April 20, 2014 
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April 20, 2014 [00:00:15] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[00:00:45] <PulkoMandy> and that's enough for today[00:00:47] <PulkoMandy> night![00:00:53] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[00:00:56] *** rdmr has quit IRC[00:03:38] *** [JJ]Albert has joined #haiku[00:06:26] <roptat> sorry, wget issue wasn’t fixed at all…[00:07:18] *** stpere has quit IRC[00:07:31] <roptat> It came only from a config file I wrote before updating the recipe[00:11:23] *** Muzer has quit IRC[00:14:00] *** cnuke has joined #haiku[00:15:33] *** Muzer has joined #haiku[00:26:46] *** kcj has joined #haiku[00:27:31] <irker-367> haiku.master: zooey * hrev47139 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=94089b9+%5E8116f47[00:27:31] <irker-367> 94089b9: Revert 6f68e52 and fix the gcc2 build via template.[00:29:39] *** DKnoto has joined #haiku[00:34:36] <louisdem> Can anyone give these two tickets some love? https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/5588 & https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/1051[00:40:17] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[00:42:06] <jessicah> louisdem: comment says it's kinda obsolete[00:42:11] <jessicah> what's it supposed to do?[00:44:26] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[00:45:40] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[00:47:27] <Anarchos> hi jessicah[00:47:45] <jessicah> hi Anarchos[00:52:04] <louisdem> maybe close 1051 and then review 5588, jessicah[00:52:21] <louisdem> sorry for the delay[01:17:31] *** NumberNoid is now known as zz_NumberNoid[01:18:50] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[01:28:54] *** Xenmen has joined #haiku[01:32:08] *** PasNox has quit IRC[01:35:04] *** nighty-_ has quit IRC[01:35:29] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[01:37:46] <heoyea> how u get the openssh daemon to start? tryed $ /boot/system/bin/sshd ; getting this msg "Privilege separation user sshd does not exist"[01:38:59] <heoyea> im using the nightly build version[01:39:41] *** jua_ has quit IRC[01:44:49] *** kkux has quit IRC[01:45:00] *** kkux has joined #haiku[01:55:12] *** KapiX_ has left #haiku[01:58:23] *** louisdem has quit IRC[02:06:46] <BitPuffin> is there a way to get thread local storage without using POSIX API?[02:27:08] <mmu_man> BitPuffin: there are native TLS calls[02:27:43] <mmu_man> http://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/TheSupportKit_TLS.html[02:31:46] <BitPuffin> mmu_man: aha![02:33:07] <BitPuffin> mmu_man: well the __thread keyword in C get a real TLS variable though?[02:33:11] <BitPuffin> I mean from the GCC port[02:33:28] <mmu_man> never used this thing[02:33:33] <mmu_man> it's quite new, probably untested[02:33:34] <BitPuffin> ah[02:33:47] <BitPuffin> the C thing or the thing in the bebook?[02:34:00] <mmu_man> the gcc thing[02:34:10] <mmu_man> I think it comes from the Itanium ABI[02:35:03] <mmu_man> zz[02:35:22] <BitPuffin> the Itanium ABI?[02:35:42] <BitPuffin> well you don't know if it's supported in haiku yet then[02:37:43] <mmu_man> I've seen commits about it, but I don't know[02:37:50] <mmu_man> n8[02:37:56] <BitPuffin> ah, in haiku?[02:38:02] <BitPuffin> gnight![02:38:15] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[02:40:26] <BitPuffin> ah intel Itanium[02:42:23] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:51:30] *** kcj has quit IRC[03:00:17] *** epigraph has quit IRC[03:00:25] *** kcj has joined #haiku[03:21:03] *** subcritical has quit IRC[04:01:18] *** geist has quit IRC[04:15:01] *** pdziepak has quit IRC[04:15:31] *** kcj has quit IRC[04:17:20] *** geist has joined #haiku[04:17:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o geist[04:31:10] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[04:33:00] *** _3dEyes has joined #haiku[04:36:15] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[04:36:34] *** kcj has joined #haiku[05:05:28] *** _marc` has quit IRC[05:16:44] *** FreemanLou_ has quit IRC[05:18:34] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[05:21:49] <jessicah> heoyea: you need to set a passwd iirc[05:27:40] <heoyea> jessicah: yea i already set a password[05:35:15] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[05:41:14] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[05:56:57] *** stpere has joined #haiku[06:09:09] *** kkux has quit