February 26, 2014 
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I use my actual laptop for any work I do[03:29:52] <umccullough> people are generally impressed with how well haiku runs on such a POS machine ;)[03:30:06] <secris> lol as was I[03:30:44] <umccullough> last time, i took one of my atom d510 SFF boxes instead[03:30:55] <secris> mine came with XP install and moving to Crunchbang was like dropping dead weight but the moment I booted haiku[03:30:58] <umccullough> and people kept asking: "so, what is that, a core i5 or something?[03:31:07] <secris> lol[03:31:16] <umccullough> "nope, just a crappy dual core atom"[03:31:28] <umccullough> i paid $90 for the machine...[03:31:52] <umccullough> intel n10 video[03:32:03] <secris> I think I paid like $150[03:32:10] <secris> it has been a while[03:32:16] <umccullough> yeah, i paid something like $150 for the netbook[03:32:26] <umccullough> but the foxconn atom box was a newegg special i think[03:32:35] <umccullough> $90 with 2gb ram[03:32:40] <umccullough> i installed the HD separately[03:33:00] <secris> one of those tiny nettop boxes?[03:33:10] <umccullough> nah, not that small[03:33:18] <umccullough> big enough for a DVD-rom and a 3.5" disk[03:33:59] <secris> so about the same size as the aoa150 but thicker[03:34:06] <umccullough> no, it's a desktop[03:34:07] <umccullough> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856119023[03:34:17] <umccullough> but small form factor[03:34:46] <umccullough> hmm... maybe the deal came with 4gb[03:34:53] <umccullough> i'm too lazy to hook it up and check[03:35:09] <secris> I was going to say the size of a mac mini but I was unsure if you knew the size of one[03:35:15] <umccullough> bigger than that[03:35:34] <umccullough> it can fit a full 5.25" DVD-RW drive and a 3.5" hd as well[03:36:03] *** Paradoxon_away has quit IRC[03:36:19] <umccullough> and it has a low profile PCI slot[03:36:34] <umccullough> i have two others with atom 330's in them that I use as NAS's[03:36:51] <umccullough> installed dual 3.5" disks in each, and booted them with freenas off a USB stick[03:37:22] <umccullough> at $80-90/ea they're pretty cheap for a server[03:37:30] <umccullough> only use like 30W of power[03:39:40] <secris> that's not bad I used a little zotac nettop for the longest as a NAS but killed it when I used it for a build box for a year. I blame RPM lol[03:40:35] <secris> mine was like $190 though :([03:42:09] <umccullough> i'll probably do something a bit more sane next time - and get a synology box or something[03:42:37] <umccullough> but for now, i have two nas machines with dual 2tb disks in each, raid1[03:42:57] <umccullough> i might upgrade one of them to dual 4tb disks soon and shut down the other machine[03:43:47] <secris> ... I think if I combined all the drives I have I might break 2tb[03:43:49] <secris> ...[03:43:55] <umccullough> heh[03:44:05] <secris> my tech budget needs a cash influx lol[03:44:17] <umccullough> well, 4tb disks are something like $150/ea currently[03:45:01] <umccullough> then i could free up 4 2tb disks to do something else with[03:45:27] <secris> yeah when I have the cash there will be upgrades all around[03:46:23] <umccullough> i spose i could setup a raid5 of 2tb disks and get myself another 6tb of storage :D[03:46:47] <secris> now you are just showing off lol[03:46:50] <umccullough> eh[03:46:58] <umccullough> just need a machine with 4 sata ports[03:47:04] <umccullough> got plenty of those :P[03:47:18] <umccullough> in fact, i could probably just redo my linux box I use for haiku builds[03:48:40] <secris> Having only recently discovered Haiku I am a bit wary about devoting any more of my hardware to it just yet[03:49:01] <umccullough> i've got piles of old hardware[03:49:05] <umccullough> :/[03:50:05] <secris> I bet Haiku would be screaming fast on my old compaq laptop since it has 3GB of ram and a 2.3Ghz dual core[03:50:22] <secris> and I thought it was fast on the netbook[03:55:44] *** Xenmen has joined #haiku[03:56:09] <secris> I gotta say the only thing I am really struggling with in regards to Haiku is this whole no security feeling[03:57:24] <umccullough> lack of login, lack of confirmation when you attempt to do something bad?[03:57:45] <umccullough> the problem is, BeOS didn't have any multi-user/security features to begin with[03:58:02] <umccullough> it's definitely on the list of things to do after R1 is released[03:59:07] <secris> yeah I did some research on it back when I was looking for a new project after mine ended and I waited to test it because of that[04:03:00] *** pdziepak has quit IRC[04:04:55] *** Barrett has quit IRC[04:05:28] <secris> uh oh I just crashed screensaver[04:05:52] *** saumye has joined #haiku[04:07:13] <secris> It seems to crash when setting it to Flurry[04:08:43] <umccullough> yes[04:14:59] <secris> does your touchpad seem too sensitive on your netbook as well?[04:15:14] *** saumye has quit IRC[04:21:00] <umccullough> i think i got used to it, but you can adjust it in the mouse prefs[04:21:20] <umccullough> i think haiku's mouse speed is faster than most other OSes[04:24:52] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[04:25:26] *** subcritical has quit IRC[04:28:21] <secris> sorry was making a cup of tea... yeah I already turned it down but it is definitely faster than I am used to[04:32:12] <secris> question: why is there a plain version and an x86 version of things like gcc?