February 28, 2014 
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February 28, 2014 [00:01:22] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[00:02:31] *** jessicah has joined #haiku[00:06:23] *** Vidiot_X has joined #haiku[00:14:16] *** jessicah` has joined #haiku[00:17:49] *** Vidiot_ has joined #haiku[00:19:51] *** Vidiot_X has quit IRC[00:25:11] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[00:30:09] *** jessicah` has quit IRC[00:33:49] *** jessicah has quit IRC[00:34:13] *** jessicah has joined #haiku[00:34:25] <LadySerena> secris, additional specificity may help. was the video ABOUT BeOS R5, or was it simply viewed using BeOS R5? the ambiguity of your original statement could go either way[00:35:48] *** jua_ has quit IRC[00:35:49] <secris> BeOS 5 Max first boot[00:36:09] <LadySerena> ah, so it was a video ABOUT BeOS[00:36:22] <secris> yeah just showing it[00:36:38] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[00:37:06] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[00:37:46] <FreeFull> I remember BeOS RC5[00:37:49] <FreeFull> It was good stuff[00:38:44] <secris> I have never used it[00:39:34] <secris> closest I have gotten is haiku[00:42:16] * umccullough assumes FreeFull means R5[00:42:20] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[00:42:20] <HaikuUser> What's a great e-mail client for Haiku?[00:42:30] <umccullough> define "great"[00:42:40] <HaikuUser> Working enough to check and send e-mail[00:42:41] <umccullough> it comes with a built-in mail client, but doesn't work with IMAP[00:42:41] <HaikuUser> haha[00:42:50] *** Geek_Juice has joined #haiku[00:43:05] <secris> well that explains why I couldn't get it to work[00:43:17] <umccullough> Beam works with IMAP[00:43:19] <FreeFull> umccullough: I did[00:43:42] <umccullough> the IMAP support is known-busted, it's on the gsoc ideas list ;)[00:44:15] <HaikuUser> Where do I get Beam?[00:44:18] <HaikuUser> pkgman?[00:44:38] *** jessicah` has joined #haiku[00:44:41] <umccullough> it might be available in haikudepot[00:44:50] <jessicah`> that was weird[00:44:51] <umccullough> i guess imap isn't on the gsoc ideas list - imap fs is[00:45:03] *** NeonLicht has joined #haiku[00:45:12] <jessicah> moments like these that i miss atrus[00:45:18] *** Bryanstein has quit IRC[00:45:18] <jessicah> err[00:45:19] <jessicah> am i still here? :o[00:45:22] <jessicah> meep[00:45:22] *** jessicah has quit IRC[00:45:23] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[00:45:24] *** NeonLich1 has quit IRC[00:45:25] <umccullough> lag...[00:45:25] <jessicah`> :o what the heckle[00:45:30] <jessicah`> that client quit already[00:45:39] <umccullough> probably just server lag[00:45:49] <jessicah`> no, i think it was on haiku's end[00:45:56] <umccullough> maybe[00:45:59] <jessicah`> i was checking the log files, it wasn't in log files either[00:46:19] <jessicah`> i wasn't receiving messages either[00:46:26] *** Barrett has quit IRC[00:46:29] <umccullough> freenode hasn't been healthy lately[00:46:58] <jessicah`> just wondering if it's related to the latest scheduler merge[00:46:59] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[00:47:12] <jessicah`> i was running jam with -j4[00:47:42] <umccullough> well, there are still a few known-issues with it[00:47:46] <jessicah`> responsiveness went out the window[00:47:47] <HaikuUser> BittPuffin! :)[00:47:54] <HaikuUser> *BitPuffin[00:48:07] <BitPuffin> hey HaikuUser ![00:48:08] *** Geek_Juice has quit IRC[00:48:12] <LadySerena> mew![00:48:19] <umccullough> jessicah`, search for open tickets assigned to pdziepak[00:48:19] <HaikuUser> Tell them to lemme back in #jupiterbroadcasting :D[00:48:27] <BitPuffin> what did you do[00:48:28] <umccullough> let you back in?[00:48:29] <BitPuffin> lol[00:48:31] <HaikuUser> a[00:48:51] <jessicah`> k[00:48:55] <HaikuUser> Someone from the Sour Grapes Committee banned me for using OS X[00:49:05] <BitPuffin> are you sure that's the reason[00:49:08] <BitPuffin> because I use osx[00:49:11] <BitPuffin> and it's fine[00:49:30] <HaikuUser> Ask that nogal. All they can say is "trolling"[00:49:31] <umccullough> i'm not sure i've ever seen someone banned from a channel based on their OS[00:49:33] <HaikuUser> When someone asks how, they never answer[00:49:50] *** Bryanstein has joined #haiku[00:51:05] <HaikuUser> Didn't know that you used Haiku though, Bit[00:51:20] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[00:55:08] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[00:56:14] <jessicah`> i wonder if the responsiveness is due to it being in a vm[00:56:24] <jessicah`> wouldn't expect it to be though[00:56:59] <umccullough> presumably, if you're using a VM, you added 4 cpus to it?[00:57:22] <jessicah`> yep[00:57:47] <jessicah`> but like cpu load is never pegged at 100% on any core at any time[00:58:16] <umccullough> similar things have been reported in trac[00:58:28] <jessicah`> hmm, ok[00:58:43] <jessicah`> probably a good sign i'm not crazy ;-)[00:58:57] <umccullough> well...[00:59:10] <jessicah`> hey![00:59:10] <umccullough> let's not jump to conclusions ;)[00:59:46] <jessicah`> god, building haiku in a VM is slow :([01:00:12] <jessicah`> guess building webkit is out of the question =/[01:00:22] *** secris has quit IRC[01:00:38] *** umccullough sets mode: +v mmu_man[01:00:46] *** umccullough sets mode: +v jua_[01:00:54] *** umccullough sets mode: +o hamishm[01:01:08] *** luroh has quit IRC[01:02:11] *** Slor has quit IRC[01:04:34] <HaikuUser> I've just been riding it out on Web Positive[01:05:14] *** Slor has joined #haiku[01:05:58] *** jessicah` has quit IRC[01:15:59] *** jessicah has joined #haiku[01:17:59] <umccullough> webpositive uses webkit[01:19:19] *** stargater has quit IRC[01:19:49] <jessicah> hmm, bootloader could see my haiku gpt partition on mini-itx box[01:20:00] <jessicah> i wonder why it doesn't on the airbook...[01:20:17] <jessicah> diskprobe time :)[01:22:41] *** Negr0 has quit IRC[01:27:04] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[01:27:14] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[01:29:33] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[01:29:37] *** bedouin has quit IRC[01:31:27] *** bedouin has joined #haiku[01:31:43] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[01:36:12] *** MatthewH12` has joined #haiku[01:37:13] *** bedouin has quit IRC[01:37:30] *** MatthewH12` has quit IRC[01:38:17] *** MatthewH12` has joined #haiku[01:38:29] *** _marc` has quit IRC[01:38:53] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[01:39:04] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[01:39:13] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[01:40:04] *** irker-314 has quit IRC[01:40:08] *** juser_ has quit IRC[01:40:09] *** Necrosan has quit IRC[01:40:16] <jessicah> bahahaha, integer overflow in tracker[01:40:16] <jessicah> i wonder if it's an nfs issue or tracker issue[01:40:37] *** paul0 has quit IRC[01:41:35] *** LadySerena has quit IRC[01:41:52] *** LadySerena has joined #haiku[01:41:52] *** LadySerena has joined #haiku[01:42:01] *** HeTo has quit IRC[01:42:34] *** Guest73638 has joined #haiku[01:42:50] <HaikuUser> It's rad that youtube_dl is available via pkgman though. I tested it out this morning. It's in full working order.[01:43:08] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[01:43:47] *** Cld has quit IRC[01:44:06] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[01:44:14] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[01:44:31] *** jessicah` has joined #haiku[01:45:34] *** jua_ has quit IRC[01:45:55] *** oco2 has quit IRC[01:46:37] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[01:46:50] *** KolibriOS|yogev_ has joined #haiku[01:47:01] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[01:47:04] *** bedouin has joined #haiku[01:47:04] *** KolibriOS|yogev has quit IRC[01:47:10] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[01:47:10] *** e1z0 has quit IRC[01:47:10] *** SonicX has quit IRC[01:47:14] *** e1z0_ has joined #haiku[01:47:16] *** KolibriOS|yogev_ is now known as KolibriOS|yogev[01:47:29] *** GeekShadow has quit IRC[01:47:29] *** jessicah has quit IRC[01:47:29] *** jessicah` is now known as jessicah[01:47:45] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[01:47:58] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[01:48:01] *** geist has quit IRC[01:48:06] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[01:48:16] *** Cld has joined 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IRC[02:29:56] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[02:30:00] *** vongrippen has quit IRC[02:30:04] <umccullough> https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/pawe%C5%82_dziepak/2013-03-15_nfsv4_client_finally_merged[02:31:14] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[02:32:40] <jessicah> maybe i don't have nfs4 support on my nas then[02:33:45] <umccullough> there's always nfs3[02:34:24] <umccullough> er, nfs2[02:36:33] <jessicah> yeah[02:36:47] <jessicah> someone should commit the patch that apparently fixes the filesize issue[02:37:58] <umccullough> was there a ticket?[02:38:52] <jessicah> yep[02:39:12] <umccullough> maybe add a comment reminding someone ;)[02:39:12] <jessicah> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/9787[02:39:24] <jessicah> okay[02:39:38] <umccullough> i assume you tested it[02:40:12] <umccullough> maybe pdziepak will notice and commit it[02:41:07] <jessicah> i haven't tested it[02:41:14] <jessicah> i just noticed it there[02:41:16] <umccullough> oh, ok[02:41:20] <jessicah> someone else said they tested it[02:42:17] <umccullough> was that the overflow you got?