April 7, 2014 
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April 7, 2014 [00:03:15] *** jua_ has quit IRC[00:04:55] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[00:31:47] *** epigraph has quit IRC[00:39:07] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[00:50:04] *** DaaT has quit IRC[00:50:36] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[01:02:51] *** kkux has quit IRC[01:03:01] *** kkux has joined #haiku[01:20:33] *** Hub_ has joined #haiku[01:21:15] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[01:41:43] *** temnikd has joined #haiku[01:42:57] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[01:46:25] *** jaime_ has quit IRC[01:49:03] *** Hub_ has quit IRC[02:20:58] *** vgezer has joined #haiku[02:21:47] *** rta has quit IRC[02:22:39] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[02:31:23] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[02:31:23] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[02:36:07] *** rta has joined #haiku[02:54:20] *** NumberNoid is now known as zz_NumberNoid[03:17:09] *** rta has quit IRC[03:20:07] *** Donliu has joined #haiku[03:27:26] *** ASmith42 has joined #haiku[03:28:27] <ASmith42> Haiku seems very pokey in VirtualBox. Is there a guide somewhere which addresses proper settings in VirtualBox?[03:28:46] <ASmith42> ...for Haiku, that is.[03:30:14] *** rta has joined #haiku[03:30:35] <jessicah> what's the problems?[03:30:57] *** Donliu is now known as Don[03:31:23] *** Don is now known as DonLiu[03:31:37] <ASmith42> It seems slow to boot for starters.[03:32:42] <jessicah> sits at the disks icon for a little while?[03:32:57] <ASmith42> I have a bare metal installation on an older Core Duo laptop with an IDE drive and it boots faster than my VirtualBox on a Core i5 with and SSD.[03:33:18] <ASmith42> I think it first hesitates at the chip.[03:33:26] <jessicah> hmm[03:34:08] <jessicah> i change some of the default settings[03:34:42] <ASmith42> I noticed there was an "SSD" checkbox in VirtualBox.[03:34:57] <jessicah> i used ich9 as chipset, usb tablet pointing device, ide controller using ich6, audio is ich ac97, network is intel pro/1000 mt[03:35:18] <ASmith42> I haven't tried changing any settings. I thought I'd ask if there was a guide first before spending unnecessary time fiddling with trial and error.[03:35:20] <jessicah> seems to work fairly well for me[03:35:33] <jessicah> i don't know if there is a guide[03:35:38] <ASmith42> OK[03:35:46] <ASmith42> I'll try messing around then. :)[03:35:49] <ASmith42> Thanks.[03:36:09] *** ASmith42 has quit IRC[03:36:45] <jessicah> mine just pauses at the disks icon (mounting all the packages), and then slight pause at the rocket before desktop shows[03:36:49] <jessicah> the rest is pretty fast[03:37:15] <jessicah> and things like network & audio work without issue so far[03:40:54] *** vgezer has quit IRC[03:43:15] *** ASmith42 has joined #haiku[03:43:33] <jessicah> oh didn't see you quit, lol[03:43:42] <jessicah> better now?[03:44:05] <ASmith42> I was mistaken about one thing: My virt HD resides on an SATA HDD.[03:45:14] <jessicah> shouldn't be too much of an issue[03:45:24] <ASmith42> Otherwise, it still boots about the same: 8 sec stall at the chip, on to the Rocket, which lights up, 5 seconds to the blank blue screen, then about 10-15 seconds on that with just the pointer before Tracker comes up.[03:45:25] <jessicah> my virtual disk resides on a smb share for example[03:45:29] <jessicah> still seems fairly responsive[03:45:45] <jessicah> :o[03:46:05] <ASmith42> It has 2GB RAM.[03:46:16] <ASmith42> Is there a limit?[03:46:31] <jessicah> takes ~17 seconds from starting vbox to full desktop here[03:46:41] <ASmith42> Luckyyyyyy[03:46:42] <ASmith42> :P[03:47:00] <ASmith42> One thing did improve: mouse capture.[03:47:16] <jessicah> yeah the usb tablet pointer thing is a nice trick[03:47:17] <ASmith42> I had it on PS/2 and moving it to USB tablet did that, I think.[03:47:21] <ASmith42> :D[03:47:26] <jessicah> learned it from some other people here[03:48:17] <ASmith42> I guess I'll be troubleshooting this and making a guide.[03:48:19] * ASmith42 laughs.[03:50:05] <jessicah> my vm has 2gig & 3 cpus associated with it[03:50:35] <jessicah> only other thing i can think of is maybe changing your disk controller type[03:50:39] <ASmith42> I've only the 2 cores on mine.[03:50:49] <ASmith42> So I'm using 1 for Haiku.[03:50:57] <ASmith42> OK[03:51:03] <ASmith42> I'll be right back.[03:51:04] <jessicah> you're on a mobile i5 chip?[03:51:26] <ASmith42> No. Desktop. Sorry. The laptop is a Core Duo.[03:51:50] *** ASmith42 has left #haiku[03:55:30] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:59:24] *** ASmith42 has joined #haiku[03:59:45] <ASmith42> Still takes over a minute from hitting start to see Tracker.[04:01:36] <ASmith42> Oh, well. I'll keep trying different things and see if I come upon the issue.[04:14:35] <jessicah> huh weird[04:14:50] <jessicah> are you using a recent nightly?[04:16:08] *** pdziepak has quit IRC[04:17:37] *** Cenbe has quit IRC[04:18:09] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[04:18:20] <ASmith42> Yes.[04:18:29] <ASmith42> A few nights old, I think.[04:18:58] <jessicah> i dunno then[04:19:00] <jessicah> seems weird[04:19:23] *** Cenbe has joined #haiku[04:19:26] <ASmith42> Quite.[04:19:54] <ASmith42> I installed it onto the blank vm disk which came with it.[04:19:59] <ASmith42> Is that a problem?[04:20:24] <jessicah> not that i know of[04:20:36] <jessicah> i normally create new disks myself[04:20:42] <jessicah> since i compile stuff in haiku[04:20:50] <jessicah> find 2gig gets used up pretty damn quickly :p[04:20:58] <jessicah> webkit esp[04:21:18] <jessicah> which takes like a whole day to compile inside a VM :p[04:22:11] <ASmith42> Wow.[04:22:17] <ASmith42> Good to know... I hope.[04:22:19] <ASmith42> :P[04:23:39] <ASmith42> Bedtime for me. Thanks for the help.