IRC[06:10:43] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[06:10:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[06:39:05] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[06:39:39] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[06:48:58] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[06:49:33] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[06:51:22] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[06:54:25] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[06:58:32] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[07:15:25] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[07:47:29] *** DKnoto has joined #haiku[08:09:05] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[08:10:21] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[08:11:53] *** narendraj9 has joined #haiku[08:19:21] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[08:21:50] *** Vidiot_X has joined #haiku[08:26:20] *** endomancer has joined #haiku[08:26:37] *** alpha123 has quit IRC[08:28:32] *** alpha123 has joined #haiku[08:29:28] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[08:31:12] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[08:31:31] *** orealis has quit IRC[08:32:15] *** orealis has joined #haiku[08:33:57] *** jessicah has quit IRC[08:34:38] *** jessicah has joined #haiku[08:35:11] *** fhein has joined #haiku[08:37:56] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[08:43:16] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[08:49:53] *** louisdem has joined #haiku[08:52:13] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[08:54:32] *** Diver1 has joined #haiku[08:55:09] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[08:55:39] *** Diver has quit IRC[08:57:37] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[09:08:08] *** narendraj9 has quit IRC[09:09:51] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[09:15:37] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[09:16:59] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[09:26:15] *** narendraj9 has joined #haiku[09:28:48] *** gnoll has joined #haiku[09:28:54] <gnoll> hello[09:29:20] <gnoll> where are screenshots of Haiku in action ?[09:29:43] <humdinger> hi gnoll.[09:30:00] <PulkoMandy> there is a screenshoot tour on the website[09:30:02] <humdinger> from the front page: http://www.haiku-os.org/slideshows/haiku-tour[09:31:30] <humdinger> Morning PulkoMandy! Taking a break from webkit? :)[09:31:49] <gnoll> thanks[09:33:05] <humdinger> enjoy gnoll :)[09:34:13] <PulkoMandy> humdinger: yes :)[09:34:22] <PulkoMandy> doing some work on the ARM port for a change[09:34:25] <gnoll> These screenshots look cool , just like BeOS in it's days. I ran a BeOS Preview Release on my Mac back in '97. I still have the original disk here :)[09:35:02] <PulkoMandy> trying to get qemu compiled on a gcc2hybrid, should have a package up today[09:35:11] <gnoll> Back then it ran on the PowerPC architecture & not on x86[09:35:38] <humdinger> gnoll: I know. I waited for R3 to get into BeOS on x86 :)[09:36:13] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: great! more packages \o/[09:36:28] <gnoll> Can i run the Haiku on a Virtualized environement ?[09:36:43] <humdinger> yes. check out the Haiku Guides.[09:36:49] *** TheHitMan has joined #haiku[09:36:58] <gnoll> i will, thanks again[09:37:06] <humdinger> you're welcome![09:40:09] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[09:40:37] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[09:47:02] <irker-367> haiku.master: bonefish * hrev47140 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=6cf0a86+%5E94089b9[09:47:03] <irker-367> 6cf0a86: findpaths: Add missing --list long option[09:51:55] *** auronandace has quit IRC[09:52:36] *** louisdem has quit IRC[09:56:09] *** ifrit is now known as neuro_syts[09:56:11] *** neuro_syts is now known as neuro_sys[09:58:11] *** auronandace has joined #haiku[10:05:45] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[10:10:07] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[10:21:44] *** humdinger has quit IRC[10:26:30] <roptat> hello, my fix last night was not good, I made a new pull request in bitbucket[10:27:58] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[10:32:14] *** freedomrun has joined #haiku[10:42:58] *** endomancer has quit IRC[10:43:48] <PulkoMandy> roptat: I saw a lot of merge commits in your previous one[10:43:58] <PulkoMandy> would be nice if you rebase your changes instead of merging[10:45:57] <roptat> how do you do that ?