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[00:06:45] <scanty> haiku supports C++11, yes?
[00:06:59] <jessicah> for gcc4
[00:07:03] <scanty> yeah
[00:07:04] <jessicah> yes
[00:07:07] <scanty> I don't mess with gcc2
[00:07:10] <scanty> too ancient for me
[00:07:12] <scanty> cool.
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[00:23:01] <jessicah> \o
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[04:09:07] <ASmith42> I'm new to programming, but hope to learn enough one day to help with Haiku.  What is most people's work flow?  Do you download a new nightly build each day and work in that?  If so, how do you move your previous work?  Something else?
[04:09:54] <jessicah> hi ASmith42
[04:10:11] <jessicah> i just run install over top of existing
[04:10:12] <ASmith42> Hello, Jessica!  Saw your name on the listserv recently. :)
[04:10:19] <jessicah> listserv?
[04:10:24] <ASmith42> Mailing list
[04:10:36] <ASmith42> Request for commit access.
[04:10:44] <ASmith42> :D
[04:10:45] <jessicah> yeah, adrien requested
[04:11:00] <jessicah> i just contribute small fixes usually
[04:11:06] <ASmith42> So, you don't keep anything prior... because it is already in the nightly build?
[04:11:17] <ASmith42> Ah, I see.
[04:11:20] <jessicah> it only replaces my system directory
[04:11:29] <jessicah> and overwrites some config files and things
[04:11:37] <ASmith42> Oh, OK.
[04:11:39] <jessicah> the home directory is basically untouched
[04:12:00] <ASmith42> Ah! You anticipated my question!
[04:12:03] <ASmith42> Ha!
[04:12:10] <ASmith42> Thanks for the response!
[04:12:17] <jessicah> but i usually just run in a vm
[04:12:29] <ASmith42> That's what I've decided to do.
[04:12:36] <jessicah> dev either on my airbook, or win+linux setup
[04:12:48] <jessicah> smb/ssh to linux vm on windows
[04:13:11] <jessicah> everybody has their own workflow :)
[04:13:14] <ASmith42> OK
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[04:13:44] <jessicah> some people only update to a newer nightly if there's something in they need
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[04:14:12] <Duggan> greetings earth creatures
[04:14:24] <jessicah> meow =^.^=
[04:14:30] <ASmith42> Hail!
[04:17:14] <Duggan> how are things out in these parts? it's been a while...
[04:17:55] <ASmith42> Don't ask me.  I just got here.
[04:18:04] <jessicah> good!
[04:18:12] <ASmith42> :D
[04:18:14] <jessicah> adrien will be releasing new version of haikuwebkit/web+
[04:18:19] <Duggan> fair enough... glad to hear it jessicah :)
[04:18:21] <jessicah> which will have html5 audio & video support
[04:18:27] <jessicah> hello youtube!
[04:18:30] <Duggan> excellent :)
[04:18:44] <jessicah> not sure what else is new
[04:19:03] <jessicah> js is happily working away at 64-bit support
[04:19:16] <jessicah> like updating packages and things
[04:19:40] <Duggan> cool... I haven't been around for quite a while... I have two new computers and I still have yet to install it natively on either of them :(
[04:19:52] <jessicah> do it now! :D
[04:20:03] <jessicah> i still can't get haiku to boot on my airbook
[04:20:19] <jessicah> couple other people have got it to work, but mine seems retarded
[04:20:32] <Duggan> haha... we'll see... I'm a bit intimidated knowing I'll have to attempt to get all my old code off of one of my old machines which doesn't work very well at all...
[04:20:54] <Duggan> the machine, not the code :P
[04:20:59] <jessicah> :p
[04:21:05] * ASmith42 chuckles.
[04:21:10] <jessicah> losing code is a bad thing... better go recover it :)
[04:21:21] <Duggan> I'm glad someone else has finally decided to give the scheduler some love... I'd rather have been able to get back to it myself, but as long as it gets done, that's what matters...
[04:21:34] <jessicah> it's getting there
[04:21:38] <jessicah> still needs more love
[04:21:48] <Duggan> plus I should probably get back to work on drafter... seems it might still have a purpose :P
[04:22:01] <jessicah> what's drafter?
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[04:24:07] <Duggan> part of the graphics stack I was working on... would have allowed for reasonably easy implementation of compositing, multihead support, accelerator crash recovery, etc... and would have provided a platform on which gallium could have been built
[04:24:33] <jessicah> hmm, sounds interesting
[04:25:04] <Duggan> I haven't been keeping up with news so who knows what of that might have changed... might not even be needed/necessary anymore...
[04:26:39] <Duggan> that's all assuming I can in fact recover all my old code
[04:28:36] <jessicah> is it not in the svn repo?
[04:28:58] <Duggan> nope, I'm not a dev... not even technically a contributor... but I do work from time to time
[04:30:22] <jessicah> http://www.pulkomandy.tk/projects/haiku3daccel/wiki/DevelopmentGuide < the repo here i mean
[04:30:49] <Duggan> OH lol yes, that's me :P
[04:31:01] <jessicah> is your code not in there?
[04:31:36] <Duggan> should be, but I've been away from it for so long...
[04:31:50] <Duggan> I was really only just getting started with it
[04:31:56] <Duggan> but it was showing promise even early
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[04:32:57] <jessicah> well, i'm sure if a couple of you guys got together to work on it some more, might bear fruit
[04:33:26] <jessicah> with kallisti5 working on gallium3d stuff, though very busy atm =/
[04:33:34] <jessicah> omnimancer looking to help some with that
[04:33:56] <jessicah> and looncraz, wherever he hides, if he's still active, and all his ideas around compositing
[04:34:09] <jessicah> i'm sure could build a small team to push that forward
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[04:34:29] <Duggan> yeah the paper on compositing was good and inadvertently I found that what I was working on was pretty much exactly what was in the paper before I even read it lol
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[04:37:31] <Duggan> again, with all the work everyone else has been doing, it may not be viable anymore, I don't know... and I'm pretty consciencous(sp?) of stepping on toes
[04:38:04] <jessicah> i don't think much has changed inside of app_server
[04:38:35] <jessicah> and kallisti5's work is kinda at a wall last i heard
[04:38:44] <jessicah> step 1: get the code
[04:38:54] <jessicah> step 2: get it working with current master
[04:39:12] <jessicah> step 3: announce intentions on mailing list / get feedback
[04:39:18] <Duggan> hmm
[04:39:19] <jessicah> step 4: write more code :p
[04:39:52] <jessicah> the best way to get something new into haiku is having some semi-working code :)
[04:39:59] <alpha123> Wait, is someone working on compositing? Sweet!
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[04:40:23] <Duggan> lol
[04:40:28] <jessicah> not atm
[04:40:35] <jessicah> but poke Duggan lots :p
[04:40:44] <alpha123> Duggan: *poke*
[04:40:56] <alpha123> Here, have my moral support, because I can't stand C++: Go Duggan!
[04:40:57] <alpha123> =P
[04:40:58] * Duggan seriously considers it...
[04:41:06] <Duggan> lol
[04:41:09] <Duggan> I love c++ :P
[04:41:51] <alpha123> Er... I prefer to stick to HTML/XSLT/CSS/JS and occasionally Ruby. :P
[04:42:15] <alpha123> (I somehow managed to crash anything I write in C++ :P )
[04:42:25] <Duggan> you can have web dev :/ that's mostly what I do at work... asp.net/silverlight/etc... will be using mvc soon... ugh
[04:42:40] <Duggan> but I'm lucky enough to have some c++ to work on too ;)
[04:44:45] <ASmith42> Thanks for your input, jessicah.
[04:44:56] <ASmith42> I'm off to bed.  Take it easy, all.
[04:45:12] * ASmith42 is idle: BRB
[04:45:27] <Duggan> l8r ASmith42
[04:49:21] <Duggan> sad thing is, I purposely left the code in a messy state so BitPuffin could clean it up and get acquainted with c++ :P
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[04:50:19] <jessicah> haha
[04:50:31] <jessicah> i don't think i've seen bitpuffin in a while
[04:51:33] <jessicah> oh he does still show up
[04:51:41] <jessicah> just doesn't say much
[04:55:56] <Duggan> yeah sucks I haven't been around much :/
[04:56:23] <Duggan> PulkoMandy still hangs out here sometimes?
[04:56:37] <alpha123> He's here a lot
[04:56:45] <Duggan> great :)
[04:56:51] <alpha123> He's getting payed to make a decent web browser :)
[04:56:59] <Duggan> so I hear :)
[04:57:00] <jessicah> he's done the html5 audio/video work :)
[04:57:28] <Duggan> and to think I helped him get started ;) lol
[04:59:52] <jessicah> how can you list branches on a remote with git?
[05:00:34] <Duggan> can't answer that, I never got the hang of git and haven't used it in a couple years anyway... I still prefer svn :P
[05:00:37] <Duggan> sorry
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[05:22:37] <Duggan> trying to see if I can get my old laptop fired up... found my usb drives...
[05:25:12] <Duggan> about to resize the windows partition on my new laptop...
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[05:32:17] <alpha123> That reminds me I should download the latest nightly and try it on actual hardware again :P
[05:33:17] <Duggan> oh wow! my old laptop seems (so far) to be working!
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[05:39:47] <Duggan> ok, it did work... for a little bit... now it doesn't :(
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[05:41:41] <OmniMancer> :(
[05:42:52] <Duggan> hey OmniMancer
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[05:43:20] <Duggan> at least the old Haiku partition works on it... doesn't do me much good though since it doesn't have wireless working :/
[05:43:42] <Duggan> but that does mean I still have my code ;)
[05:45:09] <Duggan> AND I still have the sources for PIT ;)
[05:45:19] <Duggan> which no doubt is in dire need of an update...
