April 9, 2014 
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April 9, 2014 [00:03:54] *** orealis has joined #haiku[00:05:23] *** DaaT has quit IRC[00:12:51] *** Wabouz has quit IRC[00:15:57] *** axeld has quit IRC[00:17:18] *** Hub_ has joined #haiku[00:19:16] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[00:19:58] *** luroh has quit IRC[00:33:13] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[00:38:19] *** KapiX has quit IRC[00:50:58] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:05:24] *** jua_ has quit IRC[01:07:05] *** Cenbe has quit IRC[01:09:07] *** Cenbe has joined #haiku[01:21:21] *** epigraph has quit IRC[01:29:49] *** ksx4system has quit IRC[01:30:18] *** ksx4system has joined #haiku[01:30:47] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[01:38:28] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[01:52:04] *** NumberNoid is now known as zz_NumberNoid[01:55:39] *** oco2 has quit IRC[02:04:18] *** DrCode has quit IRC[02:06:57] *** DrCode has joined #haiku[02:43:45] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[02:52:56] *** Nozy has quit IRC[03:13:10] *** Barrett has quit IRC[03:26:42] *** vgezer has quit IRC[03:27:34] <irker-296> haiku.master: pdziepak * hrev47105 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=9181092+%5Ee439b00[03:27:34] <irker-296> 1bba129: scheduler: Let ThreadData::ShouldRebalance() choose the actual core[03:27:35] <irker-296> 9181092: scheduler: Fix and simplify thread migration logic in low latency mode[03:32:55] *** scottj has left #haiku[03:56:33] *** dexter_ has joined #haiku[04:00:48] *** dexter_ has quit IRC[04:05:43] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[04:12:40] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[04:12:44] <Premislaus> hello[04:18:13] *** pdziepak has quit IRC[04:18:19] <jessicah> hihi[04:24:56] *** rta has quit IRC[04:28:18] *** SMCo has joined #haiku[04:28:18] *** SMCo is now known as SMCollins[04:39:44] *** _marc` has quit IRC[04:49:32] *** SMCollins has quit IRC[04:51:23] *** SMCollins has joined #haiku[04:53:24] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[04:55:21] *** jstressman has quit IRC[05:00:15] *** rta has joined #haiku[05:05:54] *** _marc` has quit IRC[05:13:48] <Duggan> congrats jessicah hope you get it :)[05:14:42] *** rta has quit IRC[05:15:08] <BronzeBeard> (get what)[05:15:41] <BronzeBeard> (hopefully you're talking about pizza, and she shares! *starve face*)[05:15:43] *** Alam_Squeeze has quit IRC[05:17:12] <jessicah> yeah i dunno either :p[05:18:06] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[05:18:36] <Duggan> oh nevermind, you already got it CONGRATS! :)[05:18:54] <jessicah> what did i get?[05:18:56] * BronzeBeard is confused[05:20:40] <Duggan> I don't check my email but once about every quarter... so it's nice to know I'm only a day late :P[05:22:06] <jessicah> oh you mean getting commit access?[05:22:15] <Duggan> yep :)[05:22:22] <jessicah> haha, thanks :)[05:22:33] <Duggan> btw, done with EFI yet? you should be now that you're a dev... we hold you guys to high standards you know ;)[05:23:57] <BronzeBeard> commit access is not as good as pizza T,T[05:24:19] <jessicah> haha, no :p[05:27:29] <jessicah> now i also want pizza...[05:27:50] <SMCollins> gnigh everyone[05:27:55] *** SMCollins has quit IRC[05:29:19] <BronzeBeard> pizza time![05:29:35] *** rta has joined #haiku[05:29:40] <BronzeBeard> only problem, i live 40miles (~70km) from a pizza joint! :'([05:30:25] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[05:30:51] *** HaikuUser is now known as Duggan_Haiku[05:31:44] <Duggan_Haiku> just got the source and fired off my first build on the new install...[05:32:36] <Duggan_Haiku> glad to see the hybrid building process has been simplified[05:38:35] <BronzeBeard> Haiku pizza time,[05:38:40] <BronzeBeard> yummy cheese, meat, sauce and dough[05:38:49] <BronzeBeard> it is good for code![05:39:21] <BronzeBeard> i should get back to work, bye! :)[05:40:10] <Duggan_Haiku> www.haiku-os.org/guides/building/get-source-git (bottom of page) yes it is... yes it is...[05:41:24] <BronzeBeard> lol :)[05:50:46] *** briankrent has joined #haiku[05:54:50] *** Duggan_Haiku has quit IRC[06:00:35] *** Alam_Squeeze has joined #haiku[06:02:55] *** Duggan_Haiku has joined #haiku[06:21:42] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[06:24:24] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[06:26:03] *** jstressman has joined #haiku[06:26:07] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[06:26:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[06:29:36] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[06:34:00] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[06:34:24] *** [JJ]Albert has joined #haiku[06:37:14] *** DonLiu has joined #haiku[06:37:30] <Duggan_Haiku> /src/kits/mail/ServerConnection.cpp:15:26: fatal error: openssl/ssl.h: No such file or directory[06:37:32] <Duggan_Haiku> what am I missing?[06:37:42] <Duggan_Haiku> (besides openssl/ssl.h)[06:40:14] <Duggan_Haiku> fresh install of r47098 (Apr 6), fresh clone[06:41:05] *** DonLiu has quit IRC[06:42:55] *** Hub_ has quit IRC[06:43:19] *** Hub_ has joined #haiku[06:43:20] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[06:43:58] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[06:43:58] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[06:50:10] <[JJ]Albert> Haiku all doing? (pun)[06:50:24] <Duggan_Haiku> greetings[06:50:34] <Duggan_Haiku> failing at building... you?[06:53:33] <BronzeBeard> if i had to guess Duggan_Haiku, judging by the error, you lack openssl header files[06:53:34] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[06:53:49] <BronzeBeard> or you're not including the correct search paths[06:54:13] <BronzeBeard> you would need to be in the parent directory where openssl is located[06:55:30] <Duggan_Haiku> just following the new hybrid build instructions...