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[02:09:39] <Theoden> New to Haiku - very interesting os experience.
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[02:22:22] <AlienSoldier> Theoden welcome
[02:22:55] <Theoden> AlienSoldier: Thank you.
[02:23:21] <alpha123> Haiku is great. I really do hope it makes it as a project and becomes a viable alternative to OS X.
[02:23:28] <Theoden> Still have a few difficulties, but all in all, it works very well.
[02:24:22] <AlienSoldier> what are you talking about, the OS is perfect :P
[02:24:37] <Theoden> lol
[02:25:05] <AlienSoldier> i am in the process to migrate to it fully
[02:25:23] <AlienSoldier> probably sunday if all go well
[02:25:30] <Theoden> Wireless networking still needs some work though.
[02:27:18] <AlienSoldier> i come from BeOS R5 so for me it is pretty much an improvement on all aspect
[02:28:04] <AlienSoldier> i just miss one R5 driver so far (the CMedia one)
[02:28:07] <Theoden> lol - yeah I suppose so.
[02:28:56] <Theoden> Well - I'm setting on my laptop in the living room, with a network cable strung fro the office to here so I can get on the net.
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[02:42:35] <Theoden> Yeah - weill they have the drivers - and I put in the firmware, it it sees it as an ethernet card, not wlan, so wifi isn't working. it sux. ;)
[02:45:09] <AlienSoldier> i don't know if this is the case but for video card it often was just a case of adding the PCI vendor ID and recompile
[02:46:28] <AlienSoldier> in any case, if no ticket exist, developer have little chance to fix it
[02:50:28] <Theoden> yup
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[03:08:53] <Theoden> AlienSoldier: Bug report entered - Ticket #10746.
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[03:09:34] <AlienSoldier> Theoden now find another bug :)
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[03:16:38] <Theoden> AlienSoldier: hah ha - actually, this one is really important to me so I will hold here and hope the do spmething to fix this.
[03:16:59] <Theoden> AlienSoldier: The way it is is it's kind of a show stopper.
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[03:23:56] <luroh> Theoden: you'll have to test with a nightly build, r1a4 is ancient and unsupported
[03:41:42] <Theoden> luroh: So you are saying I have install it all over again?
[03:41:57] <luroh> yep
[03:42:03] <Theoden> This was the version on the website for download, an d it's not supported?
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[03:42:14] <luroh> exactly
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[03:42:33] <Theoden> That sounds just a bit quirky.
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[03:43:10] <squareface> hello
[03:43:15] <luroh> i'm sorry, someone should have asked you what version you were running, before recommending creating a ticket
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[03:44:37] <Theoden> luroh: ok. But they should relink that web page then - it's kinda nutts to offer as the recommended download a version not even supported.
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[03:45:27] <luroh> it's the official release, but it's an alpha, no patches are going to be created for it, it's stable but a dead end, so to speak
[03:47:27] <luroh> also, you'll probably need to provide a syslog
[03:52:14] <Theoden> luroh: Ok - I'll take that on tomorrow. Gotta run - thanks guys for the help and friendliness.
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[03:52:18] <Theoden> Chow
[03:52:29] <luroh> see ya :)
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[04:07:23] <Theoden> luroh: What was that link again for the latest version?
[04:07:58] <Theoden> thx
[04:08:27] <AlienSoldier> Theoden i saw you got the old version. There was a lot of imporovement since then.
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[04:19:31] <Theoden> AlienSoldier: Let's hope. :)
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[04:51:46] <Duggan2> greetings earth creatures
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[05:03:54] <Duggan_Haiku> openssl still isn't building :'(
[05:06:33] <Duggan_Haiku> /boot/home/Desktop/Repo/haiku/src/kits/mail/ServerConnection.cpp:15:26: fatal error: openssl/ssl.h: No such file or directory
[05:06:38] <Duggan_Haiku> any ideas? :/
[05:11:55] <waddlesplash> Duggan_Haiku: using haikuporter, right?
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[05:17:57] <scanty> any package experts (or smarties) around?
[05:18:17] <Duggan_Haiku> waddlesplash no?...
[05:18:39] <waddlesplash> Duggan_Haiku: well, try it
[05:19:14] <Duggan_Haiku> I didn't realize it's required for a regular Haiku build...