[04:37:43] <bbjimmy> secris the plain version is gcc2 version, the x86 version is gcc4...[04:38:39] <bbjimmy> haiku is a hybrid ... the system is vgg2, but can run gcc4 programs ... etc.[04:38:47] <bbjimmy> gcc2[04:39:46] <umccullough> to explain why you have both... gcc2 is required for binary compatibility with legacy beos apps, gcc4 is required to compile some newer software like webkit, etc.[04:39:48] <secris> okay that makes sense[04:40:56] <umccullough> after R1 is released, things might change a bit[04:43:23] <secris> how so?[04:43:47] <umccullough> i would suspect that the gcc4 API will be finalized, and it will become the main compiler and what the system is primarily built with[04:44:05] <umccullough> gcc2 may still be around, but as a secondary architecture/compiler to remain compatible if possible[04:44:24] *** Barrett has quit IRC[04:44:47] <umccullough> there are fewer and fewer beos apps that people still choose to run, so...[04:45:02] <umccullough> many can be recompiled from source, others have FOSS replacements already[04:45:40] <umccullough> also, gcc2 doesn't support x86_64 as a target platform[04:45:54] <umccullough> and i'm sure most people will want to be running Haiku in 64bit mode[04:46:25] *** DaQatz has joined #haiku[04:47:25] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[04:48:30] <secris> yeah x86_64 was another thing I was wondering about[04:48:41] *** stpere has quit IRC[04:48:58] <umccullough> it's experimental[04:49:13] <umccullough> obviously, you won't be trying it out on your 32bit only netbook ;)[04:50:06] <secris> true lol[04:53:27] <secris> brb gonna show off haiku boot speed to a friend[04:53:31] *** secris has quit IRC[04:58:02] *** zer0rez has joined #haiku[04:58:51] *** stargate1 is now known as stargater[05:01:29] *** __marc` has joined #haiku[05:02:03] *** _marc` has quit IRC[05:02:05] *** __marc` is now known as _marc`[05:02:32] *** karanp has joined #haiku[05:03:42] *** secris has joined #haiku[05:03:53] <secris> okay I am back[05:04:39] <secris> he saw the xp and atom stickers and said wow that is old to which I said yeah now look how fast it is[05:09:00] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[05:10:40] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[05:11:43] *** zer0rez has quit IRC[05:15:00] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[05:24:27] *** kcj has joined #haiku[05:26:03] *** saumye has joined #haiku[05:28:20] <AlienSoldier> seem i am not alone with the acer netbook not shutdown bug, is there a ticket for that one?[05:29:38] *** karanp has quit IRC[05:31:57] <secris> I have not looked yet[05:35:08] <secris> I managed to accidentally move my tasklist up next to the feather on the live media any idea how I repeat this[05:35:31] *** pcomputo_ has joined #haiku[05:36:52] <secris> there is one it is closed labeled fixed[05:41:38] *** Dane_ has quit IRC[05:42:59] <secris> If you are interested the ticket is https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/5880[05:43:15] <secris> I do not see any mention of a fix or workaround[05:49:12] *** prOSy has joined #haiku[05:59:33] *** saumye has quit IRC[06:01:42] *** saumye has joined #haiku[06:01:43] *** ddarz4u has joined #haiku[06:03:10] <ddarz4u> Hi[06:05:29] <umccullough> secris, AlienSoldier, i think there were a couple tickets about it, some closed, some not[06:05:37] <AlienSoldier> ok[06:05:49] <AlienSoldier> long lasting bug for sure :)[06:05:49] <umccullough> i'll look for them again - i should be cc'd on them[06:05:55] <ddarz4u> I would like to apply for Gsoc this year[06:06:09] <umccullough> ddarz4u, have you read our students page?[06:06:18] <ddarz4u> yes[06:08:08] <ddarz4u> I have read the page[06:11:41] <umccullough> AlienSoldier, this is one of the ones i'm cc'd on: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/3868[06:12:04] <AlienSoldier> i just filled in on the https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/5880 :)[06:12:49] <umccullough> well, if it's closed, then it must have been fixed for whoever reported it, right?[06:13:03] <secris> oh I searched with the keyword acer is why i didn't see that one sorry[06:13:04] <umccullough> there could be multiple issues that are similar, but not the same[06:13:22] <umccullough> it's not specific to one make/model[06:13:29] <umccullough> i had the same problem on a dell laptop[06:13:52] <umccullough> but anyway, it's pretty difficult to debug[06:14:30] <umccullough> if you search for "shutdown hang", you'll probably find a few open still[06:16:39] *** prOSy has quit IRC[06:17:32] <AlienSoldier> umccullough i really don't know why it was closed. It may explain why i still experience it after all that time. I never bothered to submit it knowing that so many have that netbook.