February 20, 2014 
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February 20, 2014 [00:03:11] *** axeld has quit IRC[00:04:02] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[00:04:13] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[00:04:22] *** axeld has joined #haiku[00:04:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[00:05:35] *** Miyu is now known as hackkitten[00:10:22] *** hackkitten has quit IRC[00:10:31] *** hackkitten has joined #haiku[00:11:45] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2357 of x86-FreeBSD-host is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://mmadia.dyndns.org:8010/builders/x86-FreeBSD-host/builds/2357[00:25:28] *** giannisk has quit IRC[00:36:40] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[00:38:21] *** freedomrun has quit IRC[00:41:04] *** linkslice has quit IRC[00:42:27] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[00:50:23] *** LadySerena has joined #haiku[00:51:03] *** bbjimmy-atwork- has joined #haiku[00:53:08] <LadySerena> * Make sure cats in computer are fed.[00:53:17] * LadySerena is fed[01:05:06] <LadySerena> http://www.haiku-os.org/files/gitProcess_0.png <-- just got feedback on this in #FreeBSD, the slice of pizza has been referred to as "that disgusting rotting thing"[01:05:28] <LadySerena> perhaps the pizza should be redrawn with more toppings and without the cheese hanging off the side[01:06:27] <umccullough> that's kallisti5's handiwork i think[01:06:34] <LadySerena> peeps in #FreeBSD also want to know what kind of pizza it is[01:06:45] <umccullough> it appears to be just...cheese[01:06:55] <umccullough> and sauce[01:06:58] <LadySerena> I agree[01:07:18] <umccullough> it would look far more appetizing next to a pint of beer[01:07:32] <LadySerena> XD[01:11:50] * umccullough wonders why #freebsd was providing feedback in the first place[01:14:43] <LadySerena> also, I seem to have gotten the buildtools to ./configure[01:14:55] <LadySerena> after doing sudo yum install zlib-devel[01:15:18] <umccullough> yes, isn't that listed in the dependencies?[01:16:06] <umccullough> it's listed here: http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/building/pre-reqs[01:16:32] <umccullough> the yum commandline is even provide[01:16:36] <umccullough> +d[01:16:40] <LadySerena> O_o[01:17:04] <LadySerena> and this is the problem I always face, I never really look at the deps list before diving right in[01:19:32] <umccullough> 's ok[01:19:42] <umccullough> i always point people there when they start asking questions ;)[01:20:09] <umccullough> there's quite a bit of useful detail here: http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/building[01:20:10] <LadySerena> there's a big update the website needs[01:20:16] <umccullough> but you gotta dig into the links and read through it[01:20:46] <umccullough> at least, several of us try to keep those updated[01:20:53] <LadySerena> http://www.haiku-os.org/guides/building/pre-reqs <-- pkg_* is deprecated as of October 2013 and does not exist in FreeBSD 10[01:21:02] <umccullough> ah[01:21:05] <LadySerena> the replacement is pkg[01:21:15] <LadySerena> I'll look up the command for pkg to install[01:21:35] <umccullough> we can split that section into < 10 and >= 10[01:21:41] <LadySerena> that works :D[01:21:45] <umccullough> just let me know[01:21:51] <LadySerena> and it's simply "pkg install"[01:22:10] <umccullough> so, this:[01:22:10] <umccullough> sudo pkg_add -r bison git yasm gawk texinfo cdrtools-devel wget u-boot mtools linuxfdisk curl[01:22:19] <umccullough> becomes: sudo pkg install -r bison git yasm gawk texinfo cdrtools-devel wget u-boot mtools linuxfdisk curl[01:22:20] <umccullough> ?[01:22:24] <umccullough> what about the -r[01:22:38] <LadySerena> remove the -r[01:22:40] <LadySerena> and yer good[01:22:59] <LadySerena> sudo pkg install bison git yasm gawk texinfo cdrtools-devel wget u-boot mtools linuxfdisk curl[01:24:12] <umccullough> updated[01:24:16] <LadySerena> :D[01:24:53] <umccullough> no fbsd machine here to test, sadly, so i'm taking your word for it[01:25:37] <LadySerena> you can always ask the peeps in #FreeBSD, or consult the FreeBSD Handbook: freebsd.org/doc/handbook[01:26:37] *** axeld has 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hardware database[14:29:27] <wysiwtf> but i could try the universal nvidia driver[14:29:31] <puckipedia> wysiwtf: Just try running it, if it doesn´t work, it will use VESA[14:30:19] <wysiwtf> guess ill build me a usb live stick later[14:30:36] <wysiwtf> but i can see a lot of problems, starting with UEFI ^^[14:30:47] <puckipedia> CSM should work[14:31:20] <puckipedia> Go into the BIOS, turn legacy mode on[14:33:29] <PulkoMandy> don't use the software on haikuware, it's mostly out of date or otherwise broken :([14:33:38] <PulkoMandy> but the hardware database should be ok[14:34:08] <PulkoMandy> anyway, if you can get it to boot (needs some BIOS compatibility), it should be ok[14:34:28] <PulkoMandy> we use network drivers from FreeBSD, so if that supports your hardware, it should work for Haiku as well[14:35:10] <PulkoMandy> and video works quite well with VESA, as fast as with the native drivers - but you may not get your native video mode if your VESA BIOS doesn't provide it[14:35:24] <PulkoMandy> well, it's easy to try and see what works and what doesn't[14:38:16] <wysiwtf> ok[14:38:21] *** hamishm__ has joined #haiku[14:38:37] *** hamishm has quit IRC[14:38:37] <wysiwtf> whats the status on the browser front?[14:38:51] <wysiwtf> PulkoMandy seems to fiddle around with webkit a lot ^^[14:39:27] <PulkoMandy> yes, we went from 'barely useable' to 'acceptable'[14:39:49] <PulkoMandy> still missing html5 video, webgl, and broken stuff like svg rendering[14:39:53] <PulkoMandy> I'm still working on it[14:40:33] <wysiwtf> =)[14:41:14] <wysiwtf> hardware opengl?