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[00:34:07] <nikolas69> BeOs is religion
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[00:40:43] <mmu_man> BeOS... it's the OS...
[00:42:38] <kallisti5> double rainbow
[00:43:10] <mmu_man> so beautiful...
[00:43:17] <kallisti5> so intense...
[00:43:32] <mmu_man> Everything sounds better... auuu tooo tunned
[00:43:40] <kallisti5> lol
[00:43:45] <kallisti5> :trollface:
[00:43:59] <mmu_man> I saw this thing in a documentary about geeks the other day, didn't know
[00:44:40] <kallisti5> thing?
[00:44:52] <mmu_man> all the autotune stuff
[00:44:55] <kallisti5> ah
[00:45:07] <kallisti5> yeah, Wish they made more stuff
[00:45:15] <kallisti5> their news autotuning stuff is great
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[11:02:47] <irker-715> haiku.master: humdinger * hrev46923 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=15a4535+%5E92d40f5
[11:02:48] <irker-715>     15a4535: Updated UberTuber to v0.9.10
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[11:49:59] <irker-715> haiku.master: stippi * hrev46924 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=99d23e5+%5E15a4535
[11:49:59] <irker-715>     fe3c024: EXRTranslator: Catch any exception.
[11:50:00] <irker-715>     99d23e5: app_server: Apply scale to round corner radius.
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[13:07:40] <Paradoxon> @stippi how do i use the affine transformation for projectconceptor??
[13:07:58] <Paradoxon> any source / header to start with?
[13:09:54] <PulkoMandy> AffineTransform.h
[13:10:06] <PulkoMandy> there are tests in src/tests/server/app
[13:11:09] <Paradoxon> oh ok
[13:11:35] <Paradoxon> is there an  test lib or ist working out of the box??
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[13:15:04] <Paradoxon> wich libbe?
[13:15:07] <Paradoxon> with
[13:15:09] <Paradoxon> args
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[13:24:06] <PulkoMandy> it's in the public API
[13:24:36] <PulkoMandy> there are no new classes introduced, we had BAffineTransform working with BPolygon and BGradient already, the new thing is just a new method in BView
[13:24:56] <Paradoxon> ok... i will try as soon as i am at home..
[13:25:04] <Paradoxon> BGradient is new for me..
[13:25:07] <Paradoxon> too :-D
[13:25:21] <Paradoxon> i used to draw the gradients on my own *lol*
[13:28:44] <PulkoMandy> someday we will complete the Haiku Book... :(
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[13:31:44] <Paradoxon> I already saw it in the headers... but i was to lazy to look through all this :-D
[13:31:53] <Paradoxon> i mean the gradient
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[13:56:00] <poxip> hi
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[13:56:49] <Paradoxon> hi poxip
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[14:26:14] <stargater> hi
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[18:07:04] <puckipedia> Welcome back!
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[19:59:54] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #806 of x86-Linux-host is complete: Failure [failed [x86_gcc2]]  Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-Linux-host/builds/806  blamelist: Stephan A?mus <superstippi at gmx dot de>
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[20:37:42] <Cian> is the web interface for haikuports bitbucket down for anyone else?
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[20:39:34] <luroh> that seems likely, although it works fine here :)
[20:40:02] <Cian> getting a CSRF error here
[20:40:14] <luroh> http://bb.haikuports.org/haikuports/ ,right?
[20:40:15] <Cian> may be web+ related
[20:40:17] <Cian> yes
[20:40:24] <luroh> ok, works here at least
[20:40:25] <umccullough> works here too
[20:40:39] <Cian> can I clear cookies in web+?
[20:41:27] <luroh> not sure, i run gcc2 so no web+ for me
[20:43:07] <FreeFull> Why not hybrid?
[20:43:52] <luroh> until R1, i've made it my mission to keep an eye on the gcc2 build
[20:44:15] <luroh> it builds much faster than gcc4, or hybrid
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[20:44:57] * luroh is not really a Haiku user, but mostly a tester
[20:45:11] <Cian> just wanted to see what else I'd pushed to my clone last night, remember otherwise
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[20:49:33] <umccullough> btw, gsoc is a go for us this year
[20:49:42] <puckipedia> woo!
