April 15, 2014 
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April 15, 2014 [00:00:17] * IIsi50MHz hops on board a Galaxy-class starship with jessicah, replaces LCARS with Haiku[00:00:36] <jessicah> LCARS is the computer system?[00:00:46] <IIsi50MHz> It's the UI.[00:00:51] <jessicah> see i don't even know much about star trek[00:01:11] <IIsi50MHz> So more like replacing a Linux GUI.[00:26:13] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[00:33:27] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[00:33:36] *** nighty-_ has quit IRC[00:40:14] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[00:40:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[00:48:58] *** bbjimmy-atwork- has joined #haiku[00:50:45] *** nighty-_ has joined #haiku[00:54:58] *** nighty-_ has quit IRC[00:59:36] *** NumberNoid is now known as zz_NumberNoid[01:05:21] *** rennj has joined #haiku[01:16:12] *** Theoden has joined #haiku[01:18:18] *** luroh has quit IRC[01:26:08] <AlienSoldier> humm, seem i found a mofo of a Webpositive memory leak cause :)[01:26:13] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[01:27:43] <AlienSoldier> anybody see the Langolier eating their memory like mad on this: http://www.lightstreamer.com/ ?[01:33:55] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[01:33:56] *** HaikuUser is now known as SMCollins[01:33:58] *** HaikuUser2 has joined #haiku[01:42:51] *** kkux has quit IRC[01:43:42] *** kkux has joined #haiku[01:44:09] *** SMCollins has quit IRC[01:51:16] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[01:55:39] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[02:11:06] *** _marc` has quit IRC[02:18:14] *** vgezer has quit IRC[02:24:12] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[03:05:02] *** Xenmen has quit IRC[03:17:55] <AlienSoldier> weird, VLC 0.8.6d only show the onscreen progress bar and not the time data in haiku (the white overlay)[03:48:20] *** bbjimmy-atwork- has quit IRC[03:57:14] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[04:02:10] *** Barrett has quit IRC[04:11:15] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[04:16:09] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[04:17:07] *** pdziepak has quit IRC[04:30:14] *** Theoden has quit IRC[04:42:19] *** Cenbe has quit IRC[04:44:12] *** Cenbe has joined #haiku[04:52:33] *** [JJ]Albert has joined #haiku[04:53:16] *** jstressman has quit IRC[04:55:17] *** jstressman has joined #haiku[04:58:21] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[05:04:28] *** _marc` has quit IRC[05:17:14] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[05:31:19] *** kkux has quit IRC[05:32:55] *** kkux has joined #haiku[05:36:30] *** kkux has quit IRC[06:01:07] *** {V} has quit IRC[06:01:11] *** {V} has joined #haiku[06:01:50] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[06:05:45] *** kkux has joined #haiku[06:11:23] *** PaulHarrisJr_ has quit IRC[06:27:11] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[06:41:48] *** Xenmen has joined #haiku[06:55:43] *** briankrent has quit IRC[06:58:17] *** donliu has joined #haiku[07:02:15] *** slubman has quit IRC[07:02:32] *** slubman has joined #haiku[07:11:20] *** donliu has quit IRC[07:13:04] *** kcj has joined #haiku[07:24:43] *** PaulHarrisJr_ has joined #haiku[07:35:36] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[07:48:16] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[07:48:46] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[07:54:42] *** soakbot has quit IRC[07:54:57] *** soakbot has joined #haiku[08:15:37] <jessicah> quiet night so far...[08:17:42] <PulkoMandy> hi :)[08:17:56] <jessicah> hey PulkoMandy :)[08:17:58] <jessicah> how goes?[08:19:12] <PulkoMandy> chasing bugs...[08:19:43] <jessicah> what're you chasing today?[08:23:12] <PulkoMandy> high cpu use on jamendo.com when playing music[08:23:17] <PulkoMandy> apparently in app_server[08:23:25] <AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy got my refresh button finally, it is at the total right of the adrees bar desguized as little "enter"[08:23:48] <PulkoMandy> but I just noticed it hits an assert in the media code when downloading music, so looking into that first...