[14:41:23] <wysiwtf> probably not or at least not with the vesa drivers[14:41:41] <PulkoMandy> not yet[14:42:12] <PulkoMandy> kallisti5 is working on that - we have llvm softpipe working, which gives acceptable software rendering performance[14:42:31] <PulkoMandy> but still an order of magnitude slower than hw acceleration[14:43:08] *** tgkokk has joined #haiku[14:48:24] <FreeFull> I don't think Web+ has proper plugin support either[14:48:32] <FreeFull> Maybe I'm wrong on that[14:50:04] *** NumberNoid_ has joined #haiku[14:51:29] *** tgkokk has quit IRC[14:52:20] <PulkoMandy> yes, that's missing too[14:52:33] <PulkoMandy> but we wouldn't have any plugins to run with it anyway[14:53:09] <FreeFull> Gnash, potentially?[14:53:17] <puckipedia> AdBlock?[14:53:25] *** poxip has joined #haiku[14:53:30] <puckipedia> like, userscripts[14:54:11] <PulkoMandy> puckipedia: that's extensions, not plugins[14:54:13] *** soakbot has quit IRC[14:54:29] *** soakbot has joined #haiku[14:54:29] <PulkoMandy> also, what's up with gnash? shouldn't we use shumway now?[14:54:31] *** Martini_ has joined #haiku[14:54:41] <PulkoMandy> http://mozilla.github.io/shumway/[14:55:06] *** ec_ has joined #haiku[14:55:17] *** Blub\0 has joined #haiku[14:55:35] <FreeFull> Shumway would be a bit slower[14:56:30] <FreeFull> It should already work in Web+ though, right?[14:57:48] <FreeFull> I wonder how hard it would be to get Lightspark working in Haiku[14:57:55] <PulkoMandy> we're still missing a lot of features[14:58:05] <PulkoMandy> but yes, some of it may work[14:59:19] <PulkoMandy> lightspark readme says you need cairo and gtk2[14:59:43] *** NumberNoid has quit IRC[14:59:45] *** leszek has quit IRC[14:59:56] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[14:59:58] *** mikedld has quit IRC[14:59:59] *** ec has quit IRC[15:00:01] *** Blub\w has quit IRC[15:00:05] *** yano has quit IRC[15:00:18] <FreeFull> Does Haiku have either ported?[15:00:34] <PulkoMandy> no[15:00:42] <PulkoMandy> we have all other dependencies, I think[15:00:53] <FreeFull> Cairo would probably be a lot easier than gtk2[15:01:54] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[15:04:38] *** hamishm has joined #haiku[15:08:31] *** ec has joined #haiku[15:09:19] *** Blub\1 has joined #haiku[15:09:44] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[15:09:44] *** mikedld has joined #haiku[15:10:26] *** freedomrun has joined #haiku[15:10:33] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[15:10:41] *** hamishm__ has 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waddlesplash has joined #haiku[16:06:35] *** leszek has joined #haiku[16:07:00] <leszek> re[16:07:38] *** stippi has quit IRC[16:08:04] *** stippi has joined #haiku[16:08:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[16:11:40] <mmu_man> Clover EFI Bootloader Is POTM; GitHub Import Tool; DevShare Relaunch[16:11:48] <mmu_man> eh, anyone tried it?[16:12:56] <stippi> Is that the one which can patch the supported VESA resolutions?[16:16:29] *** poxip has quit IRC[16:19:25] <mmu_man> dunno[16:19:40] <mmu_man> seems to be for PC with BIOS to run EFI aware OSes[16:23:40] <waddlesplash> Can it run non-efi tho?[16:24:15] <mmu_man> dunno[16:24:37] <PulkoMandy> seems so[16:24:40] <mmu_man> http://sourceforge.net/projects/cloverefiboot/[16:24:43] <PulkoMandy> Main features:[16:24:44] <PulkoMandy>[16:24:44] <PulkoMandy> - boot into 10.4 - 10.8 OSX, Windows EFI and Linux EFI[16:24:45] <PulkoMandy> - boot into LegacyOS (WindowsXP, Linux, DOS) by their bootsectors[16:24:46] <mmu_man> http://sourceforge.net/blog/february-2014-potm/[16:25:21] <waddlesplash> Ooh nice[16:25:35] <waddlesplash> So its GRUB for efi, it seems[16:25:58] <waddlesplash> I'll have to use that when I get an efi pc[16:32:04] *** freedomrun has quit IRC[16:32:40] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: seems it can boot from a BIOS as well[16:37:23] <puckipedia> I use rEFInd[16:37:45] <puckipedia> actaully[16:38:10] <puckipedia> It seems to be an UEFI implementation for BIOS, with built in rEFInd[16:45:22] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[16:45:30] *** HaikuUser is now known as scanty_[16:46:03] *** stippi has quit IRC[16:46:13] <scanty_> i am having trouble booting/installing haiku to it's own partition, is there anyone around that can offer some suggestions/help/etc?[16:46:30] *** valeriusL has quit IRC[16:46:33] <Diver> http://sourceforge.net/p/cloverefiboot/code/HEAD/tree/BiosVideo/ interesting, can we integrate this VBIOS patching code into our VESA driver or in the haiku_loader?[16:46:54] <Diver> scanty_: what's the problem?[16:47:11] <scanty_> ok, I put in a brand new hard drive, then with DriveSetup, create intel partition map[16:47:17] <scanty_> then i format the whole thing to BFS[16:47:27] <scanty_> I can see the drive from Installer[16:47:34] *** freedomrun has joined #haiku[16:47:34] <scanty_> but Installer does not recognise it as BFS[16:47:47] <scanty_> it can install to it however, but the result is a nonbootable drive[16:48:54] <scanty_> i made a screenshot, hold on[16:50:22] <PulkoMandy> drivesetup is horribly broken... again[16:50:26] *** Martini__ has joined #haiku[16:50:28] <PulkoMandy> use something else to partition your drive[16:50:35] *** stargater has joined #haiku[16:50:51] <stargater> hi[16:52:13] <scanty_> http://shell.reverse.net/~eli/incoming/screenshot1.png[16:52:21] <scanty_> as you can see, it does not recognise it as BFS[16:52:25] <scanty_> I tried linux FDISK[16:52:27] <scanty_> and same problem[16:52:48] <Diver> it does recognise it[16:53:01] <Diver> that's why it is enabled there[16:53:02] <scanty_> but not as BFS, it should say (Be File System) next to it AFAIK[16:53:36] *** Martini_ has quit IRC[16:53:44] <Diver> i think you can ignore it[16:53:49] *** Martini__ is now known as Martini_[16:53:55] <scanty_> well either way i cannot boot haiku from this drive.