[06:18:09] <AlienSoldier> that is the only problem i still have with it, that and no overlay in the native driver[06:18:17] <AlienSoldier> *video driver[06:20:52] *** anoopcs has joined #haiku[06:22:44] <umccullough> AlienSoldier, yeah, now that i check that ticket, it's the same machine that i and secris have as well[06:22:50] <umccullough> i'm gonna reopen it[06:23:00] *** stargater has quit IRC[06:24:42] <AlienSoldier> it probably is the machine i use the most with Haiku. I always use it from a USB stick, i wonder if that make a difference. I did not want to erase the original OS until i have the shutdown working and overlay (because full screen video is a pain on that slow cpu without overlay)[06:25:27] <umccullough> no, it doesn't shutdown from the HD either[06:25:31] *** saumye has quit IRC[06:25:59] <AlienSoldier> umccullough while i'm at this, you don't have overlay either on that one?[06:26:53] <AlienSoldier> i know some other intel chip have it for haiku[06:27:18] <umccullough> i haven't tested recently[06:27:23] <AlienSoldier> ok[06:27:31] <umccullough> but it probably doesn't work - a lot of the intel chips have broken overlay support in the driver[06:28:17] <AlienSoldier> i see. It make it is as much more frustrating as the driver is native :)[06:29:01] * AlienSoldier cue indian jones almost toutching the graal[06:30:09] <umccullough> fwiw, the intel drivers for xorg suck too[06:30:48] <umccullough> i lost count of how many times upgrading linux broke my intel video[06:31:10] <umccullough> well, on some of my hardware anyway[06:31:24] <AlienSoldier> the only hardware that count :P[06:34:05] <umccullough> secris, i suggest you add yourself as a cc on ticket 5880[06:34:20] <umccullough> then you'll get email notifications whenever it's updated ;)[06:36:26] <umccullough> bbl, going to watch a movie[06:51:07] <secris> okay I managed to figure out how to add myself to the cc[06:56:35] <AlienSoldier> secris how do we cc without posting?[06:57:58] <secris> modify ticket at the bottom[07:02:32] *** Luko has joined #haiku[07:02:43] <secris> brb[07:07:54] <AlienSoldier> ok[07:08:02] *** anoopcs has quit IRC[07:09:35] *** Vidiot_X has quit IRC[07:12:46] *** ddarz4u has 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humdinger has quit IRC[16:42:54] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[16:44:30] *** freedomrun has joined #haiku[16:49:19] *** rimio has quit IRC[16:50:29] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[16:51:50] *** GeekShad1w has joined #haiku[16:52:07] *** geist_ has joined #haiku[16:52:30] *** geist_ is now known as Guest44045[16:52:52] *** GeekShadow has quit IRC[16:53:07] *** geist has quit IRC[16:53:23] *** js has quit IRC[16:54:00] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[16:58:49] *** poxip has joined #haiku[17:01:40] *** NumberNoid has joined #haiku[17:01:53] *** js has joined #haiku[17:09:31] *** Dane_ has joined #haiku[17:10:40] <Dane_> If I want to download and install a PM version of Haiku, can I just download it, mount it, run installer, and tell installer to install it to a new partition? Or is there more magic to it than that?[17:11:36] <Dane_> If I wanted to take that approach, would I download the RAW version?[17:11:38] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[17:12:46] <Dane_> PulkoMandy opinions on the above?[17:12:52] <humdinger_> Dane_: are you installing from a PM Haiku?[17:12:56] <Dane_> No[17:12:59] <humdinger_> or alpha4 etc.[17:13:00] <Dane_> pre PM[17:13:06] <Dane_> HR 46104[17:13:09] <humdinger_> that that doesnÄt work, I think.[17:13:31] <Dane_> humdinger_ So I need to put it into a USB stick or something first, right?[17:13:37] <humdinger_> yes.[17:13:41] <Dane_> k[17:13:47] * Dane_ thinks he has some notes on that somewhere here[17:14:21] <humdinger_> If you want to try it, you could mount the anyboot image and launch the Installer from that image instead of the alpha4-Installer.[17:14:35] <humdinger_> but as I said, I dunno if it can work...[17:16:10] <Dane_> k[17:16:36] *** fhein has joined #haiku[17:16:37] <humdinger_> otherwise, just get the anyboot snd do: dd if=path/to/haiku-anyboot.image of=/dev/disk/usb/[x]/0/raw bs=1M[17:16:50] <Dane_> Ah, exactly what i was looking for, thanks[17:18:17] <waddlesplash> Dane_: are you trying to upgrade the TT Haiku distro to a PM version?[17:18:28] <Dane_> waddlesplash Let's say experimenting in that direction[17:18:35] <waddlesplash> Ah, k[17:19:21] <waddlesplash> Let me know if I can help![17:20:15] <waddlesplash> Dane_: also the makebootable pre-pm and post-pm are incompatible[17:21:52] <Dane_> Any advice?[17:21:52] <Dane_> "gotchas" to look out for, etc?[17:21:52] <Dane_> waddlesplash Appreciated![17:21:52] <Dane_> good to know[17:21:52] <Dane_> What are the implications of that waddlesplash ?[17:22:19] <umccullough> there are instructions on how to create a USB stick from our "get-haiku" page, linking here: https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/installing/making_haiku_usb_stick[17:22:25] <umccullough> i'm guessing they're still relevant[17:23:07] <Dane_> umccullough OK sounds good, thanks.[17:23:30] <umccullough> the implications he's referring to is that you can't boot a PM haiku image from a pre-PM haiku[17:23:49] <umccullough> you have to reinstall it, and recreate the bootloader on the partition[17:23:53] <umccullough> which the installer should do[17:24:09] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[17:24:21] <Dane_> umccullough OK[17:24:50] <Dane_> umccullough is that located in something called the "boot sector" of the partition?