[05:19:15] <waddlesplash> scanty: well, I know more than a n00b would
[05:19:26] <waddlesplash> Duggan_Haiku: well, all the packages are built that way
[05:19:33] <waddlesplash> and all the patchsets are there too
[05:19:39] <waddlesplash> scanty: so, ask away
[05:19:52] <Duggan_Haiku> ok, this is all news to me seeing as I've been out of the loop for approx the last 2 years...
[05:20:03] <scanty> waddlesplash, i am trying to make a package that provides a binary, a readme, an xml file, and a rom image. i know where the binary goes, but i don't know where the other files are supposed to live
[05:20:08] <Duggan_Haiku> I thought that was just to help with porting stuff...
[05:20:50] <waddlesplash> well, yes
[05:20:59] <waddlesplash> but now with PM it takes care of building all the packages
[05:21:00] <Duggan_Haiku> someone might want to consider adding it to the image and/or putting it in the package manager if it's required for a build... and maybe updating the docs on the website too...
[05:21:10] <waddlesplash> Duggan_Haiku: It's not required
[05:21:14] <waddlesplash> but for packaging it is
[05:21:25] <waddlesplash> if you're testing an app, you don't need it
[05:21:29] <Duggan_Haiku> I just want to get where I can build :/
[05:21:29] <waddlesplash> or debugging
[05:21:39] <waddlesplash> Duggan_Haiku: maybe you need to be using GCC4...?
[05:21:49] <Duggan_Haiku> setgcc appears to be missing from the image as well
[05:22:01] <waddlesplash> Duggan_Haiku: replaced with "setarch" which is waaaaaaaaaaay less hacky
[05:22:08] <waddlesplash> type setarch x86
[05:22:10] <Duggan_Haiku> ah, thanks
[05:22:25] <Duggan_Haiku> I'm on a gcc4 hybrid trying to build a gcc4 hybrid...
[05:22:30] <waddlesplash> Duggan_Haiku: oh
[05:22:45] <waddlesplash> well, you shouldn't need haikuporter then IIRC
[05:22:58] <waddlesplash> I thought you were trying to replace system OpenSSL
[05:23:00] <Duggan_Haiku> ;)
[05:23:02] <Duggan_Haiku> nope...
[05:23:06] <waddlesplash> scanty: hm, dunno
[05:23:18] <waddlesplash> look in /system and see what you think
[05:23:20] <Duggan_Haiku> just trying to build... which apparently doesn't happen "out of the box" as they say... at least not in my situation
[05:23:33] <waddlesplash> Duggan_Haiku: haiku on haiku building always was touchy
[05:23:47] <waddlesplash> Duggan_Haiku: I know PulkoMandy does it all the time tho, you could ask him
[05:23:52] <Duggan_Haiku> nah, I had it down pat a couple years ago
[05:24:09] <Duggan_Haiku> he thought it might have been something to do with the UserBuildConfig... wasn't
[05:24:15] <Duggan_Haiku> one sec, trying another build
[05:24:19] <waddlesplash> oh well, I'm a n00b here
[05:24:26] <waddlesplash> never built haiku, ever :P
[05:24:28] <scanty> maybe non-packaged/data
[05:24:31] <scanty> i don't know
[05:24:32] * waddlesplash always just used the nightlies
[05:24:40] <waddlesplash> scanty: a packaged app should not use non-packaged
[05:24:47] <waddlesplash> is this static or dynamic data?
[05:24:51] <Duggan_Haiku> I almost always built my own
[05:25:05] <scanty> it's 3 read-only files
[05:25:09] <Duggan_Haiku> didn't fix it... same error...
[05:25:12] <Duggan_Haiku> let me try 32 bit...
[05:25:14] <Duggan_Haiku> er
[05:25:16] <Duggan_Haiku> gcc2
[05:25:21] <scanty> or two, whatever.
[05:25:33] <scanty> err 3.
[05:25:51] <scanty> i know where the app goes
[05:25:54] <scanty> just not the other files
[05:25:57] <waddlesplash> scanty: I thought there was a /system/data folder...
