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[00:22:24] <jjido> I compiled the iprowifi4965 driver. Where do I put it so that it replaces the one in /boot/system/add-ons/kernel/drivers/bin?
[00:23:39] <mmu_man> somewhere in non-packaged/ ?
[00:23:45] <mmu_man> wait, are you on R1/alpha4 ?
[00:25:07] <jjido> I am on hrev47061
[00:25:47] <mmu_man> somewhere in non-packaged/ then
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[00:28:01] <mmu_man> cf. https://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/PackageManagement/Migration
[00:33:10] <jjido> Looks like the FreeBSD 8.4 driver crashes at the same place as the one bundled with Haiku :(
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[01:03:25] <mmu_man> jjido: sure it's loaded first?
[01:03:29] <mmu_man> anyway, zz
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[01:21:33] <jjido_> Does not look like Haiku is using my compiled driver even though I copied it under /system/non-packaged. Package management failed me.
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[01:45:31] <axeld> jjido_: then you're doing something wrong -- using a custom driver definitely works (I just tested it a few days ago). You can usually see in the syslog why loading a driver failed.
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[09:56:51] <irker-974> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev47086 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=bf3b475+%5E1c69e1c
[09:56:52] <irker-974>     2feaa37: Move media plug-in support to application side.
[09:56:52] <irker-974>     bf3b475: Urpdate AddOnManager and FormatManager for Media Kit
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[12:08:37] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #2512 of x86-FreeBSD-host is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-FreeBSD-host/builds/2512
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[14:06:46] <irker-974> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev47087 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=6385106+%5Ebf3b475
[14:06:46] <irker-974>     6385106: Plugin loading: style fixes.
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[14:37:12] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #2513 of x86-FreeBSD-host is complete: Failure [failed [x86_gcc2] @release-anyboot [x86_gcc2] @release-vmware [x86_gcc2] @release-cd [x86_gcc2] @nightly-raw [x86] @release-anyboot [x86] @release-vmware [x86] @release-cd [x86] @nightly-raw [x86gcc4hybrid] @release-anyboot [x86gcc4hybrid] @release-vmware [x86gcc4hybrid] @release-cd [x86gcc4hybrid] @nightly-raw
[14:37:12] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> [x86gcc4hybrid] build repository haiku [x86gcc4hybrid] upload_haiku_repository [x86gcc2hybrid] @release-anyboot [x86gcc2hybrid] @release-vmware [x86gcc2hybrid] @release-cd [x86gcc2hybrid] @nightly-raw [x86gcc2hybrid] build repository haiku [x86gcc2hybrid] upload_haiku_repository]  Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-FreeBSD-host/builds/2513
[14:37:13] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> blamelist: Adrien Destugues <pulkomandy at pulkomandy dot tk>
[14:37:13] <reavengrey> Hey, any progress on broadcom wifi drivers?
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[14:52:10] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #1807 of x86_64-any-host is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86_64-any-host/builds/1807
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[15:46:31] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #2380 of x86-Linux64-host is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-Linux64-host/builds/2380
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[21:13:14] <arfonzo> ahoy, Haiku friends
[21:13:27] <arfonzo> is there a 'nslookup' or 'dig' tool that comes with Haiku?
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[21:17:36] <puckipedia> arfonzo, not that I know of
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[21:29:51] <Skipp_OSX> hello, looking for a bit of design help...
[21:30:13] <gordonjcp> Skipp_OSX: evening
[21:30:17] <Skipp_OSX> hi gordonjcp
[21:30:28] <gordonjcp> arfonzo: isn't there "host"?
[21:30:41] <Skipp_OSX> okay, so, go here; http://insightfactory.tumblr.com/ look at the top 2 pictures, trying to get this page right
[21:31:10] <Skipp_OSX> err tab?
