April 19, 2014 
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April 19, 2014 [00:00:24] *** PasNox has quit IRC[00:00:39] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[00:17:18] *** Vidiot_X has joined #haiku[00:32:04] *** NumberNoid is now known as zz_NumberNoid[01:03:37] *** jua_ has quit IRC[01:08:38] *** Cian has quit IRC[01:13:42] *** Cian has joined #haiku[01:14:10] *** Xenmen has quit IRC[01:14:43] *** Xenmen has joined #haiku[01:20:27] *** Cian has quit IRC[01:34:48] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[01:38:15] *** Sir_Designer is now known as Sir_Designer_[01:40:43] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[01:40:52] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[01:44:53] *** kkux has quit IRC[01:45:48] *** kkux has joined #haiku[01:50:03] *** stpere has joined #haiku[01:57:21] *** SonicX has quit IRC[02:00:42] *** kcj has quit IRC[02:19:54] *** bebop-haiku has left #haiku[02:36:45] *** kcj has joined #haiku[02:47:25] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[02:50:27] *** Vidiot_X has quit IRC[02:51:43] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[03:08:15] *** _3dEyes has joined #haiku[03:20:21] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[03:22:12] *** ASmith42 has joined #haiku[03:22:20] <ASmith42> Hello.[03:23:57] <ASmith42> I was in here about a week ago having some trouble with boot times in my VirtualBox set up. I just wanted to let everyone know it was my BIOS settings. 1) I didn't have Virtualization on and 2) I was using IDE instead of AHCI. I went from a full minute to less than 30 seconds.[03:24:44] <ASmith42> I R SMRT[03:25:46] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[03:27:55] <AlienSoldier> Bug or feature: Vision and Startup are still in my media pref mixed view but they don't "currently" play any sound. For example beshare is not listed there.[03:28:43] <AlienSoldier> *mixed view[03:28:52] <AlienSoldier> **mixer view[03:29:51] <ASmith42> I wish I knew.[03:30:53] *** stpere has quit IRC[03:31:55] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[03:33:01] <jessicah> ASmith42: good to hear :)[03:33:49] *** SonicX has joined #haiku[03:35:13] <ASmith42> Thank you for your help, jessicah :)[03:36:55] *** stpere has joined #haiku[03:36:58] <ASmith42> Oh, and by the way, there is a guide to set up Haiku in as a virtual machine on the web site, but it doesn't cover BIOS. I guess that is because it should be part of your VirtualBox/Server set up. :)[03:47:12] *** kkux has quit IRC[03:53:20] *** nighty-_ has quit IRC[03:55:17] *** ASmith42 has quit IRC[03:55:18] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[03:55:39] *** rvalles has quit IRC[03:59:36] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[03:59:53] *** vgezer has quit IRC[04:00:34] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[04:03:49] *** pdziepak has quit IRC[04:03:59] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[04:06:32] *** epigraph has quit IRC[04:09:30] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[04:11:59] *** rvalles has joined #haiku[04:12:50] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[04:13:01] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[04:22:49] *** freakazoid0223_ has joined #haiku[04:22:49] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[04:28:40] *** seekwill has left #haiku[04:58:12] <kallisti5> if anyone wants to see Web+ playing HTML5 video without booting into Haiku.. https://vimeo.com/92374726[04:59:00] <jessicah> can i play the vimeo in haiku? ;)[04:59:09] <kallisti5> you should be able to :-)[04:59:20] <kallisti5> the video is me watching some random vimeo video[04:59:27] <kallisti5> jessicah is so meta[04:59:37] <jessicah> i try :D[05:00:13] <jessicah> what you use to record it?[05:00:19] <kallisti5> virtualbox :-)[05:00:26] <jessicah> oh it has builtin recording?[05:00:39] <kallisti5> yeah, latest one does. Pretty much records in webm format[05:00:46] <kallisti5> which works well for throwing online[05:04:06] <jessicah> huh, neat. not too bad[05:04:29] <jessicah> i need a video of how far i got with efi then :p[05:04:42] <jessicah> oh, hmm, mebbe i can make an image of my usb[05:21:06] <confamuse> i got a couple of questions about haikuports[05:23:06] <confamuse> i'm using the latest nightly[05:24:03] <confamuse> and when i try and build dosbox with "haikuporter dosbox" i get a warning about the recipe being broken.[05:25:52] <confamuse> ive tried it with openjdk as well and again i'm told the recipe is broken.[05:26:20] <jessicah> perhaps it's broken[05:26:31] <jessicah> i don't know haikuporter at all well[05:26:42] <jessicah> and in some cases, you need to enable the secondary architecture as well[05:26:55] <jessicah> out of the box, it doesn't support compiling gcc4 apps on a gcc2h[05:27:03] <jessicah> look at the end of your haikuporter.conf file[05:28:07] *** Vidiot_X has joined #haiku[05:28:16] <confamuse> interesting.