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[00:21:08] <HaikuUser> helo haiku os
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[00:31:12] <KapiX> hi
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[00:31:28] <KapiX> is anyone running haiku in virtualbox?
[00:31:38] <KapiX> anyone here*
[00:32:04] <HaikuUser> i em runing in wmvare
[00:32:08] <mmu_man> vbox here
[00:32:11] <mmu_man> works fine :)
[00:32:25] <HaikuUser> sound not working
[00:32:34] <KapiX> well, I still have a problem with cloning main haiku repo
[00:32:58] <KapiX> I just found a bug report on trac about KDL on git clone
[00:33:07] <KapiX> it's marked as fixed
[00:33:36] <KapiX> I want to know if my problem is reproducible on other machines
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[00:35:42] <KapiX> mmu_man, could you try cloning haiku repo on your machine?
[00:36:23] <KapiX> I am running latest nightly
[00:36:36] <KapiX> hrev46860
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[00:43:10] <mmu_man> hmm it's my dev VM
[00:43:23] <mmu_man> I already have it clone for years in :p
[00:44:43] <KapiX> but maybe recent updates introduced a problem
[00:45:03] <KapiX> always when it freezes ProcessController shows 100% CPU usage
[00:45:33] <mmu_man> hmm sure it's nothing to do with the libpcre changes?
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[00:46:12] <KapiX> I don't know
[00:46:26] <KapiX> but it just occurred to me, that I should check earlier hrevs first
[00:46:30] <KapiX> ;)
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[00:49:43] <hamishm> have you tried choosing a different network interface card for the vm?
[00:50:11] <KapiX> no
[00:50:17] <KapiX> which one should I choose?
[00:50:57] <hamishm> The intel one works OK for me
[00:51:01] <hamishm> not sure if that will fix your problem of course
[00:51:30] <mmu_man> KapiX: checked syslog ?
[00:55:19] <KapiX> no
[00:55:29] <KapiX> now I'm looking at it
[00:55:51] <KapiX> last thing it reported is something about BFS
[01:04:51] <KapiX> hamishm: changing network interface card worked! Thanks! :)
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[01:07:09] <mmu_man> something about invalid symlink maybe ? not importnat
[01:07:12] <mmu_man> zz
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[03:19:36] <KapiX> I have hit another problem, this time when building haiku. Downloading {glu,libpng}_devel packages fails with "Operation would block" message.
[03:19:44] <KapiX> Any ideas why it happens?
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[04:20:11] <drcouzelis> I'm working on writing my first PackageInfo file but Haiku won't load my package. :( What can I do to start debugging the problem?
[04:21:04] <drcouzelis> The "package create -v -C FallLeaves fallleaves-0.1-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg" command returns "successfully created package"...
[04:21:53] <drcouzelis> ...but when I put it in my "packages" directory nothing happens.
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[04:52:23] <drcouzelis> OK, I was able to get my first package to work. I had to reboot, delete the package, re-add the package, do a little dance, reboot again, and Haiku registered it. :-/
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[05:34:59] <AlienSoldier> anyone running haiku on a P3 600Mz or less?
[05:38:49] <umccullough> not for a long time :)
[05:39:41] <AlienSoldier> i found something weird with webpositive at that "power"
[05:40:19] <AlienSoldier> it does not start
[05:41:27] <AlienSoldier> i don't have enough machine to know if it is horse power related but it look like it to me
[05:41:41] <umccullough> ram?
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[05:42:04] <AlienSoldier> i don't think so, 512M
[05:42:11] <umccullough> that's pretty pitiful
[05:42:20] <umccullough> webkit is not lightweight :(
[05:42:36] <umccullough> did you try running it from a terminal?
[05:42:38] <AlienSoldier> well, firefox used to boot on it
[05:42:48] <umccullough> heh, that's from a decade ago
[05:42:55] <AlienSoldier> it start but is say blablabla need to terminate
[05:43:02] <umccullough> it doesn't tell you why?
[05:43:10] <AlienSoldier> encountered an error
[05:43:16] <umccullough> did you debug it?
[05:43:25] <umccullough> you need at least to know what the failure was
[05:44:00] <AlienSoldier> i am not good with debugers
[05:44:10] <umccullough> just need to know what the error was
[05:44:21] <AlienSoldier> it does not kdl
[05:44:28] <umccullough> debugger will tell you
[05:44:40] <AlienSoldier> i saved the debug info
[05:44:42] <umccullough> doesn't it give you an option to debug or show the error?