[16:54:02] <scanty_> i have GRUB setup to chainload properly[16:54:15] <scanty_> and I get to the Haiku Boot Manager and it says no boot volumes found[16:54:20] <scanty_> I even did a makebootable on the drive[16:55:37] <Diver> how did you boot into Haiku in the first place?[16:55:43] <Diver> via usb stick?[16:55:46] <scanty_> CD[16:56:13] *** PasNox has joined #haiku[16:58:01] <Diver> scanty: http://imgur.com/XE6Fx85[16:58:45] <scanty_> ok, so I guess *that* is not the problem[16:58:50] <scanty_> the problem now becomes why can't it boot[16:58:51] <Diver> yup[16:59:24] <Diver> tried changing AHCI to IDE/Legacy/whatever in your BIOS?[16:59:37] <scanty_> no i have not touched my BIOS[16:59:59] <scanty_> and have no IDE devices here[17:00:15] <Diver> that doesn't matter[17:00:38] <scanty_> will that affect other OS on my machine?[17:00:42] <puckipedia> yes[17:00:50] <puckipedia> Windows won´t boot anymore afaik[17:01:00] <puckipedia> You just need to turn it back afterwards[17:01:17] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[17:01:28] <scanty_> that's kind of lame....[17:01:31] <scanty_> there's no other way?[17:01:34] <Diver> as you can see haiku currently uses ahci driver (it publishes drives in /dev/disk/scsi/...)[17:02:17] <Diver> we don't even know if this is the way you can fix your problem[17:02:27] <Diver> just try changing it and see how it goes[17:03:05] <scanty_> ok brb[17:03:13] *** scanty_ has quit IRC[17:05:39] *** valeriusL has joined #haiku[17:09:03] <stargater> Diver: it this a new installer in haiku ? http://imgur.com/XE6Fx85[17:09:27] <Diver> nope, same old[17:09:41] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[17:09:42] <stargater> ok[17:09:42] *** HaikuUser is now known as scanty_[17:09:49] <scanty_> ok IDE worked.[17:10:28] <Diver> oh really? it should't have![17:10:48] <Diver> Since at this stage haiku_loader shouldn't care about it[17:11:01] <Diver> i think it might be a problem with your grub setup[17:11:24] <scanty_> menuentry "Haiku" {[17:11:41] <scanty_> boot=(hd1,msdos1)[17:11:47] <scanty_> chainloader +1[17:11:49] <scanty_> }[17:12:34] <Diver> https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/booting/bootmanagers[17:12:58] <scanty_> yeah that's what i meant[17:13:01] <scanty_> sorry going from memory[17:13:04] <scanty_> set root=....[17:13:16] <scanty_> maybe get rid of the msdos part?[17:13:26] <Diver> maybe[17:13:35] <Diver> try installing BootManager[17:13:47] <Diver> and see if you can boot Haiku in ahci mode[17:13:58] <Diver> then you can revert to grub[17:14:08] <scanty_> bootmanager doesn't boot from a second hard drive afair.[17:14:12] *** tgkokk has joined #haiku[17:14:16] <scanty_> and if i install bootman i can't get back into freebsd[17:15:23] <scanty_> os-prober and update-grub are ubuntu things.[17:16:13] <Diver> фр[17:16:14] <Diver> ah[17:17:16] <Diver> if you can install Haiku in ahci mode, then there should be a way to boot it[17:17:54] *** humdinger has quit IRC[17:18:25] <Diver> I still think that grub might get in the way somehow[17:18:50] <scanty_> let me play with grub for a minute[17:18:50] <scanty_> brb[17:18:57] *** scanty_ has quit IRC[17:23:03] <PulkoMandy> Diver: I'm opening a ticket for that video mode trick[17:23:08] <PulkoMandy> doesn't sound too hard[17:24:47] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[17:25:01] *** scanty_ has joined #haiku[17:25:08] <scanty_> ok i figured it out[17:25:16] <scanty_> my BIOS was doing AHCI+RAID[17:25:20] <scanty_> but haiku didn't like that[17:25:23] <scanty_> so i changed it to just AHCI[17:25:45] <Diver> interesting[17:26:33] <Diver> PulkoMandy: please do then![17:27:38] *** daniele_athome has joined #haiku[17:28:42] *** [r4] has joined #haiku[17:28:44] <scanty_> well, i'm happy now.[17:28:48] <PulkoMandy> Diver: also, this is a hack and apparently can't work everywhere[17:28:52] <scanty_> let me try 64-bit[17:29:10] *** scanty_ has quit IRC[17:29:21] <puckipedia> Just FYI: 64-bit isn´t as well-tested as 32[17:29:24] <PulkoMandy> you need a compatible video card (so the besa bios structures are in a known format) and chipset (so patching the BIOS at runtime is possible)[17:29:26] <puckipedia> oh[17:31:34] *** stargater has quit IRC[17:33:00] <Diver> PulkoMandy: still better than nothing :-)[17:34:07] <Diver> i'm wondering where this kind of thing should live? in vesa driver or in haiku_loader?[17:34:35] <puckipedia> Diver: VESA driver, I think[17:34:46] <puckipedia> Just change haiku_loader that you can choose your own resolution[17:36:28] <Diver> aha, well, now we need someone who can actually code the thing (i.e. not me) :-P[17:37:08] <scanty> ok i noticed two things on 64-bit[17:37:20] <scanty> ssh does not authtenticate[17:37:29] <puckipedia> I said, just when you were gone: ¨Just FYI: 64-bit isn´t as well-tested as 32¨[17:37:33] <scanty> and webpositive crashes immediately[17:37:48] <scanty> brb[17:38:51] <scanty> yes, i'm aware of that and i would like to try to help fix bugs or do whatever to get it up to speed[17:38:53] <Diver> webpositive crash on launch is a known bug[17:39:19] <scanty> is there another browser i can use?[17:39:44] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[17:39:49] <PulkoMandy> puckipedia: actually, the VESA driver already gets the display resolution from EDID[17:39:57] <PulkoMandy> so you wouldn't even need to select it by hand[17:40:09] <puckipedia> But can´t the hack use every resolution?[17:40:10] *** tgkokk_ has joined #haiku[17:40:16] *** LadySerena has joined #haiku[17:40:37] *** tgkokk has quit IRC[17:41:14] <scanty> also vision will not start[17:41:22] <scanty> missing symbol _get_system_info[17:41:28] <puckipedia> hmm[17:41:32] <puckipedia> I think it isn´t updated?[17:41:35] <Diver> yeah, it needs to be rebuilt[17:41:42] <scanty> how can i do that?