[06:55:40] <[JJ]Albert> Duggan_Haiku: Oh, just visiting.[06:55:46] <[JJ]Albert> Watching Haiku.[06:55:52] <Duggan_Haiku> hehe[06:55:58] <BronzeBeard> granted, its' just an observation from all my years of cpp, never built haiku :P[06:56:16] <Duggan_Haiku> BronzeBeard I have many times, just not in the last 2 years :P[06:56:25] <BronzeBeard> i cpp all the time >.>[06:56:35] <Duggan_Haiku> I cpp for money ;)[06:56:43] <BronzeBeard> you cpp for money![06:56:53] <BronzeBeard> want to see mine?[06:57:10] <[JJ]Albert> BronzeBeard: That's suspsect.[06:57:15] <[JJ]Albert> *suspect[06:57:35] <Duggan_Haiku> eh... not at the moment...[06:57:37] <BronzeBeard> ^,~[06:57:49] <BronzeBeard> I don't know if duggan caught the joke or not[06:58:31] <Duggan_Haiku> I like to think I did, but in all honestly, probably not...[06:58:53] <BronzeBeard> anyhoo, if you're still on that same bug, that would be my guess :P[06:59:05] <BronzeBeard> something is not searching the proper directory for openssl headers[06:59:22] <BronzeBeard> example they might be looking in "includes/openssl" instead of looking in "includes"[07:00:13] <Duggan_Haiku> that would be an issue with the config or build... I'd like to think it's set up to work "out of the box"... without any manual configuration (besides running configure)[07:01:35] <BronzeBeard> first question is, is there a ssl.h in a folder named openssl? :P[07:03:01] <Duggan_Haiku> hahaha.... no.[07:03:16] <BronzeBeard> ^,~[07:03:22] <BronzeBeard> i think you found your issue then[07:03:28] <Duggan_Haiku> src/bin/network/wget/src[07:04:06] <Duggan_Haiku> ...... then whoever checked it in broke the build :P sounds good to me ;)[07:04:39] <BronzeBeard> it's because someone didn't order us pizza[07:04:44] * BronzeBeard looks at jessicah >:|[07:05:25] <Duggan_Haiku> or that...[07:07:42] <[JJ]Albert> So how's Haiku things?[07:08:47] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[07:09:04] <Duggan_Haiku> don't know yet... just getting back into it from an approximately 2 year vacation[07:09:08] <jessicah> Duggan_Haiku: building haiku?[07:09:13] <jessicah> what host?[07:09:16] <Duggan_Haiku> trying to[07:09:18] <Duggan_Haiku> Haiku :P[07:09:40] <jessicah> hmm, i not built on haiku for a lil while[07:09:45] <Duggan_Haiku> on my old laptop since you haven't finished EFI for me to run it on my new laptop yet[07:09:48] <jessicah> have you installed the openssl_devel packages?[07:09:56] <jessicah> i think there's one for both x86_gcc2 and x86[07:10:04] <Duggan_Haiku> yeah not in the package manager...[07:10:18] <jessicah> did you check the box for developer packages[07:10:22] <jessicah> they're hidden by default[07:10:32] <Duggan_Haiku> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr[07:10:35] <Duggan_Haiku> .........[07:10:37] <Duggan_Haiku> why?....[07:10:44] <Duggan_Haiku> why would they do such a thing?...[07:10:47] <Duggan_Haiku> that's just silly![07:10:58] <BronzeBeard> because not everyone should be using dev packages :P[07:10:59] <jessicah> regular users don't need[07:11:31] <Duggan_Haiku> then make them a package you can download... if they don't need them, they don't need them :([07:12:09] <Duggan_Haiku> ok, to the root of the problem... how do I "unhide" them?[07:12:09] <BronzeBeard> normal users don't think like that ;)[07:12:23] <BronzeBeard> they click the first thing they see with the name they're looking for ;)[07:12:40] <Duggan_Haiku> make a seperate dev depot :P[07:13:13] <Duggan_Haiku> separate?... oh who cares...[07:13:30] <Duggan_Haiku> make a different dev depot :P[07:13:30] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[07:13:57] <Duggan_Haiku> regardless, that doesn't help me... to the crux... unhiding...[07:13:59] <jessicah> are you using HaikuDepot?[07:14:01] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[07:14:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[07:14:07] <Duggan_Haiku> thats where I was looking[07:14:08] <jessicah> i don't know, but it's in there somewhere[07:14:13] <jessicah> i don't use HaikuDepot[07:14:16] <jessicah> try the menu[07:14:16] <Duggan_Haiku> :/[07:14:29] <jessicah> else terminal, pkgman search openssl[07:14:33] <Duggan_Haiku> baaaah[07:14:38] <jessicah> pkgman install the openssl devel packages you need[07:14:45] <jessicah> it's there in HaikuDepot, i just odn't use it[07:15:03] <IIsi50MHz> Are you saying it's a HaikuDespot?[07:15:19] <Duggan_Haiku> says active...[07:15:27] <Duggan_Haiku> well, says haiku_devel is active...[07:15:34] <jessicah> the _devel package for openssl?[07:15:38] <Duggan_Haiku> lol IIsi50MHz[07:17:28] <Duggan_Haiku> finally found a couple... installed them... trying again...[07:17:53] <Duggan_Haiku> apparently didn't work[07:18:07] <jessicah> then i dunno what you're doing wrong; builds on haiku used to work :p[07:18:22] <jessicah> i should know, i fixed up a bug preventing it[07:18:24] <Duggan_Haiku> I bet you checked something in :P[07:18:44] <jessicah> nothing related to ssl ;)[07:19:04] <BronzeBeard> probably nsa, since they found the heartbleed bug[07:19:05] <Duggan_Haiku> you fixed up a bug preventing haiku from not building?