April 11, 2014 
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April 11, 2014 [00:06:59] *** DaaT has quit IRC[00:10:12] <Wizard> Hmm..[00:10:50] <Wizard> At least Thom still mentions OSes on osnews, not only that mobile crap :P[00:11:22] <Skipp_OSX> aren't mobile OS's still OS's?[00:16:10] <Wizard> Oh..[00:16:31] <Wizard> They are. But you know..[00:17:01] <Wizard> It is all about nostalgia..[00:17:30] <jessicah> hobby OS and stuff seems not as big as it used to be[00:17:47] <jessicah> and outside of a VM, modern hardware can be difficult to support[00:17:51] <Wizard> Definitely.[00:18:07] <Wizard> It is very difficult to write an OS today.[00:18:11] <jessicah> used to love the hobby OS scene[00:18:18] <Wizard> Me too.[00:19:59] <jessicah> at least we have haiku :D[00:21:02] <Skipp_OSX> it's harder to have a hobby OS on mobile because you need the hardware and contracts with the carriers[00:22:28] <jessicah> i meant in general[00:29:39] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[00:31:27] <AlienSoldier> by definition, as there is paid develloper, Haiku is no longer a hobby OS[00:37:10] <Skipp_OSX> that's ridiculous[00:41:08] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[00:41:58] <scanty> how does one repair a broken package[00:42:04] <scanty> unrar is broken and i want to fix it[00:44:35] *** jua__ has quit IRC[00:47:45] <scanty> nm i think i figured it out[00:52:12] *** hackkitten has joined #haiku[01:02:53] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[01:03:02] *** HaikuUser is now known as SMCollins[01:03:03] <Begasus> ok, last try on freeciv for tonight[01:03:26] <SMCollins> freeciv on haiku ?[01:03:36] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[01:03:55] <Begasus> yep SMCollins[01:04:22] <SMCollins> wow, I remeber that being sketchy in the past[01:05:04] <Begasus> did a few ports in the past, started from scratch now with the a new recipe now[01:05:36] <SMCollins> cool, I wish you luck[01:06:03] <Begasus> well, I got it as far as building ;) installing and running isn't there yet[01:06:37] <johndrinkwater> does openra work on haiku?[01:06:46] <SMCollins> openra or opera ?[01:07:05] <SMCollins> or open areana ?[01:15:29] *** ex-parrot has joined #haiku[01:15:54] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[01:16:50] *** Muzer has quit IRC[01:17:04] <SMCollins> out see yall later[01:17:09] *** SMCollins has quit IRC[01:20:34] <Begasus> g'night all[01:20:46] *** Begasus has quit IRC[01:22:49] *** freedomrun has joined #haiku[01:22:54] *** Jafura has quit IRC[01:25:19] *** ex-parrot has quit IRC[01:29:02] *** jstressman has left #haiku[01:33:27] *** jstressman has joined #haiku[01:34:16] *** kkux has joined #haiku[01:40:05] *** orealis has joined #haiku[01:40:27] *** NumberNoid is now known as zz_NumberNoid[01:49:55] <scanty> unrar is looking for <unistd.h>, soI hacked in a -l/boot/system/develop/headers/posix in there, and it's still not found[01:50:01] <scanty> am i doing something wrong?[01:50:08] <scanty> i mean[01:50:10] <scanty> not -l[01:57:33] <hamishm__> that's already in the include path[01:59:21] <scanty> whose include path?[01:59:40] <scanty> if it were in the include path to begin with, it'd be found[02:05:23] <hamishm__> scanty: cpp's default include path[02:05:46] <scanty> it's not finding it regardless.[02:06:32] <hamishm__> odd[02:06:38] <hamishm__> what's the exact error message?[02:07:28] *** scanty_ has joined #haiku[02:07:57] <scanty_> Building ...[02:07:58] <scanty_> g++ -I/boot/system/develop/headers/posix -O2 -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -DUNRAR -c rar.cpp[02:07:59] <scanty_> In file included from rar.hpp:5:0,[02:07:59] <scanty_> from rar.cpp:1:[02:08:00] <scanty_> os.hpp:141:20: fatal error: unistd.h: No such file or directory[02:08:00] <scanty_> #include <unistd.h>[02:08:01] <scanty_> ^[02:08:01] <scanty_> compilation terminated.[02:08:02] <scanty_> make: *** [rar.o] Error 1[02:08:03] <scanty_> Command '['/bin/bash', '-c', '. /wrapper-script']' returned non-zero exit status 2[02:08:03] <scanty_> keeping chroot folder /boot/home/haikuports/app-arch/unrar/work-4.2.4 intact for inspection[02:08:04] <scanty_> *** Build has failed - stopping.[02:08:52] <hamishm__> oh[02:09:05] <hamishm__> probably because it's not available in the chroot[02:09:23] <hamishm__> I think you need to declare haiku_devel as a dependency in the recipe[02:09:31] <hamishm__> or something along those lines[02:15:54] *** Muzer has joined #haiku[02:16:19] <scanty_> i tried this[02:16:24] <scanty_> BUILD_PREREQUIRES="[02:16:25] <scanty_> haiku_devel >= $haikuVersion[02:16:26] <scanty_> "[02:16:34] *** freedomrun has quit IRC[02:16:36] <scanty_> same problem[02:17:37] *** oco2 has quit IRC[02:26:34] <hamishm__> what about BUILD_REQUIRES?[02:29:33] <scanty_> BUILD_REQUIRES="[02:29:33] <scanty_> haiku_devel >= $haikuVersion[02:29:34] <seekwill> Hi. I'm using the nightly build. If I boot into video safe mode, how can I switch to the radeon driver?