[05:26:03] <Duggan_Haiku> actually let me try to jam with -a before I say it doesn't work :P
[05:26:03] <waddlesplash> maybe that would suit you?
[05:26:14] <waddlesplash> Duggan_Haiku: you ran configure first, right?
[05:26:18] <Duggan_Haiku> yep
[05:26:28] <waddlesplash> just checking the obvious :P
[05:26:39] * Duggan_Haiku isn't a n00b, just a little rusty and not up to date on what the kids call "hip" these days.
[05:26:51] <waddlesplash> ok, well, anyone with a hefty Haiku box handy?
[05:26:59] <Duggan_Haiku> define "hefty" ;)
[05:27:07] <waddlesplash> Duggan_Haiku: >=2 cores
[05:27:16] <waddlesplash> and willing to spend some serious time compling
[05:27:17] <Duggan_Haiku> I'm running native on 2 cores
[05:27:22] <waddlesplash> goody
[05:27:26] <scanty> ah it must be system/data
[05:27:47] <waddlesplash> well actually this may be a bad idea
[05:27:52] <waddlesplash> as you're on gcc4h
[05:27:55] <Duggan_Haiku> scanty sounds about right but I'm not one to talk on that
[05:28:05] <waddlesplash> scanty: yep, sounds right to me
[05:28:11] <Duggan_Haiku> waddlesplash what are you working on?
[05:28:21] <waddlesplash> what I don't know is how to write your HaikuPorter recipie to put it there :P
[05:28:25] <waddlesplash> Duggan_Haiku: Qt-Haiku
[05:28:41] <Duggan_Haiku> lol qt... BeAPI's evil cousin...
[05:29:03] <waddlesplash> evil?!
[05:29:26] <waddlesplash> great, another Be fanatic blind to teh awesomeness of Be's cousin
[05:29:27] <Duggan_Haiku> yep... ever notice how the two are so similar? might have something to do with how they were developed at the same time...
[05:29:37] <waddlesplash> Duggan_Haiku: Qt was mainstream sooner
[05:29:43] <waddlesplash> (1995 was Qt launch)
[05:29:48] <Duggan_Haiku> qt wasn't as awesome though :P
[05:29:59] <waddlesplash> Duggan_Haiku: when was the last time you looked at Qt?
[05:30:01] <Duggan_Haiku> qt has it's place, I'm not anti-qt... I'm just pro BeAPI :P
[05:30:15] <waddlesplash> well, you referred to it as "evil"...
[05:30:32] <Duggan_Haiku> in jest... if you choose to take that statement seriously, feel free :)
[05:30:54] <waddlesplash> well, if you give me BeAPI everywhere with a GUI designer and an IDE, I might seriously consider it
[05:31:05] <waddlesplash> but it's little more than a hobbyist thing now
[05:31:21] <waddlesplash> ~80mb or so, i think
[05:31:35] <waddlesplash> it may or may not build, i have no clue at all
[05:31:42] <Duggan_Haiku> alright, I'll give it a shot
[05:31:54] <waddlesplash> Duggan_Haiku: build via ./configure, it'll ask you some questions
[05:32:12] <Duggan_Haiku> will do, anything else?
[05:32:12] <waddlesplash> then "make -j2"
[05:32:21] <Duggan_Haiku> cool
[05:32:31] <waddlesplash> then zip the "bin" folder and send it to me (if it builds, that is)
[05:32:53] <Duggan_Haiku> mind if I ask why you can't?
[05:33:02] <Duggan_Haiku> just curious
[05:33:56] <waddlesplash> Duggan_Haiku: on a 2-core laptop that runs Haiku in vbox (shared laptop, can't install directly)
[05:34:04] <waddlesplash> and I tried to but it was just slooooooooooow
[05:34:23] <waddlesplash> and I won't be home to use my beefy desktop for a few days, and I would like a build to twiddle with
[05:34:45] <waddlesplash> so if you can't, that's fine
[05:34:50] <Duggan_Haiku> alright... I'll give it a shot
[05:35:10] <Duggan_Haiku> ... after my latest attempt at building haiku ends.... successfully or otherwise...
[05:38:34] <Duggan_Haiku> I assume you want it compiled with gcc2?
