (and making it possible to hide it, too)[14:30:35] <DonLiu> and do you have a plan to add plugin function? may be we could just use firefox plugins.[14:30:55] <PulkoMandy> unlikely[14:31:03] <DonLiu> oh[14:31:18] <PulkoMandy> well, plug-ins are native code, so they'd at least need to be recompiled[14:31:39] <PulkoMandy> the API is the same in WebKit, but I'm not sure if that's enough to get them working[14:32:01] <PulkoMandy> anyway, it would not allow using a flash plug-in from linux or windows[14:32:14] <PulkoMandy> and there are not much interesting plugins that are open source...[14:33:11] <DonLiu> and a suggestion: I think it is better to place the new tab button '+' just next to the last tab. what do you think of it?[14:33:37] <DonLiu> ad block plugin is wanted，haha[14:34:10] <PulkoMandy> ad block is an extension, not a plugin, that's different[14:34:16] <irker-849> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev47163 [6 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=c161ea9+%5Ee08beeb[14:34:16] <irker-849> 4222656: Add a sniffing rule for XML.[14:34:17] <irker-849> 1cb5adb: TabManager: better delay detection for closing the menu.[14:34:17] <irker-849> 9f97d1c: Remove useless include.[14:34:18] <irker-849> 84da57f: MediaRoster: remove another message to app stdout.[14:34:18] <irker-849> 5328693: Move IconMenuItem.h to headers/private/tracker.[14:34:19] <irker-849> c161ea9: WebPositive: add a bookmark bar.[14:34:51] <DonLiu> oh ，I do not know that.[14:34:59] <PulkoMandy> as far as I know, WebKit itself doesn't handle extensions. So we have to find our own way to plug them[14:35:29] <PulkoMandy> I'll see what the other WebKit based browsers do for this, maybe we can make it not too hard to port AdBlock[14:35:43] <DonLiu> is it a big project?[14:35:49] <DonLiu> how soon?[14:37:00] <PulkoMandy> I don't know. That's why I need to look at what other ports do first[14:37:18] <PulkoMandy> but I think it is more important to fix the remaining crashes and rendering bugs first[14:37:51] <DonLiu> btw, you have done a good job. webpositive is good, especially could display CJK characters.[14:38:14] <DonLiu> yeah, I agree with you[14:38:42] <DonLiu> release a stable beta first.[14:39:10] *** goldencut has quit IRC[14:40:33] *** arroyoc has joined #haiku[14:41:57] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[14:44:02] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[14:46:49] *** arroyoc has quit IRC[14:55:42] *** KapiX has quit IRC[14:56:41] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[15:02:35] *** KapiX has joined #haiku[15:07:02] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[15:10:32] <roptat> When I use a BLayout, the background of my application becomes white. Is that normal?[15:12:29] <PulkoMandy> white is the default view color[15:12:46] <PulkoMandy> use SetViewColor(ui_color(B_PANEL_BACKGROUND_COLOR)) to get the default grey[15:13:45] <roptat> thank you[15:22:56] *** Yann64 has quit IRC[15:23:20] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[15:23:22] <Premislaus> hello[15:24:17] <Premislaus> GSOC students: Haiku - 4, Gnome - 39, KDE - 42...[15:26:18] <PulkoMandy> we asked for 4 and we got 4. Haiku isn't very popular so we didn't get as much applications as them[15:27:00] <Premislaus> Why not for more?[15:27:24] <jessicah> also need mentors[15:27:30] <jessicah> and solid project ideas[15:28:30] <PulkoMandy> Premislaus: we only had 4 good student proposals[15:29:03] <PulkoMandy> well, we had more, but on the same projects (we had only 12 proposals and 6 of them were on porting Go to Haiku)[15:30:19] <PulkoMandy> Our ideas were too short and not detailed this year. We did not spend enough time preparing them[15:30:37] <PulkoMandy> so the students were not sure where to start, and picked some project that looked easier instead[15:30:46] <PulkoMandy> next year we'll try to have a better ideas list[15:36:08] *** kkux has quit IRC[15:37:30] <mmu_man> better have 4 succeeding than 12 failing[15:39:41] <Premislaus> mmu_man: I do not want to criticize and spread defeatism... But ARM and Go?