[04:23:58] <jessicah> goodnight :)[04:24:11] * ASmith42 is idle: BRB[04:47:33] *** Cenbe has quit IRC[04:47:56] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[04:48:06] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[04:49:40] *** Cenbe has joined #haiku[04:53:05] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[04:53:40] *** DonLiu has quit IRC[04:55:43] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[04:56:39] *** freakazoid0223_ has joined #haiku[04:56:49] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[05:00:13] <scanty> damn i ran out of regsiters[05:00:23] <scanty> gcc won't let me use ebp[05:04:26] *** _marc` has quit IRC[05:07:39] *** freakazoid0223_ has quit IRC[05:12:59] *** rta has quit IRC[05:17:21] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[05:17:51] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[05:20:16] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[05:20:20] *** freakazoid0223_ has joined #haiku[05:21:04] *** DonLiu has joined #haiku[05:25:23] *** rta has joined #haiku[05:42:02] *** Barrett has quit IRC[05:52:21] *** earthnative has quit IRC[05:54:00] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[05:54:00] *** HaikuUser is now known as SMCollins[05:57:06] *** pseudomind_ has joined #haiku[05:57:32] *** SMCollins has quit IRC[05:59:33] *** freakazoid0223_ has quit IRC[06:00:40] *** arselinux has quit IRC[06:06:22] *** dnivra_ is now known as dnivra[06:06:28] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[06:06:31] *** dnivra has quit IRC[06:06:31] *** dnivra has joined #haiku[06:07:00] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[06:07:48] *** DonLiu has quit IRC[06:08:09] *** DonLiu has joined #haiku[06:23:40] *** pseudomind_ has quit IRC[06:33:38] *** KapiX has joined #haiku[06:44:58] *** KapiX has left #haiku[06:48:29] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[06:48:55] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[06:48:55] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[06:51:32] <ddavid123> I have a question about Package Management and Haiku Depot. Would it make more sense for Haiku Depot to install apps to '/boot/home/config/packages' instead of '/boot/system/packages'?[06:52:58] <ddavid123> It would be easier to keep apps durring re-install. Also I don't think user installed apps belong in the system directory! Linux users do not install applications to /sbin.[06:57:28] <DonLiu> yeah， I agree.[06:58:53] <DonLiu> Even more, I think it's more clear if the apps installed to 'boot/home/apps'[07:01:45] <ddavid123> I agree. DonLiu[07:02:38] <ddavid123> I will write a enhancement ticket.[07:02:54] <ddavid123> an enhancement ticket.[07:03:48] <DonLiu> that's good.[07:04:17] <ddavid123> I am in the process of doing it now[07:11:05] <jessicah> packages are just compressed files; they wouldn't go in /boot/home/apps[07:12:07] *** pseudomind_ has joined #haiku[07:13:00] <jessicah> holy crap... "welcome to the haiku bootloader"[07:13:21] <jessicah> efi hacking coming along :D[07:17:58] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[07:18:31] <Duggan> jessicah, you are?[07:20:18] <Duggan> efi hacking I mean[07:21:10] *** soakbot has quit IRC[07:21:14] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[07:21:23] *** soakbot has joined #haiku[07:21:24] <jessicah> yup[07:21:32] <Duggan> excellence :)[07:21:34] <jessicah> i got a heap initialised, and display the boot menu[07:22:00] <Duggan> I got it to start booting earlier but it kdled complaining it can't find a bootable partition :/[07:22:22] <jessicah> err, with efi?[07:22:29] <Duggan> in other news, my old laptop is now connected to the internet via an ad hoc network with my new laptop[07:22:36] <Duggan> no, legacy mode :P[07:22:37] <Duggan> sorry[07:22:41] <Duggan> should have specified...[07:22:48] <jessicah> ah[07:22:54] <Duggan> either way, it got that far... which is more than I had previously[07:22:56] <jessicah> weird that it can't find a bootable partition...[07:23:11] <Duggan> was booting off a usb stick[07:23:14] <jessicah> you don't happen to be using a USB3 port, do you?[07:23:22] <jessicah> USB3 ports don't work, last time i checked[07:23:40] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[07:23:49] <Duggan> possibly... it's whatever is built into the laptop... aren't they downgraded to 2 though?[07:24:10] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[07:25:51] <Duggan> perhaps if I were to burn it to a cd :/[07:26:09] <Duggan> that, unfortunately, requires me to go buy some... ugh[07:27:51] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[07:29:01] <IIsi50MHz> Duggan, are the USB ports blue, yellow, white, or other?[07:29:15] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[07:29:19] <IIsi50MHz> Blue is usually 3, yellow usually 2 with extra power, white 1.[07:29:54] <Duggan> eh... metallic with a black tab in the middle?...[07:30:23] <Duggan> I don't see anything colored around it anywhere[07:30:23] <IIsi50MHz> Well, it's the tab that generally changes colour. So, other.[07:30:37] <Duggan> I've only ever seen black tabs... anywhere[07:31:16] <IIsi50MHz> Er, white is most common.[07:31:38] * IIsi50MHz commits sacrilege: http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=usb+port&go=&qs=n&form=QBIR&pq=usb+port&sc=8-8&sp=-1&sk=[07:31:44] <Duggan> never seen one[07:33:25] <IIsi50MHz> actually...white is ambiguous 2 or 1. Don't know why I only type '1'.[07:33:36] <Duggan> an example: https://fixitfriends.com/system/image/instruction_lines/000/000/409/USB_Port_large.jpg?1363798089[07:34:05] <Duggan> not mine, but google images is your friend in such cases[07:34:54] <IIsi50MHz> bing is your unwanted neighbour who sometimes has something that you need :-D[07:34:59] <ddavid123> Duggan, my buddy! Nice to hear from you.[07:35:06] *** _marc` has quit IRC[07:35:07] <Duggan> ddavid123, greetings :D hows things?[07:35:20] <ddavid123> Things are ok, you?[07:35:43] <Duggan> same... work sucks but I've found a decent way to force me to write code so I figure now is a good time to get back into Haiku[07:36:26] <ddavid123> That is good..... Not that work sucks, but that you are back.