[17:25:23] <umccullough> sure :)[17:25:46] <umccullough> boot loader, boot sector, boot block[17:26:31] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[17:26:34] <umccullough> the commandline "makebootable" can write it to the disk, but the installer should also have an option to do this[17:26:52] <Dane_> Got it[17:29:08] <umccullough> boot record, and PBR are other terms you might hear[17:29:12] <umccullough> not to be confused with the MBR[17:29:44] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[17:32:58] <Dane_> afk[17:41:49] *** puckipedia|away is now known as puckipedia[17:43:40] *** poxip has quit IRC[17:49:38] *** _scanty is now known as scanty[18:00:59] *** prkc has joined #haiku[18:01:07] *** prkc has quit IRC[18:07:25] *** _marc` has quit IRC[18:13:29] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[18:32:35] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[18:37:56] *** humdinger_ has quit IRC[18:43:59] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[19:02:38] *** puckipedia is now known as puckipedia|away[19:07:37] *** puckipedia|away is now known as puckipedia[19:09:16] *** arselinux has joined #haiku[19:13:38] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[19:15:47] *** Guest44045 is now known as geist[19:15:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o geist[19:18:03] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[19:19:37] *** LadySerena has quit IRC[19:21:50] *** NumberNoid has quit IRC[19:22:07] *** NumberNoid has joined #haiku[19:27:14] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[19:34:15] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[19:35:44] *** soakbot has quit IRC[19:35:57] *** soakbot has joined #haiku[19:38:32] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[19:38:44] *** Dane_ has quit IRC[19:39:12] *** netstar has joined #haiku[19:41:22] *** idefix_gromit has joined #haiku[19:42:12] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[19:50:55] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[19:50:59] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[19:53:39] *** stargater has joined #haiku[19:54:11] <stargater> h[19:54:16] <stargater> i[19:55:13] <gordonjcp> stargater: evening[19:57:23] <stargater> :-)[19:57:29] *** humdinger has quit IRC[19:57:31] *** sameerjaiswal has joined #haiku[19:58:30] *** sameer has joined #haiku[20:00:51] *** DaQatz has quit IRC[20:01:35] *** poxip has joined #haiku[20:02:16] <poxip> good evening :3[20:02:52] *** DaQatz has joined #haiku[20:03:20] *** PasNox has quit IRC[20:04:21] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[20:08:35] *** Dane_ has joined #haiku[20:08:46] *** sameer has quit IRC[20:09:05] *** jstressman has quit IRC[20:09:37] *** devport has joined #haiku[20:09:37] <Skipp_OSX> hello[20:09:45] <Dane_> Well something is certainly *different* about PM version. I've tried creating a USB stick and a CD, and neither one will boot. The USB stick just comes to a "no boot drive volume" error and the CD displays the spash screen but doesn't light up any of the icons.[20:10:04] <Dane_> *splash*[20:11:24] *** prkc has joined #haiku[20:11:36] <Dane_> umccullough Have you encountered anything like that with PM versions?[20:11:51] <Dane_> Maybe hardware compatibility has gone backwards somewhere.[20:12:56] <gordonjcp> Dane_: can you boot in debug mode, with all the verbose stuff?[20:13:02] <gordonjcp> or possibly with a serial console attached[20:13:36] <Dane_> gordonjcp What's the shortcut to get to boot options again with Haiku?[20:14:03] <puckipedia> shift, space, everything iirc[20:14:35] <Dane_> puckipedia shift-space...trying it[20:14:38] <Dane_> bbiab[20:14:51] *** prkc has quit IRC[20:16:41] *** Dane_ has quit IRC[20:18:45] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[20:19:16] *** Dane__ has joined #haiku[20:19:20] <Dane__> re[20:19:44] <Dane__> I'm over on the iPad so I can keep the Haiku computer free to work on while we chat.[20:21:20] *** secris has joined #haiku[20:22:11] <Dane__> puckipedia: Shift-space doesn't seem to do the trick, or just shift.[20:22:29] <puckipedia> I just press random buttons, mostly space[20:22:48] <Dane__> really[20:22:49] <Dane__> ok[20:22:50] <Dane__> trying[20:23:21] <puckipedia> Just press it immediately after/during the BIOS screen[20:23:56] <Dane__> I started rapping all over the keyboard from the moment I hit reset and continued until after the splash screen appeared...no luck.[20:24:34] <Dane__> Maybe it's because I'm using a USB mouse and keyboard through a KVM switch.[20:28:08] <puckipedia> hmm[20:28:14] <puckipedia> Try a ps/2 keyboard, if you have one[20:28:17] <puckipedia> or enable legacy usb[20:29:05] <poxip> ps/2 <3[20:29:40] <Dane__> just spacebar by itself seems to have worked[20:30:12] <Dane__> OK now I'm at the Boot Loader screen. What should I do, to enter debug mode? I have a "Select debug options"[20:30:25] <Dane__> What all should be checked in there?