[08:23:59] <PulkoMandy> AlienSoldier: oh, right, forgot about that button :)[08:24:52] <AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy i noticed very big amount of RAM leak or too much buffered for some data push site. Look at their page (they have a demo on it) http://www.lightstreamer.com/ the memory climb like crazy.[08:25:21] <AlienSoldier> i can reach 300M in no time[08:26:27] <PulkoMandy> web socket code was written by one of our GSoC candidates, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a bug in there[08:27:44] * AlienSoldier is sending Clint Eastwood to sanction him :)[08:28:12] <PulkoMandy> jessicah: I was also thinking of buying http://www.dx.com/p/wm-8880-mid-7-0-screen-android-4-2-netbook-w-wi-fi-rj45-camera-hdmi-sd-card-slot-red-279595 and porting Haiku to it[08:28:29] <PulkoMandy> but the chip they use has no open source linux support and no documentation, which makes this a more difficult task[08:28:32] <AlienSoldier> It seem that the buffer size is made on server side, but i guess the browser should have some protection against that[08:28:41] <PulkoMandy> it looks like Firefox OS will support it, however, so that may change[08:29:02] <puckipedia> It runs Android too, so[08:29:21] <puckipedia> AlienSoldier: tried checking the code for memory leaks?[08:29:21] <PulkoMandy> yes, but no sources :([08:29:37] <PulkoMandy> and it's a generic device so no manufacturer I can bug for getting the source[08:29:48] <jessicah> ah; well i've almost got reading BFS partition working for uefi[08:29:52] *** 21WAAAIZ4 has quit IRC[08:29:54] <PulkoMandy> mailed WonderMedia (the chip manufacturer) to ask for sources or datasheets but I have little hope[08:29:57] <puckipedia> dx?[08:30:07] <AlienSoldier> puckipedia no i would puke blood it i try :)[08:30:11] <jessicah> just need to make my code read whole blocks and stuff[08:30:12] <AlienSoldier> *if[08:30:56] <AlienSoldier> i only have 512K of RAM, so that leak make a bad difference here[08:31:09] <AlienSoldier> *M[08:31:16] <puckipedia> How does it boot Haiku? :P[08:31:33] <puckipedia> Anyways, gtg to bed[08:31:39] <AlienSoldier> it boot fine[08:32:26] <PulkoMandy> I booted haiku on a 96M machine this week end[08:32:30] <PulkoMandy> (a pre-PM version...)[08:36:15] <IIsi50MHz> AlienSoldier runs HaikuEmbeded (-;[08:36:26] *** umccullough has joined #haiku[08:36:39] <IIsi50MHz> I've run Haiku in 48 MB of RAM.[08:36:46] <umccullough> recently?[08:36:49] <IIsi50MHz> Pentium 166 MMX.[08:36:53] *** alpha123 has quit IRC[08:36:55] <IIsi50MHz> Couple years ago.[08:37:00] <umccullough> yeah, i think it needs more now :/[08:37:09] <IIsi50MHz> Wait, Pentium 200 MMX. Upgraded the proc.[08:37:53] <IIsi50MHz> Well...that machine can't have more. Intel VX chipset, so the address logic becomes unstable after 48 MB.[08:38:12] <umccullough> i have an HX chipset board somewhere[08:38:24] <umccullough> asus p55-t2p4[08:38:34] <AlienSoldier> R5 worked fine with 64M before firefox came out[08:38:35] <umccullough> i think it supported up to 128mb[08:38:45] *** alpha123 has joined #haiku[08:39:03] <IIsi50MHz> Sometimes it will think you have zero, sometimes 16, 32, 48, 80, or 128...or something weirder.[08:39:19] <umccullough> in fact, i'm pretty sure i have 128mb on it :)[08:39:21] <umccullough> EDO[08:39:30] * umccullough needs to find that box sometime[08:39:35] <IIsi50MHz> VX was bugged, but they sold it to OEMs anyway, for budgets systems.[08:39:43] <umccullough> yeah, VX was crap[08:39:51] <umccullough> TX wasn't bad iirc[08:40:09] <IIsi50MHz> CTS[08:40:21] <IIsi50MHz> NO CARRIER[08:40:29] <IIsi50MHz> Sorry, channelling modem lights and stuff.[08:43:13] <IIsi50MHz> I did like the hard-wired volume buttons on that system. Worked even if there was no driver loaded or the driver or system was hung (and playing a nasty audio loop).[08:43:42] <IIsi50MHz> They were directly connected to pins on the audio chip.