[02:29:34] <scanty_> cmd:make[02:29:34] <scanty_> cmd:g++[02:29:35] <scanty_> "[02:29:42] <seekwill> oops, sorry[02:30:53] <scanty_> same problem still[02:33:02] <scanty_> i give up[02:33:10] *** scanty_ has quit IRC[02:42:30] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:53:37] <scanty> is there any site that has a tutorial on making hpkgs?[02:53:54] <scanty> i want to release an alpha of my NES emulator for people to play around with[02:59:52] *** happy-dude has joined #haiku[03:21:29] *** epigraph has quit IRC[03:27:27] *** Barrett has quit IRC[03:38:54] *** rvalles has quit IRC[03:38:54] *** jrabbit has quit IRC[03:39:50] *** jrabbit has joined #haiku[03:57:11] *** vgezer has quit IRC[03:58:47] *** happy-dude has quit IRC[04:24:05] *** rvalles has joined #haiku[04:42:55] *** scanty has quit IRC[04:44:41] *** scanty has joined #haiku[04:54:14] *** Duggan has quit IRC[05:03:17] *** SonicX has joined #haiku[05:04:18] *** _marc` has 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IRC[14:24:22] *** gbonvehi has quit IRC[14:24:31] *** gbonvehi- is now known as gbonvehi[14:29:37] *** KapiX has joined #haiku[14:30:18] *** gbonvehi has quit IRC[14:30:18] *** gbonvehi has joined #haiku[14:40:47] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[14:40:52] *** PlkMndy has joined #haiku[14:41:25] *** happy-dude has joined #haiku[14:49:53] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[14:53:22] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[14:55:04] *** stippi has joined #haiku[14:55:04] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[15:18:05] *** NumberNoid is now known as zz_NumberNoid[15:18:43] *** SonicX has joined #haiku[15:21:15] *** happy-dude has quit IRC[15:22:43] *** happy-dude has joined #haiku[15:25:55] *** leszek_ has joined #haiku[15:26:30] *** leszek has quit IRC[15:31:54] <scanty> is there a tutorial somewhere for creating hpkgs?[15:34:40] <PlkMndy> http://www.haiku-os.org/articles/gentle_introduction_haikuporter_1 and http://www.haiku-os.org/articles/gentle_introduction_haikuporter_2[15:37:30] <scanty> i just want to create a package with binary[15:37:34] <scanty> not including sources yete[15:37:36] <scanty> yet*[15:39:58] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[15:43:52] <KapiX> scanty, haikuporter usually creates two packages, one with binary, second with source, you can distribute just the first one[15:44:07] *** irker-709 has joined #haiku[15:44:37] <irker-709> haiku.master: korli * hrev47109 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=f13c224+%5E1520fff[15:44:37] <irker-709> f13c224: scsi_periph: fixed an "unused" warning.[15:45:54] *** leszek_ is now known as leszek[15:52:46] <scanty> I dunno, I can't wrap my head round it[15:52:50] <scanty> it seems complicated[15:53:51] *** vgezer has quit IRC[16:05:51] *** alvin_ has joined #haiku[16:07:32] *** happy-dude has quit IRC[16:07:59] <scanty> i just want to create a simple hpkg that has the binary and a rom image in, and an xml and configuration file in~/config/pretendo/[16:08:53] *** axeld has joined #haiku[16:08:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[16:13:17] <scanty> can anyone help?[16:13:46] <gordonjcp> scanty: what are you stuck on?[16:14:05] <KapiX> scanty, create recipe file, that in BUILD() section creates proper directory structure with mkdir and copies your files[16:14:23] <KapiX> I don't know how to specify local SRC_URI though[16:14:36] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[16:15:00] <KapiX> BUILD -> INSTALL*[16:15:11] <scanty> the only directory sturcture is that something has to go in ~/config/bin[16:15:22] <scanty> a folder with an xml file in it[16:15:34] <KapiX> so you need to create bin directory[16:15:50] <KapiX> and put your files in there[16:16:55] <scanty> err ~/config/settings[16:16:57] <scanty> i mean[16:17:01] <scanty> is where the xml goes[16:17:27] <scanty> inside a folder[16:18:50] <KapiX> you will need to add GLOBAL_WRITABLE_FILES to your recipe then[16:19:14] <KapiX> with "settings/yourpackage/config.xml"[16:20:14] <scanty> i dont' kow how any of thisworks, which is why i'm trying to finda good tutorial[16:20:39] <KapiX> well, the ones PulkoMandy gave you are good :P[16:20:48] <KapiX> also, if you don't want to use haikuporter[16:20:49] <KapiX> https://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/PackageManagement/BuildingPackages[16:21:14] *** happy-dude has joined #haiku[16:21:37] *** happy-dude has quit IRC[16:24:33] *** Hare has joined #haiku[16:26:00] <KapiX> basically, you need to have directory in which you have /bin/yourExecutable, /settings/yourExecutable.xml or /settings/yourExecutable/config.xml if there are more files, and .PackageInfo which in provides section declares cmd:yourExecutable + your settings file[16:26:27] <KapiX> then you cd into that directory, invoke 'package ../yourExe-version.hpkg'[16:26:34] <KapiX> hope that