[05:40:41] <Duggan_Haiku> crash and burn...
[05:44:02] <waddlesplash> nope
[05:44:04] <waddlesplash> gcc4
[05:44:15] <waddlesplash> requires gcc4 actually
[05:44:22] <waddlesplash> fails with "qMax not defined" otherwise
[05:44:41] <waddlesplash> Duggan_Haiku: gah, I have to turn this PC off
[05:44:54] <waddlesplash> just memo me, I'll get it tomorrow morning, ok?
[05:45:40] <waddlesplash> if it succeeds that is
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[06:26:44] <Duggan_Haiku> anyone perchance know why the build is broke for a gcc4 hybrid to build a gcc4 hybrid?
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[07:35:34] <HaikuUser> this is
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[07:49:25] <PapaPitufo> oy
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[07:56:45] <PapaPitufo> umm
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[07:58:15] <PapaPitufo> how do i know if i have haiku gcc 2 or haiku gcc 4? i have r1alpha4
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[08:06:02] <IIsi50MHz> IIRC, that's gcc2/4 hybrid.
[08:06:13] <IIsi50MHz> blah, peer.
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[08:08:08] <IIsi50MHz> ...and of course the user didn't register so I canna send a MemoServ response either.
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[08:26:37] <humdinger> hi scanty! I read that you're still unsure where to put your three read-only files.
[08:27:25] <humdinger> scanty: Why don't you put all together withe binary into apps/whats-the-name-of-the-app-again/ ?
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[08:29:30] <stargater> moin
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[08:31:25] <Begasus> moin stargater
[08:34:30] <stargater> moin Begasus
[08:35:18] <Begasus> long time no see :) how is it going there?
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[08:41:23] <stargater> iam from time to time here
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[08:41:32] <stargater> so far so lala
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[08:55:18] <Begasus> looking good stargater :)
[08:55:43] <stargater> thanks
[08:56:53] <stargater> you can sell too , we have prices for resellers.
[08:57:49] <stargater> bbl
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[09:02:13] <irker-709> 5ba7abf: AddOnManager: remove useless traces
[09:02:13] <irker-709> ba65f39: Update HaikuWebkit to 1.3.0.
[09:02:13] <irker-709> cfc4b62: Network Kit: Prepare for HTTP range requests
[09:02:14] <irker-709> 9b1f41b: AddOnManager: remove more annoying traces.
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[09:32:59] <irker-709> 4991d3f: Fix build.
[09:36:18] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #2538 of x86-FreeBSD-host is complete: Failure [failed [x86_gcc2] @release-anyboot [x86_gcc2] @release-vmware [x86_gcc2] @release-cd [x86_gcc2] @nightly-raw [x86] @release-anyboot [x86] @release-vmware [x86] @release-cd [x86] @nightly-raw [x86gcc4hybrid] @release-anyboot [x86gcc4hybrid] @release-vmware [x86gcc4hybrid] @release-cd [x86gcc4hybrid] @nightly-raw
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<HAIKU-Buildbot_> [x86gcc4hybrid] build repository haiku [x86gcc4hybrid] upload_haiku_repository [x86gcc2hybrid] @release-anyboot [x86gcc2hybrid] @release-vmware [x86gcc2hybrid] @release-cd [x86gcc2hybrid] @nightly-raw [x86gcc2hybrid] build repository haiku [x86gcc2hybrid] upload_haiku_repository] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-FreeBSD-host/builds/2538
[09:36:19] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> blamelist: Adrien Destugues <pulkomandy at pulkomandy dot tk>
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<paulivanov> hey gang - I'm trying out a nightly (-hrev47105-x86gcc2hybrid) and got this error: http://imgur.com/jDLyWBr where shall i report it and how shall i proceed?
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[09:51:43] <HaikuUser> bye
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[09:54:06] <PulkoMandy> paulivanov: hi, our bugtracker is at dev.haiku-os.org
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[09:54:35] <PulkoMandy> there are several possible causes for this error, what are you booting from? usb?
[09:54:51] <PulkoMandy> and which format of nightly is that? anyboot?