[02:42:49] <jessicah> yeah[02:43:01] <jessicah> negative file sizes in many cases too[02:43:10] <jessicah> lots of files around the 30gig mark ;)[02:43:38] <umccullough> lol[02:45:09] <jessicah> there goes my mouse cursor...[02:45:11] <umccullough> well, since apparently kallisti5 logged a dupe bug for it, maybe he'd be interested in committing the patch as well[02:46:23] *** arselinux has quit IRC[02:46:53] *** puckipedia|away is now known as puckipedia[02:47:50] *** OnHaikuOS has quit IRC[02:52:06] *** Vidiot_X has quit IRC[02:53:34] *** Xenmen has quit IRC[02:55:18] <jessicah> does https://dev.haiku-os.org/raw-attachment/ticket/9787/screenshot1.png show properly?[02:56:20] *** Vidiot_X has joined #haiku[02:56:30] *** puckipedia is now known as puckipedia|away[02:56:43] <jessicah> good one web+ =/[02:56:50] *** stpere has joined #haiku[02:56:59] <stpere> I've installed ubuntu phone on my GN :P[02:57:25] <stpere> android is too mainstream for me now :P[02:58:14] <jessicah> gn?[02:58:46] <jessicah> hey stpere :)[03:00:55] <stpere> galaxy nexus[03:00:58] <stpere> hi jessicah :)[03:01:01] <jessicah> dammit all, i don't know what's wrong with this stupid image[03:02:28] *** arselinux has joined #haiku[03:03:55] <jessicah> finally updated ticket[03:04:06] <jessicah> guess wonderbrush saved file in some weird format by default :([03:07:10] <stpere> yeah.. it's .weird :)[03:07:16] <umccullough> wonderbrush format?[03:07:38] *** umccullough sets mode: +o stpere[03:08:03] <jessicah> hmm, mebbe it turned the image into a layer...[03:08:11] <jessicah> that would explain the behaviour[03:08:53] <jessicah> figured it out in the end anyways :)[03:14:11] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[03:17:02] *** cb88 has joined #haiku[03:17:06] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[03:17:11] *** HaikuUser is now known as OnHaikuOS[03:17:13] *** cb88 is now known as Guest74719[03:18:24] *** Guest74719 has quit IRC[03:19:02] *** cb88_haiku has joined #haiku[03:20:09] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[03:21:23] <jessicah> wonderbrush is pretty neat :)[03:22:22] <OnHaikuOS> is it? I haven't used it[03:25:36] <waddlesplash> jessicah: PulkoMandy has a fix for that I think[03:25:38] *** js has quit IRC[03:25:45] <waddlesplash> actually, he fixed a good many bugs[03:25:49] <jessicah> fix for what?[03:26:06] <waddlesplash> I think we have a 2 month bugfix in the "webkit" repo now[03:26:14] <waddlesplash> jessicah: um, almost anything by now, lol[03:26:21] <waddlesplash> mostly clipping fixes[03:26:27] <waddlesplash> but lotza webkit updates too[03:26:35] <jessicah> oh, he said he broke stuff too, haha :)[03:26:44] <waddlesplash> jessicah: he did, that's why long time no release[03:26:52] <waddlesplash> but he finally commited something that I think fixed it[03:26:56] <jessicah> i was wondering what you were specifically mentioning, because i've complained about a couple things today ;)[03:27:07] <waddlesplash> specifically, GMail was totally br0ken[03:27:21] <jessicah> gmail is currently working[03:27:27] <jessicah> but he said he broke gmail again :P[03:27:38] <jessicah> i've used gmail without issues atm[03:27:40] <waddlesplash> jessicah: yes, in the HWK repo[03:27:47] <waddlesplash> but he *just* fixed it today[03:27:51] <waddlesplash> I think[03:27:57] <OnHaikuOS> Is there a port of the mutt email client?[03:28:03] <jessicah> err, think that was smth else :)[03:28:09] <waddlesplash> At least, I assume that's what https://github.com/haiku/webkit/commit/3201dffd6a155eea907dc95e828a2cfcc930a460 did[03:28:18] <waddlesplash> jessicah: no, he broke gmail a few weeks ago[03:28:24] <waddlesplash> he's been trying to fix it ever since[03:28:43] <waddlesplash> the new clipping features broke it, it drew shapes all over the place and obscured the page I heard[03:28:58] <cb88_haiku> gmails seems to work well enough in the nightly.. yahoo mail on the other hand is hosed[03:29:02] <waddlesplash> jessicah: anyway, where you been? long time no see![03:29:06] <waddlesplash> cb88_haiku: yes, it worked enough[03:29:15] <waddlesplash> but it will work better when he releases next[03:29:21] <jessicah> gmail works fine[03:29:28] <waddlesplash> I KNOW IT DOES[03:29:33] <jessicah> i been everywhere but irc[03:29:35] <jessicah> hehe[03:29:41] <jessicah> ;)[03:29:51] <jessicah> decided to give haiku a whirl again[03:30:02] <cb88_haiku> hhaaa.... for some reason I can't get the native mail app to work with gmail as far as recieving... sending seems to work I think[03:30:04] <jessicah> i see not much progress on efi support[03:30:11] <waddlesplash> jessicah: In the nightlies it works. In the HaikuWebKit repo at https://github.com/haiku/webkit it DIDN'T work for the past few months, hence, nothing[03:30:12] <OnHaikuOS> I'm having issues getting things to work in Caya[03:30:18] <waddlesplash> jessicah: TQH hit a roadblock I hear[03:30:29] <jessicah> oh?[03:30:30] <waddlesplash> OnHaikuOS: you new?[03:30:38] <waddlesplash> jessicah: yes, a few months back[03:30:38] <OnHaikuOS> yeah[03:30:50] <waddlesplash> he posted somwhere on the forums, I think, as a reply to someone asking[03:30:51] <jessicah> hmm, i wonder what it was[03:30:53] <OnHaikuOS> <--- Annoying parasitic end user[03:30:56] <cb88_haiku> Caya hasn't work every time I tried it in the last few months... it was neat back when it did certainly not polished though[03:31:10] <waddlesplash> something about bootstrapping, and testing that he didn't break ARM?[03:31:17] <OnHaikuOS> That's a shame[03:31:22] <jessicah> oh, weird[03:31:26] <OnHaikuOS> It would be nice to see Pidgin brought over[03:31:41] <waddlesplash> OnHaikuOS: 1. what Haiku version? 2. what Caya version? 3. where'd you get Caya from?[03:31:58] <OnHaikuOS> waddle, the latest nightly build from yesterday[03:31:58] <jessicah> well i can facebook & gmail & irc...[03:32:03] <cb88_haiku> indeed in theory it would be possible to write a BeOS front end for libpurple the Pidgin is just the GTK frontend[03:32:04] <jessicah> seems enough for the short-term[03:32:08] <OnHaikuOS> whatever Caya came in the repo[03:32:16] <waddlesplash> OnHaikuOS: package manager?[03:32:19] <waddlesplash> HaikuDepot?[03:32:28] <jessicah> i'm cloning webkit atm[03:32:37] <waddlesplash> jessicah: um, warning: the repo is 5GB[03:32:43] <waddlesplash> jessicah: another warning: crashy[03:32:47] <jessicah> takes a long time =/[03:32:51] <waddlesplash> jessicah: yet another warning: BE. VERY. CAREFUL[03:32:58] <jessicah> yeah i have the space[03:33:02] <cb88_haiku> I was fiddling around with VNC earlier... looks like there isn't an uptodate VNC client for haiku anymore[03:33:05] <waddlesplash> jessicah: try using --depth=1 on Git, should clean stuff up[03:33:09] <jessicah> crashy compiling?[03:33:13] <jessicah> crashy running?[03:33:13] <waddlesplash> lot less size[03:33:18] <waddlesplash> running[03:33:30] <waddlesplash> although, I hear Ingo's stack alignment fixed that[03:33:39] <jessicah> i heard that too[03:33:44] <waddlesplash> But only for x86, x86_64 is still br0ken[03:34:04] <jessicah> i only use x86 :)[03:34:05] <waddlesplash> OnHaikuOS: you a programmer or user?[03:34:07] <scanty> yes, it will not compile on x64, i last tried two days ago.[03:34:28] <waddlesplash> scanty: no, it should *compile* there, but it'll be the crashiest thing you ever saw[03:34:36] <scanty> it does not.\[03:34:38] <cb88_haiku> I was able to get the code for the old VNC client from github but... it is crashy and doesn't seem to like tigervnc which I have on my server I was able to get it to partially work but it wasn't usable.[03:35:02] <waddlesplash> cb88_haiku: HaikuArchives?[03:35:03] <cb88_haiku> yep that one[03:35:03] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[03:35:03] <waddlesplash> ah, k[03:35:17] <waddlesplash> jessicah: have you seen HaikuArchives? Or did you vanish before I launched that?[03:35:42] <cb88_haiku> also it I had to delete the settings every time or it would crash when loading them.... straight to the fancy new debugger lol[03:35:44] <waddlesplash> I launched it in... October? August? I can't even remember anymore[03:36:14] <waddlesplash> cb88_haiku: maybe the GCC4 on x8664 doesnt have C++11 threads yet[03:36:24] <waddlesplash> I wonder if Jerome (Korli) recompiled it yet[03:36:52] <cb88_haiku> ? not sure what that would have to do with that releativly old code.. its certainly not using C++11 threads.[03:37:18] *** OnHaikuOS has quit IRC[03:40:01] <cb88_haiku> unfortunately QT in haikuports is broken :/[03:40:02] *** js has joined #haiku[03:40:03] *** hackkitten has quit IRC[03:40:15] <cb88_haiku> hmm perhaps I should try building vnc with gcc4[03:40:28] *** hackkitten has joined #haiku[03:42:47] *** irker-710 has joined #haiku[03:43:17] <irker-710> haiku.master: stpere * hrev46949 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=3d5ede2+%5E847e14f[03:43:17] <irker-710> 3d5ede2: Wrong variable used in null-check (CID #1108197)[03:43:20] <cb88_haiku> nope that doesn't work...[03:47:37] <jessicah> waddlesplash: i think so[03:47:44] <jessicah> great, mouse completely dead now[03:48:30] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[03:48:32] *** HaikuUser is now known as OnHaikuOS[03:48:43] <waddlesplash> cb88_haiku: try changing the source url to use CPR's branch[03:48:44] <OnHaikuOS> Sorry... Seems to have disconnected without me realizing it.[03:48:54] <waddlesplash> cb88_haiku: https://bitbucket.org/cpr/qt[03:49:07] <waddlesplash> anyway, g2g[03:49:09] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[03:49:19] <OnHaikuOS> Yes. I believe I used pkgman to fetch Caya though.