[08:44:43] <AlienSoldier> time to go to bed, i hope haiku will still be uncrashed when i wake up :)[08:45:26] <IIsi50MHz> _and_ there was a volume knob on the monitor, that modulated the return signal on one of the VGA lines, which was interpreted by hardware on the motherboard and then signalled pins on the chip.[08:45:44] <IIsi50MHz> Again without driver or CPU use.[08:45:52] <IIsi50MHz> night Alien[08:46:21] <IIsi50MHz> There was a lot of clever hackery in that box...and a lot of bizarre kludges.[09:00:50] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[09:18:18] <irker-367> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev47119 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=840839b+%5E8df3fb7[09:18:18] <irker-367> 3eff063: WebPositive: let escape close the menu.[09:18:19] <irker-367> 840839b: In jam, unset variables aren't equal to 0[09:20:43] *** Cenbe has quit IRC[09:22:41] *** Cenbe has joined #haiku[09:29:49] *** Luko has joined #haiku[09:30:04] <Luko> hi folks[09:31:17] *** Luko has quit IRC[09:33:34] *** [JJ]Albert has quit IRC[09:52:37] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[10:00:01] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[10:05:05] *** Xenmen has quit IRC[10:05:20] *** epigraph has quit IRC[10:09:34] *** Vidiot_X has quit IRC[10:14:41] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[10:21:49] *** stargater has joined #haiku[10:22:05] <stargater> hi[10:32:38] *** wpsea has quit IRC[10:33:27] *** wpsea has joined #haiku[10:33:45] *** briankrent has joined #haiku[10:34:09] *** Luko has joined #haiku[10:39:10] *** stargater has quit IRC[10:40:24] *** Luko has quit IRC[11:08:05] *** DKnoto_W has joined #haiku[11:13:14] *** nighty-_ has joined #haiku[11:34:32] *** leszek has joined #haiku[12:07:52] *** zz_NumberNoid is now known as NumberNoid[12:20:02] *** leszek has quit IRC[12:24:07] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #2544 of x86-FreeBSD-host is complete: Failure [failed [x86gcc4hybrid] upload_haiku_repository] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-FreeBSD-host/builds/2544 blamelist: Adrien Destugues <pulkomandy at pulkomandy dot tk>[12:27:28] * jessicah sighs heavily[12:30:50] *** pdziepak has joined #haiku[12:36:26] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[12:37:44] *** Blub\0 is now known as Blub\w[12:38:54] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[12:44:33] *** i336_ has quit IRC[13:24:30] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[13:49:03] *** DKnoto_W has quit IRC[13:51:26] *** _3dEyes has joined #haiku[13:54:37] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[13:57:41] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[14:02:22] *** orealis has quit IRC[14:03:05] *** orealis has joined #haiku[14:05:49] *** hackkitten has quit IRC[14:06:10] *** hackkitten has joined #haiku[14:16:34] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[14:20:22] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[14:23:48] *** _marc` has quit IRC[14:25:43] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[14:25:45] *** kcj has quit IRC[14:30:09] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[14:33:03] *** _3dEyes has quit IRC[14:53:39] *** PaulHarrisJr_ has quit IRC[15:07:59] *** useragent has joined #haiku[15:09:26] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[15:12:49] *** useragent has quit IRC[15:14:44] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[15:25:36] *** PaulHarrisJr_ has joined #haiku[15:49:10] *** Dane_ has joined #haiku[15:50:04] <Dane_> Hey does anybody know a trick that will let a script wait *until* a certain time each day, then execute a command, and return to wait mode again until the same time the next day?