helps[16:35:42] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[16:37:27] <pseudomind> scanty: try https://www.haiku-os.org/articles/gentle_introduction_haikuporter_1 and https://www.haiku-os.org/articles/gentle_introduction_haikuporter_2[16:56:09] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[16:58:51] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #2403 of x86-Linux64-host is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-Linux64-host/builds/2403[17:00:00] *** DonLiu has joined #haiku[17:05:29] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #2688 of x86-debug-any-host is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-debug-any-host/builds/2688[17:08:17] *** stippi has quit IRC[17:16:41] *** DonLiu has quit IRC[17:23:40] *** alvin_ has quit IRC[17:23:45] *** jcay_mobile has quit IRC[17:45:47] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[17:45:50] *** alpha123 has quit IRC[17:50:09] *** netstar has joined #haiku[17:50:51] <netstar> HI all. I am trying to boot Haiku in QEmu, however everything I try the os boots to the memory icon and halts...any help or ideas?[17:51:21] <netstar> that's pretty vague. I know.[17:51:36] <netstar> essentially it doesn't finish booting[17:52:39] <PlkMndy> you can press space or shift before the boot screen appears[17:52:52] <PlkMndy> you'll get to the boot menu where you can enable debug output[17:53:23] <PlkMndy> also, is that alpha4.1? if so, try with a recent nightly from http://www.haiku-files.org[17:54:01] <netstar> thanks Pulko[17:54:25] *** stargater has joined #haiku[17:55:12] <netstar> ata 0: _DevicePresent: device 0, presence 1[17:55:16] <netstar> it hangs there[17:55:54] <netstar> using a nightly[17:58:15] <netstar> will try using a raw image now[17:58:20] <netstar> hopefully that'll boot[18:01:38] <netstar> wishful thinking[18:02:20] <netstar> it's laughing at me[18:03:32] *** stargater has quit IRC[18:04:17] <netstar> using qemu-system-i386 on ARMHF[18:06:16] *** luroh has joined #haiku[18:09:11] <humdinger> scanty: maybe for a quick&dirty test release, building you hpkg by hand instead of via haikuporter is an option.[18:09:16] <humdinger> see 3.2 of http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/daily-tasks/install-applications[18:09:40] <humdinger> The one thing I'mnot sure about is how to deal with the settings file.[18:09:59] <scanty> i'm trying to build it by hand now actualy[18:10:11] <scanty> the settings file is generated automatically when you run the emulator[18:10:22] <humdinger> ah[18:10:23] <scanty> it puts it in ~/config/settings/pretendo[18:10:27] <humdinger> now the it's easy.[18:11:14] <humdinger> just put a "user_settings_files= settings/pretendo directory" in the .PackageInfo[18:11:31] <scanty> cool[18:11:36] <scanty> wht about the xml file[18:11:42] <scanty> it needs to live in that place too[18:12:04] <humdinger> ah. see... getting complicated again. :)[18:12:37] <PlkMndy> scanty: is that file modified by the emulator after install?[18:12:48] <scanty> the xml is read only[18:12:53] <PlkMndy> if not, it's better to move it to data/[18:13:09] <scanty> whose data?[18:13:57] <PlkMndy> in the package[18:14:23] <PlkMndy> so it shows in /system/data or /home/config/data/ depending on where the package is installed[18:14:24] *** fhein has joined #haiku[18:14:33] <PlkMndy> (you can use find_paths to find it at runtime)[18:14:42] <PlkMndy> (or the BPathFinder class if you prefer C++)[18:18:03] <scanty> ok I will look into it.[18:18:11] *** SonicX has quit IRC[18:18:17] <scanty> thanks for the tips[18:19:02] <humdinger> takes a bit getting used to...[18:19:16] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[18:21:21] *** axeld has quit IRC[18:22:21] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[18:22:21] *** HaikuUser is now known as scanty_[18:22:34] <scanty_> i don't understand this part yet[18:22:40] <scanty_> provides {[18:22:41] <scanty_> example = 42.17-12[18:22:41] <scanty_> cmd:example = 3.1[18:22:42] <scanty_> }[18:23:33] <humdinger> That's the version of the app you package, like[18:23:48] <humdinger> pretendo = 1.1-1[18:24:53] <humdinger> The "-1" is an "internal revision" number, see my commentary here: http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/daily-tasks/install-applications#comment-28256[18:25:51] <humdinger> basically it has to be the same as what's under "version".[18:26:00] <scanty_> oh okay[18:26:09] <scanty_> provides {[18:26:10] <scanty_> pretendo = 0.5a1[18:26:11] <scanty_> }[18:26:21] <scanty_> like that?[18:26:29] <humdinger> still needs the "internal revision".[18:26:38] <humdinger> so add a "-1" if it's your first try.[18:27:11] <scanty_> ok[18:28:23] <scanty_> is there a variable for haiku current version[18:29:02] <scanty_> i have in the "requires" something like haiku >= r1~alpha4_pm_hrev46213=1[18:29:11] <scanty_> from an example[18:29:26] <humdinger> I dunno...[18:29:50] <humdinger> it has to be of a hrev <= your current one, of course.