[05:28:33] <confamuse> yeah i tried editing the haikuporter.conf file and still no go[05:28:49] <jessicah> ah, i don't know then[05:28:50] <confamuse> but it looks like if i do "haikuporter dosbox_x86" it does do something[05:29:07] <jessicah> oh yeah, you do that if you want to build a gcc4 app on a gcc2h build[05:29:32] <confamuse> will it run on gcc2hybrid?[05:29:37] <jessicah> yeah[05:29:56] <jessicah> if it builds with haikuporter on a gcc2h build, it'll run on it[05:30:07] <confamuse> cool.[05:31:43] <confamuse> the weird thing is its building a bunch of stuff i thought i already had installed. like gcc[05:31:54] <jessicah> huh, the video recording thingy in vbox has some weird sync issues in the generated .webm file on windows[05:32:17] <jessicah> confamuse: try pass --no-dependencies[05:32:29] <confamuse> will do![05:32:37] <jessicah> haikuporter does a lot of very weird things[05:33:15] <jessicah> i don't really want to start digging into the python sources, else i might try improve it a little[05:33:29] <jessicah> me and python aren't friends :p[05:42:02] *** freakazoid0223_ has quit IRC[05:42:22] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[05:43:45] *** _3dEyes has quit IRC[05:44:04] *** _3dEyes has joined #haiku[05:44:39] *** _3dEyes has joined #haiku[05:46:28] <confamuse> jessicah: thank you![05:53:37] <jessicah> kallisti5: https://vimeo.com/92377076 hehe[05:54:13] <jessicah> the video recording on my system is bit suspect though; random pauses and stuff[05:54:43] <jessicah> confamuse: no problem :)[05:55:00] <OmniMancer1> obviously not good at encoding :P[05:55:24] <jessicah> psh[05:55:29] <jessicah> it's not a shabby box[06:00:07] *** stpere has quit IRC[06:02:58] <jessicah> i'll do a meta video later ;)[06:06:00] *** [JJ]Albert has quit IRC[06:06:26] *** [JJ]Albert has joined #haiku[06:08:45] *** [JJ]Albert has quit IRC[06:09:53] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[06:10:02] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[06:15:05] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[06:16:02] *** stpere has joined #haiku[06:16:13] * jessicah pokes stpere[06:18:57] *** Jafura has quit IRC[06:39:17] * OmniMancer1 pokes jessicah![06:39:47] * jessicah pokes OmniMancer1 back[06:40:02] <jessicah> you disturbed my minesweepering! ;)[06:40:12] <jessicah> hit a mine x_x[06:40:27] <OmniMancer1> :/[06:40:30] <OmniMancer1> sorry[06:40:36] <jessicah> ;)[06:46:23] <jessicah> finally finished a board... :) slooow though[07:14:18] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[07:20:43] *** stpere has quit IRC[07:20:45] *** Xenmen has quit IRC[07:21:34] *** Xenmen has joined #haiku[07:38:11] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[08:01:40] *** fhein has joined #haiku[08:02:24] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[08:02:55] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[08:09:22] *** louisdem has joined #haiku[08:14:04] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[08:17:10] <Anarchos> How do developers test their modifications, now that haiku is package managed ? Before that i used to recompile and replace the programs i wanted to test.[08:17:22] <jessicah> dunno[08:17:32] <jessicah> you could prolly blacklist the packaged file[08:17:40] <jessicah> and then drop your compiled stuff in non-packaged[08:18:08] <jessicah> or package your file and maybe it'll pick up your packaged version instead[08:18:32] <jessicah> when i'm playing with web+, i just run it from its own folder[08:18:48] <jessicah> and drop any modified libs I want in a local lib sub-directory[08:21:08] <Anarchos> jessicah ok. I wanted to add debug traces to the kernel (i have troubles to boot, so i want to investigate the acpi layer)[08:21:18] <Anarchos> jessicah and hello to you :)[08:21:48] <jessicah> ah okies :)[08:21:52] <jessicah> hello Anarchos :)[08:22:17] <Anarchos> jessicah no time to test my port ?[08:22:33] <jessicah> hehe ;)[08:22:57] <louisdem> Anarchos, you finished your driver port? :)[08:23:23] <Anarchos> louisdem no ... i block on socket_buffer->priority which i can't find the equivalent on haiku[08:23:44] <jessicah> just skip it :)[08:24:01] <Anarchos> jessicah i can't cause this value is used in the linux driver...[08:24:14] <louisdem> oh[08:24:24] <jessicah> Anarchos: sure you can[08:24:32] <jessicah> just stub it out to something magical to continue working[08:25:39] <Anarchos> jessicah i will use 0xdeadbeef :)[08:25:40] <louisdem> so, good luck again, Anarchos! :)[08:25:45] <louisdem> lol[08:26:16] <jessicah> how original ;)[08:26:25] * jessicah often uses 0xcafebabe :)[08:29:27] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[08:33:19] *** alpha123 has quit IRC[08:34:39] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[08:34:57] *** alpha123 has joined #haiku[08:37:06] * humdinger has added ASmith42's hint on BIOS settings to https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/virtualizing[08:37:16] <humdinger> thanks agent![08:38:26] <jessicah> he left a while ago ;)[08:38:52] <humdinger> nevermind. his wisdom shall live on...