[07:19:13] <BronzeBeard> nsa came in and broke openssl on haiku ;)[07:19:38] <jessicah> yeah, haiku wouldn't build on haiku[07:19:42] <jessicah> i fixed a bug[07:19:47] <jessicah> made it work again[07:19:55] <Duggan_Haiku> yes you fixed a bug so now haiku doesn't build on haiku anymore :P[07:20:03] <jessicah> :p[07:20:15] <Duggan_Haiku> ;)[07:21:02] <Duggan_Haiku> I don't run it in a vm, I don't cross compile... when I use Haiku, I USE Haiku[07:21:03] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[07:21:14] <Duggan_Haiku> and only log into windows in emergencies[07:21:18] <Duggan_Haiku> hey OmniMancer[07:21:39] <jessicah> i compiled haiku in a haiku vm :)[07:21:51] <jessicah> i don't have an available machine to run haiku on natively :([07:22:07] <BronzeBeard> my haiku runs on a p3, with 800mhz ;)[07:22:29] <Duggan_Haiku> I have 3 partitions on this machine for Haiku[07:22:43] <Duggan_Haiku> only 2 are bootable at present[07:22:51] *** Hub_ has quit IRC[07:24:09] <Duggan_Haiku> I'm planning at least as many on my new laptop... whenever jessicah get's EFI finished anyway...[07:26:04] <Duggan_Haiku> or whatever I'm saying sheesh[07:26:06] <Duggan_Haiku> I'm losing my mind[07:26:43] <Duggan_Haiku> yeah EFI... scared myself for a second...[07:29:50] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[07:30:20] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[07:31:28] *** _paul0 has joined #haiku[07:31:30] *** paul0 has quit IRC[07:32:03] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[07:32:31] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[07:32:49] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[07:33:07] <jessicah> working on it :)[07:33:10] <Duggan_Haiku> wb PulkoMandy[07:33:20] <PulkoMandy> hello world![07:33:32] <Duggan_Haiku> no you're not :P you're waiting on the kiddies at GSoC to do it for you :P[07:33:44] <jessicah> doing right now[07:33:51] <Duggan_Haiku> right. :P[07:34:08] <Duggan_Haiku> if I can get where I can build I might help :P[07:34:22] <Duggan_Haiku> ... if I can learn about it fast enough to be any help :/[07:34:31] <Duggan_Haiku> same error[07:34:33] <jessicah> oooh, progress... kinda[07:34:46] <Duggan_Haiku> :/[07:35:06] <jessicah> it found all the partitions[07:35:06] *** freedomrun has joined #haiku[07:35:11] <Duggan_Haiku> PulkoMandy what can you tell me about setting up a build on a fresh install?[07:35:17] <jessicah> but then code gets stuck somewhere...[07:35:54] <Duggan_Haiku> fails in mail says it's missing openssl/ssl.h but I installed the dev packages for it[07:36:47] <PulkoMandy> Duggan_Haiku: mh... I think you need to enable the SSL build feature in build config, let me check[07:37:30] <PulkoMandy> AddHaikuImagePackages openssl ;[07:37:42] <Duggan_Haiku> any others I need while I'm at it?[07:37:50] <PulkoMandy> well[07:38:14] <Duggan_Haiku> command not found :/[07:38:22] <PulkoMandy> http://pulkomandy.tk/drop/UserBuildConfig[07:38:25] <PulkoMandy> that's mine[07:38:46] <Duggan_Haiku> oooooh you mean... derp[07:41:25] *** _paul0 has quit IRC[07:42:05] <jessicah> derp derp derp :)[07:42:21] <jessicah> you really are out of practice![07:43:00] <Duggan_Haiku> 2 years :P[07:43:18] <Duggan_Haiku> you can forget an awful lot in that amount of time...[07:44:09] <Duggan_Haiku> bad news is, I rather like the "official" builds and IIRC having a UserBuildConfig kinda ruins that I think... or maybe just not having the right one...[07:44:26] <Duggan_Haiku> well... "official" builds plus my personal customizations ;)[07:45:04] <Duggan_Haiku> I need to see if I can remember my login for PulkoMandy's site...[07:45:29] <Duggan_Haiku> at least he hasn't had to reset it for me in 2 years versus the 2 months he always had to previously :P[07:45:42] <Duggan_Haiku> well didn't *have* to...[07:45:59] <PulkoMandy> I can send it to you[07:47:11] <Duggan_Haiku> isn't there a link for it in one of the guides or something?[07:47:16] <Duggan_Haiku> if not, then sure :)[07:47:31] <Duggan_Haiku> epic, thanks :)[07:47:45] <PulkoMandy> no, password are managed manually by me[07:47:52] <PulkoMandy> no way to change or generate them[07:47:56] <Duggan_Haiku> I thought you meant the UserBuildConfig :P[07:48:01] <Duggan_Haiku> there is ;)[07:48:07] <Duggan_Haiku> I forgot the plugin name though[07:48:21] <Duggan_Haiku> or: hack[07:48:27] <Duggan_Haiku> to use the proper nomenclature :P[07:49:27] <Duggan_Haiku> bah no bookmarks on a fresh install... link?[07:49:58] <Duggan_Haiku> you should buy like.... pulkomandy.com or something[07:49:59] <Duggan_Haiku> lol[07:50:27] <PulkoMandy> that's one char longer than what I have now :)[07:50:35] <PulkoMandy> and .tk is free[07:50:37] <Duggan_Haiku> but far easier to remember :P[07:50:55] * jessicah has jessicah.org :)[07:51:04] <jessicah> and a handful of others[07:51:08] <jessicah> that all redirect there[07:51:14] <PulkoMandy> I was going to say I'm not a company to get a .com, but actually I am now[07:51:20] <Duggan_Haiku> I don't have any hosting for mine :'([07:51:35] <Duggan_Haiku> you don't need to be... I have a .com and .net[07:51:37] *** _marc` has quit IRC[07:51:46] <Duggan_Haiku> you just gotta have money :P[07:52:37] <PulkoMandy> yes, and I'm also not on tokelau island to use a .tk.[07:53:17] <Duggan_Haiku> and did you read your messages on your site lately?[07:53:29] <Duggan_Haiku> or: since november? :P[07:55:37] <Duggan_Haiku> anyway, I'm late... and I have that "work" think I have to show up to early every day[07:55:56] <Duggan_Haiku> or else they get mad and don't give me money anymore :P[07:56:14] <Duggan_Haiku> thing*[07:56:33] <Duggan_Haiku> thanks PulkoMandy :) bye jessicah[07:56:34] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[07:56:39] <Duggan_Haiku> don't forget to work on EFI ;)[07:56:56] <Duggan_Haiku> l8r all[07:57:00] <jessicah> buhbyes[07:57:13] *** Duggan_Haiku has quit IRC[07:57:24] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[07:57:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[07:57:55] *** jjido has joined #haiku[07:58:39] *** soakbot has quit IRC[08:00:00] *** soakbot has joined #haiku[08:05:47] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[08:09:22] <jessicah> ohh! i need to actually install haiku to a partition, hahaha[08:10:01] <[JJ]Albert> So Haiku development is going smooth I take it?