April 5, 2014 
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April 5, 2014 [00:00:04] <luroh> good. sound should sort of work using the ich ac97 adapter, i think[00:16:15] <scanty> cool, i'll cross that bridge when I get there.[00:16:21] <scanty> trying to compile my NES emulator[00:17:06] <luroh> ah[00:17:22] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[00:27:04] *** Martini_ has quit IRC[00:28:50] *** epigraph has quit IRC[00:29:08] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[00:36:22] *** jua_ has quit IRC[00:36:45] *** NumberNoid is now known as zz_NumberNoid[00:50:18] <scanty> compiling dependencies... thisshould take a while.... i think i'm goingto have to increase the size of the boot drive.[00:50:34] <scanty> i can just swap it with the 2048MB blank one and copy everything over i think[01:04:19] <gordonjcp> scanty: Unixy OSes tend not to get precious about that sort of thing[01:04:37] <gordonjcp> scanty: turns out that Windows 7 is really not keen on being treated like that[01:04:56] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[01:27:52] *** nighty-_ has quit IRC[01:34:36] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[01:51:48] *** AndChat-534996 has joined #haiku[01:52:26] *** AndChat-534996 has quit IRC[01:52:55] *** AndChat-534996 has joined #haiku[01:53:58] <AndChat-534996> Hello[02:01:28] *** AndChat-534996 has quit IRC[02:05:50] *** mmadia has quit IRC[02:26:01] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[02:30:09] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[02:35:21] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[02:46:58] *** oco2 has quit IRC[03:13:38] *** KapiX has quit IRC[03:18:31] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[03:31:45] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[03:36:34] *** paul0 has quit IRC[03:46:39] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[03:52:14] *** _3dEyes has joined #haiku[03:59:14] *** Shurtugal has joined #haiku[04:04:07] <Shurtugal> Is there any PowerPC support for haiku?[04:07:06] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[04:09:28] <Skipp_OSX> Shurtugal: very experimental[04:11:40] *** paul0 has quit IRC[04:18:09] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[04:22:33] *** Barrett has quit IRC[04:27:54] *** beryleo has joined #haiku[04:34:48] *** paul0 has quit IRC[04:35:03] *** beryleo has quit IRC[04:39:38] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[04:44:29] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[04:47:48] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[04:50:23] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[04:55:09] *** pseudomind_ has joined #haiku[04:55:38] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[05:04:46] *** paul0 has quit IRC[05:04:59] *** _marc` has quit IRC[05:12:52] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[05:15:34] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[05:17:23] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[05:31:09] *** gsparc has quit IRC[05:39:49] *** paul0 has quit IRC[05:45:24] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[05:46:46] *** alvin_ has joined #haiku[05:48:58] *** paul0 has quit IRC[05:50:32] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[05:59:02] *** _3dEyes has quit IRC[06:18:06] <irker-974> haiku.master: nielx * hrev47095 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=e00c606+%5E6242374[06:18:07] <irker-974> e00c606: Update translations from Pootle[06:18:48] *** dnivra_ is now known as dnivra[06:18:59] *** dnivra has quit IRC[06:18:59] *** dnivra has joined #haiku[06:22:30] *** soakbot has quit IRC[06:22:45] *** soakbot has joined #haiku[06:35:12] *** bebop-haiku has left #haiku[06:45:47] *** Shurtugal has quit IRC[06:46:00] *** tgkokk has joined #haiku[06:49:12] *** Nozy has joined #haiku[06:51:13] *** tgkokk has quit IRC[06:57:06] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[06:57:27] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[06:58:54] *** paul0 has quit IRC[07:01:10] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[07:03:23] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[07:03:36] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[07:11:42] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[07:17:28] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[07:17:58] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[07:25:00] *** paul0 has quit IRC[07:25:44] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[07:28:59] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[07:32:01] *** jaime_ has quit