[07:36:28] <IIsi50MHz> Ah...I'm still at the "should I really try to do x..." stage.[07:36:50] <ddavid123> I just sumbited the ticket.[07:36:53] <Duggan> ... assuming I can get it working on a laptop decently... which is unlikely to happen until UEFI support is finished unfortunately as my new laptop has that... or until I can find some way to boot in legacy mode which so far isn't happening[07:37:34] <ddavid123> I am lucky, I have a system 76 Sable Complete! No freaking UEFI[07:37:58] <Duggan> otherwise I'm setting up an ad hoc network just to get internet access on my old machine[07:38:23] <Duggan> I have to go through all of my junk and throw out what I can... out of space on my partitions there[07:38:26] <ddavid123> You still living in the same place?[07:38:59] <Duggan> and I guess some stuff got corrupted... svn disappeared from both bootable partitions so I can't even get a diff to figure out what source I had changed last[07:39:01] <IIsi50MHz> (Port bfgminer, and Armory, and Bitcoin Core, and the necessary FTDI driver, _and_ clone CGWatcher's functionality ...or just buy another Windows license for the new machine)[07:39:04] <ddavid123> I remember I tried to buy hay from you a while back! lol[07:39:08] <Duggan> ddavid123, in Mobile, AL now[07:39:16] <ddavid123> sweet[07:39:21] <Duggan> lol yeah, I'm close to the same place hehe[07:39:29] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[07:39:32] <ddavid123> Internet better?[07:39:44] <Duggan> yeah... still a bit spotty, but better[07:39:54] <ddavid123> PulkoMandy! You are welcome![07:40:05] <PulkoMandy> hello world![07:40:22] <Duggan> ddavid123, they took the ole dev channel away from us, I guess PulkoMandy forgot he was an op :P[07:41:24] <ddavid123> Pulkomandy has been working feverishly to get webkit and webpositive up to stuff! HTML5 audio and video, am I right?[07:41:38] <Duggan> I noticed... nice work, PulkoMandy[07:42:00] <Duggan> seems drafter might well still be needed so I'll probably pick that up first once I'm up and running...[07:42:04] <ddavid123> Those bastards! They took away the dev channel! lol[07:42:13] <Duggan> ddavid123, not dev, I meant 3rdparty :P[07:42:23] <ddavid123> Oh.[07:42:32] <jessicah> hey PulkoMandy[07:42:44] <Duggan> 3rd party dev... it's all the same... kinda...[07:42:45] <Duggan> lol[07:42:59] <PulkoMandy> ah yes, sorry, forgot that in my autojoin list[07:43:01] * IIsi50MHz imagines #haiku-dev dressed up in an orange parka with fur-line hood pulled up[07:43:17] <ddavid123> Over the years, I am surprised I can remember the domain[07:43:25] <Duggan> hehe[07:43:27] <IIsi50MHz> Thanks for the imagery, ddavid123 (:[07:43:40] <Duggan> been about 2 since I did any serious coding...[07:43:43] <ddavid123> No problem![07:44:16] <ddavid123> You know what they say? Once you learn, you never forget.[07:44:24] <ddavid123> Yea, right1[07:44:26] <Duggan> they're liars[07:44:28] <ddavid123> ![07:44:28] <Duggan> hehe[07:45:04] <IIsi50MHz> Once you forget, you can read code but not write it worth a damn. Or...that's my situation.[07:45:09] <ddavid123> I done forgot the difference between an object and a instance! Oh, well[07:45:40] <Duggan> an object is an instance of a class? :P[07:46:03] <ddavid123> That is my problem with english! I can read fluently, but my writting is gibberish1[07:46:22] <Duggan> what? did you say something?[07:46:28] <ddavid123> See, Duggan! You did not forget it all1[07:46:37] * IIsi50MHz gives Duggan a cookie[07:46:56] <Duggan> of course not, that's what I do for work :P[07:47:12] <ddavid123> He he he![07:47:15] <Duggan> they say do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life.... what a crock... do what you love and you'll learn to hate it more like[07:47:32] <ddavid123> That is the truth[07:47:32] <Duggan> but like I said, I found a way to force myself to program so it's all good... it's enjoyable again :)[07:47:55] <ddavid123> That is why marrage does not last long much of the time[07:47:56] <Duggan> ... as long as I'm not at work...[07:48:38] <Duggan> wouldn't know, I haven't had that problem lol[07:48:50] <ddavid123> You are fortunate[07:48:54] <jessicah> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7JAXjoVHyeEeFg0RVFlVk8wNTA/edit[07:49:15] <jessicah> it's not much... but that's haiku_loader.efi showing a hacked up boot menu[07:49:21] <jessicah> lots of stuff disabled still :)[07:49:54] <ddavid123> You have been doing alot of good lately, jessicah[07:50:00] <Duggan> I approve! :D[07:50:09] <Duggan> don't forget to update the copyright :P[07:50:20] <ddavid123> Goodness yes[07:50:37] <jessicah> that's in a bit of code i not touched yet :p[07:50:51] <ddavid123> 2013 was soo last year. lol[07:51:25] <Duggan> hehe[07:51:40] <ddavid123> I have always loved Haiku's boot menu![07:51:49] <Duggan> honestly I've never used it :P[07:51:50] <IIsi50MHz> Librarians and such used to get miffed at me because I thought "copyright date" was too cumbersome to say, so I called it "copywhen".[07:52:03] <Duggan> lol[07:52:10] <ddavid123> It comes in handy sometimes[07:52:28] <Duggan> ah drafter... can't wait[07:52:31] <jessicah> like when you can't boot[07:52:38] <ddavid123> yep[07:52:55] <ddavid123> or your new fangled gui won't gui[07:53:00] <Duggan> on my old laptop I have windows vista... used easybcd to take care of that one[07:53:31] <Duggan> before that I think it was grub... not sure... that was a loooooong time ago[07:53:35] <IIsi50MHz> Yah, saved my grandmother's computer once when a virus left Windows unbootable--or rather, removing the virus did.[07:53:58] <Duggan> IIsi50MHz, you mean windows?[07:53:59] <IIsi50MHz> Haiku bootloader got it pointed in the right direction.[07:54:05] <ddavid123> Like for instance when Haiku runs in Vesa mode but Vesa does not have the correct screen resolution[07:54:14] *** _3dEyes has quit IRC[07:54:19] <ddavid123> And you can't see squat[07:55:11] * IIsi50MHz reaches the umpteenth branch of the parse tree and finally realises what Duggan meant[07:55:27] <ddavid123> Is there work on a Haikuware repot for HaikuDepot?