[08:11:28] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[08:12:35] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[08:12:49] <jessicah> hopefully[08:15:27] <[JJ]Albert> BitPuffin: Hiya, dude. :D[08:15:30] <jessicah> it's enumerating partitions... just need to add one that's got bfs on it :)[08:16:47] <BitPuffin> heya [JJ]Albert![08:16:49] <BitPuffin> What is this[08:16:55] <BitPuffin> Haiku reunion 2014[08:17:10] <[JJ]Albert> BitPuffin: I haven't a clue, I just had an urge to check up on Haiku.[08:17:32] <BitPuffin> [JJ]Albert: well Duggan came back like a day ago as well lol[08:17:41] <[JJ]Albert> lol[08:17:42] <[JJ]Albert> kewl[08:17:52] * [JJ]Albert can't remember who Duggan is, though[08:18:03] <[JJ]Albert> Besides knowing he was on here a bit ago.[08:21:50] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[08:25:46] *** jjido has quit IRC[08:27:58] *** jjido has joined #haiku[08:37:38] *** alpha123 has quit IRC[08:38:58] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[08:39:26] *** alpha123 has joined #haiku[08:46:09] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[08:54:17] *** stippi has joined #haiku[08:54:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[08:56:37] *** heoyea has joined #haiku[08:58:05] <heoyea> is there a list of general tutorials for haiku?[08:58:20] <jessicah> i think so[08:58:29] <jessicah> err, wait, general tutorials?[08:58:34] <jessicah> you mean like how to use haiku?[08:58:51] <jessicah> pretty sure those exist also... there's a welcome guide somewhere[08:59:07] <PulkoMandy> user guide is linked on the desktop and is WebPositive start page[08:59:15] <PulkoMandy> http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/plain/docs/welcome/welcome_en.html[08:59:21] <jessicah> http://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/contents.html[08:59:47] <PulkoMandy> (we need to update this for PM... still references haikuware as the main application source)[09:00:06] <heoyea> is there a package manager for this yet?[09:00:15] <jessicah> yes[09:00:19] <jessicah> it's called HaikuDepot[09:00:25] <jessicah> in the latest nightlies[09:00:30] <heoyea> is that in the 4.1 alpha?[09:00:33] <jessicah> no[09:00:37] <heoyea> o[09:00:38] <jessicah> will be in alpha5[09:00:46] <heoyea> when is that coming out?[09:00:48] <jessicah> alpha4 is quite old now[09:00:54] <jessicah> your guess is as good as mine ;)[09:01:12] <jessicah> i would hope relatively soon... but maybe not until after GSoC[09:01:44] <jessicah> if we get some good student contributors, they might help round out a few more features before alpha5 comes[09:02:09] <PulkoMandy> GSoC shouldn't lock it - our GSoC ideas are picked to not be release blockers[09:02:38] <gordonjcp> morning[09:02:42] <PulkoMandy> https://dev.haiku-os.org/query?status=assigned&status=in-progress&status=reopened&status=new&group=status&milestone=R1%2Falpha5[09:02:52] <PulkoMandy> these are the things currently blocking the next release[09:02:59] <heoyea> are the nightly stable enough to install on VM?[09:03:31] <gordonjcp> heoyea: they're stable enough to run as a day-to-day desktop on real hardware[09:03:37] <gordonjcp> for suitable values of "stable"[09:04:09] <jessicah> sure, vm is fine with nightlies[09:04:24] <heoyea> thanks ill go grab it now[09:05:11] <heoyea> another question; which software does haiku have to enable remote desktop?[09:06:20] <gordonjcp> as a target, or client?[09:06:56] <heoyea> as a server[09:07:26] <heoyea> yea target[09:14:52] <jessicah> i've found a vncserver on haikuware before[09:15:05] <jessicah> it kinda worked, but eventually crashes[09:15:49] <jessicah> though stuff on haikuware might not install correctly on a current nightly due to directory layout/permission changes[09:16:14] <heoyea> so the package manager doesnt pull from haikuware?[09:16:22] <jessicah> no[09:16:28] <jessicah> pulls from haikuports[09:16:56] <jessicah> haikuware could package stuff and provide their own repo if they choose[09:17:10] <jessicah> but that would involve a lot of work on their part[09:20:57] *** jjido has quit IRC[09:30:47] <PulkoMandy> not really[09:30:55] <PulkoMandy> people started submitting hpkg files to haikuware[09:31:20] <PulkoMandy> from there it's just a matter of booting haiku and using the package_repo tool to create a repo, then put the file on an http server[09:31:47] <PulkoMandy> but there isn't really a need for that, you can download the packages and put them in ~/config/package[09:32:16] <jessicah> sure, but it'd be nice[09:32:39] <jessicah> at least people are submitting .hpkgs to haikuware :)[09:33:13] <jessicah> but like if haikuware had a repo, you could maybe have it as a 3rd-party source out of the box[09:33:15] <PulkoMandy> that doesn't improve the software and packaging quality, unfortunately :/[09:33:29] <PulkoMandy> we'll see about that, when they make package that works[09:33:35] <jessicah> :p[09:33:54] <jessicah> well we probably need a few better tools for packaging[09:35:22] <PulkoMandy> we can't really make this easier. People complain writing haikuporter recipe is complex, but you need all of the stuff in there to get your package right[09:35:26] <PulkoMandy> with dependencies and all[09:36:10] *** Yana_24 has joined #haiku[09:36:16] <gordonjcp> PulkoMandy: Packaging is hard, let's go shopping![09:36:23] *** DrCode has quit IRC[09:36:25] <Yana_24> Hi all.[09:36:35] <jessicah> hi Yana_24[09:36:42] <gordonjcp> Yana_24: morning[09:36:51] <Yana_24> Morning :)[09:37:24] <Yana_24> May I ask some questions?