[17:41:50] <Diver> install haikuporter[17:41:51] <puckipedia> pdziepak added a scheduler, allowing more than 8 cpus[17:41:52] *** tgkokk_ is now known as tgkokk[17:41:56] <scanty> i need a browser and an irc client[17:42:02] <scanty> at the least[17:42:06] <scanty> to get some work done[17:42:27] <Diver> i don't think there is a working browser for x86_64 haiku yet[17:42:50] <Diver> well lynx might work[17:42:57] *** stippi has joined #haiku[17:42:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[17:43:03] *** puckipedia is now known as puckipedia|away[17:43:38] <Diver> AFAIR, web+ never really worked in x86_64, always crashing on start[17:43:45] <Diver> PulkoMandy: do you know why, btw?[17:44:38] *** [r4] has quit IRC[17:45:01] *** puckipedia|away is now known as puckipedia[17:45:30] <Diver> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/10432[17:46:33] <Diver> it crashes in WebCore::BUrlProtocolHandler::sendResponseIfNeeded[17:46:56] <Diver> so somewhere in our code I guess[17:48:10] <PulkoMandy> well it worked, and then I changed a method in services kit[17:48:24] <PulkoMandy> it just needs to be rebuilt, but the latest release didn't compile on x86_64[17:50:59] *** luroh has joined #haiku[17:51:28] <Diver> do we have gcc 4.8 on x86-64 yet?[17:51:49] *** stippi has quit IRC[17:51:57] <scanty> yes[17:52:00] <scanty> 4.8.2 here[17:52:20] <PulkoMandy> yes, last attempt to compile was with 4.7 however[17:52:28] <PulkoMandy> so maybe a rebuild from haikuporter will work[17:52:39] <scanty> how can i rebuild it from haikuporter[17:52:44] <scanty> i would like to try but have no idea[17:53:37] <Diver> scanty: https://github.com/haiku/webkit#haiku-webkit[17:55:48] *** Dane_ has quit IRC[17:56:49] <Diver> scanty: I think x86 should be changed to x86_64[17:57:32] <irker-650> haiku.master: stippi * hrev46894 [4 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=b935e4d+%5Ee75f469[17:57:32] <irker-650> 8e8869a: Fix more Freetype build feature dependencies in app_server[17:57:33] <irker-650> ab29480: PackageInstaller: Increase install type description height[17:57:33] <irker-650> 24c156d: app_server: Don't offset first glyph with additional spacing[17:57:34] <irker-650> b935e4d: HaikuDepot, text stuff: Removed work around.[17:58:37] *** humdinger has quit IRC[17:59:40] <scanty> first off i would like to rebuild vision[17:59:48] <scanty> are there instructions for that, too>?[18:00:38] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: if we implement the vesa hack, does this mean we can drop the raedon, Intel, and nv drivers?[18:00:47] <Diver> scanty: you need to get haikuporter first[18:00:58] <waddlesplash> scanty: are you a newcomer to haiku?[18:00:59] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: we'd better keep them for when we want to do hardware acceleration[18:01:29] <PulkoMandy> scanty: with haikuporter installed, just ./haikuporter vision[18:01:36] <PulkoMandy> and ./haikuporter haikuwebkit[18:01:38] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: when we do that, it'll be with Gallium, and Gallium *has* drivers for all three of those already[18:01:59] <waddlesplash> So ours are useless, trslly[18:02:04] <waddlesplash> *really[18:02:13] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: it has driver for the 3d pipeline, but not for the modesetting, I think[18:02:23] <PulkoMandy> (this is done in the linux kernel side of the drivers)[18:02:33] <waddlesplash> wt!?[18:02:40] <waddlesplash> ....[18:02:54] <scanty> okay[18:03:01] <scanty> i'm new to this haikuporter stuff[18:03:02] <scanty> sorry[18:03:20] <waddlesplash> Ok, so we'll just have to disable them for now[18:03:31] <scanty> been a longtime BeOS user[18:03:50] <waddlesplash> Actually, we should just scrap the nv* ones, they're pretty useless[18:04:16] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: also, native drivers are needed for dual screen support, configurable refresh rates, and so on[18:04:30] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[18:04:37] <PulkoMandy> and, as I said, the vesa hack requires a compatible motherboard chipset[18:04:43] <PulkoMandy> so it's not a general solution[18:05:01] <Diver> https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/video/nvidia[18:08:01] <waddlesplash> Diver: useless, they support only up to GF7xxx[18:08:06] *** tgkokk has quit IRC[18:08:29] <scanty> looks like it's unpacking buildtools.git[18:08:30] <waddlesplash> We need ones that support 3xx-7xx[18:08:33] <puckipedia> scanty[18:08:34] <scanty> guess i'm getting somewhere[18:08:34] <puckipedia> yep[18:08:46] <puckipedia> Although it is somewhat optional[18:08:50] <waddlesplash> Um, no[18:08:57] <waddlesplash> That'll take forever[18:08:59] <puckipedia> You can use the built-in dependencies[18:09:25] <waddlesplash> scanty: you don't want to do that, it'll build a whole GCC and everything[18:09:32] <scanty> oh[18:09:35] <waddlesplash> Use --no-dependencies ;-)[18:09:40] <scanty> well i just want to build vision[18:09:56] <waddlesplash> It might ask you to install some -dev packages tho[18:10:23] <scanty> svn not available[18:10:32] <puckipedia> pkgman install subversion[18:10:38] <scanty> ah[18:10:40] <scanty> thanks[18:11:09] <scanty> thanks guys for helping me get up to speed[18:11:14] <scanty> i reallly appreciate it[18:11:26] <puckipedia> Actually, if you don't know already[18:11:36] <puckipedia> ~/config and /system are read-only mostly[18:11:39] *** JoFo has quit IRC[18:12:00] <puckipedia> If you need to copy files into there, do it in non-packaged[18:13:41] <scanty> ok, "grabbing vision_source-0.97... .hpkg and putting it into /boot/home/haikuports/packages[18:13:47] <scanty> now what?