[07:55:29] <Duggan> lol[07:55:40] <ddavid123> "Ropot" ha ha ha[07:55:41] *** freedomrun has joined #haiku[07:55:54] *** Vidiot_X has joined #haiku[07:55:55] <jessicah> lol, you even typo your typos[07:56:04] <IIsi50MHz> So do I.[07:56:33] <Duggan> lol[07:56:35] <ddavid123> That was on purpose for dramatic effect! Yes, that is what happened! Uh, huh.[07:56:43] <Duggan> right.[07:57:03] <ddavid123> Duggan did a doctor evil "Right"[07:57:29] <ddavid123> Like he did not believe me. lol[07:57:35] <IIsi50MHz> I imagined more generic British or Scottish.[07:57:41] <IIsi50MHz> But then, I'm watching BBC.[07:57:53] <Duggan> just typed it matter-of-factly.... because I don't believe you :P[07:58:33] <ddavid123> Isn't BBC just great! Only 13 episodes per season of doctor who! I want 26 episodes of Dr. Who.[07:58:51] <ddavid123> "Right".[07:58:55] <Duggan> so, bad news is, whatever work I had done in the repo previously... it's gone... may not be such a bad thing since I wouldn't remember anything about it anyway[07:59:01] <IIsi50MHz> Well, if they were to film one season per season of the year...that'd be plenty.[07:59:05] <Duggan> or will be gone soon anyway...[08:00:13] <ddavid123> Does any of the devs here use "Cloud Hosting"?[08:00:20] <jessicah> ddavid123: that seems to be the norm for most series nowadays :([08:01:53] <ddavid123> I have never liked the term "Cloud".[08:03:00] <IIsi50MHz> Just marketroids searching for new terms for the same thing, once public perception turns negative.[08:03:32] <ddavid123> B.R.B. and N.A.P.[08:04:00] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[08:04:14] <IIsi50MHz> Shh, OmniMancer's here.[08:04:19] <IIsi50MHz> O, hi Omni.[08:05:03] <IIsi50MHz> Actually, there was just talk of progress with EFI bootloader.[08:06:48] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[08:07:52] <OmniMancer> hi[08:08:39] <IIsi50MHz> Suitable that ircCloud colours you blue; you being magical an'all.[08:10:00] <jessicah> yeah, i hacking away at efi a little[08:10:28] <IIsi50MHz> And making progress.[08:10:58] <jessicah> cool, can reboot now. that's faster than holding down the power button and turning back on[08:11:19] <jessicah> UEFI provides a lot of useful services to get the basics working[08:17:55] *** stargater has joined #haiku[08:18:32] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[08:20:26] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[08:24:37] <Duggan> one last smoke and I'm off to bed... gotta work in a few hours :([08:26:55] <IIsi50MHz> oyasuminasai, Duggan[08:27:45] *** pseudomind_ has quit IRC[08:28:23] <Diver> hi jessicah: if you're touching haiku_loader's menu code maybe you you could take a look at https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/7469 ?[08:30:11] <Duggan> alrighty, I'm off... see you guys later[08:31:52] *** alpha123 has quit IRC[08:33:24] *** alpha123 has joined #haiku[08:33:46] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[08:33:56] *** pseudomind_ has joined #haiku[08:34:59] *** pseudomind_ has quit IRC[08:44:02] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[08:45:12] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[08:50:14] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[08:54:14] *** axeld has joined #haiku[08:54:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[08:55:36] *** DonLiu has quit IRC[09:00:30] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[09:00:56] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[09:02:28] *** stippi has joined #haiku[09:02:28] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[09:12:24] *** DonLiu has joined #haiku[09:15:56] *** stippi has quit IRC[09:16:16] *** stippi has joined #haiku[09:16:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[09:18:14] *** jjido has joined #haiku[09:19:06] *** DonLiu has quit IRC[09:23:55] *** axeld has quit IRC[09:24:47] <jessicah> Diver: hmm, sure, i can take a look :)[09:25:08] *** stippi has quit IRC[09:25:56] *** stippi has joined #haiku[09:25:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[09:30:17] *** freedomrun has quit IRC[09:31:35] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[09:34:30] *** freedomrun has joined #haiku[09:35:19] *** _3dEyes has joined #haiku[09:36:05] *** jjido has quit IRC[09:38:23] <jessicah> done :)[09:38:41] <jessicah> don't think i've got commit access yet though[09:38:47] * jessicah formats a patch[09:40:53] *** epigraph has joined #haiku[09:44:53] <Diver> jessicah: awesome! :)[09:45:53] <jessicah> no problem :)[09:46:16] <jessicah> i excel at the little fixes :p[09:46:52] <PulkoMandy> we need more server admins to grant access to people :/[09:47:51] <jessicah> hmm, i should prolly check xcode's whitespace settings though[09:47:59] <jessicah> might update my patch in a second[09:48:53] <jessicah> is my editor supposed to insert tabs or spaces? tabs right?[09:49:58] <jessicah> eek, bad xcode[09:49:59] * jessicah fixes[09:50:13] *** DonLiu has joined #haiku[10:07:22] <PulkoMandy> yes, tabs[10:10:00] <jessicah> happy patch uploaded :)[10:14:53] *** OmniMancer1 has joined #haiku[10:16:06] *** OmniMancer2 has joined #haiku[10:17:04] <jessicah> omni's replicating...