[20:49:57] <umccullough> so, if there are any would-be students lurking around here, start working on those proposals ;)
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[20:52:22] <Cian> starting to push some bits and pieces to a fork on bitbucket in another effort to port vlc
[20:53:13] <luroh> Cian: 2014 is the year, i can feel it :)
[20:54:12] <Cian> I had it complining and running in December 2012, it was just unstable as hell and my audio driver just made it worse
[20:54:40] <Cian> it won't be available for gcc2 though ;)
[20:54:44] <luroh> yep, i remember
[20:54:48] <luroh> bah ;)
[20:55:16] <Cian> I MIGHT do a recipe for the old enough version to compile on gcc2 so it can be rebuilt for reliability reasons
[20:55:18] <Cian> if I've time
[20:55:55] <PulkoMandy> actually, 0.8.6i  needs some hacks to run now
[20:55:59] <PulkoMandy> (some libs got renamed)
[20:56:09] <PulkoMandy> so having a recipe for it would be nice
[20:56:20] <PulkoMandy> or we could just add the missing features to MediaPlayer :p
[20:56:55] <luroh> at least with PM there is a framework to work with.  i'm guessing the old .beps didn't quite cut it
[20:57:01] <Cian> I can hack away at ports but I'm utterly shite at programming new stuff
[20:58:37] <luroh> VLC is one of those universal apps that just float above native ones no matter what
[20:58:42] <luroh> firefox is another
[20:59:15] <umccullough> eh, vlc is awesome and all, but if the built-in media player handles most everythign you throw at it, then why bother :)
[20:59:31] <umccullough> and since both effectively use ffmpeg, we're pretty close
[20:59:42] <umccullough> just need streaming and dvd playback support
[21:00:09] <umccullough> but always nice to have VLC as a backup either way
[21:00:13] <luroh> yes, it handles most, but is not ideal for all situations, VLC has an almost infinite amount of options
[21:00:23] <umccullough> yes...i know
[21:00:47] <umccullough> i get lost trying to find stuff in it on my windows box ;)
[21:01:03] * luroh too
[21:01:17] <umccullough> ultimately, i just removed it and went back to the stock microsoft media player
[21:01:20] <AlienSoldier> umccullough mediaplayer lack of overlay make it useless on smaller cpu, especially on hi res monitor it come to a crawl
[21:01:26] <umccullough> because i don't use my windows box for much of that now
[21:01:36] <umccullough> AlienSoldier, vlc would suffer the same fate
[21:01:46] <umccullough> since overlay support requires driver functionality
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[21:02:09] <AlienSoldier> umccullough VLC have overlay on most of my PC
[21:02:11] <umccullough> and mediaplayer does support it (or did at one point)
[21:02:23] <umccullough> AlienSoldier, like i said, that's not a feature of vlc, it's a video driver feature
[21:02:33] <umccullough> if the driver doesn't support overlay, neither will vlc
[21:03:03] <AlienSoldier> true but media player don't have overly here while VLC have it
[21:03:12] <umccullough> it did
[21:03:20] <umccullough> maybe someone removed it because it was broken
[21:03:37] <AlienSoldier> i never said it did not, it just not work as expected for me
[21:03:47] <Cian> VLC is also a streaming server (only one of its multitude features we'd actually have, as it won't support capture cards etc)
[21:03:56] <umccullough> probably a broken colorspace conversion then
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[21:04:44] <AlienSoldier> another thing i like better in VLC is the surimposed data over video
[21:05:01] <umccullough> i think mediaplayer supports subpictures, doesn't it?
[21:05:10] <luroh> that reminds me of https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/8432
[21:05:19] <AlienSoldier> that saved my butts in R5 because the UI time is no longer linked to the GUI
[21:05:21] * luroh still has that T42
[21:05:54] <AlienSoldier> umccullough subtitle yes.  What is subpicture?
[21:06:40] <umccullough> subtitles
[21:06:40] <luroh> gigantic text on top, small video strip at the bottom
[21:07:05] <umccullough> also, DVD menus can show images over the top of video
[21:08:23] <AlienSoldier> umccullough yes, i think it is related to colorspace for the overlay, at least that is what i remember from what axeld told me.  It sure did not progressed until that time.
[21:10:35] <Cian> pkgman is now crashing instantly when resolving dependencies
[21:10:39] <Cian> reboot time I think...