[21:31:43] <gordonjcp> yup
[21:31:58] <Skipp_OSX> anyway, so, I think the add and remove buttons are pretty good
[21:32:01] <gordonjcp> (I don't know why they're below the centre
[21:32:10] <Skipp_OSX> gordonjcp, I already figured that out... sorta
[21:32:37] <Skipp_OSX> that's a whole other discussion
[21:33:07] <puckipedia> Wait, the checkboxes are off center too?
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[21:33:15] <alpha123> Has anyone thought about replacing the default bash shell with something with fewer *nix-isms?
[21:33:16] <Skipp_OSX> I thought that the reset button was confusing so I moved it down to "Reset to default server list"
[21:33:22] <Skipp_OSX> but that makes the whole dialog taller
[21:33:46] <puckipedia> alpha123, well, we are a posix system
[21:33:54] <Skipp_OSX> puckipedia, that is yet another discussion
[21:34:13] <gordonjcp> alpha123: it's posixy rather than unixy
[21:34:24] <gordonjcp> oh, puckipedia beat me to it
[21:34:37] <gordonjcp> alpha123: what would you replace it with, and why?
[21:34:38] <PulkoMandy> also, BeOS had bash
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[21:34:54] <PulkoMandy> we can't really change without dropping "binary" compatibility
[21:35:06] <alpha123> puckipedia: Yeah, we'd have to keep bash for posix-compliance. I'm just wondering about something more user-friendly, e.g. http://fishshell.com/
[21:35:17] <Skipp_OSX> anybody have an idea of how the layout of this dialog could be improved?
[21:35:21] <puckipedia> or, at least sh
[21:35:23] <PulkoMandy> that being said, I patched our boot script to work with mksh, and mmu_man worked on a fish port
[21:35:23] <alpha123> PulkoMandy: Could we just change the default *interactive* shell?
[21:35:35] <puckipedia> !patchwanted alpha123
[21:35:40] <alpha123> hehe
[21:35:46] <puckipedia> epigraph offline *again*
[21:35:52] <alpha123> bash just seems very linux-y to me, and seems oddly out of place on Haiku
[21:35:54] <PulkoMandy> well, it would mean we need to maintain another shell
[21:36:10] <alpha123> True. :/
[21:36:12] <gordonjcp> alpha123: bash has been the standard Unix shell for decades
[21:36:18] <PulkoMandy> and people would get confused because their scripts don't work like their interactive shell, so overall this is not so user friendly
[21:36:28] <Skipp_OSX> gordonjcp, I think sh in the standard Unix shell
[21:36:35] <gordonjcp> Skipp_OSX: and ed is the standard editor
[21:36:36] <Skipp_OSX> bash is the standard Linux shell
[21:36:44] <Skipp_OSX> gordonjcp, good point :)
[21:36:53] <Skipp_OSX> Unix sucks
[21:37:00] <gordonjcp> Skipp_OSX: it's the standard in lots of unixes
[21:37:13] <alpha123> gordonjcp: Since *BSD is sort of the closest thing to a modern unix, isn't mksh the default unix shell?
[21:37:14] <Skipp_OSX> zsh is the new hotness
[21:37:19] <puckipedia> yes, it is
[21:37:38] <gordonjcp> alpha123: depends how you look at it
[21:37:40] <alpha123> zsh is sort of cool. I prefer fish myself.
[21:37:42] <PulkoMandy> POSIX specifies both ed (line editor) and vi (visual editor)
[21:37:54] <jua_> fish is neat
[21:37:55] <PulkoMandy> and only sh as a shell
[21:38:06] <gordonjcp> bash is the standard shell in OSX
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[21:38:19] <Skipp_OSX> gordonjcp, now-a-days
[21:38:20] <gordonjcp> and unlike Linux, OSX is a proper Unix
[21:38:37] <puckipedia> iirc, bsd even
[21:38:41] <Skipp_OSX> gordonjcp, I've been an OS X user long enough to remember when tcsh was the default shell
[21:38:55] <gordonjcp> Skipp_OSX: well okay, yes
[21:39:03] <gordonjcp> Skipp_OSX: betraying its BSD origins ;-)
[21:39:16] <Skipp_OSX> gordonjcp, yes, thankfully
[21:40:03] <gordonjcp> Skipp_OSX: OSX and FreeBSD annoy me
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[21:40:13] <gordonjcp> Skipp_OSX: they remind me of the two Citroën CXes I have
[21:40:27] <gordonjcp> I have a Series 1 and a Series 2 CX
[21:40:28] <alpha123> FreeBSD is quite nice, IMO.