[05:44:54] <umccullough> ok, so in the debug info, there will be a line telling you what the failure was
[05:45:04] <AlienSoldier> when the debuger loaded it was dysplaying almost nothing
[05:45:48] <umccullough> i'm guessing the "debug info" you're referring to is the generated report
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[05:46:55] <umccullough> see where it says: state: Exception (Segment violation)
[05:46:57] <umccullough> that's the error
[05:48:09] <umccullough> yours might say something else
[05:48:28] <AlienSoldier> yep
[05:49:15] <AlienSoldier> state: Exception (invalid opcade exception)
[05:49:25] <AlienSoldier> *opcode
[05:49:35] <umccullough> ok, that means it's trying to run an opcode that your processor doesn't support
[05:49:46] <umccullough> which means it's probably requiring a newer processor
[05:49:55] <AlienSoldier> same harddrive work well on the P4
[05:49:59] <umccullough> right
[05:50:09] <umccullough> pentium4 has SSE, which pentium3 probably doesn't
[05:50:17] <umccullough> likely when it was compiled, that wasn't disabled
[05:50:28] <umccullough> it's something pulkomandy needs to fix
[05:50:40] <AlienSoldier> ok, that make sense
[05:50:48] <umccullough> pretty sure someone else ran into it recently
[05:50:51] <AlienSoldier> known to him?
[05:51:25] <umccullough> already known
[05:51:35] <umccullough> you can add yourself as cc there
[05:52:05] <AlienSoldier> great, thank you
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[07:06:00] <Premislaus> hey
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[07:53:53] <KapiX> where can I specify path to source files in Debugger?
[07:58:35] <PulkoMandy> click on the "file not found" message
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[08:00:35] <KapiX> do you mean "Source file unavailable"? Nothing happens
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[08:04:59] <KapiX> ok, got it
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[08:42:09] <stargater> moin
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[09:01:24] <KapiX> If I make one line change in a file should I update the copyright? What is the protocol here?
[09:04:15] <PulkoMandy> update the copyright date to 2014, yes
[09:04:32] <PulkoMandy> and, it's up to you, you can claim copyright for your changes, or assign them to Haiku, Inc.
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[09:08:25] <arfonzo> morning Haiku friends
[09:08:39] <arfonzo> I have a unreasonable question
[09:08:53] <arfonzo> has anyone ever tried to install a nightly on a DL380?
[09:10:24] <PulkoMandy> sounds like an unreasonabme machine indeed :)
[09:11:07] <PulkoMandy> I think we still don't have an SCSI driver?
[09:12:06] <arfonzo> ah, true
[09:12:30] <arfonzo> yeah PulkoMandy, I just purchased a DL380 g6. Although I'm pretty sure Haiku won't run, I was wondering if anyone had tried it.
[09:12:45] <PulkoMandy> I don't see what would prevent it from running
[09:13:16] <arfonzo> well, I guess there will be only one way to find out.
[09:13:44] <arfonzo> It should be delivered tomorrow, but probably I won't have time to test it for a few weeks. Let's see what 52GB RAM can do in Haiku, heh.
[09:13:58] <PulkoMandy> :)
[09:14:20] <PulkoMandy> you know we're looking for a webkit and cmake buildbot/testsuite runner?
[09:15:00] <arfonzo> haiku, or linux?
[09:15:07] <PulkoMandy> haiku
[09:15:16] <arfonzo> ok. When?
[09:15:41] <PulkoMandy> well there's no hurry with this - but it would help getting our WebKit changes upstreamed
[09:15:45] <arfonzo> (I likely won't be able to get this all working until a few weeks)
[09:15:50] <arfonzo> ok, your request has been noted :)
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[09:16:08] <arfonzo> I need to buy an acoustic dampening server rack, otherwise the missus will kill me.
[09:16:40] <arfonzo> I couldn't really run it without that, as it's going to be sitting in my new home.
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[09:17:57] <PulkoMandy> well, let us know if it runs Haiku, at least :)
[09:18:05] <PulkoMandy> and yes, these machines are usually not very silent
[09:18:22] <arfonzo> definitely. I'm itching to try that, even if it is just to confirm it works, then blat and reinstall linux or windows server on it.
[09:18:43] <arfonzo> that's an understatement, they sound like airplanes :|
[09:19:26] <PulkoMandy> well, I live next to an airport and right under the airplanes, so maybe I get used to that
[09:20:02] <arfonzo> oh dear! poor you... but that would be advantageous
[09:20:26] <arfonzo> if it means you can setup a rack in your bedroom and not hear it :D
[09:21:06] <arfonzo> ironically, the acoustic dampening rack will cost me more than the DL380 cost.
[09:23:13] <PulkoMandy> well, my homeserver is still that old laptop with broken fan - I still expect it to break, but it doesn't
[09:23:23] <PulkoMandy> so I just upgraded it from 1 to 4GB of RAM
[09:23:33] <arfonzo> you have a x60, right?
[09:25:28] <PulkoMandy> no, my main computer is an x200
[09:25:43] <PulkoMandy> the older one acting as a server is a Dell inspiron 1525
[09:25:52] <arfonzo> aaah, ok.
[09:26:04] <arfonzo> I gave my x200t to the missus, that's a nice laptop still
[09:26:14] <PulkoMandy> yes, works quite well
[09:26:30] <arfonzo> ok, well if you don't need your server to be "local" to you, I'll be very happy to build a server VM for you on the DL380
[09:26:36] <arfonzo> whenever that is in working order
[09:27:22] <PulkoMandy> well I'll keep mine around, but some online machine running Haiku would beuseful
[09:27:30] <PulkoMandy> I think the Netsuft guys could also use it
[09:27:53] <arfonzo> what kind of resources are we looking at? RAM and HDD
[09:27:56] <arfonzo> ideally
[09:28:31] <PulkoMandy> mh, no idea
[09:28:56] <arfonzo> er, let me say, bare minimum, because ideally I'd be able to spare 52GB but it's not happening, heh. I need to spin up a bunch of other VMs for other projects and "dev work" for work.