[09:37:43] <PulkoMandy> yes, we're here for that[09:37:48] <PulkoMandy> (and you already asked one :))[09:37:55] <Yana_24> haha[09:37:58] <Yana_24> okay2[09:38:12] <Yana_24> I'm Liyana. And I am a bachelor student in computer engineering[09:38:18] <Yana_24> Im here to ask about Haiku OS[09:38:30] <PulkoMandy> it's just Haiku, not Haiku OS[09:38:36] <Yana_24> Opss.. sorry[09:38:50] <PulkoMandy> also, welcome :)[09:39:00] *** DrCode has joined #haiku[09:39:28] <PulkoMandy> it's our fault, the website is haiku-os.org, but we still haven't managed to buy haiku.org[09:39:37] <Yana_24> I need to do a research..about all the differences between haiku and windows[09:40:55] *** DrCode has quit IRC[09:41:03] <Yana_24> I've tried to install Haiku on my notebook, but failed[09:41:29] <heoyea> use VM software[09:41:33] *** DrCode has joined #haiku[09:41:44] <Yana_24> I've tried too..[09:41:56] <heoyea> works fine[09:42:08] <Yana_24> I already tried to download some songs, but i didnt know how to play it in haiku[09:42:10] <PulkoMandy> so, what version of haiku did you try ? and how did it fail exactly?[09:42:59] <Yana_24> I meant..the sound cannot be heard[09:43:26] <PulkoMandy> ok, this may be a problem with our sound card drivers[09:43:44] *** epigraph has joined #haiku[09:44:01] <Yana_24> Oh I see..[09:44:09] <PulkoMandy> you can try to change settings in the media preferences (menu > preferences > media), and try plugging headphones or speaker (sometimes the internal ones don't work, but external does)[09:45:13] <Yana_24> Okay, I'll try[09:45:23] <Yana_24> About documents..[09:45:54] <Yana_24> In windows, we can read it thru microsoft office right?[09:45:57] <Yana_24> what about haiku?[09:46:38] <PulkoMandy> we don't have an office suite currently[09:46:56] <PulkoMandy> Google Drive works, and is probably the best solution for now[09:47:15] <Yana_24> (Y)[09:48:06] *** DrCode has quit IRC[09:48:40] *** stippi1 has joined #haiku[09:48:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi1[09:49:06] <Yana_24> Okay, last time I tried to install some Zip files.[09:49:23] *** DrCode has joined #haiku[09:49:55] *** stippi has quit IRC[09:50:02] <jessicah> zip files that tell you to unzip to /boot don't work on a nightly[09:50:11] <jessicah> you could try unzip to /boot/home/config/non-packaged[09:50:24] <jessicah> can't guarantee that it'll work though[09:50:51] <Yana_24> Oh, nice info.[09:51:04] <Yana_24> Im still trying to understand Haiku[09:51:11] *** stippi has joined #haiku[09:51:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[09:51:46] <heoyea> humm my haiku froze when i try to install from the package manager[09:52:36] <heoyea> is there a hotkey to shutdown?[09:52:55] *** stippi1 has quit IRC[09:52:55] <PulkoMandy> alt + printscreen + d, then type reboot[09:53:22] <PulkoMandy> or ctrl+alt+del if there is enough parts of the system still alive[09:55:36] *** [JJ]Albert has quit IRC[09:55:39] <heoyea> Thanks drop down terminal works[09:57:10] *** Vidiot_X has joined #haiku[09:58:18] <PulkoMandy> it's the kernel debugger, not really a terminal[09:58:21] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[10:00:04] <Yana_24> What is a 'kernel' actually?[10:00:48] <heoyea> the "brain"[10:02:41] <Yana_24> kernel controls everything?[10:03:32] <PulkoMandy> yes, the kernel shares CPU time between applications, allocates memory for them, and runs hardware drivers[10:03:36] <PulkoMandy> and a few other things[10:06:57] <Yana_24> Okay. Thanks so much[10:07:07] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[10:08:13] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[10:08:52] *** Yana_24 has quit IRC[10:21:42] *** _boot has joined #haiku[10:22:55] <_boot> Hi, trying to boot Haiku from a USB flash drive on an old ThinkPad X30, getting a panic as it can't find any boot partitions? also tried a nightly build from yesterday and this does it too[10:26:23] <gordonjcp> _boot: how did you create the USB stick?[10:26:51] <_boot> yes, on a linux machine with dd if=haiku-something-anyboot.img of=/dev/sdc bs=1M[10:27:00] <gordonjcp> should be okay[10:27:07] <stippi> If you get a panic, it should mean you created the bootdisk correctly. A panic means the kernel was loaded.[10:27:10] <gordonjcp> did you do "sync" before you removed the stick?[10:27:20] <_boot> yep, twice to be safe :V[10:27:30] <gordonjcp> three times is the Unix standard[10:27:37] <_boot> :o should I try again?[10:27:42] <gordonjcp> no ;-)[10:27:46] <_boot> okay[10:28:10] <PulkoMandy> sounds like Haiku usb drivers aren't happy with your hardware[10:28:32] <PulkoMandy> have you tried different usb ports on the machine? and maybe booting from a CD instead? (is there a CD drive on the X30?)[10:28:35] <gordonjcp> shouldn't be, it's a terribly boring machine[10:28:55] <gordonjcp> very very ordinary Intel chipset[10:28:56] <_boot> nope, no CD on here lol[10:29:20] <_boot> pretty sure I've booted Haiku here before, but it was hanging at the blue background in the past (not sure when this was)[10:29:46] *** stippi1 has joined #haiku[10:29:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi1[10:29:46] <gordonjcp> can you get a boot log?[10:30:01] <_boot> i can take a photo of the panic as it's still up, this okay>[10:30:03] <_boot> ? *[10:31:21] *** stippi has quit IRC[10:31:29] <gordonjcp> oh, you could use the QR codes ;-)[10:31:49] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[10:32:00] *** stippi has joined #haiku[10:32:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[10:32:30] <PulkoMandy> or the serial port? :)[10:33:06] <PulkoMandy> or was it already removed ?