[15:52:33] <Dane_> hey, how would you guys all like to hit my TT Facebook page and like it for me? Get into the drawing for a free copy of TuneBridge[15:52:42] <Dane_> http://www.facebook.com/tunetracker[15:52:47] *** poxip has joined #haiku[15:52:48] <PulkoMandy> cron is designed for that, but we don't have a port of it yet[15:53:00] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[15:53:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[15:53:03] <Dane_> PulkoMandy Guess I'll just do a 24 hour sleep then, thanks[16:00:34] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[16:03:28] <arfonzo> ahoy, friends[16:05:49] *** Muzer has quit IRC[16:06:35] *** Muzer has joined #haiku[16:14:18] *** Blub\0 has joined #haiku[16:16:53] *** Blub\w has quit IRC[16:23:26] *** wpsea has quit IRC[16:33:34] <puckipedia> Hello back! 07:32 here :P[16:35:51] <arfonzo> too early![16:36:12] <arfonzo> it's 15:35 here in London, just 1.5h left to survive the work day![16:36:37] <puckipedia> Well, I'm going to Alcatraz at 8:20[16:41:33] *** tqh has joined #haiku[16:44:57] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[16:46:32] *** orealis has quit IRC[16:47:17] *** orealis has joined #haiku[16:50:42] *** wpsea has joined #haiku[16:51:20] *** humdinger_ has joined #haiku[16:52:32] *** humdinger has quit IRC[16:54:16] *** Blub\0 is now known as Blub\w[17:11:15] <humdinger_> PulkoMandy: I've sent myself a 1.4MiB Jpeg to Gmail. Won't download. Sent myself a 1.4MiB pdf. Can download. Any ideas?[17:11:41] <PulkoMandy> mh, webkit trying to display the jpeg instead of downloading?[17:12:38] <humdinger_> doesn't look like it. the progress bar in the status bar runs quickly. then everything's quiet.... no entry in the downloads window.[17:13:49] *** the_clanks has joined #haiku[17:14:45] <humdinger_> PulkoMandy: it's a screenshot of a KDL featuring the thread BURLProtocoll.HTTP... I could sent it to you for further testing. Would be on-topic :)[17:20:12] <PulkoMandy> well, if it's a KDL, better send it to axel[17:20:20] <PulkoMandy> the network kit shouldn't panic[17:21:04] <humdinger_> I'll file a ticket once I get the pic from my phone...[17:30:59] *** Dane_ has quit IRC[17:45:28] *** tqh has quit IRC[17:49:26] *** Wizard has quit IRC[17:49:27] *** Wizard has joined #haiku[17:54:16] *** fhein has joined #haiku[18:07:45] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:08:29] *** epigraph has joined #haiku[18:33:08] *** poxip has quit IRC[18:35:43] *** orealis has quit IRC[18:35:50] *** orealis has joined #haiku[18:42:51] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[18:45:31] *** subcritical has quit IRC[18:57:50] *** subcritical has joined #haiku[19:03:18] *** vgezer has joined #haiku[19:08:28] *** Cenbe_ has joined #haiku[19:09:01] *** Cenbe_ has quit IRC[19:09:16] *** Cenbe has quit IRC[19:10:01] *** Cenbe has joined #haiku[19:11:36] *** PlkMndy has joined #haiku[19:14:28] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[19:20:39] *** poxip has joined #haiku[19:24:56] *** humdinger_ has quit IRC[19:26:21] *** endomancer has joined #haiku[19:33:28] *** DKnoto has joined #haiku[19:37:35] *** bebop-haiku has joined #haiku[19:40:48] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[19:50:39] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[19:51:25] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[19:51:44] *** orealis_ has joined #haiku[19:52:51] *** orealis has quit IRC[19:52:51] *** orealis_ is now known as orealis[19:53:11] *** PlkMndy has quit IRC[19:56:39] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[20:01:07] *** Luko has joined #haiku[20:02:18] *** nighty-_ has quit IRC[20:03:14] *** nighty-_ has joined #haiku[20:03:51] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[20:09:37] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[20:14:07] <Not-001> [haikuports] korli pushed 3 commits to master [+3/-0/±1] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/commits/[20:14:10] <Not-001> [haikuports] korli a8ea8d6 - libvorbis: added recipe for version 1.3.4[20:14:13] <Not-001> [haikuports] korli 93f8afd - libpng: added recipe for version 1.6.10[20:14:16] <Not-001> [haikuports] korli c106cff - libtool: added checksums, find and xargs deps.