[10:17:53] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[10:18:33] *** KapiX has joined #haiku[10:19:30] *** OmniMancer1 has quit IRC[10:29:14] *** epigraph has quit IRC[10:33:53] *** Xenmen has quit IRC[10:34:21] *** Xenmen has joined #haiku[10:44:17] *** stargate1 has joined #haiku[10:44:36] *** Xenmen has quit IRC[10:47:28] *** stargater has quit IRC[10:52:24] *** epigraph has joined #haiku[11:14:29] *** freedomrun has quit IRC[11:14:55] *** earthnative has joined #haiku[11:15:15] *** subcritical has joined #haiku[11:24:13] *** DonLiu has quit IRC[11:27:42] *** freedomrun has joined #haiku[11:39:22] <Premislaus> http://nothings.org/games/minesweeper/ - very funny :P[11:39:38] <Premislaus> "Minesweeper: Advanced Tactics"[11:40:58] <jessicah> minesweeper is my favourite game :)[11:41:07] *** freedomrun has quit IRC[11:44:51] <Premislaus> :)[11:44:52] *** DonLiu has joined #haiku[11:45:04] <Premislaus> btw this is very good site[11:45:06] <Premislaus> http://nothings.org/writing/websucks.html[11:45:46] <Premislaus> 128 KB - HTML 3.2 , 1,547 KB - HTML 4.01[11:46:35] *** epigraph has quit IRC[11:47:23] *** dnivra has quit IRC[11:49:33] *** dnivra has joined #haiku[11:51:51] <jessicah> haha, that was an interesting read about minesweeper[11:52:10] <jessicah> i have to share that with my friend[11:52:15] <jessicah> he's a board completionist too[11:56:05] *** KapiX has quit IRC[12:00:38] *** Jafura has quit IRC[12:03:56] *** temnikd has quit IRC[12:08:07] *** orealis has quit IRC[12:08:55] *** orealis has joined #haiku[12:14:45] *** Jafura has joined #haiku[12:20:09] *** nighty-_ has joined #haiku[12:28:37] *** dnivra has quit IRC[12:29:21] *** Jafura has quit IRC[12:30:47] *** dnivra has joined #haiku[12:36:48] *** stargate1 has quit IRC[12:37:12] <irker-974> haiku.master: jessicah * hrev47100 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=c552bd6+%5Edc8a0ae[12:37:13] <irker-974> c552bd6: haiku_loader: search for matching shortcut in supermenus[12:38:57] <jessicah> Diver: there you go :)[12:40:23] <Diver> thanks a lot![12:40:26] <Diver> jessicah: another possibly little fix for you to make :-P https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/4276[12:44:19] <jessicah> that would only apply to Tracker though, right?[12:44:24] *** Jafura has joined #haiku[12:44:27] <jessicah> others have quit at least in them[12:44:41] * jessicah fires up the vm[12:44:49] <Diver> Deskbar[12:44:57] <jessicah> i mean the entry[12:45:21] <Diver> ah[12:45:42] <Diver> any app without windows[12:46:10] <jessicah> everything else gets the Quit application item[12:46:57] <jessicah> as well as the No windows item[12:47:50] <Diver> you're right[12:53:36] *** Wikus has joined #haiku[12:53:53] <Wikus> Good morning all[12:54:31] <jessicah> good morning Wikus[12:56:38] <Wikus> I am sorry to join the channel and immediately ask questions but I have just found the (lovely!) haiku OS and I am very impressed, I am having trouble with one aspect though, I need to be able to run remote desktop but I am (probably missing something simple) seemingly unable to run the command or the package I have downloaded "rdesktop"[12:57:48] <jessicah> what error do you get?[12:57:58] *** vgezer has joined #haiku[12:57:59] <jessicah> it might be a bit outdated... are you running a nightly or alpha4?[12:58:03] <Wikus> the package appears to just immediately close for me?[12:58:17] <Wikus> I am running the alpha4[12:59:15] <Wikus> I was under the impression that the non "rdesktop" application was like a front end for the command line?[13:00:18] <jessicah> i have no idea, sorry :([13:00:32] <jessicah> haikuware can be a bit of a hit and miss[13:00:45] <jessicah> esp when alpha5 hits...[13:02:02] <Wikus> don't worry about it, I am completely new to Haiku os I suspect it is something I am doing wrong :-) I will fiddle with the command line option until I can get what I need, I am used to using VNC I suspect this is similar[13:02:08] <Wikus> thank you anyway![13:02:27] <jessicah> hmm, i think there might be some vnc clients about too[13:04:04] *** mccall is now known as Guest11130[13:04:30] <Wikus> I have seen one on the haikuware website, I was just getting frustrated by trying to get rdesktop to run, I will switch over if I fail... basically all I need is a system to run remote desktop to a windows server, and I'd like to do it via Haiku, I love the OS so far, so lovely and clean and fast![13:04:53] <PulkoMandy> we have an rdesktop client?[13:05:14] <PulkoMandy> also, it's just Haiku, not "Haiku OS"[13:05:24] <PulkoMandy> (unless there is a risk of confusion with the japanese poems)[13:05:26] <Wikus> noted[13:06:08] <PulkoMandy> I use VNC here, but it's a version I have modified a bit, then lost my changes in an HDD crash[13:06:52] <PulkoMandy> I think the version you can find on haikuware hides the system cursor, but the machine you connect to may not display its own cursor (depending on the server you use)[13:07:03] <PulkoMandy> other than that, it should work[13:07:41] <PulkoMandy> if you know where the sources for the rdesktop port are, I may have a look. It may be too old to handle new windows versions, maybe[13:07:47] <Wikus> the version I downloaded was[13:07:49] <Wikus> http://haikuware.com/directory/view-details/internet-network/remote-access/rdesktop[13:08:31] <Wikus> and it has given me a terminal command, but I was under (possibly mistakenly) the impression that the above link provided some sort of GUI client[13:09:38] <Wikus> running the application from the above link merely blinks the name of it at the bottom of the deskbar then immediately vanishes[13:09:51] <PulkoMandy> looks like a command line app[13:10:29] <PulkoMandy> so "./rdesktop server" should work, and you can create either shell scripts or xicon icons if you want to "bookmark" some servers[13:10:41] <PulkoMandy> http://www.goodeveca.net/beos/xicon.html[13:11:05] <Wikus> ah excellent thank you[13:12:08] *** Jafura has quit IRC[13:17:44] *** DonLiu has quit IRC[13:17:54] *** Vidiot_X has quit IRC[13:18:12] <Wikus> one last thing, I have managed to 'brick' this machine I'm testing hakiu out on several times now, what is the best method of backing up the OS? dd to an image?[13:19:08] *** e1z0 has quit IRC[13:20:39] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[13:22:19] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[13:24:38] *** OmniMancer2 has quit IRC[13:26:52] *** Jafura has joined #haiku[13:32:59] <Wikus> aha I have managed to connect to the server I wanted, thanks again PulkoMandy![13:33:25] *** epigraph has joined #haiku[13:34:33] *** e1z0 has joined #haiku[13:37:11] <Wikus> back in a while[13:37:17] *** Wikus has quit IRC[13:39:09] *** orealis has quit IRC[13:39:54] *** orealis has joined #haiku[13:41:38] *** stippi has quit IRC[13:46:26] *** Guest11130 has quit IRC[13:56:30] *** Wikus has joined #haiku[13:59:09] <Wikus> I am pretty happy with getting rdesktop to run the way I want it to, can someone suggest a good system backup tool (for the haiku newbie!) ?