[18:30:10] <humdinger> And the package will work only for people with >= that hrev...[18:30:15] <scanty_> right[18:30:31] <scanty_> so i'm wondering if there's a variable for current hrev[18:30:37] <scanty_> like $version or something[18:32:30] <humdinger> I'm not 100% sure, but I suspect that the requires { haiku >= r1~alpha4_pm_hrev46213-1 } isn't really needed,[18:32:52] <humdinger> and the current release is inserted when packaging automatically.[18:33:22] <scanty_> though I do require libxml[18:33:32] <scanty_> so should I put in there lib:libxml2[18:33:56] <humdinger> yes.[18:34:24] * humdinger is no packaging pro though[18:36:36] <scanty_> requires {[18:36:36] <scanty_> lib:libxml2 >= 2.2.8.0[18:36:37] <scanty_> }[18:36:43] <scanty_> that OK?[18:37:12] <humdinger> looks OK to me[18:37:29] <PlkMndy> haikuporter has $haikuVersion[18:37:38] <PlkMndy> but you can't use that if you build your .packageInfo manually[18:38:11] <humdinger> BTW, the libxml2 that's in HaikuDepot is 2.8.0-6[18:38:53] *** Xenmen has joined #haiku[18:40:56] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[18:41:28] <scanty_> ok isntallng new one[18:44:59] <scanty_> ok new libxml is installing, what do I do about the two read-only files?[18:46:24] <humdinger> thought those were settings files?[18:47:10] <scanty_> there is one settings file which is r/w, an xml database for games info, and a small rom image to run in the emulator[18:47:19] <scanty_> that shows the old BeOS logo[18:47:59] *** PlkMndy has quit IRC[18:48:15] <humdinger> you could put it in a "data/pretendo" folder, I guess.[18:49:33] <scanty_> ok that works. where does this directory live, and how to i tell the package to have the files o there[18:49:37] <scanty_> go*[18:50:33] <humdinger> when you create the package you do a "package add youpackage.hpkg apps data lib" or whatever else folders you have.[18:51:03] *** Xenmen has quit IRC[18:51:19] <humdinger> And you should add a "global-writable-files = data/pretendo/your_r-w.xml" in the .PackageInfo[18:51:34] <scanty_> xml and rom are read only[18:51:46] <scanty_> they just need to be in a place wehre i can access them programatically[18:51:48] <humdinger> ok. no need for that then[18:53:41] <scanty_> might as well put the xml file with the config file actually[18:53:53] <scanty_> so theonly problem is specifying where the rom will go[18:55:15] <humdinger> if you put it into "data" it can end upp in either ~config/data/ or /system/data/.[18:55:48] <humdinger> you need "findpaths" or the C++ thingy PulkoMandy mentioned above.[18:56:18] <humdinger> Ingo gave me this hint a while back: "findpaths -p $0 B_FIND_PATH_DATA_DIRECTORY pretendo"[18:56:27] <humdinger> should return always the correct path[18:57:25] *** Xenmen has joined #haiku[18:57:32] *** vgezer has joined #haiku[18:57:34] <humdinger> have to go for bit...[18:57:36] * humdinger is idle: BRB[18:57:54] <scanty_> i just need to know where i create this data folder entry[18:57:59] <scanty_> in the package file[18:58:17] <humdinger> please reread http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/daily-tasks/install-applications[18:58:48] <scanty_> thanks[19:01:40] *** Jafura has joined #haiku[19:02:29] *** Sir_Designer has quit IRC[19:03:13] *** Sir_Designer has joined #haiku[19:09:32] <scanty_> ok i have made a data folder, which is actually a good thing, since I can store game sram in there, as well as save states.[19:17:06] * humdinger has returned[19:17:55] <humdinger> scanty_: if you're saving, you should add those files to the global-writable-files in the .PackageInfo[19:25:47] <scanty_> so just add an entry for my "pretendo_data" folder?[19:26:44] <humdinger> yes, as "data/pretendo/-your-writable-file"[19:27:54] <scanty_> well sram files and save states are done on the fly[19:28:01] <scanty_> so i'd have to make the whole folder writable[19:28:53] <humdinger> Then it's "data/pretendo directory"[19:29:05] <scanty_> gotcha[19:29:13] <humdinger> or better: "data/pretendo" directory.[19:29:16] <humdinger> mind the quotes[19:30:16] <scanty_> global-writable-files {[19:30:16] <scanty_> "settings/pretendo/pretendo.config" keep-old[19:30:17] <scanty_> "settings/pretendo/nescarts.xml"[19:30:18] <scanty_> "data/pretendo" directory[19:30:18] <scanty_> }[19:30:25] <scanty_> like that?[19:31:50] <humdinger> I guess the stuff under settings should go under "user-settings-files"[19:37:23] <scanty_> ok i think its ready to make a hpkg[19:37:33] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[19:38:03] * humdinger crosses fingers[19:38:04] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[19:40:37] <scanty_> Parse error in .PackageInfo(2:26) -> expected revision number (-<number> suffix)[19:40:39] <scanty_> hrm[19:40:45] <scanty_> 26 is a url[19:40:46] <scanty_> heh[19:41:22] <humdinger> you have the "internal revision" at your version, e.g. 1.0-1?[19:43:05] <scanty_> provides {[19:43:06] <scanty_> pretendo = 1.0-1[19:43:07] <scanty_> }[19:43:38] <humdinger> sounds OK...