[08:39:03] <jessicah> ;)[08:39:22] <humdinger> Funny, Vision plays foul with my mouse pointer.[08:39:29] <humdinger> hasn't done that for years.[08:39:45] <humdinger> since I put the nvidia.settings file in place.[08:40:17] <humdinger> I think it started after trying scanty's bloody game[08:40:36] <louisdem> you mean, emulator :)[08:40:47] <humdinger> right.[08:41:07] <humdinger> Anyway, I call my lawyers.[08:41:15] <humdinger> scanty will pay for this. :)[08:41:21] <louisdem> lol[08:41:39] <louisdem> hey, humdingerm maybe you can also update this: https://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/writing-video-card-drivers/appendix-b-glossary[08:41:54] <louisdem> the part on OpenGL[08:42:14] <louisdem> see this: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/8756[08:42:26] <louisdem> *humdinger[08:42:46] <humdinger> Can do![08:43:07] <louisdem> Cool, thanks[08:44:56] <humdinger> Done. and only took nerly 2 years... :)[08:44:59] <humdinger> closing ticket[08:45:12] <louisdem> he he ;)[08:45:58] <louisdem> I actually saw an e-mail from Michael and since you were already here...[08:46:34] <humdinger> which Michael?[08:46:55] <louisdem> Mounteney, mailing list[08:47:13] <louisdem> He's offered to help closing tickets[08:47:35] <humdinger> ah, the recently emerged nick "mount"[08:48:15] <louisdem> I think so[08:51:31] <louisdem> Hey humdinger, do you if it is currently possible to mount ext2/4 partitions in r-w mode?[08:51:52] <humdinger> it is.[08:52:02] <louisdem> Oh, good[08:52:07] <humdinger> I don't dare normally though.[08:52:14] <louisdem> Yeah, me too[08:52:43] <humdinger> I normally boot into linux to do stuff there and maybe mount a BFS partition read-only there.[08:52:51] <louisdem> Last year, I tried it and it corrupted a partition with 122 GB of data[08:53:08] <humdinger> ouch[08:53:38] <louisdem> I like booting into Linux to copy some hpkgs from my Haiku partition[08:53:47] *** SonicX has quit IRC[08:53:55] <louisdem> like bepdf, unrar[08:53:55] <humdinger> another sore spot is the slow ntfs writing.[08:54:17] <louisdem> Haven't tried with ntfs too[08:54:20] <humdinger> why do you boot into linux for that?[08:54:49] <louisdem> I don't have a way to connect to the InteNet on Haiku...[08:54:50] <louisdem> *r[08:55:07] <humdinger> I wish we could pay a filesystem guru to debug the hell out of those fs for a month or two.[08:55:07] <louisdem> Use 3G usb modem[08:55:31] <humdinger> oh. crippling.[08:55:43] <louisdem> yeah. maybe axeld could do it[08:55:48] <louisdem> or 3dEyes[08:59:26] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[09:03:43] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[09:04:02] * humdinger takes a shower, no snide remarks![09:05:05] <louisdem> It is actually raining here, so maybe I could also go shower in the rain... :D[09:28:04] <jessicah> why is half that page in what appears to be german/dutch?[09:28:44] <jessicah> ah was dutch[09:29:16] *** xyzzy has quit IRC[09:32:08] *** humdinger has quit IRC[09:36:18] *** Miyu has joined #haiku[09:36:34] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[09:36:49] * humdinger has returned[09:37:14] <Anarchos> jessicah so you haven't test my ocaml port with the graphical demo ?[09:37:23] *** hackkitten has quit IRC[09:37:55] <jessicah> nop[09:42:14] *** xyzzy has joined #haiku[09:43:40] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[09:43:57] <Anarchos> jessicah you remind me my english teacher who used to call me 'lazy slob' :)[09:45:27] <jessicah> ;)[09:47:49] *** dcase has joined #haiku[09:48:00] <PulkoMandy> hello world![09:48:28] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy lol[09:49:17] *** auronandace has quit IRC[09:49:20] <humdinger> The world greets PulkoMandy![09:49:47] *** louisdem has quit IRC[09:51:48] <gordonjcp> morning[09:52:13] <humdinger> hullo[10:00:33] <kcj> Hello.[10:02:38] *** auronandace has joined #haiku[10:04:28] <Anarchos> hi gordonjcp[10:08:29] <gordonjcp> Anarchos: hi[10:10:57] <Anarchos> gordonjcp what are the news ?[10:12:23] *** rvalles has quit IRC[10:17:21] *** Xenmen has quit IRC[10:17:49] <jessicah> pon pon[10:17:49] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[10:18:25] <Anarchos> jessicah ping ping ?[10:18:55] <jessicah> :)[10:19:11] <geist> oh man, a classic email I just randomly remembered. it was saved![10:19:16] <geist> http://www.angryredplanet.com/~hackbod/openbinder/docs/html/BringItOn.html[10:19:46] <geist> george was launching the smooved daemon, which housed binder[10:20:13] <irker-367> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev47130 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=aa28478+%5E744dfa3[10:20:14] <irker-367> 2c8f0c5: Fix compile error on 64-bit machines.