[05:45:27] <jessicah> PIT?
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[05:46:28] <Duggan> Personal Isssue Tracker, it's on haikuware
[05:46:55] <Duggan> the only program I've independently written that's been distributed
[05:47:43] <alpha123> Duggan: Just curious, how old is your laptop? I've tried to get it to work on this 2008 laptop before with no success (though I'd like to try a new nightly soon).
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[05:52:37] <Duggan> alpha123, eh..... I think it's about that old... it's an HP
[05:53:21] <Duggan> it's currently running.... probably a customized version of r42587
[05:53:36] <Duggan> with old gfx drivers because the intel drivers were broke at the time, at least for my card
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[05:55:29] <andrewbachmann> does anybody have a copy of python for haiku/beos or know where I can download it?  the links on bebits are busted
[05:59:27] <Duggan> andrewbachmann, fraid I don't
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[06:05:55] <jessicah> andrewbachmann: python is on the image, isn't it?
[06:06:01] <jessicah> if not, pkgman install python
[06:06:39] * alpha123 grins upon seeing an actual package manager install command :D
[06:06:55] <andrewbachmann> base: pkgman: command not found
[06:07:50] <andrewbachmann> man my kernel is soooo old
[06:07:51] <jessicah> what are you running? :o
[06:08:05] <andrewbachmann> 44510
[06:09:16] <jessicah> wow that's old
[06:09:22] <jessicah> prolyl want a newer haiku ;)
[06:10:26] <andrewbachmann> :-/
[06:10:37] <andrewbachmann> more work
[06:10:58] <jessicah> :(
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[06:19:10] <andrewbachmann> I've got a haiku alpha 4 here
[06:19:13] <andrewbachmann> I guess I can try that
[06:22:36] <andrewbachmann> not enough I guess
[06:23:35] * andrewbachmann wonders when the next alpha (or beta?) will come out
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[06:43:03] <Duggan> try pkg-config --list-all
[06:43:11] <Duggan> I don't see it on mine, might be on yours though
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[07:06:57] <Duggan> are the nightlies still being built? I thought for sure the build would be much higher than 47094 by now... I mean, I was running 42587 2 years ago...
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[07:09:05] <Duggan> I guess so...
[07:09:35] <senornathan> Unless that changed in the last day, I'd reckon so.
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[07:19:53] <andrewbachmann> well, I tried burning the latest anyboot to a CD and boot from that but it looks like it is missing a bunch of files :-(
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[07:23:57] <Duggan> andrewbachmann, https://dev.haiku-os.org/roadmap your guess is as good as mine as far as "when"
[07:24:21] <jessicah> missing a bunch of files? :o
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[07:37:02] <jessicah> andrewbachmann: there's been a lot of file system changes since alpha 4
[07:37:13] <jessicah> e.g. /boot/common has been completely removed
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[07:50:02] <Duggan> :/
[07:50:09] <Duggan> haiku_loader not found
[07:50:17] <Duggan> makebootable fail :/
[07:50:31] <jessicah> you need to use new makebootable for a PM build
[07:50:40] <jessicah> and/or new mbr
[07:50:53] <Duggan> installing to usb...
[07:51:18] <jessicah> because needs package management to open up the .hpkg with kernel & friends inside
[07:51:26] <jessicah> well, needs some extra code
[07:51:36] <Duggan> hmmm I should be able to mount the image and use the makebootable in it on the usb drive...
[07:51:47] <jessicah> should do :)
[07:53:14] <bbjimmy> isn't makebootable in an .hpkg on a new install image?
[07:53:33] <jessicah> prolly
[07:54:06] <bbjimmy> can't run it if you can't get to it.
[07:54:39] <Duggan> if that's the case I'm screwed
[07:55:17] <jessicah> can't you dd latest anyboot nightly to your usb and boot the usb image?
[07:55:25] <jessicah> and then run installer from usb to your hard disk?
[07:57:00] <Duggan> hmmmm yeah, I should be able to...
[07:57:14] <bbjimmy> I always use QEMU to install to a larger disk image file to dd to a usb stick. giving me the whole stick  for haiku.
[08:00:37] <Duggan> installing with a 2gig stick, the 600mb raw should be sufficient since I'm only using it to install anyway
[08:01:21] <jessicah> hmm, ~$550 for a new intel nuc-based box for htpc might be interesting....
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[08:01:56] <jessicah> then i can use this box solely for dev :)
[08:06:59] <Duggan> usually when I'm in Haiku mode, it's my primary OS and I pretty much never boot into windows
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[08:07:24] <jessicah> i would do the same, but i watch too much tv
[08:07:39] <jessicah> and haiku is not quite media savvy enough for me atm
[08:07:42] <Duggan> has been since... well, since I first started running it natively... I think that was around r28000 or so (off and on through the years of course)
[08:08:06] <Duggan> yet ;)
[08:08:22] <jessicah> also, i can't access work stuff from haiku when i need to
[08:08:32] <Duggan> of course the BeOS was made to be a multimedia operating system... back when "multimedia" was a catchphrase...
[08:08:34] <jessicah> so atm, windows is better for a desktop
[08:08:56] <jessicah> if i get an intel NUC, that can be windows desktop
[08:09:54] <Duggan> I'll probably continue to use windows on my desktop, but my laptop will probably be running Haiku for a while... assuming I can install it and get it to boot............. and also assuming it's stable enough...
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[08:13:15] <jessicah> well, time to go
[08:13:18] <jessicah> see you later Duggan :)
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[08:15:11] <Duggan> bye jessicah
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[08:49:12] <andrewbachmann> thanks for the suggestions all
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[08:59:32] <Duggan> np, andrewbachmann
[08:59:45] <Duggan> anybody know anything about multibooting on a windows 8 machine?...
[09:00:18] <andrewbachmann> on my windows 7 machine I opted for USB stick to boot
[09:00:38] <andrewbachmann> although I put all my data on a partition on the HD
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[09:02:31] <Duggan> hrm... easybcd worked well enough on vista... I considered maybe trying to boot from usb if I could just pick which partition to boot from... I'd rather not have to keep the stick in just to use the OS, but that doesn't seem possible (at first glance)
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[09:05:09] <arfonzo> Ahoy, Haiku friends
[09:05:44] <arfonzo> Duggan: sure, I multi boot with win and haiku
[09:06:31] <arfonzo> I use haiku's BootManager for that... it was pleasantly easy
[09:06:53] <Duggan> yeah I tried that in years past... bootman doesn't like windows...
[09:07:03] <Duggan> or didn't...
[09:09:12] <arfonzo> I've definitely got it working here, with Win 8.1, and a fairly recentish Haiku nightly
[09:09:44] <arfonzo> give me a shout if you have any problems, but I think it's just down to picking and adding the "right" Windows boot partition via BootManager
[09:11:18] <Duggan> gotcha... found some articles about it... let me see what I can come up with...
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[09:21:48] <Duggan> hey PulkoMandy
[09:21:55] <PulkoMandy> hi
[09:21:57] <Duggan> arfonzo, well, apparently my laptop has UEFI
[09:22:12] <Duggan> hows things, PulkoMandy?
[09:22:20] <Duggan> been a while
[09:25:10] <arfonzo> ah Duggan, well I can't help with UEFI, I've done this on a whole bunch of older lenovos withou UEFI.
[09:25:18] <arfonzo> let me know how it goes tho.
[09:27:03] <Duggan> will do... so far I turned on legacy mode and windows 8 still boots
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[09:32:20] <Duggan> not bootable apparently...
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[10:35:52] <stippi> Hi all
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[10:50:01] <irker-974> haiku.master: stippi * hrev47099 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=dc8a0ae+%5E726db74
[10:50:01] <irker-974>     dc8a0ae: HaikuDepot: Set default icon for all packages.
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[10:58:54] <luroh> hi stippi
[10:59:03] <stippi> hi luroh
[10:59:17] <luroh> i have noticed the icons take quite some time (a few minutes) to appear the first time you start haikudepot
[10:59:38] <luroh> i know it's WIP and it's not that i mind or anything, but what is the reason for this?
[10:59:57] <arfonzo> Dugan, darn it. You should maybe speak to some of the folks working on uefi to see the extent of that support in haiku... I'm not sure
[11:00:16] <arfonzo> Duggan
[11:00:29] <luroh> (or maybe it's just me and my virtualized gcc2 haiku?)
[11:00:34] <PulkoMandy> I don't think we have working uefi support yet
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[11:23:23] <jessicah> we don't have uefi that can do useful stuff in terms of booting :)
[11:23:39] <jessicah> it can print to console screen & debug, mebbe keyboard support too :p
[11:23:57] <jessicah> Duggan: you should be able to just use the uefi's boot menu
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[11:49:46] <arfonzo> PulkoMandy: server update - strange... I've got another Haiku VM in Hyper-V, which is not on the DL380 but on an i7 box, which I could swear doesn't have this network jokery happening...
[11:49:59] <arfonzo> and it uses the same hrev, same virtualised NIC, etc. It's odd.
[11:51:01] <arfonzo> meh, anyways, I can put splinter on an i7, it has 8 cores instead of 16, but it's 3.6 ghz whereas the dl380 is only 2.4.
[11:56:53] <jessicah> arfonzo: that stack & tile thing is when a tab is resized in a stack right?
[11:59:46] <jessicah> an i7 has 8 cores? :o
[12:02:17] <arfonzo> jessicah: yeah, exactly, that thing.
[12:03:35] <PulkoMandy> arfonzo: mh... strange
[12:04:00] <arfonzo> jessicah: I'm not really sure about the cores thing actually, hardware isn't my thang, it could be threads not cores perhaps. They show as cores here on the OS side of things anyways.