[19:45:30] *** zz_NumberNoid is now known as NumberNoid[19:46:14] <scanty_> ooh it worked[19:46:44] <humdinger> nice![19:46:44] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[19:47:11] *** hamishm has quit IRC[19:47:26] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[19:47:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[19:47:29] <scanty_> soemthing doesn't add up though[19:47:41] <scanty_> the binary is over 4MBytes, and the hpkg is like 1K[19:48:14] <humdinger> scanty_: easiest to first create the empty hpkg and then add your stuff.[19:48:47] <humdinger> so first "package create -b pretendo.hpkg"[19:48:52] <scanty_> i did that[19:49:18] <humdinger> that can't be right...[19:49:52] <scanty_> the data directory isn't there either[19:50:14] <humdinger> you're sure you added those to the package?[19:51:18] *** Hare has quit IRC[19:52:24] <scanty_> oh it looks likei have to add the binary myself[19:53:01] *** happy-dude has joined #haiku[19:53:14] <humdinger> right. probably in an apps/pretendo/ folder[19:57:07] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[19:57:57] <scanty_> hrm, not quite there yet[19:59:56] <scanty_> okay, i think it worked![20:00:01] <scanty_> where do i copy it to test it?[20:00:40] <humdinger> move it to ~/config/packages[20:01:10] <humdinger> then move it out and into /system/packages to see if your app still finds its roms etc....[20:06:05] <scanty_> ok I moved it to ~/config/packages[20:06:07] <scanty_> now what[20:06:40] <humdinger> now it should appear under ~/config/apps/pretendo[20:06:59] <humdinger> or whatever folder you put into the package[20:07:02] <scanty_> no apps folder there[20:07:04] <scanty_> hmm[20:07:32] <humdinger> what's your packaging command lines?[20:07:55] <scanty_> first this[20:07:57] <scanty_> package create -b pretendo-0.5a1-x86-gcc4.hpkg[20:08:34] <scanty_> then this[20:08:37] <scanty_> package add pretendo-0.5a1-x86-gcc4.hpkg apps[20:08:37] *** jjido_ has joined #haiku[20:09:15] <humdinger> the name should match the version string and the "-gcc4" isn't needed. "_x86" already is the gcc4 package[20:09:42] <humdinger> and in "apps" is your "pretendo" folder with the binary, right?[20:09:43] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[20:10:01] <humdinger> also, you have to also add the "data" folder.[20:10:40] <scanty_> oh right[20:10:47] <scanty_> ok let me try from scratch[20:14:01] <scanty_> still no apps folder[20:14:59] *** Barrett has quit IRC[20:16:14] <humdinger> you do have an "apps" folder in the folder you're in when creating the package, right?[20:16:24] <scanty_> yep, and I put the binary in there[20:17:00] <humdinger> and you add it to the hpkg...[20:17:06] <humdinger> I'm at a loss...[20:18:08] <scanty_> yeah[20:18:27] <humdinger> can you share a screenshot of your hpkg in Expander?[20:18:36] <scanty_> yeah onesec[20:18:40] <humdinger> (showing the contents, of course)[20:21:17] <humdinger> and maybe paste your .PackageInfo at http://sprunge.us/ ...[20:21:24] *** axeld has joined #haiku[20:21:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[20:23:01] *** kkux has joined #haiku[20:23:10] <scanty_> http://shell.reverse.net/~eli/incoming/screenshot1.png[20:25:00] *** jjido_ has quit IRC[20:25:14] <humdinger> I think the version and what's under "provides" must be the same,[20:25:56] <humdinger> i.e. version = 0.5a1-1 and provides: pretendo = 0.5a1-1[20:26:39] <humdinger> and then name the package pretendo_x86_0.5a1-1.hpkg[20:26:54] <humdinger> And, of course add the data folder too.[20:27:23] *** jjido_ has joined #haiku[20:27:30] <scanty_> ok 1sec[20:27:32] <scanty_> let me rebuild[20:28:14] <humdinger> correction, name the package retendo_x86-0.5a1-1.hpkg[20:29:29] <scanty_> pretendo-0.5a1-1_x86.hpkg[20:29:35] <scanty_> that's the package name now[20:29:36] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[20:29:38] <scanty_> is that correct?[20:30:17] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[20:30:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[20:30:20] <humdinger> pretendo-0.5a1-1-x86.hpkg[20:30:22] <humdinger> I think...[20:31:08] <scanty_> tomato, tomato.[20:31:12] <scanty_> ok i've renamed it[20:31:15] <scanty_> let me try adding to it[20:31:25] <humdinger> And you probably have to "requires" libxml2_x86 insted libxml2[20:32:31] *** Wizard has left #haiku[20:33:39] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[20:33:41] <Premislaus> hello[20:33:51] <humdinger> hullo[20:33:55] <scanty_> ok lets see[20:33:59] <scanty_> thanks for the help btw[20:34:10] <humdinger> not at all[20:34:35] *** kkux has quit IRC[20:37:05] <scanty_> "nothing provides lib:libxml2_x86 >= 2.8.0[20:37:32] <humdinger> have you installed that via HaikuDepot?[20:37:42] <scanty_> no, should i?[20:37:48] <humdinger> yes.[20:38:01] *** vgezer has quit IRC[20:38:50] <scanty_> says i have 2.9.1-1 installed[20:39:18] <humdinger> that's the version in HaikuDepot. SHould be OK, right?