April 14, 2014 
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April 14, 2014 [00:03:00] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[00:03:42] <scanty> .....[00:04:17] <Theoden> How do I change a read only file system folder to allow owner to write? chmod didn't do it.[00:04:36] <scanty_> you can't.[00:04:43] <scanty_> only package manager can write there.[00:04:54] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[00:05:12] <guillaum1> ok I have to look at haikuports...[00:05:59] <Theoden> I can't put wallpapers in the artwork folder now?[00:09:04] <KapiX> scanty_ I have no idea how to compile gcc4 package on gcc2, sorry[00:09:19] <bbjimmy> uillaum1 install sdl_gfx and it installs libSDL-1.2.so.0.11.4[00:09:31] <scanty_> I can't even fetch the package[00:09:42] <scanty_> i was told to get a gcc2h version of haiku[00:09:43] *** mikedld has quit IRC[00:09:44] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[00:09:47] <scanty_> which i did[00:09:53] <scanty_> and now i'm stuck with no boost[00:09:56] <gordonjcp> hm[00:10:08] *** mikedld has joined #haiku[00:10:11] <gordonjcp> I should probably just grab a new nightly and reinstall, eh[00:10:15] <Theoden> scanty_: I can't put wallpapers in the artwork folder now? Where am I supposed to put them then?[00:10:25] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[00:10:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[00:10:28] <scanty_> somewehre you can write to like in /home[00:10:37] <KapiX> Theoden, non-packaged[00:10:43] <Theoden> hmm[00:10:57] <bbjimmy> guillaum1 install sdl_gfx and it installs libSDL-1.2.so.0.11.4[00:13:03] <scanty_> damn i wish pulkomandy were around[00:13:06] <scanty_> he'd know what to do[00:13:14] <bbjimmy> Theoden The read-only nature of the PM system is the most frustrating part. once it is understood, one can work with it, but it still btes.[00:14:40] <Theoden> bbjimmy: And it is completely inviolable? It absolutely cannot be changed?[00:14:56] <guillaum1> bbjimmy: thanks ! But I don't know where to download sdl_gfx ... nothing in the HaikuDepot client. I'm a newbie, sry. I just try to compile a GUI for a JVM ported to Haiku. SDL seems the best way.[00:15:12] <bbjimmy> from haikudepot[00:15:19] <gordonjcp> Theoden: what exactly are you trying to do?[00:15:47] <bbjimmy> look for sdl, not libsdl[00:16:00] <Theoden> gordonjcp: Mostly just trying to see if users have full control over their systems, or if some things are taken away from us. Just learning.[00:16:52] <gordonjcp> Theoden: you have full control over your system. If you want to break it in creative and interesting ways, go right ahead[00:17:00] *** scanty_ has quit IRC[00:17:16] <scanty> well maybe i need to use gcc4h[00:17:19] <scanty> and not gcc2h[00:17:20] <scanty> ?[00:17:20] <gordonjcp> Theoden: don't forget that depending on exactly how you boot Haiku, some parts of the filesystem may be volatile[00:17:32] <Theoden> gordonjcp: I see.[00:17:35] <bbjimmy> It's just harder to do now.:-P[00:18:06] <gordonjcp> Theoden: in much the same way as if you boot any other OS from a live CD, stuff might not still be there when you reboot[00:18:21] *** stargater has quit IRC[00:19:24] <bbjimmy> scanty isn't there a directive in haikuporter to select the archetecture?[00:20:18] <scanty> if there is, i don't know it offhand[00:21:09] * bbjimmy looks[00:22:22] *** jua_ has quit IRC[00:22:41] <Theoden> gordonjcp: Is there an office suite for Haiku that actually works now>[00:23:13] <scanty> setarch x86 gives me gcc4, right?[00:23:31] <bbjimmy> in the shell[00:23:34] <guillaum1> bbjimmy: nothing with the x86 daily image GCC4: http://snag.gy/MSQ3o.jpg[00:25:25] <bbjimmy> need tobe on-line and refresh depots[00:25:33] <KapiX> bbjimmy, Pulkomandy suggested to use _x86 after port name, but that doesn't seem to work[00:25:41] <Theoden> Anyone - Is there an office suite for Haiku that actually works now>[00:26:34] <KapiX> Theoden, there are some Qt apps[00:26:34] <bbjimmy> Theoden not really.[00:27:07] <KapiX> but yes, "not really" is more accurate answer ;)[00:30:04] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[00:31:34] <Theoden> bbjimmy: Any QT ones tested and known to work?[00:32:10] <bbjimmy> good question[00:32:24] <jessicah> hi again Duggan :)[00:32:24] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[00:32:48] <bbjimmy> scanty haikuporter.config ... # TARGET_ARCHITECTURE: # The primary architectures you wish to compile recipes for. # Defaults to the current primary platform. #TARGET_ARCHITECTURE="x86_gcc2"[00:33:25] <bbjimmy> worth a try.[00:33:26] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[00:33:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[00:35:08] <gordonjcp> Theoden: no idea, I don't use office suites[00:35:36] <DaaT> Theoden, not that I'm aware, but you can try Google Docs[00:35:57] <bbjimmy> set TARGET_ARCHITECTURE="x86" should make a gcc4 .hpkg[00:37:25] * guillaum1 will try later and heads to bed.[00:37:39] <scanty> ah[00:37:42] <scanty> let me try that[00:38:24] *** guillaum1 has left #haiku[00:38:26] <bbjimmy> no idea, I haven't triedit. so much doesn't work as advsrtised.[00:40:21] <bbjimmy> darned nettop keyboard....[00:40:35] <bbjimmy> but at least it runs haiku.[00:40:52] <scanty> hey i think that fixed it[00:40:57] <scanty> it's now downloading boost finally![00:41:09] <bbjimmy> yay![00:41:55] <bbjimmy> This stuff needs to be easier to do.[00:41:55] <scanty> well t's getting the dependencies first[00:41:58] <scanty> but stil[00:42:00] <scanty> :-)[00:43:00] <KapiX> scanty, if you set TARGET_ARCHITECTURE to x86 it will build package for x86[00:43:06] <KapiX> you won't be able to install it[00:44:09] <bbjimmy> won't an x86 .hpkg install on a hybrid system?[00:44:15] <KapiX> no[00:44:28] <KapiX> because on hybrid system you need[00:44:35] <bbjimmy> hmmm i seem to remember doing just that.[00:44:40] <KapiX> boost_x86-version-x86_gcc2.hpkg[00:44:55] <KapiX> not boost-version-x86[00:45:05] <KapiX> well, maybe it will work[00:45:13] <KapiX> I didn't test it[00:45:13] <scanty> i dont' use the boost librarys[00:45:16] <scanty> just headers[00:45:19] <scanty> so it should be OK.[00:48:11] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[00:48:35] <scanty> we'll see[00:49:42] <scanty> oh man this transparent mouse thingy saved the day[00:50:01] *** DKnoto has joined #haiku[00:50:18] *** makalino has quit IRC[00:55:15] <scanty> be back a bit later[00:55:17] <scanty> thanks bbjimmy[00:55:30] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[00:55:31] <scanty> hopefully things will turn out ok :-)[00:58:12] <bbjimmy> :)[01:00:32] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[01:04:00] *** makalino has joined #haiku[01:04:29] *** pemdp has quit IRC[01:05:01] *** paul0 has quit IRC[01:05:17] *** DaaT has quit IRC[01:09:08] *** Theoden has quit IRC[01:12:55] *** ivi has left #haiku[01:19:02] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[01:22:59] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[01:27:24] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[01:30:35] *** KapiX has left #haiku[01:32:17] *** NumberNoid is now known as zz_NumberNoid[01:32:35] *** Theoden has joined #haiku[01:33:14] *** moribund112 has joined #haiku[01:34:03] <Theoden> How do I add local hosts to host file so Haiku will recognize them?[01:34:43] *** Duggan2 has joined #haiku[01:37:48] *** Duggan has quit IRC[01:37:48] *** Duggan2 is now known as Duggan[01:41:51] <IIsi50MHz> Maybe: "he hosts file should now be located in /boot/common/settings/network/"[01:42:03] <IIsi50MHz> From https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/3639[01:44:24] <Theoden> IIsi50MHz: That's what I thought and I put it there, but it does not resolve my lan machines.