[12:04:26] <jessicah> oh, quadcore with hyperthreading
[12:04:38] <arfonzo> but personally, if you asked me whether i preferred hosting something on a faster CPU desktop, or on a slower DL380, I'd pick the DL380 every time.
[12:04:40] <jessicah> yeah, those shows up as 8
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[12:04:54] <jessicah> :)
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[15:55:57] <KapiX> I want to make cppunit recipe for haikuports, but there is newer version available. Should I update existing bep file and add recipe with new version or delete the old one?
[15:56:12] <KapiX> Also should cppunit be split into _devel package?
[15:59:22] <PulkoMandy> you can add a new recipe for a new version
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[15:59:58] <PulkoMandy> no need to touch the old file if you don't need to
[16:00:26] <PulkoMandy> and, add a devel packag if it makes sense (for example if there are headers or development libraries to put there)
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[16:02:30] <KapiX> cppunit is development library
[16:02:41] <KapiX> itself
[16:03:30] <KapiX> I can update the bep btw, it shouldn't be hard
[16:04:20] <PulkoMandy> ok then a devel package is probably needed
[16:04:49] <PulkoMandy> and, well, you can update the old recipe, can't hurt to have it, but no need to waste time on it either
[16:05:17] <KapiX> but if everything goes to _devel then what do I put in regular package?
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[16:05:32] <KapiX> oh
[16:05:35] <KapiX> nvm
[16:05:52] <KapiX> there is so file that would go to /lib
[16:05:53] <PulkoMandy> there is still the runtime lib
[16:05:55] <PulkoMandy> yes
[16:06:36] <KapiX> ok, thanks
[16:09:27] <KapiX> I can't compile ncurses with haikuporter, it complains about missing symbol (openssl related I think)
[16:09:57] <KapiX> what should I do?
[16:10:30] <PulkoMandy> fix the recipe
[16:10:36] <Anarchos> KapiX is this symbol defined in libbsd.so ?
[16:10:56] <KapiX> no
[16:11:00] <KapiX> libcrypto.so.1.0.0
[16:11:16] <Anarchos> KapiX then add this lib to the linker options ?
[16:12:03] <KapiX> well, I'm a bit confused because with openssl-1.0.0j everything compiled
[16:12:30] <KapiX> I'm not sure how to fix it
[16:15:26] <KapiX> ok, I see where the problem is, I enabled untested recipes
[16:16:09] <PulkoMandy> ah, yes, avoid openssl 1.0.1, it's broken :(
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[16:40:41] <scanty> almost got my NES emulator to compile
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[16:40:49] <scanty> currently installing libxml2
[16:41:06] <puckipedia> woo
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[16:43:30] <scanty> need some dependencies first, so those are installing
[16:45:41] <scanty> then I have tolearn how to make a package
[16:45:56] <puckipedia> see haikuporter
[16:45:58] <puckipedia> recipes
[16:46:20] <puckipedia> that's the easiest way, easier than making your own package actually
[16:46:23] <scanty> cool thanks
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[16:52:30] <scanty> overlay doesn'twork yet since i'm using vesa driver
[16:53:30] <scanty> hopefully we will get a nvidia driver someday
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[16:54:11] <ASmith42> Is someone working on it?
[16:54:36] <scanty> i heard nouveau might be ported as part of GSoC, but I can't confirm nor deny that
[16:55:07] <ASmith42> Cool.
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[17:03:02] <KapiX> great, I just upgraded my GPU to nVidia :P
[17:03:14] <scanty> i like nvidia
[17:05:26] <scanty> i have a quadro k600 in this machine
[17:05:33] <scanty> pretty good workstation card
[17:05:57] <KapiX> I like them too, especially for long support (I'm pointing at you, AMD :/)
[17:06:08] <scanty> hehe
[17:06:27] <KapiX> I had Radeon HD4850
[17:06:41] <KapiX> they didn't even release drivers for Win 8.1
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[17:06:49] <KapiX> and this card is like 5 years old?
[17:06:56] <puckipedia> Well, Windows 7 drivers will work easily
[17:06:59] <KapiX> I know
[17:07:13] <KapiX> and I managed to install them
[17:07:15] <KapiX> but still
[17:07:33] <KapiX> that is not how you care about customers
[17:07:46] <puckipedia> iirc, Wacom just aliased Windows 8 to Windows 7 or something
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[17:09:33] <KapiX> yeah, AMD didn't even do that
[17:09:52] <KapiX> you have to unpack the drivers and then use system utility to find and install them
[17:10:01] <puckipedia> Compatibility mode?
[17:10:08] <KapiX> because Win 8 installer won't install them
[17:10:36] <KapiX> claiming they are not compatible with your system
[17:10:37] <puckipedia> Wait, what?
[17:10:48] <scanty> win8 is a mess
[17:10:51] <puckipedia> Windows 8-compatible installer doesn't work with Windows 8.1?
[17:10:52] <scanty> imo
[17:10:55] <KapiX> it works
[17:11:00] <KapiX> but omits driver installation
[17:11:04] <KapiX> it installs CCC
[17:11:09] <puckipedia> Okay, that's even weirder
[17:11:10] <KapiX> but drivers are omitted
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[17:11:54] <puckipedia> Well, I like Windows 8, but it helps that I have a touchscreen laptop (and a Surface Pro)
[17:11:59] <KapiX> well, maybe you'll pay more for an nVidia card, but their support is way better than AMD's
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[17:12:33] <scanty> i'm just glad i got HW drivers on freebsd
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[17:14:19] <puckipedia> I use Windows 8
[17:14:24] <puckipedia> (.1) and Arch Linux
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[17:15:08] <scanty> i use freebsd, and keep windows around for things like quartus
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[17:20:00] <scanty> and avr studio
[17:20:19] <puckipedia> Well, at least Windows XP isn't supported in 2 days
[17:20:31] <scanty> really?
[17:20:39] <puckipedia> Our school still uses XP... :S
[17:21:11] <puckipedia> They're going to switch over in August, iirc
[17:21:45] <scanty> to what?
[17:22:03] <puckipedia> 7 or 8 probably
[17:22:10] <scanty> hopefully 7
[17:22:12] <puckipedia> But, still using XP? Inexcusable
[17:22:15] <scanty> i can't stand win8
[17:22:30] <puckipedia> Doesn't matter if they have Win8, they're still going to throw PowerFuse over it
[17:23:00] <scanty> what's that?
[17:23:06] <puckipedia> It's horrible
[17:23:17] <puckipedia> Looking for a good image now
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[17:23:56] <scanty> man, building in a VM takes forever
[17:24:33] <Duggan> greetings earth creatures
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[17:24:45] <puckipedia> Well, PowerFuse layers over Windows, and makes it possible to easily change many stuff like the start menu, all remotely
[17:25:18] <puckipedia> Sadly, there are two ways to do that: One is changing the original Windows shell (like explorer), or to replace the whole start menu + taskbar with their own creation
[17:25:37] <puckipedia> It slows down boot
[17:25:54] <Duggan> jessicah, no, doesn't seem to work... and after reading up on it I suppose I can see why
[17:25:55] <scanty> bleh
[17:26:02] <puckipedia> s/boot/login/
[17:26:49] <puckipedia> Why use powerfuse workspace manager over windows' own explorer shell: "Users do not have to attend a course every time Microsoft releases a new version of Windows."
[17:27:03] <Duggan> lol
[17:27:27] <puckipedia> "Upgrading to a new Windows version poses no stress for users and administrators." "One company look and feel, regardless of the Windows version used."
[17:28:03] <Duggan> good idea... to capitalize on microsoft's fails
[17:28:28] <puckipedia> Still, it looks like Windows 98
[17:28:39] <Duggan> I bet you know how to use it though
[17:29:05] <puckipedia> Well, that's because IT IS A LIST OF APPS
[17:29:07] <puckipedia> IN FOLDERS
[17:29:23] <Duggan> and yet microsoft still can't get it right lol
[17:29:41] <puckipedia> YOU CAN'T SEARCH
[17:30:34] <puckipedia> They have horribly broken the super key (no search, no win+e for explorer, it takes approx forever to open the "start menu" after pressing the button)
[17:31:11] <puckipedia> http://sbc.vanbragt.net/mambo/images/stories/Reviews/RES/Powerfuse/pwf8-5.jpg is the best image I can find
[17:31:21] <Duggan> meh... win8 still sucks... I never used ME but I imagine it can't be much worse than 8... unusable is unusable regardless of whether it's due to instability or a piss poor UI design
[17:32:47] <puckipedia> Well, Win8 runs as well as Win7
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[17:34:19] <Duggan> in other news, my old laptop still seems to run Haiku natively like a champ, even if windows doesn't work well on it anymore... guess I need to learn about UEFI so I can get it running on the new laptop
[17:35:00] <puckipedia> Well, Haiku doesn't support UEFI
[17:35:37] <puckipedia> What you want to do is disable SecureBoot, enable Legacy Mode and either add an mbr, or install bios-grub and chainload Haiku from that
[17:35:54] <narendraj9> puckipedia, What is this UEFI stuff all about? It confuses me.
[17:36:04] <Duggan> narendraj9, it's a replacement for BIOS
[17:36:04] <puckipedia> UEFI is a replacement for the BIOS
[17:36:11] <narendraj9> That I know.
[17:36:25] <narendraj9> How does it differ in terms of the boot process.
[17:36:28] <narendraj9> ?
[17:36:30] <puckipedia> It is meant to put behind the years of max < 1mb of ram (real mode)
[17:36:38] <Duggan> puckipedia, dd'd a raw image to a USB stick, enabled legacy mode which disables secure boot... says no bootable device found when booting from it
[17:36:57] <puckipedia> The UEFI first initializes some stuff, then it loads some drivers, and looks in the boot order
[17:37:03] <Duggan> narendraj9, well, all of the BIOS interrupts are replaced for starters
[17:37:26] <puckipedia> It will try to load the first .efi (that's an executable for the UEFI), it gets passed the system functions
[17:37:46] <narendraj9> There are multiple .efi's? What do they contain?