[18:14:09] <puckipedia> Copy ~/haikuports/packages/vision-0.97*.hpkg to ~/config/packages[18:14:16] <puckipedia> And it should show in Deskbar[18:14:25] <puckipedia> at least, you don't need the _source[18:15:01] <scanty> ok done that[18:15:49] <scanty> oh there we go[18:15:50] <puckipedia> You should now have your new Vision[18:16:17] <scanty> it works now[18:16:18] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[18:16:20] <puckipedia> Woo[18:16:27] *** HaikuUser is now known as scanty_[18:16:52] <scanty_> ok cool[18:16:53] <scanty_> thanks[18:16:59] <scanty_> now i will try and build webkit[18:17:09] <PulkoMandy> that's going to take longer[18:17:17] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[18:17:31] <PulkoMandy> and, please upload the packages somewhere (both vision and haikuwebkit) so we can add them to the repos[18:19:19] <scanty_> http://shell.reverse.net/~eli/incoming/vision-0.9.7.r949_2-x86_64.hpkg[18:22:39] <scanty_> trying to install dependencies, having issues[18:22:52] <scanty_> no match for sqlite_x86-64-devel, for example[18:23:00] <puckipedia> pkgman install sqlite_devel?[18:23:10] <scanty_> oh just sqlite_devel?[18:23:22] <puckipedia> should work...[18:23:31] <scanty_> gotcha[18:27:14] <scanty_> 'k downloading webkit[18:38:47] <scanty_> hmmm i can't play wavs.[18:40:47] <scanty_> whatever.wav could not be opened. Error: General System Error[18:44:15] *** scanty_ has quit IRC[18:44:18] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[18:44:49] *** HaikuUser is now known as scanty_[18:44:53] <scanty_> ok one thing at a time i guess[18:44:56] <scanty_> just got kdled[18:45:01] <scanty_> going to let this build, bbl[18:46:33] *** DKnoto has joined #haiku[18:46:57] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[18:49:51] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[18:54:10] *** JoFo has joined #haiku[18:59:40] *** arselinux has joined #haiku[19:05:30] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[19:05:44] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[19:05:44] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[19:05:57] <ddavid123> Hello everyone![19:06:13] <puckipedia> Hi![19:06:28] <ddavid123> How are things going?[19:07:16] <ddavid123> It has been quite a while since I was here.[19:07:23] <puckipedia> Well, there have been plans to bootstrap ppc, PulkoMandy has an arm pc-on-a-stick with serial[19:07:47] <ddavid123> Sounds cool![19:08:10] <ddavid123> I love the new scheduler improvements![19:08:27] <ddavid123> Much more smooth and faster![19:08:44] <ddavid123> CPU load is much lower![19:09:34] <puckipedia> Also, JS performance in HaikuWebkit has been quintipled iirc[19:11:17] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[19:17:46] <ddavid123> quintipled? wow, that is an improvement![19:18:21] *** kcj has joined #haiku[19:21:15] <ddavid123> Any idea when a possible Alpha 5 will be in the works? My lowly opinion is that they should wait until all the GSOC 2014 work has been merged and pounded a bit.[19:22:05] <ddavid123> So maybe an Alpha 5 before the start of GSOC.[19:23:21] <gordonjcp> I haven't built a fresh one since I accidentally the whole /home partition[19:23:48] <gordonjcp> also the weather has been semidecent so I've been working on my car in the evenings[19:24:40] <ddavid123> gordonjcp: you build your own install? Wow that is cool![19:25:00] <gordonjcp> ddavid123: my computer is fast, my internet connection is slow[19:25:10] <gordonjcp> it's quicker to build a nightly than download an image[19:25:37] <ddavid123> really, I thought it would be the other way around.[19:26:41] <ddavid123> Has the build method chaged since the PM work was merged? Is there a seperate step to package everything?[19:27:42] <gordonjcp> nope[19:27:46] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[19:27:49] <gordonjcp> just jam -q @nightly-anyboot[19:28:05] <ddavid123> Awesome, so just config and build? Awesome.[19:28:54] <gordonjcp> yup[19:29:06] <gordonjcp> it's even easier building from within Haiku, because you don't need to build the cross tools[19:29:25] <puckipedia> Although that sometimes causes problems[19:29:33] <ddavid123> Yea, I tried that once, but it was not bootable.[19:29:36] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[19:30:30] *** humdinger_ has joined #haiku[19:30:57] <ddavid123> Hello Humdinger![19:31:22] <humdinger_> hi ddavid123[19:31:47] <ddavid123> If I remember correctly, Haiku KDL'ed all the time during compilation.[19:32:02] <ddavid123> How are things Hummer?[19:32:31] <humdinger_> besides my bad internet connection... fine[19:33:04] <ddavid123> I sense a bit of frustration in your text![19:33:29] <humdinger_> nah... it keeps comeing back eventually. :)[19:33:35] <ddavid123> Internet sucks, it is too unpredictable[19:33:50] <gordonjcp> I want AX.25 networking for Haiku[19:33:51] <humdinger_> BBS rulz![19:34:00] <ddavid123> I hope it does not cut out durring a git merge! lol[19:34:10] <gordonjcp> I've run a MUD over AX.25[19:34:26] *** humdinger has quit IRC[19:34:26] *** humdinger_ is now known as humdinger[19:34:28] <gordonjcp> because both MUDs and amateur radio aren't nerdy enough on their own[19:34:59] <ddavid123> speak for yourself! :P lol[19:35:16] <gordonjcp> I'm always looking for new ways to push the nerdiness event horizon[19:35:21] <puckipedia> My iBook has a modem, there's just no Dutch dial-in bbses[19:36:10] <ddavid123> Mmmm, dial-up! Those were the golden years.[19:37:34] <ddavid123> I gots ot go, Dr. appointment! You know how that goes......the more you go, the more you have wrong with you.[19:37:47] <ddavid123> Peace![19:37:53] <puckipedia> Also, I'm trying to get i586-elf-gcc building[19:38:11] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[19:38:48] <gordonjcp> puckipedia: get an amateur radio licence, see if you can get into any packet BBSes ;-)[19:39:08] <puckipedia> Is there any minimum age?