[10:46:11] <roptat> I don't know a lot about git[10:46:33] <PulkoMandy> use git pull --rebase instead of git pull[10:47:36] <roptat> I was doing 'sync' from the website[10:48:22] <PulkoMandy> mh, ok[10:49:17] <roptat> So I need my local git repo to be a clone of haikuporter's and commit to my repo ?[10:51:29] <PulkoMandy> you'd need your repo to have both your bitbucket fork and the main repo in it for that to work, or use branches[10:51:40] <PulkoMandy> well, we should fix bitbucket or use something else, anyway[10:52:09] <PulkoMandy> I didn't know the sync button was doing that[10:52:43] *** soakbot has quit IRC[10:52:51] *** Diver1 has quit IRC[10:52:59] *** soakbot has joined #haiku[10:53:07] *** Diver has joined #haiku[10:58:55] *** pemdp has joined #haiku[10:59:57] <pemdp> hello[11:03:47] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[11:04:15] *** HaikuUser is now known as DiverHQ[11:08:27] *** SonicX has quit IRC[11:09:14] *** narendraj9 has quit IRC[11:12:27] *** zeusk has joined #haiku[11:12:31] <zeusk> hi[11:13:01] <PulkoMandy> hi[11:13:26] <irker-367> haiku.master: bonefish * hrev47141 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=933e7b3+%5E6cf0a86[11:13:27] <irker-367> 273763d: package daemon: Move Volume::State to top level[11:13:27] <irker-367> 933e7b3: Move Volume::CommitTransactionHandler to top level[11:14:14] *** nighty-_ has joined #haiku[11:16:54] <pemdp> PulkoMandy, do you have any tips of how to start playing with the arm bootloader?[11:17:13] <PulkoMandy> currently it's not building[11:17:30] <PulkoMandy> but you can start playing with the bootstrap process and try to get gcc properly compiled[11:17:31] <pemdp> I have built u-boot for the versatilepb, but I cannot get any output on qemu...[11:17:40] <PulkoMandy> https://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/PackageManagement/Bootstrapping[11:20:24] <pemdp> I have tried one week ago but the process failed. Is there currently any target that finishes successfully?[11:22:10] <pemdp> sorry, I have not read your last sentence. It is broken now.[11:22:56] <PulkoMandy> yes, it's broken :([11:23:06] <PulkoMandy> I'm trying to fix that...[11:23:29] <PulkoMandy> I can't help you with qemu yet - trying to get it built on haiku[11:25:33] <zeusk> pemdp, what are you looking at for output ?[11:26:28] <pemdp> I was trying to boot u-boot first to have a console from where I could call an os bootloader like the haiku loader.[11:26:53] <pemdp> unfortunately I am not even getting that first step yet[11:27:58] <pemdp> I would like to help porting haiku to the arm chromebook. It has a u-boot bootloader that can load binaries from a partition on an sdcard or an USB pen.[11:28:45] <zeusk> 1) are you using u-boot under qemu or on your chromebook ?[11:30:03] <pemdp> First I played around with the chromebook to undestand its boot process. For development I thought that qemu would be more pratical, so I would like to setup an emulated environment.[11:30:54] <pemdp> versatilepb seamed to be a good target as it also boots from u-boot.[11:31:55] <zeusk> I'm asking you if you used haiku loader or u-boot on your chromebook or were you using them under qemu ?[11:32:11] <pemdp> just u-boot[11:32:29] <zeusk> yeah, u-boot was running on chromebook or on qemu ?[11:32:31] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[11:32:39] <pemdp> chromebook[11:33:20] <zeusk> If it's one of the new A-15 based, you could use coresight debugger[11:34:17] <PulkoMandy> but qemu is a good idea anyway. I think a good start would be to get u-boot running on the beagleboard or verdex targets for qemu, because these already have some support in Haiku[11:34:27] <PulkoMandy> and maybe try a chromebook target later, once you have these working[11:34:55] <pemdp> I'll check the beagleboard then[11:35:52] <zeusk> versatilepb is the best bet, the state of xscale (verdex) emulation under qemu wasn't quite good.[11:36:05] *** epigraph has joined #haiku[11:43:03] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[11:52:19] <zeusk> PulkoMandy, I looked at freebsd's stdatomic.c, They seem to be using userspace helper functions at static address as well.[11:52:43] <zeusk> I was advised against such implementation when I was implementing a patch for my gsoc application.