[20:18:20] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[20:19:41] *** roptat has quit IRC[20:20:12] *** roptat has joined #haiku[20:20:53] *** roptat has quit IRC[20:21:38] *** roptat has joined #haiku[20:22:10] *** roptat has quit IRC[20:22:44] *** roptat has joined #haiku[20:23:32] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[20:23:33] *** HaikuUser is now known as scanty_[20:24:35] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[20:25:55] *** axeld has joined #haiku[20:25:55] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[20:27:52] <Anarchos> hi axeld[20:28:49] *** endomancer has quit IRC[20:29:19] *** endomancer has joined #haiku[20:29:41] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[20:30:25] <scanty_> what does it mean when it says "package whatever is not installable"[20:31:48] <gordonjcp> just what it says[20:31:55] <gordonjcp> for some reason, that package can't be installed[20:32:09] <umccullough> obviously he wants the technical reason ;)[20:32:28] <umccullough> probably gotta grep the code[20:32:49] <gordonjcp> the package builder does a good job of swallowing any potentially helpful error messages[20:32:53] <axeld> Hi there[20:32:57] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[20:33:40] <gordonjcp> axeld: evening[20:34:04] *** Luko has quit IRC[20:34:52] <scanty_> well, i don't know what to do now.[20:34:57] <scanty_> i've read the PM wiki[20:35:01] <scanty_> and followed examples[20:35:48] <PulkoMandy> you don't get a better message in the syslog?[20:35:59] <scanty_> where's the syslog[20:38:33] <PulkoMandy> tail -f /var/log/syslog[20:40:00] <scanty_> KERN: bfs: Remove:2123: No such file or directory[20:40:00] <scanty_> KERN: bfs: Could not find value in index "size"![20:40:01] <scanty_> KERN: bfs: Remove:2123: No such file or directory[20:40:02] <scanty_> KERN: bfs: Could not find value in index "last_modified"![20:40:02] <scanty_> KERN: package_daemon [3044589214: 195] Volume::_PackagesEntryCreated("pretendo.hpkg")[20:42:46] <Anarchos> I would like to help haiku with coding or test but don't know which parts miss a developer[20:44:11] <PulkoMandy> we have a well filled bugtracker :)[20:44:31] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy i know but i am not skilled enough for most of the bugs[20:46:01] <scanty_> any ideas?[20:46:07] <scanty_> need to see .Packageinfo?[20:46:37] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[20:53:54] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[21:06:05] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[21:09:07] <scanty_> surely someone here can help me...[21:09:17] *** leszek has joined #haiku[21:09:22] <scanty_> i am using the same process to create thepackage on haiku gcc4[21:09:25] <scanty_> and it worked fine[21:10:18] <Anarchos> PulkoMandy i dream to be able to code a native multithreaded ieee80211 module :)[21:17:51] *** i336_ has joined #haiku[21:23:54] *** kkux has quit IRC[21:27:44] *** idefix_gromit has quit IRC[21:32:54] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[21:33:36] <scanty_> can anyone please help me?[21:34:00] <Anarchos> scanty_ i can't , not skilled enough :)[21:37:36] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[21:38:26] *** poxip has quit IRC[21:39:22] <jessicah> scanty_: yeah, post the packageinfo[21:39:38] <jessicah> trying to install on a gcc2h?[21:39:42] <scanty_> yes[21:39:45] <scanty_> hold on i'll post it[21:40:37] *** fhein has quit IRC[21:41:08] <scanty_> http://pastebin.com/hq7ecgX6[21:42:31] <scanty_> I got it[21:42:40] <jessicah> can you do pkgman search xml2[21:42:40] <scanty_> nevermind thanks for the help :-)[21:42:42] <jessicah> oh okies[21:42:45] <jessicah> :)[21:42:47] <scanty_> I had the wrong arhcitecture[21:42:47] <jessicah> what was it?