[19:39:17] <gordonjcp> depends where you are[19:39:24] <gordonjcp> in the UK/EU, I don't think so[19:39:26] <puckipedia> Netherlands[19:39:43] <gordonjcp> my mate's eight-year-old daughter got her Foundation licence[19:40:28] <gordonjcp> interesting, you have to be licensed to even own a transmitter in .nl[19:40:43] <gordonjcp> in .uk you can own anything you like, you're just not allowed to transmit into an aerial[19:40:53] <puckipedia> hmm[19:40:58] <puckipedia> It seems I need to take a test[19:41:54] <puckipedia> multiple-choice, that is[19:42:15] <gordonjcp> don't see anything about an age limit[19:42:16] <gordonjcp> yeah[19:42:28] <gordonjcp> if you passed high school physics you'll pass the exam, pretty much[19:42:38] <puckipedia> 14[19:43:27] <puckipedia> I haven't yet passed[19:43:37] <gordonjcp> okay[19:43:47] <puckipedia> So, yeah[19:44:04] <gordonjcp> so if you had a walkie-talkie, would you get better coverage if you stood on top of a hill, or right at the bottom?[19:44:07] *** humdinger_ has joined #haiku[19:44:18] <puckipedia> Depends where the other walkie-talkie is[19:44:33] <puckipedia> If it was on top of the same hill, I would have better coverage on top of the hill[19:44:54] <puckipedia> As far as I can read, I need to know this: http://www.agentschaptelecom.nl/sites/default/files/exameneisen-n_0.pdf[19:44:57] <gordonjcp> there are lots of other walkie talkies scattered around[19:45:12] <puckipedia> Then it would be on top of the hill, I think[19:45:22] <gordonjcp> bingo[19:45:33] <puckipedia> http://www.radio-examen.nl/[19:45:35] <gordonjcp> that's pretty much representative of the sort of questions for the UK Foundation licence[19:45:42] <gordonjcp> yeah, that PDF looks about right[19:46:02] <gordonjcp> I don't read Dutch but it's amazing what you can grok from the context[19:46:56] *** humdinger has quit IRC[19:46:57] *** humdinger_ is now known as humdinger[19:47:13] <gordonjcp> right[19:47:23] <gordonjcp> I'd better go and put the heater back together in the Mangy Rover[19:47:29] <gordonjcp> especially if I want to drive it tomorrow[19:57:49] *** humdinger_ has joined #haiku[19:59:32] <irker-650> haiku.master: humdinger * hrev46895 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=9de067d+%5Eb935e4d[19:59:33] <irker-650> 9de067d: Added UberTuber and youtube-dl to HaikuPorts repo[20:00:59] *** humdinger has quit IRC[20:00:59] *** humdinger_ is now known as humdinger[20:01:19] *** JoFo has quit IRC[20:08:21] *** Diver has quit IRC[20:09:50] *** Diver has joined #haiku[20:10:36] *** humdinger_ has joined #haiku[20:13:03] *** idefix_gromit has joined 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<PulkoMandy> but not in the released version, I guess[21:53:31] <scanty_> PulkoMandy, do you actually have a version that compiles?[21:53:46] <PulkoMandy> I didn't test on x86_64[21:54:04] <PulkoMandy> the head of the git repo compiles on x86, but it has some rendering bugs[21:54:12] <PulkoMandy> which is why I didn't release it yet[21:54:44] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[21:54:47] <scanty_> i see.... is there any way i can get that version?[21:55:01] <PulkoMandy> http://github.com/haiku/webkit[21:55:23] <scanty_> how do i check that out?[21:55:33] <scanty_> git clone?[21:55:40] <PulkoMandy> yes[21:55:55] <PulkoMandy> there is a download button somewhere if you want a tar.gz[21:56:11] <scanty_> i can't browse... remember.[21:56:43] <puckipedia> just git clone that url[21:56:51] <scanty_> doing so now, thanks.[21:57:23] <scanty_> i wish i could play some music.... :-([21:57:35] <gordonjcp> there's a media player[21:57:44] <scanty_> i know but it won't play any of my wavs.[21:57:46] *** 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Error: General System Error[21:58:42] *** [Beta] has joined #haiku[21:59:04] <puckipedia> I guess there's no ffmpeg for 64bit?[21:59:27] <scanty_> i need ffmpeg for wavs, even?[21:59:49] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[21:59:49] <puckipedia> maybe[22:00:15] <gordonjcp> scanty_: is this one you've compiled yourself?[22:00:26] <scanty_> nope[22:00:30] <scanty_> this is what came with haiku[22:00:32] <gordonjcp> weird[22:00:38] <gordonjcp> wfm, sorry[22:00:51] <gordonjcp> is the file even valid?[22:00:58] <scanty_> yes i have tried several[22:01:15] <gordonjcp> what kind of sound card?[22:01:34] <scanty_> intel HDA[22:01:42] <scanty_> shows up in media prefs[22:01:45] <scanty_> mixer and everything[22:01:50] <gordonjcp> how are you getting the wav files in?[22:02:10] <scanty_> i tried off my external hard drive, same error, so i copied one to the desktop, and same error[22:02:13] <scanty_> so it is not the drive[22:02:17] <gordonjcp> strange[22:02:18] *** kneekoo has joined #haiku[22:02:28] <gordonjcp> well I've got to finish putting the car back together, but I'll have a play later[22:02:32] <gordonjcp> is this with the latest nightly?[22:02:41] <scanty_> it's from a few days ago[22:03:13] <gordonjcp> okay[22:03:28] <gordonjcp> are the wav files anything special?[22:03:51] <scanty_> nope just regular wavs i ripped myself off vinyl[22:03:55] <puckipedia> Argh[22:03:56] <puckipedia> checking for shl_load... configure: error: Link tests are not allowed after GCC_NO_EXECUTABLES.[22:04:13] *** mikedld has quit IRC[22:04:17] <scanty_> they played fine in linux, play fine in freebsd, and play fine in windows[22:04:37] <scanty_> and mac os[22:05:16] *** Diver has quit IRC[22:05:24] *** johndrinkwater has quit IRC[22:05:28] *** soakbot has quit IRC[22:05:29] *** irker-650 has quit IRC[22:05:40] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[22:05:51] *** slubman has quit IRC[22:05:52] *** kyzh has quit IRC[22:05:56] *** jrabbit has quit IRC[22:05:58] *** Tzibu has quit IRC[22:06:04] *** earthnat1ve has quit IRC[22:06:07] *** brobostigon-quas has quit IRC[22:06:08] *** Necrosan has quit IRC[22:06:09] *** AmineKhaldi has quit IRC[22:06:09] *** Plazma has quit IRC[22:06:10] *** lewellyn has quit IRC[22:06:11] *** Cenbe has quit IRC[22:06:16] *** ex-parrot has quit IRC[22:06:28] *** Vampyre has quit IRC[22:06:36] *** munchausen has quit IRC[22:06:36] *** Gareth has quit IRC[22:06:39] *** TkTech has quit IRC[22:06:45] *** yosafbridge has quit IRC[22:06:46] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[22:06:49] *** bedouin has quit IRC[22:06:52] *** nighty^_ has quit IRC[22:06:56] *** Sue has quit IRC[22:06:57] *** Bigcheese has quit IRC[22:06:59] *** IIsi50MHz has quit IRC[22:07:02] *** Beretta021 has quit IRC[22:07:04] *** qbit has quit IRC[22:07:05] <puckipedia> netsplit[22:07:06] <puckipedia> I'm at the wrong end of the split, I think[22:07:06] <gordonjcp> scanty_: how big are they? Can you zip one up and upload it somewhere?