[03:52:51] <cb88_haiku> ah ic... I'll try that brach of QT... the recipe should probably be updated[04:00:56] *** TCD has quit IRC[04:03:06] <irker-710> haiku.master: stpere * hrev46950 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=c08eb21+%5E3d5ede2[04:03:06] <irker-710> c08eb21: Radeon accelerant: typo in vertical limit check (CID #991138)[04:10:40] *** OnHaikuOS has left #haiku[04:11:46] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[04:11:54] *** HaikuUser has left #haiku[04:17:17] *** OnHaikuOS has joined #haiku[04:22:18] *** DrPossum has joined #haiku[04:22:30] *** DrPossum has left #haiku[04:26:17] *** OnHaikuOS has quit IRC[04:29:14] <cb88_haiku> Pretty sure it is broken...[04:29:26] <cb88_haiku> woops nvm[04:31:29] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[04:31:33] *** HaikuUser is now known as OnHaikuOS[04:32:23] *** SonicX has quit IRC[04:32:45] <OnHaikuOS> The program called "Chat" actually works well with gmail. Looks like sending and receiving files is out of the question for now though.[04:34:59] <jessicah> maybe i should've used --depth=1[04:35:01] * jessicah sighs[04:35:10] <umccullough> yes, maxim claims Chat is better than Caya[04:35:17] <cb88_haiku> gmail is just XMPP / Jabber...[04:35:27] <umccullough> and I'd be inclined to believe him, but he decided to wage some weird war against the Caya devs[04:36:03] * umccullough doesn't understand FOSS devs who create controversey over who writes better code[04:36:15] <jessicah> lol[04:36:17] <cb88_haiku> yeah I saw something about that :/ ... software quality speaks for itself going nuts over stuff is unfortunate to say the least.[04:36:44] <umccullough> somehow i became the target of his rage when i unpublished the article i had published for him as a favor[04:36:59] <jessicah> heh[04:36:59] <umccullough> <shrug>[04:37:03] <umccullough> i don't have time for BS[04:37:25] <umccullough> so yes, use Chat if it's better :)[04:37:35] <umccullough> i think it should be in HaikuDepot[04:37:43] <umccullough> but it probably isn't yet[04:37:52] <umccullough> there is a haikuporter recipe to build it, however[04:38:38] <jessicah> argh, i just want git clone to finish so i can reboot[04:38:44] <jessicah> damn mouse :([04:39:09] <cb88_haiku> would restarting the app server fix that?[04:39:25] <jessicah> restarting app_server would leave me with a pretty hosed system[04:39:32] <jessicah> last i checked, it doesn't handle restarting so well[04:39:40] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[04:40:40] <umccullough> speaking of IM clients... I was gonna experiment with the Tox core client eventually[04:42:21] <OnHaikuOS> Do you know where Vision stores the chat logs?[04:43:05] <cb88_haiku> umccullough Tox looks interesting... I wonder how long it takes before your client shows up in DHT?[04:43:07] <umccullough> offhand, no[04:43:50] <umccullough> cb88_haiku, it's very much alpha still, they don't guarantee that it's suitable for use[04:43:59] <umccullough> still needs a security audit[04:44:12] *** kcj has joined #haiku[04:44:39] <umccullough> oh nice, they did make it into gsoc this year :D[04:44:41] <OnHaikuOS> It's at least more stable than ReactOS[04:44:52] <umccullough> what, haiku?[04:45:05] <umccullough> also, shh, there are some reactos people lurking around here ;)[04:45:25] <OnHaikuOS> I have ReactOS installed in VirtualBox[04:45:37] <OnHaikuOS> It's interesting, but very buggy[04:46:12] <cb88_haiku> Indeed...[04:46:12] <umccullough> i've been meaning to play with it again soon[04:46:26] <OnHaikuOS> It has improved. Do play with it.[04:46:28] <umccullough> last time i tried ros, it wasn't suitable for real hardware yet :P[04:46:39] <OnHaikuOS> Don't do it on real hardware[04:46:41] <OnHaikuOS> haha[04:46:46] <umccullough> well...that's what i'm interested in ;)[04:47:08] * umccullough stopped running haiku in VMs about 5-6 years ago[04:47:24] <jessicah> haiku is running on my mini-itx box :)[04:47:28] <cb88_haiku> I need to recapp my Tyan Thunder 2ATX board... it crashes on boot now :/ ... the one I did the BeOS video a few years back[04:47:45] <umccullough> heh, i've recapped my share of boards :P[04:47:52] <OnHaikuOS> I'm just interested in everything working well in a virtual environment. When that happens, I will be happy.[04:47:57] <umccullough> keeping those old P3/P4 machines runnign is a PITA[04:48:12] <cb88_haiku> I'll probably slap some large disks in it and runs some vintage softare on it... and reactos[04:48:16] <OnHaikuOS> I use OS X and Linux mostly. I would just want a virtual ReactOS to run Windows stuff when necessary[04:48:23] <jessicah> just need to get haiku booting on my airbook[04:48:30] *** SonicX has joined #haiku[04:48:35] <jessicah> although i suspect input wouldn't work due to xhci either... hmm[04:48:47] <umccullough> anyhow, i've got a reasonably modern AMD box sitting here doing nothing, so i'm gonna get it running[04:48:49] <umccullough> bbiab[04:48:50] <jessicah> didn't think about that, hmm[04:48:52] <cb88_haiku> this is a Dual PII@300Mhz 512Mb ram... used to have Linux on it and built Haiku images I could just barely boot up Haiku in qemu on there >:D[04:49:24] <jessicah> mine's some core i5 boxen; nice and fast[04:49:40] <jessicah> well, when it's running something other than haiku, hah[04:49:58] <OnHaikuOS> I've never tried Haiku on real hardware[04:50:18] <scanty> is anyone actively working on x64 stuff?[04:50:33] <cb88_haiku> lol I've got Haiku on my Sager NP6110 now... i7-3630QM 16Gb ram its nice and at least there is PAE support[04:50:58] <OnHaikuOS> I'm thinking of trying it on my Dell Latitude D510[04:51:03] <jessicah> think i only have 8gig in here :([04:51:13] <scanty> "only"[04:51:15] <scanty> hehe.[04:51:20] <jessicah> ;)[04:51:48] <cb88_haiku> well im only useing 1Gb at the moment and my disk... is pegged :/ haikuporter seems to have that effect X.x[04:51:49] <jessicah> i might build another mini-itx box, but with DC power supply instead[04:52:01] <jessicah> should've done that with this one :([04:52:21] <scanty> i would probably run haiku more, but x64 support is still pretty lame, unfortunately.[04:52:30] <scanty> no web browser, unless you count lynx.[04:52:32] <scanty> which i don't.[04:52:39] <jessicah> scanty: don't need x64 support[04:52:51] <jessicah> everything you currently need should work on 32-bit haiku[04:52:52] <scanty> sure i do, i write x64 assembly all the time.[04:53:09] <jessicah> hmm[04:53:27] <jessicah> okies, i stand corrected, hehe :)[04:53:39] <jessicah> assuming the x64 assembly is for running in haiku itself[04:53:46] <cb88_haiku> I was considering installing x32 gentoo on this laptop also just to try it out... as I understand it a few things break like java etc.. things that expect 64bit code to use long pointers[04:53:47] *** zer0her0 has joined #haiku[04:54:19] <OnHaikuOS> I'm too impatient for Gentoo[04:54:22] <scanty> yes, i write generally portable code, but sometimes i go a bit overboard and optimise things to my liking.[04:54:25] <OnHaikuOS> I do like Arch Linux[04:54:34] <scanty> although both gcc and llvm are producing prettty good code lately.[04:54:49] <OnHaikuOS> clang is better at this point[04:54:58] <cb88_haiku> Well when you have 8cores..... compiling ocasionally isn't all that bad.[04:55:10] <scanty> i "only" have four ;-)[04:55:12] *** pcomputo has joined #haiku[04:55:17] *** pcomputo_ has joined #haiku[04:55:41] <jessicah> i'm sure bfs is the likely bottleneck in compiling under haiku[04:55:48] <cb88_haiku> acutally strike that I have 4 also its just hyperthreading... forgot about that.[04:56:05] <scanty> 4 xeons here at 3.2, it's quite nice.[04:56:14] <scanty> but compiles under freebsd are way faster than under haiku[04:56:23] <scanty> like building gcc for example takes a lot longer on haiku[04:56:33] <cb88_haiku> My T2000 I was trying to VNC into earlier has 8 cores though... and 32threads lol unfortunately compiling does have alot of single threading bottlenecks[04:56:38] <jessicah> yeah, likely bfs slowing it down[04:56:51] <jessicah> bfs has historically been atrocious at handling thousands of tiny files[04:57:07] *** Blub\w has joined #haiku[04:57:19] *** egonzalez_ergio has joined #haiku[04:57:56] <jessicah> haiku build on here when it's running linux is about 3-5 minutes[04:58:05] <jessicah> under haiku, closer to half an hour :P[04:58:14] <scanty> i never tried building haiku[04:58:41] <cb88_haiku> O.o .. have you tried disabling queries on the bfs partion you are compiling on I understand that is a very large part of it?[04:58:55] <jessicah> hmm, i've not tried that[04:59:11] <stpere> night[04:59:16] <jessicah> goodnight stpere![04:59:22] *** stpere has quit IRC[04:59:28] <jessicah> i'll make an image file later then :)[05:00:16] *** Blub\1 has quit IRC[05:00:25] *** egonzalez_ergio has left #haiku[05:02:48] <umccullough> argh, the integrated video on this board isn't working, it seems[05:03:11] <umccullough> actually, i'm not sure the board is working at all...[05:03:17] <umccullough> could be a bad PSU i guess[05:03:26] * umccullough has a PSU tester somewhere[05:03:38] *** jessicah has quit IRC[05:04:02] *** jessicah has joined #haiku[05:04:18] <jessicah> didn't like that... lol[05:04:40] <jessicah> dd bs=1G kernel panicked :P[05:04:54] <cb88_haiku> Well that isn't good[05:05:03] <jessicah> :)[05:05:12] <jessicah> but now i can use my mouse :)[05:05:35] *** _marc` has quit IRC[05:06:46] *** zer0her0 has quit IRC[05:07:50] <jessicah> ohh, i know what i wanted to do: use seek=16384 count=1[05:07:52] <AlienSoldier> jessicah would it be faster to use a linux file system under Haiku?