[20:30:38] *** Wabouz has joined #haiku[20:30:49] <puckipedia> Verbose mode (on-screen debug)[20:30:58] <puckipedia> I don´t quite know how it´s called[20:31:19] <Dane__> "Enable on screen debug output" ?[20:31:23] <puckipedia> yes[20:31:48] <Dane__> How about Enable debug syslog and save sysslog from previoys session during reboot?[20:31:50] *** freedomrun has quit IRC[20:32:17] <Dane__> Those are currently checked...should I uncheck those two?[20:32:20] <puckipedia> no[20:32:35] <puckipedia> That means, if you cold reboot, you can see the syslog of previous boot[20:32:35] <Dane__> ok...next do I try to continue booting?[20:32:42] <puckipedia> yes[20:33:06] <Dane__> splash screen appeared[20:33:14] <Dane__> no icons lighting up[20:33:44] <puckipedia> on-screen debug on?[20:33:57] <Dane__> I selected it...I'll try rebooting and check again[20:34:05] <puckipedia> Hmm, that´s not good[20:34:09] *** PasNox has quit IRC[20:35:07] <Dane__> Should I try "display syslog from previous session" ?[20:35:11] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[20:35:27] <Dane__> Actually never mind...it's booting from a CD[20:35:33] <Dane__> disregard...dumb question[20:35:46] <Dane__> So, confirming, I have a checkmark in "Enable on screen debug output"[20:35:51] <puckipedia> okay[20:35:55] <Dane__> Now choosing Return to main menu and then "continue booting"[20:36:02] *** Bryanstein has quit IRC[20:36:31] *** Bryanstein has joined #haiku[20:37:13] <Dane__> Yeah, same thing, it goes to the splash screen, doesn't light up any icons, and then just sits there.[20:37:26] <Dane__> btw 46104 (pre PM) works fine on this system[20:37:28] <puckipedia> It crashes somewhere very deep...[20:37:39] <puckipedia> Does the computer have a serial port?[20:38:00] <puckipedia> Actually, first[20:38:03] <Dane__> There's a USB to serial adapter I can use...what would I hook it to?[20:38:03] <Dane__> ga[20:38:07] <puckipedia> Set a failsafe video mode[20:38:13] <puckipedia> And enable safe mode[20:38:23] <Dane__> ah ok[20:38:31] <Dane__> Plus the debug?[20:38:36] <puckipedia> yep[20:39:21] <Dane__> done, done, and done[20:39:27] <Dane__> trying a continue...[20:39:34] *** Skipp_OSXI has joined #haiku[20:39:54] <Dane__> ok that got me some text[20:39:55] <puckipedia> ok[20:39:56] <puckipedia> The bottom has instructions for the pager[20:40:24] <Dane__> seems miles long...trying to get to the bottom[20:40:53] <puckipedia> Which GPU, btw?[20:41:02] <Dane__> AMD I think?[20:41:11] <puckipedia> okay[20:41:20] <Dane__> key to continue S to skip output, P to disable paging[20:41:24] <Dane__> Which should I choose?[20:41:43] <puckipedia> key[20:41:59] <puckipedia> Just press it the whole time[20:42:06] <Dane__> I must be at the bottom, it doesn't go down anymore[20:42:27] <puckipedia> okay[20:42:45] <puckipedia> If it hangs here, the problem lies there (probably)[20:42:54] <Dane__> k[20:43:00] <Dane__> So the last stuff I see...[20:43:09] <Dane__> Sec...will take a photo and post it...[20:46:30] *** gbonvehi- has joined #haiku[20:47:05] *** MatthewH12 has joined #haiku[20:47:36] *** PasNox has quit IRC[20:47:40] *** Skipp_OSX has quit IRC[20:47:47] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[20:47:53] *** kkux has quit IRC[20:47:55] *** nighty^ has quit IRC[20:48:05] *** kneekoo has quit IRC[20:48:11] *** arfonzo has quit IRC[20:48:14] *** gbonvehi has quit IRC[20:48:16] *** Not-002 has quit IRC[20:48:19] *** mikedld has quit IRC[20:48:23] *** jstressman has joined #haiku[20:48:23] <Dane__> http://www.tunetrackersystems.com/debug.jpg[20:48:24] <Dane__> http://www.tunetrackersystems.com/debug.jpg[20:48:24] *** devport has quit IRC[20:48:41] *** gbonvehi- is now known as gbonvehi[20:49:04] <Dane__> puckipedia: Did that come through OK?[20:49:31] <puckipedia> You still have the key press thing[20:49:37] <puckipedia> Also, confusingly[20:50:13] <puckipedia> The logs go from top to bottom, and then start from the top[20:50:43] <Dane__> I just kept going down until I couldn't go any further, and that's what you see there, the end of the road, so to speak.[20:50:56] <Dane__> Something I should do to move up, reset things, or ??[20:51:57] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[20:52:01] *** devport has joined #haiku[20:52:15] *** Sir_Designer has quit IRC[20:52:33] <puckipedia> Can you take a picture of the last line (from top) that mentions ata?[20:53:17] <Dane__> Sure...I assume I reboot and go back into the safe mode and set up as before, then continue booting, right?[20:53:26] <puckipedia> You can press P to speed things up[20:53:40] <Dane__> Sorry, speed which things up?[20:53:41] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[20:53:44] *** mareklug has joined #haiku[20:53:48] *** kkux has joined #haiku[20:54:07] <Dane__> You want a picture of the top, the first screen of info?