[15:41:37] <pdziepak> well, the point of gsoc is that students work on the project they find interesting, which is not necessarily what the organization needs most[15:53:46] <Not-001> [haikuports] korli pushed 4 commits to master [+3/-2/±2] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/commits/[15:53:49] <Not-001> [haikuports] KapiX ac0f50c - libwpd: updated recipe and version[15:53:51] <Not-001> [haikuports] KapiX 83eda78 - libwpg: updated recipe and version[15:53:54] <Not-001> [haikuports] KapiX 1442e45 - Added libvisio recipe + fixes for libwpd and libwpg * Added SHA-256 checksums * Set correct architectures[15:53:57] <Not-001> [haikuports] korli c2dd719 - Merged in KapiX/haikuports/libvisio (pull request #164) libvisio 0.0.31 + dependencies[15:57:54] *** Cld has joined #haiku[15:58:17] *** tqh2 has joined #haiku[16:00:30] *** SonicX has joined #haiku[16:00:34] *** tqh has quit IRC[16:00:35] <roptat> PulkoMandy, did you try my patch for openssl?[16:00:46] <PulkoMandy> actually, our GSoC ideas are not R1 things, this is on purpose[16:01:01] <PulkoMandy> we don't want to risk the R1 release in the hands of the students[16:01:20] <PulkoMandy> so we let them experiment with less essential parts of the system[16:01:26] <PulkoMandy> roptat: not yet, sorry[16:01:32] <PulkoMandy> I'll merge or comment it when I do :)[16:04:04] <mmu_man> Premislaus: well, Go is fashionable for the moment, and it seems to have some interesting features for best using SMP too[16:07:24] <PulkoMandy> these projects are also a good way to make Haiku more known[16:07:34] <PulkoMandy> and maybe get more students next year?[16:11:00] *** hamishm__ has joined #haiku[16:17:34] *** Hub_ has joined #haiku[16:23:53] *** Hub_ has quit IRC[16:24:10] *** Hub_ has joined #haiku[16:31:23] *** DonLiu has quit IRC[16:34:45] <BronzeBeard> look on the bright side, haiku got 4 gsoc, Ogre3d got 0, and there are probably more ogre users than haiku users ;)[16:37:08] *** _marc` has quit IRC[16:38:33] <umccullough> yes, gsoc doesn't generally have to do with how many users the project has[16:39:00] <BronzeBeard> point is, the people above should be happy you got any ;)[16:39:10] <umccullough> i didn't read the scrollback[16:39:19] <umccullough> but we could have had more if we wanted[16:39:24] <umccullough> we only asked for 4[16:39:51] <umccullough> we didn't get very many good proposals, sadly[16:39:57] <umccullough> *that* is probably due to the lack of users :D[16:39:58] <PulkoMandy> well, the "problem" is probably earlier in the chain - getting more proposals[16:40:10] <umccullough> right[16:40:25] <PulkoMandy> umccullough: I think it's not only that. our ideas were done in a rush and very short and imprecise[16:40:27] <umccullough> obviously projects like Gnome and KDE have a huge audience, and a lot of people who wants to improve it[16:40:35] <umccullough> maybe[16:40:39] <PulkoMandy> I think students skimming over the org list may skip us because of that[16:40:46] <umccullough> PulkoMandy, mostly it was a copy from last year's list ;)[16:41:08] <PulkoMandy> yes, and that one didn't get us selected in GSoC at all. We can do better :)[16:41:13] <umccullough> in any case, too many projects would overwhelm us, we're not that big an org[16:41:36] <umccullough> well... the idea list wasn't cited as a reason we didn't get selected last year[16:41:48] <umccullough> but we can always do better[16:42:20] <PulkoMandy> well, let's see if the news on ARM port, LibUSB and Go brings us some more users :)[16:45:47] <umccullough> i suspect ARM news will - if we get it working[16:47:04] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[16:47:10] *** ignacio|away is