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[09:57:46] <paulivanov> correct on both counts, PulkoMandy
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[10:36:10] <Begasus> POLICY WARNING: Invalid top-level package entry "share"
[10:36:25] <Begasus> any idea where I can find some info on this? (haikuporter)
[10:36:26] <puckipedia> It's a folder, right?
[10:36:36] <Begasus> normaly it's a folder yes
[10:36:39] <puckipedia> Okay
[10:36:52] <puckipedia> iirc, there's only a few top-level entries: apps, bin, data
[10:36:59] <puckipedia> and some more, iirc
[10:37:13] <puckipedia> But share isn't in that list
[10:37:27] <Begasus> is there a place where they can be found (documentation)?
[10:37:40] <puckipedia> Can you pastebin the recipe?
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[10:38:15] <puckipedia> found it
[10:38:18] <puckipedia> anyways
[10:39:01] <Begasus> that's for freeciv ;)
[10:39:21] <Begasus> thanks, checking
[10:39:59] <puckipedia> I think I see what the problem is
[10:40:05] <Begasus> right, share isn't in the list
[10:40:05] <puckipedia> "--prefix=$prefix"
[10:40:17] <puckipedia> and it probably creates a share folder with the data
[10:41:14] <PulkoMandy> "share" should be "data" on haiku
[10:41:39] <PulkoMandy> runConfigure and all the options you added should do that already
[10:41:42] <puckipedia> It's a configure.ac
[10:41:44] <PulkoMandy> but it looks like we missed some
[10:41:55] <puckipedia> Ah, I think I found the problem?
[10:42:01] <PulkoMandy> you can look in your work dir what's exactly in the installed share folder
[10:42:09] <puckipedia> ah, that too
[10:42:19] <PulkoMandy> may be localeDir, or at least I often saw thiw one having problems
[10:42:48] <PulkoMandy> paulivanov: ok, make sure your usb disk isn't plugged on an USB3 port (we don't support that yet)
[10:43:06] <PulkoMandy> and maybe try booting from a CD to see if it makes a difference
[10:43:26] <puckipedia> iirc, the xhci driver didn't work for me
[10:44:33] <Begasus> there isn't a share folder in the working one puckipedia
[10:44:39] <puckipedia> ehm
[10:44:48] <puckipedia> it's in .self iirc
[10:45:36] <PulkoMandy> there must not be a share folder :)
[10:45:50] <Begasus> no .self folder also ;)
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[10:46:31] <puckipedia> Welp, I forgot where it was
[10:47:29] <Begasus> added datadir ... let's see if that changes anything
[10:47:54] <PulkoMandy> it should be in /Donnees/Dev/Haiku/ports/media-libs/devil/work-x86-1.7.8/packaging or something like that
[10:48:01] <PulkoMandy> (fix the port name)
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[10:50:02] <Begasus> found it ;)
[10:50:31] <Begasus> 3 folders in there (appdata, applications, picmaps)
[10:51:05] <puckipedia> pixmaps?
[10:51:07] <Begasus> hmm warning is still there
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[10:51:18] <puckipedia> correct
[10:51:38] <PulkoMandy> applications can probably be removed (it contains some .desktop files, but we have other ways to manage deskbar links)
[10:51:52] <puckipedia> Sounds like it is mostly Gnome/KDE support
[10:51:52] <PulkoMandy> same for pixmaps (you'll have to draw an HVIF icon instead)
[10:51:58] <puckipedia> appdata, however...
[10:51:58] <PulkoMandy> not sure about appdata
[10:52:10] <puckipedia> Probably contains a folder like freeciv
[10:52:11] <PulkoMandy> puckipedia: not just gnome/KDE, it's the FreeDesktop standard
[10:52:13] <puckipedia> which contains data
[10:52:18] <PulkoMandy> works with all window managers
[10:52:30] <puckipedia> Well, it doesn't work with i3 :)
[10:52:34] <puckipedia> i3wm
[10:52:46] <PulkoMandy> (well, actually Debian has update-menus that will convert things to the native menu format for each of them)
[10:52:58] <PulkoMandy> well yes, all those that have a kind of menu for this
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[10:53:44] <puckipedia> Yep, I even got the applications folder to work with wmaker
[10:55:34] <Begasus> hmm after adding datadir I have a folder usr in the work folder ...