[20:54:34] *** nighty^ has joined #haiku[20:54:53] <puckipedia> Pressing P will print as far as it gets before hanging[20:55:03] <Dane__> ok trying that[20:55:37] *** Necrosan has quit IRC[20:56:08] <puckipedia> iirc[20:56:14] <Dane__> ok it's leaping through the list[20:56:24] <Dane__> paging down down down on its own[20:56:30] <puckipedia> correct[20:56:37] <Dane__> still going[20:56:39] *** juser_ has joined #haiku[20:56:42] <puckipedia> Make a picture where it ends, if it does[20:56:45] <Dane__> k[20:57:32] <Dane__> It paused a bit, now it's doing more[20:57:37] *** bedouin has quit IRC[20:57:54] <Dane__> it just went black[20:58:03] *** Guest73638 has joined #haiku[20:58:35] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[20:58:35] *** kneekoo has joined #haiku[20:58:35] *** arfonzo has joined #haiku[20:58:35] *** mikedld has joined #haiku[20:58:45] <Dane__> Now I see a tiny bit of very thin white at the very top of the screen, just a few sketches of it...the rest of the screen is solid black[20:58:45] <puckipedia> hmm[20:58:56] *** bedouin has joined #haiku[20:58:56] <Dane__> No response to keyboard or mouse[20:59:10] *** PasNox has quit 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is not stopped. Cant get stack trace[21:18:01] <puckipedia> ah[21:18:16] <puckipedia> Which CPU?[21:18:25] <Dane__> moment[21:18:37] <skorj> anyone know how to move the tasklist next to the application button?[21:18:46] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[21:18:47] *** karanp has quit IRC[21:18:47] *** Blub\0 has quit IRC[21:18:50] *** secris has quit IRC[21:18:51] *** DaQatz has quit IRC[21:19:18] *** vongrippen_ has quit IRC[21:19:26] <Diver> skorj: https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/deskbar.html[21:19:34] *** skorj is now known as secris[21:19:34] <secris> I did it by accident in the live and cant figure out how I did it[21:19:42] <secris> thanks[21:19:45] *** karanp has joined #haiku[21:19:58] *** vongrippen has joined #haiku[21:20:36] <Dane__> puckipedia: AMD A4-5300 3.4 Ghz Socket FM2 Dual Core APU[21:20:55] *** Necrosan has quit IRC[21:20:55] *** Necrosan has joined #haiku[21:21:03] <puckipedia> hmm[21:21:52] <Diver> try blacklisting shortcut_catcher in the bootloader[21:21:58] <secris> wow that has more options than I though[21:22:04] <secris> thought*[21:22:12] *** axeld has quit IRC[21:23:48] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[21:24:25] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[21:26:34] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[21:26:47] *** HubertX4 has joined #haiku[21:28:01] *** vongrippen has quit IRC[21:28:08] <Dane__> puckipedia: Sounds like I'm kind of at the end of the line, eh?[21:28:28] <puckipedia> yeah[21:29:54] *** vongrippen has joined #haiku[21:32:11] <Skipp_OSXI> I'm having a bit of trouble believing that PM could cause all these issues[21:32:56] <Dane__> Not sure what's behind it, just know it works with my pre PM but not this latest nightly PMM.[21:32:57] <Skipp_OSXI> AFAIK we haven't made dramatic changes in hardware support since PM[21:33:23] <Skipp_OSXI> Dane__, do you know the last revision number that did work?[21:33:51] <Dane__> I'm using 46104, which was about the last one before PM[21:35:39] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[21:36:49] <Diver> Dane__: can you still click Boot to Desktop button in the Installer window?[21:36:59] <Dane__> sec...phone[21:38:35] <Diver> also, do you get the same crash when you let it boot normally (i.e. without checking bootloader options)?[21:41:12] *** Vidiot_X has joined #haiku[21:42:33] *** pcomputo has quit IRC[21:42:33] *** pcomputo_ has quit IRC[21:42:52] *** kcj has joined #haiku[21:44:22] *** PasNox has quit IRC[21:44:24] *** HubertX4 has quit IRC[21:44:43] <Dane__> Diver No, there's no mouse response that would allow me to click the Boot to Desktop buttton[21:45:00] *** HubertX4 has joined #haiku[21:45:03] <Dane__> Diver If I let it boot normally, it hangs at the splash screen without lighting up any of the icoons[21:45:37] <Dane__> phone again, but monitoring here[21:46:46] *** stippi has quit IRC[21:47:17] <gordonjcp> Dane__: what is the last thing to come out of the serial port, when it hangs on the splash screen[21:47:59] *** Vidiot_X has quit IRC[21:49:10] <secris> E-mail keeps telling me network unavailable[21:49:40] *** gbonvehi has quit IRC[21:49:40] *** gbonvehi has joined #haiku[21:49:47] <secris> unreacheable[21:53:17] <Diver> secris: mail_daemon probably tries to use ipv6[21:53:44] <secris> can I change that?[21:53:54] *** Xenmen has joined #haiku[21:54:25] <Diver> you can either blacklist this module or use an ip address for your pop/smtp server[21:55:21] <Diver> Dane__: so those look like 2 different issues to me[21:55:31] <secris> blacklist ipv6?[21:55:37] <Diver> yup[21:55:48] <Diver> https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/daily-tasks/blacklist-packages[21:56:08] <puckipedia> You could blacklist packagefs, right?