[20:39:30] <humdinger> it's > 2.8.0...[20:39:42] <scanty_> yeah, it's called lixml2, not libxml2_x86[20:39:51] <scanty_> and yes it certainly is greater than 2.8.0[20:40:06] <scanty_> there's a libxml2_x86 in there but it's for gcc2[20:40:23] <humdinger> "_x86" says it's the gcc4 version[20:41:21] <scanty_> i have libxml2 and libxml2_x86_gcc2 in my list[20:41:24] <scanty_> in haiku depot[20:41:32] <humdinger> ah.[20:41:41] *** SonicX has joined #haiku[20:41:44] <humdinger> you're not under a gcc2hybrid Haiku then.[20:41:46] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[20:41:52] <scanty_> nope[20:42:01] <scanty_> straight gcc4[20:42:23] <PulkoMandy> then your require mustr be libxml2[20:42:36] <PulkoMandy> and you'll need a different package for gcc2 haiku that requires libxml2_x86[20:43:02] <puckipedia> Why not haikuporter?[20:43:04] <humdinger> It may be best to use the official gcc2hybrid Haiku version...[20:43:14] <PulkoMandy> puckipedia: "too hard to use", or so I heard :/[20:43:19] <puckipedia> what?[20:44:27] <humdinger> puckipedia: if you just have a simple binary with few dependencies to package, using "package" can be easier.[20:44:32] <puckipedia> Well, still[20:44:36] <puckipedia> It's not repeatable[20:44:54] <PulkoMandy> it's not that much easier, not enough to be worth it I think[20:45:20] <puckipedia> The whole idea of haikuporter is so you don't depend on one person which knows to build X[20:45:27] <humdinger> can haikuporter work without an online repo?[20:45:32] <PulkoMandy> yes[20:45:36] <PulkoMandy> you can use file:// url[20:45:43] <puckipedia> nope[20:45:45] <humdinger> ah.[20:45:48] <puckipedia> just the path[20:45:57] <puckipedia> (relative to the folder the .recipe is in)[20:46:02] <PulkoMandy> well, or some other way, just the path, a local git repo, ...[20:46:10] <Ptrus> file://URL doesn't work[20:46:11] *** leszek has quit IRC[20:46:13] <puckipedia> correct[20:46:18] <PulkoMandy> we could add that[20:46:36] <humdinger> I see.[20:46:37] <puckipedia> if your zip file is in haikuports/media-apps/sequitur/thing.zip, just set SRC_URI to "thing.zip"[20:47:21] *** kkux has joined #haiku[20:47:50] <scanty_> failed to commit transaction: failed to open directory /boot/home/config/packages/administrative/writeable-files/pretend0.4a1-1/settings/pretendo: No such file or directory package pretendo-05a1-1-x86.hpkg[20:47:50] <Ptrus> I have been trying to use local files for quite a while. it just doesn't work with haikuporter.[20:47:58] <puckipedia> it should[20:48:04] <scanty_> that's what I get when I move the package to ~/common/packages[20:48:16] <puckipedia> It shouldn't error at all, moving it to that folder[20:48:29] <scanty_> should i pastebin my packageinfo?[20:48:31] <puckipedia> You probably meant ~/config/packages[20:48:51] <puckipedia> scanty_, well, should help[20:48:55] <humdinger> scanty_: can't hurt[20:49:56] <scanty_> http://pastebin.com/mDxmgnrC[20:52:46] <puckipedia> Anyways, I'm checking if I can add file:// and file:/// support to haikuporter[20:53:52] <humdinger> scanty_: have you added the data/pretendo_data to the package?[20:54:11] <scanty_> oh it has to be data/pretendo_data?[20:54:14] <humdinger> scanty_: and I'd put the settings folders under "user-settings-files"[20:54:41] <humdinger> scanty_: that's the folder you stated under "global-writable-files"[20:54:54] <humdinger> if you don't add that, it can't find it.[20:54:58] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[20:58:48] <PulkoMandy> puckipedia: uh[20:58:58] <PulkoMandy> the proper syntax is file:/path/to/file[20:59:01] <puckipedia> ah[20:59:06] <PulkoMandy> please don't replicate this // or /// mess[20:59:09] <puckipedia> HTML uses file:///[20:59:12] <PulkoMandy> no[20:59:17] <PulkoMandy> that's wrong but happens to work[20:59:21] <scanty_> ok i fixed the pretendo data issue[20:59:32] <PulkoMandy> ls /// works too[20:59:32] <scanty_> i copy to ~/config/packages right?[20:59:35] <puckipedia> Actually, Firefox automatically uses file:///[20:59:39] <PulkoMandy> scanty_: yes[20:59:44] <puckipedia> e.g. file:///home/puckipedia/FullScreenMario/upkeep.js[20:59:45] <PulkoMandy> puckipedia: yes, and that's wrong[21:00:00] <scanty_> i'm getting that weird errormessage again[21:00:38] <PulkoMandy> puckipedia: read the RFCs: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1738[21:00:50] <PulkoMandy> it's "scheme" : "scheme specific part"[21:00:51] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[21:01:00] <humdinger> scanty_: did you move stuff under user-settings-files?[21:01:00] <PulkoMandy> and for file, the scheme specific part is just the path[21:01:30] *** jjido_ has quit IRC[21:01:30] <PulkoMandy> unless you're on windows, where it can start with a drive letter, or be a network path in which case it starts with //[21:01:34] <puckipedia> "A file URL takes the form:" "file://<host>/<path>"[21:01:43] <puckipedia> So, if host is empty, it is file:///[21:01:57] *** jjido_ has joined #haiku[21:02:42] <puckipedia> (3.10)[21:03:22] <PulkoMandy> mh[21:03:24] <puckipedia> "As a special case, <host> can be the string "localhost" or the empty string; this is interpreted as `the machine from which the URL is being interpreted'."