[10:56:03] <puckipedia> yep, probably hardcoded?
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[10:56:10] <puckipedia> You may need to modify the configure.ac
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[11:38:40] <irker-709> 02cdea9: BTab: use ControlLook to draw label.
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[12:05:52] <stargater> re
[12:22:45] <puckipedia> Woo! I'm going to SFO tomorrow!
[12:28:14] <puckipedia> (for GCi)
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[12:33:45] <Begasus> enjoy :)
[12:33:50] <puckipedia> :P
[12:33:57] <puckipedia> Except for waking up at 0500
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[12:53:20] <Premislaus> hello
[12:58:00] <puckipedia> hi
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[15:39:59] <waddlesplash> puckipedia: you're home now, right? Got access to a Haiku machine with >=2 cores?
[15:41:40] <waddlesplash> or anyone else here with a good machine willing to donate 30m of compile time or so?
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[15:49:10] <waddlesplash> arfonzo: ping
[15:49:31] <waddlesplash> Whops, bbsoon
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[17:00:20] <scanty> anyone here good with package creation?
[17:00:29] <scanty> i'm having a bit of trouble and i need some advice
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[17:04:12] <scanty> specifically can'tget it to create a user-settings-file directory in ~/config/settings
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[17:07:09] <humdinger> scanty: I think that you only specify a settings folder/file in the .PackageInfo (or recipe). That doesn't put a file there. Your app has to do that.
[17:07:17] <bbjimmy> scanty have the program make the file.
[17:07:26] <humdinger> though I'm not sure what the "template" parameter is used for exactly...
[17:07:52] <scanty> so have my program create ~/config/settings/my app/myapp.config?
[17:07:54] <scanty> for example?
[17:07:59] <humdinger> yes.
[17:08:08] <bbjimmy> user writable directories don't work.
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[17:09:07] <scanty> so then what is the point of user-settings-file in the .PackageInfo?
[17:09:23] <bbjimmy> good question.
[17:10:59] <humdinger> I'm not entirely sure. Maybe the system can then make sure to also move your settings when you migrate your package somewhere else?
[17:11:26] <bbjimmy> be careful with it, I tried to make a cionfig file using relative directories and it ended up deleting all the files on a partition when I tried to install the .hpkg.
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[17:12:11] <bbjimmy> safer to have the program create the file.
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[17:14:02] <bbjimmy> PM is still a work in progress.
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[17:40:25] <scanty> ok, nothing i couldn't fix without a little mkdir()
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[17:47:08] <scanty> now i have to figure out hwo to get 3 files into a folder in /boot/system/data
[17:47:14] <scanty> and my package should be done.
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[17:49:09] <humdinger> can't you just put them into "data" which will then end up either in /system/data or /boot/home/config/data?
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[17:49:36] <scanty> what do you mean "put them into data"
[17:50:15] <humdinger> just like you put your binary into the "apps" folder and add that to the package, you can add a "data" folder.
[17:50:43] <scanty> i have a data folder
[17:50:54] <scanty> there is no /boot/home/config/data path.
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[17:51:03] <humdinger> it the files for "data" are specific to your app and not used by other apps, you could also put them into your app's folder and be done with it.
[17:51:21] <humdinger> apparently no app has created that yet.
[17:51:36] <humdinger> but if you include it into your package, it'll be there
[17:52:06] <scanty> i just want to include a readme, an xml file, and a rom image
[17:52:21] <humdinger> why not put it in your app's folder then?
[17:53:03] <scanty> hmm
[17:53:34] <humdinger> you don't have to spread your files around for no reason. :)
[17:54:46] <scanty> that's a good idea, i just don't know how to do it.
[17:55:11] <scanty> i thought for "provides" you can only have a binary
[17:55:17] <scanty> and then that binary lives in apps
[17:55:52] <humdinger> just create a folder "apps", create a folder in there called "your-app-name" and copy all your files there.
[17:56:27] <scanty> oh, let me try that
[17:56:58] <humdinger> with "provides" you just tell the PM that your package will provide this app, in case some other app relies on that.
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[18:03:40] <scanty> hmm i'm trying hold on
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[18:12:10] <scanty> so everything should live in /boot/home/config/apps/pretendo now?