[21:56:23] <puckipedia> actually, I would blacklist the package ´haiku´[21:56:58] <puckipedia> Just to see how the world will burn[21:57:32] <Diver> secris: there's an example at the end of the page. try add-ons/kernel/network/protocols/ipv6[21:58:40] *** LadySerena has joined #haiku[21:59:13] <Diver> Dane__: there's probably some timing issues which allow you to boot if you enter (and maybe check some options) the bootloader[22:00:55] <Diver> *there are[22:01:10] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[22:02:17] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[22:02:45] *** fhein has quit IRC[22:03:12] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:08:58] <secris> okay going to reboot and see if it fixes it[22:09:42] *** secris has quit IRC[22:13:10] <Dane__> still on phone :-)[22:13:49] <puckipedia> If you have another computer with serial port + a 0-modem cable[22:14:01] <puckipedia> (presuming the Haiku pc itself has serial)[22:14:06] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[22:14:19] <puckipedia> connect them together, you should be able to see debug stuff via serial[22:14:44] <Dane__> rats...that's a non-starter, no 0-modem cable[22:21:51] *** echelog has joined #haiku[22:22:25] *** comrad has joined #haiku[22:22:25] *** comrad has joined #haiku[22:22:25] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[22:23:04] *** juser__ has joined #haiku[22:23:21] *** NumberNoid_ has joined #haiku[22:23:34] *** Skipp_OSXII 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WTF?[22:23:55] *** luroh has joined #haiku[22:24:06] <Diver> secris: so you see that ipv6 module now?[22:24:23] <PulkoMandy> bbjimmy: binary compatibility only works in one direction[22:24:35] <bbjimmy> The other way around works just fine.[22:24:50] *** Wabouz_ has joined #haiku[22:24:51] <PulkoMandy> yes[22:25:16] <bbjimmy> saqys that for the time being one should use r1a4 for development.[22:25:54] <PulkoMandy> that or BeOS R5[22:26:19] <jua_> if you only use documented public APIs, things should be fine[22:26:31] <PulkoMandy> jua_: no[22:26:43] <PulkoMandy> binary compatibility isn't backward[22:26:50] <PulkoMandy> for example get_system_info was changed[22:26:55] <PulkoMandy> we have a wrapper so old apps stil lrun[22:27:10] <PulkoMandy> but if you compile something with the new API, it won't run on older systems[22:27:29] <bbjimmy> source is portable between versions, binary is only one way.[22:27:34] <PulkoMandy> there are a relatively small number of changes like this[22:27:36] <jua_> PulkoMandy, ah, right[22:27:40] <puckipedia> Even source isn´t quite portable[22:27:53] <puckipedia> get_system_info was changed, which influenced the source[22:28:02] *** Geek_Juice has joined #haiku[22:28:13] *** Bryanstein has quit IRC[22:28:13] *** Geek_Juice is now known as Bryanstein[22:28:14] *** Bryanstein has joined #haiku[22:28:20] *** umccullough has quit IRC[22:30:54] <secris> see it?[22:31:05] <secris> it is still not working[22:32:56] *** secris has quit IRC[22:33:05] *** kcj has quit IRC[22:34:38] *** Bryanstein has quit IRC[22:36:11] *** myrkraverk has quit IRC[22:36:12] *** myrkraverk has joined #haiku[22:37:22] *** nighty^ has quit IRC[22:37:23] <Cian> icu still fails to build for me. Very odd[22:37:23] <Cian> just hangs up completely[22:37:24] *** pdziepak has quit IRC[22:37:25] *** nighty^ has joined #haiku[22:37:26] <Cian> hangs on a random file the screws up the packagefs so badly it needs a reboot[22:37:26] <Anarchos> What is the replacement for the linux dev_alloc_skb (from the line skb = dev_alloc_skb(totalpacketlen); )[22:37:30] *** juser_ has quit IRC[22:37:30] *** Skipp_OSXI has quit IRC[22:37:32] *** Wabouz has quit IRC[22:37:34] *** NumberNoid has quit IRC[22:37:41] *** pdziepak has joined #haiku[22:37:42] *** myrkraverk has quit IRC[22:37:43] *** myrkraverk has joined #haiku[22:37:45] *** umccullough has joined #haiku[22:37:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o umccullough[22:37:51] *** umccullough sets mode: +o Skipp_OSXII[22:38:00] *** umccullough sets mode: +o PulkoMandy[22:38:07] *** umccullough sets mode: +v pdziepak[22:38:08] <Cian> happens with a direct build as well as via Haikuporter strangely[22:38:20] *** umccullough sets mode: +v mmu_man[22:38:35] *** umccullough sets mode: +v jua_[22:38:44] *** umccullough sets mode: +v js[22:39:01] <puckipedia> VOICE EVERYONE[22:39:07] <umccullough> devs[22:39:13] <umccullough> ops will be mentors[22:39:55] <puckipedia> It just looks weird, you enter and everyone is voiced/oped[22:40:16] <umccullough> if i had access rights, i'd modify the list :P[22:40:20] <umccullough> if they didn't keep leaving, i wouldn't have to re-op/re-voice :)[22:40:48] <puckipedia> 24/7 vps[22:40:49] <Cian> hah[22:41:07] <umccullough> yeah, i need to setup my own bouncer soon[22:41:37] <Cian> something I've considered doing on the two rooms of machines that never get turned off in work[22:41:55] <PulkoMandy> can't use that with Vision :([22:42:11] <umccullough> complain at Rene[22:42:13] <Cian> rather than leaving a box on here using the most expensive consumer electricity this side of the atlantic[22:42:32] *** Bryanstein has joined #haiku[22:42:36] <puckipedia> I have a raspi with ZNC installed[22:43:05] <puckipedia> connected to my router[22:43:19] <PulkoMandy> if I had a RasPi, I'd be porting Haiku to it :p[22:43:27] <umccullough> buy two?[22:43:27] <puckipedia> Too lazy[22:43:36] <puckipedia> Can I port it to a netduino?[22:44:01] <PulkoMandy> what CPU is that?