[10:20:14] <irker-367> aa28478: Update gcc version to match bootstrap repo.[10:21:15] <gordonjcp> Anarchos: not a lot[10:21:26] <gordonjcp> Anarchos: nice weather, too nice to sit inside and play with computers ;-)[10:21:32] <Anarchos> gordonjcp :)[10:21:47] <gordonjcp> Anarchos: so instead I'm going to go and lie underneath the car[10:22:01] <gordonjcp> I swear I have spent more time under that thing than in the driving seat by now[10:22:29] <gordonjcp> geist: :-)[10:25:11] <jessicah> haha, what the heckle[10:30:11] <Anarchos> geist what do you think of the work of pdziepak on the scheduler ?[10:30:27] *** soakbot has quit IRC[10:30:40] *** soakbot has joined #haiku[10:31:16] <geist> dunno, haven't looked at it too much[10:31:37] <Anarchos> geist ok[10:31:52] <geist> looks okay at first glance[10:32:56] <Anarchos> geist i still wonder why haiku seems less reactive to beos on an older machine...[10:33:59] <geist> being that it's a completely separate software stack, beats me[10:34:27] <geist> but at 1000 feet i'd say it's larger, more stuff to run[10:35:36] <PulkoMandy> lack of video acceleration probably plays a great role[10:37:13] *** Xenmen has joined #haiku[10:39:03] *** rvalles has joined #haiku[10:39:57] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy i just do compilation and terminal stuff mostly :)[10:40:24] <PulkoMandy> terminal scrolling is also accelerated on BeOS :)[10:41:07] *** rvalles has quit IRC[10:42:39] *** Yann65 has joined #haiku[10:43:02] *** rvalles has joined #haiku[10:47:50] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy i mean the scheduler seems to have more latency :)[10:56:04] <irker-367> haiku.master: jessicah * hrev47131 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=57fc26c+%5Eaa28478[10:56:05] <irker-367> 57fc26c: Moved myself to current maintainers list.[10:56:36] <humdinger> \o/[10:56:51] <humdinger> no go start maintaining, jessicah :)[10:57:28] <humdinger> *now[10:57:43] <Anarchos> jessicah what do you maintain ??[10:58:05] <humdinger> The Code, Anarchos, the Code...[10:59:40] <Anarchos> lol[10:59:59] * humdinger adds himself to the preparer list of The Lunch[11:00:07] <humdinger> laters![11:00:13] *** humdinger has quit IRC[11:07:47] *** rvalles has quit IRC[11:08:58] *** rvalles has joined #haiku[11:13:45] <jessicah> Anarchos: i figured since i have commit access now, seems the right thing to do :)[11:14:06] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.[11:14:11] <Anarchos> jessicah i want to commit only in the about box, since i need the commit access ? Sounds right :)[11:15:06] <jessicah> good morning brobostigon![11:15:18] <brobostigon> morning jessicah[11:15:28] <jessicah> Anarchos: i've committed other stuff to haiku :)[11:26:25] *** subcritical has quit IRC[11:27:54] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[11:30:26] <Not-001> [haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/commits/[11:30:30] <Not-001> [haikuports] Adrien Destugues 280866a - Add cvsps require to git_cvs.[11:44:06] *** zeusk has joined #haiku[11:44:10] <zeusk> hi[11:44:23] <jessicah> hihi[11:45:30] <zeusk> has anyone tried recent haiku builds on vmware ?[11:48:49] <jessicah> i only use vbox personally[11:49:19] <PulkoMandy> I use real hardware[12:02:04] *** Yann64 has left #haiku[12:17:47] *** zz_NumberNoid is now known as NumberNoid[12:22:22] *** nighty-_ has joined #haiku[12:24:29] <irker-367> haiku.master: jessicah * hrev47132 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=6f68e52+%5E57fc26c[12:24:30] <irker-367> 6f68e52: packagefs: BOpenHashTable keys are already reference types.[12:27:37] <jessicah> hmm, mebbe that's wrong...[12:27:40] <jessicah> but it didn't compile before[12:27:53] <jessicah> reference to a reference type[12:29:00] <zeusk> <reference to reference> is used often in threaded programming[12:29:15] <jessicah> reference to reference is valid?[12:30:41] <jessicah> well i dunno, it didn't compile before, and now it compiles; and nowhere else uses reference types for the keys that i've seen[12:30:43] <zeusk> not literally (I meant in scope of pointers)[12:30:47] <jessicah> seems like the correct thing to do[12:31:40] *** vgezer has joined #haiku[12:31:59] <jessicah> well, i'm sure someone will point it out if i broke things :p[12:32:56] <jessicah> the compiler seemed to think it was trying to create a &&node_ref type[12:33:25] *** _3dEyes has joined #haiku[12:34:04] *** _3dEyes has quit IRC[12:34:45] *** _3dEyes has joined #haiku[12:52:48] *** zeusk has quit IRC[13:01:42] <Not-001> [haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/commits/[13:01:46] <Not-001> [haikuports] Adrien Destugues a8354d9 - Fix pkg-config script for freetype. * We may want to make fixPkgconfig smarter...[13:11:14] *** bytemask has quit IRC[13:12:08] <OmniMancer1> what error message did it give before?