[11:53:36] <PulkoMandy> mh... I didn't read the code too closely yesterday, didn't notice that[11:53:38] *** DiverHQ has quit IRC[11:54:35] <irker-367> haiku.master: bonefish * hrev47142 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=8c6e1bf+%5E933e7b3[11:54:35] <irker-367> 8c6e1bf: package daemon: Sever Volume-CommitTransactionHandler friendship[11:55:02] <PulkoMandy> at least the sync_val_compare_and_swap implementations look like all done in asm to me[11:56:10] <zeusk> look at !KERNEL part[11:56:54] <zeusk> asm is only when that header is included as part of kernel. libgcc which is missing atomics for haiku is not part of the kernel.[11:57:52] <zeusk> the trap functions use asm as well though[11:57:54] <PulkoMandy> the sync_val_compare_and_swap at line 491 is in the !kernel block, right?[11:59:10] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[11:59:49] *** HaikuUser has left #haiku[12:00:11] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[12:02:02] <zeusk> that is for ARM6+ only, my patch supports ARM5 and lower as well[12:04:11] *** epigraph has quit IRC[12:04:17] <PulkoMandy> right. but I'm not sure we have any use of running on ARMv5...[12:09:20] <PulkoMandy> ok, added a comment to the ticket to clarify this[12:09:29] <zeusk> verdex is ARMv5[12:10:07] <zeusk> also, it doesn't use syscall[12:10:13] <zeusk> it uses trap functions[12:10:23] *** zz_NumberNoid is now known as NumberNoid[12:11:03] <PulkoMandy> yes, I know verdex is ARMv5, but I still don't think it's worth supporting it[12:12:17] <PulkoMandy> the only reason we have a verdex port is because back in 2006 QEmu ARMv6+ support wasn't complete[12:12:30] <PulkoMandy> now it is, so I think the ARMv5 support is only a waste of time[12:12:39] <PulkoMandy> we don't even have matching hardware, I think[12:13:01] <geist> not worth it[12:13:18] <geist> armv7+ only worth it[12:14:09] <zeusk> imo v6 is worth as well[12:14:18] <geist> negative[12:14:28] <zeusk> why not ?[12:14:30] <geist> *only* reason anyone cares at all is the raspberry pi[12:14:49] <geist> and the only reason that even exists is it was the cheapest possible cpu you could get that could run linux decently[12:15:04] <zeusk> yes and some boards I have lying around already[12:15:08] <geist> armv6 is about 10 years old at this point[12:15:27] <geist> v7 is substantially cleaner[12:15:30] <zeusk> but is almost at par with armv7 as far as ISA compatibility is concerned[12:15:37] <pemdp> raspberry pi has a large user base[12:15:52] <geist> yeah but it'll run haiku like crap, so i see little reason to bother with it[12:16:00] <zeusk> Hmm[12:16:16] <geist> it's a slow, 10 year old cpu. it's only value is that it's cheap[12:16:30] <geist> and one could argue has a reasoanbly powerful media processor on it[12:16:53] <geist> which is basically what it is. it's broadcomms media cpu + an old cheapo arm core attached to the side to drive it[12:17:21] <geist> but.... v6 is still dramatically better to support than v5[12:17:27] <zeusk> and the gpu doesn't have documentation as well afaik.[12:17:58] <geist> at least most of the v6 cores are physically tagged caches and can run multiple address space systems with a reasonable amount of efficiency[12:18:45] <geist> that was the main great leap forward that v6 had, it made arm usable for generic kernels[12:19:03] <pemdp> I'm interested on the A15 so v7 is fine by me. :-)[12:19:20] <geist> yeah, a15 is nice. my arm chromebook is quite fast, all in all[12:19:38] <geist> i ran some benchmarks on it and it's in the > atom, < core2 class core[12:19:51] <pemdp> and the guys that are reverse engineering the mali are doing a great job[12:20:32] <PulkoMandy> also the Pi doesn't make a good desktop computer[12:20:33] <zeusk> the only major instruction that is missing from v6 imo is msr/mrs[12:20:45] <zeusk> It does make a good hacking computer[12:20:49] <PulkoMandy> when you add a case, mass storage, usb hub, etc... you can get a v7 device with more features for the same price[12:20:59] <zeusk> or putting it in a better way, computer for hacking OS[12:21:04] <geist> and srs and rfe and movw and movt[12:21:06] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[12:21:13] <geist> msr/mrs is totally there in v6[12:21:14] <zeusk> srs and rfe aren't worth it imo[12:21:20] <zeusk> http://www.keil.com/support/man/docs/armasmref/armasmref_Cjafgdih.htm[12:21:25] <geist> they're very much worth it. very very nice[12:21:27] <zeusk> says they were introduced in 7[12:21:35] <geist> exactly, that's what i mean[12:21:59] <PulkoMandy> zeusk: all you need is a serial port for that :)[12:22:08] <zeusk> for ?