[21:40:48] <gordonjcp> they have *nearly* identical switchgear, instead of column stalks they have two clusters on either side of the instrument panel
[21:40:49] <Skipp_OSX> alpha123, except it's default shell is annoying :P
[21:41:11] <gordonjcp> the switch clusters are more-or-less the same, but between S1 and S2 they swapped the position of the wiper and headlight switch around
[21:41:32] <gordonjcp> so depending on what car I drive I find myself switching off the headlights instead of switching on the wipers and vice-versa
[21:41:47] <gordonjcp> other than that the indicators and stuff are the same
[21:41:58] <gordonjcp> FreeBSD and OSX do that to me *all the time*
[21:42:08] <gordonjcp> there's like one option different to a command
[21:42:28] <gordonjcp> one does what I want and the other sets your hair on fire
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[21:43:08] <alpha123> Skipp_OSX: Well, yeah. I find any non-fish shell somewhat annoying anyway. :P
[21:43:34] <Skipp_OSX> I don't think there is an icon I can use that would convey "Reset to default server list" so I feel that it must be a button at the bottom
[21:43:41] <alpha123> gordonjcp: Funny, that's more or less how I feel about linux. :P
[21:44:06] <Skipp_OSX> or even "Reset" for that matter
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[21:44:15] <Premislaus> hello
[21:44:16] <PulkoMandy> we use "Defaults" everywhere else...
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[21:44:25] <gordonjcp> alpha123: why, what are you coming from?
[21:44:39] <alpha123> gordonjcp: Windows, actually. =P
[21:44:44] * gordonjcp has got quite used to Linuxisms after 20 years
[21:44:45] <Skipp_OSX> PulkoMandy, yeah, but that would reset all settings to default in the entire dialog, no?
[21:44:50] <gordonjcp> alpha123: oh, I haven't tried that one
[21:44:55] <PulkoMandy> (there's a good reason for this... some llanguages (including french) don't have different words for "reset" and "revert")
[21:45:01] <alpha123> gordonjcp: Otherwise, OS X, but at the moment I'm using Arch Linux
[21:45:03] <Skipp_OSX> PulkoMandy, this is specifically to reset the ntp server list
[21:45:05] <PulkoMandy> Skipp_OSX: depends if you put it inside or outside the BBox
[21:45:16] <gordonjcp> alpha123: I think we have Windows 7 at work, but I don't use it much
[21:45:23] <alpha123> (OS X is my native Unix I'd say)
[21:45:25] <Skipp_OSX> PulkoMandy, okay, I can feel you there
[21:45:28] <gordonjcp> alpha123: I used to run Arch but switched to Ubuntu
[21:45:33] <alpha123> gordonjcp: Traitor.
[21:45:41] <gordonjcp> I actually used to package for Arch
[21:45:48] <gordonjcp> but I got sick of it being broken all the time
[21:45:56] <puckipedia> tbh, I run Arch Linux and windows
[21:46:06] <Skipp_OSX> PulkoMandy, although, it's not any more clear and it doesn't save any space :(
[21:46:14] <Skipp_OSX> but maybe if I could get a "Default" icon...