[13:12:15] *** Yann65 has quit IRC[13:14:20] *** bytemask has joined #haiku[13:14:46] <jessicah> reference to an already reference type[13:14:55] <Not-001> [haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/commits/[13:14:57] <Not-001> [haikuports] Adrien Destugues 4e5ed4d - Fontconfig: add mising requires. This needs libbz2 and libpng.[13:14:59] <jessicah> don't have the exact error at hand atm, building[13:15:11] <jessicah> give me a min :)[13:15:48] <jessicah> or 5...[13:17:53] *** Miyu is now known as hackkitten[13:20:02] <jessicah> hmm...[13:20:23] <jessicah> /home/jessica/haiku/headers/private/kernel/util/OpenHashTable.h:140: forming reference to reference type `const node_ref &const'[13:20:27] <jessicah> that's the error[13:20:54] <jessicah> almost thought it wasn't going to fail; my VM seems to be getting really slow[13:21:08] <jessicah> (among other weird i/o issues of late)[13:25:05] <jessicah> well, other than the commit message being slightly misleading, the fix itself seems right :)[13:27:25] <OmniMancer1> ah I see[13:27:36] <OmniMancer1> yes it is probably right this way[13:28:59] <jessicah> have you committed stuff to haiku?[13:31:20] *** pdziepak has joined #haiku[13:39:39] *** PasNox has quit IRC[14:06:46] *** alvin_ has joined #haiku[14:07:19] *** Diver has joined #haiku[14:07:51] *** subcritical has joined #haiku[14:07:55] *** neoman- has joined #haiku[14:09:11] *** f_hein has joined #haiku[14:14:40] *** daniele_nothome has joined #haiku[14:14:53] *** dcase has quit IRC[14:14:54] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[14:14:55] *** fhein has quit IRC[14:14:59] *** Diver1 has quit IRC[14:15:03] *** neoman has quit IRC[14:15:16] *** neoman- is now known as neoman[14:15:17] *** daniele_nothome is now known as daniele_athome[14:15:18] *** kcj has quit IRC[14:25:20] *** wpsea has quit IRC[14:25:26] <irker-367> haiku.master: jessicah * hrev47133 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=8173945+%5E6f68e52[14:25:27] <irker-367> 8173945: AboutSystem: license hyperlinks were missing due to incorrect count[14:26:46] *** wpsea has joined #haiku[14:45:02] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[15:07:36] *** _3dEyes has quit IRC[15:09:20] *** kkux has joined #haiku[15:09:33] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[15:11:02] <irker-367> haiku.master: jessicah * hrev47134 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=07fae11+%5E8173945[15:11:02] <irker-367> 07fae11: AboutSystem: use BPathFinder instead of find_directory.[15:12:20] *** TheHitMan has joined #haiku[15:12:26] *** TheHitMan has left #haiku[15:15:19] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[15:30:53] *** Jafura has joined #haiku[15:37:35] <Not-001> [haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/commits/[15:37:39] <Not-001> [haikuports] Adrien Destugues bbb1982 - Lua: Provide versionned bin and lib names * Some programs need to rely on a specific version of Lua (5.1 or 5.2).[15:43:40] <irker-367> haiku.master: jessicah * hrev47135 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=94febdf+%5E07fae11[15:43:41] <irker-367> 94febdf: AboutSystem: use BPathFinder correctly[15:57:48] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[16:14:18] *** Muzer has quit IRC[16:19:32] *** Muzer has joined #haiku[16:24:53] *** louisdem has joined #haiku[16:38:05] *** alvin_ has quit IRC[16:52:22] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[16:52:55] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[16:53:11] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[16:53:11] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[16:54:26] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[16:55:45] *** vgezer has quit IRC[16:56:57] *** Xenmen has quit IRC[16:59:44] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[16:59:53] *** epigraph has joined #haiku[17:04:43] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[17:06:30] <louisdem> Hello![17:06:46] <humdinger> hullo[17:07:19] <louisdem> Anyone got the sources for LittleWriter/PoorMan Write (Qt-based)?[17:07:35] <louisdem> How do you do, humdinger?[17:08:45] <humdinger> How do you do, louisdem. :)[17:08:53] <humdinger> A fine day, isn't it, old chap.[17:09:04] <louisdem> Indeed :)[17:09:45] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[17:10:17] <louisdem> Although it's closer to "a fine night" here... :D[17:10:59] <humdinger> any debauchery plans?[17:11:28] <louisdem> nah, don't dig those thingies...