[22:07:06] <gordonjcp> puckipedia: I see you[22:07:13] <puckipedia> nope, good side[22:07:22] <puckipedia> I thought more people would quit, but I'm at the majority[22:07:22] *** slubman has joined #haiku[22:07:22] *** kyzh has joined #haiku[22:07:22] *** Plazma has joined #haiku[22:07:22] *** jrabbit has joined #haiku[22:07:22] *** Tzibu has joined #haiku[22:07:22] *** earthnat1ve has joined #haiku[22:07:23] *** brobostigon-quas has joined #haiku[22:07:23] *** Necrosan has joined #haiku[22:07:23] *** AmineKhaldi has joined #haiku[22:07:23] *** lewellyn has joined #haiku[22:07:23] *** Cenbe has joined #haiku[22:07:26] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[22:07:26] *** qbit has joined #haiku[22:07:26] *** nighty^_ has joined #haiku[22:07:27] *** Sue has joined #haiku[22:07:27] *** IIsi50MHz has joined #haiku[22:07:27] *** Beretta021 has joined #haiku[22:07:33] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[22:07:35] <gordonjcp> puckipedia: whether you consider that the wrong end or not is a matter of personal preference I guess ;-)[22:07:35] *** yosafbridge has joined #haiku[22:07:36] <scanty_> hold on i'll upload one[22:07:36] *** bedouin has joined #haiku[22:07:37] <gordonjcp> scanty_: no rush, I'm about to go outside and finish putting the dashboard back in the Mangy Rover[22:07:38] <PulkoMandy> blargh[22:07:38] *** Bigcheese has joined #haiku[22:07:42] * PulkoMandy updated WebKit to latest version and it breaks gmail even more[22:08:15] *** ex-parrot has joined #haiku[22:08:15] *** Vampyre has joined #haiku[22:08:15] *** munchausen has joined #haiku[22:08:15] *** Gareth has joined #haiku[22:08:15] *** TkTech has joined #haiku[22:08:18] <Skipp_OSX> :([22:08:24] *** ex-parrot has quit IRC[22:10:54] <scanty_> gordonjcp: upoloading, hold on.[22:10:56] *** ex-parrot has joined #haiku[22:12:43] *** FreemanLou has quit IRC[22:14:53] *** mikedld has joined #haiku[22:15:47] *** scanty_ has quit IRC[22:16:28] *** Tzibu_ has joined #haiku[22:17:03] *** lewellyn has quit IRC[22:17:16] *** 6JTABAGCX has joined #haiku[22:17:17] *** 17WAA5I37 has joined #haiku[22:18:01] *** Tzibu has quit IRC[22:18:49] *** Necrosan has quit IRC[22:19:33] *** juser has joined #haiku[22:19:40] <scanty> gordonjcp: http://shell.reverse.net/~eli/test.wav[22:21:00] <scanty> is there a mail client for haiku that can do gmail imap?[22:21:10] <gordonjcp> scanty: 404 ;-)[22:21:18] *** Guest73638 has joined #haiku[22:21:22] <scanty> gordonjcp: hold on[22:21:59] <scanty> try now[22:22:08] <gordonjcp> getting[22:22:43] *** Xenmen has joined #haiku[22:25:55] *** pdziepak has joined #haiku[22:27:50] <scanty> wow webkit is huge[22:29:32] *** Muzer has quit IRC[22:29:55] *** Plazma_ has joined #haiku[22:30:12] *** earthnative has joined #haiku[22:30:58] <scanty> gordonjcp: mp3s play fine[22:31:03] <scanty> wavs do not![22:31:48] *** luroh has quit IRC[22:32:21] *** luroh has joined #haiku[22:32:38] <PulkoMandy> scanty: Beam does imap[22:32:57] <luroh> scanty: fwiw, here's a wav that works for me, http://inspectorclouseau.com/sounds/piano.wav[22:33:04] <luroh> i'll try yours as well[22:33:55] <scanty> luroh, your wav works fine[22:34:01] <scanty> perhaps it's to do with the size of my wav[22:34:34] <scanty> PulkoMandy, cool.... how would I get beam, again?[22:35:12] *** stippi has joined #haiku[22:35:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[22:35:15] <puckipedia> haikuporter?[22:35:53] <scanty> says the recipe is broken[22:36:07] <luroh> scanty: perhaps, or the devil is in the details such as bit or sample rate. i seem to remember that being a problem in the past[22:36:49] <scanty> i dunno, my ADC goes up to 384K, but I sampled at 44.1K so I wouldn't run into issues like that.[22:37:08] <PulkoMandy> scanty: fix the recipe then[22:37:24] <PulkoMandy> if you're lucky, you just need to add x86_64 to the list of architectures in it[22:37:34] <scanty> how do i do that? (sorry again)[22:38:00] <puckipedia> open the recipe (cd haikuports/*/beam/)[22:38:05] <puckipedia> Then choose the newest[22:39:11] *** Muzer has joined #haiku[22:39:55] <luroh> scanty: right, i'm thinking more along the lines of it being a haiku problem, rather than a hw problem[22:40:00] *** ex-parrot has quit IRC[22:40:17] *** Vampyre has quit IRC[22:40:23] *** munchausen has quit IRC[22:40:23] *** Gareth has quit IRC[22:40:25] *** TkTech has quit IRC[22:40:36] *** slubman has quit IRC[22:40:37] *** kyzh has quit IRC[22:40:40] *** jrabbit has quit IRC[22:40:46] *** earthnat1ve has quit IRC[22:40:48] *** brobostigon-quas has quit IRC[22:40:50] *** AmineKhaldi has quit IRC[22:40:50] *** Plazma has quit IRC[22:40:51] *** Cenbe has quit IRC[22:40:52] <luroh> if you could repeat the problem with a tiny test.wav, it'd be a nice test case for a bug ticket[22:40:52] *** brobostigon-quas has joined #haiku[22:41:04] <scanty> yeah, i'll work on that after i get mail working[22:41:11] <scanty> i'm trying to get at least a usable system[22:41:13] <scanty> so i can do some work[22:41:18] <scanty> Encountered problems resolving package dependencies:[22:41:19] <scanty> 1: nothing provides devel:liblayout>=1.4.0 needed by faked_beam-1.2alpha-3[22:41:27] <luroh> (and yep, i'm seeing the 'General system error' here on gcc2 haiku as well)[22:42:02] <puckipedia> pkgman install liblayout_devel[22:42:07] <puckipedia> iirc[22:42:46] <scanty> not found[22:42:56] <scanty> hehe, just when i was getting used to freebsd ports[22:43:01] <scanty> now i have to get used to haiku[22:43:02] <puckipedia> Open HaikuDepot[22:43:30] <scanty> i can't browse[22:43:34] <scanty> yet[22:43:37] <puckipedia> It's an app[22:43:41] <scanty> oh[22:44:03] *** Cenbe has joined #haiku[22:44:05] <scanty> dont' see anything for liblayout[22:45:32] <puckipedia> hmm[22:45:42] <bbjimmy> options Show Development Packages[22:45:50] <PulkoMandy> probably not available for x86_64 either?