[21:46:26] <puckipedia> due to some things being better on Windows than Arch
[21:46:27] <gordonjcp> puckipedia: I'm tempted to look into Arch to roll a highly highly customised distro for an embedded system
[21:46:32] <alpha123> puckipedia: Me too, at the moment. I'm probably going to either buy a Mac or switch this laptop to BSD
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[21:46:44] <alpha123> Because as much as I like Arch, it's... not that great, really
[21:47:06] <Skipp_OSX> Google images is not very helpful
[21:47:10] <gordonjcp> alpha123: I love the packaging system, I just wish the devs weren't so gung-ho about packaging the newest hawtness regardless of how broken it is
[21:47:23] <Skipp_OSX> well, which means that there is no "Defaults" icon
[21:47:30] <puckipedia> Well, that's why it is rolling edge
[21:47:35] <gordonjcp> alpha123: that actually started to affect my ability to work, because they broke avr-gcc
[21:47:50] <gordonjcp> at which point I dropped Arch like a hot brick
[21:48:40] <alpha123> Ouch. Arch does break on me a lot, but I usually don't have too much troulbe fixing it.
[21:48:54] <puckipedia> Hmm, I'm doing something wrong, it doesn't really break on me
[21:49:11] <puckipedia> (except when I forget to either copy the kernel to my esp, or forget to run mkinitcpio)
[21:49:30] <PulkoMandy> why don't you guys use Haiku ?
[21:49:38] <gordonjcp> PulkoMandy: I do
[21:49:46] <gordonjcp> I only really keep Linux around for the games
[21:49:53] <alpha123> PulkoMandy: I wish I did. Mainly I can't stand the web browser.
[21:49:57] <PulkoMandy> (mh... I don't remember if I got avr-gcc working... should do a recipe anyway...)
[21:50:02] <puckipedia> I run UEFI, and I develop some kernel stuff
[21:50:06] <gordonjcp> although my current project needs leaflet.js working and needs USB networking
[21:50:11] <gordonjcp> I'd *love* to base it on Haiku
[21:50:15] <puckipedia> Haiku kernel*
[21:50:28] <PulkoMandy> alpha123: tried the nightlies? I made a lot of improvements to the browser over the last months
[21:50:35] <PulkoMandy> (and I'm not done)
[21:50:45] <alpha123> If Haiku had a good web browser, Vim, Ruby, NodeJS, and Go, I'd probably use it on all my hardware that it supports.
[21:50:47] <PulkoMandy> also, Qupzilla is available in the package manager now
[21:51:01] <PulkoMandy> we have Vim (complete with gui)
[21:51:01] <alpha123> PulkoMandy: I tried to get one of the nightlies working, but it wasn't liking my video card or wifi. :/
[21:51:18] <alpha123> I should try again, or just try in a VM
[21:51:44] <Skipp_OSX> ⎌ <= undo
[21:51:56] <gordonjcp> alpha123: when was that, and what video card?
[21:51:59] <PulkoMandy> Ruby needs some work, NodeJS probably works in the browser now, Go isn't ported yet
[21:52:11] <puckipedia> NodeJS is a standalone tool
[21:52:19] <puckipedia> it's JS for the server
[21:52:23] <gordonjcp> alpha123: I few months back I fixed a wee bug in the Intel driver that stopped me running it on anything I had with Intel graphics
[21:52:49] <puckipedia> (v8 is ported iirc, so you need to port libidkwhatitwasagain)
[21:53:05] <alpha123> libuv? I think someone was trying that
[21:53:14] <Skipp_OSX> ⤺ <= that seems a bit better
[21:53:23] <puckipedia> libuv, that was me iirc, and it's quite a lot
[21:53:39] <alpha123> gordonjcp: It was around a month or two ago, and some crummy intel integrated card from 2008
[21:54:19] <PulkoMandy> do we still have v8?
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[21:54:29] <puckipedia> iirc, we do?