[12:22:18] <PulkoMandy> hacking OS stuff[12:22:23] <geist> for hacking os, qemu is great[12:22:27] <zeusk> yes[12:22:35] <zeusk> or the htc HD2[12:22:42] <geist> you dont have to screw around for all the detailed junk you usually have to do to get the SoC up and running[12:23:16] <zeusk> we have our own software running on the dsp and radio helping us debug the apps processor which is quite powerful scorpion core (ARMv7).[12:23:22] <geist> https://github.com/travisg/lk/blob/master/arch/arm/arm/exceptions.S#L30[12:23:29] <geist> srs cleans up the exception state save a lot[12:23:47] <geist> the previous, standard code you had to deal with prior to srs is super annoying[12:23:55] <zeusk> only when you want to save state and switch to other mode for processing[12:24:09] <geist> which you almost always want to do on Big OSes[12:24:49] <zeusk> imo hardware IRQs should not be recursive, tail chaining is way better.[12:25:29] <geist> depends on how the kernel is written. something like haiku will definitely stack[12:25:33] <geist> or linux[12:25:43] <zeusk> as for syscall, it can be implemented easily without srs and rfe as well, all you need to do is save r14, spsr and switch to sys mode and modify ABI in a way to allow a few scratch registers in swi handler[12:26:00] <geist> or use ss[12:26:00] <geist> srs[12:26:24] <geist> but anyway, it's irrelevant. srs is present on v6+, and as long as you're not using v5 or below, it's there[12:26:45] <zeusk> Hmm[12:29:30] <geist> user space wise, v7 arm isn't much different. mainly you get movw/movt which saves a lot of PC relative loads for getting 32bit constants into registers[12:29:42] <geist> and of course thumb2 which is generally a pretty large win[12:30:12] <geist> system mode though v7 standardizes a lot of stuff like cache maintenance and cleans up the mmu structures a bit, generally nicer[12:30:26] *** PasNox has quit IRC[12:30:36] <zeusk> yeah, v7 mmu implementation is way better.[12:31:48] *** freedomrun has quit IRC[12:32:02] <geist> ooooh and you get div instruction on some cores[12:32:16] <zeusk> wrote these in 2 min, and imo they are better than using srs/rfe http://pastebin.com/gqyBGivE[12:32:23] <zeusk> only on -7M afaik[12:32:32] <zeusk> and the A15s ?[12:33:19] <geist> a15 and i think the a5 or a7[12:33:23] <geist> basically all the newer cores[12:34:06] *** kkux has joined #haiku[12:34:13] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[12:36:01] <zeusk> hmm, yeah[12:36:37] <zeusk> v7s (a5, a7, a12, a15), v7R and v7M[12:37:01] <geist> of course makes yet another compatibiity problem[12:37:26] <geist> like having neon or not (was optional on a9, and at least one soc vendor made a non neon a9)[12:37:29] <zeusk> and another instruction to emulate[12:38:31] <zeusk> is there a way under linux or haiku for applications to check which arch version they're running on ?[12:38:50] <geist> i'm sure there is[12:39:50] *** don has joined #haiku[12:40:14] *** don is now known as Guest53160[12:40:48] <zeusk> quick google returns nothing[12:41:09] <zeusk> apart from going through /proc/cpuinfo[12:41:42] <Guest53160> hello everyone! I want to download haikuports from https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports.git. I can open this web page, but the downloads never start.[12:42:03] <Guest53160> does anyone know why?[12:42:10] <geist> that's not really a web page[12:42:15] <geist> you have to sync with a git client[12:42:32] <zeusk> you could use the zip download and unpack[12:42:32] <geist> git clone https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports.git[12:42:45] <geist> should do it, assuming thats what you wanted[12:43:02] <Guest53160> yeah, I know. I use this clone command in haiku, but I can not download too[12:43:31] <zeusk> Download this: https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/get/6245c4d841f3.zip[12:43:34] <zeusk> and unpack[12:43:46] <zeusk> but then I'm not sure if it includes .git under the directory[12:43:55] <zeusk> and you might have to add remote repo manually[12:44:01] <Guest53160> zeusk, can you download this zip file?[12:44:05] <zeusk> yes[12:44:39] <Guest53160> oh, may be it because the GFW. sigh[12:45:23] *** Guest53160 is now known as DonLiu[12:47:57] <zeusk> you could use VPN or would you like me to make a torrent of that zip ?