[05:07:55] <jessicah> hopefully i remember next time[05:08:02] <jessicah> i have no idea[05:08:07] <AlienSoldier> or fat32[05:08:24] <AlienSoldier> i don't think it would matter for simple compilation purpose[05:09:14] *** cb88_haiku has quit IRC[05:10:15] *** jessicah` has joined #haiku[05:10:27] *** jessicah has quit IRC[05:12:06] *** cb88 has joined #haiku[05:12:17] *** cb88 is now known as cb88_haiku[05:13:34] <cb88_haiku> https://bitbucket.org/cpr/qt ... crashes in the same place qmp.h[05:14:52] <jessicah`> well, time to go[05:15:06] <jessicah`> will deal with this stuff later tonight :)[05:15:09] <jessicah`> buhbyes![05:15:38] <cb88_haiku> cya[05:16:51] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[05:26:29] *** cb88_haiku has quit IRC[05:26:49] *** cb88_haiku has joined #haiku[05:33:54] *** Miyu has joined #haiku[05:34:51] *** OmniMancer1 has joined 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After installing Gobe via PackagenIstaller, there's a .pdb file in ~/config/packages.[10:02:58] <humdinger> what's it for? Can it be used to uninstall Gobe cleanly?[10:03:23] <Diver> humdinger: does this one work for you? http://pulkomandy.tk/~beosarchive/unsorted/www.emupt.com/beos/g/WORKING/gp_2.0_x86_trial.pkg[10:03:34] <Diver> can't install it over here[10:03:55] <humdinger> I'll have a try, Diver.[10:04:00] <Diver> I also have this pdb file btw[10:04:02] <humdinger> I just took the one from haikuware[10:06:12] <humdinger> Diver: nope. that package doesn't install.[10:06:24] <humdinger> stops after 16 files. and pops up an alert[10:06:32] <Diver> same here[10:06:50] <humdinger> But the Haikuware one works.[10:07:03] <Diver> likely a bug in PackageInstaller then[10:07:09] <humdinger> I'll dig out my official Gobe CD and try the full version.[10:07:10] <Diver> or it's just corrupted?[10:07:23] <Diver> i wonder if you can open it in PackageBuilder[10:07:51] <humdinger> where is PackageBuilder?[10:08:19] <Diver> I believe it was part of DevTools on BeOS[10:08:32] <humdinger> ah.[10:08:58] <Diver> http://ftp.beos.hu/install/BeOS5-DevTools.zip[10:09:10] <PulkoMandy> could very well be corrupted :/[10:10:59] <PulkoMandy> does the other one work?[10:11:07] <PulkoMandy> http://pulkomandy.tk/~beosarchive/unsorted/www.emupt.com/beos/g/WORKING/gp_2.0_x86_trial.pkg..pkg[10:11:37] *** HeTo has quit IRC[10:14:53] <Diver> yup, that one works[10:15:16] <PulkoMandy> ok, removing the other then[10:15:26] <PulkoMandy> probably something glitched[10:15:43] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: you and your technical mumbo jumbo... :)[10:16:00] <PulkoMandy> well, fixed[10:16:30] <PulkoMandy> humdinger: I'm just putting random words because I have no ida why that happened :)[10:17:59] <humdinger> aww... On the Gobe CD there's only a self-installing 'package'. :([10:18:53] <PulkoMandy> mh[10:19:19] <PulkoMandy> I think I remember that CD being in a tricky format with multiple volumes?[10:19:41] <humdinger> I don't think so...[10:20:08] <humdinger> There's just a ReadMe, an empty home folder and the 10 MiB "Install Gobe Prodcutive" binary[10:22:17] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[10:39:14] *** humdinger has quit IRC[10:39:15] *** ccverg has quit IRC[10:41:19] *** ccverg has joined #haiku[10:50:55] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[10:54:51] *** HaikuUser is now known as OnHaikuOS[10:56:00] *** pcomputo_ has quit IRC[10:56:00] *** pcomputo has quit IRC[10:57:00] *** cb88_haiku has quit IRC[11:06:26] *** cb88 has joined #haiku[11:06:49] *** cb88 is now known as Guest36584[11:06:58] *** Guest36584 is now known as cb88_haiku[11:07:59] *** stippi has quit IRC[11:09:46] *** stippi has joined #haiku[11:09:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[11:10:54] *** subcritical has joined #haiku[11:12:20] *** kcj has quit IRC[11:18:51] *** OnHaikuOS has quit IRC[11:21:13] *** alvin__ has joined #haiku[11:27:34] *** tgkokk has joined #haiku[11:29:13] *** stippi has quit IRC[11:30:31] *** stippi has joined #haiku[11:30:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[11:34:48] *** kkux has quit IRC[11:43:24] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[12:00:54] *** SonicX has quit IRC[12:01:28] <cb88_haiku> thats odd.. in haikuporter dtc profiles libfdt but the qemu recepie doesn't see it[12:02:58] <PulkoMandy> missing architecture declaration.[12:03:01] <PulkoMandy> probably?[12:04:58] <cb88_haiku> I don't know enough about haikuporter to have a clue about that :)[12:06:56] <cb88_haiku> Also I've been considering writing a VNC client... got distracted while looking for an IDE and the PM changes have made things difficult. Also QT recipe is broken unfortunately so I can't build an hpkg of it...so no QT apps.[12:07:37] <cb88_haiku> Going through the VNC rfb protocol it looks pretty fun to implement... :)[12:11:41] <PulkoMandy> we already have vncviewer[12:11:57] <PulkoMandy> could need an update, but the protocol parts seem to work[12:12:21] <PulkoMandy> as for the architecture, you can check the recipes[12:12:32] <PulkoMandy> what version of haiku are you running ?[12:13:33] <cb88_haiku> yes I tried building vncviewer... it only supports the oldest protocol currently released it seems and doesn't work well.[12:13:46] <cb88_haiku> It also crashes when reading it's settings file[12:13:52] <PulkoMandy> mh... works here[12:14:04] <PulkoMandy> I think I had patched it but could never upload my changes to osdrawer[12:14:09] <PulkoMandy> where is it hosted currently?[12:14:34] <PulkoMandy> I just checked the qemu recipe, currently it will only build on a gcc4 or gcc4hybrid haiku[12:14:38] <PulkoMandy> we should fix that[12:14:43] <cb88_haiku> Hmm... lemme see if I can find it again it was on I think HaikuArchives[12:14:56] <PulkoMandy> ok[12:15:06] <cb88_haiku> I'm on gcc2hybrid nightly from last night[12:15:32] <PulkoMandy> https://github.com/HaikuArchives/VNCViewer[12:15:38] <PulkoMandy> ok, comparing that with my local sources[12:15:50] <cb88_haiku> yes that is the one I built[12:17:18] <cb88_haiku> It doesn't built on gcc4 either...[12:18:33] *** Vidiot_X has quit IRC[12:19:26] <cb88_haiku> also osdrawer is down[12:19:28] *** _3dEyes has joined #haiku[12:20:15] <PulkoMandy> yes, that's why we started haikuarchives[12:20:39] <PulkoMandy> well, the version I have here is different, seems to add some extra encodings[12:20:49] <PulkoMandy> (I see XOR and ZLib but I have no idea what they mean)[12:21:33] <cb88_haiku> ic... Zlib is one of the commonly supported ones at least[12:21:45] <PulkoMandy> ok, I'll do a zipfile with what I have[12:22:30] <PulkoMandy> http://pulkomandy.tk/drop/vncviewer.zip[12:22:35] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[12:22:47] <PulkoMandy> if someone wants to submit a pullrequest to haikuarchives with the useful parts...[12:23:54] <cb88_haiku> Thanks... I'll try and built it[12:33:18] *** anurag_goel has joined #haiku[12:33:41] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[12:34:57] <cb88_haiku> was that code on windows? it seems to have some extra null characters gcc is choking on[12:36:34] <PulkoMandy> no, that's from my Haiku partition, but it may have hit some FS corruption :([12:37:34] <cb88_haiku> dunno it looks ok when I open it up in Pe[12:39:53] *** kkux has joined #haiku[12:41:08] <cb88_haiku> oh!... its the header file which is hosed up[12:42:21] <cb88_haiku> Well in any case... the binaries that were in there were more stable but they also didn't work much better.[12:42:40] <cb88_haiku> Could just be TigerVNC doesn't support old clients well[12:45:22] <cb88_haiku> PulkoMandy btw thanks for all the work on Web+ I'm looking forward to the next release blog post and release whenever that may be[12:45:44] <PulkoMandy> the blog post was this morning, release today or on monday :)[12:46:20] <cb88_haiku> Nice... I hadn't noticed it was up yet[13:04:48] *** Luko has joined #haiku[13:06:29] *** stargater has joined #haiku[13:25:52] *** learncricket has joined #haiku[13:26:45] *** Luko has quit IRC[13:29:07] *** cb88_haiku has quit IRC[13:38:04] *** _3dEyes has quit IRC[13:40:48] *** the_clanks has joined #haiku[13:47:14] <arfonzo> ahoy friends[13:47:36] <arfonzo> PulkoMandy, we spoke about a build environment - was Linux or Haiku required for this?[13:47:52] <PulkoMandy> depends what you want to build?[13:48:16] <arfonzo> a build bot / build host[13:48:21] <arfonzo> so it depends what *you* want to build. :)[13:48:32] <arfonzo> (the DL380g6 has come in)[13:48:49] <PulkoMandy> ah, yes[13:49:13] <PulkoMandy> I'd need one running Haiku to run webkit builds, cmake testsuite, and possibly other things[13:49:18] *** DKnoto has joined #haiku[13:49:30] <arfonzo> ok, no problem.[13:49:37] <arfonzo> cpu/cores?[13:49:55] <arfonzo> that latest nightly gcc2h?[13:50:03] <arfonzo> and, memory, and HD size?[13:51:06] *** nighty^ has joined #haiku[13:51:28] *** learncricket has quit IRC[13:52:02] <anurag_goel> hello all[13:52:16] <anurag_goel> i am one of the Gsoc aspirant[13:52:33] <anurag_goel> so far i have succesfully install the working env.[13:53:09] <anurag_goel> now i am not able to find src/kits/interface/TextView.cpp file.[13:53:24] <anurag_goel> can someone plz help?[14:02:01] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[14:04:52] <the_clanks> hello anurag_goel[14:04:53] <PulkoMandy> arfonzo: needs at least 10GB HDD for a webkit git tree clone, some gigabytes of RAM (no idea what's the peak use here)[14:05:02] <PulkoMandy> and yes, latest gcc2h nightly should be ok[14:05:09] *** leszek has joined #haiku[14:05:10] <the_clanks> you fetch the source code from github?[14:05:27] <anurag_goel> yeah, i just found it.[14:05:43] <the_clanks> ok[14:07:53] *** DKnoto has joined #haiku[14:09:28] *** axeld has joined #haiku[14:09:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[14:12:12] <arfonzo> PulkoMandy, ok, will do.