[17:37:48] <puckipedia> Then, that app can do stuff like show graphics, etc. Or it can load other files from the fs and boot an OS
[17:37:54] <puckipedia> narendraj9, there can be multiple .efi's
[17:38:06] <narendraj9> So, an .efi can do things like booting an OS.
[17:38:08] <puckipedia> They're usually stored on the ESP, a small fat32 partition
[17:38:27] <narendraj9> The first partition that's mandatory?
[17:38:29] <puckipedia> They can do everything you expect an app to do
[17:38:44] <puckipedia> narendraj9, it's not always mandatory, but without it you can probably only boot from usb drives
[17:39:02] <narendraj9> Okay. So how does it add security?
[17:39:23] <puckipedia> There's a protocol called SecureBoot by Microsoft, which requires all .efi's to be signed by some keys
[17:39:30] <Duggan> ... assuming it sees the usb drive as bootable, which is my problem... let me try running makebootable on it again and we'll see if that helps... boots on my old laptop fine from USB, not so on the new one
[17:39:49] <puckipedia> These keys are stored in the nvram, and by default it's only Microsoft's keys
[17:40:02] <narendraj9> nvram?
[17:40:05] <puckipedia> (by Microsoft's law, you are required to have the possibility to disable/add keys to secureboot)
[17:40:15] <puckipedia> nvram is a bit of flash memory your bios uses for settings
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[17:40:22] <narendraj9> okay.
[17:40:57] <narendraj9> So. nvram has keys to decrypt what MS encrypted with their keys. Something like that?
[17:41:14] <puckipedia> nope
[17:41:33] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: you probably need an anyboot image, not a raw one
[17:41:44] <luroh> Duggan: just for the heck of it, you may want to try dd'ing an anyboot image to the stick.  some computers have been known to require it
[17:41:47] <PulkoMandy> (the difference is there is a partition table)
[17:42:05] <Duggan> but you can only run an OS that microsoft allows you to or you have to do some serious hacking :P
[17:42:05] <puckipedia> The .efi is signed with a private key (which needs to be private) and the public key can be used to verify the signature
[17:42:10] <puckipedia> nope
[17:42:13] <puckipedia> That's not true
[17:42:14] <Duggan> PulkoMandy, luroh ah ok I'll try... thanks
[17:42:33] <narendraj9> puckipedia, okay. How would haiku support uefi now?
[17:42:34] <puckipedia> Microsoft has the requirement (on x86(_64)) that you must be able to disable SecureBoot
[17:42:40] <puckipedia> it doesn't yet, atm
[17:43:04] <narendraj9> you will have to talk to Microsoft? Why can't we have our public keys in the nvram?
[17:43:15] <puckipedia> Well, you can just disable SecureBoot
[17:43:18] <narendraj9> I mean the public keys that can verify .efi's made by haiku.
[17:43:32] <narendraj9> puckipedia, yes.
[17:43:49] <Duggan> puckipedia, I've come across some sites that state that win8 won't boot in legacy mode, but my laptop doesn't seem to mind (thankfully)
[17:43:51] <puckipedia> those need to be signed by Microsoft, and then you can use your key to sign the haiku loader .efi (which doesn't exist) and that will be accepted by the os
[17:44:16] <puckipedia> Well, I disabled SecureBoot (has its own switch for me) and it still boots, ofc
[17:44:48] <puckipedia> They meant bios mode
[17:45:00] <puckipedia> I have 3 choices: "UEFI only", "UEFI + Legacy", "Legacy only"
[17:45:02] <Duggan> which is why I need to start learning more about UEFI... somebody's gotta do it... I know tqh has a ticket assigned to him for it... but I've never been one to wait... yet another opportunity to learn :)
[17:45:25] <puckipedia> actually, it's a GSoC project maybe
[17:45:29] <Duggan> I have: legacy enabled, legacy disabled
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[17:45:56] <narendraj9> puckipedia, thanks :-)
[17:46:06] <Duggan> well, I'm not so much concerned with how it gets done or who does it as long as it gets done
[17:46:08] <puckipedia> Then it's probably "CSM enabled" and UEFI is always on
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[17:46:33] <Duggan> I don't believe I've come across that option
[17:47:10] <puckipedia> CSM is the UEFI-term for legacy mode
[17:47:14] <puckipedia> Compatibility Support Module
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[17:48:00] <Duggan> ah... my options state specifically "legacy mode"
[17:48:06] <Duggan> and it's only enabled or disabled
[17:50:50] <Duggan> yep, no reference to any "CSM" stuff
[17:51:28] <puckipedia> Which vendor?
[17:52:20] <Duggan> HP... UEFI ("BIOS") by Insyde
[17:53:05] <puckipedia> Well, mine is pretty ok compared to others
[17:53:35] <puckipedia> It keeps the settings, the bootloader paths aren't set to default on reboot
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[18:23:18] <tqh> Dunno if HP has improved their UEFI support, but mine at work, can't save UEFI variables and only boot an efi app with a specific name. Don't buy HP.
[18:23:25] <puckipedia> Precisely
[18:23:46] <puckipedia> My UEFI only has one problem: If the variables get too full, it bricks itself (samsung)
[18:24:18] <puckipedia> Luckily linux has built in a failsafe, it won't fill it more than a specific amount
[18:24:20] <mmu_man> tqh: send them a patch. Oh, wait :D
[18:24:28] <puckipedia> THEY DON'T CARE
[18:24:32] <puckipedia> that's the problem
[18:24:55] <puckipedia> Microsoft should have some kind of requirement which requires a fully functional (no weird stuff like that) UEFI
[18:24:56] <mmu_man> looks quite like ACPI in the begining, tables were completely broken but that was enough to boot windows
[18:25:02] <mmu_man> puckipedia: sue them :D
[18:25:24] <waddlesplash> puckipedia: mmu_man: tqh: any reccomendations for a good mfger then?
[18:25:27] <mmu_man> defective product
[18:25:27] <puckipedia> mfger?
[18:25:33] <waddlesplash> manufacturer
[18:25:47] <puckipedia> Well, my Samsung laptop has a pretty OK UEFI, hasn't broken so far
[18:26:07] <waddlesplash> I've used a Lenovo laptop, but haven't tried installing any non-win OSes yet
[18:26:08] <puckipedia> It can easily disable SecureBoot and you can choose between CSM, UEFI only or both at the same time
[18:26:08] <tqh> mfger?
[18:26:14] <waddlesplash> tqh: manufacturer
[18:26:21] <tqh> Ah.
[18:26:41] <puckipedia> The only thing is, booting is (always) slower in CSM or hybrid, and it doesn't use the native resolution
[18:26:47] <tqh> I use a Asus Zenbook nowadays. It's nice but doesn't support native res in UEFI.
[18:27:37] <puckipedia> Sadly, I think I found the least implementation of UEFI
[18:27:47] <puckipedia> It's on the Surface Pro, and only has about 4 choices
[18:28:09] <tqh> pinapple, apple, orange, and coconut?
[18:28:30] <waddlesplash> tqh: well, I avoid ASUS at all costs after getting a Nexus 7
[18:28:38] <ASmith42> Isn't that the levels of Pacman?
[18:28:40] <waddlesplash> that now has a row of dead pixels after 1 year
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[18:28:56] <puckipedia> The settings are: "Trusted Platform Module", "Secure Boot Control", "Delete All Secure Boot Keys", "Install Default Secure Boot Keys"
[18:29:03] <waddlesplash> and can't upgrade to 4.4 because of "error" :/
[18:29:22] <puckipedia> Also, no boot menu: volume down equals to boot from tghe (only) usb port, and volume up is bios setup
[18:29:49] <waddlesplash> puckipedia: well, I never wanted a Surface RT anyway :P
[18:29:57] <puckipedia> Surface Pro
[18:29:58] <puckipedia> not RT
[18:29:59] <tqh> waddlesplash, my nexus works fine. And my zenbook is the best laptop I had except perhaps for the oversensitive trackpad.
[18:30:07] <puckipedia> Else there would be one choice
[18:30:32] <waddlesplash> tqh: which model, and how long have you had it? bc ASUS only makes the 7" tablet, the 10" is by Samsung and the phones are by LG
[18:30:36] <tqh> ASmith42, dunno, just picked four random fruits.
[18:30:38] <puckipedia> I just disabled Secure Boot, now I only have 2 choices
[18:30:40] <waddlesplash> I have nothing against LG or Samsung
[18:31:12] <ASmith42> tqh, I figured.  I was just messing with you.
[18:31:18] <tqh> waddlesplash, 7, second gen.
[18:31:41] <puckipedia> Well, at least putting a mouse in the USB port allows me to move the cursor without using the keyboard
[18:32:07] <tqh> ASmith42, sounds like nice release names imo :)
[18:32:45] <tqh> I suspect the new Samsung laptops may be nice.
[18:32:50] <puckipedia> Yep
[18:32:54] <puckipedia> source: I have a samsung laptop
[18:32:57] <waddlesplash> tqh: ok, so you've only had it for 10months or so?
[18:33:10] <waddlesplash> wait until you've had it for 16-18.
[18:33:16] <tqh> waddlesplash, less than that.
[18:33:18] <tqh> waddlesplash, ah
[18:33:33] <waddlesplash> mine got the dead pixels at around 14 or so....
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[18:54:39] <scanty> how the heck do i install libxml
[18:54:48] <scanty> i tried with haikuports buti have no libxml/parser.h
[18:54:50] <waddlesplash> scanty: what version you on?