[14:02:45] *** zz_NumberNoid is now known as NumberNoid[14:13:37] *** puckipedia has quit IRC[14:14:57] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[14:17:40] *** stippi has joined #haiku[14:17:51] *** KapiX has joined #haiku[14:17:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[14:18:22] *** puckipedia has joined #haiku[14:19:04] <arfonzo> I guess you could run the Installer, and copy that onto your backup media[14:19:12] <arfonzo> also, does the \ key work for you in rdesktop?[14:19:37] <arfonzo> (run the Installer from the environment that you want to backup, that is)[14:21:21] <Wikus> I just want to backup the system settings now that I have everything running smoothly, I found this WaybackCapsule but I'm clearly misunderstanding how to use it, I will try the backslash...[14:21:49] *** dnivra has quit IRC[14:22:10] <Wikus> backslash is working for me on win web server 2008 r2...[14:22:36] <arfonzo> oh, cool, \ never worked for me in rdesktop[14:22:41] <PulkoMandy> depends on the keymaps[14:22:47] <PulkoMandy> rdesktop is a bit strange for that[14:22:53] <arfonzo> yeah, likely. I'm a UK keymap.[14:23:01] <PulkoMandy> even on linux you can get problems with that[14:23:03] <Wikus> same here[14:23:14] <PulkoMandy> especially if the local and remote keymaps aren't the same[14:23:19] <arfonzo> ... oh, strange[14:23:34] <arfonzo> (local and remote are the same in my case)[14:23:59] *** dnivra has joined #haiku[14:24:00] <PulkoMandy> may also depend on the windows version :)[14:24:30] <arfonzo> i'll try that. I'll check out an xrdp to see if \ will work.[14:24:32] <PulkoMandy> Wikus: I have a separate partition with my data, so if I break the system, I can reinstall it without losing too much data[14:24:59] <PulkoMandy> but with the package management in recent nightlies, the system dir is now read only, making it harder to break things[14:25:03] <PulkoMandy> (but not impossible)[14:26:02] *** _3dEyes has quit IRC[14:26:04] <Wikus> I am currently terrified of breaking my shiny haiku install now that I have it running the way I want to, there's basically nothing on this system other than haiku and rdesktop (I also found fonzoterm which I like), I am keen to back up the system settings[14:27:22] <PulkoMandy> well, so you can use installer for that[14:27:30] <PulkoMandy> it it essentially a disk copy tool[14:28:57] <arfonzo> FYI Wikus, I released FonzoTerm quite a while ago; most of the changes are already now in the main Terminal app[14:29:55] <Wikus> PulkoMandy ah thank you, arfonzo thanks for the info, I needed something that would handle ansi :][14:30:17] <arfonzo> ah, cool[14:30:27] <arfonzo> I also ported SyncTERM, if you're a BBSer :)[14:30:38] <arfonzo> that has full ANSI support for Haiku.[14:31:14] <Wikus> I used to BBS waaaay back in the day I get nostalgic for it these days :] ansi art is due for a comeback imo[14:31:31] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[14:32:28] <Wikus> I think I will have to shut down and install another hdd to back up onto, again, back in a bit[14:32:28] <arfonzo> well, perhaps. I've been running a BBS for many years, and I don't see too much traffic these years.[14:33:05] <Wikus> I'm glad to hear that, it's important to keep alive the old traditions[14:33:12] *** i336_ has quit IRC[14:33:59] <arfonzo> well, if ever you feel nostalgic, you can grab SyncTERM and check out my BBS :) http://fatcatsbbs.com[14:34:27] <arfonzo> it renders "mostly" OK with the default Terminal app in Haiku now too, as long as you're on a nightly.[14:34:46] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[14:35:09] <Wikus> hey thanks for the link I will do so :-)[14:35:35] <Wikus> brb[14:35:37] *** Wikus has quit IRC[14:36:11] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[14:36:25] <gordonjcp> yay, BBSes[14:36:43] <gordonjcp> arfonzo: which BBS software do you use?[14:37:42] <arfonzo> synchronet[14:38:42] *** dnivra has quit IRC[14:39:06] *** dnivra has joined #haiku[14:39:17] <arfonzo> I've been speaking to the unix main developer, we'll try to port it sometime to Haiku, if we can.[14:42:09] <gordonjcp> cool[14:42:16] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[14:42:22] <gordonjcp> I'm tempted to set up an AX.25 BBS again[14:42:28] <gordonjcp> I did run a MUD on AX.25 for a bit[14:42:44] <gordonjcp> because MUDding and amateur radio are not nerdy enough on their own[14:45:02] *** flos has joined #haiku[14:45:48] <arfonzo> ah, cool, my friend wrote some AX.25 support for synchronet, so I know some people that do it on more "modern" BBS software, currently.[14:46:05] *** flos has quit IRC[14:46:11] <arfonzo> as usual, it's more of a novelty than anything tho, apparently it's really.... really... slow.[14:46:54] *** stargater has joined #haiku[14:49:56] *** Wikus has joined #haiku[14:50:25] <gordonjcp> arfonzo: oh, I'll need to give that a try[14:50:41] *** flos has joined #haiku[14:51:53] <Wikus> ok I have installed another hdd and formatted it up for haiku FS, to create a backup of my primary is it simply installer > install from (primary) onto (secondary) > begin ?[14:52:47] <arfonzo> I believe so[14:53:03] <Wikus> I will give it a shot![14:53:43] *** flos has quit IRC[14:54:36] *** subcritical has quit IRC[14:55:20] <Wikus> well it appears to have worked[14:57:41] <Wikus> thanks for clearing that up I now feel much more confident to fiddle around :][14:58:31] *** flos has joined #haiku[14:59:00] <gordonjcp> arfonzo: well, AX.25 is usually either 1200bps or 9600bps[14:59:06] *** flos has joined #haiku[14:59:28] <lewellyn> heh. that's not slow. :P[14:59:41] <lewellyn> that's the proper speed to allow ansi graphics to work right.