[14:12:21] <PulkoMandy> thanks :)[14:12:57] <arfonzo> well, one caveat, the VM host is Hyper-V[14:13:07] *** Aremath has joined #haiku[14:13:16] <arfonzo> I'm reading tickets showing networking and mouse not working, I'm seeing that the mouse isn't working here, which is not a deal breaker, but a lack of a NIC could be.[14:14:50] *** Aremath has left #haiku[14:15:08] *** tgkokk has quit IRC[14:16:26] <arfonzo> how do I activate a menu without a mouse? I'm trying to partition a disk in DriveSetup[14:18:48] *** karanp has joined #haiku[14:19:25] <axeld> arfonzo: IIRC alt+esc will enable the menu[14:20:21] <arfonzo> axeld, great, that did it, thanks![14:22:27] <arfonzo> and, how to activate the tracker?[14:22:58] <arfonzo> ah, the menu button seems to do that, ok cool.[14:23:06] <arfonzo> but it's true, no network adapter is showing up :([14:27:47] *** learncricket has joined #haiku[14:33:57] *** kneekoo has joined #haiku[14:35:30] *** tgkokk has joined #haiku[14:37:13] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[14:38:11] *** learncricket has quit IRC[14:40:37] <PulkoMandy> arfonzo: ok, let's wait for that to happen then[14:42:06] <arfonzo> have you any idea how long that might be?[14:42:20] <arfonzo> no one really seems to use Hyper-V with Haiku here[14:45:43] *** stippi has quit IRC[14:50:48] *** NumberNoid has joined #haiku[14:51:51] <PulkoMandy> kallisti5 had the same problem and added it as a GSoC idea, I think[14:51:55] <PulkoMandy> let's see if that works[14:52:13] *** learncricket_ has joined #haiku[14:53:30] <arfonzo> ok, I'll try adding a "legacy" network adaptor, this might work better.[14:54:15] <arfonzo> bingo, that worked[15:01:40] *** stippi has joined #haiku[15:01:41] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[15:02:05] *** stargater has quit IRC[15:02:37] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[15:02:40] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[15:23:20] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[15:23:48] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[15:26:21] *** raveesh has joined #haiku[15:28:01] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[15:28:02] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[15:40:29] *** tgkokk has quit IRC[15:41:03] *** learncricket_ has quit IRC[15:45:58] *** NumberNoid has quit IRC[15:47:51] *** poxip has joined #haiku[15:48:28] <poxip> hi[15:49:44] *** vongrippen_ is now known as vongrippen[15:55:30] *** NumberNoid has joined #haiku[15:57:51] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[16:04:11] *** alvin__ has quit IRC[16:06:05] *** TCD has joined #haiku[16:11:12] *** Megaf has quit IRC[16:15:06] <Diver> arfonzo: is it mentioned in https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/virtualizing/hyper-v ?[16:16:19] <arfonzo> not that I could see, Diver. It didn't mention needing a legacy network adapter in there[16:16:25] <arfonzo> or mouse problems[16:16:44] *** umccullough has quit IRC[16:17:46] *** umccullough has joined #haiku[16:18:03] *** TCD has quit IRC[16:24:18] *** TCD has joined #haiku[16:25:29] *** luroh has joined #haiku[16:26:48] *** tgkokk has joined #haiku[16:28:43] *** tgkokk has joined #haiku[16:30:00] *** tgkokk has joined #haiku[16:30:09] *** tgkokk has quit IRC[16:30:54] *** tgkokk has joined #haiku[16:30:59] *** leszek has quit IRC[16:41:02] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[16:42:03] *** bitkid_ has quit IRC[16:46:44] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[16:47:12] <scanty> sorry to ask again, where is webkit git, http://github.com/haiku/webkit?[16:48:10] <PulkoMandy> yes[16:48:28] <scanty> ~> git clone http://github.com/haiku/webkit[16:48:29] <scanty> Cloning into 'webkit'...[16:48:29] <scanty> error: RPC failed; result=22, HTTP code = 408[16:50:48] <PulkoMandy> try using another clone method (svn or ssh)[16:51:10] <scanty> I don't know how to do that... :-([16:51:18] <scanty> oh there it goes[16:52:06] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[16:56:37] *** bitkid has joined #haiku[16:57:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o umccullough[16:57:21] *** umccullough sets mode: +o PulkoMandy[16:57:32] *** umccullough sets mode: +v mmu_man[16:57:43] *** umccullough sets mode: +v js[16:58:37] *** tgkokk has joined #haiku[17:02:32] *** stargater has joined #haiku[17:04:31] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[17:06:19] <scanty> btw is ssh broken in haiku?[17:07:02] <gordonjcp> scanty: in what sense?[17:07:13] <scanty> i can't ssh to my shell.[17:07:18] <scanty> it just keeps rejecting my password.[17:07:28] <gordonjcp> ssh from what to what?[17:07:43] <scanty> from here to a remote server[17:08:41] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[17:08:46] <gordonjcp> from which OS to which OS?[17:08:52] <scanty> haiku to freebsd[17:08:52] *** waddlesplash is now known as wadlspl[17:09:02] <gordonjcp> shouldn't be[17:09:14] <gordonjcp> are you specifying your username in the ssh command line?[17:09:17] <PulkoMandy> haiku to linux works here[17:09:57] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[17:09:57] <scanty> oh there it goes, i forgot about "shredder"[17:10:01] <scanty> and "user"[17:10:11] <gordonjcp> scanty: :-)[17:10:11] <scanty> if i specify the user name it works fine[17:10:13] <scanty> sorry[17:10:28] <gordonjcp> scanty: haha, you're the *only* person in here that's *ever* done that. Ahem.[17:10:32] <gordonjcp> :-D[17:10:53] <scanty> i'm used to just ssh whatever because my username in freebsd is the same as my username on my server[17:11:26] <gordonjcp> scanty: if you were using ssh keys that wouldn't be an issue, would it now?[17:11:57] <PulkoMandy> you still need to match the username[17:12:01] <scanty> guess not.[17:12:06] <PulkoMandy> you can do that if you compile haiku yourself[17:12:45] <scanty> ah[17:14:39] <PulkoMandy> you may be able to change it later on using some commands or editing /etc/passwd, too[17:15:16] <scanty> cool[17:15:46] <gordonjcp> PulkoMandy: oh, yeah so you do[17:16:01] <stargater> hi[17:16:18] <gordonjcp> grr[17:16:23] <gordonjcp> uwsgi in Ubuntu is *ancient*[17:16:29] <wadlspl> Ugh[17:16:47] <wadlspl> I want to write a 3d video game[17:17:02] <gordonjcp> wadlspl: from scratch?[17:17:02] *** leszek has joined #haiku[17:17:08] <wadlspl> But I don't want to write a scenegraph[17:17:32] <wadlspl> And all the existing ones are icky[17:18:07] <wadlspl> So I could write a scenegraph the right way, or use a commercial engine[17:18:19] <wadlspl> I can't decide which I hate more[17:18:28] <PulkoMandy> write a 2D game instead?[17:18:50] <gordonjcp> use the Quake engine[17:18:57] <gordonjcp> if it's good enough for Half-Life...[17:19:12] <gordonjcp> is there a Haiku port of the darkplaces engine?[17:19:54] <scanty> i thought there's no 3d acccel. in haiku?[17:20:22] <PulkoMandy> there isn't, but you can still do 3d[17:20:26] <PulkoMandy> it's just slower[17:20:39] <scanty> yeah. of course you can *do* it, but it would be no fun.[17:20:40] <scanty> IMO[17:22:25] <PulkoMandy> there are some interesting software rendering engines[17:22:25] <PulkoMandy> TinyGL for example[17:22:52] * scanty wonders how hard it would be to port nouveau to haiku.[17:24:54] <PulkoMandy> there's a GSoC project about that, I heard[17:25:23] <scanty> bleh, too bad i'm not a student anymore[17:26:34] *** wadlspl has quit IRC[17:29:02] *** 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broken[20:04:26] *** TCD has quit IRC[20:04:37] <umccullough> would be nice if they spent some more time releasing status updates[20:04:56] *** TCD has joined #haiku[20:05:01] <PulkoMandy> probably too busy fighting the attack...[20:07:10] <umccullough> maybe...[20:07:24] <umccullough> they don't even change the topic though[20:07:46] <umccullough> just seems like a half a minute of work would go a long ways to quelling some of the irritation[20:08:29] <umccullough> and usually zero staffers in #freenode[20:09:01] <umccullough> well, i guess that's worng[20:09:06] <umccullough> staffers are +v there[20:09:22] <umccullough> i'm just grumpy :)[20:16:02] *** stargater has joined #haiku[20:16:21] <geist> anyway, if you still want a pile of old cpus i have some[20:16:59] <geist> hmm, no phenoms though. looks like athlon IIs[20:18:05] <umccullough> ok[20:18:13] <umccullough> i can still use one or two of those[20:18:27] <geist> msg me your address one more time and i'll put together a box[20:18:37] <umccullough> oh, ok[20:18:50] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[20:18:56] <geist> or if you're in town in a few weeks. willb e driving?[20:19:06] <umccullough> i will be, in april[20:19:13] <umccullough> so, if you wanna wait, that's fine :)[20:19:15] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[20:19:17] <geist> ah i can get you something before then[20:19:22] <umccullough> k[20:19:27] <scanty> wow my connection died a while ago and i didn't even realise.[20:19:31] <umccullough> did you say you had some spare boards still?[20:19:35] <umccullough> or, you gave those away[20:19:52] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[20:19:54] <scanty> so i asked this before, but i may have not been connected.... how long does the "configure" process generally take when building webkit?[20:19:56] <geist> pretty old. i'll share you my google doc in a bit[20:20:09] <umccullough> ok[20:20:14] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[20:20:15] <geist> though i have a core 2 extreme computer that i rarely use[20:20:26] <umccullough> i'll have to find me a phenom ii x6 somewhere ;)[20:20:27] <PulkoMandy> scanty: mh... there's a "configure"?