now known as ignacio|here[16:48:32] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[16:49:19] *** zz_NumberNoid is now known as NumberNoid[16:49:47] *** NumberNoid is now known as zz_NumberNoid[17:01:18] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[17:03:32] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[17:10:27] *** zz_NumberNoid is now known as NumberNoid[17:13:31] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[17:17:24] *** axeld has joined #haiku[17:17:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[17:22:32] *** jstressman has quit IRC[17:24:52] *** Martini_ has joined #haiku[17:25:41] *** darithorn has joined #haiku[17:44:20] *** freedomrun has joined #haiku[17:47:32] *** Hub_ has quit IRC[18:07:15] *** Jafura has quit IRC[18:12:35] *** fhein has joined #haiku[18:14:45] *** slubman has quit IRC[18:14:59] *** slubman has joined #haiku[18:47:41] *** Jafura has joined #haiku[18:51:42] *** Martini_ has quit IRC[18:57:35] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[19:03:15] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[19:12:08] *** confamuse has quit IRC[19:13:58] *** confamuse has joined #haiku[19:15:33] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[19:15:35] *** FreeFull has joined #haiku[19:19:42] *** paulivanov has joined #haiku[19:22:13] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[19:24:31] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[19:28:21] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[19:28:58] <Not-001> [haikuporter] zooey pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuporter/commits/[19:29:02] <Not-001> [haikuporter] zooey 13acea2 - Allow informational commands (e.g. --lint) to run on Linux. * Introduce support for shallow initialization to Main and BuildPlatform classes and make use of that for the informational commands.[19:31:38] *** jstressman has joined #haiku[19:37:32] *** Hub_ has joined #haiku[19:37:49] *** Miyu has joined #haiku[19:37:54] *** guillaum11 has joined #haiku[19:38:32] *** hackkitten has quit IRC[19:44:14] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[19:45:59] *** freedomrun has quit IRC[19:47:53] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[19:48:29] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[19:50:56] *** Hub_ has quit IRC[19:52:09] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[19:57:34] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[20:04:21] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[20:07:06] *** kkux has joined #haiku[20:19:01] <Not-001> [haikuporter] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuporter/commits/[20:19:04] <Not-001> [haikuporter] kallisti5 b80783d - lint: Accept full recipe name / version, or just name * If user specifies the full recipe name / version, we return a proper return code to detect issues.[20:21:02] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[20:21:31] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[20:27:26] <Not-001> [haikuporter] zooey pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuporter/commits/[20:27:30] <Not-001> [haikuporter] zooey 98cfa6f - Only require LICENSES_DIRECTORY when it is needed. * The only informational command that needs it is --lint.[20:27:32] <Not-001> [haikuporter] zooey 61b5c53 - On Unix, make sure TARGET_ARCHITECTURE is set.[20:29:24] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[20:30:55] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[20:31:30] <Not-001> [haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/commits/[20:31:32] <Not-001> [haikuports] korli b02b9ad - tree: added a new format recipe for version 1.7.0 * deleted old format recipe.[20:35:26] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[20:35:40] <Anarchos> how to share a partition between a real installation, and a vmware installation ?