[21:03:29] <PulkoMandy> where does my file:path come from then :/[21:03:31] <puckipedia> So, file:/// is the only correct[21:03:34] <puckipedia> That's correct to[21:03:34] <puckipedia> o[21:03:49] <puckipedia> Although, it's a "scheme specific path"[21:04:16] <scanty_> any ideas anyone?[21:04:31] <puckipedia> use haikuporter[21:05:06] <puckipedia> Seriously, how difficult is automating the building of your app?[21:05:06] <humdinger> scanty_: try without specifying global-writable-files[21:06:00] <humdinger> because it says "any other writable directory." at the wiki. And "data" isn't actually writable...[21:06:43] <puckipedia> Yep, logic checks out[21:07:24] <PulkoMandy> puckipedia: mh... I think I got file:path from the updated URI spec[21:07:24] <PulkoMandy> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3986.txt[21:07:33] <PulkoMandy> but reading that again, I'm not sure if it's right[21:07:35] <scanty_> OK it works![21:07:41] <scanty_> I don't know how I fixed it[21:07:46] <humdinger> but if you have to write to the file in "data/pretendo_data"... thing's can't work, can they...?[21:08:13] <humdinger> good one, scanty_. :)[21:08:40] <scanty_> damn[21:08:46] <scanty_> pretendo_data is read only[21:08:58] <humdinger> see...[21:09:48] <humdinger> the settings folder is at least writable. but it's not really correct for data files.... is it?[21:10:11] <puckipedia> Well, hmm[21:10:23] <puckipedia> ah[21:10:26] <puckipedia> only read only data[21:10:31] <puckipedia> There's a non-packaged/data folder[21:10:54] <humdinger> this sucks a bit.[21:10:54] <Not-001> [haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/commits/[21:10:57] <Not-001> [haikuports] Adrien Destugues 8a1f8ed - HaikuWebkit: version 1.3.0.[21:11:00] <humdinger> using that for packaged apps...[21:11:15] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: finally. :P[21:11:17] <puckipedia> settings are every 'settable' data I think[21:11:24] <scanty_> grr[21:11:31] <humdinger> down, boy![21:11:34] <puckipedia> There's Screen_data[21:12:11] <humdinger> puckipedia: isn't that a setting?[21:12:23] <puckipedia> Also, there's the shelves (for the replicants)[21:12:31] <puckipedia> Which is mostly data from the replicants[21:12:46] <puckipedia> So, if it isn't read only, throw it in settings (in a folder), imo[21:12:56] <scanty_> the xml file wasn't copied either.[21:13:00] <scanty_> so something fishy going on[21:13:25] <humdinger> scanty_: but it appears in Expander?[21:14:16] <scanty_> yep global writable file: settings/pretendo/nescarts.xml[21:14:18] <humdinger> puckipedia: how does one get a file into the settings folder? use the "template" parameter of the user-settings-files?[21:14:25] <puckipedia> hmm, yep iirc[21:14:31] <puckipedia> actually[21:14:33] <puckipedia> let me check[21:14:45] <humdinger> scanty_: as I said: move those to user-settings-files.[21:15:04] <humdinger> and probably use the "template" parameter, if your app doesn't create that file[21:15:19] <puckipedia> Hmm, " if template_path is specified, it is a path to a file included in the package that can serve as a template for the settings file."[21:15:32] <puckipedia> "It doesn't imply any automatic action on package activation, though."[21:16:16] <humdinger> so maybe it's not how it works...[21:16:27] <PulkoMandy> mh... jam upload-package says upload while take about 6 hours... :([21:16:28] <humdinger> maybe it needs a "post-install" script.[21:16:45] <puckipedia> global-writable-files just tell how to merge it?[21:16:48] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: arg![21:17:13] *** tqh has joined #haiku[21:17:18] <scanty_> there is no "pretendo" folder in ~/config/settings[21:17:25] <puckipedia> correct[21:17:26] <scanty_> package installs fine, binary runs fine[21:17:28] <humdinger> puckipedia: I dunno. I just though it tracks where the app will try to write stuff...[21:17:31] <puckipedia> humdinger, too[21:17:42] <puckipedia> user-settings-files' template is just a template[21:17:52] <scanty_> brb[21:17:52] <puckipedia> Let the app make it if it doesn't exist, imo[21:18:20] <scanty_> ok[21:20:12] <humdinger> I got to go... good luck scanty_![21:20:22] *** humdinger has quit IRC[21:24:11] *** Wizard has joined #haiku[21:27:48] *** egrath has joined #haiku[21:29:06] *** happy-dude has quit IRC[21:32:29] *** happy-dude has joined #haiku[21:33:13] *** jjido_ has quit IRC[21:40:12] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[21:50:33] <bbjimmy> global-writable-files woriks as well as file:// does ... that is it doesn't work at all.