[21:42:51] <jessicah> ah[21:43:02] <scanty_> in my packageinfo i put x86[21:43:10] <scanty_> but it should be x86_gcc2[21:43:27] *** HeTo has quit IRC[21:43:42] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[21:44:44] <Anarchos> scanty_ lol[21:45:39] <jessicah> that's confusing[21:51:20] <scanty_> yeah[21:51:30] <scanty_> anyways, here's my NES emulator if anyone wants to play with it[21:51:43] <scanty_> http://shell.reverse.net/~eli/incoming/pretendo.hpkg[21:51:54] <scanty_> feedback welcome[21:52:55] <PulkoMandy> seems to work[21:53:01] <PulkoMandy> not sure if I have some roms around[21:53:12] <PulkoMandy> you could provide a deskbar symlink in the package[21:54:11] <scanty_> it comes with one rom[21:54:21] <scanty_> that i wrote many years ago in the days of BeOS.[21:54:38] <scanty_> i'll look into that symlink later, I have to go out to the pharmacy now to get my weekly medication[21:54:40] <PulkoMandy> yes, that works[21:54:43] <scanty_> be back a little later[21:54:45] <PulkoMandy> (uses a lot of cpu, but...)[21:54:51] <scanty_> yeah[21:55:21] <scanty_> it's hard to get cycle accurate without eating up CPU time[21:55:49] <PulkoMandy> the Amstrad CPC emulator I'm working on has very low CPU use, but the guy who wrote it is good[21:56:01] <PulkoMandy> (I'm just porting from Amiga and writing a native UI)[21:58:24] <gordonjcp> oo[21:58:52] <PulkoMandy> you have a problem with keyboard scanning[21:59:12] <PulkoMandy> I tried playing parodius, and it seems the emulator thinks all keys are released when I release only one[21:59:19] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[21:59:24] <PulkoMandy> so moving in diagonals then straight does'nt work[21:59:34] <scanty_> hmm[21:59:37] <scanty_> i'll look into that[22:00:10] <PulkoMandy> doesn't emulate 50Hz european nes and lacks a way to adjust sound mixing (regular channels sound a bit weak in comparison to ADPCM, but maybe that's just my ears)[22:00:16] <PulkoMandy> other than that, seems to work well[22:00:24] <scanty_> thanks[22:00:28] <scanty_> bbl[22:01:14] *** stargater has joined #haiku[22:02:32] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[22:04:36] *** luroh has joined #haiku[22:05:11] *** kcj has joined #haiku[22:06:08] *** Wizard has left #haiku[22:12:23] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[22:14:03] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[22:19:56] <AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy how do we install a hpkg that we got as a file and not from the depot?[22:21:23] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[22:22:53] <bbjimmy> AlienSoldier move it to /boot/home/confit/packages[22:23:10] <bbjimmy> *config[22:23:14] <AlienSoldier> ok[22:23:54] <AlienSoldier> bbjimmy what is the "administrative" folder is for?[22:24:41] <bbjimmy> good question... something to do with keeping track of what is installed I think.[22:25:13] <AlienSoldier> and once it is droped there, where is the ... exe to click on?[22:26:04] <bbjimmy> look in /boot/home/config/apps ... or maybe in the applications menu if the .hpkg added a link there.[22:26:42] <AlienSoldier> i see. A bit convoluted that whole process[22:27:17] <bbjimmy> but easier than running an installer ???[22:27:21] <AlienSoldier> i guess having to put and have an app in "config" is the thign that confuse me[22:27:58] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[22:28:42] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[22:29:23] <PulkoMandy> you can use /system/packages instead[22:29:44] <AlienSoldier> i think i installed non packaged things into system (like soundplay and all)[22:29:48] <PulkoMandy> (and the app will be in /system/apps then)[22:29:57] <bbjimmy> I like to reserve system/packages for programs that come wiyth the system.[22:30:12] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[22:30:39] <PulkoMandy> AlienSoldier: /system is read-only, but you can install non packaged stuff in /system/non-packaged[22:30:53] <PulkoMandy> or /boot/apps, that will still work :)[22:30:56] <AlienSoldier> and in system they sure go scary on you with all those pop up :)[22:31:22] <AlienSoldier> So non-packaged is just a convenience?