[01:48:45] <IIsi50MHz> Try converting the file to UNIX line endings?[01:52:55] <IIsi50MHz> In terminal, goto the folder which contains your hosts file, then try: cat hosts.txt | tr -d '\r' > hosts[01:53:19] <IIsi50MHz> Or...leave off the .txt, since you probably don't have a Windows file extension. (:[01:54:08] *** subcritical has joined #haiku[01:54:34] * IIsi50MHz pokes Theoden[01:55:19] *** Theoden has quit IRC[01:55:46] <IIsi50MHz> That explains the silence.[01:56:26] <hamishm__> I don't think /boot/common/settings/network is the right place[01:56:51] <IIsi50MHz> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/7362#comment:10[01:58:27] <IIsi50MHz> Hrm, probably shouldn't have scrolled you to that comment.[01:58:43] <IIsi50MHz> Anyway, I'm just guessing based on couple tickets.[02:00:47] <hamishm__> yeah, but we got rid of /boot/common[02:00:57] <hamishm__> looks like it's /boot/system/settings/network now[02:01:14] <IIsi50MHz> Ah. Good thing the guy got peered, then. >.>[02:02:30] <IIsi50MHz> I probably would have kept leading farther into Wonderland.[02:03:48] <hamishm__> heh[02:04:00] <hamishm__> well to be fair it's not very clearly sign posted[02:05:29] <IIsi50MHz> Would be kind to include a generic hosts file and irs.conf, with options explained inside, for all the *nix and Windows users, I guess.[02:06:18] <IIsi50MHz> Thinking of which, I don't even know if the current Haiku has a decent find-files tool in an obvious place.[02:06:55] <IIsi50MHz> I just wiped a Haiku install a couple weeks ago, to retask the machine for mum's bitcoin mining.[02:07:16] <IIsi50MHz> But first ran Installer to backup everything to USB>[02:07:41] <IIsi50MHz> Now I just need a machine that isn't busy doing something![02:11:30] *** rennj has joined #haiku[02:12:30] *** Theoden has joined #haiku[02:13:08] <Theoden> Damn network - I got cut off[02:13:15] <IIsi50MHz> wb.[02:13:28] <IIsi50MHz> hamishm__ has some better info for you.[02:13:47] <IIsi50MHz> 19:00:36 <hamishm__> looks like it's /boot/system/settings/network now[02:14:15] <Theoden> IIsi50MHz: thanks. I really need the help - this isn't working lin ke any other os I have used.[02:14:30] <Theoden> I'll give that a try[02:14:59] <IIsi50MHz> Also, read https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/7362 but note that the paths seem to be out of date.[02:15:12] <Duggan> this isn't any other OS that you've used ;)[02:15:29] <IIsi50MHz> i.e.: /boot/common isn't used anymore.[02:17:19] <Theoden> IIsi50MHz: That was it. Man they sure aren't trying to make this easy are they? :)[02:17:33] <IIsi50MHz> Yup.[02:18:19] <Theoden> Duggan: That seems obvious. But this information doesn't even seem to be available when I google or even search haiku-os.org[02:18:53] <Duggan> to be perfectly honest, I'm talking out my ass... I don't even know what the question was :/[02:19:08] *** rennj has quit IRC[02:19:11] <IIsi50MHz> Duggan: making hosts file work so LAN hosts resolve.[02:19:32] <IIsi50MHz> I searched: haiku-os "hosts file"[02:19:32] <Duggan> ok I don't have the slightest as to a resolution to that... not an area I'm familiar with[02:19:56] <IIsi50MHz> on duckduckgo, and found a tracker ticket. Then searched the tracker for: hosts file[02:20:17] <IIsi50MHz> And...ended up with outdated paths but otherwise interesting info.[02:21:57] <Theoden> IIsi50MHz: That's stuff that should be available on the website - or a wiki - or somewhere.[02:22:27] <IIsi50MHz> Wiki, since it's changing all the time, due to this being rather early development stage[02:22:41] <Theoden> Now if I could just get wireless working I might be able to live with the.[02:22:56] <Theoden> the = this[02:23:19] <IIsi50MHz> There's some sort of netcat hackery that gets some people on wifi...but I don't know it.[02:23:55] <IIsi50MHz> Except for handheld devices, I prefer wired networking. *tries to talk himself out of wanting wifi*[02:24:00] <Theoden> Well - I've tried everyhting I've read - and everything I know. So far, nada.[02:30:54] <Duggan> what is the best place to get the latest version of paladin?[02:31:05] <Duggan> sourceforge?[02:31:31] *** rennj has joined #haiku[02:33:29] <Theoden> Gotta run for now. Than ks IIsi50MHz and all - appreciate the help.[02:33:32] *** Theoden has quit IRC[02:47:33] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[02:49:35] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[03:00:49] *** Theoden has joined #haiku[03:01:19] <Theoden> IIsi50MHz: Still around?[03:02:41] <IIsi50MHz> Ayup[03:03:47] * IIsi50MHz trawls through https://trello.com/b/iAr1tEmh/how-to-trick-out-your-dev-machine to see how much this can be applied to Haiku or other stuff he uses[03:03:48] <Theoden> IIsi50MHz: How often do you recommend installing a new nightly?[03:04:26] <IIsi50MHz> Since I've only Haiku on a bootable USB drive, I don't update that often.[03:04:58] <IIsi50MHz> I don't even think about it much until I hear that some major niceness has happened.[03:05:08] <Theoden> K[03:05:19] <IIsi50MHz> Like the beginnings of video support in WebPositive.[03:05:38] <IIsi50MHz> So, I've a merge to do now actually.[03:05:38] <Theoden> Do you recommend upgrade 'into' the current installed version? or always a clean install.[03:05:50] <IIsi50MHz> Clean is always safer.[03:06:22] <Theoden> That's true on all oses I guess.[03:06:51] <IIsi50MHz> There's also this, which I haven't tried yet: https://github.com/haiku/haiku/blob/master/3rdparty/mmu_man/scripts/myupdate.sh[03:07:33] <IIsi50MHz> I'd suggest keeping at least two partitions or discs for Haiku installs.[03:08:45] <IIsi50MHz> Boot from one, use Installer to copy everything to the second partition. Then run the update script on the second partition.[03:09:11] <IIsi50MHz> Or boot the latest nightly, run the installer, and tell it to install on top of the second partition.[03:09:32] <IIsi50MHz> Either way, if you haven't changed the first partition, you still have a system. (:[03:11:10] <Theoden> Makes sense.[03:12:38] <IIsi50MHz> Counter-intuitive, but kinda handy that the Haiku Installer doesn't install vanilla Haiku; instead, it install everything that's on boot volume.[03:13:13] <Theoden> Does bash use the same syntax in scripts as in linux?[03:13:14] <IIsi50MHz> So once you get a configured system, Installer becomes your backup software.[03:13:27] <IIsi50MHz> Eh...I don't use bash much.[03:13:46] <IIsi50MHz> Used to use it in Ubuntu for work, but that was a while ago.[03:13:58] <Theoden> I do a lot of b ash scripting in linux - just wondered how different they may have made it here.[03:17:58] *** Xenmen_alt has joined #haiku[03:19:53] *** Xenmen has quit IRC[03:26:33] *** vgezer has quit IRC[03:26:53] <Duggan> I try to keep two bootable partitions at all times... one to use, one to test[03:28:08] * IIsi50MHz hugs ShareMouse[03:28:36] <IIsi50MHz> I've two dual-monitor PCs next to each other and being able to slide the mouse from one to another is great.[03:29:07] <Duggan> freaky[03:29:13] <IIsi50MHz> Although...I seem to have broken clipboard sharing by upgrading one of them to Win7? Used to work with the same software.[03:29:24] <IIsi50MHz> Can also drag files from one machine to another as though on the same desktop.[03:29:29] <Duggan> nice[03:29:32] <Duggan> what about kbd?[03:29:38] <IIsi50MHz> included.[03:29:41] <Duggan> epic[03:30:02] <Duggan> thats one fancy kvm switch you've got there (minus the 'v' apparently)[03:30:16] <IIsi50MHz> And config is waaay easier than Synergy.[03:30:35] <IIsi50MHz> Just start the software on two machines, move the mouse in the direction of the other machine.[03:30:49] <IIsi50MHz> No need to drag little monitor icons around or mess with settings.[03:30:54] <Duggan> nice[03:31:20] <Duggan> now if it only worked across OSes... ;)[03:31:23] <IIsi50MHz> But I messed with them anyway, to turn on encryption.[03:31:27] <IIsi50MHz> Well...[03:32:20] <Theoden> Well - back to work. Later.[03:32:25] *** Theoden has quit IRC[03:32:40] <IIsi50MHz> OS X and Windows.[03:32:55] <IIsi50MHz> I will miss it when I boot Haiku, though.[03:33:36] <Duggan> when I'm active in Haiku, there is no other OS :P[03:34:39] <IIsi50MHz> Have clone ShareMouse, then.[03:34:42] <IIsi50MHz> Have to*[03:35:08] <IIsi50MHz> Closed source so...protocol reverse engineering time.[03:38:08] <Duggan> screw that... OSS alternative from scratch :P[03:38:24] <IIsi50MHz> There are OSS alternatives...and they suck.[03:38:38] <IIsi50MHz> So, _new_ OSS alternative?[03:39:26] <Duggan> yes.[03:39:31] * jessicah is setting up her new intel nuc system[03:39:41] <jessicah> hopefully this time my key works[03:39:45] <Duggan> no no no... you're SUPPOSED to be working on EFI![03:39:49] <Duggan> back to work, jessicah![03:39:58] <IIsi50MHz> Well, it has UEFI, doesn't it?[03:40:02] * Duggan cracks his whip.[03:40:09] * IIsi50MHz whispers to jessicah "Say yes."[03:40:23] * Duggan slaps IIsi50MHz.[03:40:25] <Duggan> you stay out of this[03:40:36] * IIsi50MHz is slapped[03:40:51] <jessicah> it's so i can convert my mini-itx box into a pure dev/test machine :)[03:41:29] *** epigraph has quit IRC[03:41:36] <Duggan> how does that fit into the grand scheme of things? :P[03:41:54] <IIsi50MHz> Well, after EFI she'll be porting Scheme.[03:41:55] <jessicah> my mini-itx box has uefi[03:42:13] <Duggan> ...[03:42:17] * Duggan waits for the punchline.[03:42:18] <IIsi50MHz> And then the deluge of Lisp programmers will start, forever bonding Haiku with AI hackers.[03:42:20] <jessicah> it'll run dual-boot unbuntu & haiku eventually[03:42:33] <Duggan> sacrilege![03:42:34] <jessicah> currently my compile times are like 10-15 minutes[03:42:39] <jessicah> because i use a VM[03:42:47] <jessicah> so now builds will be like 1-2 minutes[03:42:54] <jessicah> and i can reboot often[03:43:04] <Duggan> assuming you can boot at all...[03:43:07] <Duggan> *ahem*[03:43:15] <jessicah> and move my windows installation off the mini-itx and onto my intel nuc system[03:43:22] <jessicah> hmm?[03:43:25] *** Theoden has joined #haiku[03:43:36] <Duggan> :P[03:43:46] <jessicah> and eventually, i'll have my replacement airbook too[03:44:00] <IIsi50MHz> Thinking of replacement--[03:44:19] * IIsi50MHz is off to change a bandaid[03:44:35] <Duggan> I'll reask since it wasn't answered earlier... where's the best place to get a current version of paladin?[03:44:38] *** Theoden has quit IRC[03:44:39] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[03:44:57] <Duggan> apparently it doesn't like the layout of things these days[03:45:14] <Duggan> well, the source doesn't I mean[03:47:25] *** Theoden has joined #haiku[03:50:15] *** Theoden has quit IRC[03:51:16] *** Theoden has joined #haiku[03:51:38] *** Barrett has quit IRC[03:51:47] <jessicah> uh someone had a package that appeared to work[03:52:16] <Duggan> not in the depot, haven't seen any references to it any time recently via searching[03:53:27] *** Theoden has quit IRC[03:53:42] <jessicah> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15787359/paladin-1.3-x86_gcc2.hpkg[03:55:04] <IIsi50MHz> Interesting; that seems to be mentioned in the first result when searching for: paladin hpkg[03:58:55] <Duggan> didn't search for hpkg :P[03:59:13] <Duggan> besides... missing some libs :P[03:59:18] <Duggan> I'll figure it out in a bit... brb[03:59:29] <IIsi50MHz> Didn't think of it until jessicah linked.[04:01:45] <jessicah> blargle, can't download windows iso[04:01:49] <jessicah> stupid proxy servers[04:02:28] <IIsi50MHz> http://www.mydigitallife.info/official-windows-7-sp1-iso-from-digital-river/[04:02:41] <IIsi50MHz> http://www.mydigitallife.info/download-windows-7-iso-official-32-bit-and-64-bit-direct-download-links/[04:02:58] <jessicah> 8.1[04:03:08] <IIsi50MHz> Blagh[04:03:44] * IIsi50MHz pastes the last one anyway, just because http://www.mydigitallife.info/how-to-select-any-edition-or-version-sku-of-windows-7-to-install-from-single-edition-dvd-disc-media-or-iso/[04:04:13] <IIsi50MHz> Used those at my last job to build recovery discs for refurbed Lenovo laptops[04:05:23] <IIsi50MHz> All I see are: http://www.mydigitallife.info/windows-8-1-update-official-downloads-kb2919355-microsoft-download-center/[04:05:32] <IIsi50MHz> http://www.mydigitallife.info/windows-8-1-update-iso-released-leaked-msdn-technet-windows-update/[04:06:11] <jessicah> hmm, it still uses that ei.cfg file[04:06:14] * jessicah tries removes it[04:07:41] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[04:09:05] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[04:11:06] <scanty> anyone having troubles building tar 1.2.7?[04:11:38] <jessicah> oh i've been using the wrong image :([04:11:46] <Duggan> derp[04:11:52] <jessicah> very derp[04:12:47] <Duggan> ;)[04:15:23] <jessicah> what the heckle... about 1.5 hours to extract iso...[04:15:34] <jessicah> so fail[04:18:26] <Duggan> it's all your fault too[04:21:02] * Duggan sings: "There's been a load of compromisin' on the road to my horizon, but I'm gonna be where the lights are shinin' on meeeeee.... Like a Rhinestone Cowboy riding out on a horse in a star-spangled rodeo..."[04:22:14] <Duggan> ears bleeding yet?[04:22:53] *** Duggan3 has joined #haiku[04:23:07] <Duggan3> typical...[04:26:41] *** Duggan has quit IRC[04:26:41] *** Duggan3 is now known as Duggan[04:28:25] <jessicah> yep[04:28:51] <Duggan> that's what she said...[04:29:51] <Duggan> had to say that... just once..[04:31:38] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[04:32:52] <Duggan> greetings, BitPuffin[04:33:24] <BitPuffin> oi Duggan matie[04:34:33] <Duggan> hey, chap... how's things?[04:34:52] <jessicah> my usb key must be dying... this is ridiculously slow[04:34:58] <jessicah> 1 more minute to go[04:35:28] <Duggan> is EFI done yet? are you sure it's the computer that's ridiculously slow? :P[04:36:09] <jessicah> okay, it's not the computer[04:36:20] <jessicah> i'm just slow at etching raw silicon by hand[04:36:35] * Duggan gasps in astonishment![04:36:46] <jessicah> so any zeroes and ones[04:37:02] <jessicah> many*[04:37:07] <BitPuffin> Duggan: pretty aight! What about you?[04:37:09] <jessicah> and typos like that is why it takes so long[04:37:09] <Duggan> pros do it a byte at a time ;)[04:37:23] <Duggan> BitPuffin doing alright.... now... you?[04:37:26] <Duggan> oh I asked :P[04:37:35] <Duggan> haha I always forget :P anyway, yeah[04:37:39] <BitPuffin> Duggan: good, and.. you? :D[04:37:44] <Duggan> fine thanks... you?[04:37:46] <Duggan> :P[04:38:23] <BitPuffin> hmmmm[04:38:25] <BitPuffin> pretty well actually[04:38:27] <BitPuffin> how are you?[04:38:42] <Duggan> better than yesterday, believe it or not[04:38:45] <Duggan> and yourself?[04:39:11] <jessicah> ...[04:39:33] <BitPuffin> well to me there was no yesterday because I didn't go to bed, I just went to work instead, and you?[04:40:37] <Duggan> yesterday?... well that's a long story...[04:40:57] <Duggan> sorry jessicah didn't mean to leave you out... how are you?[04:40:59] <BitPuffin> tell me aaaaaalll about it chap[04:41:13] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[04:41:23] *** pdziepak has quit IRC[04:41:49] <Duggan> well, it all started around 6pm....[04:42:17] <jessicah> i'm sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeepy[04:42:19] <Duggan> er well... to make it semi-short, I got in touch with my ex-gf...[04:42:25] <BitPuffin> uh-oh[04:42:38] <BitPuffin> nah jk, carry on[04:43:37] <Duggan> bah well, I was an ass... needed room... scared her off... again... long story[04:43:50] <Duggan> ah, I'm sorry to hear that jessicah.... I'm fine, thanks for asking... and you? :P[04:44:28] <Duggan> erm the "again..." and "long story" go together, not the "scared her off..." and "again..."[04:44:39] <Duggan> just to clarify :P[04:44:47] <BitPuffin> now you just made me confused[04:44:49] <BitPuffin> haha[04:45:03] <Duggan> s/again... long story/again: long story[04:45:10] <BitPuffin> ah[04:45:12] <BitPuffin> haha[04:45:14] <BitPuffin> yeah I got that[04:45:17] <Duggan> ok good :P[04:45:35] <jessicah> hmm. i was an ass to my best friend on saturday night also. and now everything is broken[04:45:47] <Duggan> jessicah, serves you right :P[04:45:50] <jessicah> ._.[04:45:56] <Duggan> jk jk jk[04:45:57] <Duggan> ;)[04:47:38] <BitPuffin> wow that was nice Duggan[04:47:46] <BitPuffin> the atmosphere here is not positive![04:48:00] <Duggan> it's because you showed up :P[04:48:08] <BitPuffin> WELL I AM LEAVING THEN OK[04:48:10] <Duggan> you and your c++ hatin' negativity[04:48:19] <Duggan> no you're not, we have work to do...[04:48:22] <BitPuffin> yeah[04:48:28] <BitPuffin> I'm writing obj-c[04:48:31] <BitPuffin> \o/[04:48:36] * BitPuffin shoots himself in the face[04:48:44] <Duggan> lol I would too :P[04:49:18] * IIsi50MHz jumps on the functional programming wagon, scoffs at C++[04:49:37] * IIsi50MHz tries not to look like an old fogey[04:49:37] <Duggan> IIsi50MHz, bugger off :P[04:49:46] <Duggan> lol[04:49:57] <Duggan> yeah us old folks that like to be able to DO stuff with programs we write :P[04:50:03] <Duggan> shame on us[04:50:15] <BitPuffin> Duggan: I think we should write Drafter in Haskell, for science[04:50:28] * Duggan shoots BitPuffin in the face[04:50:37] * BitPuffin is already dead from previous bullet[04:50:58] <Duggan> I don't pay you to think[04:51:11] <jessicah> finally! serial number accepted![04:51:33] * Duggan snickers and keeps his comments to himself.[04:51:59] <BitPuffin> Duggan: you don't pay me at all[04:52:06] <Duggan> BitPuffin, that's beside the point![04:52:09] <BitPuffin> which I guess includes not paying me to think[04:52:19] <Duggan> exactly[04:52:22] <Duggan> stop guessing too...[04:52:25] * IIsi50MHz gets out a copy of Fo[04:52:33] <IIsi50MHz> er[04:52:37] <Duggan> lol[04:53:33] <BitPuffin> am I allowed to do anything?[04:53:48] <IIsi50MHz> backspace next to enter Sucks†[04:53:48] <Duggan> c++.... AND LIKE IT![04:54:05] <Duggan> brb[04:54:07] <BitPuffin> Duggan: I refuse![04:54:43] * IIsi50MHz gets out a copy of FutureBASIC^2[05:04:53] *** _marc` has quit IRC[05:05:42] <scanty> i'm trying to update tar[05:05:50] <scanty> but it relies on a newer tar[05:05:53] <scanty> how can this be?[05:17:50] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[05:20:36] <jessicah> voodoo[05:22:30] <scanty> it's marked as untested.[05:22:34] <scanty> so i changed the recipe.[05:22:51] <scanty> i'll probably break something somewhere.[05:22:54] <scanty> oh well.[05:39:01] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[05:44:46] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[05:59:30] *** auronandace has quit IRC[06:12:13] *** auronandace has joined #haiku[06:50:39] *** MatthewH12` has quit IRC[07:19:13] *** makalino is now known as MauriceK[07:34:21] *** Guest24226 has quit IRC[07:34:36] *** soakbot has joined #haiku[07:37:19] *** kcj has joined #haiku[07:39:34] <Duggan> hey kcj :)[07:39:49] <kcj> ![07:39:51] <kcj> !!!![07:39:59] * kcj pounces on Duggan[07:40:10] <Duggan> ah yes... another faithful minion ;)[07:40:30] <Duggan> being an overlord has it's perks ;)[07:40:35] <Duggan> lol hey kcj how's things?[07:41:03] <kcj> Pretty good.[07:41:09] <Duggan> glad to hear it :)[07:41:21] <kcj> I don't think I've actually talked to you in over a year.[07:41:42] <Duggan> closer to 2 I think[07:41:58] *** kkux has quit IRC[07:42:01] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[07:42:07] <Duggan> greetings PulkoMandy[07:42:12] <PulkoMandy> hi[07:45:14] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[07:45:44] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[07:47:54] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[07:49:53] <Duggan> later all.... off to do that whole sleep thing so I can try to do that work thing...[07:50:03] *** stargater has joined #haiku[07:50:22] *** Duggan has quit IRC[08:07:41] *** kcj has quit IRC[08:11:50] *** stargater has quit IRC[08:22:55] *** fhein has joined #haiku[08:36:36] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[08:37:30] *** alpha123 has quit IRC[08:39:02] *** alpha123 has joined #haiku[08:39:30] *** Xenmen_alt has quit IRC[09:05:14] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[09:13:40] *** tgkokk has joined #haiku[09:13:49] *** tgkokk` has joined #haiku[09:14:01] *** tgkokk` has quit IRC[09:14:43] *** tgkokk has quit IRC[09:15:17] *** tgkokk has joined #haiku[09:17:09] *** Vidiot_X has joined #haiku[09:20:28] *** _3dEyes has joined #haiku[09:48:07] *** narendraj9 has joined #haiku[09:52:43] *** fhein has quit IRC[09:54:23] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[09:54:47] *** avril14th has joined #haiku[09:55:06] <AlienSoldier> ho jeez, the vision mouse bug in Haiku is still there :([10:01:41] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[10:02:24] *** [JJ]Albert has quit IRC[10:03:12] <IIsi50MHz> Hrm, can't use mmu_man's MyUpdate.sh to update from hrev47020.[10:03:44] <IIsi50MHz> Or I misunderstand what sort of update it's meant to do.[10:07:00] *** Muzer has quit IRC[10:08:57] *** Muzer has joined #haiku[10:09:27] <IIsi50MHz> Ah, now I get it.[10:09:36] <IIsi50MHz> Just needed to read more carefully[10:16:39] *** kkux has joined #haiku[10:17:15] *** epigraph has joined #haiku[10:17:17] *** tgkokk has quit IRC[10:26:49] *** jessicah_ has joined #haiku[10:27:54] *** jessicah has quit IRC[10:37:30] <IIsi50MHz> Ok, odd.[10:37:43] <IIsi50MHz> I just ran Installer from one USB to another.[10:37:49] *** freedomrun has quit IRC[10:38:25] <IIsi50MHz> The final install was about half the size of the parent install, and trying to boot from it results in "Missing operating system" during boot.[10:42:06] <IIsi50MHz> Original USB is still bootable.[10:42:31] * IIsi50MHz sets down to thank (think)[10:47:11] *** jessicah_ is now known as jessicah[10:48:08] <IIsi50MHz> Well, starting over. Erase partition, add BeOS partition, format as BeFS,, run Installer, watch progress bar stay at about 5% for a few minutes until suddenly it races to 100% in less than a half second.[10:48:46] <IIsi50MHz> O there's a pause at about 20% as well.[10:49:18] <IIsi50MHz> And...now the progressbar is behaving normally.[10:49:20] <IIsi50MHz> Excellent.[10:50:14] *** narendraj9 has quit IRC[10:50:51] *** freedomrun has joined #haiku[10:52:13] <IIsi50MHz> Hmm, tried Write Bootsector for the new USB. Still doesn't boot.[10:52:38] <IIsi50MHz> Maybe I'll figure it out while sleeping.[10:58:36] <Not-001> [haikuports] korli pushed 5 commits to master [+1/-1/±2] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/commits/[10:58:39] <Not-001> [haikuports] KapiX cf1fd87 - Updated glew (glewinfo working, visualinfo still missing)[10:58:42] <Not-001> [haikuports] KapiX 1ba1ff4 - Removed redundant changes from glew patchset[10:58:45] <Not-001> [haikuports] KapiX d078fa5 - glew: add missing secondaryArchSuffix macros[10:58:48] <Not-001> [haikuports] KapiX 8fb7b5b - glew: removed unnecessary haiku_devel from BUILD_PREREQUIRES[10:58:51] <Not-001> [haikuports] korli 486925e - glew: merge KapiX/haikuports/glew (pull request #160) Updated recipe (added glewinfo)[11:14:13] *** tgkokk has joined #haiku[11:14:58] *** siel has quit IRC[11:16:23] *** _marc` has quit IRC[11:23:47] <arfonzo> morning, Haiku friends[11:28:25] *** leszek has joined #haiku[11:28:50] <leszek> hi[11:38:48] *** OmniMancer has joined 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too bad Linux doesn't run on this (and nor does Haiku) :([17:41:54] *** DKnoto has joined #haiku[17:46:28] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[17:49:32] * humdinger is idle: BRB[17:51:22] *** hackkitten has quit IRC[17:51:35] *** hackkitten has joined #haiku[17:53:35] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[17:56:15] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[18:03:34] *** subcritical has joined #haiku[18:06:26] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[18:13:12] <xybre> PulkoMandy: If it has a CPU Linux can probably be compiled for it.[18:13:49] <PulkoMandy> the CPU is ARM, and the GPU is Mali400... but that's far from making it useful, sadly[18:16:43] <xybre> Linux runs on ARM, not sure about the GPU.[18:16:58] <xybre> Most GPUs support a fallback video settings though.[18:17:15] <PulkoMandy> Mali400 is mostly supported, it's quite common[18:17:44] <xybre> Hmm, okay, so whats the problem then?[18:18:01] <PulkoMandy> but you still need to setup the GPIOs, setup the LCD driver, keyboard scanning (however that is done), read/write support to internal flash or SD card, ...[18:18:16] <PulkoMandy> USB could be useful as well[18:18:59] <PulkoMandy> and the chip used doesn't even have an entry on the manufacturer website, so no documentation about all this stuff[18:26:00] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:31:40] <gordonjcp> PulkoMandy: it runs Linux if it runs Android...[18:33:08] <gordonjcp> if you wanted to make a modern BeBox you'd just find an ARM SoC with IP licensing you could live with, and get a Chinese manufacturer to build a machine based on the standard application note for it[18:33:39] <gordonjcp> or MIPS, for that matter, let's not leave Loongson out of this[18:35:16] <mmu_man> PPC\o/[18:42:24] <PulkoMandy> gordonjcp: it seems they didn't share the kernel sources for this chip :([18:43:09] <PulkoMandy> so, yes, technically it does run Linux. But Haiku would be better anyway[18:55:30] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[19:06:16] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[19:08:03] <AlienSoldier> any one have MDR Gmail retreival working in Haiku? I seem to have the same setting as in my R5 partition but i can only send email[19:08:09] *** tqh has quit IRC[19:08:10] <AlienSoldier> in Pop3[19:09:30] <humdinger> AlienSoldier: hasn't worked for over a year, I guess.[19:09:50] <humdinger> one day Google has changed something. and poof....[19:10:10] <humdinger> Have been using the weinterface ever since.[19:10:33] <humdinger> Which isn't too bad with the newer Web+, but PulkoMandy has to have a look at the recent performance drop... :)[19:12:08] <AlienSoldier> humdinger weid that the R5 MDR still work fine[19:12:26] <AlienSoldier> could it not read the 995 port correctly?[19:13:42] <humdinger> no idea... we're all waiting for axeld to merge his IMAP branch for about a year now... :)[19:13:49] <AlienSoldier> humdinger while i am at it, do you still have the mouse pointer corruption when running Vision, i think i remembered this was fixed at one point.[19:13:50] *** TheHitMan has joined #haiku[19:13:58] <humdinger> To be honest, I'm getting used to the webinterface.[19:14:04] *** TheHitMan has left #haiku[19:14:23] <humdinger> wasn't that some hardware cursor issue (on nvidia)?[19:14:36] <AlienSoldier> yes i have Nvidia[19:14:41] <humdinger> I have those, but have set the right option in the nvidia file[19:14:52] <AlienSoldier> then i probably thought it was solved because i was on another machine[19:15:38] <humdinger> you have ~/config/settings/kernel/driver/nvidia.settings file?[19:15:45] <AlienSoldier> it really suck, especially the part where i have no pointer at all unit i see the corrupted one :)[19:16:07] <humdinger> Just set "hardcursor false" in that file and you're good.[19:16:49] <AlienSoldier> i don't seem to have that file[19:17:16] <humdinger> take this: http://sprunge.us/fVEI[19:17:41] <humdinger> only the hardcursor setting was altered, the rest is the defaults[19:17:55] <AlienSoldier> perfect[19:17:58] <AlienSoldier> thanx[19:18:02] <humdinger> np[19:18:25] <AlienSoldier> i now have Haiku on my main machine and the little problem propblem from everywhere :)[19:18:33] <humdinger> maybe I should create a ticket to include that file by default.[19:19:39] <AlienSoldier> i think it should be default until fixed because when the cursor disapear you really think the input server died unless you are patient. And as vision is a major "support" ressource it should not happen.[19:20:15] <humdinger> I wonder though, why only Vision is affected.[19:20:27] <humdinger> Other apps change the pointer bitmap too.[19:21:00] <AlienSoldier> if i remember it was also present in another app i forgot, it is related to the cursor changing from view to others[19:21:50] <humdinger> You're maybe right... makes sense that it's not just in Vision.[19:22:17] <AlienSoldier> another problem i have with MDR is the notification is intrusive[19:22:50] <AlienSoldier> the "never" option don't seem to take place and the panel seem set to always on top (so it pop up in movies)[19:23:02] *** vgezer has joined #haiku[19:23:19] <humdinger> AlienSoldier: isn't it yet using the system notifications?[19:24:46] <AlienSoldier> perhaps, but i don't see it listed in the app list (i don't know much how this is working)[19:25:04] <humdinger> app list?[19:25:16] <humdinger> oh in the prefs.[19:25:36] <humdinger> dunno how those work either...[19:25:53] <AlienSoldier> yes, in the General Display (notification) tab[19:26:05] <humdinger> Also, I guess MDR doesn't use it yet. Probably again, wait for axel's IMAP merge.[19:27:23] <AlienSoldier> i guess i will have to bug him :) i really need a fast email notification to be able to work in haiku, or else it is back to R5 and i will not be able to test like i wish[19:28:12] <AlienSoldier> i don't even seem to have an error message[19:28:22] <AlienSoldier> email just don't get in[19:28:34] <humdinger> yep. I know.[19:28:58] <humdinger> Maybe PulkoMandy can get some GMail notifications going before axel merges...[19:29:19] <AlienSoldier> the enable notification seem to at least work, i can disable it that way[19:29:43] *** Xenmen has quit IRC[19:31:22] <AlienSoldier> it show "server... X/2" with the X incrementing at each fetching attempt[19:32:10] <humdinger> Maybe Beam works better. I dunno, does it have notifications?[19:33:20] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[19:33:22] <AlienSoldier> i have not tested it yet. That is a workaround i guess. But i always preffered MDR, i guess having used it for more than 10 year burned-in in my brain :)[19:33:44] <humdinger> I feel the same way.[19:36:32] <AlienSoldier> humdinger[19:36:36] <AlienSoldier> where is:[19:36:39] <AlienSoldier> # This file should be moved to the directory[19:36:39] <AlienSoldier> # ~/config/settings/kernel/drivers/[19:37:18] <humdinger> what do you mean "where is"?[19:37:18] <Skipp_OSX> what does MDR stand for?[19:37:27] <humdinger> Mail Daemon Replacement[19:38:32] <AlienSoldier> humdinger nv i found it in /boot/home/config/settings/kernel, i was looking for it in system instead of home[19:38:55] <humdinger> ok[19:42:21] <AlienSoldier> time to reboot and see if that fix the cursor[19:42:27] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[19:44:16] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[19:44:46] <AlienSoldier> humdinger cursor fully operational now :)[19:45:07] *** tqh has joined #haiku[19:45:12] <humdinger> nice![19:45:22] <humdinger> always good to see where one clicks around.[19:46:28] *** roptat has joined #haiku[19:46:43] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[19:48:29] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[19:48:54] <AlienSoldier> humm, i wonder if that is related to the cursor but i notice a lag in changing workspace, it stay black some seconds as if a resolution change what happening but they are all at the same setting[19:49:51] <humdinger> don't see that at all.[19:49:59] <humdinger> you sure the settings the same for all?[19:50:35] <AlienSoldier> it only seem to affect my workspace 1, yes same setting, i will change them with "all" again[19:51:36] <AlienSoldier> humdinger weird, it now work. I will have to remember to see if this happen at each boot[19:52:01] <humdinger> works after re-setting them "all"?[19:52:05] <AlienSoldier> yes[19:52:11] <AlienSoldier> changed to 16bit then back to 32[19:52:26] <humdinger> maybe you just had slightly different refresh rates?[19:52:32] <humdinger> those are easily overlooked[19:52:42] <AlienSoldier> the pannel reported the same setting every place[19:52:42] *** axeld has joined #haiku[19:52:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[19:52:54] <humdinger> ah, the IMAP guy... :)[19:53:43] <AlienSoldier> axeld i need to know with pop3 is not fetching my email in MDR (while it does in R5)[19:53:47] <AlienSoldier> *why[19:54:13] <AlienSoldier> SMPT work[19:54:34] <PulkoMandy> AlienSoldier: the mode change on workspace switch is a known bug[19:55:02] <PulkoMandy> we have a workaround in the intel_extreme driver to abort if the requested mode is the same as the current one, I guess this should be moved up in the app_server[19:55:18] <PulkoMandy> workspaces already does some filtering but doesn't always get it right[19:55:32] <PulkoMandy> and, running SDL apps tends to mess things up further[19:55:54] <AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy ty. Btw i found a site that seem to have a render bug not dissimilar to the slashdot title bug http://classicgameroom.com/[19:56:02] <PulkoMandy> as for MDR, I think I had implemented BNotification support, so that should work. But maybe I never finished that[19:57:05] <PulkoMandy> mh[19:57:14] <PulkoMandy> the background renders all black instead of white?[19:57:18] <AlienSoldier> yes[19:57:26] <AlienSoldier> need to do a select all to be able to read[19:58:55] <AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy also 2 question about webpositive, are those feature present an i don't know how to operate them: resume with the same opened tab after closing, and tab position reordering?[19:59:13] <PulkoMandy> no[20:00:00] <AlienSoldier> in firefox i used a trick, crashing the browser instead of closing it, so it was resuming on restart :)[20:00:20] <AlienSoldier> crashing as in killing the task[20:00:23] *** bebop-haiku has joined #haiku[20:01:02] <AlienSoldier> well, i miss the resume feature :) The reordering was nice but it does not bother me as much.[20:02:06] <Skipp_OSX> as far as reordering goes... it would be nice if it could be used in terminal too[20:02:49] <Skipp_OSX> but I wonder if instead of adding smarter tabs we'll use S&T to take over that responsibility[20:03:22] <Skipp_OSX> so, instead of adding a new tab in a Window you'll add a new Window that is next in the tab group[20:03:43] <AlienSoldier> Jessica worked on something like that at one poin[20:03:46] <AlienSoldier> *point[20:04:39] <Skipp_OSX> It seems like that would by a really elegant way to solve the problem, plus, each "tab", being a window, would have it's own thread[20:05:59] <PulkoMandy> I did that for NetSurf[20:06:08] <AlienSoldier> i would not "turn" webpositive into that but it sure could be an alternative browser[20:06:12] <PulkoMandy> having their own threads doesn't really matter for WebKit[20:06:19] <PulkoMandy> everything happens in the BApplication thread[20:06:27] <PulkoMandy> it just hands BBitmap for the views to draw[20:06:52] <PulkoMandy> (that's WebKit design, not much we can do about it)[20:07:00] <Skipp_OSX> oh well[20:07:51] <PulkoMandy> anyway, the problem with S&T is some missing features to do this, like the ability to have favicons[20:08:15] <AlienSoldier> i noticed ubber tuber don't have a "quality" setting. I am stuck with getting the HD version of videos with it[20:08:16] *** avril14th has quit IRC[20:08:36] <Skipp_OSX> PulkoMandy, hmmm well, you wouldn't need to have favicons per-say[20:09:21] <AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy would be nice if we could have replicant in the tabs, like in deskbar[20:09:22] <Skipp_OSX> Safari for instance doesn't put favicons in the tabs, it only puts them in the URL bar[20:10:14] <Skipp_OSX> AlienSoldier, I really don't think that's a very good idea...[20:11:52] <PulkoMandy> Skipp_OSX: right. but there are other problems like possibly cluttering the deskbar[20:12:06] <PulkoMandy> not necessarily a downside, but something to think about[20:12:37] <Skipp_OSX> PulkoMandy, I actually think listing each tab-window in the Deskbar could have benefits[20:13:15] <AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy does the clipping you talked about in Webpositive also shared with the whole desktop or is it special code for the browser?[20:13:30] <Skipp_OSX> Also, I wonder if the so-called WebKit 2 might be able to support per-tab threads[20:13:54] <PulkoMandy> AlienSoldier: it's new methods in BView[20:14:06] <PulkoMandy> available for other apps, but no one uses it yet[20:14:15] <PulkoMandy> Skipp_OSX: WebKit2 is probably overkill, actually[20:14:56] <Skipp_OSX> well, either way, since you've already done the work in NetSurf we could probably copy your method in both Web+ and Terminal[20:14:57] <AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy ok,i was wondering if it could be optimized as moving windows around do not refresh fast at my taste.[20:15:01] <PulkoMandy> with the BeAPI design, we could just spawn a BApplication for each thread and have the BBitmap share memory between the "frontend" browser (with the window) and the "backend" apps (doing the rendering, one per tab)[20:15:13] <freakazoid0223> AlienSoldier, I use the same trick for firefox first I used top then pkill firefox using the up arrow to execute from history :D[20:15:21] <PulkoMandy> Skipp_OSX: it's super easy, there is an API for stacking windows[20:15:30] <PulkoMandy> no real need to copypaste the 2 lines of code...[20:15:43] <Skipp_OSX> PulkoMandy, I didn't realize that you could stack a window via an API[20:16:41] *** humdinger has quit IRC[20:17:30] <PulkoMandy> IIRC, BWindowStack[20:17:48] <PulkoMandy> that's the main point of making S&T the default decorator so apps can automatically make use of it[20:17:58] <PulkoMandy> but as usual, no one bothered to document the thing...[20:18:06] <Skipp_OSX> hmmm, I see, private API[20:18:15] * AlienSoldier love S&T[20:18:18] <Skipp_OSX> well, I figured it was the idea but still todo[20:19:20] *** bebop-haiku has quit IRC[20:19:55] *** bebop-haiku has joined #haiku[20:21:00] *** bebop-haiku has quit IRC[20:27:29] <Not-001> [haikuports] korli pushed 2 commits to master [+4/-0/±0] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/commits/[20:27:32] <Not-001> [haikuports] korli 9914652 - unrar: added recipe for version 5.0.14[20:27:35] <Not-001> [haikuports] korli aac2b10 - flex: added recipe for version 2.5.39[20:33:10] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[20:34:23] *** kkux has quit IRC[20:35:12] *** kkux has joined #haiku[20:36:05] <axeld> AlienSoldier: I had the same problem with the stuff in trunk. It works fine with my imap branch, though...[20:36:46] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[20:37:51] <AlienSoldier> axeld so no code modification in that particular code area, could be timming related?[20:40:23] *** Wizard- has joined #haiku[20:40:38] <AlienSoldier> in any case if you have a "replacement" MDR to send my way i am interested :)[20:40:54] <AlienSoldier> i don't plan to use imap[20:41:19] <Wizard-> Hi.[20:43:40] <AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy just noticed there i no reload button (even if we can do alt-r for reload). Was there any reason to remove it or was it just never there to begin with?[20:43:49] <AlienSoldier> Wizard- Hi![20:43:57] <PulkoMandy> I don't think we ever added it[20:44:59] <AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy there is a "home" icon option in the setting, reload could be put there i guess. I like the option to not have it as it give more address space but sometime i like a GUI refresh button[20:45:52] <PulkoMandy> patches welcome :)[20:46:30] <AlienSoldier> that would be something i could do :) not yet that said[20:46:49] <AlienSoldier> i need to redo my whole R5 setup in haiku[20:47:19] <AlienSoldier> so far i like the OS. having the full 16:9 of my monitor sure is nice :P[20:49:01] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[20:50:15] *** happy-dude has joined #haiku[20:51:42] <PulkoMandy> I got that in BeOS, backported our screenmode command line tool so I could set modelines[20:51:50] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[20:53:46] <AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy i tested played with modline but always failed to get it to work[20:54:10] <PulkoMandy> works here, I can send you the source and binary if you want[20:54:12] <AlienSoldier> is yours easy to use? I sure could use that[20:54:21] <AlienSoldier> yep[20:55:29] <AlienSoldier> dcc chat never work for me, can you open one so i can paste you my email?[20:57:17] *** happy-dude has quit IRC[20:57:50] <PulkoMandy> I don't know the commands[20:58:00] <PulkoMandy> sec, booting the BeOS machine and I'll upload that to my server[20:58:28] *** poxip has quit IRC[20:58:29] *** poxip1 has joined #haiku[20:58:36] *** happy-dude has joined #haiku[20:59:14] <PulkoMandy> it's mostly a backport of the screenmode command from haiku[20:59:21] <PulkoMandy> so screenmode -m yourmodeline[21:02:55] *** poxip1 has quit IRC[21:03:06] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[21:03:08] <AlienSoldier> ok, waiting the link[21:03:45] <AlienSoldier> i got a backport at one point that i compiled so it gave me additional resolution but not enough for 16:9[21:03:47] *** luroh has joined #haiku[21:04:42] <AlienSoldier> i wonder if i can extract the modline from haiku[21:05:37] <PulkoMandy> yes[21:05:46] <PulkoMandy> screenmode -m[21:05:59] <PulkoMandy> http://pulkomandy.tk/drop/screenmode_beos.zip[21:06:46] <PulkoMandy> feel free to distribute (MIT licence)[21:06:58] <PulkoMandy> I lost the password to my bebits account long ago, unfortunately[21:07:24] *** happy-dude has quit IRC[21:07:30] <Wizard-> PulkoMandy: Ask for reset?[21:07:59] <PulkoMandy> not sure which e-mail address I used for it, but I don't get the password reset emails[21:08:21] <PulkoMandy> and karl disabled new account creation to force people to move to haikuware IIRC[21:08:29] <AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy Awsome, you are a mother to me :)[21:09:43] <axeld> AlienSoldier: I made changes all over the mail implementation[21:10:15] <axeld> AlienSoldier: I just don't know which particular change fixed it, or else I would have ported it to the main branch already :-)[21:10:48] <axeld> I also cannot say how long it'll take to complete the imap effort. I'm currently very low on time, and that will probably continue a few more months[21:11:37] <AlienSoldier> axeld that is fine. in anycase if you have one that work i could use it without IMAP, so no danger for me[21:12:44] <axeld> AlienSoldier: I could update the branch in the not so distant future, so you could use that one (it's still pre PM)[21:13:22] <axeld> AlienSoldier: IMAP even works, just the local synchronization does not (ie. local changes are not propagated back)[21:13:28] <bbjimmy> Anybody interested in adding yab to haikudepot?[21:13:47] <axeld> bbjimmy: not that I would have the time, but it should definitely be there[21:13:58] <AlienSoldier> axeld ok, let me know when you do it.[21:14:22] <axeld> AlienSoldier: if you listen to the commit mails, it will be put there, too[21:14:36] <AlienSoldier> perfect, i check that each day[21:14:38] <bbjimmy> The recipe is in haikuporter, and it works.[21:14:48] <axeld> If not, you would have to hope that I'll remember once I get to it ;-)[21:15:11] <axeld> AlienSoldier: in any case, you'd be the first tester of that code besides myself then[21:15:15] <axeld> so beware[21:16:04] <AlienSoldier> well, i run alpha as my main OS now, so i know i need to trust no one :P[21:16:26] * AlienSoldier start is full time Haiku usage today[21:17:00] <bbjimmy> AlienSoldier Joining the club?[21:17:17] <AlienSoldier> bbjimmy what do you mean.... there is no club :P[21:17:30] <bbjimmy> I've been using haiku full-time since before r1a1[21:17:53] <AlienSoldier> the sheduler work really did it for me, i was having sound issue[21:17:56] <bbjimmy> full time Haiku usage[21:19:19] <AlienSoldier> as probably the last full time R5 user (at last that i know) it sure is the end of an era[21:19:32] <bbjimmy> When I get a version that runs well ... it takes some time for me to upgrade again. currently at 46791[21:20:03] <bbjimmy> I used r4.5 full-time[21:20:08] *** leszek has quit IRC[21:20:10] <bbjimmy> then r5[21:20:16] <bbjimmy> then Zeta[21:20:22] <bbjimmy> now Haiku[21:20:29] <AlienSoldier> same for me, i was only upgrading when seeing enough substential commit[21:21:31] <bbjimmy> I'm waiting for streaming video, unless I see something I can't live without.[21:22:16] <AlienSoldier> it worked for me[21:22:23] *** rennj has quit IRC[21:22:23] <bbjimmy> I do have a linux install ,,, I think it's Mint, but can't remember.[21:22:25] <AlienSoldier> on the youtube html5[21:22:47] <bbjimmy> 1 in 50 videos play there.[21:22:57] <AlienSoldier> i also got 2 note of piano today, i don't know from what site that said[21:23:16] *** siel has quit IRC[21:23:32] *** moribund112 has quit IRC[21:26:48] <AlienSoldier> What seem to bother me the most with the broser is when i scroll down, there is a big lag on many page between the scroll bar and the mouse pointer. Not as fluid as R5 netpositive.[21:30:52] *** Xenmen has joined #haiku[21:35:30] *** i336_ has joined #haiku[21:39:35] <bbjimmy> But it supports a lot more stuff than net+ ever did.