[10:33:58] *** stippi1 has quit IRC[10:34:08] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[10:34:09] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[10:34:27] <gordonjcp> think it only has a serial port on the docking station[10:35:28] *** DrCode has quit IRC[10:36:23] *** DrCode has joined #haiku[10:43:09] *** DrCode has quit IRC[10:44:05] *** epigraph has quit IRC[10:54:30] <jessicah> what the hell[10:54:40] <jessicah> my airbook is completely bricked[10:57:51] <_boot> sorry for the delay, had to go into a meeting[10:58:07] <_boot> ...QR codes for a panic?[10:58:49] <PulkoMandy> yes, we have that[10:59:00] <PulkoMandy> but a standard picture works as well if it's readable :)[10:59:19] <_boot> how does one get a QR from a panic?[10:59:37] <jessicah> ;_;[10:59:51] <jessicah> well, the panic won't be very helpful, to be honest[10:59:56] <jessicah> all it says is no bootable volume[11:00:10] <PulkoMandy> _boot: https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/mmlr/2012-07-01_qr_encode_your_kdl_output[11:00:15] <jessicah> if you boot up, and hold down shift/space key to get to boot menu[11:00:25] <jessicah> in debug, it's got an option to show the boot log[11:00:34] <jessicah> that'll tell you stuff[11:00:59] <jessicah> about trying to find the initial boot volume. other thing can try is enable onscreen debug when booting[11:07:15] <_boot> lol now i get a completely different crash[11:07:36] <_boot> back in a bit[11:08:10] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[11:08:24] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[11:12:06] *** Duggan2 has joined #haiku[11:13:06] <jessicah> hey Duggan2[11:15:14] *** Duggan has quit IRC[11:15:14] *** Duggan2 is now known as Duggan[11:16:00] <jessicah> oh[11:18:07] <_boot> hmm, now I'm getting stuck at the "PMA: found no free slot to store 64 bytes, waiting" forever :( I think this has been fixed since though, as I remember reading an issue for this[11:18:29] <_boot> I'll try the most recent nightly[11:19:17] *** freedomrun has quit IRC[11:25:59] <arfonzo> ahoy, friends[11:26:26] <_boot> hi[11:27:09] <arfonzo> how goes it?[11:27:59] <_boot> trying to boot haiku :V[11:28:03] <jessicah> very pissed :p how you?[11:29:16] <arfonzo> "testing" my updated quassel package (by which I mean chatting on IRC instead of working)[11:29:50] *** makalino is now known as MauriceK[11:30:20] *** choupy has quit IRC[11:30:25] <jessicah> quassel is an irc client?[11:31:20] *** KapiX has joined #haiku[11:32:47] <arfonzo> yeah[11:32:58] <arfonzo> it's kind of like tmux or screen, for IRC[11:33:09] <arfonzo> so you have a multiplexor (the quassel core) on a server[11:33:32] <arfonzo> and you can connect to it from any device, windows, linux, haiku, android, etc., and you only have a single IRC session. I love it.[11:33:47] <jessicah> ah okie[11:33:52] <jessicah> i just do screen[11:33:59] <jessicah> multiple sessions, one irc[11:34:04] <jessicah> screen -x is pretty neat[11:37:36] <arfonzo> yeah, it is[11:37:42] <arfonzo> however incredibly annoying on a phone or tablet[11:37:47] <_boot> hmm, latest nightly fails on some net_server thread, gonna try and qr this one[11:37:48] <arfonzo> (at least for me)[11:38:20] <arfonzo> I used screen/tmux for 10 years or so, but in recent years I've become a total quassel joker.[11:38:35] <jessicah> :)[11:38:36] <arfonzo> I still use tmux of course, for terminals, just not for IRCing.[11:38:43] <jessicah> i don't use on my phone :)[11:39:11] <jessicah> good to unplug just a lil ;)[11:39:16] <arfonzo> ah, life's better that way[11:39:27] <arfonzo> I wish my phone were just a phone.[11:39:44] <jessicah> if you treat it like one, it can be :)[11:39:47] <jessicah> it's what you do with it[11:39:59] <arfonzo> I'm a bit of an android nerd[11:40:25] <arfonzo> I'm actually one of those dorks that rolls my own ROMs instead of using cyanogen or stock[11:40:30] <arfonzo> (terrible, I know)[11:42:05] <PulkoMandy> well we're writing our own desktop OS here, so...[11:44:54] <_boot> I've got a stack trace now if it's of any use to anyone? http://pastebin.com/V8JuCBUm[11:45:03] <_boot> this is on the latest nightly[11:45:19] <arfonzo> PulkoMandy: yep true, we like pain, I guess.[11:47:15] <jessicah> _boot: hmm, i'm not sure if there's a safe mode option to disable network drivers[11:47:26] <_boot> :([11:47:27] <jessicah> but you might be able to blacklist it[11:47:31] <_boot> how?[11:47:38] <jessicah> i've never done it myself[11:47:45] <PulkoMandy> there's an option to blacklist files in the boot menu[11:47:51] <jessicah> but in the boot menu, there's na option in there for blacklisting[11:47:54] <PulkoMandy> and if that works, there's a kernel settings file to make it permanent[11:48:28] <jessicah> the path is to the driver in your backtrace: /boot/system/add-ons/kernel/drivers/dev/net/wavelanwifi[11:49:10] <jessicah> _boot: also, you should create an account at dev.haiku-os.org, and create a ticket[11:49:23] <jessicah> and attach a copy of that stack trace to it[11:49:34] <_boot> grrdrrmit now bootloader is playing about[11:51:03] <_boot> in the boot menu's blacklist thing under boot I can't see a system[11:52:14] <_boot> oh my, laptop fan is getting agitated at the boot menu lol[11:56:03] <_boot> I'll get on dev. later :)[12:01:13] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[12:01:38] <DHowett> hm - I recently picked up a new machine[12:01:43] <DHowett> you all know what that means[12:01:52] <DHowett> the bi-annual "Will It Haiku" test![12:01:52] <DHowett> :P[12:05:36] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[12:09:05] <arfonzo> oh dear[12:09:12] <arfonzo> I kind of like those tests.[12:09:30] <arfonzo> One day I'll have the balls to run that test on the DL380[12:10:03] <arfonzo> a physical Haiku box with 72GB of RAM... total overkill.[12:12:19] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[12:13:15] *** jstressman has left #haiku[12:13:38] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[12:15:39] <gordonjcp> arfonzo: o_O[12:15:44] <gordonjcp> your DL380 is newer than mine...[12:16:06] <arfonzo> I dunno, it's a g6[12:16:10] <arfonzo> and yours?[12:16:15] <gordonjcp> G3[12:16:19] <arfonzo> ah, so yeah, it is.[12:16:30] <arfonzo> I bought it "cheap" from a data destruction company, they were going to literally, shred it.[12:16:48] *** epigraph has joined #haiku[12:24:48] <gordonjcp> arfonzo: it amazes me that people do that[12:25:22] *** jstressman has joined #haiku[12:26:43] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[12:27:31] <arfonzo> Some companies would rather certify that their old machines are 100% destroyed for safety, I kind of understand it[12:27:37] <arfonzo> some people rescue cats, I rescue DL380s. :|[12:28:41] <_boot> lol[12:30:35] <gordonjcp> :-)[12:30:38] <mmu_man> arfonzo: note Putin has been downgraded from a G8 :D[12:30:46] <gordonjcp> I have both a rescued cat and a rescued DL380[12:30:52] <gordonjcp> and a bunch of rescued DC7900s[12:31:31] <arfonzo> hah[12:32:18] <gordonjcp> and probably a bunch of other "rescued" stuff[12:32:25] <gordonjcp> certainly a Korg Polysix[12:32:41] <arfonzo> neat![12:33:06] * gordonjcp wonders if the Mangy Rover counts as a rescue, since it actually cost about a grand and a half[12:33:14] <arfonzo> I'd love to give music making on Haiku a whirl sometime, although I wonder how much support there is for MIDI and other stuff... I have seen a few sequencer ports and packages flying by in haikuports, I think...[12:33:24] <gordonjcp> arfonzo: likewise[12:34:22] *** _3dEyes has joined #haiku[12:34:30] *** choupy has joined #haiku[12:37:38] *** vgezer has joined #haiku[12:42:03] <PulkoMandy> arfonzo: and native apps :) There's Sawteeth[12:42:20] <PulkoMandy> (and a few more)[12:42:37] <arfonzo> ah yeah, that's true. I've never tried any of them... I just wasn't sure if MIDI devices were supported yet.[12:43:01] <PulkoMandy> we have a driver for usb-midi, IIRC it doesn't work with all adapters yet[12:43:48] <PulkoMandy> the midi kit is fairly complete as far as I know, so once you get the hardware working it should be fine[12:44:02] <arfonzo> oh nice, I've got usb-midi I think (Presonus Audiobox USB)[12:49:02] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[12:53:25] *** cnuke has joined #haiku[13:02:01] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[13:06:11] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[13:06:21] *** avril14th has quit IRC[13:08:22] *** avril14th has joined #haiku[13:15:38] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[13:16:24] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[13:16:24] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[13:23:45] *** zz_NumberNoid is now known as NumberNoid[13:30:55] *** i336_ has quit IRC[13:53:16] *** subcritical has quit IRC[14:02:44] *** orealis has quit IRC[14:03:27] *** orealis has joined #haiku[14:08:42] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[14:12:34] *** rvalles has quit IRC[14:14:21] *** rvalles has joined #haiku[14:18:03] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[14:22:09] *** _3dEyes has quit IRC[14:23:07] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[14:26:47] *** nighty-_ has joined #haiku[14:27:49] *** subcritical has joined #haiku[14:33:58] *** KapiX has quit IRC[14:36:02] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[14:38:15] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[14:41:25] *** arroyoc has joined #haiku[14:47:13] *** Colin_Finck_ has joined #haiku[14:48:40] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[14:49:38] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[14:49:45] *** Colin_Finck_ is now known as Colin_Finck[14:50:20] *** KapiX has joined #haiku[15:03:58] *** arroyoc has quit IRC[15:04:26] *** hamishm_ has joined #haiku[15:08:13] *** Vidiot_X has quit IRC[15:20:05] *** axeld has joined #haiku[15:20:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[15:21:38] *** stippi has quit IRC[15:23:30] *** arroyoc has joined #haiku[15:23:40] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[15:23:40] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[15:26:03] <puckipedia> Ha! +- 3 days to go until I'm in the plane to SFO for the GCi week![15:35:50] <gordonjcp> puckipedia: \o/[15:54:03] *** akshay1994 has joined #haiku[15:54:04] <akshay1994> 94[15:54:11] <puckipedia> 99[15:54:27] <puckipedia> That's Numberwang![15:54:41] <akshay1994> Haha!! Like always, my IRC :([15:55:31] <akshay1994> Hello everyone!! :)[15:55:59] <gordonjcp> 376[15:56:12] <puckipedia> That's Numberwang![15:56:48] *** _marc` has quit IRC[15:56:53] *** stargater has joined #haiku[15:58:03] <gordonjcp> Edgeware Road[16:00:29] <gordonjcp> stargater: your move[16:01:02] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[16:01:21] <stargater> gordonjcp: you mean what?[16:01:53] <puckipedia> That's numberwang! stargater, you are our numberwang, and gordonjcp, you have been wangernumbed![16:02:03] <puckipedia> Reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjOZtWZ56lc[16:02:03] <gordonjcp> come on, surely you know how to play Mornington Crescent?[16:02:13] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[16:02:29] <puckipedia> almost correct reference[16:04:57] <stargater> why ?[16:05:23] <puckipedia> Well, akshay1994 accidentally said "94"[16:05:42] <puckipedia> which was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That_Mitchell_and_Webb_Look#Recurring_sketches[16:05:49] *** pdziepak has joined #haiku[16:06:01] <stargater> ok i dont understand , but sounds like a joke time :-)[16:06:02] <puckipedia> Mornington Crescent is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mornington_Crescent_%28game%29[16:06:12] <puckipedia> Watch Numberwang, it doesn't make any sense[16:06:47] <akshay1994> My IRC client for some reason likes to copy the last two characters of my nick :P[16:07:07] <akshay1994> And I am still not sure why[16:07:13] <puckipedia> Which?