[17:12:54] <humdinger> good. :)[17:16:15] <louisdem> :)[17:27:22] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[17:33:01] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[17:33:49] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[17:34:51] *** Vidiot_X has quit IRC[17:43:53] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[17:54:16] *** neuro_sys is now known as ifrit[17:55:44] *** ifrit is now known as pleroma[17:56:27] *** pleroma is now known as neurostoic[17:56:35] *** neurostoic is now known as penilebot[17:56:46] *** penilebot is now known as jimmie_kukkson[17:56:53] *** jimmie_kukkson is now known as adsr[17:57:03] *** adsr is now known as ifrit[18:10:44] *** dcase has joined #haiku[18:11:08] <irker-367> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev47136 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=2a765fb+%5E94febdf[18:11:08] <irker-367> 2a765fb: Update various packages.[18:14:14] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[18:17:23] *** jua_ has quit IRC[18:21:59] *** subcritical has quit IRC[18:22:16] *** subcritical has joined #haiku[18:25:15] *** humdinger has quit IRC[18:28:30] *** stpere has joined #haiku[18:29:24] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[18:36:30] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[18:55:01] *** qbit has left #haiku[18:55:31] *** Jafura has quit IRC[18:56:24] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[18:57:54] *** hackkitten has quit IRC[18:58:24] *** hackkitten has joined #haiku[19:05:21] *** SonicX has joined #haiku[19:05:26] *** f_hein has quit IRC[19:18:51] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[19:25:39] <HaikuUser> Hi to all![19:26:32] <gordonjcp> HaikuUser: evening[19:27:26] *** HaikuUser is now known as Tigershark[19:27:46] <Tigershark> I testing now a first time project "Haiku"[19:28:02] <Tigershark> very intesient[19:29:07] <louisdem> It is, indeed :)[19:29:37] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[19:30:15] <louisdem> Hello, hamishm![19:30:45] <louisdem> How's OpenJDK progressing? :)[19:31:16] <Tigershark> What is fresh installed haiku default ssh pass?[19:31:23] <Tigershark> or must reconfigure?[19:33:04] <gordonjcp> Tigershark: I *think* you need to set a password first[19:34:03] <Tigershark> ok, now I set password. thx[19:34:13] <humdinger> passwd never asks for the old password. Always the new...[19:34:20] <humdinger> is that normal? I have no idea...[19:34:42] <humdinger> maybe because in Haiku I'm always king^W root.[19:34:48] <Tigershark> I think this very wrong[19:35:06] <Tigershark> but desktop is cool :)[19:35:09] <humdinger> tell him, epigraph[19:35:21] <humdinger> epigraph !patch[19:35:21] <epigraph> humdinger: Error: "!patch" is not a valid command.[19:35:26] <louisdem> !haiku[19:35:26] <epigraph> Little and yellow[19:35:27] <epigraph> The once-darkened skies will part[19:35:28] <epigraph> Pouring out sunshine.[19:35:29] <epigraph> - nonesuch[19:35:35] <humdinger> what was it again[19:37:05] <louisdem> hrm... maybe puckipedia can help?[19:37:11] <louisdem> :D[19:38:00] <humdinger> Is he back from the states unité?[19:38:43] <stpere> hi[19:39:31] <louisdem> dunno[19:39:41] <louisdem> hi, stpere[19:39:57] <humdinger> hey stpere![19:40:58] <PulkoMandy> !patchwanted[19:40:58] <epigraph> PulkoMandy: Haiku is Free Software, therefore you can fix it yourself and send a patch, which would likely be very appreciated. cf. http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/SubmittingPatches[19:41:20] <humdinger> right, that was it![19:41:24] <louisdem> done! lol...[19:41:52] <Tigershark> very interesting. If I connect another machine with ssh is turned on, and such. issue a "WonderBrush" command, it starts the program running smoothly during the haiku ... It's not too dangerous?[19:42:28] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[19:42:57] <Tigershark> and any command from shh run on haiku machine, without permission control[19:43:12] <humdinger> Tigershark: you probably shouldn't tweet your ssh passwords...[19:43:40] <gordonjcp> Tigershark: that's true of any machine you can connect to remotely with ssh[19:43:44] <gordonjcp> that's sort of the point[19:44:15] <Tigershark> yes, true[19:46:12] <Tigershark> Haiku is very similar to Linux (I use linux 20 years ago).[19:49:41] <PulkoMandy> Tigershark: actually, there is permission control[19:49:55] <PulkoMandy> if you create another user, it won't have access to app_server and be unable to run graphical apps[19:49:57] * gordonjcp started using Linux about 20 years ago :-p[19:50:05] <PulkoMandy> and some more, including unzip, actually[19:50:16] <Tigershark> yes, I now run useradd' and creating new user[19:52:50] <louisdem> Skipp_OSX: can you look at this: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/5588 ?[19:54:50] *** Tigershark has left #haiku[20:02:24] <humdinger> neat: http://egg-bot.com/[20:03:56] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[20:04:25] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[20:05:47] <humdinger> Makes sounds like someone learning to play the violine: http://youtu.be/ZC-VTRjaHk0[20:06:35] *** epigraph has quit IRC[20:07:43] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[20:10:24] *** pemdp has joined #haiku[20:10:30] *** humdinger has quit IRC[20:11:31] <pemdp> hello[20:13:54] <Anarchos> hi pemdp[20:17:22] <louisdem> bye for now ...