[20:37:03] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[20:37:09] *** humdinger has quit IRC[20:37:23] <mmu_man> https://pubs.vmware.com/vsphere-50/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.vmware.vsphere.storage.doc_50%2FGUID-9E206B41-4B2D-48F0-85A3-B8715D78E846.html[20:37:26] <mmu_man> map the raw partition ?[20:40:39] <umccullough> vmware allows you to specify a raw device as the disk in the VMX files - i assume that's what the above link demonstrates but i'm too lazy to look[20:45:31] <Anarchos> umccullough: the vmware is installed on win7 :)[20:46:11] <umccullough> yes, you can specify the raw device as D:\ or whatever too[20:46:36] <mmu_man> or as something like \\Partition2 or something alike[20:46:41] <umccullough> yeah[20:46:45] <Anarchos> umccullough: nice ! i will try that :)[20:46:48] <mmu_man> \\Physical0\Partition2 something like that[20:46:54] <mmu_man> can't recall the syntax[20:46:55] <umccullough> what mmu_man said, if it's not mounted[20:47:09] <umccullough> same syntax that dd for windows uses[20:47:15] <umccullough> it's been a while since i've done it[20:47:41] *** idefix_gromit has quit IRC[20:47:43] <mmu_man> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2108313/how-to-access-specific-raw-data-on-disk-from-java[20:49:27] <umccullough> there's also a way to create a vmdk file that points to a raw device - different than using the vmx[20:51:01] <umccullough> google is your friend :)[20:57:38] *** Jafura has quit IRC[20:58:15] *** luroh has joined #haiku[21:04:05] *** SonicX has quit IRC[21:04:23] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[21:04:39] *** _marc` has quit IRC[21:06:22] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[21:06:51] *** arfunzu has joined #haiku[21:07:46] *** arfonzo has quit IRC[21:09:29] *** wpsea has quit IRC[21:10:52] *** wpsea has joined #haiku[21:10:58] *** bedouin has quit IRC[21:11:13] *** bigbluehat has quit IRC[21:12:18] *** epigraph` has joined #haiku[21:12:19] *** epigraph has quit IRC[21:13:19] *** bedouin has joined #haiku[21:13:49] *** bigbluehat has joined #haiku[21:15:18] *** paulivanov has quit IRC[21:16:34] *** arfunzu is now known as arfonzo[21:29:04] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[21:31:48] <irker-849> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev47164 [10 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=60370b9+%5Ec161ea9[21:31:48] <irker-849> a631719: BButton style fixes[21:31:49] <irker-849> cb30cf1: BMenu: style fixes[21:31:49] <irker-849> b7096fd: BMenu: remove useless default case[21:31:50] <irker-849> ca6cc0a: BMenu: Replace min_c and max_c[21:31:50] <irker-849> c884d01: BMenuBar style fixes[21:31:51] <irker-849> 58a3b20: BMenuField: style fixes[21:31:51] <irker-849> d055b93: BMenuField: Replace 5 with DefaultLabelSpacing()[21:31:52] <irker-849> c79f260: BMenuField: Check if menuBar is NULL explicitly[21:31:52] <irker-849> b11edca: BTextControl: style fixes[21:31:53] <irker-849> ...[21:34:51] *** nighty-_ has quit IRC[21:38:25] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[21:42:19] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[21:43:24] <Skipp_OSX> all that does absolutely nothing, just clearing cobwebs[21:43:35] <Skipp_OSX> well, close to nothing anyway[21:53:19] *** fhein has quit IRC[21:55:51] *** hamishm__ has quit IRC[22:02:35] <Premislaus> http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku-development/Switch-to-Clang-or-GCC-49,18[22:07:29] *** stargater has joined #haiku[22:13:23] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[22:14:33] *** tqh2 has quit IRC[22:14:41] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[22:15:12] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[22:15:17] *** i336_ has joined #haiku[22:15:29] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[22:15:55] *** tqh has joined #haiku[22:17:55] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[22:21:58] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:23:10] *** paulivanov has joined #haiku[22:28:18] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[22:29:46] *** tqh has joined #haiku[22:29:47] *** useragent has joined #haiku[22:38:08] *** jua_ has quit IRC[22:39:57] *** useragent has quit IRC[22:45:56] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:46:31] <Premislaus> http://translate.google.pl/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fhaiku-os.pl%2Fnode%2F4&edit-text=[22:46:45] <Premislaus> 10 years, nothing has changed[22:48:00] *** zulu has joined #haiku[22:48:04] <umccullough> well, rudolf left to pursue other things[22:48:10] <umccullough> otherwise, i beleive he would have done what he said[22:48:51] <umccullough> he was a brilliant graphics driver dev[22:50:20] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[22:51:00] <PulkoMandy> I woukdn't say nothing has changed, we have Mesa 10.1 with llvm rendering[22:51:19] <PulkoMandy> and many, many other things changed in Haiku since 2004[22:51:28] <PulkoMandy> we weren't even providing nightlies in 2004[22:51:51] <PulkoMandy> people easily forget how much work was accomplished in 10 years :)[22:52:01] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[22:52:13] *** Jafura has joined #haiku[22:52:35] <Anarchos> umccullough: rudolf cornelissen ? What a lost :([22:52:36] <Premislaus> PulkoMandy: In official version of Haiku - Mesa 7.9.2 ;)[22:52:41] <PulkoMandy> no[22:52:49] <PulkoMandy> the official version is gcc2***HYBRID***[22:52:57] <PulkoMandy> and the gcc4 part has the latest version of mesa[22:53:13] <zulu> Hello. I have a question about the 3dmix app. Is this runnable on haiku?[22:53:21] <irker-849> haiku.master: jessicah * hrev47165 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=d154bfb+%5E60370b9[22:53:22] <irker-849> d154bfb: Fix 64-bit build. Thanks umccullough![22:54:16] *** tqh has joined #haiku[22:54:16] <Anarchos> zulu: it should ...[22:54:19] <Premislaus> PulkoMandy: a no acceleration for a whole system, because is gcc2 eg. media server[22:54:25] <Premislaus> *and no[22:54:30] <PulkoMandy> ?[22:54:49] <PulkoMandy> I don't see any link between media server and Mesa...[22:54:56] <bbjimmy> 3dmix seems to run ok[22:55:14] <Premislaus> PulkoMandy: VA API[22:55:43] <PulkoMandy> I don't understand[22:56:07] <Premislaus> Athlon 3500+ Radeon HD 5450 = full hd movies on Windows and Linux[22:56:10] <Premislaus> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Acceleration_API[22:56:18] <Premislaus> MediaPlayer is gcc2 or gcc4?[22:56:22] *** zulu has quit IRC[22:58:01] <PulkoMandy> currently it's gcc2, but we could change that[22:58:12] <Not-001> [haikuporter] zooey pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuporter/commits/[22:58:15] <Not-001> [haikuporter] zooey a7a38f1 - Minor cleanup: avoid use of os._exit(). * os._exit() doesn't invoked cleanup handlers, so it should be avoided. * Additionally, replace invocations of sys.exit() by return as the former doesn't seem to yield a exit code of 0.[22:58:19] <PulkoMandy> and video acceleration doesn't use OpenGL.[22:58:45] <PulkoMandy> we will probably experiment with this on ARM devices first, because it's more open source friendly and a bit simpler architecture[22:59:09] <Premislaus> Then what will be in gcc2?[22:59:10] <PulkoMandy> but it's not at all a problem of gcc2. What it needs is allocating large memory buffers in kernel to do DMA with the hardware[22:59:43] <PulkoMandy> well you know my thinking on that. Let's release R1 with gcc2 as soon as possible, and then switch to gcc4[22:59:47] <Premislaus> "currently it's gcc2, but we could change that" - why not default system? http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku-development/Switch-to-Clang-or-GCC-49,18[22:59:54] <PulkoMandy> this is a good motivation factor for getting R1 done[23:00:12] <PulkoMandy> if we start switching compilers, drop compatibility and start adding new features, R1 will never be released[23:00:18] <PulkoMandy> not 5 years, not 10, never.