[16:07:34] <akshay1994> Colluquy[16:08:53] <puckipedia> hmm[16:09:04] <gordonjcp> Mornington Crescent is, however, completely serious[16:09:19] <puckipedia> Numberwang too[16:09:23] <gordonjcp> yup[16:09:40] <puckipedia> Just that the rulebook for Numberwang isn't too easy to find[16:09:40] <gordonjcp> http://louhuang.com/2048-numberwang/[16:09:48] <gordonjcp> puckipedia: likewise MC[16:10:22] <puckipedia> Fun fact, you can change Math.random to always return 1[16:10:26] <gordonjcp> the canonical work is Stovold's "Rules and Origins"[16:10:51] <gordonjcp> it's out of print now, and I lent my copy to an old girlfriend and never got it back[16:12:53] *** arroyoc has quit IRC[16:13:25] <akshay1994> I think you people must have tried the 2048 game. Quite addictive it is :P h ttp://gabrielecirulli.github.io/2048/[16:13:39] <puckipedia> Ah, the \u001c character[16:14:04] <PulkoMandy> akshay1994: yes, I got it working in our WebKit port just yesterday[16:14:14] <puckipedia> :P[16:15:03] <akshay1994> :D[16:15:50] <akshay1994> Which reminds me, I just started working on WebGl. So do we have WebGL support on our WebKit port?[16:15:56] <puckipedia> iirc, not[16:15:59] <puckipedia> afaik*[16:15:59] <PulkoMandy> no, not yet[16:16:09] <puckipedia> !patchwanted akshay1994[16:16:09] <epigraph> akshay1994: Haiku is Free Software, therefore you can fix it yourself and send a patch, which would likely be very appreciated. cf. http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/SubmittingPatches[16:19:34] <akshay1994> I can start looking into it after summers, probably. Sounds like a big and interesting project![16:23:46] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[16:24:11] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[16:24:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[16:24:36] *** nighty-_ has quit IRC[16:25:20] *** nighty-_ has joined #haiku[16:25:43] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[16:25:45] *** PlkMndy has joined #haiku[16:30:07] *** freedomrun has joined #haiku[16:32:05] *** Wabouz has joined #haiku[16:34:33] *** leszek has joined #haiku[16:50:25] *** avril14th has quit IRC[17:08:13] *** Wabouz has quit IRC[17:13:15] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[17:15:26] *** narendraj9 has joined #haiku[17:16:18] *** Sir_Designer has quit IRC[17:19:19] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[17:22:05] *** akshay1994 has quit IRC[17:24:43] *** vgezer has quit IRC[17:34:29] *** Slor has quit IRC[17:37:00] *** pseudomind has joined #haiku[17:40:11] *** Slor has joined #haiku[17:43:35] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[17:48:49] *** stargater has quit IRC[17:53:23] <bbjimmy> epigraph needs to be removed from #haiku. Its response to !patchwanted reads like a little boy giving an adult the rasberry.[17:53:23] <epigraph> bbjimmy: Error: "needs" is not a valid command.[17:54:05] <scanty> are there any video cards in which bitmap overlay is supported? + i need people to test my NES emulator before i make an official package, if you are interested privmsg me[17:54:07] *** pseudomind has quit IRC[17:54:15] <puckipedia> Well, we don't use acceleration[17:54:24] <PlkMndy> we support overlay[17:54:39] <PlkMndy> old radeons, S3, Mach64, things of that era[17:54:43] <PlkMndy> not on newer cards however[17:55:03] <scanty> well there are a few blitters. BView+BBitmap, BVIew+Overlay, BDirectWindow, and fullscreen BWindowScreen[17:55:07] <PlkMndy> maybe early intel_extreme, but not later models (never got that to work)[17:55:11] <scanty> I just need people to test[17:55:11] <humdinger> is there a way to test?[17:55:44] <scanty> I will release a binary xzball soon, just need some documentation to be typed up and make sure everything compiles nice and clean[17:56:09] *** stippi has joined #haiku[17:56:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[17:56:11] <puckipedia> just upload rthe hpkg[17:56:30] <scanty> then I have to learn how to make a hpkg[17:56:34] <scanty> instructions somewhere?[17:56:39] <humdinger> Is having "DirectWindow" in Chart any indication?[17:56:45] <PlkMndy> humdinger: no[17:56:51] <puckipedia> Building it from within haikuporter is the best[17:56:55] <PlkMndy> run MediaPlayer someVideo in terminal[17:57:02] <PlkMndy> if you get "Can't connect the video source to the video window... trying without overlays, error: Out of memory" you don't have overlays[17:57:03] <puckipedia> bb.haikuports.org[17:57:06] <scanty> no, and hardware cursor is not supported in BDirectWindow.[17:57:09] <PlkMndy> not sure what the message is when it works[17:57:29] <scanty> at least with nvidia cards'[17:57:45] <PlkMndy> hardware cursor is disabled everywhere[17:57:54] <PlkMndy> we should change that[17:58:10] <scanty> BDirectWIndow mode works fine except when you move your mouse over the window you get a trailing black square[17:58:21] <scanty> that doesn't go away until the screen is refreshed[17:59:01] <PlkMndy> yes[17:59:09] <humdinger> FWIW, my nvidia 7600 doesn't support overlay.[17:59:51] <scanty> yeah, there's no nvidia driver yet.[17:59:53] <scanty> just vesa[17:59:58] <scanty> so my quadrok600 doesn't either[18:00:09] <scanty> but the code to render to overlay is there[18:00:33] <PlkMndy> I would have tried on my radeon 7000, but I think the hdd I had Haiku on died[18:00:59] <PlkMndy> so I have to replace it first... 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