IRC[07:32:35] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[07:32:49] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[07:34:05] *** jaime_ has joined #haiku[07:36:40] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[07:36:54] *** orealis has quit IRC[07:37:01] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[07:42:49] *** orealis has joined #haiku[07:43:08] *** paul0 has quit IRC[07:50:12] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[07:52:33] *** fhein has joined #haiku[07:53:13] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[08:11:54] *** paul0 has quit IRC[08:19:25] *** pseudomind_ has quit IRC[08:32:13] *** alpha123 has quit IRC[08:33:43] *** alpha123 has joined #haiku[08:41:10] *** stargater has joined #haiku[08:41:56] *** tqh has joined #haiku[08:42:22] *** slubman has quit IRC[08:42:36] *** slubman has joined #haiku[08:43:43] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[08:44:53] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[08:59:58] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[09:02:26] *** dnivra has quit IRC[09:05:43] *** dnivra has joined #haiku[09:06:07] *** dnivra is now known as Guest4565[09:10:04] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[09:13:15] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[09:28:48] *** stargater has quit IRC[09:30:09] <Premislaus> http://www.spiderwebsoftware.com/blades/opensource.html - Haiku port would be difficult?[09:37:51] *** arselinux has quit IRC[09:50:42] *** jjido_ has joined #haiku[09:55:22] *** danasc has joined #haiku[09:55:44] <tqh> It uses old compiler and assumptions, and lacks Haiku code. But it's probably not that complex work once you understood it. So needs some time and effort.[09:56:31] <tqh> perhaps the Linux code if it is working, would help a lot.[09:59:08] *** stargater has joined #haiku[10:01:11] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[10:02:38] *** danasc has quit IRC[10:04:31] *** tgkokk has joined #haiku[10:10:06] *** _3dEyes has joined #haiku[10:11:54] *** tgkokk has quit IRC[10:14:40] <Premislaus> thq: Hi! What is current state of EFI support?[10:16:08] <jessicah> it can print hello world last time i checked ;)[10:16:15] <tqh> It's going to be worked on during the year, either by me or others. I suspect we will have something working at the end of summer.[10:16:26] <jessicah> well, actually couldn't on my airbook[10:16:30] <jessicah> i need to look into that[10:16:39] <jessicah> nothing works proper on that forsaken thing[10:17:11] <tqh> jessicah, Actually all the bootloader code compiles and has kprintf / dprintf. There are alot of stubbed out stuff setting up irqs, mmu and such.[10:17:32] <jessicah> hmm, i haven't tested on non-mac hardware[10:17:42] <jessicah> but isn't it supposed to print hello world or some such to the console?[10:18:06] <tqh> Yes that you can do.[10:19:53] <jessicah> oh, it uses dprintf. that doesn't go to the console?[10:20:20] <tqh> I think it goes to serial. kprintf goes to screen iirc.[10:20:26] *** qptain_Nemo has quit IRC[10:20:27] <tqh> but serial works too.[10:20:42] <jessicah> ah i see![10:20:47] <jessicah> that explains the confusion[10:20:53] * jessicah goes back to the airbook to try it out[10:21:02] <tqh> anyway it is one of the GSoC proposals. Not saying more at this time. :)[10:21:43] <tqh> We don't know how many spots we get, or if we get someone working on it yet.[10:22:08] <jessicah> i've been looking out of my own personal curiosity[10:22:16] <tqh> But please check it out, play with it and learn.[10:22:16] <jessicah> and desire to boot haiku on my airbook :)[10:22:30] <jessicah> have been :)[10:22:32] <tqh> I want it on my Zenbook.[10:22:46] <jessicah> i even made a lil icon for a refind theme i found :p[10:22:49] <jessicah> looks neat[10:22:57] *** Hub has joined #haiku[10:23:20] *** Hub is now known as Guest19718[10:23:32] *** alvin_ has quit IRC[10:27:14] <jessicah> oh that's neat :D[10:27:38] <tqh> ?[10:27:47] <jessicah> printed message :)[10:28:03] <jessicah> cool that at least that much works[10:29:45] <tqh> If you know how to boot a x64 processor, it's not that much left. Picking a sane EFI environment, adding it to our build infrastructure, get it to boot to be able to print debug info is already there, and the generic boot code will already do most of the booting.[10:31:00] <tqh> I rather focus on other things than learning that again, so more interest is always welcome.[10:31:52] <jessicah> i don't know how to boot an x64 processor[10:32:15] <jessicah> x86 i've done[10:34:55] *** Vidiot_X has joined #haiku[10:35:35] <jessicah> seems you can go back to x86 mode from the os loader[10:39:01] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[10:42:34] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[10:43:34] *** Xenmen has quit IRC[10:46:02] <Sir_Designer> jessicah you want to boot in on the metal, or virtually?