[21:50:47] <bbjimmy> *works[21:51:49] <bbjimmy> If ouy need to place a file in a user writable directory you must have the application do it, not the .hpkg.[21:52:01] <bbjimmy> *you[21:52:31] *** netstar has quit IRC[21:54:23] *** netstar has joined #haiku[21:56:22] <Wizard> Ping[21:56:37] <IIsi50MHz> pong[21:56:39] <Wizard> How often bot syncs translations?[21:57:22] <Wizard> Recently brave #haiku-pl member translated half of Haiku, we would like to review it as soon as possible ;D[21:58:08] <Wizard> If it is possible to trigger the bot, than pretty pretty please :)[21:59:24] <KapiX> Wizard, not yet, there is a lot to review[21:59:34] <KapiX> left[21:59:40] <Wizard> right[21:59:46] <IIsi50MHz> upper[22:00:19] <Wizard> Well, it would still be better to do it on living system, when you can easily catch things which just don't play well.[22:00:39] <luroh> Wizard: syncing happens once a week, iirc[22:01:07] <Wizard> Crap, I'll be in Germoney next week, with limited web access.[22:01:18] <IIsi50MHz> Germoney? lol[22:01:28] <IIsi50MHz> Getting paid well there, I guess?[22:02:49] <Wizard> Well.. depends on standards. Polish labour law enforces additional wage for employees going abroad.[22:02:58] <luroh> i'll try my best to make sure haiku doesn't release until you're back ;)[22:03:15] <Wizard> For Germany it is about 50 euro per day or something like that.[22:03:57] <Wizard> 49[22:04:13] <Wizard> luroh: Thanks ^^[22:04:53] <luroh> Wizard: checking the history, it seems syncing is actually done on saturdays... so tomorrow then (hopefully)[22:05:16] <Wizard> kewl[22:08:14] *** happy-dude has quit IRC[22:13:39] *** hackkitten has quit IRC[22:15:15] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[22:20:53] *** tqh2 has joined #haiku[22:25:29] *** egrath has quit IRC[22:25:31] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:25:32] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[22:25:39] *** tqh2 is now known as tqh[22:26:32] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[22:26:33] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[22:27:16] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[22:36:35] *** axeld has quit IRC[22:39:45] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[22:49:17] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[22:53:01] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[22:57:44] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[22:58:33] *** wpceee is now known as wpsea[22:59:52] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[23:02:36] *** jjido_ has joined #haiku[23:10:30] *** auronandace has quit IRC[23:12:13] <Premislaus> hmm, I think... We need a new icon for HaikuPorter - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porter_%28beer%29 ;-)[23:13:13] <Premislaus> Bottle of beer with Haiku logo on etiquette[23:13:18] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[23:13:36] <Skipp_OSX> Premislaus, hmmmm, okay[23:13:53] <Premislaus> :-)[23:13:58] <KapiX> +1[23:18:51] *** jjido_ has quit IRC[23:23:00] *** scanty_ has quit IRC[23:25:50] *** nighty-_ has quit IRC[23:27:49] <tqh> I don't know, I like to keep my operating system and alcohol separated. :)[23:34:35] <Premislaus> This will mean that we have good sense of humor ;-)[23:34:56] <AlienSoldier> what is the current icon?[23:35:03] <KapiX> there is no icon[23:35:15] <AlienSoldier> and what about the spoon?[23:35:31] <KapiX> also, rule about separating OS and alcohol is good one, as far as I can tell ;)[23:35:33] <Skipp_OSX> how does a spoon make sense?[23:35:45] <AlienSoldier> Skipp_OSX there is no spoon :P[23:35:55] <Skipp_OSX> KapiX: <insert joke about Windows 8 here>[23:36:26] <KapiX> :D[23:36:27] <Premislaus> In total, there no must be literally a bottle of beer, but a bottle with a label, that everyone will guess;-).[23:36:48] <tqh> I dunno, its a slippery slope that way.[23:37:00] <Skipp_OSX> The beer bottle icon idea seems pretty good to me[23:37:11] <Skipp_OSX> all jokes aside[23:38:46] <AlienSoldier> i got the porter joke, i drink labatt porter from time to time[23:39:13] <jua_> spoon isn't bad either: a wooden spoon, because it cooks things from recipes ;)[23:42:06] <Skipp_OSX> spoon is a stretch[23:42:25] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:43:03] *** diver_ has quit IRC[23:43:15] <Wizard> +1 for bottle[23:47:24] *** fhein has quit IRC[23:48:11] *** jua_ has quit IRC[23:51:25] <Skipp_OSX> now to commission an artist[23:51:54] * Wizard hides.[23:54:00] <AlienSoldier> This could spawn a Macademian nuts developer gift for good port (reference to Dave Haynie)[23:54:57] <AlienSoldier> wtf, just when i am in the middle of watching "the eiger sanction": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6ovgSwNMWo[23:56:22] <AlienSoldier> they give the bear a good score, so i am not alone to like it :)[23:56:28] <AlienSoldier> *beer[23:56:48] <Skipp_OSX> I like the Lager...[23:56:59] <Skipp_OSX> but that is really off-topic[23:59:05] *** Dicklas has quit IRC[23:59:41] *** Dicklas has joined #haiku