[18:12:13] <scanty> is that what you mean?
[18:12:24] <humdinger> yes.
[18:12:49] <scanty> hi ho diggity
[18:13:12] <humdinger> though it depends of course where you install it. It might as well end up in /system/apps/pretendo
[18:14:46] <scanty> i thought user apps go in ~/config/system/apps
[18:15:36] <humdinger> config/apps is for your user only, /system/apps/ is for all users,
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[18:15:45] <humdinger> once Haiku becomes multiuser aware
[18:15:52] <scanty> oh
[18:15:58] <scanty> hey waitasec.
[18:16:09] <scanty> this also means I don't have to use ~/config/settings for my app either
[18:16:24] <scanty> i can just plop the settings file right in the folder
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[18:16:42] <scanty> one stop shopping.
[18:16:44] <scanty> ;-)
[18:16:51] <humdinger> problem: your apps folder is write protected
[18:17:02] <scanty> oh
[18:17:18] <scanty> then I will have to leave it in ~/config/settings
[18:18:41] <humdinger> I think your settings will probably always come from ~/config/settings.
[18:19:08] <humdinger> apps usually look for their settings in B_USER_SETTINGS_DIRECTORY
[18:19:20] <humdinger> to always load the correct settings for the current user.
[18:20:30] <scanty> ah
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[18:24:49] <scanty> well i think my package is ready
[18:24:59] <scanty> hopefully people want to play NES in haiku
[18:25:06] <humdinger> scanty: you see, preparing a package is pretty much how you would zip up your stuff before PM, that was supposed to be unpacked in /boot/home/
[18:25:31] <humdinger> you create an "apps" folder with a subfolder with all your app's files.
[18:25:43] <humdinger> maybe also a "libs" folder.
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[18:25:47] <scanty> gotcha
[18:25:50] <scanty> i used to do that on BeOS
[18:25:56] <scanty> I had a /boot/home/apps folder
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[18:26:05] <scanty> in inside there i had individual folders for each app
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[18:26:20] <humdinger> it's still the same for PM.
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[18:27:21] <humdinger> so... where can I get your game now? :)
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[18:52:38] <scanty> hmmm having a weird XML problem
[18:52:48] <scanty> if i run the app from CLI, it finds the XML file
[18:52:53] <scanty> if i run it from GUI it does not
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[19:53:23] <smcollinswork> when is the next build going to occur ?
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[20:12:08] <louisdem> Hello! :)
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[20:16:01] <alpha123> smcollinswork: tonight... unless by "next build" you mean "next official stable release", in which case the answer is "when it's ready"
[20:16:20] <alpha123> if you actually mean the next build, they happen every night
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[20:21:23] <louisdem> I think smcollinsworks is eager to test youtube
[20:21:36] <louisdem> with the latest changes to web+... :)
[20:21:45] <smcollinswork> I've been testing for about a week now
[20:22:06] <louisdem> :)
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[20:38:29] <smcollinswork> peace out
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[20:41:03] <louisdem> Peace :)
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[21:06:07] <SpawnPPC> Hi to all! Nice to meet all you ! I'm Emanuele, from Italy ! Any good Haiku follower ? XD
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[21:18:06] <SpawnPPC> Anyone here ?
[21:19:02] <leszek> yep joined a few seconds ago ;)
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[21:33:24] <SpawnPPC> Great !
[21:34:04] <SpawnPPC> Just for know it... is possible to UPGRADE Haiku with an online website or AutoUpdate software like others O.S. ?
[21:34:30] <scanty> I'm having trouble with a BFile, can anyone help me for a sec?
[21:34:32] <SpawnPPC> That's becouse the STABLE PUBLIC version online is very old and the nightly ISO are more recent with alot of difference
[21:36:00] <SpawnPPC> How I can update the Haiku installed OS without lost all my utilities, preferences, impostations, and others custom options ?
[21:36:09] <PulkoMandy> scanty: yes?
[21:36:10] <SpawnPPC> Sorry for my bad english, I'm italian ! XD
[21:36:33] <PulkoMandy> SpawnPPC: updating from the alpha to a current nightly isn't really possible
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[21:37:01] <PulkoMandy> what you can do is backup your home folder (and particularly home/config/settings) as everything is stored there
[21:37:07] <scanty> ok, I am trying to open a BFile from a file called nescarts.xml which is in the same path as my binary
[21:37:09] <scanty> so...