[10:46:58] *** Premislaus has quit IRC[10:47:11] <jessicah> on the metal[10:48:30] *** stargater has quit IRC[10:48:46] <tqh> probably not to complicated or different, just a lot of learning.[10:49:13] <tqh> You might want to check: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=264095[10:49:47] *** stargater has joined #haiku[10:51:22] <tqh> And on the minnowboard you can compile the uefi firmware yourself. That would be interesting to hack.[10:56:38] <jessicah> well, time for sleep now[10:56:41] <jessicah> goodnight :)[10:57:21] <luroh> is it just me or are there worryingly few gsoc patches in Trac this year?[10:57:40] <luroh> i count five of them[10:58:22] *** Guest4565 has quit IRC[10:58:23] <luroh> also, i think it's been unusually quiet since the deadline[10:59:26] *** dnivra has joined #haiku[10:59:52] *** dnivra is now known as Guest61448[11:01:07] <tqh> luroh, there hasn't been a lot of patches, but also there are less easy things to patch.[11:01:53] <luroh> isn't providing patches a hard requirement though?[11:03:58] <tqh> Yes or similar, we want see that they can setup the Haiku build enviroment, build Haiku and be able to get some understanding of Haiku code.[11:04:50] * luroh has a bad feeling about this year's gsoc[11:05:34] <luroh> there's probably activity in melange that i'm not aware of though[11:05:38] <tqh> I don't think you should have. We have a dialog with the students and I think it will turn out fine.[11:07:10] <luroh> are they providing any reasons for not producing any patches?[11:07:42] <luroh> in the melange discussions, i mean[11:08:57] *** DKnoto has joined #haiku[11:10:57] <tqh> I don't think I can talk about that.[11:12:14] * luroh is guessing no[11:13:09] <tqh> Let's see how many slots and students we get ;)[11:13:44] <luroh> well, actually, let's actually make sure we don't overcommit[11:13:56] <luroh> other orgs may make better use of the slots[11:15:21] <tqh> Mentoring is a lot of work, and we don't have that many willing to mentor so we're not going to overcommit. It's fun and rewarding too though.[11:16:19] <luroh> good, let's hope we don't repeat mistakes of the past[11:16:48] <tqh> mistakes will happen :)[11:17:21] <luroh> for sure[11:18:07] <luroh> with a luke warm interest in haiku among students this year, i just think we need to be extra careful[11:18:38] <luroh> otherwise we may delude ourselves like has happened in the past[11:19:12] *** Hare has joined #haiku[11:20:03] <tqh> can't really comment on that.[11:20:17] <luroh> no need to[11:20:49] * luroh is just dusting off the red warning flag[11:21:22] *** epigraph has joined #haiku[11:21:38] <tqh> We try to be thorough, and I think it will work out fine.[11:22:07] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[11:24:48] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[11:24:59] <PulkoMandy> luroh: the timeline is a bit different this year[11:25:26] <PulkoMandy> it's globally early, so students had to work on their applications while still at school and possibly having exams[11:25:42] <PulkoMandy> and, this interim period is longer than in other years, I think[11:26:18] <PulkoMandy> also, the global #gsoc channel is generally quiet, so that's not just us[11:28:48] <tqh> IIRC you need to show that you are enrolled at school before being able to apply this year, which makes applying more work for potential students.[11:31:20] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[11:41:52] *** KapiX has joined #haiku[11:50:48] *** zz_NumberNoid is now known as NumberNoid[11:51:13] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[11:52:11] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[11:52:11] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[11:56:41] *** Luko has joined #haiku[11:57:14] *** tqh has quit IRC[12:05:25] *** Luko has quit IRC[12:07:02] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[12:13:14] *** freedomrun has joined #haiku[12:17:51] *** sqeeezy has joined #haiku[12:21:09] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[12:24:31] *** KapiX has quit IRC[12:30:07] *** jjido_ has quit IRC[12:40:21] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[12:41:22] *** Colin_Finck is now known as Colin_Finck|afk[12:51:18] *** sqeeezy has quit IRC[12:53:54] *** tgkokk has joined #haiku[12:54:30] *** sqeeezy has joined #haiku[12:54:48] *** stargater has quit IRC[12:55:05] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[13:17:45] *** tgkokk has quit IRC[13:26:37] *** orealis has quit IRC[13:27:20] *** stargater has joined #haiku[13:27:20] *** orealis has joined #haiku[13:41:31] *** freedomrun has quit IRC[14:09:17] *** Vidiot_X has quit IRC[14:11:32] *** _marc` has quit IRC[14:12:05] <Begasus> ok, scummvm is going ok so far, just don't get the recipe (or configure) to pick up the freetype headers ...