[20:17:29] *** louisdem has quit IRC[20:26:46] *** hamishm has quit IRC[20:47:18] *** Subsentient has joined #haiku[20:48:23] <Subsentient> I dunno if I'm being stupid, but I came here to poke at the idea of an interim Alpha 5. It would be good for their to be a reason for Haiku to hit the front pages of news sites again.[20:48:33] <Subsentient> s/their/there/[20:49:02] <gordonjcp> Subsentient: have you checked the bugtracker?[20:49:08] <PulkoMandy> we are planning an alpha5 already[20:49:08] <gordonjcp> it's on the roadmap[20:49:12] <PulkoMandy> it's 17 bugs away[20:49:19] <PulkoMandy> but these are 17 complex bugs[20:49:40] <auronandace> 17? i thought there were only 2 blockers[20:50:00] <Subsentient> PulkoMandy: let me see. I may be able to help to some limited extent, since I don't know C++ (but I know C), but let's see.[20:50:22] <PulkoMandy> we don't use that much crazy features from C++, so that shouldn't be the main problem :)[20:52:06] <Subsentient> PulkoMandy: Excellent. I mean I'm no noob: http://universe2.us/epoch.html[20:52:14] <Subsentient> But I have virtually no experience with GUI stuff[20:53:14] <PulkoMandy> I think most of the remaining bugs are kernel side, actually[20:53:54] <Subsentient> Good, as long as nobody asks me to write some asm.[20:54:36] *** Codora has quit IRC[20:56:11] <PulkoMandy> the kernel is mostly C++ as well. Why would we write asm? :)[20:56:13] *** Codora has joined #haiku[20:56:21] <PulkoMandy> (well, there is some, but as little as possible)[20:57:11] <Subsentient> PulkoMandy: Well there has to be some. Thankfully I am learning asm, slowly.[20:57:19] <Subsentient> Just can't write it yet. I can read some. :^)[20:58:47] <Subsentient> PulkoMandy: BTW, is it possible to get Haiku to fire up a textmode console?[20:59:03] <PulkoMandy> not real textmode[20:59:07] <Subsentient> Damn.[20:59:20] <PulkoMandy> you could disable app_server and use consoled instead if you want to remove the UI[20:59:40] <PulkoMandy> but that still use a graphic mode and renders text on it, so it's of little use[20:59:51] <Subsentient> PulkoMandy: The point is to save every drop of RAM I can. I'd like some day for Haiku to be suitable for servers.[20:59:55] <Subsentient> Or at least some flavor.[21:00:35] <PulkoMandy> well, you could remove app_server to free some memory[21:00:44] <PulkoMandy> but our memory use is already fairly low, I think[21:01:15] <Subsentient> PulkoMandy: I dunno, I still feel like it's not modular enough if I can't drop to a console.[21:01:27] <PulkoMandy> not a problem of modularity[21:01:30] * Subsentient dislikes hermetically sealed operating systems[21:01:38] <PulkoMandy> you can remove app_server and that will remove all UI stuff[21:01:51] <PulkoMandy> it's just that there is nothing to provide the textmode[21:02:05] <Subsentient> But, will it still fire up a 1024x768 cursor black screen?[21:02:10] <Subsentient> Yeah[21:02:17] <PulkoMandy> no, we don't do textmode[21:02:26] <PulkoMandy> even the kernel debugger uses the framebuffer[21:02:37] <Subsentient> PulkoMandy: That's what I already thought, but I wanted to make sure.[21:02:40] <PulkoMandy> (press alt+printscreen+d to try it, and continue to exit)[21:02:53] <PulkoMandy> why would we implement textmode? it's 2014 here :)[21:04:05] <Subsentient> PulkoMandy: Because I am a crusty old bastard who still gets active use out of an army of old Pentium 3 machines.[21:04:20] <PulkoMandy> yes, but for this you can still use consoled[21:04:36] <PulkoMandy> it will set the graphics card to use a graphic mode, but will use it for text output[21:04:43] <PulkoMandy> and it will not double buffer anything to RAM[21:04:55] <PulkoMandy> so it only wastes vram[21:05:03] <Subsentient> PulkoMandy: ahh. Well I guess I can live with that.[21:05:10] <PulkoMandy> and you can set 640x480 8bit video mode to save more[21:05:19] <Subsentient> rofl[21:05:30] <Subsentient> PulkoMandy: This is the only bug that really has me worried: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/10279[21:08:15] <PulkoMandy> well this one is specific to some hardware[21:08:30] <Subsentient> PulkoMandy: Yeah, AMD.[21:08:48] <PulkoMandy> yes, that makes it hard to solve for all our intel-running developers[21:09:14] <PulkoMandy> I'm not sure it's all AMD either, we have only 2 machines with the issue if I read correctly[21:09:31] <Subsentient> PulkoMandy: Nobody else reported this?[21:10:05] <PulkoMandy> there would be comments in the ticket, I can't see any[21:10:28] <Subsentient> yeah.[21:10:36] <Subsentient> Makes sense.[21:11:44] <Subsentient> PulkoMandy: So you still intend to ship R1 with GCC 2 + 4?