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[21:13:57] <Cian> well that didn't fix it...
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[21:16:02] <luroh> Cian: are you manually installing something, or is this haikuporter?
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[21:16:27] <Cian> through haikuporter
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[21:20:06] <luroh> Cian: seems far-fetched... but yesterday, oliver committed a patch for something, is your haikuporter up-to-date?
[21:21:15] <Cian> updated, hasn't changed anything
[21:21:21] <Cian> its pkgman that's crashing
[21:21:35] <luroh> right, didn't think so either...
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[21:28:00] <Cian> rebuilding my repo on the offchance
[21:28:26] <Cian> which did nothing
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[21:32:00] <luroh> any idea what it's trying to do when crashing?
[21:32:12] <Cian> resolve dependencies for a build
[21:32:27] <Cian> after crashing twice, haikuporter prints "unable to resolve required ports"
[21:32:56] <luroh> ok, that doesn't tell much
[21:34:37] <luroh> any way you can boil it down to a specific package?
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[21:35:02] <Cian> happens on anything I can think of
[21:35:08] <luroh> oh
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[21:36:31] <luroh> i wonder if there's some sort of cache one could clear
[21:37:17] <luroh> or maybe i'd better actually shut up, since i have no experience with haikuporter
[21:37:52] <Cian> well this is pkgman dying which is part of the OS
[21:38:03] <luroh> true
[21:38:46] <luroh> so, even when invoked manually, pkgman crashes?
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[21:39:39] <Cian> nope
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[21:40:08] <Cian> don't know how to make it perform that depedency check manually though
[21:40:16] <luroh> right
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[21:40:55] <puckipedia> see pkgman resolve-dependencies
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[21:42:39] <Cian> that doesn't bomb out on a random selected package anyway
[21:43:24] <Cian> or, it does it I do it differently
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[21:45:14] <Cian> ok, something is corrupted on my haikuports tree
[21:45:42] <Cian> I forced a rebuild of the repo already
[21:46:59] <Cian> I'll clone again
[21:51:39] <Cian> that fixed it
[21:51:48] <Cian> luckily nothing uncommitted bar what I was already working on
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[21:57:20] <netstar> WOW absolutely amazing
[21:57:27] <netstar> The instllaler
[21:57:42] <netstar> It doesn't seem real
[21:57:57] <puckipedia> Well, it is
[21:58:10] <netstar> tres bien!
[21:58:12] <puckipedia> I mean, you used it
[21:58:48] <netstar> Yep
[21:59:04] <puckipedia> Which version, btw?
[21:59:16] <netstar> nightly gcc2
[21:59:27] <puckipedia> gcc2h?
[21:59:41] <netstar> x86_gcc2
[22:00:14] <puckipedia> gcc2h (x86_gcc2 + x86) are somewhat more useful
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[22:01:30] <AlienSoldier> netstar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsjvV4yXuCE
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[22:25:21] <luroh> bbjimmy: did you get a yab recipe going, or did you manually re-pack stuff into HPKG files?
[22:28:34] <bbjimmy> I packaged yab and made some changes to yab IDE and BuildFactory to make it work, it is mostly building yab, including source code and the modified ide ( built with BuildFactory) and the needed BuildFactory files.
[22:29:38] <luroh> ah, well done :)
[22:29:57] <bbjimmy> I don't believe a recipe would be hard to do, just use the proper yab sources.
[22:29:57] <puckipedia> Upload it somewhere
[22:30:11] <bbjimmy> it is at haikuware.
[22:30:11] <luroh> bbjimmy: right
[22:30:26] <puckipedia> Source too?
[22:30:34] <bbjimmy> yes.
[22:30:56] <netstar> anyone had issues woth cdplayer and  usb
[22:31:16] <luroh> might be worth looking at a recipe once we get automated builds going over at haikuports.org
[22:31:20] <bbjimmy> there is a source ,hpkg, an ide .hpkg and the yab .hpkg with the binary and documentation.
[22:32:25] <luroh> (or maybe at haikuware.com, for that matter)
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[22:32:53] <bbjimmy> I had to make it use non-packaged/data for the buildfactory. the IDE copies the appropriate files there and uses this for building apps.