[14:13:36] <PulkoMandy> yes, these are a bit tricky[14:14:14] <PulkoMandy> they are in a nonstandard location and pkg-config will not return the right path...[14:14:22] <PulkoMandy> the freetype package needs to be fixed, I think[14:15:44] *** Wizard has joined #haiku[14:19:14] <Begasus> http://pastebin.com/zg82DJfW[14:19:24] <Begasus> even pkg-config isn't picked up it seems[14:20:06] <Begasus> so could be either one of the two?[14:20:44] <PulkoMandy> bin?[14:20:50] <PulkoMandy> I guess that should be lib[14:21:04] <Begasus> it's from config.log[14:21:07] <PulkoMandy> yes[14:21:12] <PulkoMandy> well, not even lib actually[14:21:25] <PulkoMandy> boot/system/develop/headers/x86/freetype2 would work[14:21:57] <Begasus> that's for freetype config file[14:22:25] <Begasus> that's found[14:22:38] <PulkoMandy> but yes, that's probably the same problem you can try forcing it with CXXFLAGS=-I/boot/system/bin/x86/include/freetype2 or something like that[14:22:45] <PulkoMandy> until we fix freetype pkg-config[14:24:14] <Begasus> checking in a bit[14:27:05] *** tgkokk has joined #haiku[14:33:02] *** _3dEyes has quit IRC[14:42:54] *** Klaus__ has joined #haiku[14:44:22] *** Klaus__ has quit IRC[14:47:01] *** orealis has quit IRC[14:47:44] *** orealis has joined #haiku[14:47:46] <Begasus> ah I see, the freetype header what it is looking for isn't in the x86 directory[14:48:48] <Begasus> yep .. missing for the x86 dev package in system ..[14:49:52] <Begasus> maybe I should replace it with the one I have here (wich includes the missing header)?[14:50:30] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[14:52:24] *** alvin_ has joined #haiku[14:54:57] *** Blub\0 is now known as Blub\w[14:58:36] <PulkoMandy> it should be in freetype_x86_devel, in system/develop/headers/x86/freetype2[14:59:04] <PulkoMandy> but that "freetype2" dir maybe shouldnt be there, or the pkg-config should be adjusted to look there[15:01:21] <Begasus> well the header ft2build.h is missing in the system package (installed my version here - after a backup of the system packages)[15:02:34] <Begasus> the other headers for x86 are stored in that folder too, no problem there (or they are not needed)[15:08:24] <PulkoMandy> actually[15:08:36] <PulkoMandy> I have a /system/develop/headers/x86/ft2build.h[15:08:57] <PulkoMandy> is that missing from the package currently in the repos?[15:11:38] <Begasus> don't know, could be that it was missing in the nightly image when I installed it?[15:12:15] <Begasus> ps, I have it here in /boot/system/develop/headers/x86/freetype2[15:13:38] <Begasus> the regular one (gcc2) is in /boot/system/develop/headers/freetype2[15:15:15] <PulkoMandy> yes, I think phoudoin changed that at some point[15:16:21] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[15:16:45] <Begasus> don't tell me I need to update my install here ;)[15:24:54] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[15:29:31] <irker-974> haiku.master: korli * hrev47096 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=1dc78b8+%5Ee00c606[15:29:31] <irker-974> 1dc78b8: x86_64: updates various packages.[15:31:17] <PulkoMandy> no, just use your working freetype package :)[15:31:24] <PulkoMandy> we'll update the one in the repos to match[15:32:55] <Begasus> will be for a later time, have to go out in a bit ;)[15:33:34] <Paradoxon> why do i get an failed to read package info from "/boot/system/packages/wifi_firmwares-1-any.hpkg": General system error? when i try haiku haikuporter clipup?[15:34:13] <puckipedia> Well, there's a General System Error[15:35:28] <Paradoxon> thats suprising ;-)[15:35:59] <puckipedia> Does the file exist?[15:38:18] <puckipedia> (ls /boot/system/packages/wifi_firmwares-1-any.hpkg)[15:38:18] <Paradoxon> Jep[15:38:24] <Paradoxon> its there :)[15:38:45] <puckipedia> what does `package info /boot/system/packages/wifi_firmwares*` say?[15:40:07] <Begasus> heading out, cu![15:40:12] *** Begasus has quit IRC[15:41:09] <Paradoxon> Error: Failed to read package file "/boot/system/packages/wifi_firmwares-1-any.hpkg": General system error[15:41:20] <puckipedia> I would guess the package is corrupt[15:41:30] <puckipedia> Do you use a wifi adapter you need to dump the firmware for?[15:41:52] <Paradoxon> not that i know..[15:41:58] <Paradoxon> shell i delete it[15:42:08] <puckipedia> Do you use wifi?