[21:37:40] <scanty> BFile xmlFile("nescarts.xml", B_READ_ONLY);
[21:37:47] <scanty> fails InitCheck().
[21:37:54] <PulkoMandy> scanty: this will only work if you start the binary from terminal
[21:38:01] <PulkoMandy> otherwise, your working dir is home
[21:38:06] <scanty> yes, I noticed that
[21:38:15] <scanty> oh really?
[21:38:23] <PulkoMandy> you can use chdir(dirname(argv[0])) in main to fix that
[21:39:11] <scanty> is there another, perhaps more elegant way to do that?
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[21:39:47] <PulkoMandy> several solutions :)
[21:40:00] <PulkoMandy> you can use get_image_info to find back the path to your executable
[21:40:20] <scanty> ok, that sounds nice.
[21:40:22] <PulkoMandy> and, what I think is the "BeOS way", you could bundle the file directly inside the executable as a BResource instead of a separate file
[21:40:54] <scanty> is get_image_info() in the kernel libs?
[21:41:21] <PulkoMandy> actually
[21:41:26] <PulkoMandy> use BApplication::GetAppInfo()
[21:41:36] <scanty> okay
[21:41:48] <PulkoMandy> mh... trying to remember how to extract the path from that...
[21:42:28] <PulkoMandy> ah, yes, the app_info struct has an entry_ref as a member
[21:42:47] <scanty> and then use the entry ref
[21:42:48] <scanty> right
[21:42:50] <scanty> OK
[21:42:52] <scanty> I will do that way
[21:43:12] <PulkoMandy> yes, then you can build a BPath from the entry ref, get the parent, and that's your app dir
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[21:55:41] <scanty> how do I go from a BPath to a regular filename
[21:55:51] <PulkoMandy> BPath.Path()
[21:55:57] <scanty> ah
[21:57:17] <SpawnPPC> PulkoMandy: Thanx, if I try to install on LiveUSB a nightly version (maybe latest), is it possible to UPDATE it automatically in the next release ?
[21:57:40] <SpawnPPC> Premislaus: Hi. Thanx. Have you already tryed it ? Work perfectly ?
[21:57:50] <PulkoMandy> yes, the nightlies have a package manager that makes it more easily possible
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[21:59:03] <SpawnPPC> PulkoMandy: OK. So I just need to make a LiveUSB with latest nightly and after I can easy update it. Great ! XD Thanx for the idea... but... is possible to make an install version from latest nightly to a normal pc in HD ?
[21:59:53] <PulkoMandy> the installer is available in the applications menu
[22:00:09] <PulkoMandy> so run the live usb and run installer from there
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[22:11:34] <scanty> PulkoMandy, thanks
[22:11:35] <scanty> it works now
[22:11:42] <PulkoMandy> :)
[22:12:02] <scanty> going to clean up some code, then release a hpkg of my emulator
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[22:15:03] <SpawnPPC> PulkoMandy: for make the liveusb with latest anyboot version nightly is the same procedure of the stable version, is true ?
[22:15:46] <IIsi50MHz> Actually, my DDR3 PC is having problems POSTing, and my DDR2 PC only boots if the WinXP SP3 Install USB-stick is plugged into it...
[22:15:56] <IIsi50MHz> I'm kinda screwed (-:
[22:24:04] <PulkoMandy> SpawnPPC: yes, the same procedure should work
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[22:25:25] <SpawnPPC> PulkoMandy: great, I will do it now then ! Thanx for all ! XD
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[23:19:17] <Wizard> Ping.
[23:19:30] <Wizard> Any hints for adding Haiku to win7 ntloader?
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[23:32:16] <louisdem> maybe by using grub...
[23:32:38] <louisdem> not sure on ntloader...
[23:35:18] <Wizard> Grub on windows? :P
[23:35:44] <louisdem> yes
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[23:36:26] <louisdem> I think :D
[23:36:47] <louisdem> But you can also try PLoP
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[23:38:24] <louisdem> There's also GAG...
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