[14:59:49] <gordonjcp> well, 1200bps is a bit low[14:59:51] <gordonjcp> 9600 is fine[14:59:58] <lewellyn> i did much of my bbsing at 2400.[15:00:36] * lewellyn shows his age, inadvertently[15:00:56] *** flos has quit IRC[15:01:16] <gordonjcp> lewellyn: likewise[15:01:23] <Wikus> first machine I ever connected to a BBS with was my Atari STe[15:01:34] <gordonjcp> I do actually pop on IRC occasionally over AX.25 through various nefarious means[15:02:06] *** flos has joined #haiku[15:02:17] *** rimio has left #haiku[15:05:15] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[15:06:52] *** Wikus has quit IRC[15:12:14] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[15:12:38] *** orealis has quit IRC[15:13:25] *** orealis has joined #haiku[15:15:00] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[15:21:04] <irker-974> haiku.master: zooey * hrev47101 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=0c69a2c+%5Ec552bd6[15:21:05] <irker-974> 0c69a2c: Drop reference to no longer existing opengrok-site.[15:21:26] *** PaulHarrisJr____ is now known as PaulHarrisJr_[15:23:00] *** zeusk has joined #haiku[15:23:01] <zeusk> Hi[15:25:22] <KapiX> hello[15:27:50] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[15:29:06] *** kkux has quit IRC[15:38:53] *** pdziepak has joined #haiku[15:40:28] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[15:50:59] *** Wikus has joined #haiku[15:51:46] *** zeusk has quit IRC[15:52:25] <Wikus> can someone tell me the best way to connect to a windows share from haiku? I would have used the FtpPositive but it seems to just sit on listing the remote dir and never get any further[15:53:48] <KapiX> where did you get FtpPositive?[15:53:58] <Wikus> haikuware website...[15:54:09] <KapiX> they probably have old version[15:54:17] <KapiX> I fixed the listing issue[15:54:31] <KapiX> https://github.com/HaikuArchives/FtpPositive[15:54:39] <Wikus> ah ha ! thank you sir[15:58:33] *** dnivra has quit IRC[15:59:00] <Wikus> uhoh I need to compile this and I've not done that with Haiku so far, is there a guide for this?[15:59:25] <KapiX> it's easy, just cd into src directory and run jam[15:59:49] <KapiX> it should compile without any problems[15:59:59] <Wikus> ah it has done, thank you[16:00:02] *** dnivra has joined #haiku[16:00:26] *** dnivra is now known as Guest73323[16:00:53] <munchausen> cant get haiku to boot on my new xeon machine[16:01:03] <munchausen> :([16:01:12] <Wikus> I'm getting the same thing as before but it is probably the hardware I'm connecting to... i'm trying to connect to the ftp service on a buffalo terrastation NAS[16:07:40] <Wikus> yeah it's something to do with the hardware annoyingly[16:13:56] <Wikus> nvm will try and get samba running brb[16:13:58] *** Wikus has quit IRC[16:15:36] *** _marc` has quit IRC[16:17:17] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[16:17:40] *** vgezer has quit IRC[16:18:12] *** vgezer has joined #haiku[16:18:23] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[16:27:37] *** Wikus has joined #haiku[16:32:23] *** poxip has joined #haiku[16:32:53] *** flos has quit IRC[16:35:17] *** Guest73323 has quit IRC[16:37:12] *** dnivra has joined #haiku[16:37:36] *** dnivra is now known as Guest21415[16:40:04] *** siel has quit IRC[16:58:49] *** kkux has joined #haiku[16:58:55] *** siel has joined #haiku[17:02:30] *** Blub\0 is now known as Blub\w[17:06:19] *** vgezer has quit IRC[17:07:11] *** Wikus has quit IRC[17:09:56] *** pdziepak has quit IRC[17:11:22] *** stippi has quit IRC[17:12:53] *** rta has quit IRC[17:20:29] *** DKnoto has joined #haiku[17:22:40] *** stargater has quit IRC[17:26:38] *** rta has joined #haiku[17:42:09] *** luroh has joined #haiku[17:56:18] *** tqh has joined #haiku[17:56:36] *** freakazoid0223_ has joined #haiku[17:56:42] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[18:14:23] *** stargater has joined #haiku[18:17:50] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[18:20:33] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[18:22:20] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[18:27:58] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[18:29:55] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[18:31:36] *** Xenmen has joined #haiku[18:32:09] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[18:44:21] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[18:45:50] *** Gareth_ is now known as Gareth[18:46:14] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[18:46:24] *** nightfury91 has joined #haiku[19:00:03] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[19:00:52] <Duggan> yay lunch break![19:01:33] <irker-974> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev47102 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=f38165a+%5E0c69a2c[19:01:33] <irker-974> 29f1217: Add some more keywords to the vim recipe syntax file.[19:01:34] <irker-974> f38165a: Add multipart/related MIME type for MHTML files.[19:01:47] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[19:01:52] *** fhein has joined #haiku[19:05:04] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[19:05:27] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[19:06:37] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[19:06:56] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[19:14:24] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[19:15:00] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[19:19:13] *** pdziepak has joined #haiku[19:20:17] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[19:20:53] <puckipedia> Woo! 6 days to go until GCi![19:24:51] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[19:25:09] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[19:25:39] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[19:27:54] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[19:28:45] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[19:29:13] *** stux has joined #haiku[19:29:34] *** freakazoid0223__ has joined #haiku[19:30:38] *** freakazoid0223_ has quit IRC[19:30:53] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[19:35:10] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[19:35:14] <tqh> GCi?