[22:45:57] <puckipedia> In the top menu, is there an option[22:45:59] <puckipedia> ah[22:46:06] <bbjimmy> make sure there is a chack[22:46:12] <scanty> it's checked[22:46:14] <scanty> still nothing[22:46:20] <PulkoMandy> and, it's closed source, so you have to get one of the devs that has access to it to build it :/[22:46:40] <scanty> that sucks[22:46:54] <bbjimmy> Tools refresh depots[22:47:23] <scanty> nope still nothing, oh well[22:47:27] <scanty> i guess i'm not getting mail.[22:47:58] <bbjimmy> set up gmail for pop3 and leve a copy on the server.[22:48:26] <bbjimmy> pop3 works fine with gmail.[22:48:42] <scanty> i know, i just don't like haiku's default mail app[22:49:01] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[22:49:44] *** leszek has quit IRC[22:49:55] <bbjimmy> It takes some getting used to, but being able to query for mail is cool![22:50:10] <scanty> ok, so next question, how do I build webkit?[22:50:44] *** NumberNoid__ has joined #haiku[22:51:52] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[22:52:33] *** poxip1 has joined 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for compiling on a gcc2 hybrid image now?[23:02:53] <puckipedia> setarch or setgcc[23:02:56] <puckipedia> can't remember[23:03:06] *** wysiwtf has joined #haiku[23:03:10] <jua_> better even, tell the build system to use gcc-x86[23:03:17] <bbjimmy> setgcc worked pre PM.[23:03:22] <puckipedia> Then it's setarch[23:03:50] <bbjimmy> setarch gcc-x86?[23:04:02] <puckipedia> setarch x86 to open a gcc4 shell[23:04:16] <puckipedia> But haikuporter should do this automatically[23:05:11] <scanty> ok, so how do i build a new gcc?[23:05:16] <PulkoMandy> scanty: use haikuporter[23:05:26] <puckipedia> haikuporter gcc[23:05:30] <scanty> oh okay[23:05:34] <scanty> didn't know it was that easy ;-)[23:05:47] *** freedomrun has joined #haiku[23:05:51] <puckipedia> Just remember, the answer to "how do I build X" is probably "haikuporter X"[23:05:58] <puckipedia> Does Haiku have a haikuporter recipe?[23:06:05] <PulkoMandy> no[23:06:07] <puckipedia> "How do I build Haiku?" "haikuporter haiku"[23:06:27] <PulkoMandy> you'd get haiku.hpkg[23:06:54] *** bigbluehat has joined #haiku[23:06:54] *** bedouin has joined #haiku[23:06:54] *** slubman has joined #haiku[23:06:54] *** jrabbit has joined #haiku[23:06:55] *** AmineKhaldi has joined #haiku[23:06:55] *** kyzh has joined #haiku[23:06:55] *** ex-parrot has joined #haiku[23:06:56] *** Vampyre has joined #haiku[23:06:56] *** munchausen has joined #haiku[23:06:56] *** Gareth has joined #haiku[23:06:56] *** TkTech has joined #haiku[23:07:00] <PulkoMandy> (and even getting that would be a bit tricky)[23:07:00] <puckipedia> Welcome back![23:07:01] <luroh> i wonder what's wrong with his gcc though, as gcc4.8.2_2014_01_28 seems to be the latest version available for x86[23:07:02] *** ex-parrot has quit IRC[23:07:08] *** kyzh is now known as Guest10977[23:08:29] <PulkoMandy> luroh: only the revision of the recipe was changed[23:08:37] <PulkoMandy> same sources, just different compiler options[23:08:56] <luroh> oh, makes sense, thanks for clarifying[23:09:24] *** ex-parrot has joined #haiku[23:10:29] *** Plazma_ is now known as Plazma[23:13:04] <luroh> scanty: again, fwiw, your test.wav doesn't play here in linux either. gstreamer complains: 'couldn't determine type of stream'[23:13:33] <scanty> hmm that's strange.... i made all the wavs in linux[23:13:38] <scanty> with audacity[23:13:42] <luroh> vlc doesn't play it either[23:14:15] <luroh> nor does xine[23:14:23] <gordonjcp> scanty: that's not a .wav file[23:15:30] <gordonjcp> what did you create it with?[23:15:51] <luroh> even audacity doesn't recognize it either[23:16:00] <scanty> audacity.[23:16:21] <scanty> ripped from vinyl through ADC to audacity, then exported as wav[23:16:38] <gordonjcp> it doesn't even resemble a .wav file[23:16:59] <puckipedia> What happens if you run `file` on it[23:17:00] <puckipedia> ?[23:17:14] <gordonjcp> it just says "data"[23:17:18] <puckipedia> lol[23:17:23] <puckipedia> Is it a raw sound file?[23:17:35] <gordonjcp> I'm trying to work that out[23:17:47] <puckipedia> Audacity, 44.something kHz, maybe[23:18:11] <scanty> hold on i'll try a "wav" that I got from beatport.[23:18:55] <scanty> nope doesn't work either.[23:18:57] *** [Beta] is now known as johndrinkwater[23:19:18] <puckipedia> Could it corrupt the wav on Haiku?[23:19:33] <puckipedia> Does someone have a working wav with download url?[23:19:55] <gordonjcp> two secs[23:22:12] *** MatthewH12` has joined #haiku[23:22:16] <gordonjcp> http://gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/hilow.wav[23:23:01] *** MatthewH12 has quit IRC[23:23:22] <scanty> hrm, i just opened it in a hexeditor, and there's no riff/wave header[23:23:27] <gordonjcp> scanty: nope[23:23:39] <gordonjcp> scanty: does that link I post give you anything like a valid .wav file?[23:23:50] *** teodorab1 has quit IRC[23:24:21] <scanty> yes that works fine[23:24:32] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:24:40] <scanty> and it has riff/wave header[23:27:05] *** bigbluehat has quit IRC[23:27:09] *** 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