[12:49:19] <DonLiu> oh , thank you very much. or you can email to donliucn at gmail dot com. very kind of you![12:49:53] <zeusk> will do :)[12:50:08] <DonLiu> Thanks a lot![12:51:40] <zeusk> sent[12:51:49] *** pemdp has quit IRC[12:52:43] <zeusk> note that the zip doesn't have a .git and will not track changes with local or remote changes[12:54:34] <DonLiu> ok, thanks.[12:54:35] *** PasNox has quit IRC[13:00:14] <Not-001> [haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 3 commits to master [+0/-0/±4] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/commits/[13:00:16] <Not-001> [haikuports] Adrien Destugues 8c940b3 - libffi: fix hybrid build.[13:00:20] <Not-001> [haikuports] Adrien Destugues 8e52e33 - glib2: make it build.[13:00:22] <Not-001> [haikuports] Adrien Destugues f8cbe86 - qemu: hybrid build support.[13:01:21] *** Vidiot_X has quit IRC[13:02:29] *** Wellenbrett has joined #haiku[13:10:33] *** DonLiu has quit IRC[13:10:45] *** Wellenbrett has left #haiku[13:14:47] *** poxip has joined #haiku[13:16:51] *** hackkitten has quit IRC[13:24:02] *** hackkitten has joined #haiku[13:24:58] *** stargater has joined #haiku[13:28:37] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[13:28:53] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[13:28:53] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[13:31:47] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[13:35:18] *** Cenbe has joined #haiku[13:36:56] *** PasNox has quit IRC[13:42:30] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[13:45:26] <irker-367> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev47143 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=69e44d4+%5E8c6e1bf[13:45:27] <irker-367> 69e44d4: Add qemu package with dependencies.[13:45:52] <PulkoMandy> ok, qemu running[13:45:59] <PulkoMandy> now to get an haiku image to feed to it...[13:47:05] *** PasNox has quit IRC[13:48:05] <auronandace> keep up the awesome work[13:51:02] <PulkoMandy> I have one day and a half left[13:51:05] <PulkoMandy> then back to webkit[13:52:22] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[14:12:27] *** kcj has quit IRC[14:12:53] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[14:23:10] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[14:31:24] *** stargater has quit IRC[14:33:05] *** zeusk has quit IRC[14:36:18] *** _marc` has quit IRC[14:36:21] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[14:43:59] *** gnoll has quit IRC[14:56:04] *** _3dEyes has quit IRC[15:14:06] <irker-367> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev47144 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=fd015f0+%5E69e44d4[15:14:07] <irker-367> fd015f0: Add several SDL games with their dependencies[15:45:22] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[15:54:02] *** kkux has quit IRC[16:08:19] *** poxip1 has joined #haiku[16:12:12] *** poxip has quit IRC[16:16:46] *** DonLiu has joined #haiku[16:18:24] *** DonLiu has quit IRC[16:36:04] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[16:55:44] *** pdziepak has joined #haiku[16:57:54] *** qNemo has joined #haiku[16:58:21] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[17:24:53] *** KapiX has joined #haiku[17:30:30] *** HAIKU-Buildbot has joined #haiku[17:41:14] *** Pistooli has joined #haiku[17:48:27] *** Pistooli has quit IRC[18:01:57] *** epigraph has joined #haiku[18:05:42] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[18:12:12] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[18:20:41] *** humdinger_ has joined #haiku[18:27:24] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[18:51:06] *** poxip has joined #haiku[18:51:15] *** humdinger_ is now known as humdinner[19:02:17] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[19:11:54] *** confamuse has quit IRC[19:12:17] *** jua_ has quit IRC[19:12:28] *** SonicX has joined #haiku[19:14:00] *** confamuse has joined #haiku[19:20:18] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[19:24:36] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[19:25:39] *** humdinner has quit IRC[19:39:31] *** nighty-_ has quit IRC[19:40:50] *** nighty-_ has joined #haiku[19:43:42] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[19:50:21] <roptat> jam does not want to build the image here :[19:50:23] <roptat> problem 1: nothing provides lib:libstdc++_x86>=r1~alpha4_pm_hrev47072-1 needed by glu_x86-9.0.0-3[19:52:14] <Not-001> [haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 3 commits to master [+2/-0/±3] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/commits/[19:52:18] <Not-001> [haikuports] Adrien Destugues 37e49ba - pixman: enable hybrid builds.