[19:35:21] <puckipedia> Google Code-In[19:35:29] *** freakazoid0223__ has quit IRC[19:35:43] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[19:36:46] <tqh> ah nice.[19:38:21] <puckipedia> Fun fact: My school's vacation starts one week after the Google Code-in activity week[19:38:41] <tqh> Fun for you perhaps ;)[19:38:58] <puckipedia> :P[19:39:08] <luroh> gci again already?[19:39:18] <puckipedia> nope, activity week for the 20 winners[19:39:30] <luroh> oh[19:39:32] <tqh> I have a fun fact too: I got a week off after easter as I'm switching jobs.[19:39:51] <puckipedia> iirc, GCi is from Sunday through Wednesday/Thursday, so technically I could go to school Friday, although I would probably have lots of jetlag[19:40:59] <PulkoMandy> I guess visiting Google is an acceptable excuse for missing school ?[19:41:32] <puckipedia> What do you think?[19:42:00] <puckipedia> I'm trying to get VT-x working in Haiku and will probably show it at the GCi activity week[19:43:08] <Duggan> always fun when checkfs kdls[19:43:29] <puckipedia> yay![19:43:46] <Duggan> yep[19:43:56] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[19:45:10] <jessicah> morning :)[19:45:56] <puckipedia> 19:45 here[19:45:59] <tqh> evening[19:46:19] <jessicah> 5:45am :p[19:48:29] <bbjimmy> 10:48[19:49:47] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[19:50:49] *** vgezer has joined #haiku[19:52:20] <jessicah> tqh: oh, for gsoc, i can probably help a little bit with co-mentoring a student for EFI stuff[19:52:47] *** nightfury91 has quit IRC[19:56:27] <tqh> jessicah, If you can you should register as a mentor for Haiku on melange: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/connection/pick/google/gsoc2014[20:01:55] <Duggan> jessicah, done with EFI yet? :P[20:02:17] <jessicah> haha, a GSoC student will be working on it :p[20:02:20] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[20:05:12] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[20:05:21] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[20:05:59] *** Yann64 has joined #haiku[20:06:14] <tqh> Actually that is a bit early to say.[20:06:27] <jessicah> okay, might be working on it :)[20:06:31] <jessicah> hopefully there might be one[20:06:52] <tqh> yes[20:08:52] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[20:09:25] <tqh> Google announces students on the 21st.[20:10:21] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[20:10:50] *** Nozy has quit IRC[20:11:12] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[20:12:12] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[20:12:24] <jessicah> okay, submitted connection request with haiku in melange[20:13:42] <puckipedia> Did they use TCP? (SYN, SYN-ACK and ACK)[20:13:45] <puckipedia> :)[20:16:10] <tqh> Good. I think Matt or Urias need to confirm.[20:16:11] <jessicah> :p[20:17:05] <jessicah> yep[20:17:24] *** Barrett has quit IRC[20:17:32] *** vongrippen has quit IRC[20:17:45] <jessicah> i got efi to a stage where it can initialise the heap, run the boot menu, and reboot the system yesterday :)[20:18:08] <jessicah> efi seems like quite a nice interface[20:18:17] <puckipedia> Except that it uses PE maybe[20:18:28] <puckipedia> Also, why the structs with function pointers?[20:18:34] *** Guest11130 has joined #haiku[20:18:40] <jessicah> that's not such a big deal[20:19:02] <puckipedia> TBH, having classes feels like it is nicer[20:19:36] <jessicah> puckipedia: why not? it works well[20:19:48] <puckipedia> Well, it works, although I think having classes is nicer[20:20:02] <puckipedia> Actually, those are even more compiler dependant[20:21:01] <tqh> I think they want to keep it C.[20:21:16] <puckipedia> I thought UEFI was c++, til[20:21:32] <jessicah> it's just a specification[20:22:00] <jessicah> you could write an EFI app in ocaml if you really wanted to[20:22:03] <puckipedia> with c++, I meant "mostly written in C++-specific code"[20:22:36] <jessicah> uefi doesn't have any code[20:22:55] <puckipedia> well, the specifications then[20:23:01] <jessicah> it's up to platforms to implement however they deem fit, as long as they stick to the specs[20:23:07] <tqh> the interfaces are C calling convention.[20:23:36] <puckipedia> and they use no C++ specific functions, like classes[20:23:43] <jessicah> nop[20:23:58] <jessicah> you should have a quick browse through the efi specification if you're curious[20:24:02] <puckipedia> I did[20:24:02] <jessicah> it's fairly well written imo[20:24:21] <puckipedia> The thing I was looking for was a way to change the Windows boot image[20:24:25] <puckipedia> Win8*[20:24:26] <tqh> I havn't read it.[20:24:52] <jessicah> the windows boot image?[20:25:00] <tqh> EFI spec.[20:25:15] <jessicah> you can mount the efi partition on windows with mountvol[20:25:17] <puckipedia> If you boot Windows 8 on an UEFI pc, it shows the vendor logo usually[20:25:38] <jessicah> oh[20:25:53] <jessicah> yeah, mine shows big Intel splash screen with the win8 loading circle thingy[20:26:02] <puckipedia> Exactly[20:26:09] <puckipedia> Mine shows Samsung, because I have a Samsung laptop[20:26:26] <puckipedia> Is there a comprehensive list of every UEFI protocol?[20:26:29] <puckipedia> most*[20:26:34] <jessicah> i think that's just a property of how windows implemented their bootloader[20:26:51] <puckipedia> Actually, it's in the UEFI[20:27:18] <jessicah> the windows circle will be part of the windows os loader app[20:27:41] <jessicah> it's likely the platform paints the splash screen, and then the windows os loader simply avoids overwriting that area[20:28:34] <jessicah> might be a uefi variable somewhere to say "hey, i've got a bootsplash available"[20:28:51] <jessicah> since i get the normal windows 8 logo on airbook[20:29:34] <tqh> I think oems replace windows .efi with their own. 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