[20:20:30] <geist> that would make a nice little build bot. it's one of the 3ghz quad core core 2s, 4GB[20:20:35] <umccullough> yes[20:20:44] <umccullough> better than my existing buildbot core 2 duo[20:21:02] <PulkoMandy> scanty: how are you trying to build it ?[20:21:07] <scanty> PulkoMandy, according to README.markdown, I have to do a Tools/Scripts/build-webkit --haiku --no-webkit2[20:21:11] <geist> and this one is a complete machine. i got it from a friend that was moving, set it up in the electronics room to replace the little atom machine i had[20:21:11] <PulkoMandy> yes[20:21:25] *** sameer has joined #haiku[20:21:25] <geist> but i dont need the horsepower and it makes a lot more noise, so i'm thinking of moving back to the little atom machine[20:21:27] <PulkoMandy> scanty: that will build everything[20:21:37] <PulkoMandy> (it runs cmake by itself)[20:21:44] <PulkoMandy> takes about 2 hours on this machine[20:21:46] <scanty> oh[20:21:51] <scanty> so i guess it takes a while then[20:21:56] <scanty> it's been about two hours[20:21:58] <umccullough> i'm moving my build machines downstairs where i don't have to hear them :D[20:22:01] <scanty> just sitting there.[20:22:04] <scanty> not telling me anything[20:22:08] <umccullough> will keep the basement area warm ;)[20:22:09] <geist> yah. noisy computers i just cant tolerate anymore[20:22:19] <PulkoMandy> scanty: that doesn't look normal[20:22:32] <PulkoMandy> you should first get a list of features with ON or OFF next to them[20:22:45] <PulkoMandy> then it should list files it's building, with a % progress indicator[20:22:59] <PulkoMandy> btw, new packages are building currently[20:23:11] <PulkoMandy> should be online later today or during the weekend[20:23:19] <geist> umccullough: do you have any interest in some classic old computers? an indy, or nextstation?[20:23:32] <geist> I'm thinking of finally purging those old ones i collected. let someone else enjoy it[20:23:38] *** devport has joined #haiku[20:23:41] <puckipedia> NeXTStation?[20:23:49] <geist> yah, turbo slab, B&W[20:23:53] <scanty> ~/webkit> Tools/Scripts/build-webkit --haiku --no-webkit2[20:23:54] <scanty> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::ios_base::failure'[20:23:54] <scanty> what(): basic_ios::clear[20:23:55] <scanty> Abort[20:23:59] <puckipedia> ooh[20:24:08] *** devport has quit IRC[20:24:09] <puckipedia> Doesn't take up much space even[20:24:19] <puckipedia> It has Ethernet![20:24:21] <geist> http://imgur.com/czjCVpk[20:24:23] <geist> er[20:24:26] <geist> http://tkgeisel.com/pics/oldcomputers/next.jpg[20:24:35] <puckipedia> lol[20:24:36] <geist> though the first pic is pretty awesome too[20:25:05] <PulkoMandy> scanty: mh... doesn't look right[20:25:50] <scanty> there's more[20:26:27] <scanty> Can't exec "arch": No such file or directory at /boot/home/webkit/Tools/Scripts/webkitdirs.pm line 327.[20:26:27] <scanty> Use of uninitialized value $architecture in scalar chomp at /boot/home/webkit/Tools/Scripts/webkitdirs.pm line 328.[20:26:28] <scanty> Use of uninitialized value $architecture in string ne at /boot/home/webkit/Tools/Scripts/webkitdirs.pm line 2028[20:26:39] <umccullough> i might like the next[20:26:49] <PulkoMandy> scanty: is that a recent nightly ?[20:27:03] <puckipedia> lol,everyone wants the NeXTStation I guess[20:27:03] <scanty> 46900[20:27:13] <PulkoMandy> should be ok[20:27:22] <umccullough> geist, i better not right away though, i need to clean up some of my existing crap :/[20:27:29] <PulkoMandy> puckipedia: mh... not so useful; OpenStep runs on PC too :p[20:27:37] <puckipedia> It's cool![20:27:42] <geist> yeah, main problem is those old machines are big, so i dont want to deal with ebay[20:27:51] <AlienSoldier> i have a feeling that those old computer will be worth millions in 50 years[20:27:52] <geist> i can also ask around work. i'm sure there's a googler around[20:28:13] <geist> heh, i also have a few old beboxes[20:28:24] <umccullough> those are always popular ;)[20:28:28] <puckipedia> BeBox?[20:28:31] <geist> yeah, popular with this crowd[20:28:33] <umccullough> any busted ones? i need a couple parts[20:28:35] <puckipedia> I WANT EVERYTHING[20:28:46] <geist> both seem to work last time i played with them[20:28:48] <AlienSoldier> also erpes?[20:28:53] <geist> one of them had a flaky back io board[20:29:02] <geist> had a tough time getting the keyboard to work[20:29:07] <scanty> not sure how to proceed.[20:29:09] <umccullough> heh, that sucks[20:29:11] <puckipedia> Actually, a BeBox would be cool to emulate or so[20:29:13] <geist> most likely just taking it apart and cleaning it out would fix it[20:29:17] <geist> or some cold solder joints[20:29:19] <umccullough> well, i'll certainly take beboxen off your hands if you want to ditch 'em[20:29:21] <puckipedia> Or run BeOS on[20:29:23] <PulkoMandy> puckipedia: mess has a WIP driver[20:29:36] <puckipedia> With rom?[20:29:59] <geist> kk, i'll take inventory this weekend[20:30:17] <geist> i'm thinking of moving to seattle soonish, so the thoughts of ditching old stuff is running through my head[20:30:27] <umccullough> heh[20:30:29] <puckipedia> I'll be in SF too in april[20:30:48] <umccullough> yep, will be nice to meet you puckipedia :)[20:31:30] <puckipedia> "Nowadays, although marginal, BeOs is still alive, and new releases and updates are regularly announced by the BeOs community. "[20:31:34] <puckipedia> From the MESS page[20:31:40] <umccullough> lol[20:31:43] <PulkoMandy> guess I should plan to attend GSoC mentor summit and come back with a NeXT station in my luggage :p[20:31:52] <umccullough> heh[20:32:14] <puckipedia> I hope my plane has power...[20:32:36] <umccullough> PulkoMandy, in that case, i can get it from geist and stash it for you until the summit :)[20:32:47] <geist> yah. the problem with those old machines is they're nto small at all[20:32:53] <geist> and shipping is super expensive[20:33:22] <geist> but my rule with old machines like that is i'll never recycle one. i dont mind giving them to someone else, but as long as they're actually intyerested in them[20:33:25] <AlienSoldier> damn CRT[20:33:31] <puckipedia> geist: You could earn some money: make the people bid for the computers[20:33:35] <geist> aside from the indy, i didn't pay for them anyway[20:33:46] <geist> the indy i got at weirdstuff[20:33:58] <geist> everything else i just got from someone else giving them away, or from work (beboxes)[20:34:12] <puckipedia> SGI indy: "support ended on 31 December 2011"[20:34:15] <umccullough> yeah, i can't stomach recycling the rare stuff[20:34:15] <puckipedia> wut[20:34:30] <PulkoMandy> puckipedia: sounds like about the same time as the SNES.[20:34:56] <geist> that indy is pretty cool. http://tkgeisel.com/pics/oldcomputers/indy2011-a.jpg[20:35:09] <puckipedia> Can it run Crysis?[20:35:16] <geist> pretty quick too. 150mhz mips R5000[20:35:24] <umccullough> is that a camera on the monitor?[20:35:29] <geist> at some point it set down to port newos to it, but it turns out the R5000s are a bit rare, and wonky[20:35:36] <geist> so there's not a lot of support[20:35:47] <geist> yeah, indies had a camera. super ahead of its time[20:35:50] <puckipedia> umccullough, sounds like a camera[20:35:57] <puckipedia> It even says "SiliconGraphics"[20:35:59] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[20:36:27] <AlienSoldier> i miss the time where all movies featured Silicon Graphics computers[20:36:31] <geist> it was a later model indy, the earier indies had a R4400 + graphics board that had some 3d accelleration[20:36:35] <puckipedia> Also, if someone wants it[20:36:40] <puckipedia> I have an extra european SNES[20:36:42] <geist> the later ones were R5000 with a dumb framebuffer[20:36:50] <AlienSoldier> extra?[20:36:50] <umccullough> puckipedia, sure!, but it's not worth the shipping ;)[20:36:56] <geist> apparently the 5000s added some vector stuff and were actually faster at doing 3d on cpu[20:37:09] <puckipedia> umccullough, I'll take it to SF if there's interest[20:37:18] <geist> yah, i lusted after one of these all through college. we had a few at the lab and they were always busy[20:37:24] <geist> same with NeXTs[20:37:26] <puckipedia> Looks like a famicom, isn't a famicom[20:37:29] <umccullough> eh, keep it for someone else, i have two U.S. SNES's[20:37:33] <puckipedia> super famicom*[20:37:41] <geist> yah, i'm swimming in old consoles[20:37:51] <umccullough> same here[20:38:02] <puckipedia> Sadly enough, me too[20:38:07] <geist> thankfully they're pretty small so no worries[20:38:20] <puckipedia> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Wikipedia_SNES_PAL.jpg[20:38:28] <umccullough> i find it's hard to put 5 n64s into a tub with all the controllers and stuff[20:38:57] <AlienSoldier> puckipedia always looked LOT better than the American one[20:38:58] <umccullough> actually, i think i have 6 of them now[20:39:00] <geist> yah, i picked one of those up somewhere. their stupid power brick is annoying[20:39:20] <geist> anyway, off to work[20:39:23] <umccullough> some lady in maui was selling one with 10 games for $5, so i bought the games and left her with the n64 ;)[20:39:31] <umccullough> later[20:39:32] <puckipedia> When I buy a house (may take 5 or so years) I'll dedicate a whole room for retro computers[20:39:45] <umccullough> puckipedia, it might be more than one room :P[20:39:48] <umccullough> trust me[20:40:14] <umccullough> when my kids start moving out... i might dedicate their bedrooms :D[20:40:20] <AlienSoldier> umccullough unless Kurt Russel build you a wood cabinet for them :)[20:40:38] <puckipedia> Just a big shelf with one kind of device per space[20:41:23] <puckipedia> And a TV in the center, or something[20:41:49] <AlienSoldier> i would like to colect console if everdrive card and the like would not be so expensive[20:42:27] <umccullough> for the downstairs tv, i need an A/V switch for all the older consoles that converts to either component or HDMI[20:43:07] <puckipedia> tv tuner to component?