[19:52:18] *** kkux has joined #haiku[19:52:20] <Not-001> [haikuports] Adrien Destugues f1b5a9f - Declare dependency on libstdc++ where needed.[19:52:23] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[19:52:24] <Not-001> [haikuports] Adrien Destugues f14057f - Add recipe for QEmu 2.0.0 * Does not include mmlr work on adding a native UI, uses SDL * Just get things to compile and run for now * Supports Cubieboard, unlike version 1.7.0.[20:00:44] *** guillaum1 has joined #haiku[20:01:00] <guillaum1> hi all[20:01:34] <guillaum1> The Jainja JVM (Java Virtual Machine) is publicly available for Haiku now[20:06:02] <PulkoMandy> no UI support? :([20:07:02] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[20:07:32] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[20:09:31] <guillaum1> PulkoMandy: I'm working on it. It should be available soon. I hesitate between libSDL (almost ready) or a pure native port for the graphics part (i.e use Haiku Graphics API directly)[20:12:27] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[20:13:58] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[20:14:05] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[20:14:12] <PulkoMandy> if you're just going to draw pixels, SDL is probably the simplest solution (unless you want to avoid the dependency)[20:20:32] *** IIsi50MHz has quit IRC[20:20:47] <guillaum1> PulkoMandy: yeah. I'm not sure the package management system is mature yet (is it ?). So I would prefer a solution which works for all Haiku version.[20:21:22] <PulkoMandy> package management is not released yet, but it's working well already[20:21:43] *** Wizard has joined #haiku[20:21:50] <PulkoMandy> anyway, you can still distribute a zip file for new haiku versions, as long as you don't try to change things in /boot/system (this is read only now)[20:22:09] <PulkoMandy> the UI code should be compatible between versions, we try to keep a stable[20:22:13] <PulkoMandy> ABI and API[20:22:18] *** Codora has quit IRC[20:22:34] <PulkoMandy> (if you follow the APIs available in BeOS, no problem. if you use things we added, these aren't frozen yet)[20:23:13] <guillaum1> PulkoMandy: Ok. Thanks for the infos ![20:23:26] *** Codora has joined #haiku[20:23:35] <PulkoMandy> we don't have much developers, I try to make them stay :)[20:23:43] <guillaum1> :-D[20:23:48] *** IIsi50MHz has joined #haiku[20:25:21] *** KapiX has quit IRC[20:28:32] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[20:31:12] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[20:32:33] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2548 of x86-FreeBSD-host is complete: Failure [failed [x86gcc2hybrid] @release-anyboot [x86gcc2hybrid] @release-vmware [x86gcc2hybrid] @release-cd [x86gcc2hybrid] @nightly-raw] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-FreeBSD-host/builds/2548 blamelist: Oliver Tappe <zooey at hirschkaefer dot de>, J?r?me Duval <jerome.duval at gmail dot com>, Jessica[20:32:33] <HAIKU-Buildbot> Hamilton <jessica.l.hamilton at gmail dot com>, PulkoMandy <pulkomandy at pulkomandy dot tk>, Pawel Dziepak <pdziepak at quarnos dot org>, Adrien Destugues <pulkomandy at pulkomandy dot tk>, Ingo Weinhold <ingo_weinhold at gmx dot de>[20:33:38] <waddlesplash> guillaum1: are you a Jainja developer? or a Haiku fan?[20:34:03] *** waddlesplash is now known as wadlspl[20:34:11] *** wadlspl is now known as waddlesplash[20:34:31] <guillaum1> wadlspl: both ! :-D[20:34:52] <waddlesplash> gah, quassel is messing messages up, back in 1min[20:35:06] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[20:35:47] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[20:36:40] <waddlesplash> guillaum1: oh, you're the creator of Jainja, I see[20:37:09] <waddlesplash> well, I suppose it doesn't run Eclipse at all yet?[20:37:17] <waddlesplash> or NetBeans for that matter?[20:40:27] <waddlesplash> guillaum1: well, anyway, you probably can ignore R1 alpha 4 now[20:40:40] <waddlesplash> just focus on the nightlies, nobody is caring about R1a4 anymore[20:40:44] <waddlesplash> it's been 2yrs now[20:40:45] <guillaum1> waddlesplash: alas no. It's more a Java ME JVM than a Java SE JVM.