[22:44:09] <Cian> actually, I wonder could I bug my ISP for the SDK for their router, it'd run those kind of services perfectly[22:44:24] <Cian> considering its a Linux box running a hacked to death XBMC anywya[22:44:49] <puckipedia> Cortex-M4, 168mHz, 100+ kB of ram[22:44:53] <puckipedia> ;)[22:45:10] <umccullough> might be enough ram :P[22:45:53] <puckipedia> I heard from waddlesplash that Haiku ran in 69kb of ram[22:46:06] <PulkoMandy> that would be megabytes[22:46:20] <puckipedia> I thought it was bytes[22:46:30] <PulkoMandy> puckipedia: is that an STM32f4 microcontroller?[22:46:30] <puckipedia> Oh wait, I forgot the /s[22:46:34] <puckipedia> I think so...[22:46:51] <PulkoMandy> may be possible to add some external RAM if they wired enough I/O on the board then[22:46:54] <gordonjcp> hrm[22:47:02] <PulkoMandy> we had one board with 32MB of external RAM IIRC[22:47:14] <gordonjcp> I have a board somewhere with some sort of ARM, similar to the Mini2440[22:47:44] <puckipedia> It´s an Arduino clone, which runs .NET[22:47:48] <DaaT> puckipedia: ZNC?[22:47:49] <PulkoMandy> http://www.emcraft.com/products/224[22:47:54] <puckipedia> znc.in[22:48:07] <umccullough> znc is supposedly one of the best bouncers out there[22:48:15] <puckipedia> It is![22:48:26] <puckipedia> (Spoiler: I actually only ever used znc)[22:48:36] <puckipedia> And quassel, but that isn´t really a bouncer[22:48:36] <DaaT> ah ok[22:48:41] <PulkoMandy> actually; this is the one we had: http://www.emcraft.com/index.php/products/235[22:48:44] <DaaT> I only use my Pi for xbmc[22:48:50] *** devport has quit IRC[22:49:06] <PulkoMandy> may be enough to boot a stripped down haiku[22:49:14] * umccullough uses his xboxes for xbmc[22:49:15] <PulkoMandy> but probably not worth the price[22:49:15] <Cian> after seeing what UPC did to XBMC I'm not sure I want to uise it anywhere else[22:52:19] *** devport has joined #haiku[22:54:02] <bbjimmy> my post on yab IDE .hpkg regarding the binary issue....[22:54:04] <bbjimmy> http://haikuware.com/directory/view-details/development/ides/yab-ide-package[22:54:58] <Cian> DaaT any chance of fixing ICO to actually display properly in web+ :P[22:55:13] <DaaT> Cian: not my fault!!! Speak to PulkoMandy[22:55:14] <DaaT> :P[22:55:15] <puckipedia> bbjimmy: hpkgs only work on haiku above or equal to the version you built it on[22:55:16] <puckipedia> iirc[22:55:28] <Cian> DaaT bad detection routines...[22:55:31] <puckipedia> (at least, if you added haiku >= $haiku_version e.g)[22:55:34] <PulkoMandy> Cian: I have still no idea why ICO insists on Web+ being a mobile browser...[22:55:34] <Cian> also the title of the site says IscComputerOn[22:55:38] <Cian> rather than IsComputerOn[22:56:16] <DaaT> Cian: yeah, noticed that too... keep forgetting to correct it[22:56:43] <DaaT> Cian: I contacted the guys who make the "mobile detection" engine and it detects web+ as a desktop browser actually[22:56:48] <DaaT> iirc[22:57:16] <bbjimmy> it isn't the hpkg I'm woried about, it is the program binary output of the BuildFactory.[22:57:44] <puckipedia> Just make it build into a hpkg[22:57:52] <DaaT> Cian: typo fixed, thanks[22:58:22] <puckipedia> Or add a warning[22:58:33] <bbjimmy> building a binary is tough enough.[22:58:59] <puckipedia> pseudocode:[22:59:05] <puckipedia> void compile(string code) {[22:59:05] <bbjimmy> I just added a warning on the download page.[22:59:16] <puckipedia> warn(wont work < current_version)[22:59:23] <puckipedia> run_phases(code)[22:59:23] <puckipedia> }[23:00:44] *** axeld has joined #haiku[23:00:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[23:00:55] <Cian> further to the build oddities I'm having: I have to kill a stuck gcc process three or four times to get ICU to build, yet it links fine.[23:01:31] *** secris has joined #haiku[23:02:55] *** axeld1 has joined #haiku[23:02:55] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld1[23:03:41] *** comrad has quit IRC[23:04:59] *** axeld has quit IRC[23:05:52] *** DKnoto has joined #haiku[23:10:40] *** Cian has quit IRC[23:11:33] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:12:41] *** DaaT has quit IRC[23:22:07] *** devport has quit IRC[23:22:47] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #1675 of x86_64-any-host is complete: Failure [failed [x86_64] upload_haiku_repository] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86_64-any-host/builds/1675 blamelist: Alexander von Gluck IV <kallisti5 at unixzen dot com>[23:25:41] <Anarchos> how are net_buffers allocated within drivers ?[23:28:57] *** NumberNoid_ has quit IRC[23:31:30] *** nighty^ has quit IRC[23:35:51] *** HubertX4_ has joined #haiku[23:36:03] *** HubertX4 has quit IRC[23:36:11] *** HubertX4_ is now known as HubertX4[23:41:49] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[23:43:59] *** HubertX4_ has joined #haiku[23:45:34] *** idefix_gromit has left #haiku[23:47:14] *** HubertX4 has quit IRC[23:47:36] *** HubertX4_ is now known as HubertX4[23:48:35] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[23:50:38] <poxip> bb[23:50:41] *** poxip has quit IRC[23:51:59] *** netstar has quit IRC[23:56:29] *** axeld1 has quit IRC[23:56:53] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[23:57:26] *** axeld has joined #haiku[23:57:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[23:58:44] *** puckipedia is now known as puckipedia|away[23:59:15] *** arselinux has quit IRC[23:59:55] *** the_clanks has quit IRC[23:59:58] *** DKnoto has quit IRC