[18:55:07] <scanty> oh haiku?
[18:55:09] <waddlesplash> and do you want it for GCC2 or GCC4?
[18:55:10] <scanty> of*
[18:55:12] <scanty> gcc4
[18:55:31] <waddlesplash> scanty: hrev and build config, plz -- both can be found in "About Haiku"
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[18:55:49] <waddlesplash> "Walter (Revision your_rev_Here)"
[18:55:54] <scanty> 47094 x86
[18:55:58] <waddlesplash> and under that is your build config
[18:56:02] <waddlesplash> ah, ok
[18:56:32] <waddlesplash> scanty: open terminal and type "pkgman install libxml2_devel"
[18:56:42] <waddlesplash> it'll install libxml2 if it's not installed as well
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[18:58:37] <waddlesplash> what does "hey" do?
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[18:58:44] <waddlesplash> I probably should know, but I can't remember
[18:59:05] <waddlesplash> oh, it queries windows?
[18:59:53] <scanty> did that pkgman install libxml2_devel
[19:00:01] <scanty> and it still can't find libxml/parser.h
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[19:01:10] <waddlesplash> scanty: check /system/develop/headers and see if it'
[19:01:13] <waddlesplash> s there or not
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[19:02:48] <waddlesplash> scanty: looks like it's installed to libxml2/parser.h
[19:02:58] <waddlesplash> no wait
[19:03:03] <waddlesplash> libxml2/libxml/parser.h
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[19:04:30] <scanty_>  /boot/system/develop/headers/libxml2/libxml/parser.h:15:31: fatal error: libxml/xmlversion.h: No such file or directory
[19:04:31] <scanty_>   #include <libxml/xmlversion.h>
[19:05:09] <waddlesplash> scanty_: you need to add /boot/system/develop/headers/libxml2 to your INCLUDEPATH in your makefile
[19:05:17] <scanty_> ah
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[19:09:46] <Duggan> hey tqh, what's the word with UEFI support? anything I can do to help?
[19:11:05] <scanty_> cool it's compiling again
[19:11:06] <scanty_> thanks
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[19:12:49] <Duggan> PulkoMandy, luroh, the anyboot gets me further, it starts to boot then it KDLs complaining it can't find a boot partition...
[19:14:39] <luroh> hm.  i wonder if it'd help if you disabled the internal drive
[19:15:17] <Duggan> that won't help if I'm trying to get to where I can boot from it... maybe just for initial setup though...
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[19:15:36] <luroh> maybe something goes wrong when bios hands over control to the kernel
[19:16:22] <Duggan> is there some sort of way to explicitly set the boot device?
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[19:16:49] <luroh> not that i can think of
[19:18:01] <Duggan> hrm...
[19:18:31] <Duggan> well I can't do much else until there's UEFI support I suppose
[19:20:03] <Duggan> so I'll start looking into that
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[19:23:18] <waddlesplash> Duggan: you know where tqh's branch is, right?
[19:24:03] <puckipedia> github.com/tqh/haiku
[19:24:14] <waddlesplash> yep
[19:24:56] <waddlesplash> ooh, Blinkenlights Tetris
[19:24:57] <waddlesplash> very nice
[19:25:16] <puckipedia> which?
[19:25:46] <waddlesplash> but when I saw "skyscraper tetris", this is what I thought of: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhwGEa7507g
[19:25:54] <Duggan> well the one machine I have Haiku running on doesn't exactly have networking right now...
[19:26:13] <waddlesplash> puckipedia: just google "skyscraper tetris"
[19:26:49] <puckipedia> ok
[19:27:12] <puckipedia> not one that runs on the BeBox blinkenlights
[19:28:25] <Duggan> is there a prebuilt version floating around somewhere?
[19:28:42] <Duggan> meh I guess that wouldn't do me any good if it doesn't work yet...
[19:28:43] <puckipedia> Well, it doesn't really work
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[19:30:04] <Duggan> I've got an ancient version of the main trunk, but that's about all I've got to work with... maybe if I can find one of my crossover cables I might be able to set up network sharing in some way that I can get internet access on that machine
[19:32:33] <Duggan> my situation being I only have access to wireless networks and I don't really have access to the routers for those networks and wireless isn't working on that machine
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[19:33:30] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: if you run an old haiku (from before PM and/or scheduler changes) you can't build a new version from that, I think
[19:34:29] <Duggan> PulkoMandy, well I think I'll at least throw the new version I do have on one of my other partitions on that machine... wireless might be fixed in it but it isn't by default
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[19:36:02] <Duggan> ... and chances are, it'll be a PITA to get it working if it's even possible...
[19:36:25] <Duggan> broadcom ftl
[19:36:46] <puckipedia> we have a install-firmware tool
[19:36:58] <puckipedia> https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/workshop-wlan.html#tips
[19:37:00] <scanty> well my emulator works
[19:37:02] <scanty> :-)
[19:37:08] <scanty> just a small problem with keyboard input
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[19:37:24] <scanty> directional arrows do not work
[19:37:33] <scanty> perhaps they changed the keymap or something
[19:39:28] <waddlesplash> scanty: what emulator?
[19:39:32] <Duggan> puckipedia, thanks, I'll give it a shot
[19:39:40] <waddlesplash> scanty: also, keymap is in Preferences > Keymap
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[19:39:47] <waddlesplash> try a different one if it looks wrong
[19:39:59] <puckipedia> His own NES emulator iirc
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[19:40:31] <scanty> pretendo
[19:40:34] <scanty> my own emulator
[19:40:38] <scanty> 100% haiku native
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[19:40:41] <scanty> no SDL or anything
[19:41:00] <scanty> i meant keycodes, not keymap i think
[19:41:03] <waddlesplash> oh, so it's not any of these? https://www.google.com/search?q=pretendo+nes&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb
[19:41:23] <scanty> https://code.google.com/p/pretendo/
[19:41:42] <waddlesplash> ah, k
[19:42:20] <waddlesplash> scanty: are you new-ish here? I haven't been here for a few weeks, so forgive me if you're a regular
[19:42:31] <scanty> i'm and oldbie.
[19:42:35] <scanty> been using beos since r4
[19:42:47] <scanty> i used to hang out on beshare a lot
[19:43:03] <PulkoMandy> scanty: mh... I don't think we changed the keycodes
[19:43:07] <waddlesplash> scanty: I've heard of you, yes, but have you been hanging here, in #haiku?
[19:43:09] <puckipedia> nope
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[19:43:23] <Duggan> hehe
[19:43:25] <puckipedia> Haven't changed, else Pe and such wouldn't work
[19:43:26] <scanty> waddlesplash, yeah
[19:43:34] <scanty> I have problems with Pe actually
[19:43:35] <waddlesplash> ah, k
[19:43:42] <scanty> I can't navigate iwth the arrow keys properly
[19:43:43] <waddlesplash> scanty: hm, your keymap is messed up then
[19:43:49] <waddlesplash> what's your real keyboard map?
[19:44:23] <puckipedia> Yay! Exactly a week to go until I'm in SFO
[19:44:40] <waddlesplash> puckipedia: good luck! :)
[19:44:50] <puckipedia> For GCi of course
[19:44:54] <scanty> regular US keymap
[19:45:01] <scanty> the "right" arrow key does not respond
[19:45:18] <waddlesplash> scanty: ok, open Keymap and change from "US-International" to "US"
[19:45:23] <waddlesplash> that fixes a lot of stuffs
[19:45:50] <Duggan> wait wait wait... what?....
[19:46:00] <scanty> did that
[19:46:05] <scanty> looks like a problem with my host OS
[19:46:13] <scanty> since it's not working there either!
[19:46:36] <Duggan> I just overwrote one of my old installs then booted to it... it says r47098 which is current... but it's still using my custom window code.... EPIC!
[19:46:42] <Duggan> best of both worlds ;)
[19:46:48] <waddlesplash> Duggan: well, that's an accident
[19:47:01] <waddlesplash> bc of package management, everything changed (mostly)
[19:47:08] <waddlesplash> so you're really, really, reaally lucky
[19:47:15] <Duggan> hehe
[19:47:16] <waddlesplash> scanty: are you using VBox or QEMU?
[19:47:21] <scanty> vbox
[19:47:48] <tqh> Duggan, it's currently on hold. But probably not for long.
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[19:48:10] <Duggan> waddlesplash, drawing the window border the same as the title bar looks awesome, plus being able to fully customize the colors... PulkoMandy, did that ever make it into trunk? or did they still go the "theming" route?
[19:48:42] <puckipedia> Well, there's a decorator which is iirc hardcoded to the default one
[19:48:50] <Duggan> tqh, anything I can do to help or is it preferred to wait for GSOC?
[19:48:51] <puckipedia> it draws the borders
[19:49:18] <scanty> i'll try rebooting
[19:49:37] <Duggan> seems theres other things to work on regarding it, plus I might not even get it done in time... but I can try ;)
[19:49:41] <Duggan> as long as I'm not stepping on any toes
[19:50:10] <waddlesplash> scanty: hm, VBox on Windows works fine for me
[19:50:28] <Duggan> puckipedia, it's a bit fuzzy, not sure if I modified the decorator after the fact or just the window drawing code before the decorators came around...
[19:50:32] <waddlesplash> Duggan: I don't think so
[19:50:44] <scanty> i'll try rebooting
[19:50:52] <scanty> something is up with my host os
[19:50:56] * Duggan forgot entirely about decorators until it was mentioned
[19:51:00] <tqh> Duggan, finish it :) But I'd wait until we know how GSoC goes.
[19:51:00] <scanty> since the key doesn't work there either
[19:51:29] <Duggan> tqh, I've a lot to learn, but I'm not known for being dainty about picking what to work on :P
[19:51:38] <waddlesplash> Duggan: jscipione was working on them a while back
[19:51:43] <waddlesplash> he managed to get them uncrashy
[19:51:51] <waddlesplash> but they still are glitchy AFAIK
[19:53:21] <Duggan> PulkoMandy, did you do more work on the intel gfx driver?
[19:54:33] <scanty> hmm
[19:54:34] <waddlesplash> Duggan: yes, they did
[19:54:36] <tqh> Duggan, the parts that left is not so much UEFI specifics, but rather setting up cpu, mmu, irqs and such.
[19:54:47] <scanty> probably shouldn't have spilled that coffee yesterday
[19:54:52] <scanty> right key is dead
[19:54:53] <waddlesplash> Duggan: it correctly sets modes and works OK iirc
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[19:55:11] <puckipedia> scanty, well, it's a hardware problem
[19:55:14] <puckipedia> lol
[19:55:40] <scanty> yeah
[19:55:51] <Duggan> tqh, OH GOD PLEASE NO! NOT MORE CPUID WORK!!!
[19:56:13] <Duggan> that's why I never finished the scheduler work... never got it to work right on both AMD and Intel chips
[19:56:36] <waddlesplash> Duggan: well, pdziepak managed to get it to work
[19:56:41] <waddlesplash> he practically rewrote the scheduler
[19:56:54] <waddlesplash> altho, he only added Intel states
[19:56:56] <waddlesplash> not AMD ones
[19:57:01] <puckipedia> Well, you only need to read the cpuid
[19:57:09] <puckipedia> Getting VT-x to work requires me to write a cpuid
[19:58:42] <tqh> Duggan, I don't think that will be needed. More fill in the stubbed functions, debug and learn what needs to be done in init after UEFI hands over.
[19:59:30] <Duggan> waddlesplash, well that was what I was doing
[20:00:21] <Duggan> tqh, fair enough, I'll take a look if I can get networking up
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[20:01:45] <puckipedia> Duggan, if you have a wireless card which requires special firmware in linux, there's a tool for that iirc
[20:02:21] <tqh> Duggan, I recommend you to wait until we know more about GSoC.
[20:02:43] <scanty> '
[20:02:47] <scanty> oops
[20:02:48] <puckipedia> '
[20:03:05] <scanty> yeah going to need a new keyboard
[20:04:27] <scanty> note to self, don't spill things on keyboard.
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[20:04:51] <Duggan> puckipedia, didn't the link you sent resolve that?
[20:05:39] <puckipedia> yep
[20:08:56] <Duggan> getting better all the time... apparently the new install also mounts itself as read only...
[20:09:03] <puckipedia> yep
[20:09:10] <puckipedia> pm ros a lot of folders
[20:09:24] <puckipedia> Package Management, Read Only
[20:09:35] <Duggan> how do you get around that?
[20:09:51] <Duggan> oh... chmod I guess..
[20:09:54] <Duggan> derp
[20:10:05] <puckipedia> no
[20:10:21] <puckipedia> Folders /system and ~/config are read-only
[20:10:27] <puckipedia> that is forced, you can't change that
[20:10:38] <puckipedia> The idea is, you copy haiku packages (hpkg) into the packages folder into that
[20:10:54] <puckipedia> It 'mounts' them and it looks like those files exist in their corresponding folder
[20:11:05] <Duggan> or not...
[20:11:14] <puckipedia> at least, I think you mean that?
[20:11:49] <Duggan> eh... well the instructions you provided said to copy stuff to certain directories... and /system is part of that... I'll just reboot into my other install and do it from there
[20:11:54] <puckipedia> ehm
[20:12:19] <puckipedia> copy them to non-packaged/data iirc
[20:12:25] <PulkoMandy> you won't see system contents when not booted anyway
[20:12:35] <PulkoMandy> it's in packages, and stays in packages
[20:12:45] <PulkoMandy> so yes, use non-packaged for custom stuff
[20:12:48] <Duggan> is the script aware of all this?
[20:12:55] <puckipedia> install-wifi-firmwares.sh
[20:13:03] <Duggan> yes
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[20:13:46] <puckipedia> I can't tell tbh
[20:18:13] <louisdem> Hello :)
[20:18:35] <Duggan> greetings
[20:18:55] <Duggan> yep... the script failed epically
[20:20:14] <louisdem> For the guys who write documentation, I would to suggest adding a warning about mounting file-systems for which there isn't full support
[20:20:40] <louisdem> Meaning, you should mount them read-only, otherwise data can be corrupted
[20:21:48] <louisdem> greetings, Duggan :)
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[20:25:30] <Anarchos> what is the equivalent of linux «sk_buff->data» in haiku <
[20:25:39] <Anarchos> «net_buffer» ?
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[21:06:39] <Duggan> wonderful :/ seems the script's concept of installing the driver is to copy the output of the cutter to a temp directory...
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[21:13:13] <Premislaus> hello
[21:13:18] <Duggan> greetings
[21:13:57] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: the licence for most of those firmwares don't allow us to modify them
[21:14:29] <PulkoMandy> so the only way is to have the script download them from the original location and put them in the right place
[21:15:21] <Duggan> I followed the script through the cutting process, I'm lost when it comes to installation though
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[21:15:41] <Duggan> building the path manually is just some really long path in a temp directory
[21:16:17] <jessicah> need to get an all intel system :p
[21:16:51] <Anarchos> jessicah hi jessicah !
[21:16:53] <Duggan> my other laptop may very well be, but it uses UEFI which is why I can't use it... thanks intel
[21:18:38] <jessicah> intel uefi is normally very good
[21:18:40] <Not-001> [haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 7 commits to master [+7/-0/±2] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/commits/
[21:18:43] <Not-001> [haikuports] Adrien Destugues 557903a - Add recipe for cream. It builds, but needs a vim with clientserver support, which we don't have yet.
[21:18:45] <jessicah> i have intel uefi on my mini-itx
[21:18:46] <Not-001> [haikuports] Adrien Destugues c3d0809 - Add recipe for libclaw.
[21:18:49] <Not-001> [haikuports] Adrien Destugues 13954bc - SDL2_mixer: fix missing provides.
[21:18:50] <jessicah> boots haiku without issue
[21:18:52] <Not-001> [haikuports] Adrien Destugues dcb8015 - Add recipe for CMake 3.0.0-rc3. * Reuses the patch from rc1, and still seems to work.
[21:18:55] <Not-001> [haikuports] Adrien Destugues fd4fad5 - Add patch for htmltidy I forgot to commit.
[21:18:58] <jessicah> maybe you need a firmware update??
[21:18:58] <Not-001> [haikuports] Adrien Destugues 0833716 - LZO: add mising awk require.
[21:19:01] <Not-001> [haikuports] Adrien Destugues 2db3e0e - Add recipe for Plee the Bear. Not working yet, fails at runtime with: Could not resolve symbol '_Unwind_GetRegionStart'
[21:20:00] * DaaT pokes jessicah
[21:20:18] * jessicah cuts off DaaT's finger
[21:20:55] * DaaT wasn't using his finger
[21:21:07] <jessicah> :p
[21:21:11] <DaaT> :D
[21:21:16] <Duggan> lol
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[21:21:32] <jessicah> used your old man cane instead, huh?
[21:21:50] <DaaT> indeed
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[21:26:16] <Anarchos> jessicah hi :)
[21:26:36] <jessicah> hi Anarchos :)
[21:26:50] <Anarchos> how are you ?
[21:26:55] <jessicah> good :)
[21:26:57] <jessicah> you?
[21:27:43] <Anarchos> jessicah good too, but too much long to port a wifi driver :)
[21:27:53] <Premislaus> http://www.godotengine.org - this is very nice engine for games, mit license, i'm playing with it on windows. Nicu ui, scripting language similar to python, gles2, support for many platforms - win, mac, lin, android, ios, hmtl5
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[21:43:33] <i336_> hi everyone... I figure this is probably the most topical place to ask this: I'm trying to find the original BeOS icons so I can use them in a 99%-internal project. I've tried Haiku-based iconsets but I prefer the more pixel-art-y BeOS style :P
[21:43:52] <i336_> that said, I can't find anything resembling the originals _anywhere_...! O.o
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[21:44:32] <i336_> well, okay, it won't be "internal" as such; it's a tiny web app that'll run off my computer, but my PC isn't always on :P
[21:45:33] <Anarchos> i336_ get a beos original CD ?
[21:45:38] <i336_> hm
[21:45:49] * i336_ wonders what format the icons are in
[21:45:52] <i336_> HVIF?
[21:46:10] * i336_ also wonders how easy it would be to convert them to PNG using linux, if that's the case
[21:46:19] <Anarchos> i336_ teh original ones are bitmaps.
[21:46:29] <i336_> o.o nice
[21:46:44] <puckipedia> And Haiku uses hvifs
[21:46:56] <i336_> ah, I see
[21:48:06] <puckipedia> The best way to dump those are to download BeOS 5 PE (linux is best iirc) and use something like BResource
[21:48:27] <puckipedia> At least, how I would do it
[21:48:39] <i336_> oh
[21:48:41] <i336_> ok
[21:48:44] <puckipedia> PE is personal edition
[21:49:36] <i336_> sigh, *that* is *annoying*... I was pretty sure I had a copy of the BeOS CD on here
[21:49:53] * i336_ doesn't want to download it... stupid nano-thimble-sized monthly bandwidth allowances :P
[21:49:57] <i336_> (at the start of the month, too...)
[21:50:18] <PulkoMandy> the cd can be downloaded on bebits.com
[21:50:19] <puckipedia> ah
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[21:50:44] <i336_> also, you say they were bitmaps... what size(s) are they?