[15:42:11] <Paradoxon> shure[15:42:17] <puckipedia> which adapter?[15:42:32] <PulkoMandy> before breaking your install, have you tried rebooting?[15:42:33] <Not-001> [haikuports] korli pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±4] https://bitbucket.org/haikuports/haikuports/commits/[15:42:35] <Not-001> [haikuports] korli 89725cc - libpcre: fix keyword typo.[15:42:39] <Not-001> [haikuports] korli 36d6d4d - x86_64: enable python-2.7.6 * increase revisions for scons and git as they depend on 2.6.x at the moment.[15:42:48] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[15:42:49] *** stargater has quit IRC[15:45:38] <Paradoxon> Qualcomm Atheros device 002b: AR9285[15:47:45] <Paradoxon> hm ok isnt that bad.. i will install my own build clipup..[15:47:48] <puckipedia> afaik that requires the firmware, tried rebooting?[15:48:05] <Paradoxon> i just bootet into haiku[15:48:13] <puckipedia> okay, still does the same?[15:48:17] <Paradoxon> and the first thing was to run haikuporter clipup[15:48:22] <Paradoxon> no wait...[15:48:27] <Paradoxon> will be back soon[15:48:31] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[15:50:33] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[15:50:58] <Paradoxon> still the same problem..[15:56:06] *** NumberNoid has quit IRC[16:01:11] *** NumberNoid has joined #haiku[16:01:37] *** senornathan has joined #haiku[16:07:56] *** Cenbe has quit IRC[16:09:26] *** Cenbe has joined #haiku[16:10:40] *** qptain_Nemo has joined #haiku[16:12:50] *** senornathan has quit IRC[16:13:48] *** senornathan has joined #haiku[16:16:01] *** e1z0_ is now known as e1z0[16:16:14] *** e1z0 has quit IRC[16:16:14] *** e1z0 has joined #haiku[16:22:49] *** kkux has quit IRC[16:26:42] *** Shurtugal has joined #haiku[16:31:17] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #1816 of x86_64-any-host is complete: Failure [failed [x86_64] @release-anyboot] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86_64-any-host/builds/1816 blamelist: J?r?me Duval <jerome.duval at gmail dot com>[16:35:44] *** tgkokk has quit IRC[16:36:04] *** Paradoxon_away has joined #haiku[16:36:06] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[16:36:27] <Paradoxon_away> debugging input server isnt always a good ide[16:36:31] <Paradoxon_away> *lol*[16:37:32] *** Guest61448 has quit IRC[16:38:45] *** fhein has quit IRC[16:46:52] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[16:48:06] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[16:48:29] *** epigraph has quit IRC[16:49:33] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[16:53:40] <senornathan> Oh dear. I select a screensaver I don't like, and now the Screensaver app keeps crashing.[16:55:00] <humdinger> senornathan: had that too at one time. delete the settings file and you're ok again.[16:55:43] <senornathan> Just did that. :)[16:55:52] <senornathan> Looks like it's the flurry screensaver that triggers it.[16:56:19] <humdinger> there might be a bug for that already.[16:57:59] <senornathan> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/10431[16:58:00] <senornathan> Yep.[16:58:15] <humdinger> I love the IFS saver.[16:58:33] <humdinger> It amazes me that it uses very few CPU[16:59:15] <senornathan> Icons is my personal favorite.[16:59:39] <humdinger> ...which uses much more CPU time...[16:59:54] <humdinger> I like that too, but don't use it for that reason.[17:01:11] <senornathan> Is CPU really that precious to you when the computer is idle? :P[17:01:38] <humdinger> yes. saving power.[17:01:45] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[17:02:13] <senornathan> Eh, what's a few trees in the name of vector graphics?[17:03:26] *** Paradoxon_away has quit IRC[17:03:39] <humdinger> I guess the trees would come up on top on this one: they just love my CO2. :)[17:04:38] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[17:06:30] *** humdinger_ has joined #haiku[17:08:55] *** dnivra has joined #haiku[17:09:19] *** dnivra is now known as Guest84790[17:10:35] *** humdinger has quit IRC[17:11:03] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[17:11:27] *** humdinger_ has quit IRC[17:17:01] *** senornathan has quit IRC[17:18:57] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[17:20:54] *** senornathan has joined #haiku[17:28:17] *** orealis has quit IRC[17:29:04] *** orealis has joined #haiku[17:31:48] <senornathan> Alright, Qemu still works and so does BeOS. :)[17:33:10] <puckipedia> so no april 2014 problems? Lots of OSs round that time had Y2K problems /s[17:34:07] <puckipedia> would be weird if BeOS just stopped working today, no real reason[17:35:00] <senornathan> That would sadden me, because I still actively play Corum on it.