[20:43:17] <the_clanks> rsss[20:43:24] <umccullough> composite -> component preferably[20:43:39] <the_clanks> Old computers did it better! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wDtxYeJdzg[20:43:40] <umccullough> i have a couple consoles that support component video, but the TV only has one component video input, shared with composite[20:43:57] <puckipedia> ugh[20:44:07] <puckipedia> I have another scart port that I can use as component[20:44:11] <puckipedia> composite*[20:44:24] <puckipedia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCART[20:44:49] <puckipedia> it contains all signals - composite, s-video, component[20:45:13] <umccullough> yeah, scart is non-existent here[20:45:35] <puckipedia> It is called euroconnector on the cd-i[20:45:37] *** subcritical has quit IRC[20:45:38] <puckipedia> explains a lot[20:45:52] <umccullough> new TVs have phased out s-video inputs, and they merged the composite/component into one input :/[20:45:55] <umccullough> irritating[20:46:03] <puckipedia> yep[20:46:33] <umccullough> i just need to invest in an A/V switch to hook all my consoles to that supports composite/svideo/component[20:46:51] <umccullough> and either outputs component or hdmi[20:47:00] <puckipedia> I guess you need to make one if you need more than 8[20:47:32] <puckipedia> I would love a big (32-input) switch that can sense which input is on[20:47:35] <umccullough> 8 would be plenty :)[20:48:05] <puckipedia> So this isn't needed? http://www.zektor.com/prowler8x8/images/Prowler8x8_rear_w1500.jpg[20:48:10] <umccullough> i've already got several items connected to the A/V receiver, which i can select inputs for, but it doesn't support component[20:48:40] <umccullough> ok, but how much is that? :P[20:49:05] <umccullough> that looks a bit complicated too[20:49:10] <puckipedia> 8 component + 8 audio + 8 s/pdif + 4 composite + 4 optical[20:49:11] <puckipedia> in[20:49:28] <puckipedia> 8 component + 8 audio + 8 s/pdif + 8 cat5/6/7 + serial out[20:49:35] <puckipedia> IT HAS ETHERNET[20:50:06] <umccullough> heh, ~$700[20:50:08] <umccullough> no thanks[20:50:21] *** kkux has quit IRC[20:50:22] <umccullough> i was thinking something < $100[20:50:47] <umccullough> otherwise, disconnecting/reconnecting cables is sufficient for swapping consoles :P[20:50:53] <umccullough> just irritating[20:51:13] <puckipedia> I got an idea: A big disc with consoles[20:51:22] <puckipedia> Rotate the disc so the console you want to play is under the tv[20:51:25] <puckipedia> It then turns on[20:55:39] *** subcritical has joined #haiku[20:58:07] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[20:59:29] <sameer> hello puckipedia. A person added xbox and ps3 in one pc case[20:59:36] <sameer> http://imgur.com/a/JeJpL[20:59:46] <puckipedia> The thing is, that's neither an XBox or PS3[20:59:48] <puckipedia> for me[20:59:52] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[21:00:32] *** Gedrin_AOA150 has joined #haiku[21:02:46] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[21:03:08] *** HaikuUser is now known as OnHaikuOS[21:05:06] *** pdziepak has joined #haiku[21:05:45] *** Gedrin_AOA150 has quit IRC[21:08:11] <gordonjcp> puckipedia: indeed[21:08:24] <gordonjcp> why the hell would you do that...?[21:11:52] <gordonjcp> puckipedia: I wish I could find the photo of the ICE games console in my old Volvo 340GLE 1.7 Of Doom[21:12:40] *** axeld has quit IRC[21:12:45] <puckipedia> According to google, it's either an ice blue N64, a games console running Android Ice Cream Sandwich, or a NES video game[21:14:04] *** OnHaikuOS has quit IRC[21:15:12] <gordonjcp> puckipedia: it was an Atari 2600 running off a 12V-to-9V regulator, an old CCTV monitor ratchet-strapped to a bit of wood wedged in the sunroof, and a huge boombox cable tied to the back of the passenger seat[21:15:17] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[21:15:20] *** HaikuUser is now known as OnHaikuOS[21:15:24] <gordonjcp> even that was significantly less ghetto than the rest of the car[21:15:46] <puckipedia> Well, I have an Atari 2600[21:15:55] <puckipedia> I have a car tv screen[21:16:02] <puckipedia> I have some planks[21:16:06] <puckipedia> And I have speakers[21:16:12] <gordonjcp> yup[21:16:16] <gordonjcp> all you need, right there[21:16:28] <gordonjcp> it was an online competition, "Show us your budget In Car Entertainment system"[21:16:36] <gordonjcp> so we made it out of shite lying around the workshop[21:17:15] <gordonjcp> it cost about 40 quid[21:17:20] <gordonjcp> and that includes buying the car...[21:17:23] <umccullough> heh[21:17:40] <puckipedia> ...[21:17:44] <AlienSoldier> a big atari 2600 would made a nice pool bench[21:17:52] <AlienSoldier> *make[21:18:18] <OnHaikuOS> That's a crime, Alien[21:18:19] <umccullough> atari 2600 had a built-in step like a wii fit[21:18:37] <OnHaikuOS> pool bench? lol[21:18:44] <umccullough> i still haven't located my box of 2600 bits[21:18:52] <umccullough> probably out in the garage still since i moved[21:18:52] <AlienSoldier> yes, or a mall bech :)[21:19:00] <AlienSoldier> *bench[21:19:06] <puckipedia> I do have the parts of a 2600[21:19:08] <puckipedia> assembled[21:19:25] <AlienSoldier> mine need all the spring remade[21:19:28] <umccullough> the worst part of the atari 2600 was finding a set of paddles that worked :P[21:19:43] <puckipedia> Yep, need to fix those too[21:19:55] <puckipedia> One works kinda, one is completely broken[21:19:59] <AlienSoldier> my paddle still work, but again i never owner kaboom, so i played them very little[21:20:06] <AlienSoldier> *owned[21:21:02] <AlienSoldier> i always called it the activision 2600 as they made the best game for it[21:21:14] <umccullough> frogger![21:21:32] <umccullough> loved frogger on the 2600, played it for hours :P[21:22:03] <AlienSoldier> it was a good port[21:22:51] <puckipedia> Things that weren't a very good port on the A2600:[21:22:55] <puckipedia> - Pac-Man[21:23:36] <puckipedia> I guess you could make the blinking stop[21:25:37] <AlienSoldier> there was 2 frogger on 2600, one by parker bross and one made by starpath 2 year later. the later being significatively better.[21:26:41] <umccullough> hmm, which one did i play[21:26:46] <umccullough> i remember what the cartridge looked like[21:27:19] <puckipedia> This one? http://yourseosucks.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/atari-2600-frogger-game-cartridge-instruction-booklet.jpg[21:27:40] <umccullough> yep[21:27:45] <puckipedia> This is the parker bors version[21:27:47] <puckipedia> bros*[21:27:51] <umccullough> yeah, i see that on the manual[21:28:07] <puckipedia> It says so above the title[21:28:55] <AlienSoldier> the official was very rare, most played the old one. Here it is in motion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT0-HyznXdk[21:30:19] <umccullough> yeah, never saw that version[21:30:39] <umccullough> better graphics[21:35:55] <AlienSoldier> umccullough it seem the latter one was for a tape reader for the 2600 only[21:36:29] *** jaime__ has joined #haiku[21:36:59] <AlienSoldier> umccullough http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXPfSjltt3s[21:37:22] <AlienSoldier> kinda like the SNES FX chip[21:38:49] *** subcritical has quit IRC[21:41:13] <the_clanks> I trying build Haiku, but stops in this message: problem 1: nothing provides haiku>=r1~alpha4_pm_hrev46241-1 needed by git_email-1.8.3.4-2[21:41:56] <puckipedia> Which hrev?[21:42:43] <umccullough> sounds like you cloned from github[21:42:51] <the_clanks> yeah[21:42:53] <the_clanks> rssss[21:42:53] <umccullough> instead of the official repo[21:43:05] <umccullough> the github repo doesn't have hrev tags in it[21:43:33] <umccullough> you will have to use a UserBuildConfig hack to tell it what revision you're building[21:43:58] <OmniMancer> or pull the tags from the official repo?[21:43:59] <the_clanks> hum thanks I do it[21:44:04] <umccullough> either that or you can re-clone from git.haiku-os.org[21:44:29] <the_clanks> I will try re-clone from git.haiku-os[21:45:06] <OnHaikuOS> What's the point in building Haiku? Does it optimize it to the hardware you're using?[21:45:58] <puckipedia> OnHaikuOS, nothing[21:46:05] <puckipedia> Except you cna chnge the code[21:46:44] <OnHaikuOS> ok[21:48:14] <OnHaikuOS> It's nice that all of this is under an MIT license. Hopefully all of these bugs will be ironed out in the future.[21:49:36] <umccullough> technically, if you wanted, you could adjust the GCC flags and build your own optimized version of haiku...but[21:49:53] <umccullough> you can also make your own branded version :)[21:49:57] <umccullough> change the boot splash, etc.[21:50:05] <OmniMancer> just can't call it haiku[21:50:09] <umccullough> right[21:50:36] <umccullough> or, call it haiku, but just not distribute it publicly[21:50:45] <umccullough> well, don't distribute it period[21:51:26] <umccullough> there is also a lot of kernel debugging still enabled in the "official" builds, that you could disable in your own builds[21:51:40] <umccullough> i know some people build their own so they can turn that stuff off and get a little more performance out of it[21:54:34] *** PasNox has quit IRC[21:55:28] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[21:56:25] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[21:56:29] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[21:57:20] *** stargater has quit IRC[21:58:57] <OnHaikuOS> I think that the current official build is over a year old now.