[21:50:52] <PulkoMandy> 16x16 and 32x32
[21:50:56] <i336_> oh, nice
[21:51:05] <PulkoMandy> also, not sure what the license was
[21:51:19] <Anarchos> i336_ i am not sure if ACCESS still allow us to use their icons...
[21:51:30] <puckipedia> at least, it is for a personal project
[21:51:32] <i336_> wait, ACCESS...oh, right... the palm buyout
[21:51:38] <i336_> wow, I forgot about that bit :P
[21:52:08] <i336_> that reminds me, I'm also looking for the garnet VM compatibility kit, if anyone has any idea where I might find that :P
[21:52:17] <i336_> (very very /very/ interested in find that)
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[21:52:27] <PulkoMandy> yes, Access probably has the rights on the icons right now
[21:52:40] <i336_> (for those who don't know: linux/x86-native Palm OS 5 simulator. awesomeness.)
[21:52:44] <puckipedia> ah
[21:52:54] <puckipedia> I actually still have an old Palm
[21:52:56] <i336_> all the OS 5 sims out there are for win32 >.>
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[21:52:58] <i336_> oh, cool
[21:53:05] <puckipedia> B&W screen
[21:53:09] <i336_> :>
[21:53:10] <puckipedia> pretty old
[21:53:19] <puckipedia> Can't find the charger (or any fitting) sadly enough
[21:53:25] <i336_> D:!
[21:53:35] <puckipedia> it uses 5 or 6 volt iirc
[21:53:40] <i336_> (I actually managed to ask ACCESS' server "nicely" for the garnet VM simulator... and it worked! but it's just the simulator :( there's no way to get apps into it)
[21:53:46] <i336_> depends on the model
[21:53:50] <puckipedia> ah
[21:53:54] <i336_> (iirc)
[21:54:10] <i336_> but the *real* fun bit is getting the right adaptor, since there were like 3-4 different versions iirc
[21:54:23] <puckipedia> one sec
[21:54:26] <puckipedia> i'll check it
[21:54:26] <i336_> s/versions/& of the base [hoysync] connector/
[21:55:20] <i336_> s/y/t/
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[21:57:21] <i336_> argh, I thought as much... I *did* have the ISO on here, I moved it to my USB HDD my computer doesn't like reading
[21:57:29] <i336_> (pushed it over the network to another box)
[21:57:35] <i336_> s/to/via/
[21:58:02] <i336_> hrm, well, that's where the icons are, so I'll go fishing in the ISO over the network later perhaps :P
[21:58:13] * i336_ wonders what palm model puckipedia has
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[22:02:38] <Premislaus> puckipedia: what is your samsung?
[22:03:00] * i336_ finds it half believable that puckipedia is still locating his palm
[22:03:08] <Premislaus> puckipedia: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/9941
[22:06:27] <i336_> wow, fascinating
[22:06:51] <i336_> it's like... intel can stop worrying now. MS-DOS 3.3 will NEVER boot on your modern x86 box.
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[22:07:09] <puckipedia> well
[22:07:11] <puckipedia> Didn't find it
[22:07:15] <i336_> :<
[22:07:19] <puckipedia> I did find the driver disc
[22:07:22] <i336_> haha
[22:07:22] <puckipedia> it's a Palm Zire
[22:07:28] <i336_> oh, right, one of those
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[22:08:17] <PulkoMandy> I had a Zire 21 and a Palm IIIx. But they are both dead now :(
[22:08:41] <i336_> !! D:
[22:08:41] <epigraph> i336_: Error: "!" is not a valid command.
[22:08:46] * i336_ inquires what happened to them
[22:09:03] <PulkoMandy> the IIIx had leaked batteries
[22:09:05] <gordonjcp> PulkoMandy: want some Palm hardware?
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[22:09:19] <PulkoMandy> the Zire 21, I don't know. It just stopped working IIRC
[22:09:31] <i336_> huh.
[22:09:34] <puckipedia> Premislaus, didn't happen for me
[22:09:37] <puckipedia> Still typing on it
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[22:09:38] <i336_> gordonjcp: I could =P
[22:09:48] <PulkoMandy> gordonjcp: probably someone else has a better use for it now
[22:09:55] <gordonjcp> i336_: where are you?
[22:10:01] <i336_> gordonjcp: .au :S
[22:10:16] <gordonjcp> damn, a mate of mine has just headed back out there
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[22:10:22] <gordonjcp> if I'd known last week...
[22:10:25] <i336_> puckipedia: for reference, I found this reasonably decent-looking charge cable for $5.50 + $0 shipping: http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-Sync-Charge-Cable-for-Palm-Tungsten-TX-PDA-/270657649883?pt=Camera_Cables_Cords&hash=item3f0473fcdb
[22:10:26] <PulkoMandy> I have a Kindle, which reminds me of the Palms with monochrome screen. But it's bigger and Amazon stopped distributing the 3rd party apps for it :(
[22:10:30] <i336_> gordonjcp: ha :P that's okay.
[22:10:42] <puckipedia> actually
[22:10:52] <puckipedia> it has a usb port + barrel jack
[22:10:52] <puckipedia> iirc
[22:10:55] <i336_> PulkoMandy: o.o no more 3rd party... wow.
[22:11:22] <i336_> puckipedia: oh, ok. I saw some weird looking cables while poking around ebay... :P
[22:11:24] <PulkoMandy> i336_: well, looking at the crappy games they have on Amazon, that was expected
[22:11:31] <i336_> lol
[22:11:43] <puckipedia> omg
[22:11:45] <i336_> oh, I thought you meant "disabled the android store"
[22:11:49] <puckipedia> The Zire has a m68k
[22:11:50] <PulkoMandy> there's still the possibility to "jailbreak" the device and install native apps
[22:11:55] <i336_> puckipedia: of course it does :P
[22:12:02] * i336_ hands you DragonRegs, go have fun
[22:12:03] <PulkoMandy> i336_: no, they just stopped distributing the SDK
[22:12:12] <puckipedia> Well, I may be able to run Mac OS on it...
[22:12:12] <i336_> PulkoMandy: ew. wow
[22:12:17] <PulkoMandy> so they left the existing games online, but apparently there won't be more
[22:12:20] <puckipedia> or genesis
[22:12:23] <PulkoMandy> puckipedia: why would you do that?
[22:12:27] <puckipedia> idk
[22:12:29] <i336_> puckipedia: sadly, not possible... an entirely different system
[22:12:29] <PulkoMandy> PalmOS is great
[22:12:45] <puckipedia> Never really played with it
[22:12:45] <PulkoMandy> I'd say run PalmOS on your Genesis or mac hardware
[22:12:49] <puckipedia> lol
[22:12:59] <i336_> PulkoMandy: THAT you CAN do :P
[22:13:04] <i336_> well
[22:13:16] <PulkoMandy> if only it was opensource... :)
[22:13:17] <i336_> Genesis I'm not sure about, but... wait, on a 68k mac? not going to happen
[22:13:23] <i336_> POSE is (the Palm OS emulator)
[22:13:37] <PulkoMandy> emulators are no fun
[22:13:38] <i336_> which was itself a fork of WinUAE at one point
[22:13:42] <i336_> true, true
[22:13:53] <puckipedia> Well, running PalmOS 4 doesn't sound like fun too
[22:14:03] <puckipedia> I'd rather have PalmOS 5
[22:14:06] * i336_ hands you a Handera 330 ROM
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[22:14:09] <i336_> THAT's *fun* :D
[22:14:16] <i336_> (really.)
[22:14:26] * i336_ hands you half a dozen OS 5 simulators too
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[22:14:32] <PulkoMandy> puckipedia: I was using Palm OS 3 and 4, I think
[22:14:41] * i336_ 's favourite is the CLIE UX50's 3D homescreen
[22:15:03] <PulkoMandy> with that utility called JackFlash to move apps to the internal flash instead of the RAM, so they wouldnt be erased when running out of battery
[22:15:05] * i336_ pets 6GB collection of ROMs, SDKs, emulators and simulators
[22:15:05] <i336_> :DD
[22:15:14] <puckipedia> :O
[22:15:29] <i336_> lol
[22:15:37] * i336_ has idesa
[22:15:40] <i336_> s/s/
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[22:17:24] <i336_> there
[22:18:01] <puckipedia> Hmm, I may take it to SFO next week
[22:18:25] <i336_> /exec -o df -hL --max-depth 0 /80gb/home/i336/www/root/palmstuff/
[22:18:27] <i336_> df: invalid option -- 'L'
[22:18:27] <i336_> Try 'df --help' for more information.
[22:18:31] <i336_> augh
[22:18:37] <i336_> not `df', `du'
[22:18:40] <i336_> /exec -o du -hL --max-depth 0 /80gb/home/i336/www/root/palmstuff/
[22:18:43] * i336_ waits
[22:18:48] * puckipedia waits
[22:19:01] <i336_> 5.1G	/80gb/home/i336/www/root/palmstuff/
[22:19:12] <puckipedia> I should really buy a home server
[22:19:28] <gordonjcp> heh
[22:19:29] <puckipedia> Provides heating and lots of space
[22:19:33] <gordonjcp> it's a slippery slope
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[22:19:54] <gordonjcp> puckipedia: I have a dual Xeon DL380 that takes the chill off
[22:20:01] <puckipedia> I have a DL380, but no rack
[22:20:08] <puckipedia> so it is horribly loud
[22:20:11] <gordonjcp> not sure if it's cheaper to run that for electricity, or just use the gas
[22:20:20] <puckipedia> Dual Xeon too, but it's the gen before VT-x
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[22:20:27] <gordonjcp> Gen 3?