[17:35:07] <PulkoMandy> I think the next problem will be year 2038 bug[17:35:21] <PulkoMandy> let's hope Haiku R1 is released by then[17:41:27] <gordonjcp> April 2014 bug?[17:42:41] <DaaT> PulkoMandy :D[17:43:41] *** DrCode has quit IRC[17:43:42] <senornathan> BeOS doesn't play well with dates past 2010, IIRC.[17:44:21] *** DrCode has joined #haiku[17:47:49] *** senornathan has quit IRC[17:48:46] *** senornathan has joined #haiku[17:49:10] *** stargater has joined #haiku[17:53:07] *** senornathan has quit IRC[17:58:16] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[18:00:57] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[18:04:02] *** epigraph has joined #haiku[18:08:42] *** alvin_ has quit IRC[18:11:08] *** tidux has joined #haiku[18:19:14] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[18:19:39] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[18:27:33] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[18:28:38] *** Wizard has left #haiku[18:29:05] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[18:29:07] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[18:30:53] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[18:32:53] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[18:33:40] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[18:34:23] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[18:41:43] *** mmadia has quit IRC[18:44:26] *** orealis_ has joined #haiku[18:44:40] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[18:44:44] *** Yann64 has quit IRC[18:45:54] *** orealis has quit IRC[18:45:54] *** orealis_ is now known as orealis[18:49:20] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[18:51:18] <irker-974> haiku.master: nielx * hrev47097 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=e795d95+%5E1dc78b8[18:51:18] <irker-974> e795d95: Update userguide[18:53:04] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[18:53:28] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[18:58:12] *** Guest19718 has quit IRC[19:13:19] *** tqh has joined #haiku[19:16:11] *** DaaT has quit IRC[19:17:00] *** arselinux has joined #haiku[19:17:54] *** tqh has quit IRC[19:19:02] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[19:19:32] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[19:19:37] *** Colin_Finck|afk is now known as Colin_Finck[19:22:42] *** Not-001 has quit IRC[19:28:52] *** roptat has joined #haiku[19:30:01] *** rsnous is now known as osnr[19:30:25] *** osnr has quit IRC[19:30:25] *** osnr has joined #haiku[19:33:18] *** humdinger has quit IRC[19:36:06] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[19:40:05] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[19:51:14] *** tidux has left #haiku[19:52:05] *** Yann64 has joined #haiku[19:52:20] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[19:52:42] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[19:52:42] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[20:11:54] *** Paradoxon_away has joined #haiku[20:11:58] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[20:17:51] *** Shurtugal has left #haiku[20:20:38] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[20:21:32] *** idefix_xifedi has joined #haiku[20:23:55] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[20:24:01] *** scanlady has joined #haiku[20:25:34] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[20:25:52] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[20:29:48] *** poxip has joined #haiku[20:31:55] *** idefix_xifedi has left #haiku[20:36:06] *** axeld has joined #haiku[20:36:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[20:36:50] *** tgkokk has joined #haiku[20:37:43] *** Hare has quit IRC[20:38:00] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[20:39:57] *** Premislaus has joined #haiku[20:39:59] <Premislaus> hello[20:40:51] <puckipedia> hi[20:43:24] *** scanlady has quit IRC[20:50:38] *** Paradoxon_away has quit IRC[20:56:26] *** tgkokk has quit IRC[20:57:17] *** Paradoxon_away has joined #haiku[21:01:05] <Premislaus> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTY1NjI :P[21:01:20] <Premislaus> We have it for a long time.[21:01:23] <puckipedia> IT[21:01:26] <puckipedia> IT'S GIANT[21:01:52] <puckipedia> THE QR CODE WORKS[21:02:04] <Premislaus> puckipedia: https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/mmlr/2012-07-01_qr_encode_your_kdl_output[21:02:09] <puckipedia> THE LINK IS BROKEN[21:05:36] *** Paradoxon_away has quit IRC[21:05:44] *** stippi has joined #haiku[21:05:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[21:06:15] *** Paradoxon_away has joined #haiku[21:12:38] *** Paradoxon_away has quit IRC[21:15:18] *** poxip has quit IRC[21:18:30] <Premislaus> !haiku[21:18:31] <epigraph> Be wa totemo[21:18:32] <epigraph> daisuki to omoimasu yo.