[20:40:45] <guillaum1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Platform,_Micro_Edition[20:40:54] <waddlesplash> ah, ok[20:41:10] <waddlesplash> do you have Swing support then?[20:41:39] <PulkoMandy> no, J2ME is the world of MIDP[20:41:58] <guillaum1> waddlesplash: the official UI are LWUIT and MIDP[20:42:05] <waddlesplash> ah, ok[20:42:17] <PulkoMandy> there are some not official ones as well[20:42:33] <PulkoMandy> I worked for the company running http://e-s-r.net/en/index.php before working for Haiku[20:42:49] <PulkoMandy> they have their own UI stuff and a few other things[20:43:54] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[20:44:04] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[20:44:04] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[20:44:22] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[20:44:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[20:44:37] <waddlesplash> guillaum1: have you tried it on a nightly?[20:47:24] <irker-367> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev47145 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=dcf0e44+%5Efd015f0[20:47:25] <irker-367> dcf0e44: Fix glu dependency to libstdc++.[20:59:48] <Not-001> [haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/commits/[20:59:50] <Not-001> [haikuports] Adrien Destugues 3974bda - glew: fix provides/requires.[21:02:52] <irker-367> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev47146 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=57fb066+%5Edcf0e44[21:02:52] <irker-367> 57fb066: Add glew_x86 package.[21:05:45] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[21:07:37] *** luroh has joined #haiku[21:13:17] <roptat> PulkoMandy: problem 1: nothing provides lib:libstdc++_x86>=r1~alpha4_pm_hrev47072-1 needed by mesa_x86-10.1.0-1[21:13:23] <roptat> while compiling haiku[21:14:08] <waddlesplash> roptat: "git pull" and compile again[21:14:11] <waddlesplash> roptat: he just pushed a fix[21:14:27] *** Wizard has quit IRC[21:15:04] <PulkoMandy> no[21:15:08] <PulkoMandy> fixed glu, not mesa[21:15:13] <PulkoMandy> rebuilding it...[21:15:50] *** Wizard has joined #haiku[21:18:09] <roptat> if I call BView::DrawBitmapAsync(BBitmap *, ...), can I delete the bitmap safely just after that ?[21:18:54] <PulkoMandy> yes, they are reference counted[21:21:48] <roptat> cool[21:32:16] <guillaum1> waddlesplash: yes I used haiku-hrev47114[21:41:35] *** Lynx__ has joined #haiku[21:49:08] <waddlesplash> ah, k[21:50:59] *** poxip has quit IRC[21:51:33] *** Lynx__ has quit IRC[22:03:41] *** TheHitMan has quit IRC[22:13:54] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[22:23:24] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[22:23:26] <Premislaus> hello[22:28:46] *** fhein has quit IRC[22:37:33] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[22:40:03] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[22:42:42] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[22:45:43] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[22:45:47] <irker-367> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev47147 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=bfcb022+%5E57fb066[22:45:48] <irker-367> bfcb022: Mesa_x86: fix libstdc++ dependency.[22:46:40] <PulkoMandy> roptat: should be ok now. sorry for the breakage[22:46:57] <roptat> ok, thanks[22:50:38] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[23:04:43] *** RichieB has joined #haiku[23:17:53] <Not-001> [haikuports] zooey pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±38] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/commits/[23:17:57] <Not-001> [haikuports] zooey b05040b - Adjust SRC_URLs to be able to populate mirror site. * Add SRC_FILENAME where no sensible filename can be produced by the SRC_URI alone. * Fix SRC_URI of ode-0.12[23:17:59] <Not-001> [haikuports] zooey f31617b - Adjust many more recipes to support mirror site. * Mostly added SRC_FILENAME where the automatic filename didn't make any sense.[23:25:43] *** SonicX has quit IRC[23:26:41] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[23:28:27] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[23:34:03] *** bbjimmy1 has joined #haiku[23:34:34] *** SonicX has joined #haiku[23:35:17] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[23:36:46] *** nighty-_ has quit IRC[23:37:20] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[23:43:35] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[23:53:48] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC