April 13, 2014 
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April 13, 2014 [00:02:09] *** poxip has quit IRC[00:07:51] *** mikedld has quit IRC[00:08:24] *** mikedld has joined #haiku[00:08:30] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[00:08:31] <IIsi50MHz> Why not our own boot menu?[00:08:32] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[00:08:51] <IIsi50MHz> Used to use it with XP, Linux, BeOS, and Haiku.[00:09:44] <IIsi50MHz> And it got a Vista install booting after [forgotten situation] made the usual tools unsuccessful.[00:10:02] <IIsi50MHz> After all, Vista is Win6 and 7 is Win6.1.[00:12:00] *** louisdem has quit IRC[00:14:30] *** tqh has quit IRC[00:21:30] *** TheHitMan has left #haiku[00:26:29] *** leszek has quit IRC[00:27:26] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[00:29:30] <Wizard> IIsi50MHz: Hmm, I'd use our own boot menu if I know how to install it into MBR ;D[00:30:30] <jessicah> isn't there a graphical installer for it?[00:31:06] <Wizard> I had to miss it, jessicah. What's its name[00:31:07] <Wizard> ?[00:31:57] <jessicah> let me check[00:31:57] <IIsi50MHz> I think so, jessicah.[00:32:07] <IIsi50MHz> Only, last time I used it, I had to start it from Terminal.[00:32:37] <Wizard> bootman[00:32:47] <Wizard> I hope it won't screw MBR ;P[00:32:56] <jessicah> gui is in /boot/system/BootManager[00:33:01] <jessicah> gui is in /boot/system/apps/BootManager[00:33:08] <Wizard> Cool.[00:33:11] <Wizard> BRB[00:34:07] *** louisdem has joined #haiku[00:34:22] <jessicah> it'll let you choose partitions you want in the menu, and names for them, etc.[00:34:35] <jessicah> err, pretty sure lets you set names, anyways, yeah[00:35:20] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[00:35:34] <jessicah> hi Duggan[00:35:35] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[00:35:45] <Duggan> hi jessicah :)[00:36:10] <Duggan> still can't build :'([00:36:21] <jessicah> how come?[00:36:35] <Duggan> same problem... openssl[00:36:37] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[00:36:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[00:37:49] <Duggan> mail complains openssl/ssl.h isn't found[00:38:33] <jessicah> on haiku?[00:38:37] <Duggan> affirmative[00:38:53] <jessicah> ask in the dev channel?[00:39:15] <Duggan> that's for dev stuff, not troubleshooting... usually... :P[00:39:30] <Duggan> I've asked enough here that if anybody knew they'd have said something... it's just me no doubt :P[00:39:36] <jessicah> problems building is a dev issue[00:39:57] <jessicah> what version of haiku?[00:40:27] <Duggan> r47098 is what I'm running[00:40:33] <jessicah> so recent[00:40:38] <Duggan> affirmative[00:40:45] <Wizard> Works[00:40:46] <jessicah> i'd poke the dev channel then[00:40:52] <jessicah> Wizard: cool :)[00:41:02] <Wizard> Thank you, jessicah[00:41:18] <louisdem> Fantastic, Wizard! :)[00:41:32] <Wizard> :D[00:57:31] *** louisdem has quit IRC[01:07:30] *** stargater has quit IRC[01:47:02] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[01:49:39] *** SMCollins has joined #haiku[01:50:04] <SMCollins> So, I;ve tried to build some hybdrids and I don't seem to be having any luck, anyone lend a hand ?[01:50:15] <Duggan> nope...[01:50:23] <SMCollins> some help you are[01:50:24] <SMCollins> lol[01:50:32] <Duggan> failing at mail complaining of openssl/ssl.h missing?[01:50:40] <SMCollins> nope[01:50:43] <Duggan> oh :/[01:50:50] <Duggan> because that's the problem I'm having[01:50:55] <SMCollins> just never seemed to be able to build a hybrid since package manager merge[01:51:09] <SMCollins> I'd suggest flushing your git repo and starting over[01:52:40] * Wizard yawns.[01:52:56] * SMCollins offers everyone coffe[01:53:10] <Wizard> 2am and coffe? No, thanks.[01:53:31] * Wizard takes another shot of rum.[01:53:32] <SMCollins> well, if your 3rd shift, you'd need it, 2am, you gotta be somewhere in europe no ?[01:53:47] <Wizard> Łódź, Poland.[01:54:04] <SMCollins> ah[01:54:18] <Duggan> back in a little while[01:58:08] <SMCollins> ttyl[02:08:03] *** freedomrun has joined #haiku[02:10:36] *** NumberNoid is now known as zz_NumberNoid[02:19:20] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[02:20:12] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[02:22:44] *** Hub_ has quit IRC[02:25:21] <waddlesplash> Just my luck, I finally get a break from things[02:25:30] <waddlesplash> and no one is around in here, again[02:31:43] <waddlesplash> Reading the forums makes me want to laugh and cry and blow up all at the same time[02:35:56] <scanty> !seen AlienSoldier[02:35:56] <epigraph> scanty: Error: "seen" is not a valid command.[02:36:05] <bbjimmy> blowing up is not good for the complexion[02:44:37] <waddlesplash> bbjimmy: ikr?[02:44:56] <waddlesplash> bbjimmy: also, did you ever get Yab pkgs uploaded to the official package repo?[02:50:55] *** nielx has quit IRC[02:53:33] <bbjimmy> yes[02:53:39] <waddlesplash> yay![02:53:53] <bbjimmy> oops, no[02:54:05] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:54:11] <bbjimmy> just the recioes in haikuporter[02:54:17] *** [JJ]Albert has quit IRC[02:54:20] <bbjimmy> recipes[02:55:02] <waddlesplash> ah, ok[02:56:42] *** SMCollins has quit IRC[02:57:14] <bbjimmy> http://haikuware.com/forum/yab/using-and-making-objects-in-yab[03:00:28] <bbjimmy> a different look at an object.[03:01:54] <bbjimmy> The yab .hpkgs are on haikuware[03:02:47] <bbjimmy> http://haikuware.com/remository/view-details/development/ides/yab-ide-package[03:03:48] <waddlesplash> ah, k[03:04:27] <waddlesplash> can anyone tell me how to open rdef icons in IOM?[03:04:38] <waddlesplash> I mean the "resource vector_icon" parts[03:09:18] <scanty> is there a way to get "transparent" mouse support in virtual box[03:09:28] <scanty> i.e. when i move my mouse offscreen, it turns back to my regular mouse?[03:09:31] <waddlesplash> scanty: not that I know of[03:09:43] <waddlesplash> someone had a VMware driver for that, dunno if it works with vbox, never tried[03:09:55] <waddlesplash> and vbox guest additions were flaky and I don't think they did that[03:10:03] <scanty> gotcha[03:10:36] <waddlesplash> scanty: are you on a hefty pc right now? bc I have a build I need run[03:10:48] <waddlesplash> and I can't do it on my current pc as vbox is too slow[03:11:30] <scanty> yeah quad xeon 3.2[03:11:49] <waddlesplash> how many cores does vbox have access to?[03:11:57] <scanty> just one for some reason[03:12:16] <waddlesplash> well, two would be nice, but I suppose one might work[03:12:28] <waddlesplash> scanty: what hrev, and what configuration?[03:13:04] <scanty> 47094 gcc4[03:13:19] <Duggan> waddlesplash, sorry... it hung during configure[03:13:26] <waddlesplash> Duggan: oh, really?[03:13:33] <waddlesplash> It got past that step for me[03:13:42] <waddlesplash> scanty: perfect[03:13:44] <Duggan> yeah... or at least it took far too long...[03:13:50] <scanty> x86[03:13:54] <waddlesplash> Duggan: it takes 14s before asking me a question[03:14:03] <Duggan> no, it was after that[03:14:10] <waddlesplash> but then it gets to the "build qmake" step, which takes forever[03:14:13] <waddlesplash> as this pc is so slow[03:15:17] <waddlesplash> scanty: ok, so https://bitbucket.org/waddlesplash/qt-haiku/get/master.zip is the latest[03:15:19] <scanty> compiling in VM = slow[03:15:27] <waddlesplash> scanty: on this PC, even slower[03:15:32] <scanty> waddlesplash, ok, let me finish my current compile then I'll get to it.[03:15:36] <waddlesplash> thnx[03:15:38] <scanty> building my NES emulator[03:15:59] <waddlesplash> scanty: once download finishes & extracted, I'll guide you through the process[03:16:42] *** kcj has joined #haiku[03:17:13] <scanty> ok gimme a few[03:26:06] <scanty> http://shell.reverse.net/~eli/incoming/pretendo-0.5a1-1-x86.hpkg[03:27:34] <scanty> ok downloading[03:29:16] *** kcj has quit IRC[03:39:50] *** epigraph has quit IRC[03:40:27] <waddlesplash> scanty: lemme know when it finishes[03:41:44] <scanty> will do[03:41:48] <scanty> DL is pretty slow thus far[03:42:05] <scanty> getting like 100K/s[03:48:49] *** wadlspl has joined #haiku[03:48:53] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[03:49:10] *** wadlspl is now known as waddlesplash[03:55:09] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[04:11:22] <jessicah> scanty: change pointer device to usb touchpad[04:11:35] <jessicah> that'll give you somewhat transparent mouse handling[04:11:43] <scanty> waddlesplash, extracting now[04:11:47] <scanty> jessicah, thanks I will try that[04:12:30] <waddlesplash> jessicah: ooo, I'll try that too[04:13:17] <waddlesplash> scanty: OK, once extracted open a term and run ./configure and answer the questions it asks[04:13:49] <waddlesplash> Then it'll bootstrap Qmake, then it'll generate makefiles[04:14:00] <waddlesplash> Tell me when all that completes[04:14:16] <waddlesplash> (you obviously have to run in gcc4 mode)[04:14:23] <scanty> im on gcc4 only[04:14:30] <scanty> archive is extracting.[04:14:32] <scanty> currently[04:29:56] <scanty> waddlesplash, commerical or open source version?[04:30:09] <waddlesplash> Open source, obviously[04:32:01] <scanty> ok its' chugging along very slowly[04:32:21] <waddlesplash> Well, it should start compiling qmake[04:32:27] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[04:33:09] <scanty> yeah it's doing something all right[04:33:15] <scanty> printing lots to terminal[04:34:44] *** alvin_ has joined #haiku[04:34:48] <scanty> ok it' definitely compiling[04:37:30] *** mkf has quit IRC[04:38:23] *** mkf has joined #haiku[04:41:21] *** vgezer has quit IRC[04:47:58] *** pdziepak has quit IRC[04:51:30] *** mkf has quit IRC[04:53:42] <waddlesplash> scanty: I have to go to sleep. If configure exits without an error, run make -j<cores> and if that succeeds, plz memo me with a link to a copy of the bin folder.[04:53:44] *** mkf has joined #haiku[04:53:58] <waddlesplash> k?[04:54:24] <scanty> np[04:57:09] <waddlesplash> thnx, ttyl[04:57:11] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[04:57:37] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[05:02:36] *** mkf has quit IRC[05:04:53] *** _marc` has quit IRC[05:10:00] *** mkf has joined #haiku[05:17:26] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[05:31:49] *** TheHitMan has joined #haiku[05:32:26] <TheHitMan> when gets haiku a multi-user login?[05:33:18] *** mkf has quit IRC[05:33:19] *** freedomrun has quit IRC[05:33:25] *** rvalles has quit IRC[05:33:28] *** orealis has quit IRC[05:33:29] *** dnivra has quit IRC[05:33:37] *** Wizard has quit IRC[05:33:51] *** i336_ has quit IRC[05:33:52] *** jaime_ has quit IRC[05:33:53] *** zz_NumberNoid has quit IRC[05:34:10] *** HAIKU-Buildbot_ has quit IRC[05:34:14] *** hamishm__ has quit IRC[05:34:17] *** Slor has quit 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Any luck on the Haiku building front?[10:03:02] *** narendraj9 has quit IRC[10:04:53] *** narendraj9 has joined #haiku[10:05:54] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[10:06:45] *** tqh has joined #haiku[10:11:37] <Duggan> humdinger yes actually, finally got it to build...... after doing another clone entirely[10:11:50] <humdinger> good to hear![10:11:55] <Duggan> thanks for asking :) hows things?[10:11:56] <humdinger> I had some issues myself lately.[10:12:03] <Duggan> ah that sucks[10:12:04] <humdinger> building issues :)[10:12:11] <Duggan> hehe[10:12:23] <humdinger> I forgot that we switched from yasm to nasm...[10:13:00] <humdinger> (building from Linux)[10:13:14] <Duggan> hehe all sorts of good stuff I'll have to fight in the future no doubt... once I get spun back up on things again[10:13:41] <Duggan> I wish this headache would go away so maybe I could get some sleep...[10:13:49] <humdinger> the i7 in the basement running Mint is a wee bit faster than my 7 year old Haiku notebook. :)[10:14:12] <Duggan> I'd be running on my new laptop but jessicah hasn't finished EFI yet.... slacker[10:14:43] <humdinger> the i7 also uses UEFI, but I manage to boot the USB stick every other time.[10:15:28] <humdinger> Looks like I have to completely turn off the machine or the stick isn't recognized or the Haiku loader complains of not finding a boot partition.[10:15:31] <Duggan> apparently the usb ports on mine are all 3...[10:15:46] *** narendraj9 has quit IRC[10:16:01] <Duggan> complains of no boot partition[10:16:08] <humdinger> I does work in a USB3 port over here.[10:16:20] <Duggan> legacy mode?[10:16:29] <humdinger> have you tried several times?[10:16:33] <humdinger> i dunno...[10:16:33] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[10:16:35] <Duggan> er... no :P[10:16:49] <humdinger> do it. power off between.[10:16:51] <Duggan> I will though... can't right now... using my new laptop for an ad hoc network so I have internet on this one[10:17:03] <humdinger> I guess once Haiku was installed on HD, it'll be no problem.[10:17:20] <Duggan> shouldn't be I think[10:17:29] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[10:17:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[10:17:42] <humdinger> I haven' tdone it though, because I only have a 120GB SSD in it.[10:17:43] <Duggan> assuming I can find a way to boot to it[10:17:52] <humdinger> Tried a CD?[10:18:14] <Duggan> not yet, don't have any[10:18:37] *** Guest19451 is now known as dnivra[10:18:39] <humdinger> hehe, that is 90s technology...[10:19:06] *** dnivra has quit IRC[10:19:15] *** dnivra has joined #haiku[10:19:16] *** dnivra has joined #haiku[10:19:53] <Duggan> explains why I don't have any :P[10:20:34] <humdinger> I used to buy DVD-R in bulk, but haven't burnt one in over ... 2 years, I guess.[10:21:00] <Duggan> that's about how long I've been away from coding here[10:21:56] <humdinger> Cding in general of Haiku coding?[10:22:29] <Duggan> Haiku[10:23:15] <Duggan> I do it for work which has tought me to hate it... but I've learned to force myself to do it for fun :P[10:23:16] <humdinger> ah. burned out?[10:23:24] <Duggan> yep, pretty much[10:23:40] <Duggan> but getting back into Haiku is going to be refreshing I think[10:23:55] <humdinger> here's an idea. get another, non-coding job and do more Haiku coding :)[10:24:19] <Duggan> hehe only if they pay as well or better :P[10:25:20] <humdinger> prepare to dump your morals and go to Wallstreet...[10:25:27] <humdinger> American Hustle style.[10:25:40] <Duggan> already bought stock :P[10:26:03] <humdinger> Duggan, Duggan.... it's about SELLING... :P[10:26:19] <Duggan> gotta buy before you can sell......... unless you sell short :P[10:26:49] <humdinger> You have to get other people buy and take your cut.[10:27:27] <Duggan> hehe[10:28:13] <humdinger> Hey PulkoMandy, I enjoy your Web+ playing youtube clips![10:28:31] <humdinger> The ones that work... :P[10:29:36] * Duggan needs a pick-me-up so he's watching Mr. B on YouTube... on his phone...[10:30:15] <humdinger> "Mr. B"... is that the shorter brother Mr. Bean?[10:30:25] <Duggan> no...[10:30:38] <Duggan> Mr. B The Gentleman Rhymer[10:31:37] <humdinger> Ha! works in Web+ too.[10:31:42] <Duggan> lol[10:32:06] <Duggan> Just Like A Chap is good[10:33:48] <humdinger> finally a believable white rapper.[10:34:04] <Duggan> yep :D[10:35:55] <PulkoMandy> humdinger: btw, I think one of the updates solved the issues with the peacekeeper benchmark[10:36:10] <PulkoMandy> if you have some time to run that, make sure it works, and close the ticket, would be nice ):[10:36:25] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: oh, right. I'll go over my tickets soonishly.[10:36:33] <PulkoMandy> thanks :)[10:37:05] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[10:39:39] *** tgkokk`` has joined #haiku[10:40:07] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[10:40:55] <PulkoMandy> also, I'm trying to get my usb gamepad working on Haiku. I think we miss some code in the HID driver. If anyone withan usb joystick or gamepad could test it on Haiku, I'm interested in the results[10:42:16] * humdinger hasn't touched a joystick since the early 90s on his Amiga1000[10:45:09] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[10:46:16] <Duggan> gonna go lay down and try to get some sleep again...[10:46:22] <Duggan> I'll probably be back in a little while :P[10:46:36] * humdinger sings a lullaby[10:46:48] <humdinger> oh, yu already have a headache...[10:46:51] * humdinger shuts up[10:46:52] <Duggan> thanks... I'm trying to make the headache go away actually[10:46:53] <Duggan> :P[10:47:06] <humdinger> try to sleep well...[10:47:11] <Duggan> thank you[10:47:21] <Duggan> see you guys soon... probably sooner than later hehe[10:47:30] * humdinger snores[10:48:18] *** zz_NumberNoid is now known as NumberNoid[10:48:38] *** stargater has quit IRC[10:55:29] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[10:58:17] *** tgkokk`` has quit IRC[11:06:07] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[11:10:00] *** humdinger has quit IRC[11:11:41] *** Xenmen has quit IRC[11:13:08] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[11:18:15] *** Guest24226 has quit IRC[11:18:26] *** stux has quit IRC[11:18:27] *** e1z0 has quit IRC[11:18:44] *** Drakevr has quit IRC[11:18:49] *** ChanServ has quit IRC[11:19:45] *** ChanServ has joined #haiku[11:19:46] *** Guest24226 has joined #haiku[11:19:46] *** stux has joined #haiku[11:19:46] *** e1z0 has joined #haiku[11:19:46] *** Drakevr has joined #haiku[11:19:47] *** sendak.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ[11:20:50] *** DonLiu has joined #haiku[11:24:39] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[11:27:11] <DonLiu> a portable ubuntu in usb disk is wonderful, though not as fast as Haiku^_^[11:29:15] <DonLiu> So, portable could be a main feature of Haiku[11:32:52] <IIsi50MHz> Yep, pretty handy.[11:33:33] <IIsi50MHz> Haiku and BeOS have given me access to failing discs that windows and linux would just say are unreadable.[11:34:06] <heoyea> a live boot?[11:34:14] <IIsi50MHz> Or the would make Window slowly choke to a crawl, eventually lock up, and asphyxiate itself.[11:34:17] <DonLiu> not a live boot[11:34:27] <DonLiu> just install to usb disk[11:34:59] <heoyea> so u mean on pc with extremely low ram[11:35:42] <IIsi50MHz> No...[11:35:52] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[11:36:03] <heoyea> cuz live boot onl load to ram[11:36:12] <heoyea> not to hard disk[11:36:54] <IIsi50MHz> Just boot Haiku, open the Haiku Installer, select a USB disc, tell it to install. Voíla, bootable USB with Haiku.[11:37:16] <heoyea> well on linux u can just use the dd command[11:37:25] <heoyea> and voila live usb stick[11:39:48] *** Yann64 has joined #haiku[11:40:50] <heoyea> but yea haiku is fast and lightweight, porbablly the closes to that would be some versions of puppy linux or slitaz linux[11:46:29] <DonLiu> I install ubuntu to usb disk when booting from CD, so I can install software to ubuntu in the usb disk.[11:47:34] <DonLiu> a live boot usb can not install software[11:48:43] *** tgkokk has joined #haiku[11:59:04] *** tgkokk has quit IRC[12:01:19] <heoyea> u have to make a presistent livecd to be able to save installs and settings, else it would just reset after reboot[12:02:34] <IIsi50MHz> Or, with Haiku, just boot the Live image once, run the installer with a USB drive as a target, and be done.[12:02:47] *** kcj has joined #haiku[12:03:52] <heoyea> same difference[12:04:48] <DonLiu> I just install ubuntu to usb disk the same way to hard disk. So no presistent thing[12:04:54] <IIsi50MHz> I dunno; the LiveCD-with-persistence stuff always seemed kinda kludgey to me.[12:05:22] <IIsi50MHz> Rather have Live-not-a-CD. (:[12:05:43] <IIsi50MHz> Guess we're talking in circles, though.[12:05:58] <DonLiu> yep, I install ubuntu the same way as what IIsi50MHz just said[12:07:00] <heoyea> all live stuff has a limit[12:07:09] * IIsi50MHz gives up on making this tablet accept root, grabs a snack, and goes to bed[12:08:36] <DonLiu> the limit of a usb portable OS is the speed of usb[12:09:07] <heoyea> it loads it to ram[12:09:19] <heoyea> so mostly is ur ram[12:10:25] <DonLiu> just the same with OS on hard disk[12:10:41] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[12:10:41] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[12:10:45] <heoyea> no is not the same[12:10:56] <DonLiu> haha[12:11:16] <DonLiu> what is the difference?[12:11:18] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[12:11:18] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[12:11:29] <heoyea> livecd are compress[12:11:37] <heoyea> on hard disk is not[12:12:05] <DonLiu> no, I install all the ubuntu to usb disk, not a compressed image[12:12:41] <heoyea> u mean those external Hard drive?[12:12:47] <DonLiu> yep[12:12:59] <heoyea> yea then thats the usb u got[12:13:04] <heoyea> like usb2.0[12:13:11] <heoyea> those are slow vs 3.0[12:13:11] <DonLiu> but not hard drive, but a usb drive[12:13:23] <heoyea> those tiny usb stick?[12:13:24] <DonLiu> usb2.0 drive[12:13:36] <heoyea> yea slow stuff[12:13:42] <DonLiu> yeah[12:14:01] <heoyea> plus ur running a hugh resource UI[12:14:03] <heoyea> from Ubuntu[12:14:14] <heoyea> why sure why u expect it to be fast[12:14:15] <DonLiu> little slow, especially run two software at the same time[12:14:16] *** epigraph has joined #haiku[12:14:57] <heoyea> yea thats not even a good comparsion[12:15:20] <heoyea> if get a litter distro then is faster[12:16:15] <DonLiu> yeah, so haiku is faster that installed the same way,[12:16:34] <heoyea> theres only 1 haiku[12:16:40] <heoyea> vs 100s of linux distro[12:16:46] <heoyea> if u say vs ubuntu is slow[12:16:52] <heoyea> then u have a point[12:18:05] <DonLiu> yeah, the other linux distro, like puppy, may fast too, but I never tried.[12:19:05] <DonLiu> heoyea, what is your main OS?[12:19:33] <heoyea> i got debian on my server and archlinux on my desktop[12:21:15] <DonLiu> I tried debian and archlinux, debian is good and stable, though not as convenient as ubuntu[12:21:44] <heoyea> whats convenient about it?[12:22:17] <DonLiu> but arch linux, a terrible installation[12:22:55] <heoyea> is not ment for new users[12:22:57] <Wizard> It's OK.[12:23:13] <DonLiu> its software center with no software sourc setting :)[12:23:34] <Wizard> ?[12:23:34] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[12:24:24] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[12:24:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[12:24:35] <DonLiu> I find that ubuntu this days have less command line operation. that good for ordinary PC users[12:25:43] <heoyea> command line can be cool once u learn a few[12:25:44] <DonLiu> Wizard, I do not have to care about software source. but in debian, I have to choose that.[12:26:14] <Wizard> ?[12:26:33] <heoyea> think he means adding repositorys[12:26:46] <Wizard> Ah, non-free and contrib?[12:26:52] <heoyea> ye[12:26:53] <DonLiu> yeah, command line may cause less problem than graphic operations[12:26:57] <Wizard> Who cares ;P[12:27:11] <heoyea> Ubuntu PPA system is pretty broken also[12:27:22] <DonLiu> yeah， I mean adding repository[12:27:25] <heoyea> randomly going to ppls PPA[12:27:31] <DonLiu> sorry for my poor English[12:31:08] <Wizard> Don't worry.[12:31:08] <jessicah> pon[12:31:08] <Wizard> That language has really twisted grammar :P[12:31:09] <Wizard> jessicah: ?[12:31:35] <DonLiu> why can not find boot manager in applications menu list in Haiku? is it a bug?[12:31:48] <Wizard> Or a security feature ;D[12:32:00] <DonLiu> hehe[12:32:37] <jessicah> does seem quite odd since it's in the apps folder[12:32:45] <DonLiu> I find it really useful[12:33:02] <Wizard> :)[12:35:31] *** i336_ has quit IRC[12:36:41] <Wizard> Oooh, nightlies with updated translations are ready \o/[12:36:53] * Wizard grabs[12:37:42] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[12:37:44] <Premislaus> hello[12:37:52] <Wizard> Premislaus: hi.[12:38:33] *** Duggan has quit IRC[12:38:37] <Wizard> Premislaus: Nightly with Kapix' translations was generated.[12:39:00] <Wizard> Or has been genereted?[12:39:48] <Premislaus> Wizard: http://www.haiku-files.org/haiku/development/ 114[12:40:06] <Wizard> Yes.[12:46:50] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[12:50:59] *** DonLiu has quit IRC[12:51:08] *** Duggan has quit IRC[12:52:11] *** tqh has quit IRC[12:55:53] *** vgezer has joined #haiku[12:56:59] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[12:57:29] *** Yann64 has quit IRC[13:07:59] *** orealis has quit IRC[13:08:06] *** kcj has quit IRC[13:10:20] *** orealis has joined #haiku[13:20:02] *** jua_ has quit IRC[13:21:14] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[13:21:56] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[13:30:25] <Wizard> Quick question.[13:31:04] <Wizard> Does Haiku support translations dependant on number?[13:31:27] <Wizard> Some languages have different form of plural for some particular numbers.[13:32:08] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[13:33:20] <luroh> sounds like the problem should be fixed in upstream languages ;)[13:34:33] <Wizard> :D[13:34:54] *** kkux has quit IRC[13:39:14] *** marc_smith has joined #haiku[13:41:37] <Wizard> luroh: I belive most slavic languages are affected ;P[13:43:09] <luroh> i think i've heard the same about arabic[13:45:46] *** [JJ]Albert has joined #haiku[13:48:00] <Wizard> Hmm.. icu supports that.[13:48:04] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[13:48:27] <Wizard> Light of hope![13:50:18] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[13:50:54] *** orealis has quit IRC[13:51:14] *** narendraj9 has joined #haiku[13:51:40] *** orealis has joined #haiku[13:53:38] *** stargater has joined #haiku[13:59:22] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[14:04:31] *** marc_smith has quit IRC[14:23:23] *** nielx has joined #haiku[14:33:49] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[14:35:02] *** narendraj9 has quit IRC[14:36:49] <PulkoMandy> Wizard: hi, I never plugged the ICU stuff in the Locale Kit because I lack test cases[14:37:04] <PulkoMandy> (the languages I speak don't have the problem)[14:37:23] <PulkoMandy> if you open a bug report with a few examples, we can have a look into adding support[14:37:52] *** NicePics has joined #haiku[14:41:57] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[14:42:19] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[14:48:20] *** narendraj9 has joined #haiku[14:54:59] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[14:55:06] *** _marc` has quit IRC[15:06:44] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[15:06:58] *** Luko has joined #haiku[15:08:20] <Luko> hi folks[15:15:50] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[15:17:54] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[15:18:31] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[15:19:41] *** Luko has quit IRC[15:22:47] *** jaime_ is now known as subcritical[15:28:28] *** Administrator has joined #haiku[15:28:52] *** Administrator is now known as Guest30560[15:29:17] *** Guest30560 is now known as DonLiu[15:32:36] *** pemdp has joined #haiku[15:32:38] <pemdp> Hello[15:41:49] *** nightfury91 has joined #haiku[15:44:57] *** DonLiu has quit IRC[15:55:02] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[15:57:00] *** happy-dude has joined #haiku[16:01:17] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[16:04:05] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[16:04:06] *** HaikuUser2 has joined #haiku[16:04:07] *** HaikuUser2 is now known as SMCollins[16:04:32] <HaikuUser> hello[16:04:42] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[16:04:42] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[16:05:45] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[16:05:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[16:13:05] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[16:13:49] *** happy-dude has quit IRC[16:16:08] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[16:18:06] *** tgkokk has joined #haiku[16:23:42] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[16:26:10] *** nielx has quit IRC[16:27:53] *** Duggan2 has joined #haiku[16:31:33] *** Duggan has quit IRC[16:31:33] *** Duggan2 is now known as Duggan[16:34:11] *** narendraj9 has quit IRC[16:35:43] *** tqh has joined #haiku[16:45:19] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[16:45:38] <DaaT> PulkoMandy, youtube!!!! Congrats :D[16:47:12] <PulkoMandy> :)[16:47:39] <DaaT> haven't been able to load google play music yet to test, but am trying[16:48:03] <DaaT> and crashes everytime I try to load gmail, will file bug report[16:48:03] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[16:48:08] *** AmineKhaldi has quit IRC[16:48:08] *** AmineKhaldi has joined #haiku[16:48:37] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[16:48:45] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[16:48:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[16:49:08] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[16:49:35] *** narendraj9 has joined #haiku[16:50:32] <DaaT> oh, and both google and ICO no longer display a mobile page :)[16:52:01] *** happy-dude has joined #haiku[16:54:04] <DaaT> ticket logged[16:54:07] <DaaT> hope it helps[16:54:52] *** alvin_ has quit IRC[16:55:40] <SMCollins> DaaT: I actually filed a complaint with google about that[16:55:47] <SMCollins> so freaking annoying[16:55:56] <DaaT> SMCollins, the mobile page being displayed?[16:56:09] <SMCollins> yeah, and some ecommrce sites do it to[16:56:10] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[16:56:23] <SMCollins> anytime they don't detect like firefox or IE they defualt to mobile[16:56:35] <SMCollins> really irritating[16:56:41] <DaaT> *nod*[16:56:45] <DaaT> did you get a reply?[16:56:47] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[16:57:03] <SMCollins> I got a automated reply, but I'll keep squeeking that wheel[16:57:27] <SMCollins> html5 should have introduced device type tags and detection[16:57:51] *** happy-dude has quit IRC[16:58:33] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[17:00:17] <DaaT> could be, yes[17:00:41] *** _marc` has quit IRC[17:01:05] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[17:01:12] *** akshay1994 has joined #haiku[17:03:42] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[17:03:47] <DaaT> bbl[17:03:48] *** DaaT has quit IRC[17:04:10] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[17:08:26] *** akshay1994 has left #haiku[17:09:40] <PulkoMandy> we now identify as Safari for Mac OS X, btw[17:09:54] <SMCollins> ahh[17:10:00] <[JJ]Albert> PulkoMandy: identify?[17:10:06] <PulkoMandy> seems the fact that we say AppleWebKit and not Macintosh left everyone thinking "must be iOS or iPad"[17:10:10] <SMCollins> browser ID tag[17:10:12] <PulkoMandy> for Web+ User Agent[17:10:47] <[JJ]Albert> oh, I see.[17:16:19] *** tgkokk has quit IRC[17:20:14] *** tgkokk has joined #haiku[17:34:25] *** SMCollins has quit IRC[17:36:27] <Premislaus> PulkoMandy: why not Haiku\WebPositive?[17:36:48] <PulkoMandy> Premislaus: as I said, some websites rely on "Macintosh" being there[17:37:04] <PulkoMandy> we still have Haiku and WebPositive mentioned elsewhere in the user agent[17:37:34] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[17:41:02] *** Guest23478 has quit IRC[17:41:24] *** Jafura has joined #haiku[17:46:28] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[17:47:23] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[17:47:57] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[18:06:27] *** freedomrun has quit IRC[18:06:57] *** tgkokk has quit IRC[18:08:32] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[18:08:41] * humdinger is idle: BRB[18:09:38] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[18:15:16] *** axeld has joined #haiku[18:15:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[18:18:42] *** freedomrun has joined #haiku[18:33:07] *** NicePics has quit IRC[18:34:37] *** narendraj9 has quit IRC[18:37:50] *** stargater has quit IRC[18:46:22] *** kkux has joined #haiku[18:47:57] *** tgkokk has joined #haiku[18:51:47] *** narendraj9 has joined #haiku[18:52:58] *** Yann64 has joined #haiku[18:53:25] *** Yann64 has quit IRC[18:59:06] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[18:59:19] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[19:02:16] <Duggan> behold, I awaketh[19:02:21] <Anarchos> hi everybody[19:02:28] <Duggan> greetings[19:04:58] <Anarchos> hi axeld[19:05:12] *** stargater has joined #haiku[19:17:53] *** cnuke has quit IRC[19:18:51] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[19:19:17] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[19:20:26] *** pemdp has quit IRC[19:20:50] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[19:23:26] *** cnuke has joined #haiku[19:25:09] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[19:28:00] <scanty> 'afternoon[19:28:47] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[19:30:52] <scanty> !seen AlienSoldier[19:30:52] <epigraph> scanty: Error: "seen" is not a valid command.[19:30:56] <scanty> !help[19:30:56] <epigraph> scanty: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.[19:31:08] *** vgezer has quit IRC[19:31:17] <scanty> not very helpful[19:31:49] <scanty> !help commands[19:31:50] <epigraph> scanty: Error: There is no command "commands".[19:31:56] <humdinger> It ain't no BeShare... :)[19:31:59] <humdinger> catsup[19:32:05] <scanty> hehe[19:32:13] <scanty> humdinger, want to try my NES emulator?[19:32:23] <humdinger> sure![19:32:29] <humdinger> took you long enough :)[19:33:01] <scanty> http://shell.reverse.net/~eli/incoming/pretendo-0.5a1-1-x86.hpkg[19:33:09] <scanty> hehe enjoy[19:34:11] <humdinger> web+ shows the file instead of downloading it. PulkoMandy, the blame's on the server?[19:34:15] <humdinger> using wget for now[19:34:28] <scanty> fair enough[19:35:01] <scanty> even comes with a free ROM.[19:35:09] <scanty> (that i wrote a long time ago)[19:38:03] <humdinger> can test unfortunately. won't install. I suspect because it's architecture is x86 only (?)[19:38:12] <humdinger> *its[19:38:13] <scanty> oh[19:38:17] <scanty> it's gcc4 x86 only[19:38:54] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[19:39:19] <scanty> dont' see why it wouldn't work on a gcc4h system though[19:39:31] <humdinger> right. maybe you'd have to make it x86_gcc2 and "require" the x86 version of libxml2 ?[19:39:39] <humdinger> I have the official, i.e. gcc2h[19:39:51] <scanty> it won't build with gcc2[19:40:03] <scanty> for several reasons, one being c++11[19:40:47] <humdinger> I haven't yet understood the gcc2/4 business in recipes/packageing...[19:41:06] <scanty> i was barely able to put that package together.[19:41:08] <humdinger> it has to be possible, since webkit is also only compilable with gcc4.[19:41:22] <humdinger> and is available under gcc2h of course.[19:42:22] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[19:42:42] <scanty> weird.[19:43:45] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[19:44:15] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[19:45:15] <scanty> what happens when you try to install it?[19:45:43] *** tgkokk has quit IRC[19:46:14] <humdinger> tells me "package is not installable"[19:46:57] <scanty> odd.[19:47:35] <scanty> works fine here, hehe[19:48:33] *** stargater has quit IRC[19:51:54] <humdinger> scanty: I extracted the package and changed the architecture to "x86_gcc2". Now it installs.[19:52:00] <humdinger> how do I load the ROM?[19:52:08] <humdinger> nm[19:53:16] <scanty> shouldn't isntall with x86_gcc2, though. I built it on a gcc4 only system[19:53:37] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[19:53:45] <humdinger> I use a gcc2hybrid system[19:54:01] <scanty> yeah, but stil., it seems a little weird[19:54:10] <scanty> does it install/work now?[19:54:32] <humdinger> I see a window, and I loaded the ROM.[19:54:47] <scanty> do Emulator->Run[19:54:51] <scanty> on the menu[19:54:53] <humdinger> but starting it only shows the Be logo and my mouse pointer erases it to black...[19:55:19] <scanty> change the renderer to BView/BBitmap[19:55:38] <humdinger> ok.. now no erasing any more.[19:55:48] <humdinger> 1 cpu pegged.[19:55:48] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[19:56:37] <scanty> yeah cycle accurate NES = a lot of CPU[19:56:37] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[19:56:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[19:56:42] <scanty> try other roms if you have any[19:56:54] <humdinger> i don't :)[19:57:00] <scanty> oh[19:57:00] <humdinger> I'm a not-gamer :)[19:57:05] <scanty> gotcha[20:00:21] <luroh> scanty: did you use gcc2 Haiku or some non-official version to test it?[20:00:35] <luroh> i'm seeing the same install problem as humdinger[20:00:44] <luroh> gcc2h*[20:00:49] <scanty> no, gcc4[20:00:52] <scanty> gcc4 only[20:00:53] <luroh> ah[20:01:03] <humdinger> luroh: I guess because the "Architecture" specifies x86 only[20:01:25] <luroh> that would explain it[20:02:18] <scanty> so it won't install on a gcc4h system?[20:03:21] <humdinger> as there gcc4 is the pimary arch, I can imagine it would.[20:03:26] <humdinger> *primary[20:03:46] <humdinger> Why don't you stick to gcc2hybrid?[20:04:08] <humdinger> and use setarch when compiling gcc4 stuff.[20:04:20] <scanty> because i'm never going to use gcc2 for anything[20:05:38] <humdinger> you don't have to in a gcc2hybrid image either.[20:05:47] <Anarchos> scanty you better use gcc2hybrid with a startup script to do "setarch x86_64"[20:05:52] <humdinger> that's the nice thing of being a hybrid[20:06:24] <humdinger> Anarchos: You'll have to do that for every Terminal session btw[20:06:41] <Anarchos> humdinger no if you put it in UserSetupEnvironment ?[20:06:44] <scanty> it's not x86_64[20:07:01] <humdinger> Anarchos: not sure...[20:07:03] <Anarchos> scanty x86 sorry[20:07:17] <Anarchos> humdinger in my memory, it worked.[20:07:45] <humdinger> Anarchos: maybe the .profile would be correct too.[20:08:03] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[20:08:16] <scanty> well id on't see why it wouldnt' work out of the box on a gcc4h system[20:08:49] <luroh> maybe, but...who uses that?[20:08:50] *** Duggan has quit IRC[20:08:52] <humdinger> deviating from the official image invites trouble IMO[20:09:06] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[20:11:38] * humdinger waves[20:11:39] *** humdinger has quit IRC[20:13:31] *** Theoden has joined #haiku[20:16:02] *** happy-dude has joined #haiku[20:17:05] *** Theoden has quit IRC[20:17:27] *** Theoden has joined #haiku[20:18:39] *** pdziepak has joined #haiku[20:18:42] <scanty> i guess i will setup a gcc2h hybrid today then[20:18:47] <scanty> since my package doesn't work.[20:18:56] <scanty> although it should[20:20:49] <luroh> cool :) yeah, i think you're just a foot away from the finish line on that front[20:23:35] *** happy-dude has quit IRC[20:23:50] *** Theoden has quit IRC[20:24:11] *** Theoden has joined #haiku[20:29:18] <Theoden> Hi all. I installed koffice on my Haiku laptop and it won't run - missing 2 libs. I want to install it but don't know how. Instructions on the websit don't work.[20:30:34] <luroh> Theoden: just curious, what website?[20:31:10] <Theoden> http://www.haiku-files.org/files/optional-packages/[20:31:22] <Theoden> No - wait.[20:31:43] <luroh> i meant koffice, where did you get it from?[20:32:23] <Theoden> http://haikuware.com/directory/view-details/productivity/office-suites/koffice-for-haiku-stand-alone-installer[20:34:26] <luroh> ok, no idea i'm afraid, seems unmaintained[20:34:47] *** kkux has quit IRC[20:35:21] *** kkux has joined #haiku[20:37:59] *** narendraj9 has quit IRC[20:41:15] <Theoden> luroh: I just want to uninstall it. But can't figure out how.[20:41:48] <Wizard> :<[20:41:53] <Wizard> Hi,[20:42:08] <scanty> if i add x86_gcc2 to the arch, of my package, will it work then?[20:42:13] <scanty> humdinger[20:44:22] *** Blub\0 has joined #haiku[20:44:50] <scanty> oh he's nto here.[20:45:09] *** DaaT has quit IRC[20:45:47] <Theoden> \ANyone here know how I might uninstall koffice? or am I just stuck with all the cruft on my system?[20:46:18] <Theoden> Anyyone here know how I might uninstall koffice? or am I just stuck with all the cruft on my system?[20:46:33] <Theoden> God - can't type today. :0[20:47:17] *** Blub\w has quit IRC[20:50:36] <PulkoMandy> scanty: if you want to do a package for gcc2hybrids, you need to depend on libxml2_x86 (this is the gcc4 version of libxml2 for gcc2hybrid systems)[20:50:53] *** narendraj9 has joined #haiku[20:50:58] <PulkoMandy> and the package should be named pretendo_x86 instead of just pretendo (same, that indicates it's built with gcc4)[20:51:09] <PulkoMandy> other than that, it should be the same as your existing package[20:52:50] <scanty> ok i'll work on that now.[20:52:52] <scanty> thanks![20:54:16] <Theoden> <sigh>[20:55:00] <luroh> Theoden: is it an old style unzip-to-boot file or an installer?[20:55:10] <IIsi50MHz> Sorry, Theoden. If it didn't come via Haiku Depot, I think you have to clean it manually.[20:55:37] <Theoden> luroh: I clicked it and the package installer opened.[20:56:23] <Theoden> IIsi50MHz: I could manage that if I knoew where everthing was put. But I have no roadmap.[20:57:31] <IIsi50MHz> Since package manager opened, you should be able to click the leaf/feather icon, goto Applications, select Haiku Depot, then find among the "Active" packages, and remove it.[20:58:04] <IIsi50MHz> (I swear half the time I interpret the Haiku icon as a feather, instead of a leaf.)[20:58:17] <luroh> i suspect he means a different package installer[20:58:33] <luroh> (not package manager)[20:58:57] <Theoden> No Haiku Depot[20:59:06] *** happy-dude has joined #haiku[20:59:11] <luroh> oh?[20:59:13] <IIsi50MHz> I thought he meant he double-clicked an hpkg. /-:[20:59:18] *** Xenmen has joined #haiku[20:59:39] <luroh> well, is it an hpkg?[20:59:40] <Theoden> IIsi50MHz: No - a .pkg[20:59:49] <Wizard> :S[21:00:07] <Theoden> KOffice-Haiku.pkg[21:00:43] <luroh> ah, haikudepot does pkgs? i didn't know that[21:02:10] <scanty> PulkoMandy, I tried haikuporter install libxml2_x86 but there is no such package[21:03:03] *** DKnoto has joined #haiku[21:04:05] <scanty> do I want libxml_x86_gcc2?[21:07:41] *** happy-dude has quit IRC[21:08:38] <scanty> ?[21:10:50] <Wizard> scanty: For what?[21:11:10] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[21:11:28] <scanty> scanty: if you want to do a package for gcc2hybrids, you need to depend on libxml2_x86 (this is the gcc4 version of libxml2 for gcc2hybrid systems)[21:12:16] <Wizard> Dunno :([21:12:17] *** DKnoto has joined #haiku[21:13:06] <luroh> don't take my word for it, but maybe you need to edit your haikuporter.conf[21:13:24] <luroh> it may be looking for gcc2 packages[21:14:02] <luroh> default primary arch is gcc2, i believe[21:14:50] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[21:15:09] <PulkoMandy> haikuporter.conf is for haikuporter[21:15:41] <PulkoMandy> I'm sure there is a libxml2_x86 package for gcc2hybrids, it's a dependency of webkit...[21:17:08] <luroh> yes, i see it in haikudepot[21:23:47] <scanty> there is.[21:23:54] <scanty> i have to build python_x86 first[21:23:57] <scanty> apparently[21:24:53] <KapiX> how do I build hybrid package with haikuporter?[21:25:00] <KapiX> any specific option?[21:27:37] *** happy-dude has joined #haiku[21:29:41] *** happy-dude has quit IRC[21:31:37] <jessicah> hi Duggan[21:31:50] <scanty> ok python_x86 built[21:31:54] <PulkoMandy> KapiX: use package_x86 instead of just package[21:31:56] <jessicah> i get my new intel box today[21:32:03] <scanty> let's try libxml_x86 now.[21:32:08] *** i336_ has joined #haiku[21:32:08] <jessicah> so can prolly resume uefi hacking again[21:32:18] <KapiX> PulkoMandy thanks[21:32:20] <PulkoMandy> scanty: it would be simpler to install the dependencies with pkgman instead of rebuilding with haikuporter[21:32:39] <scanty> oh[21:33:33] <scanty> so just pkgman install libxml_x86 ?[21:38:40] <PulkoMandy> yes[21:38:45] <PulkoMandy> libmxl2_x86[21:39:14] <Theoden> Is Haiku Depot installed on hrevr1 alpha4-44702 ?[21:40:12] <PulkoMandy> 44702 sounds very old[21:40:18] <PulkoMandy> is that the official alpha4?[21:40:41] <PulkoMandy> if yes, it's too old, get a recent nightly at http://www.haiku-files.org[21:40:56] <Theoden> PulkoMandy: Yes.[21:40:57] *** fhein has quit IRC[21:41:36] <Theoden> PulkoMandy: I tried that and other apps didn't work - appears the devs release nightlies without everything included.[21:41:52] <Theoden> Couldn't even run webpositive.[21:42:18] <IIsi50MHz> Well, some nightlies are broken. I've been lucky though.[21:42:37] <Theoden> I'd live to run the nightlies, but I need a complete one. Can't tell from the website.[21:43:10] <IIsi50MHz> Nightlies do leave out a lot of applications, but Web+ should be there. /-:[21:43:23] <IIsi50MHz> And Haiku Depot.[21:43:50] <PulkoMandy> Theoden: Web+ only works in gcc2hybrid (the official and supported build)[21:44:06] <PulkoMandy> others are currently broken until someone builds an updated package for them[21:44:32] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[21:44:32] *** HaikuUser is now known as scanty_[21:44:41] <scanty_> ~/Desktop/pretendo-0.5a1-1_x86> pkgman install libxml2_x86[21:44:41] <scanty_> Downloading repochecksum-1...[21:44:42] <scanty_> ##################################################[21:44:43] <scanty_> Finished downloading repochecksum-1.[21:44:43] <scanty_> Validating checksum for HaikuPorts...[21:44:44] <scanty_> Validating checksum for HaikuPorts complete.[21:44:44] <scanty_> *** failed to find a match for "libxml2_x86": Name not found[21:46:01] <Theoden> IIsi50MHz: Well see, that's the problem - new users need to be able to get the most recent nightlies in order to use the os -p but if they are incomplete, the experience sux, and new users will walk away after a short while.[21:47:03] <Theoden> Are their eany recent nightlies that are known to be complete?[21:47:08] <Theoden> any[21:47:31] <IIsi50MHz> True. Also keep in mind that an alpha OS is mainly for developers, rather than users.[21:47:33] <IIsi50MHz> one moment[21:47:44] *** happy-dude has joined #haiku[21:47:57] <Theoden> IIsi50MHz: Then they shouldn't release it to the public.[21:48:10] <IIsi50MHz> erm[21:48:18] <IIsi50MHz> The developers _are_ public.[21:48:30] <IIsi50MHz> It's not like a group of guys in one room.[21:49:08] <IIsi50MHz> It's just like items on SourceForge: often incomplete, relying on various volunteer programmers to work on it in their spare time until it's done.[21:49:13] <Theoden> I'm frustrated. The 'official' release is not supported, and you can't get any help for it - just advice to use a nightly. The nightlies are incomplete and some things don't work. It's begin ning to look like a lose lose to me.[21:50:09] <luroh> Theoden: hm, what are you missing in the nightly gcc2h build?[21:50:44] <Theoden> The one I tried wouldn't even run the web browser. So I dumped it right away.[21:51:24] <luroh> ok, understandable. fwiw, hrev47114 seems to work fine here and Web+ even plays videos[21:51:25] *** narendraj9 has quit IRC[21:51:46] <luroh> http://haiku-files.org/haiku/development/[21:51:48] <Theoden> luroh: Is it complete? like the release?[21:52:09] <luroh> it is not a release build, so no User Gude, for example[21:52:10] <IIsi50MHz> I understand the frustation, though; there seems to be quite a lot of debate over when to release the next alpha. "Now!" "No, let's finish this feature first..." "But..."[21:52:13] <luroh> Guide*[21:52:41] *** stargater has joined #haiku[21:53:46] <luroh> other than that, not sure if anything is missing compared to a release build[21:54:01] <scanty_> so how do I install libxml2_x86 with pkgman?[21:54:06] <Premislaus> PulkoMandy: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/92245884/Haiku%20OS/Web%2B-47114.png - screen by DKnoto, for google.pl, this is normal?[21:54:22] <jessicah> scanty_: on a gcc2h build?[21:54:32] <scanty_> gcc4[21:54:33] <Theoden> luroh: 47114 is the one I tried. WebPositive would not run. Missing libs.[21:54:33] <PulkoMandy> doesn't look normal[21:54:42] *** happy-dude has quit IRC[21:54:45] <PulkoMandy> google.pl works here[21:54:46] <jessicah> scanty_: it won't exist for a gcc4 only build afaik[21:54:52] <jessicah> it'll be just libxml2[21:55:13] <PulkoMandy> yes, libxml2_x86 is only on gcc2hybrids[21:55:15] <KapiX> Premislaus, it's gcc4h with 1.2.5[21:55:21] <scanty_> oh[21:55:24] <Premislaus> ahh, ok, sorry[21:55:30] <scanty_> then there's no way my app will run on a gcc2h system?[21:55:49] <PulkoMandy> why?[21:55:50] <jessicah> scanty_: what you need to do in your recipe file is use the {archSuffix} type stuff in the package depends[21:55:57] <PulkoMandy> you don't need to actually install it to build your package?[21:56:00] <luroh> Theoden: hm, could it be something on your end, perhaps? are you running a clean build or have you frankensteined it over an old version or something?[21:56:10] <PulkoMandy> you will need two different packages for gcc4 and gcc2h systems[21:56:25] <PulkoMandy> that's why I told you to use haikuporter, which can do that more automatically[21:56:29] <Theoden> luroh: Clean build. Blank drive.[21:56:30] *** pemdp has joined #haiku[21:56:38] <luroh> Theoden: it definitely works here, no missing libs, promise :)[21:56:45] <luroh> that's just ...odd[21:56:50] <scanty_> ok, but my app wont' compile on gcc2[21:57:10] <jessicah> PulkoMandy: and that's one of the biggest problems with the packaging setup :)[21:57:26] <PulkoMandy> how is that a problem?[21:57:28] <jessicah> scanty_: you enable a secondary arch in your haikuporter.conf file[21:57:46] <jessicah> and then in the recipe, something along the lines of "only gcc4 build"[21:57:49] <PulkoMandy> scanty_: the 'hybrid' in gcc2hybrid means there IS a gcc4 compiler[21:57:58] <jessicah> you can look at the web+ recipe to see how that's done[21:58:05] <PulkoMandy> webkite recipe[21:58:06] <jessicah> something like !x86_gcc2 somewhere[21:58:11] <PulkoMandy> web+ is built in haiku sources[21:58:23] <jessicah> err, sorry, yeah[21:58:32] <scanty_> i did my packageinfo by hand[21:58:43] <scanty_> i don't know to do with haikuporter[21:58:49] <PulkoMandy> scanty_: you can use "setarch x86" in terminal to use gcc4[21:59:24] <Theoden> luroh: Well, I'm definately interested in Haiku. But I'm not sure it's worth the hassle at this point. I can't even get a decent enough install to really try it out.[21:59:27] <PulkoMandy> (and likewise, setarch x86_gcc2 on a gcc4hybrid to use gcc2. not sure why you would ever need that, but it's there)[21:59:32] <jessicah> PulkoMandy: say R1 is out the door, and the next version you drop gcc2 support (that's the stated goal); suddenly every single package doesn't install anymore. it's too brittle[21:59:45] <scanty_> so I can't just install libxml2_x86?[21:59:52] <scanty_> on my gcc4 system?[22:00:01] <PulkoMandy> no, not on a gcc4 system[22:00:05] <PulkoMandy> you can't mix them[22:00:18] <PulkoMandy> that's why you should be using a gcc2hybrid which is the official supported build[22:00:23] <PulkoMandy> jessicah: that's not the plan[22:00:28] <scanty_> ok, back to the drawing board then[22:00:34] <jessicah> landon's fatelf would've resolved all those problems :p[22:00:35] <scanty_> bbiab going to install new VM[22:00:38] *** scanty_ has quit IRC[22:00:52] <PulkoMandy> the plan is, R2 keeps gcc2 compatibility, and comes with a new API/ABI for gcc4[22:00:55] <luroh> Theoden: wish i could tell you what's wrong... but it just doesn't ring a bell with me[22:00:59] <PulkoMandy> (or clang or whatever we'll use by then)[22:01:13] <IIsi50MHz> Hrm, I just added http://haiku-files.org/haiku/development/rss to my Feedly and I'm the only subscriber (of those on Feedly, I presume)[22:01:14] <PulkoMandy> the new API would go in a lib/R2/ folder or so[22:01:24] <PulkoMandy> so all the gcc2 packages would still work and look at the root lib/ dir[22:01:34] <PulkoMandy> but anything new will be properly version-prefixed[22:01:49] <PulkoMandy> and then, in R3, we finally remove gcc2 and the legacy mess[22:01:59] <PulkoMandy> (and introduce lib/R3, probably)[22:02:32] <PulkoMandy> so, if people stop using the gcc4hybrid builds, there is no problem[22:02:42] <PulkoMandy> if they insist on using that, their packages will break[22:02:43] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[22:02:54] <Theoden> luroh, IIsi50MHz: Well thanks for the help guys. I appreciate it. Not sure if I'll be back or not. But thanks. :)[22:02:56] <PulkoMandy> but we're clear about that: the stable API/ABI for R1 is gcc2 and there's no way out of that[22:03:17] <IIsi50MHz> Theo, make sure you get the right variant:[22:03:28] <PulkoMandy> (and yes, we should get R1 AND R2 out as soon as possible so people have a stable gcc4 ABI to do serious work with...)[22:03:28] <jessicah> so we're going to end up with a code base littered with #ifdef __HAIKU_R2__ or equivalent everywhere going forward?[22:03:30] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[22:03:30] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[22:03:34] <jessicah> sounds like just moving from one mess to another[22:03:50] <IIsi50MHz> http://haiku-files.org/haiku/development/[22:03:51] <PulkoMandy> jessicah: no, we will have src/R1/ with the old stuff[22:04:06] <PulkoMandy> and the new API will start with a copy of it but quickly derive to something else[22:04:12] <jessicah> so two trees, twice as many bugs to fix[22:04:21] *** Theoden has quit IRC[22:04:26] <PulkoMandy> R1 will have no bugs. No need to change them later on :)[22:04:38] <PulkoMandy> more seriously, yes[22:05:01] *** happy-dude has joined #haiku[22:05:01] <PulkoMandy> but, there's no way out of that for a clean transition without massive compatibility breakage[22:05:01] <jessicah> sounds like a completely ill-conceived plan[22:05:12] <PulkoMandy> you have a better one?[22:05:22] <jessicah> drop gcc2 post R1[22:05:35] <PulkoMandy> that still breaks all existing apps[22:05:39] <IIsi50MHz> Which...would cause much breakage.[22:05:39] <jessicah> support R1 for some time, move straight to R2[22:05:50] <PulkoMandy> still 2 codebases to maintain[22:05:56] <PulkoMandy> you didn't win anything so far[22:06:13] <jessicah> you have a platform freeze[22:06:31] <jessicah> and in that time, devs have the opportunity to slowly repackage apps for a gcc4 only system[22:06:43] <PulkoMandy> it means an R2 system that starts with no apps[22:06:48] <PulkoMandy> and people sticking to R1[22:06:59] <jessicah> no it doesn't[22:07:02] <PulkoMandy> (we already have some people still running alpha 3 because it's faster...)[22:07:39] <PulkoMandy> well it amounts to the same anyway[22:08:00] <PulkoMandy> as we move on in R2 development, people will start using the new APIs, and the old ones will be as little used as our BeOS compat is now[22:08:15] <Anarchos> hi jessicah[22:08:22] <PulkoMandy> try running some BeOS apps, you'll see that a lot of stuff is broken, yet no one really cares[22:08:52] <jessicah> then may as well drop gcc2 support before R1 even :p[22:08:54] <PulkoMandy> it just makes it possible in the early R2 days to run the system without having a sudden compatibility drop[22:09:16] <jessicah> because haiku certainly doesn't meet the original goal of a drop-in replacement for BeOS R5[22:09:36] <PulkoMandy> jessicah: in theory yes. But if we do that, people will start developping new APIs, moving everytrhing to C++11, and, next thing you know it's year 2030 and R1 still isn't released[22:09:51] <PulkoMandy> so, just drop an R1 release NOW, and move on to R2[22:09:57] *** axeld has quit IRC[22:10:03] <PulkoMandy> at least we'll have one stable release this way[22:10:43] *** Duggan has quit IRC[22:11:06] <jessicah> i'd drop gcc2 just prior to release. we have haikuports; releasing gcc4-only hpkg will be straight-forward. can encourage devs to build for both gcc2h & gcc4-only images... and drop legacy sooner rather than later[22:11:15] <IIsi50MHz> Well, part of the breakage with BeOS compat is because many network apps were for BeOS R5, and many were for R5 Dano...which are incompatible with each other. So one of those two has no support at all in Haiku.[22:11:54] <PulkoMandy> jessicah: well that's the plan for R2[22:12:06] <PulkoMandy> so you're just one release ahead[22:12:24] <PulkoMandy> (or more likely the Haiku project is already one release late)[22:13:00] *** axeld has joined #haiku[22:13:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[22:13:13] <PulkoMandy> basically, R1 would be a freeze of the gcc4 API/ABI[22:13:31] <PulkoMandy> (including some gcc4 exclusive things like WebKit)[22:14:00] <PulkoMandy> R2 removes the gcc2 side, and from there we can start building a new API[22:14:40] <PulkoMandy> it's just a matter of not breaking things, R1 could be short-lived, just to let devs migrate their apps to gcc4 and rebuild their packages or whatever[22:14:45] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[22:15:02] <PulkoMandy> (and I expect R2 to come shortly after as we'll get an avalanche of bugreports)[22:15:10] <jessicah> and that's what's silly. there's nothing to stop them doing that right now :)[22:16:10] <PulkoMandy> we don't have a *stable* API yet[22:16:50] <PulkoMandy> that's the problem. We need to set in stone all the new things we introduced, Locale, Layout, Services Kit, the WebKit API, ...[22:17:07] <PulkoMandy> R1 will set a fixed reference for all those things so people can start relying on them[22:17:07] <scanty> OK creating new virtual machine for gcc2h[22:17:17] <jessicah> gcc2 apps can use the new APIs as well... so i don't see what the difference is[22:17:19] <PulkoMandy> otherwise their apps get broken everytime we change something there[22:17:40] <PulkoMandy> they can, but it's unsupported[22:18:13] <PulkoMandy> we currently have 2 APIs, only one of them can be officially supported as we need to carry it to the next release to allow smooth migration[22:18:32] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[22:18:44] <PulkoMandy> the choice is on the gcc2 one so far[22:18:44] <jessicah> hi Duggan[22:19:15] <PulkoMandy> anyway, at the speed things are going, we'll probably drop x86 support before R2 is out, so...[22:19:29] <jessicah> i don't see two APIs in the tree[22:19:37] <jessicah> only the public headers, and the private headers[22:19:39] *** happy-dude has left #haiku[22:19:44] <jessicah> is that what you mean by "two APIs"?[22:21:27] <PulkoMandy> two ABIs, sorry[22:21:54] <PulkoMandy> we really don't want to release R2 with gcc2-R1, gcc4-R1, and gcc4-R2 ABIs/APIs[22:22:05] <PulkoMandy> so we decided to keep gcc2-R1 and gcc4-R2[22:22:06] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[22:23:00] <PulkoMandy> I'm actually not agreeing with this, I think we should keep gcc4-R1 (as set by the R1 release) and gcc4-R2[22:23:08] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[22:23:09] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[22:23:29] *** kcj has joined #haiku[22:23:32] <PulkoMandy> but, last time there was a decision on this, it gcc2 won. Maybe we can have a new vote about this...[22:23:52] *** ivi has quit IRC[22:24:11] <PulkoMandy> one way or another, I think keeping one of the R1 ABIs in R2 is needed, to allow people to migrate from R1 to R2 without having to wait for all the apps to be migrated[22:24:49] * IIsi50MHz tries to hug all his old BeOS/gcc2 apps, the realises they're all on old HDs that haven't even been in a computer for 10-15 years[22:25:21] <IIsi50MHz> I guess...my 'archival strategy' agrees with dropping gcc2 support.[22:25:42] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[22:25:58] <PulkoMandy> I still have a BeOS install but use it only to check if strange behavior on Haiku is replicating BeOS bugs or not[22:26:41] <PulkoMandy> so yes, gcc2 is not very useful anymore, but if you want the modern thing, get a 64-bit version of Haiku, or the ARM or PPC port or whatever[22:26:45] <PulkoMandy> and forget about all this[22:26:50] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[22:26:55] <IIsi50MHz> If I really want some app from BeBits as a working reference for something to clone, I can install a copy of BeOS. (:[22:27:15] <bbjimmy> is video support added in hrev47114?[22:27:44] <PulkoMandy> HaikuWebKit 1.3.0 adds it, not sure the hrev where I uploaded it[22:28:01] <scanty> jessicah, how do I set my mouse up as USB touchpad?[22:28:05] <scanty> so I can get that transparency[22:28:18] <PulkoMandy> it's for gcc2hybrids only so far, waiting for other devs to build the gcc4 and 64bit packages[22:28:34] <jessicah> settings > system > pointing device = USB Tablet[22:28:43] <scanty> I can build webkit 64-bit later[22:28:48] <scanty> after I sort this out[22:29:15] <luroh> bbjimmy: yes[22:29:21] *** stargater has quit IRC[22:29:47] <bbjimmy> haikuwebkit_x86-1.3.0-2-x86_gcc2.hpkg[22:30:02] <bbjimmy> does nothing with youtube[22:30:27] <luroh> i had some success with vimeo, but not youtube[22:30:50] <IIsi50MHz> try changing youtube.com/html5 preference?[22:30:51] <PulkoMandy> not all youtube videos work, yet[22:30:55] *** subcritical has quit IRC[22:31:04] <bbjimmy> guesws I need to wait for a future version. :([22:31:08] <PulkoMandy> and playback will only start after the video is fully downloaded in most cases[22:31:16] <IIsi50MHz> Also, some youtube videos /never/ work when HTML5 mode is enabled.[22:31:23] <IIsi50MHz> Regardless of browser or OS>[22:31:31] <IIsi50MHz> ^H^H.[22:31:45] <bbjimmy> haqvent found one that works.[22:32:14] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[22:32:35] *** HaikuUser is now known as scanty_[22:32:41] <scanty_> okay[22:32:43] <scanty_> back up[22:32:47] <scanty_> in gcc2h[22:33:33] *** vgezer has joined #haiku[22:34:00] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[22:35:49] *** axeld has quit IRC[22:35:50] <PulkoMandy> bbjimmy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEQVXBbWbts works here[22:36:38] *** ec has joined #haiku[22:37:32] <DaaT> PulkoMandy, noticed that, on the movies that don't automatically start playing, play controls don't work (hitting the Play button does nothing). On the ones that do start playing, pausing and start again works fine[22:39:31] <PulkoMandy> yes, all videos should autostart, when they don't, there's no way to play them :([22:39:49] <PulkoMandy> I'm not sure what's happening, yet, I'll continue investigating[22:39:52] <DaaT> shame[22:40:02] <DaaT> sure you'll get it :)[22:41:52] <scanty_> jessicah: thanks for the mouse tip, it's a lifesaver![22:46:09] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:47:50] *** Duggan3 has joined #haiku[22:49:37] *** stargater has joined #haiku[22:50:30] *** freedomrun has quit IRC[22:51:46] *** Duggan has quit IRC[22:51:46] *** Duggan3 is now known as Duggan[22:52:21] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[23:02:21] *** stargater has quit IRC[23:02:45] *** freedomrun has joined #haiku[23:03:06] *** PasNox has quit IRC[23:06:24] <Duggan> well then...[23:06:25] *** freakazoid0223_ has joined #haiku[23:06:47] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[23:08:03] <Duggan> hi jessicah :)[23:08:11] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[23:13:16] <scanty_> great, there's no boost for this platform[23:13:29] <scanty_> now i can't build my emulator[23:14:33] <PulkoMandy> I uploaded the packags for boost last week...[23:15:03] <scanty_> I did a haikuporter boost[23:15:06] <scanty_> and it says[23:15:23] <PulkoMandy> boost_x86[23:15:23] <scanty_> *skipping boost[23:15:24] <scanty_> * skipping boost-1.55.0, as it is broken on the target architecture.[23:15:24] <scanty_> *** No version of boost can be built[23:15:30] <scanty_> ah[23:15:46] <PulkoMandy> and again, use pkgman[23:15:51] <PulkoMandy> no need to rebuild everything[23:16:48] <Duggan> PulkoMandy has the answer![23:17:06] <scanty_> fatal error: boost/noncopyable.hpp: No such file or directory[23:17:07] <scanty_> #include <boost/noncopyable.hpp>[23:17:22] *** ivi has joined #haiku[23:17:28] <KapiX> scanty_ did you change arch?[23:17:31] <Duggan> yeah I kinda get that problem on openssl/ssl.h[23:17:58] <Duggan> when building Haiku... in the first copy of the repo I pulled down... second works...[23:18:27] <Duggan> also did a rebase and reconfigure but still fails... 2nd one built like a champ first try[23:18:44] <scanty_> setarch x86?[23:19:32] <KapiX> yes[23:19:39] <scanty_> yes[23:20:03] <scanty_> i need gcc4[23:20:09] <KapiX> and you have installed boost packages from haikudepot?[23:20:14] <scanty_> gcc -v tells me 2.95[23:20:19] <scanty_> I did pkgman install boost_x86[23:20:28] <KapiX> there are more packages[23:20:37] <scanty_> oh[23:20:40] <KapiX> https://depot.haiku-os.org/#/[23:20:50] <PulkoMandy> after setarch x86, gcc -v should say 4.8.something[23:20:58] <PulkoMandy> setarch is local to the shell you do it in[23:21:13] <PulkoMandy> (what it does is adjusting some environment variables)[23:21:36] <KapiX> scanty_ install boost_x86_devel[23:21:36] <scanty_> still can't find boost[23:21:38] <PulkoMandy> another solution is to use gcc-x86 instead of gcc as your compiler[23:21:40] <scanty_> ah[23:21:52] <PulkoMandy> yes, you need the devel package[23:22:00] <PulkoMandy> also, sorry, time to sleep here[23:22:06] <PulkoMandy> good luck getting this running[23:22:14] <PulkoMandy> 'night[23:22:15] <scanty_> thanks[23:22:17] <scanty_> seeya[23:22:18] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:22:38] <scanty_> pkgman install boost_x86_devel[23:22:38] <scanty_> Downloading repochecksum-1...[23:22:39] <scanty_> ##################################################[23:22:39] <scanty_> Finished downloading repochecksum-1.[23:22:40] <scanty_> Validating checksum for HaikuPorts...[23:22:41] <scanty_> Validating checksum for HaikuPorts complete.[23:22:41] <scanty_> *** failed to find a match for "boost_x86_devel": Name not found[23:22:56] *** freakazoid0223_ has quit IRC[23:23:16] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[23:23:17] *** TheHitMan has quit IRC[23:23:28] <KapiX> scanty_ maybe use HaikuDepot?[23:24:10] <scanty_> i am in haikudepot[23:24:14] <scanty_> i don't see any boost_devel[23:24:37] <KapiX> maybe you're on old hrev?[23:24:54] <scanty_> 47114[23:25:13] <KapiX> https://depot.haiku-os.org/#/ change arch to x86_gcc2 on the top of the site[23:26:10] *** Theoden has joined #haiku[23:26:24] <scanty_> ok i see it there[23:26:26] <Theoden> luroh: You there?[23:26:26] <scanty_> now what[23:26:31] <KapiX> another solution could be to run haikuporter boost_x86[23:26:38] <luroh> Theoden: yes[23:27:03] <Theoden> luroh: Now running hrev47114[23:27:36] <luroh> ah... any lib problems?[23:28:19] <Theoden> WebPositive won't run. Missing files.libwft.so libjavascriptcore.so - libwebcore.so libwebkit.so[23:28:38] <luroh> Theoden: is this the same install or a new one?[23:29:02] <luroh> also, what's the name of the image file you downloaded?[23:29:19] <Theoden> Brand new. Deleted the old partition - created a new one. Then installed using anyboot image on CD.[23:29:32] <luroh> right[23:29:54] <Theoden> I'm on a different HD now - can't look - it's the latest one one the dev nightlies page.[23:30:05] <scanty_> ~/haikuports> haikuporter boost_x86_devel[23:30:06] <scanty_> Checking if any package-infos need to be updated ...[23:30:06] <scanty_> Looking for stale package-infos ...[23:30:07] <scanty_> * skipping boost-1.55.0, as it is broken on the target architecture.[23:30:08] <scanty_> *** No version of boost can be built[23:30:19] <luroh> Theoden: gcc2 hybrid?[23:30:27] *** stargater has joined #haiku[23:30:35] <Theoden> I think yes - top one listed on the page.[23:30:58] <IIsi50MHz> From this page: http://haiku-files.org/haiku/development/ ?[23:31:04] <Theoden> \Yes.[23:31:07] <luroh> can you check? i'd like to download and try myself, maybe you've found a bug in one of the images[23:31:38] * luroh doesn't want to download every flavour just to be sure[23:31:39] <Theoden> I can't - WebPositive won't ru n, an d this drive is not dual boot. I changed out the drive in this laptop.[23:32:18] <Theoden> Just go to that page - it's the very top - top - top - one - anyboot image .zip[23:32:21] <luroh> can you run the About app?[23:32:33] <Theoden> yup[23:32:39] <KapiX> scanty_ not devel[23:32:46] <scanty_> oh[23:32:51] <KapiX> devel will build automatically[23:32:58] <luroh> Theoden: does it say anything about gcc2 or gcc4?[23:33:04] <Theoden> Walter (revision hrev47114[23:33:21] <scanty_> still get same error[23:33:25] <Theoden> x86_gcc2[23:33:36] <KapiX> weird, I built boost recently[23:33:39] <KapiX> with haikuporter[23:33:42] <scanty_> on gcc4?[23:34:06] <Theoden> luroh: Get that?[23:34:27] <luroh> Theoden: yes, should be gcc2h, i think[23:34:29] <KapiX> ah, yes, I use gcc4h[23:35:03] <Theoden> luroh: No 'h' there - just x86_gcc2[23:35:48] <IIsi50MHz> Strange. That sounds like you got one from http://haiku-files.org/unsupported-builds/x86-gcc2/ instead.[23:35:59] <luroh> Theoden: mine does too and i can run webpositive (which wouldn't be the case if it was a pure gcc2 build)[23:36:20] <luroh> Theoden: i think you may have found a bug in the About app :)[23:36:34] <IIsi50MHz> O, that's confusing.[23:36:38] <luroh> i believe it shouldn't say x86_gcc2[23:36:38] *** TheHitMan has joined #haiku[23:37:11] <KapiX> luroh, on gcc4h its just x86[23:37:24] <luroh> anyway, i'll download the anyboot and see if i can repeat the problem in vbox or vmware[23:37:54] <Theoden> luroh: k. You see? I'm not really nutts. :)[23:38:04] <luroh> KapiX: that's probably ok, i believe the official gcc2h flavour shouldn't say anything about gcc[23:38:50] <luroh> Theoden: your copy of web+ came with the image, correct?[23:39:20] <luroh> (as opposed to downloaded separately from somewhere)[23:39:22] <scanty_> so what do I do about boost?[23:39:23] <Theoden> luroh: Hey - I just noticed something, and now it works.[23:40:35] <luroh> Theoden: care to elaborate? :)[23:41:37] <Theoden> luroh: On my old version, I had created a link to WebPositive on the desktop. For some reason, it showed up again when I installed this version. But it gave the lib errors I told you about.[23:41:39] <KapiX> scanty_, give me a minute[23:41:50] <Theoden> I went and started it from the menu and it runs.[23:42:02] <scanty_> sure[23:42:09] <scanty_> i see the devel package in haikudepot[23:42:19] <luroh> Theoden: ah, so some leftovers from an old install then[23:42:29] <luroh> told ya ;)[23:42:40] <scanty_> when i ttry installing it it says "Fatal error encountered while installing package boost_x86_devel: failed to find a match for "boost_x86_devel" ()[23:43:09] <luroh> Theoden: glad it's sorted. cya around, i hope :)[23:43:11] <luroh> good night[23:43:14] <Theoden> luroh: But I completely deleted the old partition.[23:43:27] <Theoden> thianks luroh - nite nite.[23:43:38] *** luroh has quit IRC[23:48:30] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[23:49:06] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[23:50:25] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[23:52:35] *** DKnoto has joined #haiku[23:53:10] *** scanty_ has quit IRC[23:53:17] *** kcj has quit IRC[23:53:29] <IIsi50MHz> Did you save changes?[23:54:02] *** guillaum1 has joined #haiku[23:54:16] <guillaum1> hi all[23:54:40] *** scanty_ has joined #haiku[23:55:18] <guillaum1> Is there a specific reason to not have libSDL in HaikuDepot ?