[21:18:33] <epigraph> Be wa suki desu ka?[21:18:34] <epigraph> - bobrost el magnifico[21:19:45] <puckipedia> I think that's Japanese?[21:19:57] <jessicah> it is[21:19:58] *** Cenbe has quit IRC[21:20:06] <jessicah> something about snow too[21:20:58] <jessicah> oops, no, that's yuki, not suki[21:21:01] <jessicah> my bad[21:21:13] <puckipedia> lol[21:21:18] *** Cenbe has joined #haiku[21:22:03] <puckipedia> !haiku[21:22:03] <epigraph> The gourmet's OS[21:22:04] <epigraph> Ripe with possibility[21:22:05] <epigraph> So much unfinished[21:22:06] <epigraph> - Scot Hacker[21:24:23] *** nightfury has joined #haiku[21:26:05] <Premislaus> kallisti5: Are you here?[21:26:09] <jessicah> roughly translates to "I love Be a lot. Do you like Be?"[21:27:48] *** stargater has quit IRC[21:28:10] <puckipedia> relevant haiku is relevant[21:28:28] <Premislaus> Recently, we have low activity (git and trac) :-(.[21:29:25] <puckipedia> Pretty normal?[21:29:33] <Premislaus> no[21:29:43] <puckipedia> It's weekend[21:30:31] <Premislaus> http://www.ohloh.net/p/haiku/commits/summary[21:31:12] <jessicah> !patchwanted Premislaus[21:31:12] <epigraph> Premislaus: Haiku is Free Software, therefore you can fix it yourself and send a patch, which would likely be very appreciated. cf. http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/SubmittingPatches[21:31:15] <jessicah> ;)[21:31:26] <puckipedia> http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/[21:31:39] *** SpawnPPC has joined #haiku[21:31:45] <SpawnPPC> Hi to all ![21:31:46] <Premislaus> I'm not a programmer. I help writing about Haiku.[21:32:03] <nightfury> Hi all, I am willing to contribute to haiku. I can spend 3-5 hours per day. I am a beginner in C++ (comfortable in OOP concepts and developed a ray tracer in C++). Are there any specific skills I need to develop? Is there a specific path to get a good understanding of haiku and start contributing to it?[21:32:24] <puckipedia> Well, depends on what part you want to contribute to[21:32:31] *** freedomrun has joined #haiku[21:32:41] <puckipedia> Best thing is to just download a Haiku nightly (haiku-files.org, choose the gcc2 hybrid) and run it in a vm[21:33:10] <jessicah> specific skill set could be grokking code ;)[21:33:19] <puckipedia> Also, we have a ports system: http://bb.haikuports.org/haikuports/wiki/Home[21:33:40] *** Paradoxon_away has joined #haiku[21:33:42] <Premislaus> jessicah: http://haiku-os.pl/ , http://osworld.pl/projekt-haiku-w-2013-roku/ , and formerly yet osnews.pl[21:33:45] <jessicah> need to read a lot to be able to write even a little in many cases :)[21:34:10] <jessicah> hi SpawnPPC[21:35:10] *** SpawnPPC has quit IRC[21:35:14] <Premislaus> I wanted to write an article about Haiku with a new scheduler, but Haiku has a very bad performance in benchmarks.[21:35:16] <Premislaus> ;/[21:35:32] <puckipedia> VM or native?[21:35:39] <Premislaus> Many bottlenecks[21:35:43] <Premislaus> bare metal :P[21:36:18] <puckipedia> Well, it is still better than the original[21:37:04] <Premislaus> http://pastebin.com/k92dATCH (by pdziepak) file copy test for debian is invalid, because are different hard disks[21:38:40] <Premislaus> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/10454 - time fors sys (ubuntu) :-([21:39:32] <nightfury> puckipedia, what parts were you referring to?[21:40:15] <puckipedia> kernel, userland, apps[21:40:20] <puckipedia> wait[21:40:22] <puckipedia> yep[21:40:57] <Premislaus> A few days ago I talked with PaweÅ‚, in theory, change the kernel from NewOS to Linux...[21:41:13] <myrkraverk> Linux is not that great a kernel.[21:41:16] <puckipedia> !patchwanted Premislaus[21:41:16] <epigraph> Premislaus: Haiku is Free Software, therefore you can fix it yourself and send a patch, which would likely be very appreciated. cf. http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/SubmittingPatches[21:42:00] <puckipedia> nightfury: Anyways, we have two quite complete docs, the api doc: http://api.haiku-os.org/ and the (original BeOS) BeBook: https://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/[21:42:10] <puckipedia> Which are meant for the applications[21:43:06] <nightfury> puckipedia, I would love to work with the metal but I think It is a bit too much for me now.