[23:00:18] <Premislaus> alpha5 is upcoming, not beta :/[23:00:23] <PulkoMandy> people will get bored and quit[23:00:42] <PulkoMandy> yes, I know, I was pushing for beta, but people don't want to do it[23:01:01] <PulkoMandy> and I don't know enough about kernel-side things to fix the remaining bugs[23:01:33] <Premislaus> And how many years we will wait for R2?[23:02:15] <PulkoMandy> I don't know, we don't have a planning for R2 :([23:02:19] <PulkoMandy> I hope not as much[23:03:52] *** 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needed to enable some of the VT-x type features in their bios to get better speed[23:11:31] <TCH_haiku> i run this on default parameters, just to test the os[23:11:48] <TCH_haiku> mostly works[23:12:39] <TCH_haiku> no flash, no audio and did not support the gpt disk initalization, screwed up the whole disk[23:12:49] <TCH_haiku> worked with intel or raw[23:13:04] <jessicah> yeah, gpt needs some work[23:13:38] <TCH_haiku> the media player works perfectly, it plays mp4 both audio and video (i see on the volume bars, it plays audio)[23:13:49] <jessicah> audio is probably just a matter of changing the emulated hardware[23:14:16] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[23:14:17] <jessicah> latest nightlies support html5 audio/video as well[23:14:40] <TCH_haiku> it is the latest nightly build[23:15:12] <TCH_haiku> webpositive is total useless, scraps up any url with .php, it goes as .php/[23:15:19] <TCH_haiku> qupzilla is working well[23:15:19] <irker-849> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev47166 [1 commit] 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can't have everything perfect from the start ;)[23:21:47] <TCH_haiku> thats true[23:22:30] <jessicah> as long as you can get the stuff you want done, done, that's progress :)[23:23:14] <TCH_haiku> thats true either, but i still think that conception should be rethinked[23:23:37] <jessicah> there's also ctrl+alt+del to kill tasks[23:23:51] <jessicah> and i'm fairly certain the vulcan death grip still works too[23:23:55] <jessicah> i haven't tried that in a while[23:24:05] <TCH_haiku> i see[23:24:15] <TCH_haiku> whats vulcan death grip?[23:25:25] <jessicah> hmm, maybe it doesn't work...[23:26:10] <jessicah> it's supposed to be right-ctrl+alt+shift click on a tracker entry to kill an app[23:26:11] <Skipp_OSX> Command+Control+Shift click an app in Deskbar to quit it[23:26:33] <TCH_haiku> ah i see[23:26:34] <jessicah> but doesn't work for me[23:26:48] <TCH_haiku> by command you mean the meta key right?[23:26:54] <TCH_haiku> this is a pc keyboard[23:27:00] <Skipp_OSX> it works[23:27:12] <jessicah> has it changed?[23:27:21] <Skipp_OSX> command is alt on a PC keyboard, option on a Mac keyboard[23:27:41] <Skipp_OSX> (I'm guessing you're on a PC keyboard)[23:28:00] <luroh> audio in vmware needs an opensound driver and es1371 emulation[23:28:18] <jessicah> huh, it only works with left[23:28:24] <jessicah> doesn't work at all with right, at least here[23:28:37] <luroh> (and last i checked, oss hadn't been updated to work with PM)[23:29:08] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:29:16] <TCH_haiku> it works, yes alt is the command on pc[23:29:35] <TCH_haiku> haiku recognize my sound card in vmware[23:29:40] <TCH_haiku> ES1371 / Creative Labs CT2518 [AudioPCI-97][23:29:45] <TCH_haiku> but still no sound[23:30:35] *** pfoetche1 has quit IRC[23:30:43] <luroh> right, you'd need the oss drivers for that[23:30:57] <TCH_haiku> this is weird[23:31:03] <TCH_haiku> i tried haiku years ago[23:31:08] <TCH_haiku> with this sound card[23:31:14] <TCH_haiku> and then it was working[23:31:39] <TCH_haiku> i 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