[21:39:48] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[21:39:49] <PulkoMandy> I think the slow scrolling can be optimized again[21:39:58] <PulkoMandy> (and that may even solve some other bugs)[21:40:53] <bbjimmy> PulkoMandy Good progress! Thanks[21:56:28] <Not-001> [haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/commits/[21:56:31] <Not-001> [haikuports] korli 2851af4 - sharutils: enable x86_gcc2[22:02:25] *** fhein has quit IRC[22:05:16] *** PasNox has quit IRC[22:14:28] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[22:20:19] *** Theoden has joined #haiku[22:21:11] <Theoden> Gooood morning.[22:21:34] <puckipedia> 13:21 here at Google[22:21:37] <puckipedia> :P[22:22:01] <Theoden> Yeah - 1:21 here too. My bad. :)[22:23:13] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[22:24:50] <Theoden> I'm trouble shooting wifi on my laptop. Instructions on the website instruct me to download and copy several wifi firmwares to /boot/system/data/firmwares. However, when I try to do so I get a message that I cannot copy them to a read only file system. Any ideas on how to get this done?[22:27:06] <Theoden> Anyone?[22:27:34] <PulkoMandy> boot/system/non-packaged/data/firmwares might work[22:28:02] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[22:28:05] <Theoden> So are the instructions on the web site wrong then PulkoMandy?[22:28:40] <KapiX> Theoden, many things after PM are not updated[22:29:35] <Theoden> boot/system/non-packaged/data/firmwares - firmwares does not exist.[22:29:39] <PulkoMandy> yes, this was changed with package manager merge[22:29:57] <PulkoMandy> maybe create it, but I'm not sure the code will look there...[22:30:19] *** hamishm has quit IRC[22:32:37] *** axeld has quit IRC[22:35:57] <irker-367> haiku.master: korli * hrev47116 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=a8ffdaa+%5Ed68289f[22:35:57] <irker-367> cab97c3: x86_64: upgrade mercurial.[22:35:58] <irker-367> a8ffdaa: added sharutils and unrar, updated flex.[22:44:55] *** hackkitten has quit IRC[22:45:18] *** Wizard- has quit IRC[22:50:06] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:50:42] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[22:50:53] *** Barrett has quit IRC[22:54:53] *** siel has joined #haiku[23:00:07] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[23:02:42] <Theoden> PulkoMandy: Well - I tried that but the system doesn't read it - so cannot compile the firmware. I really need to know how to chmod the /boot/system/data/firmware folder to allow write access. There HAS to be a way.[23:03:05] <PulkoMandy> you can't[23:03:15] <PulkoMandy> it's package-managed, so only way to put files in there is to put them in a package[23:03:41] <Theoden> Come on - are you telling me that the root user has no control of the FS?[23:03:59] <jessicah> it's completely virtual[23:04:40] <PulkoMandy> this is not your BFS filesystem, it's a virtual FS that's made of package contents[23:04:50] <jessicah> they don't exist as actual folders on the bfs partition[23:04:55] <PulkoMandy> add a package, the files become visible. Remove a package, the files are gone[23:05:05] <PulkoMandy> they are read directly from the package on the fly[23:05:47] <Theoden> Then that means I cannot use wifi. That's crazy[23:06:17] <jessicah> does the non-packaged folder work?[23:06:25] <Theoden> No.[23:07:08] <Theoden> install-wifi-firmwares.sh script cannot see and compile the firmware.[23:07:29] <jessicah> can you not modify it to use /boot/system/non-packaged/data/firmware?[23:08:18] <Theoden> I suppose I could look at it, but damn! That's an ugly user unfriendly fix.[23:08:27] <luroh> actually, the script creates an hpkg[23:08:39] <Theoden> Hi luroh[23:08:42] <jessicah> hmm, would have to copy it out of the bin folder to edit it too[23:08:42] <luroh> not sure where things go wrong though[23:08:44] <jessicah> heh[23:08:45] <luroh> hiya :)[23:09:37] * luroh bets jessicah could debug that bash script blindfolded[23:10:04] <Theoden> So far I have been able to fix most issues I have encountered with a little hlp of people here. But wifi just doen't look like it's gonna give.[23:10:05] <jessicah> hmm, does use temp folders and stuff; should be fine[23:11:35] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:11:53] <IIsi50MHz> Well, I've just found that it would be nice to be able to specify my own DNS server overrides while still using DHCP for the rest.[23:12:04] <IIsi50MHz> ISP DNS isn't responding, but Google DNS is reachable.[23:12:38] <IIsi50MHz> So...currently no DNS on my Haiku unless I use static IP and make an IP reservation.[23:13:23] <IIsi50MHz> Is there some file I can edit to force DNS servers?[23:14:01] <luroh> something at least goes wrong at the end, when trying to 'package create -C system wifi_firmwares-1-any.hpkg'[23:14:26] <luroh> "Failed to read .PackageInfo: No such file or directory"[23:15:39] <bbjimmy> IIsi50MHz /boot/system/settings/network/resolv.conf[23:16:09] <jessicah> i can look later; i need to get ready for work[23:17:24] <IIsi50MHz> ty sir[23:17:44] <bbjimmy> :-)[23:18:24] *** otwieracz has quit IRC[23:19:22] <IIsi50MHz> Hmm, does that file get overwritten each time DHCP gets refreshed?[23:19:25] <IIsi50MHz> Seems yes.[23:19:40] <bbjimmy> hmmm[23:19:58] <bbjimmy> worth a try.[23:20:12] <Theoden> IIsi50MHz: fix it and then make it read only.[23:21:27] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #1836 of x86_64-any-host is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86_64-any-host/builds/1836[23:25:16] *** otwieracz has joined #haiku[23:29:12] *** Vidiot_X has joined #haiku[23:31:48] <Theoden> Well ...[23:31:50] *** Theoden has quit IRC[23:34:02] <IIsi50MHz> Hrm, HaikuDepot is being crashy.[23:34:15] <IIsi50MHz> hrev47020[23:35:00] <luroh> i think i've found the problem with the script[23:35:06] *** Theoden has joined #haiku[23:35:32] <Theoden> :/[23:35:34] <luroh> Theoden: there you are, i have a possible fix for you to try, if you're up for it[23:35:51] <Theoden> luroh: ok[23:36:18] <Theoden> luroh: Wanna take it private? or do it here in the channel?[23:36:19] <luroh> ok, copy /boot/bin/install-wifi-firmwares.sh to your Desktop[23:37:01] <luroh> let's try it here so people can point out my misconceptions :p[23:37:25] <luroh> then, make your copy writable[23:38:16] <Theoden> Ok[23:38:19] <luroh> towards the end of the file, there's a row: package create -C system wifi_firmwares-1-any.hpkg[23:38:37] <luroh> change that to: package create -C -i .PackageInfo system wifi_firmwares-1-any.hpkg[23:39:05] <luroh> then execute your script[23:41:03] <luroh> if this worked, you should now have a wifi_firmwares-1-any.hpkg file in /boot/system/packages[23:42:26] *** jua_ has quit IRC[23:42:44] <luroh> save your old syslog and reboot[23:43:35] <irker-367> haiku.master: korli * hrev47117 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=eb76377+%5Ea8ffdaa[23:43:35] <irker-367> eb76377: sharutils: use the hpkg.[23:43:56] <luroh> ...Luke[23:45:12] <Theoden> brb[23:45:14] *** Theoden has quit IRC[23:45:47] *** hackkitten has joined #haiku[23:50:16] *** Theoden has joined #haiku[23:50:21] <luroh> Theoden: sorry, i made a mistake, the row should read: package create -C system -i .PackageInfo wifi_firmwares-1-any.hpkg[23:52:49] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[23:53:06] *** Theoden has quit IRC[23:54:02] <irker-367> haiku.master: korli * hrev47118 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=8df3fb7+%5Eeb76377[23:54:03] <irker-367> 8df3fb7: Remove outsourced sharutils provides from haiku package.[23:55:40] <jessicah> IIsi50MHz: it's not sir, tyvm[23:56:49] <IIsi50MHz> Was responding to bbjimmy[23:57:18] <IIsi50MHz> Also, is we go all military, "sir" becomes genderless.[23:58:37] <jessicah> k[23:58:43] <jessicah> fuck the military[23:58:44] <jessicah> :p[23:59:47] <IIsi50MHz> But...Starfleet is military and they do the same thing.