[09:29:27] <PulkoMandy> the webkit source tree would need something like 3GB HDD I think - and maybe 2 or 3GB RAM
[09:29:34] <arfonzo> what kind of RAM do the current build environments have? like the buildbots we currently have
[09:30:07] <arfonzo> ok, in my mind I'd be happy aiming to give 8-16GB for Haiku projects.
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[09:31:02] <PulkoMandy> sounds great
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[09:31:38] <arfonzo> if it saves us half the time waiting to compile, I think the devs would be in a much better position to get stuff done, rather than waiting for compiles.
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[09:34:13] <arfonzo> anything we (as in community members) can do/donate to the cause, I think is the minimum we can do. I appreciate all the hard work the real haiku devs do. Seems like I do nothing in comparison to you lot. :)
[09:35:40] <PulkoMandy> well, I'm working full-time on it, so I'm cheating :p
[09:36:12] <arfonzo> I couldn't vouch for anyone better than yourself to have a contract on that. You are "the guy". :D
[09:36:56] <PulkoMandy> otherwise, it's really each of us doing a small part of the work - so your own part is obviously much smaller than the sum of everyone else's work, but it's still helping
[09:37:51] <stargate1> PulkoMandy: works thr <canvas> in web+
[09:38:00] <stargate1> thr = the
[09:38:09] <arfonzo> meh, indeed, tho sometimes it feels like I'm not doing enough. I think waddlesplash asked me to do an updated Qt build with gcc4 and I haven't even managed to do that
[09:38:35] <PulkoMandy> stargate1: canvas is the part that needs most app_server upgrades currently (the new compositing drawing modes)
[09:38:46] <stargate1> ok
[09:38:52] <arfonzo> the house purchase and move has kept me so busy! Hopefully it'll be over soon. Upcoming monday is moving day, then it's just settling in, getting setup and getting back into Haiku!
[09:39:22] <PulkoMandy> I'm trying to fix the issues introduced with the clipping changes with plain web pages, and doing a release, before I move on to more new features
[09:40:13] <PulkoMandy> arfonzo: I still can't spend as much time as I'd like on Haiku, anyway - so much other sideprojects going on :)
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[18:44:53] <oxoocoffee> Any one running x86gcc2hybrid under Mac OS X / Parallels 9? haiku-nightly-hrev46885-x86gcc2hybrid-cd.tar.xz (ISO) hangs on 4 icon while booting
[18:47:07] <oxoocoffee> 16 RAM Video, 512MB RAM, 8G HD, 1 CPU
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[20:56:10] <jmayfield> 1999
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[20:58:37] <irker-650> 9046835: Patch by Ingo Weinhold: fix stack alignment on x86.
[21:00:04] <puckipedia> 2014
[21:00:12] <umccullough> party like it's?
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[21:04:05] <jmayfield> heh.. hi all
[21:04:12] <umccullough> been a while?
[21:04:17] <jmayfield> yep
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[21:15:02] <Anarchos> hi jmayfield
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[21:35:49] <qbit> halla
[21:36:14] <qbit> is there a way to upgrade from alpha4 to nightlies?
[21:37:35] <Anarchos> no you have to install over
[21:37:46] <qbit> drat
[21:39:07] <qbit> can I build from the source and install to a running system?
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[21:39:30] <Anarchos> qbit i think no because of the new directory layout
[21:40:03] <qbit> k
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[21:42:06] <qbit> poopie
[21:43:41] <Plazma> so whawt is the stability of the current nightly image(s) (as of today) .. pretty good/better than months ago when they first input package managment?
[21:44:20] <Skipp_OSX> Plazma, well, there have been a bunch of fixes
[21:44:37] <Plazma> that's kinda what i was trying t oask i guess :)
[21:44:53] <Plazma> i just remember when that first got introduced, a lot of stuff broke, other packages i had didn't install at all.. and i ran out of time to tinker
[21:45:47] <Skipp_OSX> Plazma, well, some stuff that didn't work before will work, more packages has been added, more packages still need to be added.
[21:46:12] <PulkoMandy> it's getting better, but there's a reason we didn't do a release yet
[21:46:13] <Plazma> good to hear
[21:46:22] <Plazma> that's all one can really expect ;)
[21:46:31] <Skipp_OSX> and some stuff that was broken will never work
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[23:07:43] <irker-650> bb322d3: BMenuField: Draw everything on resize
[23:07:44] <irker-650> 1e35b8f: PackageInstaller: Handle aborting the file panel
[23:07:44] <irker-650> 51f3488: PackageInstaller: More robust way to select destination...
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[23:38:30] <irker-650> 1b38c34: mips: Remove mips
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