[21:59:03] *** anurag_goel has joined #haiku[21:59:17] <OnHaikuOS> I'm on the latest nightly from a couple of days ago.[21:59:47] <stippi> umccullough: The performance increase for KDEBUG_LEVEL=0 is actually substantial, for certain work loads like compiling.[22:01:05] <umccullough> ok, so "a lot more performance" :)[22:01:21] <umccullough> stippi, it's almost depressing that it's disabled by default if that's the case :D[22:01:26] <umccullough> er, enabled by default[22:01:44] <OnHaikuOS> You have to build it yourself to disable kernel debugging?[22:01:53] <umccullough> it's a header level flag[22:02:13] <stippi> umccullough: It really needs to be. There are asserts that are sometimes triggered.[22:02:28] <stippi> We wouldn't get any useful bug reports for kernel crashes.[22:02:44] <umccullough> right, but still depressing ;)[22:02:46] <stippi> And sometimes those asserts prevent data corruption, too.[22:03:09] <stippi> They make the kernel abort before doing something really stupid[22:03:17] <AlienSoldier> data corruption is depressing[22:03:44] <stippi> And data corruption is still sometimes an issue.[22:04:20] <stippi> rebooting to Haikue...[22:04:32] *** stippi has quit IRC[22:08:03] *** comrad has quit IRC[22:08:40] <OnHaikuOS> The latest VirtualBox update was giving me kernel issues with Haiku. I had to downgrade.[22:09:45] *** stippi has joined #haiku[22:09:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[22:10:11] *** FreeFull has joined #haiku[22:10:52] *** nighty^ has quit IRC[22:10:57] *** nighty-_ has quit IRC[22:12:33] <umccullough> OnHaikuOS, i would suggest fililng a bug for virtualbox to "fix" the problem, but they're likely to just blame Haiku like last time :P[22:12:41] *** stargater has joined #haiku[22:12:54] <umccullough> you could still try[22:13:04] <puckipedia> What's the exact issue?[22:14:50] <OnHaikuOS> It was giving a kernel panic at boot, puckipedia[22:15:22] <puckipedia> What did the kernel panic say?[22:15:40] <stippi> Isn't there some issue with AMD hardware since the scheduler merge?[22:15:50] <umccullough> i think something was just fixed[22:15:54] <umccullough> re: amd cpus[22:16:15] <OnHaikuOS> I don't remember and I'm not about to replicate it. Let me see if I still have the text from the Google search[22:17:02] *** karanp has quit IRC[22:17:06] <AlienSoldier> currently cleaning the HD, download dir have 2937 files... i promise myself to use filer religiously after that :)[22:17:55] <AlienSoldier> at least i finished cleaning the desktop, it was such a mess[22:18:27] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[22:19:20] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[22:19:47] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[22:20:47] <umccullough> stippi, this fix? http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=f0ccf10243cc7d7ddfe8a52a5e298264bc899d56[22:21:25] <stippi> umccullough: I think that just enables MTRR support, which is important for VESA to be fast.[22:23:55] <OnHaikuOS> I got "panic", "unexpected exception", and "General Protection Exception" during the issue with VirtualBox[22:23:55] *** fhein has quit IRC[22:23:55] <umccullough> the important part is probably the backtrace from the panic[22:24:11] <stippi> Hm. Do those perhaps happen when a CPU executes an unsupported instruction? I.e. Haiku has been compiled for the wrong CPU?[22:24:27] <umccullough> in usermode, you get an opcode exception for that, not sure about kernel mode[22:24:55] <OnHaikuOS> That would be strange. It had worked before the VirtualBox upgrade and worked after I downgraded it.[22:25:04] <stippi> What can it do in kernel mode... it panics I guess.[22:25:21] <stippi> fishing in the dark...[22:25:27] *** Blub\w has quit IRC[22:25:55] *** Blub\w has joined #haiku[22:26:02] *** js has quit IRC[22:26:09] *** js__ has joined #haiku[22:26:13] *** js__ is now known as js[22:26:21] <OnHaikuOS> You and me go fishin' in the dark. Lyin' on our backs and countin' the stars.[22:26:35] *** Muzer has quit IRC[22:27:45] *** Muzer has joined #haiku[22:28:46] *** hackkitten has quit IRC[22:31:59] *** hackkitten has joined #haiku[22:32:19] *** gordonjcp has quit IRC[22:32:36] *** the_clanks has quit IRC[22:33:08] *** gordonjcp has joined #haiku[22:34:57] *** Barrett has quit IRC[22:36:07] *** jessicah` has quit IRC[22:36:12] *** jessicah has joined #haiku[22:40:25] *** kcj has quit IRC[22:40:38] *** sameer has quit IRC[22:42:22] *** poxip has quit IRC[22:47:08] *** irker-709 has joined #haiku[22:47:37] *** jaime__ has quit IRC[22:47:38] <irker-709> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev46951 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=00d9a29+%5Ec08eb21[22:47:38] <irker-709> 00d9a29: ScreenSaver: Stop saver on General tab.[22:50:52] *** MatthewH12` has joined #haiku[22:53:15] *** Muzer_ has joined #haiku[22:53:16] *** Muzer has quit IRC[22:53:27] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[22:53:28] *** kneekoo has quit IRC[22:53:29] *** TCD has quit IRC[22:53:30] *** hackkitten has quit IRC[22:53:33] *** Muzer_ is now known as Muzer[22:53:41] *** hackkitten has joined #haiku[22:54:01] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[22:54:56] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[22:55:14] *** stargater has quit IRC[22:55:26] *** MatthewH12` has quit IRC[23:02:18] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[23:03:27] *** HeTo has quit IRC[23:03:42] *** TCD has joined #haiku[23:03:51] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[23:05:38] *** arselinux has joined #haiku[23:08:32] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[23:08:39] *** irker-709 has quit IRC[23:08:40] *** jessicah has quit IRC[23:08:42] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[23:08:46] *** OnHaikuOS has quit IRC[23:08:54] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[23:10:07] *** anurag_goel has left #haiku[23:10:26] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[23:11:21] *** kneekoo has joined #haiku[23:11:23] *** OnHaikuOS has joined #haiku[23:11:33] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[23:11:44] *** JoFo has joined #haiku[23:12:01] *** OnHaikuOS has quit IRC[23:12:38] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[23:13:14] *** stargater has joined #haiku[23:13:40] *** OnHaikuOS has joined #haiku[23:14:06] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[23:15:16] *** kkux has joined #haiku[23:17:24] *** irker-710 has joined #haiku[23:17:54] <irker-710> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev46952 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=41c51f7+%5E00d9a29[23:17:55] <irker-710> 41c51f7: ScreenSaver: use stack variable to prevent memory leak[23:18:34] <OnHaikuOS> ssh rooting on Haiku. Love the POSIX compliance :-) http://i61.tinypic.com/fwrg4y.jpg[23:20:47] <umccullough> not sure how that implies POSIX compliance, but ok[23:23:10] <OnHaikuOS> Isn't OpenSSH an OpenBSD project, which is Unix-like?[23:23:15] <OnHaikuOS> I could be confused here[23:23:29] <umccullough> SSH in itself isn't posix[23:23:52] <OnHaikuOS> Ok[23:24:01] <umccullough> i mean, i could do the same with a windows box and PuTTY[23:24:08] <umccullough> which i do, every day, btw[23:26:34] <OnHaikuOS> Those are all make do solutions though. Windows provides nothing to actually get it working.[23:26:47] <umccullough> i don't see your point[23:27:02] <umccullough> openssh is a 3rd party project[23:27:05] <umccullough> it's not part of haiku[23:27:19] <umccullough> just because we distribute it with haiku doesn't make it any more part of haiku itself[23:27:22] <OnHaikuOS> Having to download a separate client rather than just opening the default command line is what I mean.[23:27:39] <umccullough> ok, so when telnet was part of windows, did that count?[23:27:50] <umccullough> basically the same thing without the encryption[23:28:46] <umccullough> in any case, my original question was: how does this imply posix compliance, but it's really not that important[23:28:55] <OnHaikuOS> ssh is traditionally a UNIX utility[23:28:55] <umccullough> if you're happy, that's good[23:29:03] <umccullough> <shrug>[23:29:16] <umccullough> ftp is also traditionally a unix utility[23:29:50] <OnHaikuOS> If I use "Unix-like" with regard to Haiku, people get upset with me. What is more acceptable?[23:30:01] <umccullough> i uh...don't care about that[23:30:10] <umccullough> call it whatever you want :)[23:30:26] <OnHaikuOS> I'm asking what the community prefers :p[23:30:40] <umccullough> it's Haiku, does it require comparison?[23:31:02] <OnHaikuOS> Humans like coming up with categories for certain things.[23:31:31] <umccullough> yes, and it seems they can't stand it when things fall out of their organized categorizations ;)[23:31:46] <umccullough> damn platypus[23:31:51] <OnHaikuOS> but you actually work on the project?[23:31:58] <umccullough> not directly[23:32:01] <OnHaikuOS> ok[23:34:16] *** Puffin has joined #haiku[23:35:00] *** HeTo_ has joined #haiku[23:35:24] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[23:36:31] *** stargate1 has joined #haiku[23:37:11] <OnHaikuOS> It's going in an interesting direction. I wish to continue experimenting with Haiku. It could really turn into something revolutionary.[23:38:13] *** HeTo has quit IRC[23:38:13] *** stargater has quit IRC[23:41:28] *** SonicX has joined #haiku[23:45:38] *** stippi has quit IRC[23:46:15] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[23:46:25] *** teodorab has joined #haiku[23:49:34] *** _marc` has quit IRC[23:51:25] *** leszek has joined #haiku[23:55:36] *** Cyrano has joined #haiku[23:58:30] *** kcj has joined #haiku[23:59:58] *** jua_ has quit IRC