[22:20:36] <puckipedia> yep
[22:20:42] <puckipedia> Got it for 24 euros
[22:21:08] <gordonjcp> I need to get more drives for mine
[22:21:14] <i336_> lol
[22:21:20] <puckipedia> I got like 4-5 empty bays
[22:21:23] <gordonjcp> I borrowed the drives and sleds to test another server
[22:22:16] <gordonjcp> then in a bit of an escalation of scope, I ended up taking it into work and installing an OSM tileserver on it
[22:22:40] * i336_ wonders what that is
[22:22:45] <gordonjcp> openstreetmap
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[22:22:47] <i336_> ohh, cool!
[22:23:02] <gordonjcp> so it's rendering map tiles for testing stuff
[22:23:05] <i336_> wait, so OSM is actually grid-based? I never knew that...
[22:23:05] <i336_> oh.
[22:23:20] <i336_> I thought OSM was awesome for a minute there, and worked like Folding@Home :P
[22:23:33] <gordonjcp> heh
[22:23:34] <i336_> (using random computers around the world that contribute time)
[22:23:44] <gordonjcp> no reason why you couldn't, I gues
[22:23:48] <gordonjcp> *guess
[22:23:49] <i336_> be a cool
[22:23:51] <i336_> idea*
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[22:24:10] <puckipedia> I really don't know where my Zire is...
[22:24:12] <gordonjcp> you're generating huge amounts of 128x128px tiles from known data
[22:24:21] <i336_> right
[22:24:23] <puckipedia> like roads, parks
[22:24:25] <gordonjcp> it's embarrassingly parallelisable
[22:24:33] <i336_> mmm
[22:24:54] <gordonjcp> cluster that shit any way you like
[22:25:16] <puckipedia> Fun fact, my DL380 says not to run the server without top on
[22:25:31] <puckipedia> but to hotplug a cpu/ram/anything, you need to open it up
[22:25:42] <i336_> my HP NetServer (ancient dual P3 box - without 2nd P3 D:) says not to run it without the CPU fan duct in place
[22:25:55] <i336_> I ignored this one day then FREAKED OUT BECAUSE THE HEATSINK WAS IMPRESSIVELY HOT
[22:26:10] * i336_ didn't get burnt thankfully, but learned a good lesson: read and believe instructions
[22:26:34] <puckipedia> "If you spill any liquid into the laptop, turn it off and go to a service center"
[22:26:44] <i336_> "Do not use iron when sleeping"
[22:26:58] <puckipedia> I spilled a bit of orange pulp in my laptop an hour ago
[22:27:05] <i336_> oh
[22:27:09] <puckipedia> I didn't go to the service center >:>
[22:27:17] <i336_> lol
[22:27:18] <PulkoMandy> depends on the laptop model
[22:27:24] <puckipedia> 22:26 here now
[22:27:30] <i336_> 06:27:30
[22:27:30] <gordonjcp> puckipedia: I guess it's the difference between running for an extended period of time, and popping the lid to swap stuff
[22:27:32] <puckipedia> PulkoMandy, it isn't too openable
[22:27:39] <PulkoMandy> don't need that
[22:27:42] <i336_> wow, I actually typed the seconds right
[22:27:44] <i336_> [06:27:30] <i336_> 06:27:30
[22:28:08] <PulkoMandy> on thinkpads there's a path for the water to get out of the keyboard below the machine, without touching electronics
[22:28:29] <PulkoMandy> (I didn't try, I bought mine used and without warranty)
[22:28:34] <i336_> o.o o.o woow
[22:28:34] <puckipedia> :P
[22:29:11] <i336_> also, if you have cats/dogs/other sources of lots of hair and this builds up under the keys, sometimes this prevents any liquids touching any electronics
[22:29:16] * i336_ has read too much TFTS.
[22:29:25] <i336_> (/r/talesfromtechsupport)
[22:29:39] * i336_ considers it a valuable addition to his education though
[22:29:57] <gordonjcp> heh
[22:30:31] <puckipedia> :S
[22:30:34] <i336_> ?
[22:30:50] <puckipedia> hair under the keys
[22:30:51] <puckipedia> :S
[22:31:06] <puckipedia> Also, I saw something really stupid: I was at a zoo in the NL
[22:31:07] <i336_> yeah, I know... thankfully something I read on TFTS
[22:31:12] <i336_> right
[22:31:14] <gordonjcp> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1.0-9/560168_10151624277338799_1173501888_n.jpg
[22:31:16] <puckipedia> They had these virtual reality "camera"s
[22:31:27] <puckipedia> lol
[22:31:38] <puckipedia> and one of them had only 52.9MB of free disk space remaining
[22:31:51] <i336_> puckipedia: lol
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[22:31:57] <puckipedia> http://imgur.com/a/29WER
[22:32:01] <i336_> gordonjcp: but are the hard disks serving lolcats too?
[22:32:06] <puckipedia> 98.7MB, sorry
[22:32:08] <gordonjcp> i336_: heh
[22:32:12] <i336_> :D
[22:32:14] <PulkoMandy> nice magnetophone
[22:32:37] <PulkoMandy> I should use mine (and soundcard) for backups :p
[22:32:46] <puckipedia> Nice 3 Dells stacked up behind everything
[22:32:48] <i336_> puckipedia: kudos for finding ubuntu inside a pair of binoculars :D
[22:32:54] <puckipedia> lol
[22:33:02] <gordonjcp> https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/61948_10151358251713799_2058733252_n.jpg <- my old cat, the late Estelle
[22:33:17] <puckipedia> Seeing that floppy drive reminds me
[22:33:26] <i336_> aww, cute
[22:33:36] <gordonjcp> the floppy drive is for making disks for the Mirage
[22:33:38] <puckipedia> I still have two 5.25 inch floppy drives
[22:33:45] * i336_ is getting better at figuring out the twiddle-able parts of domains
[22:33:47] <puckipedia> I should really hook it up and try to read that floppy
[22:33:53] <puckipedia> AD domains?
[22:34:00] * i336_ wanted to request that image via HTTP, so removed the "s" in "scontent" (and the HTTPS)
[22:34:01] <i336_> it worked :P
[22:34:05] <puckipedia> ah
[22:34:17] <i336_> wow, I didn't notice the disk in that drive
[22:34:17] <i336_> lol
[22:34:31] <i336_> I have a 5.25 too, but it seems to kill anything placed inside D:
[22:34:34] <puckipedia> D:
[22:34:42] <puckipedia> I've got a 360kb and a 720kb one
[22:34:45] <i336_> o.o nice
[22:34:56] <puckipedia> And one educational floppy I got from school
[22:34:58] <gordonjcp> https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/532260_10151350755108799_1769106275_n.jpg <- Estelle preferred the S50
[22:34:58] <i336_> wait, wait. what PCs are they inside?
[22:35:07] <puckipedia> not one atm
[22:35:09] <PulkoMandy> I moved to the HxC floppy emulator
[22:35:09] <PulkoMandy> avoids some problems
[22:35:13] <i336_> mm
[22:35:31] * i336_ wonders if anyone has any "fairly similar to an IBM 5150" hardware lying around
[22:35:37] <i336_> ie, "would boot DOS 2.x"
[22:35:46] <puckipedia> The BIOS of all computers I tried didn't want to use a 4.25 inch floppy
[22:35:53] <puckipedia> i336_, wouldn't all PCs boot DOS?
[22:36:01] <gordonjcp> ^ clearly a house cat
[22:36:06] <gordonjcp> you can tell by the 909 kick
[22:36:08] <mmu_man> OMG they are LATE: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTY1NjI
[22:36:25] <i336_> puckipedia: I'm not 100% sure... I tried to boot DOS 3.3 on a Celeron w/ a 1.44MB floppy drive... it refused to cooperate
[22:36:30] <gordonjcp> mmu_man: awww, isn't that cute?
[22:37:12] <puckipedia> Anyways, having better QR code support would be nice
[22:37:19] <puckipedia> Embedding stack trace and such in a url
[22:37:35] <i336_> and that reminds me... I think my server lets me have a 180KB, 360MB, 720KB, 1.44MB, or 2.88MB floppy disk size
[22:37:38] <i336_> :DDD
[22:37:44] <i336_> who needs ZIP disks?!
[22:37:51] <puckipedia> weait
[22:37:55] <puckipedia> I didn't try that :S
[22:38:20] * i336_ waits for someone to closely read the sizes above ^ .
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[22:39:27] <i336_> that QR thing is pretty cool
[22:39:56] <puckipedia> 360mb :P
[22:40:12] <i336_> :D
[22:40:24] <puckipedia> Also, that is a pretty high density
[22:40:28] * i336_ should take a photo
[22:40:32] <i336_> (probably not the first)
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[22:40:46] <puckipedia> and post it to /r/softwaregore :P
[22:40:52] <i336_> haha
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[22:42:14] <i336_> well, this morning has been awesome
[22:42:34] <i336_> daylight savings has just flipped in .au, so all the clocks were supposed to be put back
[22:42:56] <i336_> I learned this when I plopped down in front of the computer yesterday morning only to discover it was 4:45AM, instead of 5:45AM
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[22:43:54] <i336_> naturally I wound the clock downstairs back an hour, and I also fixed my alarm clock upstairs too
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[22:44:18] <i336_> I learned this morning that I indeed offset my alarm clock by one hour, but in the wrong direction
[22:44:33] <i336_> so, when I plopped down in front of the computer THIS morning, I discovered it was *3:45AM*.
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[22:44:39] <i336_> as I said, this morning has been awesome.
[22:44:55] <i336_> (as in, I've actually gotten a bit done, had some nice conversations on IRC, etc.)
[22:45:11] <i336_> now it's 6:44AM, and I march off to make breakfast.
[22:45:13] <i336_> :D
[22:45:19] <puckipedia> :P
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[22:49:27] <puckipedia> AAAH NETSPLIT
[22:49:30] <puckipedia> RUN FOR YOUR LIVES
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