[21:54:39] <PulkoMandy> we have jsc (WebKit interpreter as a cli executable), but not sure how this can be used with Node.JS
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[21:54:48] <PulkoMandy> I'm not really into web development
[21:55:17] <puckipedia> It can't, iirc
[21:55:27] <puckipedia> nodejs uses v8 with libuv and stuff
[21:55:55] <alpha123> I'm a web designer and front-end developer (I occasionally do backend stuff though), and I am really terrible with/never really understood C++, otherwise I'd probably be trying to port some of this myself.
[21:56:28] <gordonjcp> alpha123: give it a shot
[21:56:29] <puckipedia> anyways, going to play Goat Simulator, bbl
[21:56:35] <alpha123> lol
[21:56:39] <gordonjcp> alpha123: particularly if you were using analogue VGA
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[22:00:07] <alpha123> gordonjcp: Alright, I'll give it a try probably tomorrow. The graphics card is an Intel GM965 and the wireless card is an Intel 3945ABG.
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[22:36:29] <bbjimmy> how do I use a local file for the sources in haikuporter?
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[22:41:14] <PulkoMandy> file:///path/to/file
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[23:07:10] <puckipedia> hmm, if I ever build a digital door lock with a Haiku driver, this error will be added: "B_DEV_DOOR_OPEN"
[23:07:12] <puckipedia> !error B_DEV_DOOR_OPEN
[23:07:12] <epigraph> puckipedia: B_DEV_DOOR_OPEN = B_DEVICE_ERROR_BASE + 18 = 0x8000a012 (2147524626): Drive door open
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[23:24:03] <bbjimmy> The protocol of SRC_URI file:///pathtofile is unsupported, sorry.
[23:24:23] <bbjimmy> :(
[23:25:11] <puckipedia> ehm
[23:25:13] <bbjimmy> Do I have to upgrade haikuporter?
[23:25:16] <puckipedia> actually
[23:25:44] <puckipedia> depends on what you want to read as src
[23:26:11] <puckipedia> it seems only the git+file:// is supported...
[23:26:29] <puckipedia> check
[23:26:35] <bbjimmy> I want to use local sources.
[23:27:06] <puckipedia> hmm, is it relative or absolute?
[23:27:11] <bbjimmy> with no git repository.
[23:27:34] <puckipedia> is it a relative or absolute path?
[23:28:08] <bbjimmy> it seems to be relative as an absolute path can't be found.
[23:28:44] <puckipedia> The path you give it, I mean
[23:28:59] <bbjimmy> I gave it a relative path.
[23:29:22] <bbjimmy> It couldn't find an absolute path
[23:29:42] <puckipedia> try file://$portBaseDir/thing (where thing is in haikuports/portcategory/port
[23:29:43] <puckipedia> )
[23:30:11] <bbjimmy> ? you loat me.
[23:30:18] <bbjimmy> *lost
[23:30:32] <puckipedia> The folder where your recipe is in, place the zip there
[23:30:42] <bbjimmy> I did.
[23:30:42] <puckipedia> then try as SRC_URI "file://$portBaseDir/something.zip"
[23:31:25] <puckipedia> anyways, should work
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[23:34:39] <bbjimmy> Couldn't parse repository type from URI /Archive.zip
[23:35:35] <bbjimmy> This stuff is harder than it looks.
[23:35:54] <puckipedia> What is your complete src_uri
[23:35:55] <puckipedia> ?
[23:36:24] <bbjimmy> SRC_URI="file://$portBaseDir/Archive.zip"
[23:36:44] <puckipedia> Hmm, should work
[23:36:46] <puckipedia> tbh
[23:38:33] <bbjimmy> should and does seem to be two different things.
[23:39:08] <bbjimmy> was there a change to haikuporter in this regard?
[23:39:14] <puckipedia> maybe
[23:39:31] <puckipedia> Try updating haikuporter, run `git pull` in the haikuporter folder
[23:39:36] <puckipedia> anyways, gtg
[23:39:49] <bbjimmy> thanks
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[23:57:08] <bbjimmy> The protocol of SRC_URI file://Archive.zip is unsupported, sorry.
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