[21:43:34] <Premislaus> puckipedia: in this way it does not work, users simply migrate to a better platform,[21:43:38] <puckipedia> Premislaus, it would probably be more work to port linux than to fix NewOS[21:43:45] <Premislaus> yes[21:44:02] <Premislaus> And this community will never agree[21:44:03] <nightfury> I would like to work my way towards kernel programming can you guys tell me where to get started[21:44:24] *** Hub has joined #haiku[21:44:27] <nightfury> I have already installed Haiku on vm and started going through I already tried running haiku on vmware and going through learning_to_program_with_haiku[21:44:35] <puckipedia> Well, starting with https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/building would help[21:44:38] *** Hub has quit IRC[21:44:56] <Paradoxon_away> nightfury and then maybe start with some simple drivers[21:45:03] <puckipedia> If you can build Haiku, you can change everything[21:45:11] *** Paradoxon_away is now known as Paradoxon[21:48:26] <nightfury> Thank you guys I will try doing that.[21:48:40] <Paradoxon> hmm all inputfilter dont work on my system no clipup no shortcuts[21:48:43] <Paradoxon> :([21:48:56] <puckipedia> wait? I have a clipup haikuporter recipe that works[21:48:57] <Paradoxon> is this common??[21:49:15] <puckipedia> Seriously, it worked for me[21:49:55] <Paradoxon> i know that you fixed some issues.. :)[21:50:37] *** nightfury is now known as nightfury91[21:51:05] <Paradoxon> looks like i have a really broken system :/[21:51:35] <puckipedia> Reinstall? Although, it may have something to do with your firmware blobs[21:51:51] <Paradoxon> i guess so i have to do..[21:52:20] <jessicah> what's clipup?[21:52:35] <Paradoxon> extension of the clipboard[21:52:51] <puckipedia> It's in haikuporter[21:53:47] <jessicah> what's it do?[21:54:39] <Paradoxon> it stores the history of your clipboard[21:54:40] <puckipedia> save what you copy[21:54:57] <jessicah> oh neat[21:55:00] *** tgkokk has joined #haiku[21:55:22] <Paradoxon> puckipedia i wrote a makefile wich builds all the different modules at once... still working on generating the package with the makefile[21:55:47] <puckipedia> Hmm, you could generalize the package builder, maybe make it take recipes... I know! Call it 'haikuporter'![21:56:01] <Paradoxon> :-D[21:56:09] <puckipedia> Seriously, don't reinvent the wheel[21:56:24] <Paradoxon> haikuporter didnt worked for me..[21:56:29] <Paradoxon> remember ;-)[21:56:40] <puckipedia> Well, then your OS is corrupt[21:56:50] <puckipedia> You could try removing the incorrect hpkg and reinstalling firmwares[21:57:36] <Paradoxon> hmm then i need to go to the office.. to connect via lable[21:57:43] <puckipedia> just don't reboot, might work[21:57:44] <Paradoxon> cabel not lable.[21:57:53] <puckipedia> or you could copy the files to the right place using a usb drive[21:58:08] <puckipedia> https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/workshop-wlan.html[21:58:17] <puckipedia> https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/workshop-wlan.html#tips[21:59:47] <Paradoxon> :-)[21:59:51] <Paradoxon> makes sense[22:00:00] <Paradoxon> ok but i am done for today..[22:00:08] <Paradoxon> need to go to bed[22:00:15] <Paradoxon> will try tomorrow maybe[22:00:41] <Paradoxon> thanks for your support :D[22:00:56] *** kkux has joined #haiku[22:01:42] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[22:10:09] *** stargater has joined #haiku[22:12:13] *** tgkokk has quit IRC[22:13:38] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[22:26:43] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[22:29:40] *** kkux has quit IRC[22:30:08] *** kkux has joined #haiku[22:37:31] *** axeld has quit IRC[22:38:26] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[22:43:43] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[22:50:38] *** xtabay has joined #haiku[22:53:45] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[22:55:55] *** xtabay has quit IRC[22:57:58] *** Vidiot_X has joined #haiku[22:58:20] *** tgkokk has joined #haiku[23:06:13] *** tgkokk has quit IRC[23:07:11] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[23:08:34] *** sqeeezy has quit IRC[23:19:32] *** myrkraverk has quit IRC[23:28:28] <irker-974> haiku.master: stippi * hrev47098 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=726db74+%5Ee795d95[23:28:28] <irker-974> f5ce3e3: HaikuDepot/SharedBitmap: switched to use BPositionIO...[23:28:29] <irker-974> 726db74: HaikuDepot: Implemented simple icon-cache.[23:29:37] *** stippi has quit IRC[23:30:43] *** happy-dude has joined #haiku[23:32:51] <scanty> is there a way to have a package not build gcc?[23:32:56] <scanty> i'm trying to install boost[23:32:59] <scanty> and it's building gcc[23:33:40] <scanty> ah thanks[23:33:49] <scanty> i'll just let it finish anyway[23:48:08] *** happy-dude has quit IRC[23:54:11] <scanty> hrm, gcc builds a lot faster in freebsd[23:54:21] <scanty> maybe it's time to setup some cross-compile madness