[21:15:45] <Subsentient> Silence is my response. I know the reasoning behind it, just wanted to know. :^)[21:15:47] *** Subsentient has left #haiku[21:22:45] *** Theoden has joined #haiku[21:32:47] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[21:33:13] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[21:46:11] *** Cenbe has quit IRC[21:53:13] *** stargater has joined #haiku[21:54:07] *** luroh has joined #haiku[22:14:21] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[22:17:52] *** stargater has quit IRC[22:27:12] *** KapiX has joined #haiku[22:27:58] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[22:28:21] *** Theoden has quit IRC[22:28:27] *** KapiX_ has joined #haiku[22:31:54] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[22:32:03] *** KapiX has quit IRC[22:37:32] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[22:37:34] <Premislaus> hello[22:37:43] <PulkoMandy> hi[22:38:48] <Anarchos> hi Premislaus and PulkoMandy[22:39:01] <Premislaus> what's up??[22:39:47] <IIsi50MHz> The ambient temperature.[22:39:59] <PulkoMandy> trying to bootstrap the ARM port again...[22:40:04] <PulkoMandy> and compiling a qemu package[22:40:23] <IIsi50MHz> And, I'm going to shutdown a machine remove the dodgy stock Intel heatsink and put on a bigger one.[22:59:45] *** pemdp has quit IRC[23:03:05] *** louisdem has joined #haiku[23:08:41] *** Jafura has joined #haiku[23:14:58] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[23:19:36] <roptat> hello ! I think I have solved the wget ca-certificate problem[23:20:05] <roptat> I just made the recipe write a config file for that (just like vim)[23:20:20] *** luroh has quit IRC[23:22:52] <PulkoMandy> roptat: hi! can you submit a patch?[23:25:15] <roptat> sure[23:28:44] <roptat> there you are, there is a pull request on bitbucket[23:33:27] <Not-001> [haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 2 commits to master [+1/-1/±1] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/commits/[23:33:30] <Not-001> [haikuports] KapiX 160679d - zip: turn bep into recipe.[23:33:33] <Not-001> [haikuports] pulkomandy 2b15d5c - Merged in KapiX/haikuports (pull request #158) zip 3.0[23:36:20] <Not-001> [haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 9 commits to master [+41/-13/±77] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/commits/[23:36:23] <Not-001> [haikuports] roptat 1eb1a21 - Merged haikuports/haikuports into master[23:36:27] <Not-001> [haikuports] roptat ac04c13 - Merged haikuports/haikuports into master[23:36:27] <PulkoMandy> thanks![23:36:29] <Not-001> [haikuports] Julien Lepiller 3db5f1b - Merged haikuports/haikuports into master[23:36:33] <Not-001> [haikuports] roptat 835609e - Merged haikuports/haikuports into master[23:36:36] <Not-001> [haikuports] Julien Lepiller 0e1ece7 - updated gnupg to 1.4.16[23:36:39] <Not-001> [haikuports] roptat c8f624c - Merged haikuports/haikuports into master[23:36:41] <Not-001> [haikuports] Julien Lepiller 4933be3 - update apr and apr_util[23:36:44] <Not-001> [haikuports] Julien Lepiller 3b8110b - fixed ssl certificate bug in wget[23:36:47] <Not-001> [haikuports] pulkomandy d23f05d - Merged in roptat/haikuports (pull request #162) updates[23:37:23] <roptat> my pleasure :)[23:39:32] *** cnuke has quit IRC[23:39:38] *** epigraph has joined #haiku[23:40:03] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[23:41:26] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[23:48:39] <irker-367> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev47137 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=279c181+%5E2a765fb[23:48:39] <irker-367> 279c181: Import stdatomic.c from freebsd for ARM port[23:49:33] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[23:50:56] <Anarchos> re mmu_man[23:53:58] <Not-001> [haikuports] korli pushed 3 commits to master [+4/-5/±1] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/commits/[23:54:02] <Not-001> [haikuports] korli 24735d5 - libcdio: add recipe for version 0.92 * removed old versions.[23:54:04] <Not-001> [haikuports] korli f4359dc - dash: add a recipe for version 0.5.7 * still broken, loops in wait3().[23:54:08] <Not-001> [haikuports] korli 37c9082 - libcdio: gcc2 build fix[23:54:58] <Not-001> [haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/commits/[23:55:00] <Not-001> [haikuports] Adrien Destugues b2daa71 - bison 2.5: hybrid build support.[23:55:04] <Not-001> [haikuports] Adrien Destugues 6245c4d - dtc: support hybrid builds.[23:55:10] <IIsi50MHz> Anarchos: "re"? Français?[23:55:44] <IIsi50MHz> I first encountered that usage in French-language chat some years ago.[23:55:44] <Anarchos> IIsi50MHz yes[23:56:08] <IIsi50MHz> I sometimes write the same thing.[23:59:19] <IIsi50MHz> I should study French again. I rely too much on machine translation now.[23:59:20] <irker-367> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev47138 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=8116f47+%5E279c181[23:59:21] <irker-367> 8116f47: Add more packages: vcmi, cvsps, ...