[22:31:31] <AlienSoldier> a convenience directory[22:32:28] <bbjimmy> it is a user writable version of /boot/home/config, or /boot/system[22:32:53] <PulkoMandy> AlienSoldier: mostly, but it is supported by find_directory and the new find_path[22:33:04] <PulkoMandy> so apps will look there for data (fonts, etc)[22:33:37] <AlienSoldier> ha, monitoring[22:33:41] <AlienSoldier> i see[22:33:44] <bbjimmy> place a bin in non-packaged/bin and it is just like system/bin or config/bin. the system will find it.[22:33:48] <AlienSoldier> Pretendo don't start for me[22:33:55] <AlienSoldier> it "terminate"[22:35:22] *** stargater has quit IRC[22:35:39] <AlienSoldier> let see if i frr lot of memory[22:36:16] <AlienSoldier> no, same thing[22:37:28] <bbjimmy> just because it was pacjkaged does not mean it was tested.[22:38:21] <AlienSoldier> it start for PulkoMandy at least[22:39:29] <AlienSoldier> in terminal it say it set a bunch of mapper and then it terminate[22:43:32] <AlienSoldier> does the same in "syste"[22:43:36] <AlienSoldier> *system[22:44:45] <AlienSoldier> humm, emulator, perhaps a non catched color depth requirement[22:46:40] <AlienSoldier> nope. invalid opcode exeption. perhaps because i have a P4[22:46:57] <umccullough> heh[22:47:12] <umccullough> p4 should at least support sse[22:47:12] <Not-001> [haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/commits/[22:47:15] <Not-001> [haikuports] Adrien Destugues 1f18f91 - gcc: provides libstdc++.[22:47:40] <AlienSoldier> umccullough scanty like low level a lot, i will talk with him about it[22:48:02] <AlienSoldier> i suspect deep assembler at work :)[22:49:23] <AlienSoldier> our media player don't like dts in .wav the R5 VLC play the file fine[22:50:09] <AlienSoldier> this is a 5.1 album, not sure it output in 5.1 that said.[22:50:18] <AlienSoldier> i only have a prologic system[22:50:52] <umccullough> probably vlc just boils it down to stereo[22:51:11] <AlienSoldier> that is my guess[22:51:45] <AlienSoldier> wanted to try it in mediaplayer as i remember seeing all the track in the VU meter[22:51:53] <AlienSoldier> for 5.1 movie[22:52:52] <AlienSoldier> he, nice icon for the debugger, first time i see it :)[22:54:40] <jessicah> the administrative folder stores changes to the activation state[22:55:01] <jessicah> so in theory it'd be easy to rollback to a previous installation state[22:55:16] <AlienSoldier> jessicah and what is the activation state?[22:55:28] <jessicah> the set of packages that are currently marked as active[22:55:40] <AlienSoldier> i see[22:56:06] <jessicah> i believe you could have a hpkg in the packages folder but not activated[22:56:08] <AlienSoldier> installing app feel like being in Tron :P[22:56:36] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[22:56:39] <PulkoMandy> jessicah: yes, in case of missing dependencies for example[22:57:17] <AlienSoldier> i guess that app now are checked for data integrity now that they are in a container?[23:00:17] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[23:00:29] <PulkoMandy> not yet, but package signing is in our TODO list[23:00:39] <PulkoMandy> ask js about it, he has started some work[23:01:14] <AlienSoldier> as long as it happen i am happy. I used to always require that when working on industrial system.[23:01:39] <PulkoMandy> anyway, time to sleep here[23:01:39] <AlienSoldier> with flash disk now, i find that even more important[23:01:40] <PulkoMandy> 'night[23:01:43] <AlienSoldier> night[23:05:44] *** kkux has joined #haiku[23:06:53] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:07:45] *** PasNox has quit IRC[23:09:30] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:17:16] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[23:22:10] *** leszek has quit IRC[23:22:53] *** axeld has quit IRC[23:26:28] <js> AlienSoldier: there was quite some opposition to signing packages, so I dropped it. ingo might work on signing repositories, though.[23:39:56] *** [JJ]Albert has joined #haiku[23:51:12] *** DaaT has quit IRC[23:53:23] *** jua_ has quit IRC[23:53:55] <Ptrus> ~/Desktop> uptime[23:53:56] <Ptrus> Tue Apr 15 14:53:18 2014, up 14 days, 4 hours, 52 minutes[23:54:23] *** hamishm has quit IRC[23:58:44] *** kkux has quit IRC[23:59:01] *** kcj has quit IRC