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[22:42:59] <Skipp_OSX> hi bbjimmy
[22:43:55] <luroh> nice, it even pulled in ncurses when installing the source package
[22:43:58] <Skipp_OSX> bbjimmy, this might interest you: https://github.com/jscipione/NetPulse
[22:44:42] <Skipp_OSX> bbjimmy, it's not perfect yet but it does give you statistics and send/receive status on Haiku
[22:45:11] <bbjimmy> kewl
[22:47:17] <bbjimmy> luroh yab has issues launching apps that open windows right off. a "sleep .01" statement before opening the first window seems to be a work-around.
[22:48:06] <luroh> yeah, i saw the ticket.  any idea how to solve that, long-term wise?
[22:50:15] <luroh> iirc, the old maintainer (author?) is no longer active
[22:50:50] <bbjimmy> I am not a c++ geek, juist I just do Basic and hack a little c++ when I get a clue as to what to do.
[22:51:34] <bbjimmy> jan is looking at the issue, he re-installed haiku and installed my .hpkgs
[22:51:56] <luroh> ah ok, that's good news
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[22:52:30] <Cian> icu simply refuses to build for me on this machine
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[22:52:44] <Cian> just ends up hanging on a file, different each time but in a similar part of the code
[22:52:52] <Cian> gcc sits there using no resources and doing nothing, never errors out
[22:53:07] <bbjimmy> Skipp_OSX that is the network feedback I was looking for, thanks.
[22:54:23] <Skipp_OSX> bbjimmy, I gotta get it to Enable/Disable your NIC and then it will be a drop-in replacement for the current network replicant
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[22:54:42] <bbjimmy> :)
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[22:57:15] <luroh> stupid question: how do i know which hpkgs to throw in system/packages and which to throw in home/config/packages?
[22:57:25] <luroh> is it only a matter of whether i want them accessible globally, or just for a particular user?
[22:57:28] <puckipedia> It doesn't matter too much
[22:57:30] <puckipedia> atm
[22:57:55] <luroh> until multiuser, right?
[22:57:58] <puckipedia> yep
[22:58:02] <puckipedia> Although that's for R2
[22:58:05] <luroh> ok, thought so
[22:59:29] <bbjimmy> I think the common directory should have been kept for packages, then it would be easier for the user to identify what packages were included with Haiku, and what ones were added.
[23:00:02] <bbjimmy> Bui I lost that argument.
[23:00:09] <bbjimmy> #but
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[23:05:42] <luroh> i seem to remember there was some argument against that
[23:05:56] <luroh> ...but i really don't know enough to comment on that
[23:08:15] <bbjimmy> nor I, those arguments always take place where nobody sees them or the justification for the choices.
[23:10:35] <luroh> oh, they were publicly discussed on the development list, but i chose to tune out
[23:11:28] <luroh> the discussion went on for a couple of years
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[23:23:12] <Cian> the pkgman explosion has happened again
[23:23:17] <Cian> time to try track wth is wrong
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[23:31:39] <Cian> OK, if there is a .recipe with a blank COPYRIGHT line (as in COPYRIGHT=""), it blows up pkgman
[23:31:53] <Cian> haiku bug or haikuporter bug (as in which issue tracker to use)?
[23:32:22] <Cian> the previous issue may have been something else
[23:35:25] <luroh> good question
[23:35:56] <luroh> i'd guess if it needs a recipe to crash, it points to it being a haikuporter issue
[23:36:09] <puckipedia> Haikuporter generates a .packageinfo for each recipe
[23:36:33] <puckipedia> So, check in the repository folder if the file it generated is correct
[23:38:17] <Cian> it generates it without the copyrights{} section
[23:39:37] <puckipedia> hmm, it shouldn't crash on that tbh
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[23:47:53] <Cian> I'll log a ticket to trac tomorrow if I remember
[23:47:59] <Cian> seeing as its an OS component
[23:48:28] <Cian> if anyone with haikuports commit access feels like pulling any of the stuff I'm workign from from my fork feel free
[23:48:44] <Cian> I apparently should still have access but I someone doubt I do, seeing as I've never sent anyone an ssh key
[23:48:53] <umccullough> submit pull requests :)
[23:49:16] <Cian> umccullough that requires remembering to do it...
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[23:53:45] <Cian> and learning how to do it for that matter
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